NEW GROUP!!! "FriendFeed Petition" http://friendfeed.com/friendf... What's gonna happen to our community, data and favorite features now that Facebook has acquired FriendFeed? Sign this petition to get FriendFeed management to speak up, NOW!
http://friendfeed.com/friendf... Sign it, party people!!! Subscribe to the group, leave your own INDIVIDUAL post about why this has upset you and why you want answers NOW!
- Brad Williamson
No. Sorry. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that FF is perfectly aware of the issues already, given the 18,000 posts from FriendFeed users which basically say the same thing. Anything they can say has already been said.
- Ian Betteridge
signed. What will happen with all of the pushing / pulling of the multiple other social networks and sites that friendfeed currently supports?
- Vinny
Plus, not a chance in the world that I would sign this as you've spammed it to many completely irrelevant groups.
- Ian Betteridge
My question will not get an answer but signed anyway
- M F
Well, sorry Brad, but I block spammers. Just because you think it's important enough to spam every group you can think of doesn't mean you're right. It's a completely selfish attitude, and I resent it. Sorry, but bye.
- Ian Betteridge
Maybe I'm just not very informed.. but what's the validity of a petition? As in, does a certain number of signatures entitle the people to their view? Or is it just sorta saying "Yea, we all agree.. see?" and hoping people listen?
- Angelo Rodrigues
It's just a stupid reason to start a new group ;-) Nah... It's really a place where we can all gather in common agreement about something that really sucks hard. And maybe it'll get the FF management to stop partying for a minute and tend to the people who really want some answers.
- Brad Williamson
Do Friendfeed users stand at risk of losing all the bookmarks, notes and other data they have collected and stored on Friendfeed over a year and longer?
- Sean McBride
Losing all of one's Friendfeed data would be disturbing. Facebook and Friendfeed should issue an official statement on this question as soon as possible.
- Sean McBride
I don't know how useful it will be, but I am here too
- Flavio
Included in that data is our subscribers and friends we might lose. If there's one thing that carries over, our network of connections absolutely must remain.
- Brad Williamson
still not sure about all this but that picture is amazing!
- james gray king
Speaking of FF feedback, this ridiculous cross-post should be exhibit #1 about why we need to be able to hide individual posts when browsing groups/rooms.
- Andrew C
+1 to Brad. I like large crossposting. Brad is announcing possible new groups you can visit. It is good. Nobody is forced to go there. As to petition issue, Im sure FF team already reads it and is aware. http://friendfeed.com/petrnews
- Petr Buben
And here is the response I left to Paul's statement... There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece...
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- Brad Williamson
Such a horrifying picture... Why am I getting Service Unavailable on this??
- Kamilah Gill
I may have missed it but who drew that picture?
- Benjamin Taylor
Keep this the hell out of the twitter room, thanks. Not commenting in any way on the cause, just your spammy blasting of it around.
- Brad McCrorey
Ha! Don't you know that "Brad's" aren't supposed to hate on other "Brad's?"
- Brad Williamson
Not hating on you, just your methods. I'm not an Apple Room admin, but I'd delete it out of here too if I were.
- Brad McCrorey
Turning yourself into a spammer isn't going to help your cause, or any other. Quite the opposite.
- Brad McCrorey
sign all the petitions you want it will not change a mulit-million dollar deal no matter how many you get. Don't get me wrong but these guys are living the American dream. It sucks to us because we all loved the idea of a community of like minded people, but at the end of the day no one owned this site but the owners. We may bitch but get real, there decision is signed. Move forward and...
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- Lokei Atikus™®
signed. but i don't think this petition or any others (including facebook pages/causes) that crop up in the ensuing days are going to make an iota of difference to what has already happened.
- Vijay
My guess is that FB will keep FF the way it is due to the fact that FB and FF operate in completely different realms...with FB adopting some of the FF technology to enhance the FB realm. That said, what FB now needs to make very clear is a commitment to keep FF the way it is. Although probably unintended, the acquisition announcement is having a chilling effect upon third party FF developers, most notably Seesmic, due to the uncertainty of the whole thing.
- Stephen M. Otto
Pros on the "Facefeed": actually may keep friend feed alive. Anyone know how they make money. May improve Facebook integration (<1% of my facebook friends are on friendfeed...no I don't live under a rock...just in the MIdwest). May actually improve FF function. I found a learning curve that I had to get over to make it effective. Took me 2-3 goes at trying to commit to the platform....
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- Carey Lumeng
My biggest concern is that the deal was established in an effort to not bring our community sharing features over to Facebook, but to simply give them access to FriendFeed's real-time search engine.
- Brad Williamson
Can't you simply import your Friendfeeds data via RSS? Just a thought...
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
We now have a hundred Likes on this entry and 94 subscribers to the FriendFeed Petition group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... . I think if we break the 150 mark on each of these, FriendFeed will DEFINITELY void Facebook's acquisition of them. Yup, I couldn't be more confident that that's what will happen. Done deal, dudes... done deal ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Yes... Santa Claus, Batman and Spider-Man will tear up the deal documents themselves! ;)
- Bill Sodeman
This looks like Lode Runner tripping out on acid
- Josh Haley
Is there any other way to play Lode Runner?
- Mo Kargas
Apparently not. ha ha ha! Reminds me of when I tried playing the old DOS version on a new 286 and the speed was way too fast. Computers are silly.
- Josh Haley
Can't. Stop. Watching. THE 11TH DIMENSION STRIKES AGAIN! I'll be the guy just hanging out on the bottom right area shaking bac kkand forth.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
You can now choose which of your services you want displayed on your profile page. The option is available at the bottom your services page at https://friendfeed.com/account.... (We will otherwise select five icons to show automatically.)
Uh, bug. Nasty bug. I can't see some of my services, the box is taller than my screen. You should columnize them or make the list scrollable or something.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I wish we could choose more than five. :-(
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
Yep, only five for now. We have gotten lots of feedback that the icons became useless when there were too many because you couldn't find the useful profile pages within the countless imported feeds. This lets you choose the few that have the most relevant profile info, but keeps the icon explosion from happening.
- Bret Taylor
Again. This is the same issue we had with the Rooms dialogue in the old interface. Didn't anyone check this first? What freakin resolution do the FF devs run at, anyway? LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah, I'm 99.7% sure they use portrait mode on their monitors.
- AJ Batac
You'll take your five icons...and you'll like it! Thanks for the new feature.
- Mark Krynsky
Chris Charabaruk: some of us on macbook pros and other machines don't use scroll wheels. i agree with others that the truncation bug needs to be fixed. and, only five choices defeats the purpose of adding any more. some of us already have more services set up are used to seeing them. don't limit everybody in the process of simplifying it for a few, if it can be helped. thanks.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Bret, Casey, thank you for this. Can you either make the list of services on the new screen either scrollable or in a smaller dialog box with a scroll bar? There's a bug that if you have a lot of services you cannot see the bottom of the list. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Love this, but can't use it because I use too many services. I can't scroll down the list.
- Thomas Hawk
A vertical screensize of 1200 pixels fixes mine. Your mileage may vary. I chose more than 5 services and let FriendFeed pick, presumably the way it can, had i chose less than 5.
- John Lam
Ok, I logged on on a PC and used the ctl scroll wheel trick and it worked.
- Thomas Hawk
great! I only want to show the most important feeds in my profile; and not clutter my profile with too many feeds that I include
- Jeroen De Miranda
Any word on the Iphone FF web? Or any news of an app? I can't see "my" discussions on the Iphone web version.
- orionstarr
That's a simple but crucial feature, in my estimation. But if I had to be fussy (which I usually am), the option to (re)order them would be also be good.
- Wayne Smallman
agree with wayne. I'd like to draw more attention to my blog, and less to my twitter ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good that we can choose, thanks. Don't really understand why only 5 though. I don't have "countless imported feeds"; I have 15, which does not seem "too much to look at" to me.
- Neil Saunders
Now if we could just select the order they display in - a' la Google Profile. Speaking of Google Profile... is FF planning on adding that to the list of services?
- Alexander Grundner
We have separated Groups (the new name for "Rooms") into its own section, and we have renamed "filters" to "Saved searches" to make things simpler/clearer. Saved searches have simper URLs that can be shared, and friend list operations have all been added/cleaned up.
- Bret Taylor
Our primary goal was making Groups more useful again. The friend search / group search functionality is now separate and much easier to use.
- Bret Taylor
Thank you I love the new navigation.
- Russ Jackson
We have also added Atom feeds, Block, and a number of other small missing components.
- Bret Taylor
Organization is a good thing. Thanks and keep it coming. The subtle stuff will come. Color customization, etc. I think the main think is make it look dead easy, with the advanced user stuff just a little symbol or click away...
- kilbuda
i like being able to statically set the groups it shows me on the side now.
- rob friedman
Very cool. Much simpler. Any chance of being able to rearrange the blocks a la iGoogle in the future? Saved Searches were mighty convenient up at the top.
- Mark Trapp
Yes, rearranging and theming are both things we would like to do.
- Bret Taylor
@Rob, you still can set the groups that show up by clicking on "prefs" in the orange bar.
- Ana
Where did the create feed/imaginary friend substitute function go?
- Brian Sullivan
@Ana, I just said I liked it. :) I didn't see the ability to change what was shown there prior to this change. It just seemed like a random sampling of the groups I'm on before.
- rob friedman
Excellent. Very glad to see the "Browse/edit friends" link. I look forward to being able to rearrange to put my saved searches at the top.
- Elizabeth
Nice, but I use filters (well, now saved searches) more than I do my friend lists. Personally I prefer it the way it was, although I'd be happy just to have filters bumped up some (I got a _lot_ of lists to scroll past).
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Brian, I dont think the imaginary friend stuff is in the beta interface yet, I had to use the old UI to add a few yesterday.
- rob friedman
I like the new separation much more than old layout. Being able to rearrange placement of these blocks would be nice but not essential.
- Boris Gordon
Better, but you really gotta do something about that color scheme.
- mike fabio
Great work! Would be really nice to get the last modified time back next to the title of the groups. That saved me a lot of unnecessary clicks in the non-beta version.
- Christoph Studer
rob friendman -- I am talking about the create a feed function that allowed you to create the equivalent of imaginary friends.
- Brian Sullivan
I still think that the "My discussions" link under Friends should really be "My likes and comments", since there are some posts in that feed that are just ones I "liked" and have 0 comments, from me or anyone else. Would you call a post with no comments a "discussion"?
- Nathan Chase
Nathan: you are right, those should probably not be in that feed.
- Bret Taylor
We are still working out imaginary friends functionality. It is on our radar.
- Bret Taylor
Still wish there was a way to hide the top and side bars for use in a widget style browser window. Till then there's always greasemonkey http://is.gd/rBrh
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Thanks, Bret. You guys -- FF team and product -- are awesome!
- Eric Johnson
Thank you Thank you Thank you! Loving the beta and the FFteam's responsiveness
- Keith - @tsudo
Why is this showing up in my timeline? It says because one of the people I'm subscribed to Liked it. I'm not a member of the room and I'm not subscribed to the original poster (Sorry Bret!) But I swear I've turned off FoaF every day and this keeps happening.
- Paul Reynolds
Its enuf,men,give me more updated info plz.
- kelvin
from IM
We have more consistent terminology now; good. Now can we have more sophisticated feed-composition tools? How about one-touch "create group from saved search"? And how about fixing the "private group - standard FEED - public group" inconsistency?
- Karl Knechtel
I don't think we need full skinning capabilities - just a colour chooser for each coloured element. Also, the prefs link for Groups is a bit ugly. I don't like magically appearing links.
- Karl Knechtel
@patrick: every element of the beta UI should have a beta URL already. Any links that you click in posts are whatever URL is actually specified in the post.
- Karl Knechtel
Bret, this is great news. I'll leave the cosmetics to better people. I like things as is :)
- Deepak Singh
@Paul Reynolds: FoaF can be turned off?
- Karl Knechtel
We just pushed a fix for IE 7/8. If you were using IE, you should refresh. Sorry for the problems.
- Bret Taylor
I love it - especially the filters at the bottom (I use Lists, more often). That said, I like Kishore's suggestion -> let us choose the ordering of the boxes.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Very good improvement, but would like to have another box of favorite friends. I wouldn't mind if I could set this up like the groups box, or if it would just remember who I clicked on the most.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Simpler... When is the mobile version coming out?
- Brian Kenyon
I would really appreciate if we could drag and drop items and boxes. I want to order all this.
- Stanislas Jourdan
While the new sidebar order is good, I'm having fun getting rid of two saved searches which only bring up an "edit new filter/search page. It'd be nice to have some way to edit/delete searches, like with the groups and friends boxes. Still waiting for someone to give me a tip on how to remove those two links from the list otherwise.
- George Hall (Australia)
George: Click the "Saved Searches" title, then select the feed from the left-hand side, then click Delete.
- Karl Knechtel
like it! only thing i don't like is that i have to scroll down everytime i wanna see my saves searches now...
- Peter Efland
Peter, yep to me that's in completely the wrong place. It's the second most important new feature on FF (behind real-time) and it's now "hidden" at the bottom. I have a large list of Groups and means big scroll down to the Saved Searches, which I use a LOT. Please either return them back to the second tab down or give us the option to select what sidebars we have and what order they appear on the bar?
- Kol Tregaskes
Bret, this is great, especially being able to see all of my groups. But I agree with just about everyone else, I'd prefer to have my saved searches above groups. There is still enough room to add subscriptions as well . . . maybe??
- Chris Loft
Nice change. Please sort out the color palette next :-)
- Alex Gawley
I like it, although the name filter was better, I think. Besides putting the Searches under Friends, it would be good if the Groups would change order in relation to recent activity, like it used to be.
- Alejandro
I like the way things are separated, now. However, I too have a lot of lists to scroll past to get to groups and saved searches. It would be nice to move the saved searches and groups above the lists. Definitely loving the beta, though!
- Seth Greenblatt
A number of feeds I set up are showing as Groups. Is that right? I set up a number of Twitter feeds (e.g. "Twitter - Al Yankovic") for nonFF Tweeters. It's a little confusing since now they're listed as a Group when their settings are "Standard Feed".
- CAJ, somewhere else
I guess feeds that aren't individuals are groups :-)
- Neil Saunders
separate groups section is good. now about labelling content sources rather than people... (would be nice to have this at least as an option: show user avatar OR show content source - then those of us who read by content are happy, and those who read by user are happy)
- Richard Akerman
Alejandro, I first thought I'd miss "filter" but actually prefer "saved searches" now. Well because they are, aren't they? Makes things easier to understand. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I use filters a lot and now on the HP Mini I have to scroll down the window to get to the next filter I want to check which then scrolls the page back up to the top after picking it. I have nine filters that I check probably once an hour. The page scrolling is tedious to go through. Is there a way you could move Filters up above Groups either manually or automatically based on most common use?
- Loren Heiny
Thank you! Navigating to groups/rooms was a pain.
- amygeek
Nice Job, I like it. It feels simpler and will be welcoming to new users.
- Poor Gamer
I also don't care for the name change at the top of the "Search results." The name of the search was better at least for how I use it. I can see the actual search criteria in the seach box. I don't need it in both places. Plus, when I'm clicking through a list of saved searches one at a time I often forget where I am in the list. The title helped me keep track.
- Loren Heiny
"Atom feeds" are not a "small missing components"!!! :) .. as on abay +++++AAAA+++AAAA for beta.FriendFeed
- CantorJF
Just noticed the new groups sidebar. Thank you!
- Carmen
Seems like the green box should be titled "Friend Lists" (in an actual Friends list, I'd expect to see Joe, Mary, Bob, etc. -- right now, there's a pretty big disconnect btw typical user expectations and what's appearing in that box). And maybe the browse/edit should then be titled "Browse/edit friend lists".
- Christopher Galtenberg
Even more unexpected is that when I click on Friends, I also see Groups. There should probably be another split, so we have Lists, Friends, and Groups. Bret, you guys are going to run out of colors soon! :)
- Daniel Sims
And would you *please* give us custom backgrounds and colors?
- Gaby K. Slezák
Karl: tried it, but it only brings up a new filter again. If one could edit one's "saved searches list by the NAME of the filter, it'd be easy to delete it. But your suggestion didn't bring up anything that could help me get rid of the two empty filters. Neither has a delete button.
- George Hall (Australia)
Karl:don't know whether my desktop wasn't showing the left-side bar, but late last night, I was looking at a list of my saved searches with the delete button active for all things in the list. Finally got rid of those two items that were only bringing up a search/filter page. That left-side bar with all listed searches is an elegant solution.
- George Hall (Australia)
Dont like it. No longer can get Twit Conversations to show up in Groups.. only in Home even if I add it to Groups!
- Greg
Ok, not just me seeing that. Nice job Kevin.
- Andrew Smith
Oh my. It's official, I'm old. Eeeeeniwayyyy... Glad to know it wasn't my mind going when I rolled over the logo.
- Andy Kruger
This has to be FriendFeed's best logo yet!
- Nicholas James
Wow! That is neat! I LOVE creative people! :-)
- Pat Graham Block
A very cool logo! Keep up the creative work!
- Sanne Buurma
Very cool logo you guys! :) Like Nicholas said, best and most creative one yet!
- vijay
How about change the color of entire background next time?
- Ray Chen
Gosh - ten years have passe me by - no one told me where to run . . .
- Chris Loft
Chris: those are Japanese characters, but yeah, I thought the original matrix logo had numbers, but might be wrong.
- Robert Scoble
@slayerboy - agree totally / "Show that you have no respect for those that built you, and you'll wonder why you were just a fad." lots of proof of that...
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
sorry - twhirl jumping around got my think in the wrong drink ... oops
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
The film used a combination of hiragana, numbers, Latin characters and some reversed characters. I opted to just go with hiragana for a specific reason... (Matrix screenshot here: http://thefuturebuzz.com/pics...)
- Kevin Fox
My 9-year old son has been asking to watch this with me and I really need to make the time for us to do that. This is one of my favorite movies of all time (and he is one of my favorite persons)
- Alan Cheslow
What a great movie. Always think about it when I get deja vu :)! Love the logo.
- Ruth Helfinstein
I can't believe it has been that long!
- Gary Stiehr
@Gary, I know! I was in high school when the first one came out.
- Brandon Mendelson
The coolest and I would have missed it if Jeremiah Owyang never made a post about the Best of Day content (I found it in the BoD), which included a filter from FFing Enigma (aka Tina) and finally brought this post to my attention. The lengths I will go to for good content!
- Michael Fidler
a) Was he trying to break his longest touchdown dive record? b) Was it something that worked during training sessions? c) Is he excessively stupid? d) All of the above
- Nenad Nikolic
#4 for those interested, great post Zee, the animated gif gave a feeling on that first FF beta day that was inexplicable, modern times type of feeling, that things were changing for the service in interaction gathering. 8}
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Twitter often goes down without warning. Twitter has been known to lose tweets, avatars and followers.
- Louis Gray
Twitter often foils developers with API limits and outages.
- Louis Gray
In contrast, FriendFeed practically never goes down.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed, if anything, errs by "over counting" your comments and likes, not undercounting.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed stores all your comments and images in a robust, searchable database.
- Louis Gray
I think FF has the realtime thing down... Twitter is still working out the bugs (now that's beta) ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
So while the FriendFeed team respects you by putting a beta on their newer interface, they are offering a high quality, stable, product where the data is safe. Twitter, on the other hand, could go down at any time, and take your data and metadata with it.
- Louis Gray
i vote we move friendfeed to mode delta - can i get a show of hands?
- Allen Stern
Louis: Totally correct. I really expect the behavior of twitter from a 6-12mo out of the gate startup. By three years old I would think that you have matured enough to AT LEAST be able to notify users of the current status. Twitter seems to think that if they don't post it, no one will notice or remember. wrong...Maybe some pointed ALL CAPS has helped this week...we'll see during the next outage
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The best thing about Twitter is its search engine. They didn't even make the search engine. They bought it. And they still haven't integrated it for all users.
- Louis Gray
To be fair, FriendFeed hasn't had the same kind of load demands that Twitter has had to accommodate.
- Mike Nayyar
In contrast, the FriendFeed team has a robust search engine from the people who helped make Google's search engine as strong as it is today.
- Louis Gray
Mike, FriendFeed does not have the load Twitter does. But at this point in its lifecycle, the traffic and users are comparable.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the only site I know that can turn outages into cult following. FF doesn't have or need a Fail Whale!
- Shane
Mike: Totally true, but twitter has been able to see the load demands coming for some time, AND they've had positions open in their techops department for over two months now. If they would bother to fill them, they would have the extra hands on deck necessary to deal with problems. (P.S. I applied and have not heard word one...)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Talking about the Fail Whale! I just got it. No lie. "Twitter is over capacity" Must be traffic from NCAA finals
- Shane
Love the cheeky "Here's why:" crosspost on this one, Louis :D
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF wished it had enough users to create the load issues that Twitter has to deal with.
- Erik K Veland
Twitter has to deal with SMS, does that count for anything?
- Mitch
I saw a fail whale tattoo once - wasn't sure what to make of it. I mean, you're clearly into twitter because of the tat, but does it make you a hip edgy tweeter to have a negative impression of twitter branded on your body? I hope that tattoo was a fake.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik: after a few more twitter days like today, with the new interface @ FF it will
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I can't help but think that Twitter is responsible for its own API problems. I'm glad that the API exists to enable powerful clients like TweetDeck but if Twitter would only internalize some of the more obvious awesome features they could really reduce the API load while optimizing some of the required indexing in-house.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik, that's probably true, but what we're discussing is the quality of service. Google scales without downtime. FriendFeed has scaled without downtime. Twitter has had any number of scaling issues we are all familiar with. Successful sites grow. Great sites grow smoothly.
- Louis Gray
Daniel: I disagree. Using the clients to produce constructs out of simple API should lead to lower system loads @ twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the whole beta labeling thing needs to go out the window. We live in a constant state of Beta on the web, so why use it?
- Brandon Mendelson
@Rob - if Twitter enabled FF-style filters you don't think they could save themselves the agony of ten billion people running Tweetdeck 24/7 just to keep up with various custom lists? Granted I haven't whiteboarded the whole thing just yet but it certainly seems to me like it would result in a lower net load.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
One other consideration for Twitter -- no site has had to change to suit to what its users' want to use the product for quite like them.
- Mitch
Mitch, I'm willing to give that point if you can back it up. Are you familiar with the changes that have occurred with FriendFeed over the same time period?
- Louis Gray
Daniel: I'm not sure how the filters implemented would save on the people running their clients 24/7? Filters, no matter where they're placed don't cause me to shut my client down. My tweetdeck runs about 20/7 ;) I sleep about 4 hours a night. I do shut it off then. otherwise it eats all my memory by the time I get up. (but maybe you are right...I just think dumping larger chunks of more compressed raw data to the clients and letting the clients process it is a better load scheme.)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What are you asking for? Proof that Friendfeed hasn't changed? Go through the FriendFeed-Feedback room and read all the suggestions from people about changes they'd like to see. Aside what was implemented in this beta (like DMs and profile blurbs), virtually nothing was changed for the entire life of the current UI of FriendFeed except for little tweaks that the FriendFeed team wanted like alt-text URL lengthening or "view this article in Digg" (or similar) in the dropdown. Just tweaks IMO.
- Mitch
FriendFeed had tonnes of backend changes though, as Bret's blog post illustrated quite well with the schema-less SQL storage.
- Mitch
How long have you been using the site, Mitch? I've been watching for 18 months, and the changes have been far more dramatic, in my opinion, than those from Twitter, which just does one thing, period, still.
- Louis Gray
Well since I snatched up my username I haven't stopped using it if that's any indication. I just see everything that's happened in the current incarnation of FF as things tweaked. The IM bot and FFNotifier were pleasant surprises along the way though. Props to the FriendFeed team for all they've done but the volume of things in the Feedback room unanswered shows more than you're counting it for I think Louis.
- Mitch
I do agree that Twitter is pretty stagnant Louis. I just thought you were being a little rough on it and wanted to play the devil's advocate as I curiously often find myself wanting to do when reading your work.
- Mitch
I wouldn't consider it "rough" as much as just counting up the many issues they have had, Mitch. I see the strain developers have first-hand in working with the site, and the parallel of their downtime with FriendFeed's revamp made it a good topic.
- Louis Gray
Good topic, agreed. Playing off of what's hot I suppose, I can't blame you.
- Mitch
Twitter has been driving me nuts lately, clicking on follow doesn't work sometimes, very slow, etc..
- Brian
@Mitch - if FF or Twitter indexes things in the same manner Google does (i.e. find every keyword and proactively index it before it's searched) then that's a flat amount of regular data processing that they can plan around. They don't have to actually send the results of your search offsite unless you come in and flip through your filters/lists to see what's happened since your last visit. An active external search might not be that efficient - it could be hammering the server with the same query
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...repeatedly, and then it's up to the server to recognize a repeated search. It's probably a good idea for the search engine to optimize to first store and then incrementally update repeated searches, but who knows if Twitter or FF is actually doing that.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Beta-lables have to go. It's the Web 2.0 equivalent of the Web 0.89a Under Construction gif. Look at Gmail, half a decade in beta! Ludicrous!
- Erik K Veland
We'll probably never find out details that specific re:search.
- Mitch
Google released whitepapers exactly that specific that I read in grad school. If I had to guess which current social networking company would follow in their footsteps on that naturally I'd say FF, not Twitter.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm trying hard to find the whitepaper that I read way back when but it's been 4-5 years and there's a lot of cruft that's popped up in the meantime. I'll be sure and DM you if I can find it, Mitch.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Sounds good. Too bad Google Docs wasn't around back then. I love storing all my PDFs there.
- Mitch
@Mitch - This isn't as academic as the paper I read but it's still a pretty exhaustive treatment of Google's page crawling and indexing. I hope it will do for now. http://www.scribd.com/doc... I imagine people aren't quite as likely to home in on the search aspect of current-gen services that do more than just search, so who knows when we'll see academics tackling FF/Twitter search...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Louis, not only has twitter been stagnant the last 18 months, they've actively _removed_ features.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, you say that like it's a bad thing.
- Erik K Veland
Judging from Twitter's /actions/ or /output/ as opposed to its PR, yes, it's still in testing. In fact, they have the freedom to tweak it incessantly because they haven't come up with a business plan.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Well, it's bad when you're using that feature and it seems to be key to using the site effectively. I used to use the IM integration on twitter a lot, since the order things came in made them easy to read and follow the threads of conversation. That's impossible with the regular twitter UI, and IM doesn't exist anymore.
- Andy Bakun
@Louis Comparable users and load? Come on....;) When Kevin Rose tweets to 400k people and 50k respond with an @ message, that type of load is something FriendFeed hasn't even sniffed yet.
- drew olanoff
Louis meant that FF is keeping up with Twitter at the same relative ages, i.e. FF has as much traffic at X months as Twitter did a year (two?) ago.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Drew, it is something Gmail has sniffed though
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Gmail was in private beta for some time, and then was invite only (in a very controlled manner) for sometime after that. Plus, usage spikes that "realtimeweb" services see such as sporting events and natural disasters cannot be replicated in an email setting.
- drew olanoff
Twitter's never worked properly, the end :-)
- Richard A.
I hate to say it but Twitter often feels more like someone's hobby than a business.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
Even a hobby would output a labor of love.
- Andy Bakun
I've never loved too much twitter, but now that all the "big names" - in US especially - are pushing friendfeed against it, I'm beginning to appreciate Twitter more than ever. :-P
- Markingegno - Donato