Good, their Favoriting system right now is useless. It would be great to do more with Favorites.
- Rob
He's already got the Favorites/Stars feature, sex that up a bit and it could eventually be comparable to Likes. The comments will be good to see.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
But will it tie in other services the way FF does and put them into your Twitter Feed?
- Mike Bracco
But he said they would be different, though. Also, during his talk at #140TC he told the audience they would make other changes to support search, including adding location based info to each Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
@Rob - Favorites aren't entirely useless. I feed my Twitter favorites into my Friendfeed via RSS and they occasionally start new discussions:.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
All interesting, but it seems they are moving further away from the core purpose at this point.
- Patrick Boegel
Phil: they didn't announce any specific changes. These are more "hints" at what is to come.
- Robert Scoble
who cares about SMS? Seriously, they need to ditch that constraint
- Andy Hedges
Buzz: on the other hand, GupShup in India is growing faster than Twitter is because it supports SMS.
- Robert Scoble
i understand. what i don't like is that people who use twitter don't credit or see the value in friendfeed, but will gush over these "new" features on twitter
- Cee Bee
I hear younger folks (teens and collegiates I guess) still care about SMS far more than us working IT pros. Let's not throw the baby out.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
SMS is HUGE in India and other countries.
- Robert Scoble
Cee: that's life. That happened in Microsoft Windows too.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel J. Pritchett: I've been doing the same with my Twitter favorites.
- Joe Bonner
@Cee Bee - I'm happy that consumer web apps are ripping each other off. Each time FF successfully rolls out a great new feature they elevate the minimum expected level of acceptable service for new competitors.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Isn't there a Twitter equivalent in India that has hundreds of millions of users that haven't even logged into a website - all done through SMS - including the sign up process.
- Mike Bracco
Joe: Twitter's favorites are hard to separate out from the messages, though. So it's hard to say "show me all Tweets that have #140tc in them but that have one like." Doing that here is VERY easy.
- Robert Scoble
I guess it needs to be an adaptive interface then, changes to suit the users usage modes
- Andy Hedges
@Daniel ok, I stand corrected. That's one nice use of it. But we need searching of favs and the ability to see who is fav'ing. At least they (Twitter) are finally catching on to the potential of that feature. Too bad it took 2.5 years to realize that.
- Rob
Robert, do you think they can catch up with Friendfeed in terms of features and reliability?
- Jérôme Flipo
Maybe SMS is huge in countries that don't charge an arm and a leg for the privilege. I'd love to use it more often but not at $30/mo.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jerome: yes. But that assumes that friendfeed will stand still and stop doing new features.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with you there, Rob. I'd like for "twitter favorites" to be an official service recognized by the FF API so that it would be easier to search on as you mentioned just now.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert, assuming that the FF team keeps up the good work, naturally :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Hey, if Twitter manages to consistently stay within 12 months of FF in terms of awesome new features the web will be a much cooler place overall.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jerome: or, like Mark Zuckerberg told me "the race is to who can build a great search engine that has 250 million people on it."
- Robert Scoble
At least Facebook as a revenue strategy, I just don't see that in FF or Twitter
- Chris Patterson
Mark already has the 250 million people. Friendfeed has the great search engine. Twitter has neither. So, who will win this game? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
SMS is a terrible interface for anything and all it does is make the phone companies piles of cash
- Chris Patterson
Doesn't the popularity of SMS in India have at least something to do with the fact that few people have access to voice mail? I think I had heard something to that effect.
- Christopher A Carr
That's the geek in you talking, Chris. SMS (and Twitter) are so sucessful *because* of their simplistic natures rather than in spite of them.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I like Twitter just not SMS, Twitter did't become useful for me until the desktop clients came along
- Chris Patterson
What is the over/under on how long it will take b4 we see a blog post using "Friendfeed killer" in it's title?
- Davis Freeberg
It seems like Twitter doesn't know what it wants to be. Do they want to be like MSFT and Windows and let everyone else make the apps or do they want to make the apps themselves. Apps in this case would be additional functionality built on the Twitter's raw data stream. Is this a poor analogy? I view Twitter more as a platform.
- Mike Bracco
I'd like FF to win the race, since the team seems to care more about its vision and users than Twitter or FB.
- phil baumann
Of course I still prefer FF. It woudl be very hard to have and follow this conversation on Twitter
- Chris Patterson
Sure, The Twitter API can be Win32 and Summize, FriendFeed et al can be value-added acquisitions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel: so you're saying that you think Twitter will IPO? I'm just wondering how acquisitions would be funded otherwise.
- EnterpriseVault
No clue re: IPOs and acquisitions, I was just playing off of the Microsoft analogy above
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Chris: agree that following conversation is easier, (possible, even), on FF. twitter's in reply to's only work sporadically, especially with 3rd party apps. Trying to extract in depth conversations on twitter is a huge time-suck.
- motownmutt
Daniel: thanks for clarifying. I actually think the same however there is no business path to it for now (IMO, that is).
- EnterpriseVault
Robert: Thanks for clarifying the limitations of importing Twitter favorites.
- Joe Bonner
sms popularity in India is nothing to do with voice mail. SMS in India is like Mozilla ubiquity for firefox. A command line interface for the mobile phone. Booking flights, paying bills and other thousands of usages including social networking.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Interesting to see this post a few days later. No, I don't think twitter is going to be "competitive" with the Wave that Google announced today. A participant, for sure, but competitive? In their dreams.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I see more of a revenue strategy on FriendFeed in the long term that (for sure) Twitter, and likely Facebook. Facebook is lagging, while I see the structure in place for FriendFeed to seriously take over.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Having media right there in the message is a win. That's what you get from OurDoings when you use the "Send Email Update" feature. I made that feature 4 years ago.
- Bruce Lewis
Gonna try it now, it's something i've been waiting to see for many years, it would probably add significantly to stay time on Gmail.
- Majento
also arrange desks in a circle is something my HS did. little thing, but made you more aware of all the students, rather then just the teacher.
- Chris Harris
I work with jr. high and high school kids at our church regularly. Trust me, just putting them in a room OR asking them questions doesn't stimulate anything. :)
- Nathaniel Payne
that giant promo head probably costs more than the movie has earned
- Cee Bee
This picture makes me LOL!!!! Aaron, quit your instigating! Besides, I'm really a guy. Let the rumors commence
- Mona Nomura
No quicker way to kill a conversation, eh? Well, I suppose it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if I also revealed that I'm really a guy, too?
- l0ckergn0me
As a professional Driver, I've seen much scarier things on the highway.
- Paul W. Swansen
Haha If I saw this in person, I would crash.
- Anamarie
That pic is awesome, can't stop laughing! Your comments also are worth reading. Wow, I'm crying from it sight. I'll have the worst nightmares.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
from twhirl
The funny thing is, I can imagine Chris pulling a stunt like this. ;)
- Daynah
"With Starbucks' July 1, 2008 announcement to close 600 stores, there is likely a location near you that is scheduled to close. This is the place to tell the world your Starbucks story and how much you value your local location. Who knows, it may help keep it open..."
- Hutch Carpenter
from Bookmarklet
haha. I confess I am *not* a Starbucks hater. I was at the Starbuck's at the Lucas complex in the Presidio today -- it's quite lovely (a lot of outdoor seating overlooking a great park).
- Robert Seidman
Na,na,na,na, Na,na,na,na. Hey,hey,hey - goodbye. Go and post about starvation in Africa or poverty in America or soldiers dying. Seriously, get a grip!
- AJ Kohn
i like when people get behind causes they believe in, but this is pushing it
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee, do you think this is a real cause, or a website aimed at making some adsense money?
- Robert Seidman
that's actually a good point, robert. i didn't think of that. could very well just be taking advantage of the buzz surrounding the closings
- Cee Bee
I love Starbucks, I'll SO chain myself to the nearest garbage can!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Starbucks hater either, but I rarely use them. I do buy their beans sometimes, but I tend to mostly make coffee at home. It's much more economical.
- Ian May
they over-roast their beans, imo...Peet's is much better
- Bren, Photophobe
huh... saving someone else income at my own expense? where is that HIDE?
- A.T.
To be fair, most of the time I work at home anyway, and on the days, I go out to visit clients, I always have coffee at home first, and then I make enough to fill a Thermal mug to take in the car with me, so I don't need to stop anywhere to buy another one.
- Ian May
I'll walk an extra half mile for a Peets. Robert - I heard the guy who runs this site on NPR today. He's serious about it. Talked about adding collaborative features to the site. Real web 2.0 effort.
- Hutch Carpenter
My local java den is Peet's, so whatever. They should prune down the ridiculous Starbucks locations that are within 2 blocks of eachother.
- Louie
I'll go to Starbucks if it's convenient but I prefer Seattle's Best if I can find one (I normally can't) or Peet's. But, if I'm serious about a cup of coffee, I'll go to Lighthouse which is, by far, the best coffee in Seattle. I do not, however, want the Starbucks near my house to close. It's brand new, very nice, and very convenient.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm much more fond of saving my Starbucks stock price than I am saving redundant stores.
- jcunwired
I'm a Peet's fan but if they closed my local Peet's ... well, tough cookies. Out of everything to get on a soapbox about I'm just astonished that someone is so insulated to take this on as a cause. Starving kids and poverty yet ... *awww, I have to go another mile to get my $3 latte, whaaa, whaaa*
- AJ Kohn
Don Corleone: Good. Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But, until that day, accept this justice as a gift on my daughter's wedding day.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
If you keep adding awesome features to NoiseRiver, I will run out of nice things to say about it. Keep up the awesome work directeur!
- Thomas B
from NoiseRiver
@thomasb: Thank you! :) It took me less than half an hour to add this actually. Many harder stuff to come ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Lovin' NoiseRiver...will there be an iPhone App?
- Greg
OpenDNS helps me get sleep at night. No I'm not foolish enough to think it'll put a complete stop to phishing, but it sure helps with DNS phishing
- Bwana ☠
Is really the final version identical to the RC3 and so the version we are downloading is just a set up for the firefox down(load) day
- Stéphane Guérin
Thanks Bwana, struggling with server down for minutes :)
- Dan H. Racek
I've only downloaded the Mac version, but the md5 matches on both FTP and the link I provided above. Mac OS X md5: 27ff7989db6a206cdfc8989aca9f9283
- Bwana ☠
I cant spot much differences between RC3 and the final version
- Palin Ningthoujam
There shouldn't be many differences. But so far so good on my system. Seems a little snappier and uses less RAM than earlier betas.
- Robert Scoble
is there somewhere (or some tool) to check compatibility with your addons? I don't want to have to go to each individual addons page and read the fine print.
- Tim Hoeck
Palin, the final release of FF3 is identical to RC3. No code changes whatsoever; it's the same package.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Linked to this from RWW - awesome! :)
- Sarah Perez
The welcome page says "Release Candidate 3" after I install from the Mac OS X dmg with an MD5 of 27ff7989db6a206cdfc8989aca9f9283. However, the about page says just "version 3.0".
- Fred Yankowski
from twhirl
The "about" page has said just "Version 3.0" for a while (or at least it does previous in RCs). I can haz actual release and not RC?
- Karim
Shawn, go to http://getfirebug.com. Under releases you can download beta 12. It works with 3. I'm not sure how stable it is, so, as with all betas, installer beware! They claim it to be stable.
- Joel Gray
...getting off topic here, but I've been using Firebug on FF3 for weeks and it's very stable.
- Daniel Shaw
thank you, I can finally download FF3
- Rajiv Doshi
yeah, i've been having a hard time getting the updated firebug for ff3. anyone have an alternative download link?
- Ivan Stegic
never mind, i just answered my own question. firebug for ff3 is available on the ftp servers too, in a different directory. go herE: ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/1843/
- Ivan Stegic
Wow, that link made it much todo about nothing.
- Russellreno
My Mac OS version also has MD5 27ff7989db6a206cdfc8989aca9f9283 - can someone confirm whether it's really final or RC3 (or provide an official confirmation that final == RC3)?
- Chester
For those wondering, the md5 of the Mac OS X download from getfirefox.com and the one I provided above match. Both are 27ff7989db6a206cdfc8989aca9f9283 Those are the official versions
- Bwana ☠