"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
Now you're just getting lazy with your scripts!
- Mike Nayyar
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- Tinfoil 2.0
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- Tinfoil 2.0
So it's since Tuesday huh? The ultimate thread. How will the thread die then? We must have a limit for that, let's say 24h without one comment.
- Zu from AOD
As a side note, I do have to applaud the endurance and pettiness of those of us on FriendFeed. No one on Facebook gave this status update a second look!
- Mike Nayyar
We pride ourselves in our pettiness and obsessiveness. Um, wait.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Remember. It's not whole Scoble likes. It's who likes Scoble.
- Akiva
According to FriendFeed, that's everyone. And some Twitter marketers and SEO experts.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike will get in the last word. Eventually. Everyone else is an idiot for playing his little game. Me included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not actually playing. Or, if I am, I'm playing to lose.
- Akiva
HAHA! You see that? Robert Scoble acknowledges I will eventually win! HAHA! FINALLY! For once in my life, I win! :) :) :) :) Unless Logical shows up...
- Mike Nayyar
Only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We're testing the limit on the number of comments.
- DGentry
Nah, the FFundercats live chat pushed that one way over the top. We are, however, testing the limits oh how sick people are getting of setting my face.
- Mike Nayyar
This thread has a lot of comments, that must mean Mike is an expert of some kind...or maybe an A-Lister. Must stalk^H^H^H^H^Hinvestigate him...
- Rah-PM 2012
Olympus too? Good thing Logical doesn't know any Japanese mythological figures.
- Mike Nayyar
All right, if you're going to play that way, Raijin AND Ajisukitakahikone are BOTH mad at you. And Raijin was especially unhappy because you interrupted his NOMmage of children's bellybuttons.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Dude, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Raijin put down the platter.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We'd be content, of course, if you (Mike) issued a public retraction of the assertion in your post, followed by allowing someone else to post the last comment in the thread ;-)
- Tinfoil 2.0
805 comments!! I'm afraid to click on the more link....
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nicholas, as long as it's not Mike, it's irrelevant.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm sad that Logical saw this Facebook status.
- Mike Nayyar
You know at some point, expanding this comment will really put a strain on mortal browsers. It already has a 3 second pause to expand it.
- Mark Philpot
I wonder if at some point we will hit a soft limit and FF won't let it keep going. That or they look at this as a great high-bounds test case for the system.
- Sparky, lurking
Great experiment there, I'm somewhat scared opening the thread here. Funny thing, Even the explosion of words spawned through this, making it a wordle madness. http://www.wordle.net/gallery...
- Zu from AOD
I'm scared to expand the comment thread :)
- Roberto Bonini
There are few computers with the processing power capable of handling the comments in this thread. Except for, you know, quantum computers.
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
i'm afraid to click on the link to see all comments. so i'm just typing this so another guy (or gal) can read it and comment to make this comment disappear.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
If anyone gets these emails in their gmail and got sick and tired of them like me, just press 'm' to mute the conversation (if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled) (haha i got the last word)
- Daniel Morgan
No you just don't know I posted this.
- John D Reasor
cant the person that started this block the comments now? and thereby win.
- Morgan
If you can get buddy buddy with mike and figure out his schedule, you can prevent him from stopping the comments because you'll always be able to get the last word in. We must prevail for great justice!
- Jonathan Hardesty
That would be cheating, and he knows it :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's how the FriendFeed Mob rolls. :-D
- Steven Perez
from IM
you didn't disable the comments yet? you could comment and then do it and then you really would get the last word. but then again, that's cheating. and cheaters never prosper.
- Trish Haley
You're not supposed to make sense of it. It exits only as an opaque, monolithic data structure that is constantly being updated and evolving. ;)
- Tyson Key
Attempting to parse it in a manner that is not approved by FriendFeed, Inc may result in disruption of the space-time continuum, and a series of Bad Things(R) occurring.
- Tyson Key
not only does it make julian fries, but it slices and dices in in seconds. ORDER NOW and you'll get this special gift ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!!!11!!1ONE!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it not knowing what it was, and it'll keep on going no matter what just because this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it.....
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
welcome back my friends, to the thread that never ends, we're so glad you could attend, step inside, step inside.
- Mike Nencetti
MISSILES FOR ALL! Gun control is for unarmed wussies! Blow away comment limits! Damn the torpedoes! FULL STEAM AHEAD!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
Test conducted to see how long this can last.
- Ashish
it'll never die, with all the wireless cards out there transmitting this, it'll reach alpha centuari in about 300 years.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
It's not because I'm a person who wants to have the last word, but just because you people keep me reminding that there are others that do want that very badly, that causes me to comment here once again. HI! I'M BETTER THAN MIKE NAYYAR!!!!!!! LOSER! :-)
- Ton Zijp
This IS the time and place to announce a gathering of the societal beginnings of the intrepid adventures of... Wait... sorry, this isn't the place? Oh, okay, I'll go back home then.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
I was able to expand this thread on my Droid incredible, and post this comment at the end. Nice test of Dolphin HD browser.(edit - I use the default FF web page.)
- Mike Nencetti
from Android
If I get the last word in, will I get .LAG's World Series tix???
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
It's been a while, Mr. LastWordThreat. I did some good things these recent months. Care to share some of your insights while you were on that trip? TLDR. 8) (2K+ comments is massive hehe, we're getting to your second b-day)
- Zu from AOD
All I want for Christmas are my two front teef.
- Mike Nayyar
Eventually, you will win. Because you're not married to this thread. But if you ever marry...your trend of always getting the last word will end. Painfully.
- Bubba Botts
This thread must go away!!! What if it kills FF!?
- SAM
this thread could go away right now. but you people keep posting comments...wait....didn't I just do the same thing? OK, nevermind. Long live this Thread!!!!
- Morgan
I heard Nayyar had to get in the The Last Word, always. I talked to the casting director, and Mike Nayyar got the lead in The Last Word.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
this is the last one -------------->>> WORD!
- .LAG liked that
Every middle brings another middle. When the world ends, will this comment be toward the end of the thread, or toward the beginning?
- John E. Bredehoft
You guys!!! This post will forever break FF if we're not careful.
- SAM
Yeah, we should all totally stop bumping this post.
- Slippy
I'm surprised Friendfeed can still expand this thread.
- Morton Fox
OMG, doesn't even want to image what would happen if Nayyar tried to use #fftop20. Actually I kind of do, but I bet it would be slow. Scores would be off the charts though.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Probably still under 9000, people should try harder.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Here in West Hollywood, my best friend of 18 years and his boyfriend are getting married. So yes, I get to be a groomsman at a gay wedding - prop 8 or not. Should be awesome.
- Louis Gray
It was a fantastic ceremony. One of the best weddings I have ever seen. It was traditional Jewish themed, so I am wearing a yarmulke to match the vest and tie. Lots of great friends from my teenage years.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Louis, I own a yarmulke as well - my wife brought it for me when she visited Israel
- Jesse Stay
+ a million for the whole thread. Looks like you're picking up some admirers here, Louis! Nylissk, we gotta warn you, you're ging after a married man with many admirers. You want a piece of this guy, you're gonna have to get in line - like filing a lien on a house with five mortgages and a line of credit, with outstanding remodeling bills. ;-)
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Hey, who is this guy from the past. Has he come to warn us about the future?
- Eric
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- The original Kevin
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just remember- this is not a competition, just an exhibition. @Kyle - ever been to Culver, IN? Grew up there before moving to Chicago.
- michael sean wright
Nice: I have been to Culver! You are in Chicago now? I will have to let you know next time I am up your way.
- Kyle Lacy
Not sure about that, but: "Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future and time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present all time is unredeemable." - Swatch, Always Now, 1997 (and yes my lunch, at 1:42am local, is consisting of a double martini so that actually makes some sense to me)
- David HC Soul
are you saying that time "now" has no meaning? i (obv.) reject this but toast your willingness to acknowledge the wisdom of a dean martin martini. now, for you sir, on to the work of most importance. focus on the permanent.
- michael sean wright
Well, I will grant that the sentiment of French Marshall Lyautey has some merit (he asked his gardener to plant a tree and when the gardener objected that the tree was slow growing and would not reach maturity for 100 years the Marshall was said to have replied, 'In that case, there is no time to lose; plant it this afternoon!').... So I am off to plant some trees....
- David HC Soul
you, i like. and will point you to Hermann Hesse before he won the Nobel Prize for 'The Glass Bead Game' in which he wrote in in the idyllic poem "Hours in the Garden" (1936)- 'I hear music and see men of the past and future. I see wise men and poets and scholars and artists harmoniously building the hundred-gated cathedral of the Mind." - (forword to Glass Bead Game by by Hermann Hesse by Theodore Ziolkowski.)
- michael sean wright
Thanks for the pointer - I'll go search it out.
- David HC Soul
I hope so. The thought is consuming much of my waking hours these days.... But I have to be up in 5 hours... so will have to return to the 'nightcrew' tomorrow night. One thing about time is it does seem to age one....
- David HC Soul
sleep perchance to dream, a wise man said. Billy Shakespeare.
- michael sean wright
Then pause now to ask yourself the following question: "Am I dreaming or awake, right now?"
- David HC Soul
man, most of the ppl who liked this i haven't seen on FF in ages. maybe i'm doing it wrong.
- Joe The Sausage
for most of us we met here, stayed loyal here but the sun set long ago : ( what a rush of a time that was! now we find ourselves over at g+ telling stories of the good ol' days!
- michael sean wright
Meme-inless no more! always been an interesting world with you!
- michael sean wright
oh and... i do have some google+ invites left - email me nicefishfilms at g ma i l dot co m
- michael sean wright
I'm curious now - did google + make you come back to FF? Because that is v interesting.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
yes, we did the podcast when ff was acquired by the book of face.. watched them absorb the real-time elements and i check in from time to time usually through this post as it brings back very fond memories. google + reminds me of the early days of ff - haven't felt that way about any of the social nets that have come since the facedbooked swallow up. heaven knows we've been on them all and they seem so ancient now -- quora anyone? google got it right with +. think it marks the next era for them.
- michael sean wright
Google + right now does remind me of the FF glory days and I am curious to see what happens next.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
After the claim that http://friendfeed.com/rahshee... wouldn't start a meme, I had to at least give it a try. This is mildly better to look at than the original that the lickers came from (you know which image I'm talking about, I refuse to link to it).
I knew the "Remove It Permanently" Firefox addon would come in handy.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
Since I can't hide this by going to "My discussions" page, I'm commenting now so it'll appear in my home page with the "Hide" Link! #smartiam
- directeur
Only about 1040 more comments to go until we overtake the original!
- Andy Bakun
Bonnie, who has the talent? I hope you're not referring to me, this is the shittiest photoshopping (well, GIMPing), I've ever done. That being said, I spent way too much time on it when I did it.
- Andy Bakun
Now accepting suggestions for heads to paste on this body.
- Andy Bakun
Crap...there are dudes licking my chest. So highly unacceptable. On the plus side, I look huge in this pic. LOL.
- Rah-PM 2012
At this point, I'm not sure we can be confident this is actually your chest. I call Possible Shinanigans.
- Andy Bakun
there are undoubtably shenanigans, but I think it is Rah's chest.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Andy could probly supply source for the Rah chest..
- Joe The Sausage
I will acknowledge I got it off friendfeed, but the assertion of who's it is is not legitimately authenticated. We're gonna have to see a Certificate of Authenticity for this chest.
- Andy Bakun
Hao, this is awesome! Remember how people were saying in the FF Feedback room, how they'd like services to be linked, but not important the feeds? THIS is the temp. solution. WOW. Are you going to implement a way to filter individually?
- Mona Nomura
It doesn't actually do that, Mona. If your account is in Friendfeed, it goes into your feed. Hao Chen is merely making it easier to get the URLs from FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
Looks great. I guess I'll have to look into Social Graph API a bit deeper. It's so much faster than FF API for network data.
- Benedikt Koehler
Oops, I meant UN-LINK services so it'll stop pulling into their feed BUT still enable their friends to link to their respective accounts. Thank you for catching that, Mark.
- Mona Nomura
It should be possible to use the Social Graph API to find services that are not imported into Friendfeed as well as friends' services not on FF. It's a bit tricky because it requires a lot of separate requests. Right now, it's only using the SG API to find your subscriptions across the services you import on FF.
- Hao Chen
Thanks, just don't look at the source code. LOL
- Hao Chen
Hao, this is awesome, this is going to save me so much time! Thanks!
- Shey
Very cool. However, my tiny brain is not grokking " Remove Connections Already Subscribed To". Please to explain.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, it's not very accurate, but it's supposed to remove links to people's accounts on the other networks you already subscribe to. For example, if I already subscribe to Bob on Twitter, it might remove the link to Bob's Twitter page in the big list.
- Hao Chen
very kool Hao....Im finding my fellow FF on other services!
- (jeff)isageek
Hao, this is very cool; I just used it to great success friending last.fm users.
- Pete D
Hao, since I am the lone step child, any idea why it would not work for me. I typed in my ID, nothing happens, no spinning wheel indicating it is thinking. Just looks at my sad face....LOL.
- R. Ferguson
Hoa - This is great. Can you add Blip.fm?
- Russellreno
this is so awesome Hao - great job!!!!!!!! look out for random add notifications from me :)
- Morgan
How does that work?I type in some user name in it,nothing happen...
- Steve Chou
Steve, what browser are you using? Any JavaScript errors?
- Hao Chen
Glad to hear you guys are finding uses for it. @Russell Right now, the list of services it displays is the list of services being imported by people's FF accounts, and since Blip.fm isn't a supported service yet, I can't add that in easily. I'll think about how to use the Social Graph API more effectively to do those things though.
- Hao Chen
This is just excellent, not wholly accurate like you say but brilliant. Now all I need is to add more contacts on FF ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Never seems to work for my own username.
- Andrew Trinh
Thanks, guys. :) Andrew, ah, looks like Social Graph doesn't see your FF subscriptions for some reason. http://socialgraph-resources.g... I'll re-code this using the Friendfeed API to get your subscriptions later.
- Hao Chen
Very cool Hao! I like seeing which less-common services people actually use. My list (and top 25 services) is http://friendfeed.com/e... Does your system count me twice for YouTube because I have 2 YouTubes? (seems like it might, from the Blog counts).
- Mitchell Tsai
It's not working for me either when I input my username.
- Steve Lowe
Ditto steplow. Looks like it should be awesome but sadly it's drawing a blank for my username. :(
- David Young
Dear Mona vahid is kind boy , dont attend to his comment :D
- Mil∂d
@Mona, hadn't seen it, no -- sheesh. It's even better bigger.
- Marko Bon
AAA وحید از دست رفتی که:))))))))))))))))))))))
- Zahra HB
اِ اِ اِ؟ زهرا جان شما چرا؟ این لینک فقط در راستای استحکام روابط بین الملل و ترویج فرهنگ نوع دوستی ایرانیان بود و بس، اگرنه شاعر میگه دختر ایرونی مثل گله هرکی نخوره خله
- Vahid۹Online
Sweet, i was thinking of doing that, but i've got some really good space bg's already...
- Chris Heath
I like the part where Scoble the Hulk pops up in the grey box in the corner about 200 times every day to say hello. Hi little green Scoble! Now, sit down, I'm trying to work here.
- Sheree Motiska
Maybe it's time for a "you know you're addicted to FriendFeed when..." meme. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Don't believe Steve. He's got other desktops with Posterous and GMail themes that he uses when he claims he's in love w/ them. ; )
- Rex Hammock
Funny, I just saved that same background image to my desktop. Just need to shrink it a bit from its 18,000x18,000 dimension :)
- Jan Ole Peek
I love FriendFeed so much that I created my very first Greasemonkey script for it just now to improve the usability: "Sidebar Tweak" fixes the sidebar in place despite scrolling, which alone is worth its weight in gold. I use the Helvetica theme, and the rest of the changes are meant for it, to tighten up things to show more items, as well as highlight the user's own comments in light-blue: http://userscripts.org/scripts... Try it and let me know what you think.
- Alex Schleber
I like that script, very useful! I changed position of the sidebar in my version to right:50px instead of left:900px so the sidebar does not cover the content area on smaller screen. Also the headers of the sidebar items was weird on the grassland theme i'm currently using. I fixed it by removing botton-margin on the .box-bar.
- Jesper Lind
Oh yeah, a nice blue box on my comment, thanks for the script!
- Jesper Lind
I still haven't met a FF application I could stand to use for more than a few minutes.
- Craig Eddy
I saw an early alpha of the iPhone app. Looked good. I also saw an early alpha of Seesmic web and the way it advanced between the alpha and launch was dramatic - so I expect the iPhone client will track the same way.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Robert that's really great. I definitely will consider switching back when the Seesmic iPhone app arrives.
- Vinko
Will get me,too, switched back to using Seesmic ;) Looking forward to hear from Loic soon
- Ali BULUT
This might just tempt me away from Tweetdeck...
- Andrew Terry
If they add friendfeed to the web app, I'll maybe use it instead of PeopleBrowsr. But then again, peoplebrowsr has implemented friendfeed in a very good way already.
- Svartling
You gotta keep an eye on Yahoo homepage. They have FB integration and someday may integrate Twitter (they have the 'what are you doing now'). Seesmic is way ahead, but Yahoo has mainstream adoption
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I agree. The new Yahoo homepage is impressive.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Im not sure it's impressive, as it's evolutionary, not revolutionary. When Wave comes out, it could dash the shine that Yahoo has.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Where do I sign up! I'm praying your web app will make my life of FF, FB, Twitter ETC more manageable!!!!! W/out crashing my puters AND still let me see my Home feeds!
- Arleen Boyd
I'm thinking that this is the type of post that would be good reason for FriendFeed to have a "Love" click option next to the "Like" click option so that we can register better levels of our emotion towards news we read in others' streams!
- Chris Aldrich
The previous due date was the 8th of December. The doctor today told us that he puts her as due on the 27th of November and it's going to be a girl! I'm so excited!!! =D
- David Cook
Can i ask, the Dr told you it was a girl from the above scan? In the UK, they arent allowed to tell you the sex anymore unless you ask for the 4D scan which costs!
- Alan (Giraffes)
The doc was very confident in the scan. He showed us the lack of boy parts and moved on. He said no one has ever come back and told him he was wrong.
- David Cook
from fftogo
Congratulations David!!!!!!! that is great news!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Thank you everyone! =D Debbie is already planning the girly clothes and we're going through our name book tomorrow. We both agree that we want something pretty short. Nothing more than 2 syllables.
- David Cook
Is that the latest from Google Labs?? Babies delivered by email? Great no more morning sickness, and mood swings! I'm sure it's still in beta...
- Daan
It's great having service icons removed from the posts, that way we focus more on the content rather than the source of the information. That way users won't ignore certain services subconsciously because they've noticed a service icon, rather users ignore a post because it's just not interesting.
I hadn't anticipated it, but it seems so evident now.
- Micah
Some how I think people's hidden filters should be reset just because it's a new way to see FriendFeed. Before people probably just hid all these services because one person kept flooding it.
- Andrew Trinh
I never liked how FF posts get more activity than posts from other services. I always saw FF as meta to all the services you can import so why should it matter if an item was shared on Google Reader or posted directly to FF. The other trend I don't like to see is people ripping off Reddit or Digg by copying and pasting the headline and linking directly to the article, giving no credit to the original.
- Graham English
For me it helps sort whether content is likely to be original or shared. Now I still look for that first, and it just wastes my time, having to find it amongst the rest of the text.
- Lix
What difference does it make if the content is original or shared? If it is interesting and brings about a discussion or enlightens another user then it has served its purpose.
- Andrew Trinh
Of course original content (and the conversations around it) matters... it's FriendFeed, not DataFeed. Stuff like Digg bugs me because it's several clicks to get to the meat, just to see if it's interesting enough to talk about. Also, I may not care about person X's tweets, but I may care about their last.fm (for example). Service identification and discrimination is valid for many and varied reasons.
- Tinfoil 2.0
It depends on what your purpose is, Andrew. Mine is to usually get to know individuals better.
- Lix
I never said you can't ignore a particular service, that's what the hide is for. But let the users see the information first without any bias and then let them decide.
- Andrew Trinh
Alix, if your purpose is to get to know the individual better then you deserve every right to hide feeds of a user because of which services they use more. But don't let the same bias affect posts by other users, hide it for once and not for all. If after you've considered it that you may not like tweets overall hide it, you don't need to see a service icon to see that.
- Andrew Trinh
Isn't the service part of the information?
- Andy Bakun
Andrew, it's attention prioritization. Especially in a faster-moving realtime page, with user avatars and service icons (like the old realtime feed) I can instantly hone in on where to focus my attention, before I even start reading any titles, comments, or other text.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Actually, there is a great risk of people being unfairly labeled as moronic without the icons, if their posts make little sense, as is the case with a lot of stuff from twitter. I can excuse moronic posts from twitter if I immediately know that's where they are from. Without the icons, I can't really do that. That means everyone I follow has to be a twitter poet, or I might mistaken them for idiots.
- April
But the service has never disappeared, under each post it still states where each post originates from it's just not the main focus any more. The question is, if you have to filter out so much of your feed that you need icons to see which ones to read why do you have it shown in the first place?
- Andrew Trinh
I don't ignore or hide based on service. The icon just often tells me in an instant if this is something the person created or something they think is worth sharing. I never felt the icon was the focus, just an organizational tool.
- Lix
Andrew, I think you might be misunderstanding something, The service icons have informational content themselves, allowing certain types of information to be given greater or lesser or just different weight from the rest. So instead of "allowing people to focus on the content itself" it forces you to focus on all the content equally, which is clearly inappropriate. Twitter posts are different than delicious items which are different than blog posts which are different than things shared directly.
- Mr. Gunn
Exactly. I agree with Mr Gunn. Now we have less information than we had before.
- Chris Loft
The service icons represent in part the information that is being presented and how/what services that information was found. Without those it makes it more difficult to tie the information together. Plus those little icons are cute. :)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Also the service icons are a way of filtering the information, for example: by clicking on a user's stumbledupon icon all their sites fall into a nice column which is FAR simpler then the complex filtering system in the beta
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I have noticed that Friend Feed users are more likely to respond to a post based on the person doing the posting not what service it is rolling out of.
- Tony C (Unrated)
I think there is an important point here that I've made on other items. I think there are two qualitatively different modes of using friendfeed. One is person-centric, similar to friendfeed or Twitter. People interested in what a specific person has to say. The other is content centric, the person is secondary to the content they are bringing in or promoting. My guess is that the content-centric viewers do a lot of filtering based on the source of the information, as well as the people it is coming through
- Cameron Neylon
Also that the research community (e.g. Life Scientists rooms and others) are more content centric than the general user community. I would think the UI can support both modes of use with a few display options (do don't display service icons, using filtering over service type/number of comments/liks etc.)
- Cameron Neylon
That's a good point, Cameron, and considering that the Life Scientists room has over 700 members, one would think their collective opinion would carry some weight.
- Mr. Gunn
Just loaded the stylish scripts that remove the personal icons and put back the service icons (HT to Neil Saunders) so I'm happy now.
- Cameron Neylon
That may be true, but I still miss the icons :'(
- stanjourdan
I appreciate the help, but I'm on chrome !
- stanjourdan
I'll cast a vote in favour of showing service icons whereever they plausibly make sense.
- Karl Knechtel
especially getting back filtering per service would be great. And not only between twitter, flickr etc, but between various RSS/Atom feeds in same room/feed
- Peter Efland
I ignore certain icons too especially when it's the source of most of the content that I find to be boring. Makes sense to me.
- Corvida
I always was a fan of the service icons. I still run the old school realtime FF in the Firefox sidebar, so I get my service icon fix that way ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
My (and chrisofspades) service icons script still works (in Firefox) too. :)
- Micah
Zee, that is easily the highest score I've achieved on F> ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There already sort of is this function. Just send your likes to Twitter. But yeah, might be cool to be able to customize the prefix for likes to Twitter, so you could use "Liked" or "RT" or whatever. Would need the option of including the @name, too.
- Grey Drane
Grey, yep you can share your own posts to Twitter but it would be nice if you could RT anyone's tweet.
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah, you really need to be able to include the @username of the person you're retweeting. Just isn't fair otherwise
- Zee.
No, I hate the re-tweet. I've unfollowed everyone guilty of retweeting,
- Richard A.
Just so I know, you want to be able to take a tweet from Twitter that has come into FriendFeed and push it back to Twitter with the original tweet and a prefix etc... So the person who sees the RT wouldn't have to come to FriendFeed? Is that right?
- Johnny
Kol: You can share others' FF posts to Twitter, too, by sending your "likes" to Twitter, but like I and others have said, it would be better if the @name (when available, since not all FFers will have Twitter accounts) was included in the tweet that gets generated.
- Grey Drane
Ability to select from a variety of comment systems to best suit the post. pstp ref smedia and the intentions of the poster.
- Thomas Page
The one day thing ignores the time dimension of the internet as links flow through various social networks. Dave is special in the sense that people pay attention to what he says so a day may work. For the rest of us we get noticed here and there which kicks off waves of more noticing, which die down and kick back up as the weather changes. Simply getting comments is the problem.
- Todd Hoff
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
reports are coming in from midtown manhattan that an event location has ambulances on the way - it appears that some attendees at a conference have passed out due to "lack of twt" - we believe the twt is actually twitter and that they couldnt send messages to the twitter network. i am en route to the scene and will have word once i arrive - note...
Robert - the shakes are the first sign - please get those people directly into Facebook.. it won't fix the shaking but will slow the effects. They could also go to the daily "twitter is down" posts by parislemon - that too will help a little. Overall there is no cure. oh wait there is :)
- Allen Stern
Whatever you do, DON'T TELL THEM ABOUT FRIENDFEED!
- Jesse Stay
"these people are the type who just push the button (like on lost) without knowing what happens if they dont." <---- I'm nominating this for a ffebby award, best analogy in a comment category.
- Micah
It is back up. So this should revive the attendees :)
- Dilip Dand
I know, but it's better than nothing...especially in HD!
- .LAG liked that
We had arena league season ticks but that folded. So nothing.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd...oh, yeah, that's right, I forgot about arena football going on hiatus for at least one season. is nothing sacred in this economy?
- .LAG liked that
Northing. We are on the border of the profane.
- Todd Hoff
I agree with Steven, not the same. Sorry tho Mr Perez, GO PACKERS!!
- Shey
This has to be the best friendfeed face ever. I feel sorry for you, Shey, but hey on the bright side, Formula One is about to kick off again soon.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
My husband sports that same face every year too. Epic photo Shey! :D
- Carmen wBabby
...as fresh as the first time you posted it! .LOLz! -- btw, at least there's the scouting combines this week on NFL Network... if you like watching a bunch of college football players run around cones.
- .LAG liked that
For some reason, I read combines as concubines. I've been reading the Bible a lot more lately, LOL.
- Shey
hahaha!..... for some of those players, there will be concubines (and transgressions) too...
- .LAG liked that
dude... EPL, Serie A, La Liga, and Champion's League are going strong, and MLS is just about to get rolling! TONS OF FOOTBALL!!!
- Bren
Just was talking to http://www.friendfeed.com/garin and we came to the conclusion that if you are going to comment on a friendfeed item you should either be first or last. Why? They always are visible. So, here's your chance! :-)
Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments.
- iTad
Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer?
- Kevin Johnson
Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :)
- rob friedman
Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun!
- Robert Scoble
Dang it I am 5 min too late. So I guess it is like posting on a blog post, you always want to be first.
- Jeff
Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last.
- Ted Bradford II
That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P
- Chris Heath
Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience.
- michael sean wright
if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day.
- Ted Bradford II
Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well)
- Chris Heath
Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess...
- Andy Werner
I actually come back 5 days later to make comments so I can have the last word. Everyone has already forgotten what the conversation is about by then.
- Jeff
Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all.
- Ted Bradford II
Second to last is always visible on my screen. :)
- Bwana ☠
Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever....
- Barak B
Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically.
- Charbax
A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!!
- Peter Kelley
No, Peter, you may not be last. That's my position.
- Chris Charabaruk
Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again?
- Amit Morson
Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden.
- Robert Scoble
In a different timezone you can have the advantage :)
- Rene de Vries
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
What if you write backwards? Does that help?
- Kieran Daly
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. says Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters.
- Molly
Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along)
- Jim Espinoza
By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-)
- Opensource Obscure
112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit?
- WoH: Minding her Botts
The current last comment is the next penultimate comment.
- Brian Sullivan
Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol
- Jason Williams
Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer
- Bwana ☠
Winer. I don't think they have too much power
- Steve Gillmor
Kevin: i did not say it was spam. I put the smiley face indicating my partial joking nature. but only partial.
- Jeff
Robert: I could not figure out how to disable comments for particular post. It is really not a big issue since I have gmail, but I do think this post may never die.
- Jeff
I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
A good way to stop? - Scoble puts in his penultimate comment Kevin Johnson says zaloom!
- Julian Edward
This is the Seinfeld of FF....the post and comments about nothing. I wonder what the record is for the most comments on FF?
- Jeff
As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- stephen harlow
I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I reckon it'll be Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much).
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
No, No! - I didn't mean you worm. Although as you say they are useful beings. I do hope you'lll be in heroic position of last commenter! This is a case of the last shall be second. (Kevin Johnson being first of course). Scoble is penultimate we would hope. I'm aiming for 5th to last!
- Julian Edward
Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
you mean Twitter Gar1n? You were talking on TWITTER WEREN'T YOU! LIAR "friendfeeed Garin" pfttttt still the same bi-polar
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Interesting comment, SFSS, very interesting indeed. So interesting, in fact, that I think that nothing further needs to be added to this thread. Ever.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
אתם כל כך מלא חרא, אבל זו בעיה שלך, לא שלי :-)
- David Gross
from email
actually i don't know how not to be the last commenter :)
- İ. Emre Kutlu
If only I could puncture the depths of Scoble's scratch-the-surface brain fart, techno-vangelizing, then I'd actually care WHOLE HEARTEDLY about this meaningfully retarded thread.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The only way this thread can be made even more ridiculous and anachronistic is to move it to identi.ca.. Myspace would work, too.
- Tal Shafik
And since you can't guarantee being last unless you are the originator of the thread or can convince the originator to end comments (but since Robert is AWOL that is unlikely) -- you better be first. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Yep, this is something Jim, Tudor, Sanjeev, and I worked on - really fun to see it go live. Ben Darnell actually did a lot of work on it before he left for Brizzly, too :)
- Bret Taylor
This may explain some of the unexplained friend requests I've received lately. Although in at least one case, I didn't see any mutual connections at all, and I didn't know the person, so I passed on the connection (assumed it was spam or such).
- Ken Gidley
Very nice to hear about what the FF team is working on and releasing on FB. Thanks for the update Bret.
- Mark Krynsky
Now if you could just do something about FB's scam ads. Yesterday one promised a free iPad if I would just test it. Had Jobs' picture on it. They had my age(from FB?) so they could target it. I clicked through for laughs. Asks for email and says no Apple affiliation. Also said "Participation Required" so either I get locked in to a $10/month scam or they sell data off a questionnaire and I probably never see an iPad. It's the Internet but FB ads really degrade the trust and FB needs trust.
- Ed Millard
Happy to know that FriendFeed's Team is working on Facebook's 'Friend Suggestions'. Lucky FB ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Cool - thanks for the better experience :)
- Susan Beebe
Does this mean it will also be available via the API? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Congrats! This sounds like it was probably a lot of fun to work on. I clustered my Facebook friends recently and was amused to see categories like mathematicians, computational biologists, people I know from Google, people I met through my sister--all falling out of just the graph information alone.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Nice feature. I have yet to add a new friend through this suggestion but can see it's potential for sure.
- TradersLog
Once a minor god in an ancient, icebound pantheon of gods long since forgotten, Rodfather was the god responsible for inspiring the Asian tribes in what is now Siberia to migrate across the great ice sheet into what is now known as North America. Once the people found new home and spread out, Rodfather was instrumental in establishing the 500 Nations of the Native American peoples. His purpose on this world concluded, Rodfather set about exploring new dimensions of existence, eventually setting on the Astral Plane, fighting the likes of the Shadow King and Proteus and maintaining a balance of light and dark among the higher races.
- Steven Perez
You forgot to mention how he defied the Supreme Titan Tribunal and risked losing his immortality to bestow upon mankind the gift of karaoke. Because he loved us.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Who are these people that get all defensive about Microsoft? Is there a group of Microsoft fanboys out there somewhere watching for negative remarks so that they can leave angry comments? I've seen this on other blogs too. Why do they care so much?
It's amazing what you can do with Mechanical Turk :-)
- Todd Hoff
I tend to find Microsoft largely irrelevant in many areas of my life. I have one Windows machine, with o Microsoft software except windows itself. The rest are all Linux.
- Ian May
You've obviously never been to a PDC. Everyone in the valley underestimates the immense size of the MS ecosystem.
- Joe Beda
from iPhone
I don't doubt that Microsoft is still huge, I just don't think they are changing the world anymore in the way that Google or Apple are.
- Paul Buchheit
O really? Who are the journalists/bloggers who feel that writing MS-bashing posts for their own sake counts as useful output? Every year hordes of pundits pronounce MS irrelevant, only to be proven wrong the next year. The people who reply to those threads are those who are active users of MS products and find them the best fit for their needs. That includes me. I don't think every MS...
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- LANjackal
LANjackal. If I'm asked, I don't so much bash Microsoft, but point people to other options such as OpenOffice and Linux, if it's suitable for them. Many people use MS products simply because they know of no alternatives.
- Ian May
LANjackal, I don't think anyone disputes that Microsoft will keep producing Windows and Office, but that doesn't count as changing the world. If they introduced something on the scale of the iPhone (in terms of new product with market impact), that would count.
- Paul Buchheit
There are Microsoft fanboys? I must always just see the Apple and Linux fanboys.
- Rob H.
There's a difference between pointing to alternatives and calling a company irrelevant. MS is the only company that can do an end-to-end drop in solution that includes a private cloud, collaboration (Sharepoint), supercomputing, servers, etc. They're the GE of the tech world. Sure, GE doesn't make exciting headlines ... but anyone who says they "don't matter" is simply insane. Ditto MS. Relevancy and making headlines are NOT the same thing.
- LANjackal
from IM
The computers in my house are all running Windows. The computers at my workplace are also. Nearly all the customer art we get is produced on the customers's Windows computers. Microsoft seems pretty important to my life. It helps put the bread on the table, it doesn't need to be doing anything new. If Google and Apple both went down the tubes what would the consequences be? People would...
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- Sue - Friendfeed is best
So is the answer that these are Microsoft developers who feel slighted by the notion that Microsoft is irrelevant?
- Paul Buchheit
Ummm no Paul. I don't know where you're getting that from and I really don't know why you're trolling your own thread, but hey be my guest
- LANjackal
from IM
They're users like myself. Not developers.
- LANjackal
from IM
LANjackal, my question is why they have such strong feelings, not why do they disagree with me.
- Paul Buchheit
Microsoft isn't changing the world? Have you used a 360 at all?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It would probably be reasonable to say that Microsoft has considerable influence - but isn't really at the forefront of most web-based tech anymore. But I know a few Wintards here in Seattle and they're not a pretty bunch (*ZING*) (I would probably count as a "Googtard" for the record)
- Jeffrey Canton
I think you need to qualify how MS is irrelevant. Because I don't see it either.
- Gabe
Probably because we don't like people calling a good company whose products we rely on daily for serious stuff being called irrelevant? Don't you think some people out there might find that offensive? What if you had a BMW and I said BMW as a company was useless? Isn't there a slight chance you might be riled by that?
- LANjackal
from IM
No, I would not be offended LANjackal. I think it's fair to say that the American car companies are irrelevant for example, which is unfortunate. My possibly unfair definition of relevance is that they are driving change in the market. Continuing to produce the same thing you've been making for 10 or more years doesn't count.
- Paul Buchheit
If Surface ever becomes a real product that real people use that would count as relevance Danny, but my prediction is that it won't. You may be right about the Xbox -- I don't know anything about games.
- Paul Buchheit
I think its crazy to get offended for a publicly traded company, or any other non-human entity, though.
- Jeffrey Canton
Yeah, it's the offense part that amuses me. Disagreement is totally reasonable :)
- Paul Buchheit
As an end user I mostly can't justify the price of MS products when I can use something else that is free, as in the case of Office. OpenOffice does what I need; reads/writes the MS formats, and isn't a few hundred bucks to buy. For email, I use Gmail, and Google Calender, on my ALL my computers (regardless of OS), and on my Blackberry too. No need to sync anything as it's all in the cloud.
- Ian May
So yes, I would miss Google if they disappeared overnight, but I wouldn't miss Microsoft.
- Ian May
Paul, then you must get really amused by Apple fanboys. I know I do.
- jbrotherlove
Paul: your definition of relevance is wrong. Period. By that definition only a handful of tech companies would be "relevant" despite the fact that many others supply major components that the handful rely on. I guess Cisco doesn't matter then, right? If they and their products vanished tomorrow we'd all be OK. Everyone in agreement? #sarcasm
- LANjackal
I guess I just haven't upset the Apple fanboys yet. Apple sucks.
- Paul Buchheit
I do think that Microsoft is doing new and innovative things. In some cases they just haven't done a great job of bringing them to market and executing (Surface, for example) but in others you just don't see it as you aren't part of the Microsoft world. For example, LINQ is very very cool but unless you use C# (talking to MS SQL server in ASP.net/IIS via Visual Studio) you probably just...
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- Joe Beda
LANjackal, which successful companies _are_ irrelevant? I'm getting at a factor that is different from success, because if all I wanted to talk about was profits or market cap, that's what I would reference. However, there is an independent factor which is essentially "market influence", and it's undeniable that some companies have more than others.
- Paul Buchheit
That's a fair point Joe, and I think the fact that there is this growing non-microsoft world is part of what drives their "irrelevance". It would be really cool if they opened up C# and .Net, because by most accounts it's very nice (much better than Java), but nobody outside of the Microsoft ecosystem even considers it.
- Paul Buchheit
I'd agree with that. I think that Microsoft is stuck into a classic innovator's dilemma. They are optimizing for their ecosystem and world and missing the fact that the world is shifting. However, I don't think the world is shifting as much (yet) as it appears from the perspective of the valley. In the hearts and minds of the average enterprise developer Microsoft is the only game in town.
- Joe Beda
I think Microsoft advocates in general have less experience with non-MS systems than non-MS-centric tech types have with MS systems. If you don't know much about the alternatives to MS and if your income is tied to your tech knowledge - you probably should get busy and start up reading up about the things you don't know about. But it's a lot easier to just stick your head in the sand. That sounds a bit harsh. But I think it's accurate.
- Douglas
BTW -- C# is pretty open -- there is the spec and Mono. But it is largely still born as no one trusts Microsoft and there is very little cross pollination across these worlds.
- Joe Beda
Yeah, I'm not going to use the second-class version of it (Mono) and apparently neither is anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
Douglas: I have plenty of experience with non-MS systems, but aside from embedded systems I find them largely irrelevant.
- Gabe
I think ignorance of the other side cuts both ways. There are plenty of unix nerds that have no idea how *awesome* the Visual Studio development environment can be. There is a lot going on there -- some of it is much better than what is going on in the Unix/Mac world. But mostly it is just different.
- Joe Beda
I do resent the comment that Mono is a 'second-class version' of .NET. We have some benefits over .NET, for instance, we are open source, and just like Linux was one day a second-class version of Unix, the day for Mono will come. For instance, anyone interested in .NET development on Mac, Linux, the iPhone, Android, the PS3 or the Wii have today only one option: Mono. If your business...
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- Miguel
Sorry Miguel. I'm sure Mono is really great, but I bet Microsoft's version is better.
- Paul Buchheit
Microsoft's version is better in many ways, and Mono's is better in many ways. We have no WPF, partial WCF and no WF, only now we are getting a copying/generational GC; But we have xplat GUI toolkits, an embeddable C# compiler, a C# REPL, SIMD extensions for AMD64 and X86, 64-bit arrays, full UNIX APIs, static compilation, we work on more platforms and much more. My point is: Mono is not your enemy, Mono is your ally. Use it when it makes sense as another tool in the box.
- Miguel
An example: several years ago I was working with a group of programmers on a project that was to be done in .Net. I suggested we use JQuery, which was pretty mainstream by then. No one else on the team had heard of it and one programmer even said "why would I want to use anything that didn't come from Microsoft?" A few months later Microsoft included JQuery in Visual Studio. It's not fun trying to get things done around that sort of attitude.
- Douglas
Douglas: I've used and supported Macs since System 6 and various Unix systems since the mid-90's, and I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like there's anything I can do on those systems that I can't do on Windows.
- Gabe
Microsoft is just another American software company, and I feel is unfairly targeted at for things like bundling IE with Windows, etc. Of course you get ketchup with a pizza. If you dont like the ketchup, use some other ketchup. Oracle brings with it Java. Did anybody complain?
- TrafficBug
Paul, I agree with Miguel. I don't see why MS having a better version is reason to disregard Mono. If I were writing Linux apps, I would choose Mono in a second.
- Gabe
Gabe: what about rsync, ssh, vim, grep, sed, perl, readline, etc... of course, you can install windows-equivalents of most of those but it's a bit of a pain and they never seem to work quite right. If you just want to pull bits of data out of a giant file on a Windows machine on a network you can still do it but you may have to drag folders around and write a DTS package to load it into SQL Server... I'm sure you're an exception but the average Windows-only person has no concept of the unix way to do that.
- Douglas
Mono definitely isn't my enemy Miguel. Things like garbage collection are very tricky though, and I'd be surprised if you are able to keep up with Microsoft's version, I certainly hope you do though (especially after reading things like http://news.ycombinator.com/item...). Gabe, I simply called it "second class", which seems accurate if Microsoft's version is better.
- Paul Buchheit
my fear with Mono is that, despite it being really cool, I don't trust Microsoft to keep a genuine commitment to open-source software. Unfair? Probably to Mono ... but Microsoft has kind of earned that over the years (wrt open-source software) Having said that, I should investigate Mono more, the brief exposure I had to it a few years ago was really positive.
- Jeffrey Canton
BTW, what are the latest performance comparison numbers among the JVM, Mono, and CLR? A quick google didn't turn up anything credible looking.
- Paul Buchheit
Right, doing a copying/generational/multithreaded debugger is hard. But .NET is not the competition in this case, Java is. Java having multiple implementations for research and production has been the platform where new GC technologies and ideas have been tested out in recent years. We can only hope that Mono's open source nature will lead to new ideas and innovations being tried out with .NET beyond the walls of Redmond (which has been the case in other areas).
- Miguel
I worked at a Fortune 500 and there were a lot of fanboys here. The problem is folks invest in an MCSE or some sort of cert. It made them invested in Microsoft technology no matter how bad it was. Billable for Microsoft technology almost always cost double from what I could get from Open Source.
- barce
I would put it on par with Linux fanboys, Apple fanboys, Google fanboys, open source fan boys, Nintendo fanboys, Playstation fanboys, laserdisc fanboys, Betamax fanboys, Datsun fanboys; in essence, only the ones you disagree will you will rub you the wrong way.
- Eric
But I also said that Linux was hopeless on the desktop and nobody showed up to insult me :)
- Paul Buchheit
I'm not saying your wrong, just saying fanboys are fanboys and will argue to silliness about something like this. Don't look for rational thought from these kind of people.
- Eric
Yeah, I understand Eric. I'm just curious what motivates them. My suspicion is that the Linux fanboys are different from the Microsoft ones though. With Linux it's probably driven by a religious devotion whereas the Microsoft ones feel a threat to their livelihood perhaps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the only reason no one comment on your "Linux was hopeless on the desktop" statement is because at the bottom of our hearts we do not really want "our" OS to become mainstream ;-)
- Tzury Bar Yochay
I think if your list showed on slashdot or Digg, you might get a few comments about Linux on the desktop, where stories about "I setup Linux for my grandma and she loves it" live.
- Eric
Have you tried Ubuntu lately? It's pretty cool. I find myself using my Ubuntu desktop machine more than my Mac laptop sometimes, completely unconscious preference. I understand that some of the other distros are also very nice; I just haven't gotten around to trying them. Of course if I were an Ubuntu fanboy I wouldn't say that :)
- Douglas
It's already becoming mainstream Tzury -- it's just going by the name "Android". I wouldn't be surprised if it surpasses Windows installs in fact (once every cheapo phone in the world has Android on it).
- Paul Buchheit
Nothing really comparing all 3 on the same conditions/platforms. But there are various mixed tests that you can use to extrapolate results.
- Miguel
I have Ubuntu in a vm Douglas. It has the same stupid problems that have always plagued Linux -- things never quite work right.
- Paul Buchheit
In case it's not clear by now, I'm happy to make fun of all platforms :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: Cool. I suspect that's what separates the angry fanboys from the not(angry fanboys).
- Douglas
a concrete wall with barbed-wire at the top might be nice too, though.
- Douglas
People just do get it do they? how sad this guy Derek must be inside... pathetic! geesh
- Susan Beebe
Douglas: All those things are available on any platform I care to use. All are generally fairly easy to use on Windows if you want the precompiled binary, which is similar to other platforms -- on Linux it's hard to install something that isn't in a repository and on OSX it's hard to install something that isn't drag-n-drop installable. Of course, I also have no use for grep, sed, and...
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- Gabe
Paul - I think irrelevance comes down to what space you're talking - In an MS enterprise shop they're not. For those MSIEs, or even for the guy running a small computer repair shop, MS is their life blood, their livelihood depends on MS so they get rather rabid.If you're talking the web or consumer electronics space, they are somewhat irrelevant, or have been. At least haven't been...
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- PXLated
As a ceritfied MCSE: Security & Messaging, plus having installed, deployed and supported LOTS of servers and systems throughout the US to multiple customers in a wide variety of industries, I can assure you that most Microsoft "fanboys" are really scared. I invested a ton of money, time and energy back in the day with M$ and now I sit here with 7 levels of irrelevant technical...
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- Susan Beebe
Sadly, I've watched M$ go from relevant to pathetic. To their credit, Windows 7 is fantastic. Yet, I solely rely on cloud apps for my work. I hate MS Office - too clunky and old. M$ lost their mojo and i don't think it's coming back. So bottom line, folks that get all upset over that news are in denial.
- Susan Beebe
Jeffrey Canton, would you trust that Microsoft could keep a genuine commitment to open-source software if Microsoft themselves committed to releasing a portable run-time for .NET rather than relegating this task to Mono and Mono developers. Microsoft, with all their capital (both financial and mindshare), is in the best position to create and maintain a fully cross-platform portable runtime, yet they don't.
- Andy Bakun
That's my feeling Andy. If Microsoft really wanted it, they could make it happen and it would probably be awesome.
- Paul Buchheit
And that's my issue with Mono: its very existence shows that Microsoft doesn't really care and was only throwing the open source community a bone by _allowing_ it to exist. I'm sure there are people at Microsoft that work closely with Mono developers (like Miguel has claimed in the past, I have no reason to doubt him), but .NET on anything other than Windows doesn't really fit into Microsoft The Corporation's plans.
- Andy Bakun
Susan, are you Redhat (or other) certified also? I'm curious as to how someone who is certified with both MCSE and Linux view and value the knowledge they provide. I have heard that RH certifications are more long-term useful, but MCSE are so focused on specific products that they encourage an ecosystem of requiring more/additional certification as time goes on. I've seen the RHCE, and...
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- Andy Bakun
MS does some pretty cool tech demo videos (eg, surface). Maybe that makes them this decade's Xerox? Cool tech, but unable to deliver.
- Nick Lothian
No I am not RHCE certified, but I sure wish I had pursued RHCE as much as I did my MCSE in 2006. I considered doing both, in retrospect, I should have. Both certs are well respected, but anything M$ is starting to be laughed at, sadly :( MCSE is very niche, yet it does also required strong networking and infrastructure knowledge. During my tests I was doing subnetting in my head, that's not product specific. (actually I used my hands - 8 fingers for octet counting!)
- Susan Beebe
Surface is amazing, really awesome. I need to upload my iPhone video of that, thanks for the reminder :)
- Susan Beebe
@Andy - that's exactly the issue for me wrt Mono. They ultimately need people to buy Windows and Office, they're 2 main profit-engines - moving into the cloud the way Google wants to move (and the way things seem to be heading) undoes their momentum in the shrink-wrapped, downloadable software business and I can't see them undercutting that anytime soon. My guess has always been that...
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- Jeffrey Canton
@Nick - yeah, I was thinking IBM, but Xerox definitely works too :-)
- Jeffrey Canton
I don't think that Microsoft opening any product (like .NET completely etc) will help them get respect from those that wouldn't use anything by Microsoft, anyway. Usually it goes like this: "1) Microsoft should open product/format X!1" **Microsoft makes X open, maybe even a standard**, "2) The specifications suck! They need more details!" **Microsoft revises specs, provides more...
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- Jemm
I am a software developer on the Microsoft platform. I've been working on the MS platform (DOS, Windows) for over 20 years. And yes, I do defend Microsoft in forums, because I find that many criticisms are exagerated or come from irrational hate and not from reason.
- Dan Armano
I've seen a lot of this coming from Apple people - I'm sure it cuts both ways. (Personally, I don't care because neither company sends me any checks or anything.)
- Ciaoenrico
Is Microsoft really so thin skinned that they need respect from people who don't want to use their products? It's not about gaining respect, it's about following through on your claims.
- Andy Bakun
@Andy: "respect" was perhaps wrong choice of words by me. The point was that those demanding "openness" wouldn't switch anyway - no matter what Microsoft did or promised. I personally don't care whether something is completely open or a black box, as long there is a good way to integrate through a decent API through standard interfaces (SOAP, REST whatever).
- Jemm
Then why does Microsoft do or promise anything? It has to obvious to them too that these people won't switch, so why bother catering to them?
- Andy Bakun
@Andy: I've been wondering the same. Maybe there are some major audiences (like governments) that require at least some effort or because "opennes" looks good on paper.
- Jemm
This is a good and relevant question. I look forward to a Paul Buchheit blog post about the dynamics of people becoming emotionally attached to software/services/platforms.
- Bruce Lewis
If you make such a blog post, it would be an interesting read, I guess you can let us know as I for one can read it...
- TrafficBug
Has fairness and balance become irrelevant? Our national news media has chosen hype over reality in their efforts to attract views. Perhaps Mr. Buchheit has made the same choice in his effort attract readers. I'm an Apple fanboy, but I haven't lost my grip on reality. I agree with the observations of LANjackal as to Microsoft's relevance. The vitriol here is beyond the bounds of rational discussion. Perhaps that's the nature of the internet. Sadly, it's becoming the nature of our culture.
- Jimmy Walker
you haven't seen anything until you've seen this guy on the dancefloor.
- Melissa
I had to declare my love publicly. It's over. The secret is out. *dead*
- Cheryl
I honestly had no idea this would garner such a response. Sadly, the stupid song still hasn't left my head. It's playing there right now.
- Jason Toney
Kevin - that is an awesome logo!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- SteVe C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- Zu from AOD
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
My wedding tip #3: Schedule the honeymoon to happen at least a week after the wedding. Invariably either the bride and/or groom get sick right after the wedding and going to your honeymoon while sick is totally counterproductive to actually having the honeymoon in the first place.
Tip #2 was Do yourself a favor and hire a wedding planner/manager...even if they only help you on the rehearsal dinner/wedding day. For most people, a wedding will be 10 times more stressful without a knowledgeable planner guiding the process. They know the vendors and what they will and won't do and you don't.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I agree with tips 1 & 2 but tip 3 is based on a premise that doesn't always prove true.
- Akiva
In my experience this happens more often than not...so on the risk equation it is prudent to follow this advice.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I think this is a good tip. We had a very short local trip right after the wedding, and our honeymoon months later. Worked for us.
- Your Neighbor Steve
How many times have you been married, son?!
- Akiva
My parents had two honeymoons as well one weekend one right after and then the week long honey moon a couple months later.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I know far too many people who got sick right after the wedding, Akiva, which is why I followed this advice...well mostly...Also was a factor of when Cassie can get off from school. And yes, I'm dealing with a cold right now. Imagine how much fun Jamaica would NOT be if we were there right now.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, you're right. Happened to me.
- Melanie Reed
Now that I think about it, it makes sense that people might get sick right after a wedding mainly due to stress more than anything else. Purely anecdotal but interesting enough.
- Akiva
Are you gonna put these on a blog or something? Remember, I'm getting married in like 6 months and this particular tip hit close to home.
- Rah-PM 2012
I followed #1 but I'm planning to leave for the honeymoon right after the wedding if possible and I doubt I'm hiring a planner. My sister and her husband went on their honeymoon a week after their wedding and he ended up sick the entire time anyway. I hope you get over your cold before your honeymoon, though!
- joey
I've been married twice and no honeymoon either time. Are there any rules about taking a honeymoon on your 5th anniversary?
- Sally - Skyrimmin' It
Our guest list is still in flux. Sis in law was handling the planning, but she's not well. We already have catering+venue locked in, though.
- Rah-PM 2012
Have fun? Oh and I recommend that you make it 10 days if possible.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
regarding tip #3: Although I think it's wise in general, this would have backfired big time for me. We went on our honeymoon immediately after the wedding and had a great time. The day after we got back, I woke up sicker than I'd ever been before.
- Vicarbott
It actually wasn't so bad. I recovered, AND I got an extra two days off from work!
- Vicarbott
And part of #3 should be: Unless it's some place local, don't drink the water. This also means no ice in your drinks, no salad, no fountain sodas, or anything in which the local water supply will get into your body without being sterilized first. You are used to the organisms that are present in your local water supply. What is in a different region may not match what you are used to....
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- April
My folks got married during the war (the Big One) and had their honeymoon 5 years later. I went with them. Don't wait too long.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Sally, we took our honeymoon fofr our 2nd anniversary.
- Anika
We vacationed for our 1st anniversary, but I was 6 mos pregnant and we didn't get to have all the fun we'd originally planned. I'm thinking maybe someone can watch Travis for us in a few years so we can do something just the two of us. I'm thinking his FL grandparents can watch him and we'll take a cruise.
- Sally - Skyrimmin' It
We waited 5 days and had a stay-cation for those days which is as valuable to me as vacation is!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Jeremy, even if you're not on your honeymoon quite yet, you can still "get down" on your wedding night!
- Rochelle
I totally agree. I got sick two days into my honeymoon.
- Adam Martin
Honeymoon! Dammit! I knew I forgot something! Arrrgh!
- Morgan
I don't think I ever said it, so congratulations Alex! And I'm saving these tips for the future.
- Arlan K.
My wife and I did the same. Married on Saturday, back to work for a week. Flew to Hawaii following Saturday. :)
- Louis Gray
I didn't get many of the ceremony, unfortunately, because I was part of the wedding party so will need to rely on the pro ones. But I did get some nice video including some video of my brother's first dance that I'm not sure he'd be happy if I posted on the Internet (although he did fine, you could tell he was concentrating on not stepping on Cassie's toes).
- Robert Scoble
Have the live broadcast was great, even though it went over -capacity. Luckily those who were viewing it kept everyone in the loop :)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
And the screenshots posted helped us all to join in the ceremony
- WoH: Minding her Botts
From the top: 1. Alex picks up his Tux on Friday. 2. Alex and Cassie at rehearsal dinner saying thanks. 3. my brother Ben fooling around with me. 4. Milan and Hannah Scoble check out the fishtank at breakfast before wedding. 5. My dad standing around while pictures are taken. 6. Milan Scoble, 2-years-old, unsure of what to do now that he's in a tux. 7. Alex and Cassie get pictures...
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- Robert Scoble
Yeah, thanks for joining in. I didn't even realize there was a live feed until after the wedding when I snuck a look at my iPhone and saw people talking about it.
- Robert Scoble