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Interesting blog about what's wrong with friendfeed's interface
18 minutes ago - bokardo.com - Link
Joshua Porter does an awesome job here of explaining what's wrong with friendfeed's UI. - Robert Scoble via Bookmarklet
I disagree with almost every one of those suggestions. [edit] I'd prefer more, not less on the page. This person doesn't use hide much I guess. Likes allow me to find other people, white space is always appreciated and comments are value added. Again, don't like a title, hide it. It's just not that hard. - AJ Kohn
AJ: why? - Robert Scoble
Friends of friends represent huge potential value. I think getting rid of that mechanic would be a big mistake. Placing less emphasis on it than primary relationships makes sense. - Patrick Pushor
The interface I never knew I wanted - but I totally do. Some really great points in there. - Shawn Farner
+1 AJ. The first suggestion might be valid but others... no, no and no. - Tapio Kulmala
@Robert: I'd be okay with the ability to select how many items showed up on the page (default to 5 for newbies), but forcing it at 5. No thanks. I prefer scrolling to clicking by page, particularly with the speed in which things change on FF. White space is necessary to ensure you CAN scan the page. And comments is where the gold is. This interface would essentially reduce it to a one line Title interface, right? - AJ Kohn
+1 AJ The reason more lines are shown as well as people you don't "know" is to help you discover more people, more feeds, and more content. - Lindsey in Love
GreaseMonkey does have a script that allows you to filter by content, so I think that is a great idea to already have it in FF. However, the other three opinions, I don't agree with, like the others. You don't care if someone you don't know liked something? The great thing about "Like" is that people that is subscribed to this person can view your content, so you get more exposure. Why wouldn't you want this? - Shevonne Polastre
I'm all for compressing more content into the scarce vertical space. I run FF in Firefox using almost all of the 1200 vertical pixels of my monitor, and it's still not enough. But there is a difference between times when you want discovery and times when you want efficiency, I'd find ways to improve the set up for both MOs. - Logical Extremes
If they had everything in a single line, the vertical scrolling would be ridiculous. Maybe FF can have an option for people to hide comments, and click a link to show them, if they prefer. Maybe something similar to the WP FriendFeed plugin. - Shevonne Polastre
As somebody in the article comments already posted, you can already turn off friend of friend opinions. Maybe that option needs to be easier to find but I agree with all, keep it on by default. - Patrick Pushor
It appears he wants to use FF primarily as a news/info feed from select people with no commentary. I thought part of the allure off FF was the social commentary. And it always annoys me when people are so dismissive about seeing stuff from people other than the ones they've personally selected. Seems rather snooty. - saeba
I do disagree on de-emphasizing the people though, it is FriendFeed after all. I like to be able to easily see who made the post, via what service, the title, and a quick scan of the metadata. - Logical Extremes
@saeba Bang on. FF is all about the commentary. Any competing service can build an aggregator. - Patrick Pushor
saeba - snooty? I see it as a headache bypass. There are some people that are a huge pain in the head to read on a regular basis and are out there posting as much as possible. I personally do not want to subject my head to that. Snooty, not at all. - Susanne "Renee" Bullo
We have to think about new users. I've read enough comments about people feeling overwhelmed that friend of friend should be diabled by default... - Jason Kaneshiro
Most of the things he doesn't like are things that make FF good. For example, showing a few comments can generate interest in the entry even if the title is uninteresting. Finding new people partially comes from being able to see the full list of who liked the entry. I have to agree with the weighting problem though, I complained about that the first week. - xero
Interesting observations, although I don't feel there's any major problems with the FriendFeed UI. Although that's just my 2p. - Tyson Key
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“Nine ways Twitter could make money:”
2 hours ago - Link
1. Look for affiliate revenues - Robert Scoble
2. Exploit the spaces between content - Robert Scoble
3. Adopt a freemium model - Robert Scoble
4. Add Virtual Goods - Robert Scoble
5. Get recurring revenue, er, find a way to charge for subscriptions. - Robert Scoble
6. If you’re going to do advertising, get into creating ads that are viral and interactive. - Robert Scoble
7. Create “frequent tweeting” programs - Robert Scoble
8. Look for support, or tips, from your users. - Robert Scoble
9. Get outside your website. Try to sell schwag. Do events. Etc. - Robert Scoble
Pro features at some point would be nice. An enterprise version could work as well. - Mike Fruchter
Inserting geo-targetted ads on Tweets. - Mike Fruchter
Got any others? - Robert Scoble
what about truncated, collapsable/expandable threading? - Mark
And maybe "Nine ways Friendfeed could make money" hehe - Mark
Twitter should license their technology to companies for intranets. - Michael Gaines
TweetSense. Ad Tweets served BY Twitter, who has the best idea of your Tweet volume and subject matter. http://www.blindfiveyearold.co... Lowest hanging fruit, contextual ads on the Twitter Search page. - AJ Kohn
What about platform support via dev tools? Encourage the ecosystem and make money at the same time? (Apologies, Robert, I replied on Twitter first.) - Tim Beyers
premium blogger services. Cool site integration tools with metrics. - Chris Baskind
10. add premium support for app developers. - Darren Stuart
Considering they have had 100% uptime for a few months, you have to think stability is fine now and they have their engineers beavering away on new features. Of course digg has 80 engineers and hardly ever seems to launch anything :p - Mark
Thanks for this article Robert - Robin
11. sell inhouse or managed solutions to companies for their own uses internally and sell federation CAL's so they can connect the internal solution to the wider twitter network so that specific users can tweet to the public. - alphaxion
Sell the entire background page to brands by the hour/day with some of the area being made available for discounts/offers. (You need something to benefit users too, not just Twitter.) ;-p - mtlb
I'm a little scared of the day all these FREE Social Networking sites CLOSE THE DOOR ON FREE, with all my data inside. - PaulFrankRizzo
good point..what is the answer Robert? - Robin
Paul: I don't think free is going away. But I sure would pay for decent DM features, for instance. Lots of companies would pay for custom skinning features. - Robert Scoble
By following a brand's advertising account you consent to receiving ads from them. Add some profiling info to this and it could be a powerful tool to receive adverts on a users terms. - John Galpin
7.1> Post ad-tweets every half an hour from twitter account, which every twitter user will follow by default (have to follow by default). Make changes to API, so that people can't work around it and dodge this tweet. - | Balu |
Nine ways to get me to close my twitter account. - Chris White
freemium is definitely the way, one flavor or another. you don't want to kill the value of the network - quantity and quality - by driving away elements of it. plus for every paying site, there will always be a new free site up in less time it takes to say "bob's my uncle" - Pascal Bouvier
Create daily reports for similar types of tweets and licence that data to various companies, this will be user generated marketing report. - Shanthala Balagopal
Chris: in that case I hope they do all nine! Just kidding, but, seriously, these sites need to find a way to make some revenues or they'll go away. If you don't want them to find a revenue model you are NOT a good user of these systems. - Robert Scoble
ugh, can we please look at ways for twitter to make money without resorting to adverts? I'm pretty sure there's loads of ways, I've mentioned the one I have been bleeting on about for months now. How about you? Can you come up with ways to make money without going cap in hand to advertisers? - alphaxion
sell email addresses and lists of followers to email advertisers. - Chris White
Phase 1: Twitter Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit! - Alastair Montgomery
alphaxion: most of these are not about advertising. - Robert Scoble
Every local government needs to be on twitter, on their own twitter - and so does every state and federal government, police and emergency service - operated privately and 'independently' from the main twitter stream. - Chris Loft
care to comment about Obama and his 8 million strong email database taken into the Govt side? I am a community organizer and feel that email list belongs to the people - Robin
Robert, I'm not very active on twitter. I don't think my account going away would matter much. - Chris White
Create a premium 'breaking news' service from data mining existing content and sell it to the old media. - Andrew Leyden
apart from 6 ;) Tho I'm addressing the others who are commenting rather than your suggestions. Trying to tease a bit of creative thinking out of people. I think it is a very healthy activity to get people working on ideas for how to make money and excluding the advertisers at the same time. - alphaxion
charge for premium "booty call" service. - Chris White
Chris: friendfeed has the same business model choices ahead of them to make too. - Robert Scoble
Selling my email address is NOT a way to make money. People will lose faith and/or start using phony emails for signups. - Michael Gaines
Alphaxion: #6 is actually about Context Optional, a company that creates very creative, viral ads. If you're going to do ads, that's the way to do it. - Robert Scoble
squeeze the advertisers...users should not have to pay for service ..other then paying to put up with advertisers and regulating and demanding subtlety - Robin
Chris: hah! Actually most of the dating services are going to free models so they'll need to use some of these 9 too. - Robert Scoble
Robin: problem is that advertisers are going away. TechCrunch is hearing that this year could see some sites have 50% fewer ad revenues than before. So, you'll see more sites use these nine business models on you. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I think FF could probably do pretty well with just adsense. - Chris White
point taken - Robin
How many users on FF at this point? - bravestface
charge a-list players to use the service. :D - Chris White
Have Twitter subscribers pick a few products to "endorse", and have ads with their Twitter names attached to them. Then, give those users a discount based on # of clicks. - Michael Gaines
charge 11 cents per tweet - Chris White
Robert: not forgetting that comps can simply sing up with an account and tweet updates from there, which is where inhouse and federation can be handy. New version release? An auto tweet to the public can be done - alphaxion
Chris: adsense is shit. Pays low CPMs. HotorNot makes $10 by selling virtual flowers. I'd love to be able to put a flower on your comments. Or something else. :-) - Robert Scoble
Turn "following" into a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid! - Rick Tuttle
very interesting discussion, robert. thank you! after 2 months of running Magpie (http://be-a-magpie.com), I can resume that #2 from your list works really well for both tweeps (they earn) and advertisers. - Jan Schulz-Hofen
Robert, if you want to pay $10 to put poo on my comments, I'm okay with that. :) - Chris White
the sale of commercial API keys so that software such as starteam or sourceforge could tweet out info automatically based on trigger events to both private and public twitter networks. - alphaxion
How about paying to block people? Not just for me, but for others too. So if I get super pissed at someone, I can spend $1000 blocking a 1000 of their followers. :) - Chris White
:) - Robin
Charge for Groups feature ala Yammer - Sajida Khan
They should Plax-ify Twitter and create a premium service to share and update full contact details between followers. - matt howard
Rick: I thought following already was a multi-level marketing pyramid! You should have seen my son on Sunday when we were on Leo Laporte's show. He told his 2,000 live listeners that they had to follow my son. He got 100 new followers in a couple of minutes. - Robert Scoble
I think you forgot data mining (which links directly into advertising model, and buzz campaign monitoring). In a nutshell they should have a look at us ;-) (heck, we already do #2 and what I mentionned above!) - twitscoop
bravestface: there are about 250,000 registered users of friendfeed (it's a guess based on available data). - Robert Scoble
At least two of those registered users are Robert Scoble. :) - Chris White
cant we think SMS as a strong income model? - Sinan Ata
If you're a company trying sell/advertise via Twitter...I would expect them to pay. That way it doesn't piss off your standard user. The key is charging less than other competing PR firms. - CannonGod
How about a search engine. Soon there will be so many people and companies on Twitter (and similar sites) that people will want to search for those like they do for web sites. It's already frustrating trying to find people now as the current search is very limited. Add to that a similar model to AdWords that could generate money. Would be interested to see what other people think of this idea! - Joanna Butler
A variant on #5 - develop tools for professional/advanced use of twitter and charge for that level of service. Search / stats / archival tools. - Patrick Pushor
Joanna: http://search.twitter.com has tons of places to monetize. I'd pay $5 a month to be listed on top or have a "pro" icon next to my name, for instance. - Robert Scoble
Which social network/media companies do you think will fail first? - Chris White
Chris: there are quite a few that I don't even track. Hi-5, for instance. - Robert Scoble
Emphasis on 'could' - AJ Kohn
AOL, CompuServe, and Prodigy were the big three online services in the early 90s. AOL is barely left standing now. I would bet there is a lot of carnage in our future. - Chris White
Robert: I'm with you on that! Once companies are using Twitter, they'd easily see the benefits of a pro listing. I have several clients who'd at least be willing to experiment that. - Joanna Butler
Joanna, kind of like restaurants paying to be higher in citysearch results, right? - Chris White
The key is for Twitter to charge advertisers and not users. For example, they could make a mint by placing sidebar ads (a la FB) and justifying $ rates relative to the most popular people followed - such as you, @LeoLaporte, @guykawasaki, oh, and 'That One.' - Jim Mitchem
@jim they would make orders of magnitudes more by selling their software, support of the software and access to their software instead of limiting themselves so badly with conventional advertising. - alphaxion
alphaxion, couldn't some team reproduce a more robust version of that software for sale? The value of twitter at this point seems to be it's subscribers, not it's software. - Chris White
Rent the logo space. Good ad spot. - Gabe Boisvert
If you tell Toyota or Coke that their constituency is online with Twitter and they're following specific people, or trending topics - you know they'd pay through the nose for those precious few seconds. It's push vs. pull. - Jim Mitchem
I like snorting coke, and my friend Trisha Toyota does too. :) - Chris White
@chris - that's cool, just don't snort coke and drive Trish in a Toyota concurrently. - Jim Mitchem
@chris their software is a product they can sell, the userbase is a compelling feature of that product.. "pay for our commerical API to add twitter support to your product and add the ability of your customers to share their going-ons with the network and stoke demand and interest"... - alphaxion
Chris: exactly. Done right, who wouldn't pay? - Joanna Butler
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42 minutes ago - inquisitr.com - Link
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17 hours ago - louisgray.com - Link
Post by Michael Fruchter: http://www.friendfeed.com/fruc... - Louis Gray
great post michael! - andy brudtkuhl
@Andy B, Thank you @Andy DeSoto, thank you kindly for the Digg :) - Mike Fruchter
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8 hours ago - louisgray.com - Link
DRM doesn't matter until you want to buy a music player from someone other than Apple. Sure, nobody makes a music player that can compete with the iPod -- today. I don't expect that will be true the rest of my life. And all those people who subscribed to music services that went under and got screwed - they got screwed because the music on those services was DRMed. - Mitch Wagner
DRM sure does matter if I want to play anything bought from iTunes on my Squeezebox. Or use the tunes to DJ at club using Traktor. I find DRM very intrusive into my music listening habits. If Apple can kill it, iTMS just got a whole bunch more useful for me - they've got more content than most other stores. - Scot Mcphee
Maybe no one competes with iPod touch. There are certainly a number of solid competitors to the iPod. I use a Sansa. Plays mp3s, FM radio, and has a built in voice recorder. Got it for $35 off w00t. Works great with MediaMonkey's superior media player. Meanwhile, iTunes breaks my Vista machine. No thanks. - mrshl
Overheard at Best Buy, "Mom, that's cheap and clunky, I only want an iPod!" - Phil Boiarski
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1 hour ago - tgdaily.com - Link
Seagate's my sponsor. They have some other new stuff coming out tomorrow at CES, can't wait to show it to you. - Robert Scoble via Bookmarklet
they also got seimens HDD patent voided after showing IBM had prior art because they invented it.. $160mill less to pay out :) - alphaxion
Steve Gibson has stated that current high-density drives are less reliable and prone to failure than when they didn't fit so much on a platter. He has said that we could have the perfect high-density hard drive which was extremely reliable but it would cost $1000 - grc.com - Mark
Mark: I believe that. Bits now are being stored in spaces far smaller than a human hair. When I visited Seagate's factory in China there was a team looking at defects in a scanning electron microscope. Really amazing stuff and really tough problems to solve. - Robert Scoble
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1 hour ago - problogger.net - Link
launched my first blog this week..feel like such a amatuer - Robin
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2 hours ago - inquisitr.com - Link
i c whut u did dere - Shey
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2 hours ago - manageyourlifenow.com - Link
"The benefits of exercise are numerous. If you want to keep your health in good levels then this means that you need to give much attention to yourself, both physically and mentally. The five key elements for better health are: physical exercise, proper nutrition, good energy, good psychology, relaxation and health habits. In your daily lives you should include regular exercise to keep fit. Jogging, cycling, swimming and walking are all good ways to keep the body alert and full of energy. This article explains the benefits of exercise to the human body and mind and gives a framework on how and when to exercise." - myln via Bookmarklet
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Odd. The link results in "Nothing found" error. - Robert Miller
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“I'm seeing a TON of new people on both twitter and friendfeed. Welcome and let us know if we can help!”
23 hours ago - Link
Great. - Roberto Bonini
http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer#... has a video about friendfeed that I did that shows you around. You might find it helpful. - Robert Scoble
Thanks for getting me more involved in both! - mrkeroppi
You helped already with the video you posted up on Kyte.tv (http://tinyurl.com/7spgrp) - I was a member before and I had tied in all my RSS and various social network feeds, but I didn't really use Friendfeed. Just felt like a knock-off to Google Reader if I'm honest. Now, I know it's a tool not to mess around with. Extremely powerful, easily one of the best ways to get news for myself outside of Google Reader and I will be certain to explore it further once my exams are done. - Gaurav Patel
Thanks - I would have probably waited on joining FF if not for your video. The idea of cross-SM concatenation is brilliant, even if it's not quite there yet - FF is my SM portal of choice right now. - Jim Mitchem
Hello :) that's a good video, I actually started coming here more often after seeing it - Sebastian Dadał
you can help by paying attention to the massacre in gaza - people on twitter are, but there is hardly any discussion here - why is that? - ernie yacub
was just watching it; gave me some new ideas on how to use FF - Donald Townsend
ernie: I don't comment on it for several reasons. For one it's such a hot botton issue that I know that engaging on that issue will cost me 80 hours and I just don't have the 80 hours to give. Plus, no matter what side I'm on, there will be people on the other side and I still have bruises from the Obama election that are still healing. Finally, it's not something I can do much about. I'd rather focus my energy on things that I can control and have some influence in. - Robert Scoble
Twitter is a great place to give your opinion without too much risk that you'll get dragged into a long conversation. Friendfeed is a much better place to have a long conversation, which changes the dynamic of what you will find useful to discuss here. - Robert Scoble
ditto for me as well Robert. first introduced to FF by ed dale, but finally took the leap after your encouragement. am grateful most days! - Gregg
One more thing: friendfeed is an aggregator, so if you care about Gaza and Israel, I would open a room here on that topic, and start posting tons of stuff to it. If you are blogging about it, I'd make sure your blogs are being aggregated here. Those topics will find people who will engage. It's just that I'm resisting because this is CES week and I don't have the time. - Robert Scoble
If any of you new starters are interested in video games, http://friendfeed.com/rooms/el... could do with the extra life :) - alphaxion
If I accidentally hide something, how do I unhide? - Rutger Blom
Rutger: if you realize your mistake in time you can just "undo" right there. But, hidden items are at the bottom of the page in a link. Just visit there and click hide again and it will unhide. - Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks! - Rutger Blom
@Robert I'm liking your comments here... A room for each side probably will do more... - Pico Seno
I refer you to my FF post from this morning http://friendfeed.com/e/84f580... Like literally I'm picking up 2 followers an hour, and I have no clue why. I just know I haven't suddenly became interesting, important, or influential. I'm the same screw off I've always been. - Matthew DeVries
Matthew: I'm gaining more than 100 per day here (more than 1,100 since Arrington's intervention with me) and more than 200 a day over on Twitter. These things are gaining steam. - Robert Scoble
Robert, that's interesting. More new followers in twitter than FF. Have you noticed any changes in that trend? - Tapio Kulmala
Well yeah, but you say things people care about. People lining up to follow me? In the world view? Come on.... - Matthew DeVries
AND I haven't changed at all since friday. - Matthew DeVries
Matthew: people have this believe that the one who dies with the most followers wins. It's just a game at this point to collect more followers. - Robert Scoble
Robert, do you sleep? Seriously :) - Bwana
not much last night. - Robert Scoble
I'm here because I saw your zillion posts on it. I like it! - Dave Gambrill
Robert: Really? Disappointing really - I'd rather have less than 10 interesting and informative people following me than 5,000 drooling idiots. I see enough of the later crowd on a daily and face-to-face basis to cover the "moron" category of my life. - Susanne "Renee" Bullo
poor Robert :) Get some Zzzzzzzzzzzs! - Susan Beebe
Bullo: that's what I figure it is. But Twitter is growing remarkably quickly now. People are figuring it out and with Mr. Tweet and other directories, you are probably on one of those as an influencer to check out. - Robert Scoble
Well, I may be playing wrong, but after the first 5 or so I stopped playing the "Courtesy Followback" game and started actually looking at their content and blogs and interests and made an informed decision on following back. Damn near almost followed some kind crazy PETA scientist bomber - Matthew DeVries
Great initiative, thank you Robert! What I'd like to know is how many people forward their tweets to their friendfeed account. - Zack Brandit
Zack: I'm following about 6,000 here and a good percentage do. I hope people use friendfeed to aggregate their lives together here totally. We can hide things on the reading side if it gets to be too much. - Robert Scoble
Question - if you're subscribed to someone on FF, is it relevant to also 'follow' them on Twitter? Seems a bit redundant. No? - Jim Mitchem
Matthew: I quickly stopped the "courtesy followback" - and I do the same, check their profile, look at their website, etc. If people are offended, so be it. I really don't want to spend time reading about how your last bowel movement was or how cute your cat is. - Susanne "Renee" Bullo
Susanne: That could become a horrible Mash-Up tweet as well. - Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Oh the horror! - Susanne "Renee" Bullo
robert, u don't have to comment, you can like/rt, which you do a lot with other posts as do many of your colleagues, but curiously not about gaza which is immediate and critically important, especially for the people in gaza - they need to know that not everyone in the western world believes the msm propaganda. - ernie yacub
ernie: as opposed to their propoganda, right? Got it. This is why I stay out of this fight. Who threw the first missles? It wasn't Israel. - Robert Scoble
Here is a PROs and CONs to using FriendFeed conversation: http://friendfeed.com/e/03d22b... - Chris Herbert
Careful Robert. This is a battle you don't want, I don't think. (even though i agree) - Jim Mitchem
robert, you are wrong, which is why you need to engage in the conversation, or at least read some history - gaza is a prison camp with 1.5 million people cut off from the world, food, fuel, work, money, etc by israel - most are refugees who were driven from their homes by israelis. - ernie yacub
gaza =/= hamas, who Israel is fighting. Don't want to get bombed, don't stand next to a guy wearing a hamas sticker. - Matthew DeVries