What's retarded is that I thought MTV2 came about because they realized MTV1 was sucking ass and going in a different direction. Seems like they forgot why they made a second channel
- Rahsheen the Dream
Some days when I think back to how good MTV was and how crap it is now, it really gets me a bit verklempt. My high school and college years were heavily influenced by early 90's MTV...*sigh* Miss.
- Hookuh Tinypants
MTV India sucks worse. We've got crummier reality shows. They don't play much good music, only recent bollywood crap. VH1 India is okay, 40% music and rest reality shit. And we don't get MTV2.
- Parth Awasthi
I used to watch MTV when I was a kid all the time, when there *was* music.
- Kol Tregaskes
That's being overly generous towards "music"
- Josh Haley
Imagine the 'psycho-chick' factor that must have existed back then....damn, no wonder Michael J Fox pimped out that DeLorean...he wanted to get some of that Hot Suburban Looks Like Mom stank on his hang low.
- Morgan
"Written by Amit Agarwal on February 24, 2009 Text Size beethovenVirgil Griffith, popularly known for the Wikipedia Scanner that detects where the Wikipedia edits are coming from, maintains another very interesting project that maps musical tastes of college students with their intelligences levels (determined by their SAT score). The x-axis represent the SAT score while the colored boxes indicate the music genre and the artist / composer. Fans of Lil Wayne’s music scored the lowest in SAT while listeners of Beethoven’s work were among the highest scorers. The full chart is available at Music That Makes You Dumb. To come up with this chart, Virgil used Facebook to determine the "Favorite music" at different colleges in US and then combined it with the average combined SAT scores of students from these colleges. He has done a similar exercise for books as well.
- Cee Bee
from Bookmarklet
counting crows though? it's like that? ha
- Cee Bee
I wish the list was bigger or more diverse. I'm surprised by Jazz. Also that some of the list is specific to an artist (i.e. Beck) and others are an entire genre (rap). Where would your favorite musicians fall?
- JoEllen
LOL. Yeah, how did they manage to separate rap and hip-hop?
- Victor Ganata
This is retarded. I got a 1370 on my SAT's an listen to a variety of stuff across this chart.Besides the fact that I don't think SAT scores are a good indicator of intelligence.
- Rahsheen the Dream
ahhahah I can't get over Counting Crows being so far to the smart side.
- Carmen
Heh, I guess ALL smart Black people are outliers huh?
- Shey
@Christopher I'm just ticked that someone would come up with something so blatantly full of prejudice.
- Shey
There is data here that's probably useful for something, but the test is whether or not you're dumb enough to think that the title is even close to accurate.
- Richard Lawler
Apparently people who score >1400 don't listen to music at all? So listening to *any* music makes you dumb!
- Victor Ganata
I'd assume there aren't (any/enough?) colleges with an average SAT score of 1400.
- Richard Lawler
+2 Shey. I guess Jazz is for dummies? But Jay-Z is "smarter" LMFAO ...
- Amani
In other words, this study doesn't measure what it says it measures.
- Victor Ganata
I bet that if you actually did this study properly, by obtaining individual SAT scores and weighing each individual's favorite music, this graph would look entirely different. Of course, it still wouldn't mean that SAT scores actually measure intelligence.
- Victor Ganata
This Virgil guy went to my high school (a few years after me) and he's a smart cookie. Before lambasting the article I recommend you skip straight to his analysis - it's grounded in reality. http://www.virgil.gr/44 It's well known that white students historically perform better on US standardized tests, and no one honestly believes that means they are innately smarter. There is simply some lingering cultural bias in the construction of the tests as well as in our education system.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"Do people with SAT >= 1400 just not listen to music? No, they do listen to music -- just look at those high-tier school's facebook profiles! *Averages* are being plotted. So even though high-scoring schoools are included in this average, the average is pulled down by the less selective schools."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"Counting Crows is an usual one near the top of the list. However, when UPenn Princeton, Duke, Williams, and Upenn make up ~20% of the weight you'd expect a high score." Counting Crows is from Berkeley, so it's understandable that they'd easily relate to students at top-tier schools.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Also realize that the guy is doing his best to extrapolate this information without having access to individual's preferences or test scores. (Methodology here: http://booksthatmakeyoudumb.virgil.gr/) Multiplying one aggregated top 10 list of favorites against another averaged standardized test score and then weighting them by population against similar numbers from other schools is...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
But why bother doing it if it won't reflect reality at all? There's no need to talk about correlation ≠ causation when you haven't even established correlation properly.
- Victor Ganata
I scored a 1300 on my SATs, and I enjoy plenty of the music in the 1000 range. I think this study is more of a correlation than casuation. Lower SAT scores --> Poorer quality education --> Lower economic standing --> differing tastes in music.
- Mike Nayyar
Victor - I imagine the author is doing this for the impish self-satisfaction of seeing the reaction generated by the chart. This also gets him some national press, something he seems to have been generating every year or two (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) for most of the decade. At this point I imagine that he's doing it on purpose and has a goal that involves being semi-famous on the internets and in tech academia.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
He's doing it to get attention, hence the name.
- Richard Lawler
Exactly, Richard. He's gotten pretty good at that and he seems to be enjoying himself enough to keep it up with new "discoveries" every so often.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
But it's not even correlation. As Daniel notes, you're measuring aggregates against averages. The data. It means nothing!
- Victor Ganata
Daniel, LOL. I imagine you're right. Why do I always get duped into thinking people actually care about anything vaguely resembling the truth?
- Victor Ganata
I'm curious about the process and schools used. Not too many "young "people listen to the music with the higher scores... Seeing Jazz so low is hurtful too. Did they mean smooth jazz or Bebop?
- Anthony Farrior
“Soca” isn’t a band. It’s a form of music from the West Indies. More importantly, soca is from an area that leans toward Great Britain and Europe. Listeners of this music usually speak more than one language so I find it funny to believe they aren’t as intelligent b/c they score low on American tests…
- Anthony Farrior
Anthony - Notice that all of the genres are between 800 and 1000. All that tells us is that the subset of colleges with Facebook pages and publicized SAT scores average out to ~900 on the SAT. Virgil points out in the FAQ that not all schools have listed Facebook pages or published SAT scores. You can imagine that schools would self-select out of those pools for various reasons.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
re: jazz/ soca--Doesn't this chart simply indicate that listeners of these 2 genres don't frequent FaceBook? or do I really need to 'wise-up' and put away my MIles Davis records and listen to Blink 182/ Ludacris. FAIL!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yeah, it would be nice if—like a "real scientist" (to use his own words)—he would list the reasons why this methodology doesn't work very well, but that's probably asking too much.
- Victor Ganata
I'm not an expert on raw data integrity but maybe the Non-US genres should've been omitted...
- Anthony Farrior
Cool, so if I had ever taken my SAT, I would have scored high. :)
- Grant Bierman
While I'll gladly accept the label "outlier", sung to the tune of "Lowrider", I have some real problems with this study.
- Ha3rvey (parenthetically)
from fftogo
This so called "study" is basically crap, yes.
- ⓞnor
That map lost all credibility we me as soon as I saw it indicates that Counting Crows fans are among the smartest - I have no idea why but I dislike that band more than any that has ever existed...in all of time and space...of course I may just be an idiot
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
From what I hear Google already looks for 3.5s from "top tier" schools or something similar as their default hiring criteria. Woof.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Creativity seems more important than IQ for "old-school success" after IQ > 120. But what does it mean for "new-school happy-with-life fulfillment"? College GPA/SAT correlations http://gradeinflation.com GRE/SAT-IQ Estimator http://iqcomparisonsite.com/GREIQ... (e.g. snobby Mensa wants top 2% = IQ 130-132, 1995-2006SAT=1295-1320 1974-1994SAT=1250-1270 1932SAT=1190-1210) and yes the pre-1974 Mensa scale is messed up.
- Mitchell Tsai
Yeah... because people who listen to country are WAY smarter than people who listen to jazz or rock...
- Brandon Titus
SAT rescaling/recentering occurs often http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Current scores are 0-2400. Even on the old 1600 pt scale, when SAT recentered in April 1995, scores inflated ~80-120 pts (70-80 verbal, 10-40 math), which made them 1/3 as useful for us working Harvard admissions. http://professionals.collegeboard.com/data-re... P.S. Harvard has no minimum requirement - some people with 400s & 500s are admitted. I haven't seen any admissions with 300s, who knows?
- Mitchell Tsai
My guess is that people at smarter schools want to portray an image that they're smarter, thus they list only "smart" bands + genres on their Facebook. GW has a 1240 avg. SAT and the musical tastes here are definitely more to the lefthand side. FWIW, I really like Radiohead and Shins, though. Plus, Ben Folds played a show on campus last week.
- James O'Malley
I like Beyonce, Gospel, Hip Hop...also U2, Counting Crows, Bob Dylan, so I guess that makes me schizophrenic...both 900 and 1200. Interesting stories about musical talent/IQ abound. Some speculate that Mozart had extremely high musical talent with low IQ, thus the technical simplicity of his pieces. Others say that the most interesting music for people is the stuff which pushes their edge (thus, country music listeners are less intelligent). What a way to be controversial!
- Mitchell Tsai
Pop can be a road to financial/career success for musical talents. I love the texture of a lot of Debbie Gibson's songs (and many here have commented on my lack of musical taste... :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... She was a classical music prodigy when young, and I enjoy the multiple lines of melody/harmony/sounds in some of her pieces. I'm not much into boring basslines and thumping bass. My life is pretty good, so I often don't connect with pieces with too much anger/angst.
- Mitchell Tsai
I said this in Sarah's thread but my SAT scores isn't on the X axis and I listen to Weezy.
- Mona Nomura
There's some serious racial effects at play here. But Jazz?!?
- Dror Shimshowitz
Kang pretty much spells it out earlier. One of the things the SAT is good at measuring is your socioeconomic status. In the U.S., SES is tightly coupled to race. It looks like 1076 is roughly the line that splits white artists from artists of color. I guess the only thing up in the air is whether people are more likely to prefer (although not necessarily exclusively so) music performed and/or created by artists of similar ethnic/racial background. Then you've got your chain of causation.
- Victor Ganata
this is my ad too, if there's any nominate call me please :D
- TaaTaa
That's much better than mine, maybe I should reword it . . . . . . . . . . .Wanted: partner for nice guy, bad poet, musician, dreamer, coffee grinder: Must be attractive and able to communicate well in 140 characters
- Chris Loft
@Emma...don't forget DOUBLE JOINTED! Muy importante! ;-)
- Live4Emma (L4S)
+ must know grep, tail, tar and gzip :)
- AJ Batac ('_')
Is this one of those BEFORE... AFTER ads?!
- Sharath
its AFTER ads..for a change i like TOI :P
- pramodc84
"Kids, I'll kick your collective asses if any such pic involving you turns up in the newspaper."
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
@pramodc84 I meant in the lines of those weight loss ads with 2 pics of fat guy(before) and thin guy(after).. just depicting the transition after the "program". U can guess what "program" I'm referring to wrt the pic above :P . I hope the shirt bearer doesn't kill me for this.
- Sharath
Where's the ram sena when you need em?
- ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
Ugh. To put that simply, the complementary colors (that your brain sees) form a circle, but the spectral colors (of physical light) are arranged linearly. The way the 2 are matched up is that the complements of some colors (greens) are colors that blend colors from both ends of the spectrum: red and violet.
- j1m
"So what does the brain do when our eyes detect wavelengths from both ends of the light spectrum at once (i.e. red and violet light)? Generally speaking, it has two options for interpreting the input data: a) Sum the input responses to produce a colour halfway between red and violet in the spectrum (which would in this case produce green – not a very representative colour of a red and...
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- ⓞnor
I think the biggest problem is the part where she confuses pink and magenta, and even says "look at the pink circle below." Also the title is wrong, but maybe that seems like a quibble, somehow?
- j1m
The whole business about averaging colors on the spectrum is just wrong. And there's nothing whatsoever about the three types of cones (one with a bimodal response function), which is the *real* reason our perception of color doesn't lie prettily on the spectrum.
- ⓞnor
The other biggest problem: an RGB image of a color spectrum that includes violet.
- Jim Norris
actually the incorrect method works OK too. just remember to wash your hands afterwards.
- Nathan Rein
Mike, that sounds familiar now that you mention it? That might be on some brand of disposable diapers. We use cloth, though, so no stripe.
- Rochelle
If you do do it incorrectly, don't do a facepalm. Ok?
- Roberto Bonini
I could sell disposable stripes that go down the back of the diaper and have a tab poking up in the back. Would work with cloth diapers. Sell them on the razor blade model with test strips and a mildly lewd-looking applicator.
- Sparky, lurking
honestly, those changing stripes don't really work well. not as well as my nose from 10 feet away, anyways.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
So THAT is what I've been doing wrong with Ethan.
- Steven Perez