@Koger: Because obviously no one could be against net neutrality without being bought.
- 321
321, assuming your statement is sarcastic, what are some good arguments against net neutrality?
- Cristo
I seem to recall last year one of the telecomm's gave him his own personal cell phone tower so he could get cell phone service at his wife's secluded ranch in Arizona.
- Ed Millard
@321, Ummm, that's right because Net Neutrality is *BAD* right? WTF?
- Travis Koger
I'm still not clear on what's good about this...
- Cliff Gerrish
please ask Dennis when Foursquare will roll out in europe
- HansVanRock
Cliff: there are three things that I get out of Foursquare: 1. I see what my friends are doing. That lets me meet them in real life and keep track of what they are doing. 2. It's a game, so I can play it to compete with my friends. 3. I can get tips from my friends for the location that I currently am at.
- Robert Scoble
Hans: it just launched in London last week.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the tips seem good. Do you need to check in to get them?
- Cliff Gerrish
Checking-in is like closing the "sales" loop for venues. FourSquare is a disruptor in mobile marketing and users are happy and engaged....
- Antonella Stellacci
Cliff: yes. Because checking in is how you tell the system where you are.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: London i don´t consider as europe, it´s an island lost at sea ;-)
- HansVanRock
Mobile advertising is a multi-billion dollars business. ....even Twitter with geo-location API and Facebook mobile will want a share of it..
- Antonella Stellacci
Loop and latency are also key elements.
- Cliff Gerrish
Hey, Gillmor, nice camera angle of your studio!
- Robert Scoble
widgets will soon start talking to each other and exchanging data. that's when user constructed solutions start getting interesting.
- scott anderson
Are there enough economics in a distributed widget mesh?
- Cliff Gerrish
widgets will be front end for services. that's where the economics come from.
- scott anderson
If you wrap up 5 widgets in a package - high risk, great leverage, low economics
- Cliff Gerrish
If you are dependent on more systems, doesn't that increase your risk? It seems like it's a downside unless you have failover to other services
- Martin May
Do we really want our phones making decisions for us? No matter how much context they have...
- Cliff Gerrish
Have any houses been broken into based on negative location information?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: I heard of one, because of a Facebook post (or it was just a bad coincidence). But I've also heard of thieves getting caught because of Google Latitude.
- Robert Scoble
As long as thieves are also on foursquare and check in as they are robbing your place -- I guess that's ok...
- Cliff Gerrish
No 4square in Reno yet. So there must be a population threshold for cities covered at this point?
- ursi
Cliff: if someone tries breaking into my house while I'm not here they might be a little shocked. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Homeless people will "check in" the easy mark homes for their roaming buddies...
- Robert J Taylor
Aren't explicit place gestures fictional? That's their important social information content...
- Cliff Gerrish
I'd love to be able to check in on the Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
Anything like this at all for the PC.
- Mark Wolvin
It get's my highest praise, "Doesn't suck."
- Steve Feinstein
ok, im amazed. just correctly corrected 162 out of 170 tracks with "track xyz" as their title.
- Jamie
Addons like this, and programs like Coda, are the things pulling me toward buying an iMac. Just can't get myself to do it yet.
- Andres
I don't get how you can get your iTunes library in such a state: http://polluxapp.com/Screens... Without using this app, my iTunes library has all the necessary metadata, and I didn't make any effort to have it like that.
- Paul Grav
Anything similar on windows, on iTunes or foobar or winamp or anything? I'd like to see a program that has a "search for year info on Wikipedia" option. Actually, why isn't there an app where I can manually correct track info on my iPhone while I'm listening and have the corrections sync back?
- Chuck Kahn
Paul, mainly by downloading music illegally from places like Kazaa (is that even around anymore?) and torrents.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
It may be a coincidence, but I sent this link to my husband and when he tried to download the application he had to force quit Safari and it triggered all kinds of virus messages! He said he was not willing to try to duplicate the problem!
- Ginger Campbell, MD
So, don't run this on compilation/greatest hits albums, unless you want the songs retagged to the original albums.
- Demian Johnston
@Chuck Kahn - A cross platform (albeit more complex) tagger is Jaikox - http://www.jthink.net/jaikoz/ I've been using it on the Mac for about a year, much more complicated - and not free... but it works.
- Christopher Aloi
I liked it until it ended up misidentifying a great deal of songs, now I have to take the time to manually edit them back. Or just break out the CDs and rip them all over again. It can't tell the difference between tracks from a live album versus their studio recorded counterparts. It gets an E for effort.
- Bryan K Erickson
It also gets in this state if you were managing music well before iTunes came to PC.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
When I used to do stuff in Windows, I used MP3Tag.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This app worked perfect for me. Well done!
- Mike Shulman
Gonna try it now ... [edit] Not bad, but made too many mistakes for me to unleash it on the rest of my library.
- Timothy Griffin
I downloaded it and it did not do anything.
- Kelly J
@Kelly J: You need to highlight some songs in iTunes and then click "Tag selected iTunes tracks".
- 321
Very cool idea, but I have tried it on two albums and it got one song wrong both times. It also hasn't grabbed lyrics on any song I've tried so far, and that was main reason for trying it. All my stuff is tagged properly already. Any apps that just grab the lyrics?
- Justin Luey
...well, it is 'beta' software, or has that label lost all meaning these days?
- .LAG liked that
I think some of the data it uses is a bit suspect. One artist, two versions of the same song but different lengths, and they're classed as being from the same album. What's with the lyrics bit - where do they appear?
- Mike Caine
I signed up for the beta and I would like to get in. I think it's a great idea. To be honest, I'd be sorta surprised if it works though.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I dismissed it as not possible originally but other companies, including nVidia have been showing off similar projects recently.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy, any info on these similar projects?
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't remember the titles of the other ones, let me see if I can find the nVidia one, because I just came across it while I was trying to fix my video card on monday.
- Jimminy Fuller
SpawnLabs was one that I saw, not streaming from a database but still an interesting streaming project as it is using your console at home while you're on the road. http://www.spawnlabs.com/
- Jimminy Fuller
I would be very surprised if it actually works, but I've signed up for beta.
- 321
Don't think it will. And if it will... what if they get out of Beta and the service get really popular? Every game will run from their servers. just imagine the farms they'll need.
- Remo
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
Maybe Saturday for the baby, Robert? Here's hoping all goes well!
- Robert J Taylor
social media is dead, huh? wonder how he feels about the public option. :D
- Karoli
you should invite @caro on Gillmor Gang, Steve - she'd be great
- Kevin Marks
I wish Facebook allowed multiple accounts on threadly
- earl wallace
a design comment on this page: If the rackspace sponsor icon were above the video screen, the friendfeed discussion would line up with the video better.
- Karoli
For me, I'll be much more selective about who I share my location with. And I'm not likely to send a friend request for a location-based system to someone who I haven't met and consider a "real life" friend.
- Mike Doeff
guys, has scoble been saying we should share our location or something ?
- Mark
The evidence to me that we're on the path to everybody becoming Scoble one day will be the existence of a second person like Scoble :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I share my location via BrightKite to my friends, and I use Navizon on my jailbroke iPhone to update a map on my Facebook page every 10 minutes. Kinda fun.
- Otto
Fire Eagle enables the sharing of location between services quite well.
- Otto
Have to agree with Scoble on the sharing capabilities of things like Foursquare ... not worried about the privacy issue at all
- Robert J Taylor
Fun, Otto, but you really don't want people knowing where you live. I have been stalked and it's scary
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: The only people that can see my location are people I know. I don't friend people on social sites if I don't know them. Facebook especially.
- Otto
I use Foursquare. But once again not in mmy home
- Francine Hardaway
I've had people (on FriendFeed and my blog) threaten me and my family. Since then I'm very careful revealing my location. I want control - I think utilizing Facebook privacy controls is the best way to do this.
- Jesse Stay
BrightKite offers a neat feature to make specific locations more private than others, so you can use it at home, but only your BrightKite Friends can see it (as opposed to the world)
- Otto
Francine, you tweet your location out a lot...I hate the whole idea of letting folks know where I am in real time unless there's some purpose in that notification.
- Karoli
But there's a fundamental difference between something like "track" and geolocation serivces. People don't know what "track" is, but they know what "everybody knows exactly where I am at all times" is.
- Ken Sheppardson
people make @foursquare venues for their homes that don't have addresses on, so they can check in, but only those in the know can find them
- Kevin Marks
yeah i have my place but not my apt number
- MG Siegler
Foursquare is crap. It doesn't work in any city within 400 miles of me. How the hell can a company sustain that sort of thing? They're totally ignoring like 80% of the bloody country.
- Otto
Definitely am an outlier. I like sharing my location so people who know me (or want to) can join me. Works well in my home town and in towns I'm visiting.
- Robert J Taylor
Main reason me and friends use BrightKite is to check in at places so that we can meet up without having to trade texts and calls and such. Much nicer than how it was before, having 20 people call to ask what bar we're hanging at
- Otto
Dave, if I were stuck on a country road in the dark and wanted someone to come get me, it would be extremely handy. (that's actually happened to me in the past)
- Karoli
yeah i've seen a few things like that coming soon also
- MG Siegler
Not to throw a legal question into the mix but at what point do we all become default public figures as a result of our election to disclose personal information? The privacy myth writ large.
- Dave Martin
By the way, was talking to someone who work kids trying to get guns off the streets, and they were explaining that one of the biggest problem they have these days is girlfriends with cellphones.
- Ken Sheppardson
with latitude you can choose what to share with who (share best location, city level, hide)...
- Antonella Stellacci
@Karoli good point but we would probably agree that you would want to somehow limit those who were made aware that you were alone on a dark road
- Dave Martin
Dave: If that actually occurred, it would be a horrific fail and the backlash would be tremendous. Can you image how many people would get ticked off about starbucks tracking them?
- Otto
Otto: I think that the same thing was said about Twitter - who cares what you're doing, besides some friends? Now we're talking about "where are you"...
- Robert J Taylor
Thanks Steve, Kevin, Seth, MG, Robert, good show
- Dave Martin
Just joking Otto, we agree, there are two issues, having access to the data and application of the data, collection/mining will be the science, application will prove to be the art
- Dave Martin
@Kevin: Yes, foursquare supports 21 cities. But I live in the 19th biggest city in the country, Downtown no less, and foursquare doesn't have it. Lame, lame, lame.
- Otto
yeah crowd-sourcing cities is coming soon. will open it to a lot more
- MG Siegler
I live in the 7th largest city -- no Foursquare love for San Antonio. Always pretends I'm in Austin
- Robert J Taylor
Crowdsourcing should have been in there in the first place. Gowalla has 50-60 locations in my city, and I was only the 3000th user or so. What the hell good is a location based app that doesn't work in almost all locations?
- Otto
I live in the 10th largest City, San Jose, and I have to tell @foursquare it's San Francisco...
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, I had the same problem in Boston. It doesn't work well with suburbia.
- Jesse Stay
San Francisco is a suburb of San Jose. If you go by population.
- Gabe Wachob
One thing is certain, GPS will redefine "local" to mean not DMA, block code or any other crude marketing/census definition but local as EXACTLY where you are in the moment.
- Dave Martin
or san jose is a suburb of SF if you go by white upper middle class cultural associations
- mary
Actually, San Jose is part of the so-called embedded San Francisco metro or DMA/SMSA definition.
- Dave Martin
Question [ 1 ] – An ANONYMOUS GSM Provider in England UK on GSM Cracking, writes... Hi Steve. I just listened to your podcast on GSM Cracking. I work for a 3G operator and we are VERY aware (and wary) of the issues with GSM’s 2G vulnerabilities. I thought your assessment was mostly fair, so here are a couple of additional points: Data GPRS, doesn't use A5/1, it uses GEA/1 and yes this...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 2 ] - Austin Clark in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin wants Cookie Management: Steve, For the second week you mentioned your favorite Firefox Cookie Manager, but never gave us its name. I'm sure you're driving a number of your listeners, like me, crazy. Could you either tell everyone on the next show? If you don't want to promote it could you at least email me the name? It could be our little secret. ;)
- Leo Laporte
The add-on is called "Permit Cookies" - it's sparse but it does the job. http://gorgias.de/mfe/ - Steve sets the cookie "keep until" setting to "until I close Firefox" - then uses Permit Cookies to allow trusted sites to save cookies. The add-on says it's not compatible with 3.5 but the version from the author's site IS.
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 3 ] - Mateus Del Bianco in Brazil wonders about "GSM Cloning" Hi Steve! Listening to the last episode on GSM Cracking got me wondering: How easy is to clone someone's cell phone over the air? I can accept that GSM is insecure, and I don't mind someone listening to my conversations, but I DO mind if someone can use my line! Is it possible to do? What about if someone have physical access to the GSM card? How hard is to obtain the 128bit pre shared key that you talked about?
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 4 ] - Dax Mars, "visiting earth via second life" wonders... Quick question: Would I be insane to try running my own www server for my website? Cash is short, my hosting is up for renewal, my ISP's personal webspace is very limited and not very reliable, and I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. I'm thinking Win2k or XP of on old PC with Apache for Windows.
- Leo Laporte
Where's the chat room or is this it??
- Greg McIntyre
Most ISPs frown on running servers and they will terminate your service!
- MarK
Question [ 5 ] - Tim in Rancho Cucamonga, CA wonders about a router's password strength: Hi Steve, I hear a lot of talk about having a strong wireless passphrase, but what about the password that lets you into the router setup? The same password that will let you see the wireless passphrase unencrypted? If I use your perfect password maker for my wireless passphrase, then a relatively...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 6 ] - Poojan Wagh in Chicago, IL wonders whether security in hardware is a bad idea? I was thinking about the security in GSM. It seems to me the problem is that such hardware-reliant security implementations have the difficulty that they can't be modified in the future. They're _stuck_ in the hardware. Perhaps it's a generally bad idea to put security in hardware, because of...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 7 ] - Gary McCleery in Oamaru, New Zealand wonders about Proxy Servers: Hi Steve & Leo, greetings from New Zealand (you are probably saying where the heck is New Zealand) I run the school library as well as help look after the servers, desktops, and teacher laptops, never a dull moment. Everyone accesses the Internet via an external proxy server. Some of the students use...
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- Leo Laporte
Re: Q4 Own server: Easy to install and configure and maintain is eBox and SME-server both Linux. Ebox is matained form Ubuntu, and SME from SME contrib I live in Sweden and has had a server on my ADSL connections since 1997.
- Erik Trolle
Question [ 8 ] - Chris in Iron Mountain, MI brings the WAY COOL TIP OF THE WEEK! Subject: Cool Google Feature: Safe Browsing Diagnostic Report Hey Steve, I was going some unusual Google searching when I stumbled across a really cool page (feature?) on Google. It's called "Google Safe Browsing" diagnostic page. I have no idea how to access it through Google's own site, but have been...
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- Leo Laporte
There are no mod chips for the Xbox 360, but you can flash the DVD drive with third-party firmware.
- 321
The Xbox 360 has a lot going on in the mod scene right now. Modding the firmware on the drives is trivial, but not really what you want. There are Kernel hacks coming along for the 360 now and on some models of the system it is possible to run homebrew software like Emulators.
- Filippo Dinolfo
This is leading to a general purpose chip, but that may still be a few months off.
- Filippo Dinolfo
What bad things have you heard? I'm very pleased with the upgrade, it enabled existing functionality that was previously not available (i.e. a2dp), it enhanced performance, and introduced many new features (like copy/paste). I upgraded immediately and was anxiously looking forward to the upgrade while my friend who's husband works for Apple got to beta test it all summer. I'm curious to...
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- Kamala Whitaker
I haven't had any problems with iPhone OS 3.0 or 3.0.1 (the latest version).
- 321
3.0/3.01 made the iPhone finally functional... being on any other software version is like hitting yourself in the face
- Ian D. Nock
I'm glad to hear all these positive things from you! ^_^ What about the battery? I heard it goes low in a very short time. And, any issue with the heat? Thanks.
- Silvia Patacchiola
Bad things: my iphone feels more unresponsive with 3.0. And with every update my iphone is locked in recovery mode - an update usually takes several hours and many resets for me to complete. Good things: Voice memos, push, spotlight. I found no change in battery life - not better not worse. To be honest, i don't see many improvements in 3.0 compared to older versions, apart from push. Just my opninion.
- Nik
One *very* good thing about 3.0 is copy/paste. I forgot to mention that and that only is worth updating. About the heat, no problems here.
- Nik
Everything is good but I feel the iPhone is much slower in 3.0. Plus in India it heats up a lot more than it used to in 2.2.1
- Faraz Mullick
heat? what heat? I've not noticed any changes in temperture; sure it warms up a bit when watching a movie or playing a graphics intensive game, but not anything that I feel is abnormal and certainly not bad enough that I can't continue to hold it.
- Kamala Whitaker
@Faraz Mullick: Yeah, I'm very doubtful about the heat... I'm afraid It's going to explode whenever I make phone calls >_<
- Silvia Patacchiola
I guess I don't have choice, since almost all the apps from Appstore require fw 3.x to be installed; and, as I still have the old fw I cannot install 'em... >_< Not fair! LOL
- Silvia Patacchiola
Mine completes to "whitehouse" but here it suggests white-horse and so on :D
- TaaTaa
I never have to write it. Agh, the amazement that comes with living in Canada.
- Zachary TG
When typing "Gnomedex" a couple years ago, I recall it always forcing me to type "Gnomesex" instead. What does *that* say about Apple? ;-)
- Matthew Gifford
Live now: FLOSS Weekly 85: Randal Schwartz and Jono Bacon interview Jim Zemlin, Exec Dir of The Linux Foundation, http://linux.com. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
There are more people on the foundation board than employees.
- Leo Laporte
How the foundation chooses projects. Three questions: Is this something that forwards Linux, does this require partnerships, does the foundation have the resources and expertise to do the work proposed?
- Leo Laporte
Device driver program supporting companies that want to open drivers and work with kernel developers.
- Leo Laporte
* We've talked before about hacking TKIP in 15 minutes using packet injection. (see SN 170 http://twit.tv/sn170)
- Leo Laporte
* This new attack is similar, but doesn't require QoS turned on in the access point (as the previous crack did), but it does require that the WAP access point and user cannot be within radio range of each other. The attacker is literally a "man in the middle." This attack will NOT work if the user to be hacked is in range.
- Leo Laporte
* Bottom line: this crack is no more worrisome than the previous TKIP attack. Steve's recommendation: use WPA with AES, sometimes (inaccurately) designated WPA2
- Leo Laporte
* Ultra-capacitor update, EEstor contracts with Polarity, http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog... which might mean the EESU Ultra-cap is close to production for the ZENN car! Look for a big announcement inSept or Oct. For more about ultra-capacitors listen to SN 177 (http://twit.tv/sn177).
- Leo Laporte
* Sci-Fi news: Michael McCollum will send the proof copy of the final volume in the Gibraltar series to Steve on Saturday. Leo has been putting off reading the trilogy until the final volume was done. Sounds like we're close. Previous volumes are now available from Amazon on the Kindle or from Michael's site http://www.scifi-az.com/
- Leo Laporte
* If you have two Kindles they will synchronize to the last page read (just like the iPhone app).
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 01 ] - Craig in Chicago is sounding and seeming rather desperate!... Hi Steve, I've sent this a few times now that Ipig is no longer offering its service and I need to use my computer in hot-spots. Listening to you and Leo, I know I need a VPN, but I cannot afford a server as I am not up to speed on running it. I am waiting for your VPN service BUT in the meantime I need a...
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- Leo Laporte
Steve's Answer: it's ad-supported. Read the privacy policy. Steve can't recommend. Stick with http://hotspotvpn.com - not free but private.
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 02 ] - Bob Carneim in Oak Ridge, TN says: "web then flash cookies . . . what's next?" Hi Guys… I try to stay ahead of the curve . . . I've been deleting flash cookies for, probably, a couple of years now just using the Advanced settings panel of the Flash plug-in. But what's next? What tracking method is out there that I don't know about yet?
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 03 ] - Bill Barnes in Charlotte wonders about "Punching holes in the wall"... I frequently need to get to a computer from the Internet. I figure "OK, I know who needs access, so I'll let them in. Then I open a port in my router pointed at one computer and open the same port in the computer's firewall. Then someone challenged me about opening that port in the firewall: "Isn't...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 04 ] - Joe Dorward in Bracknell Forest, England echoes a common question... Steve, Going back over the parent's and passwords "issue" (where people who just don't "get it" cannot be induced to care and take greater precautions) I remember you've mentioned in the past that writing down a really good password is better than memorizing a poor one, and something about assessing...
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- Leo Laporte
leo can you ask him if he has an opinion about passwordmaker?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
(that's the open source one that you said you were interested in)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Question [ 05 ] - Paul Bye in Rochester, MN is being annoyed by DNS results being "altered" by ISPs... Dear Steve, I thought I'd pass this along as you and listeners of Security Now might find it interesting. You've discussed this topic on previous shows but I don't remember you ever mentioning this in particular. My ISP (Charter) recently made changes to their DNS so that, like many...
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- Leo Laporte
... The problem I (and so many other people probably) have is that this is altering the fundamental way DNS is supposed to work, and causing all TCP/IP based programs that depend on DNS to not work correctly. The first major problem I hit after this change is trying to connect to my company's network with their VPN client - something I depend on heavily to do my work. I can still...
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- Leo Laporte
Randal Schwartz recommends Level3's DNS servers: 4.2.2.N for N = 1 to 6 - they return the proper NXDOMAIN when a domain doesn't exist. Steve says they're not quite as stable and reliable as one would hope. They're using Anycast - 4.2.2.3 is less reliable for example.
- Leo Laporte
I remember my ISP began redirected traffic like that a few years ago, but it quickly stopped and they haven't tried that again since.
- 321
Question [ 06 ] - One for Leo to answer... Rod Duckworth in Sydney Australia wonders about Old Security Now podcasts... Hi Steve, you wont remember me but I have spoken to you on the phone a couple of times some years back re: SpinRrite. I am a long time SpinRite user and always loved it. I have owned an IT company called Hi-Speed Networking in Sydney Australia for some 20 years now,...
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- Leo Laporte
Leo replies: RSS feeds were never intended to include ALL the available files for a show (or blog or whatever). If we were to put al 212 episodes of Security Now in the feed it would be several hundred KB. Multiply that by several downloads a day from 50,000 subscribers and you'll see why we prefer to only list the 20 most recent shows in our RSS feeds. iTunes shows only the contents of...
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- Leo Laporte
Question • [ 07 ] - John Prince in Somerset UK had a disquieting dialog with Netgear re: the WPA Crack: Hello Steve, As a avid listener to Security Now from Episode One, I know you will be discussing this matter on the show, and thought you might be interested in the reply I received from NetGear [see below] about my own Router, which is only a couple of years old. I realize that this...
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- Leo Laporte
every thing is working great now hi how are u from georgia
- daveccorey
Question [ 08 ] - Grant McMillan in Brisbane, Australia wonders about "Decrypting Today's Data Trivially in The Future"... Hi Steve, Given the exponential growth in computing power these days it seems that any encryption method used today could eventually be cracked quite easily. Would it be possible for a person to record packets today with the intention of cracking them once it becomes trivial in years or even decades from now? Thanks for the great podcast!
- Leo Laporte
I wanna say yes but I think I fall more in the "Hell if I know" category. :)
- pea
Yes. But I don't think new features will be implemented.
- imabonehead
FriendFeed with "improvements" ? FriendFeed as we know it today? Or friendfeed.com as a site? Yes, no, yes are my guesses. Two years no, no, no.
- Brian Sullivan
Well, very probably. But I don't think that I'll be here, myself.
- directeur
Yes, it will exist. And it will have more users. But with the expected demographic associated with the anticipated influx, I doubt I will be as interested in the service. For me, I'll wait and see who the Friendfeed community will be before I decide to invest further or cut my losses.
- Lorin Olsen
:) you've said that since Friendfeed launched directeur! :)
- Zee.
Friendfeed has always been about community and dialog. And I used the tool to test/sense the zeitgeist of tech luminaries that I respected. Twitter is a megaphone; Facebook is the shopping mall. I wanted Freindfeed to be the quiet coffee shop. But Friendfeed may now be over-run by a collection of nattering nabobs. If so, I'll go find a quieter shop where I can have deep and meaningful discussions. Disqus, anyone?
- Lorin Olsen
Easily yes, although "here" could mean "the website is still searchable."
- John E. Bredehoft
I fear not. The equation is [FF = (feeds+people+conversation) * interesting]. If interesting people and contents will migrate in another place, all their friends will follow them. Since FF will be not mainstream, no other people will replace them and so maybe there's not reason to let this service open. I'm afraid about this, really, but I think that a cloud architecture could be the right place for early adopters
- Roberto
It will likely still exist but the real question is if it will keep it's popularity.
- Stephen
Yes, in one way or another. The problem is, people are fleeing just because FB bought it...if too many goes away, whats the point keeping it up? Websites like this has to grow bigger and bigger or else they'll die. If FB wouldn't have bought it, I think FF would have died sooner or later anyway.
- Patrik Johansson
Yes, it will probably be around. Will it be recognizable as the Friendfeed we all know and love? I am much less confident about this. :o(
- Seth Greenblatt
Yes, and hopefully with many more users than now, thanks to the fb acquisition.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yes - still the cleanest way to have intelligent conversations.
- Alan Morris
yes - they serve different markets. Facebook is for keeping in touch with friends. Friendfeed is for sharing ideas with people who share similar interests but who you may have never met.
- Simon Hicks
Yes..It is going to be here as it provides a cusp of Twitter and Facebook.. as i see it so there is a room for it to stay here longer
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Well I get the impression from Paul that it will be around for a while so I'd say yes but Facebook will gobble it up at some point (whenever the contract states). The team have been split up and thus fewer people are working and maintaining it. Let's hope some sort of FB Lite will accommodate us... but I doubt it.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe it will be integrated in facebook, but the innovations that friendfeed have will then move over to facebook, because they are awesome
- alfred westerveld
Friendfeed yes, the need to use it, no.
- Dani Radu
That's up and to the right. I am now reading almost 30 percent more feeds than I was reading a month ago. Bring it on. And RSS powers everything - not just feed readers.
- Louis Gray
Pubsubhubbub is making RSS even faster. RSS is behind FriendFeed, LazyFeed, and every relevant aggregator. This argument is so silly.
- Louis Gray
Twitter's a great basic RSS reader for headlines and more realtime/'now' stuff. Not ditching NetNewsWire/Google Reader for actual post material anytime soon though.
- BeauGiles
I agree, but RSS could do with a few upgrades here and there though (I just want to comment on blogs straight from the feed itself).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Couldn't agree more. Sure, it might turn into more 'plumbing' for many users, but RSS is far from dead.
- Brad Kellett
My headline? RSS: interesting or boring? (Hint @marshallk and @louisgray, we’re not normal)
- Robert Scoble
I never said I was normal. Just that I am kicking ass at my job. :) And that anyone else who wants to ought really read feeds. imho
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Agree with Marshall (and Scoble). I believe the best information producers are those who consume lots of information. Know your craft and use the best tools.
- Louis Gray
Marshall: you can read the feeds. The real news lately is being broken in Twitter. But I'm glad someone reads all those feeds so I don't have to!
- Robert Scoble
The signal to noise ratio in feeds is 10x to 100x better than Twitter, though. Even if you do prune your list of Twitter folks (as you have), much of what is there is not news-related.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the news ticker. If you rely on the ticker to inform your opinion of the world... Good luck
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I had no clue why anyone would use Dave Winer's Twitter OPML tool to get all tweets from friends via RSS. But I tried it anyway and discovered that it's easier to find the really relevant stuff when you get tweets via RSS. I can skim through 1,000 tweets in a few minutes and separate the signal from the noise much more efficiently. And, of course, it's all searchable in GReader.
- Dominic Jones
I'm with Louis on this. RSS is far from over. Like Louis, the number of feeds I'm subscribed to is on the increase, too. Services like Lazyfeed and Toluu are making it far easier for me to discover great new content.
- Andrew Terry
RSS is critical to the growth of the social web, and is growing quickly. It will eventually be replaced by friendlier, less protocol centric technologies that shield the user from the mess that is ATOM/RSS etc.
- William Toll
completely agree. google reader is a great feed reader and is getting better GUI wise by the week. great avenue for syndication via friendfeed
- James Butler
from BuddyFeed
Taking into account that Im far from been an expert, I want to leave a thought. What if the way of use is simply different I mean, ok twitter is real time while RSS has some minutes delay, but in any case if I receive 900 hits/day I will not be able to read them all as they come so I dont see the problem on getting some delay.To me is just a question of leaving the noise on Twitter as is much more quick to read and pass through the news & info and get the selected ones on RSS for better storage and record.
- Luis Guijarro
RSS needs a proper comment API, so you can fetch all recent comments on all posts in one call from a blog - with threading if the site supports that.
- Richard Cunningham
That particular person was serving up link bait
- Dave Hodson
Dave: links are dead. Or so says the same person (Steve Gillmor).
- Robert Scoble
I stopped using Google reader a couple of years ago and I now just read it in the stream with my Twitter, Facebook, Flickr mixed in (in FriendBinder [disclosure: I wrote FriendBinder]) I'm not sure why other people don't do something similar.
- Richard Cunningham
Stuart: life streaming is a headline with a link. For the most part.
- Robert Scoble
Google reader is a great tool...if you keep it to only important and feeds that matters to you
- testbeta
louis agreed I love using google reader. great tool.
- (jeff)isageek
I love RSS and losing it would change how I work (and play), but I really wish it would be more mainstream. I work in technical sales and I bet <30% of that group even uses RSS day to day. I bet for the non-techies it is closer to 10%.
- Bill Grant
Love RSS and Reader both, my feed reading is rising day by day!
- Ahad Bokhari
I can't seem to stop reading. Anyone else using Feedly in conjunction with Google Reader?
- ronnieledesma
RSS is an essential part of many things now. The argument is irrelevant and though I'd never say they were wrong, they are misdirected or trying to get a reaction. :)
- James Stratford
I use FF, Twitter and Google Reader for different things. Twitter and FF are far more about Buzz and the conversations around the topics. In Reader I aggregate many different original sources together. There is less need for it to be on-the-spot live, but it needs to be deeper and more detailed to be of value, and it is. They serve different purposes for me.
- Robert
Lately, I've been dumping select Twitter & FF feeds into Google Reader, as well as Posterous feeds, so even though I'm using all of these services, GR has now become more of a hub for me. Also: gReactions gives me a sense of how popular a feed item is. I would wish GR would incorporate these kinds of services so I could get more metadata about a feed item.
- phil baumann
Ughh, no, I believe the RSS is dead mantra arose from the real time Twitter phenomenon, however, us smarties know you gotta verify your sources & our attention spans MORE than the space of 140 characters. Catch that, the dual use of metaphor...attention "spans" MORE...As per myself, I read more articles via RSS feeds than ever as well.
- sofarsoShawn
So am I but not in Google reader, I read mine on my desktop in my e-mail program, they come to me, I don't go 'looking for them' I love RSS!
- Sandra Large
Say, don't Twitter streams have RSS feeds? The icon's right there at the bottom of the sidebar...
- Dennis Jernberg
RSS is very alive and well and dare I say, even young. With tech news, there aren't necessarily thousands of sources like with general business news, etc. Where RSS will be big is in who can create the best filters for those larger niches. But the RSS readers we have today don't support all the features we'd need to create those filters. Google Reader management taps out at maybe 1500 feeds in Chrome, the most of any reader that can export opml (not just rss like Friendfeed).
- beersage
I agree that the problem with RSS is filtering. If something changed the way I use the Net was RSS, but now the volume is so great that unless you prune your feeds regularly you can end up with a lot of garbage. Most average users don't have any idea of what RSS is and that's something that can't cease to amaze me.
- Angel B
RSS & EMAIL are not dead. They are getting better and faster. PUSH tech can push anything. Push Email on mobile devices is just as fast as twitter. And now we are going to PUSH RSS/ATOM. Twitter is different, yet the same. Sure, maybe a news headline will break first on twitter but will I see it before I see it in my inbox or reader? Prob not because I'm not frozen staring at a twitter...
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- sull
I am so glad I re-read that. I though you paid 3.99 for a Twinkie. Then I was wondering what would a twitter app called Twinkie do while I was still thinking of the food. My brain scares me at times.
- Brent - Loving Life
Tweetie is nice. It's one of the few iPhone apps I've paid for.
- Derrick
I hope you used an iTunes card to buy it, cheaper that way.
- Bryce Roney
Could be worse. I bought all the FriendFeed apps I could think of so I could do a bake-off post... and then FB happened, so I figured what was the point? Aggregate cost? Between $20 and $30.
- Louis Gray
I think the same, though the reason might differ.. primarily because the trouble with interacting with the right people is quite difficult.. plus you often end up without any interaction at all, which sort of wastes all efforts
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Apparently Snow Leopard is coming to Australia on the 28th of August and the Pre-order link on the Australian Apple website doesn't work. How many of you are going to upgrade and how many are going to hold back for a while?
Upgrade ASAP. Can't wait. I'm going to see if I'm going to buy it Online or in the shops later today.
- Michel
I'm quite keen to upgrade but i think the sensible thing is to wait for a bit before i take the plunge and see what others have to say about it. So i'm going to pre-order but wait until i upgrade :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Amazing, how people can't take a joke. Steve, lighten up. Michael no hard feelings. Big reader of Tech Crunch.
- Matt Ruiz
Matt -- Comic timing support has not been moved from the beta testing area of FriendFeed so reading with a sense of meter is rather limited without prior knowledge of the author or the dreaded ASCII smiley contingent. You might try [emotive wrappers] or ending with a "j/k" or any of a number of items... this is just text after all. Google Wave even lets you stick our your tongue in a given wavelet via :p :P :p variation and dexterous use of delete through blips. This isn't Google Wave. Oh yeah... :-D
- Jay Cuthrell
Meh. IIRC, the last time you were on FF, your feed was little more than a stream of your RSS feeds with a few comments here and there. I'll extend the welcome mat if you interact and engage more this time around.
- EricaJoy
Awesome, glad to see you back on FF Mike! I look forward to your posts, comments and insights. Hopefully your experience will be much better this time around. Welcome back! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
After abandoning the iPhone at a point where it started to be really useful, the most counter-intuitive move from Michael this year.
- Oliver Reichenstein
This is my first mac; almost two years old now. But when I get a new one next year, the essential ones will be: Quicksilver, Adium, Skitch, Aperture, iWork, Things, Evernote, Photoshop. Prolly Twitterific too, if it is still as good then.
- Parth Awasthi
What I run on a regular basis: Launchbar, Adium, Aperture, Evernote, Yojimbo, BBEdit, TweetDeck, Firefox, Photoshop.
- ronin
Every week when I get a new Mac (I wish) it's Adium, Quicksilver, Growl, Fluidapp and Mailplane first.
- Peter van Teeseling
Shimo (I guess that also means a Cisco VPN client), Office 2008 (but I've only had one new Mac) [edit: Remote Desktop Client, Firefox, Citrix]
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TextWranger, Adium, 1Password, CS4 and Final Cut Pro
- dthree
Tweetdeck, Adium, Skype, Firefox, Dreamweaver, and Photoshop.
- Garin Kilpatrick
adium, perian, growl, netbeans, smultron, cyberduck
- Osman Üngür
Scott - last time it was CS3 with Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Dreamweaver
- Robert DeBord
Quicksilver, TextMate, DefaultFolder X, TextExpander, Developer Tools (incl. XCode), iWork, MacPorts and then LaTeX, Hazel, Adium, BibDesk, Carbon Copy Cloner, Colloquy, Gimp, ImageJ, iPhotoLibraryManager, MainActOn, MailTags, Matlab, OmniALL, Snapz Pro X, SpiritedAway, Transmit
- Jason Miller
This thread is great for the sole reason that I've asked myself, "ooh, whats that?" about a dozen times already. Ooh, and I'll toss in AppFresh as the first thing I put on.
- Mark Howell
Announcing FreeFeed, A Free/OpenSource FriendFeed Client: This is the project I've been working on during the past several days. It's a simple desktop client for *nix systems and enables the user to post entries easily. its not finished yet but I announce it now to get some feedback and also feature requests before I release it next week :)
nice. .. will you have shortcuts there? and ability to post at least 10000 chars, and widgets, practically a new webpage as a post - that is what FF should have in the first place :]
- Petr Buben
Does that mean you got a little sleep?
- Anne Bouey
Good news? People like Paul don't usually get in the office so early especially after a lack of sleep, on a Monday morning, if there wasn't a great reason.
- Louis Gray
Aww Man, see now I am not going to get any sleep tonight! DAMN YOU PAUL and your teasing little smiley face. OK, must go and get some coffee!
- Travis Koger
O.k., I'll smile too :) (and open my ears and eyes)
- Martha
10 bucks says that they add emoticons soon. :)
- Joe Beda ()
This emoticon makes a little more sense now...
- Stephen Foskett
Guessing this was about the Facebook announcement?
- Ben Hedrington
Paul, will you respond to this? This is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but distracted by Facebook and with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone. Middle of the road: Facebook forces its ads into the timeline and friendfeed starts acting like Facebook by ignoring its users.
- tollie williams
@tollie, I imagine Paul's ability to respond is now constrained, which is just one of the changes we'll see coming. There's new management in town, folks.
- Ken Kennedy
Congratulations Paul - I am very proud of you... no wonder you couldn't sleep! :) Now we know why! As you know, I am a huge fan of your FriendFeed product. I am very happy for you guys and hope you keep your fabulous culture of innovation going strong. This is really amazing.... nice exit! :)
- Susan Beebe
I have been wishing facebook could get more like Friendfeed :) awesome.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :(((
- FFTornado
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook.
- Steven Cains
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- Kandeezie
from fftogo
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats.
- Ian Tindale
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account.
- Ian Tindale
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
What's it going to be called? Failbook?
- Ian Tindale
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- jcunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less.
- Matthew Blaisdell
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- jcunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- jcunwired
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed?
- Patrik Johansson
Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections?
- Patrik Johansson
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- jcunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Anderson
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition.
- Richard Merritt
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is.
- Richard Merritt
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get.
- Liviu Barbat
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
Why not wait to see what happens down the line. They may still be run separately.
- Rene Wirtz
WTF, Haggis has me blocked now....I was hoping he would do a last days extra special compilation of Zooey and the redhead from Weeds......
- Matthew DeVries
@Johnny: They have stated their interest in integrating in the long term, but I doubt that will be happening soon.
- 321
Rene: I hope they run separately. I don't think I can start using facebook... I might just end up on Twitter, again.
- Johnny
Yeah. Twitter willbe wellcoming anti-Facebook Freindfeed refugees with open arms.....
- Roberto Bonini
Facebook VP Products Chris Cox and Friendfeed cofounder Bret Taylor won’t talk deal terms or even if the deal was stock, cash or a mix (likely all stock or mostly stock). Friendfeed has raised just $5 million in an early 2008 financing, and is backed by Benchmark Capital.
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
Taylor said “this is an 11th hour deal,” (sounds like it was finalized last week and there was quite a party) but that the two companies have been talking for some time. “Things heated up in the last couple of weeks,” he said, after the two were on a panel together at the Real Time CrunchUp on July 10.
- Mitchell Tsai
We’ve heard from one source that, like the 2007 Parakey acquisition, the deal is largely a talent acquisition by Facebook, and less about the Friendfeed product. Friendfeed has 12 employees, and all but one are engineers.
- Mitchell Tsai
Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.
- Mitchell Tsai
Friendfeed will move out of their Mountain View offices and join Facebook at their Palo Alto headquarters shortly, Taylor said.
- Mitchell Tsai
The clearest message about FF's future: "Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook."
- 321