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Yolanda, Oguz Serdar, A. T. and 60 other people liked this
Double cute!
- sergiooo
Great pic's!
- Dan Boggs
Is it just me, or are all baby clothes in either FriendFeed or Twitter colors? I was noticing in my baby boy's clothes today that I had half of web 2.0 in his wardrobe.
- Jesse Stay
:)
- mhmazidi
Wonderful photos. Congrats and enjoy!
- Larry Huffman
yeah it is all nice and happy now - give it 12 months and the inner demon comes out... Nice time though, when they are small and cute :) Enjoy it.
- Dave Gray
The best part at this age is when they fall asleep on your chest.
- Russellreno
Looks like Sarah is trying to push Matt away... saying "Hey dude! We are so out of the womb! Shove over!!"
- Yolanda
I wuv babies!
- Shey
that is really quite lovely, louis. those early days with you daughter will be with you two for the all your lives.
- ryan
from fftogo
awwww how adorable!
- Jessica
I think the baby sleeping on my chest thing was one of my favorite moments when we had small babies in our family. Thanks for sharing.
- Jeremy Kunz
Sweet pics.
- John McCrea
how adorable..your little ones are soooo cute.. thanks for sharing!
- MiaD
sooo cute!
- Sarah Perez
Bump.
- Louis Gray
I want YOU right here, right now buddy! - http://meme.yahoo.com/wrzl...
birey, göbekli centilmen, mahir and 105 other people liked this
lol
- killeader
hahaha çok iyi ya :D
- 4 yorum daha
rofl
- Efe Öğüt
ahahahah
- Bülent Sakarya
öhhhhhhhhh ebenin nikahıı
- кemαℓ - Guru Gürültü
ahahaha
- Haki ♠
puahahahha
- Emrah Gunduz
AuhAuhUAhUAhUAhUA
- wdog
ateş ediyo.
- Xenop
ahahahaha müthiş!!
- ziegfiroyt
Neden yapıyorlar ki bunu, gerçek haber programı değil galiba
- Yusufsan21
gerçek : http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Emrah Gunduz
iyi ki dedeler yok arkada :D
- oğuzhan özel
bu abiler ilerde nobrain.dk daki yerlerini alırlar :)
- levonardo
ne yazdın da buldunuz bunu yahu ashjdgashjdghj yarıldım gittim
- LPchester(ilkay)
"lehman brothers" olarak haberi canlandırıyolar sanırım asdlhjsdfalsjdfslad
- heavy distorted&DenizOral
LOL!
- Wulffy
oha, napıyonuz nan siz. hani biz marjinaldik.
- mirayabravci
inci gibiler .p
- Samet Güngören
puhahaha...yeminlen koptum ha
- Ozan Ün
:)))
- akşınmen ♣
ahahh
- Sinan Ayhan
zuahahahaha süpermiş :D
- Nif (•̪●)
Yuhhh :)
- Volkan Inanc
dgfvşkrdnfkmdfkgşmbnfk iymişş :=)
- Ferhat Gundogdu
e cüş yani.:)
- 4B4C4
ipneler siziii :))
- Robin
Life is unfair. There's a DOCTOR WHO marathon on BBC America right now. And I must work. :(
Curdy G, Penguin, Roberto Bonini and 5 other people liked this
hmm.... you look a bit pale. sure you aren't contagious?
- Kevin Johnson
And now someone has changed the channel to watch Everyone Loves Raymond. I work with cultural Philistines.
- Steven Perez
At least it's not Judge Judy or Maury...yet
- Hedgehog
I'm sure that will be on later. :P
- Steven Perez
Here's what happens when someone asks "Can you make something with cats?". Cute, right?
Yuvi, Yolanda, Melly Botts and 22 other people liked this
WAY cute. You are so talented! Do you have an Etsy shop or anything?
- joey
So MEGA cute!!
- aden {Chickadee}
Aww, thanks! I just opened one with glass only (I have another with sewn items). The glass can be found here http://www.etsy.com/shop... but these guys arent there yet. I'll probably put them up next week sometime (I'm going on a road trip this weekend - woohooo!)
- Shannon - GlassMistress
OK my heart just totally melted. :D SO. CUTE.
- Hookuh Tinypants
That's awesome Shannon! Do you ever make birds?
- joey
Thanks Joey and Pea. Joey here's the only bird I've done so far http://www.flickr.com/photos... I'm hoping to do more in the near future :D
- Shannon - GlassMistress
NOW why arent you talking to me? Craftiness again?
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Actually, come to think of it I SHOULDNT BE TALKING TO YOU ... did the heart arrive? Didjya lurve it?
- Shannon - GlassMistress
That's cause ya got busted...neener neener ;-) snigger
- Shannon - GlassMistress
So, are you suggesting that I'm not cute or that I'm being smug?
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Shannon, that bird is so cute! If you make more, let me know and I'll order some!
- joey
Pea, as ever, you bust me up...I yield! Joey, will do (I'm sure to share them here, all the nice comments are kinda addicting :D)
- Shannon - GlassMistress
And post when you have more kittys for sale too need something to go with your fish and Kamillah's candles in our display case. We're a cat and fish house. :)
- SteVe C
These make me smile :) Ha, that's funny, I caught this just when you mentioned me, Steve.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Love the kitties! Moar glasscats plz? (Am visualizing making myself a super-cute necklace. Update us when kitties are on etsy?)
- Elaine is trying to write
I'm so sorry I was out of town to miss that Baroness...dirty matted sky rat it is! Hee! Steve, Elaine and Joey: Thanks! Will do!
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Picky, picky, picky!
- Shannon - GlassMistress
Do you guys want to hear how I knew I was gay? I could do it Momo style, grranted I've been drinking. o_O
April, JSLeFanu, Michael R. Bernstein and 80 other people liked this
Yes. I won't interrupt.
- Jenny R
I am sitting cross-legged on the floor before you, elbows on knees, chin on fists, anticipating.
- Akiva
Ok...so I was in high school doing my thing like everyone else.
- Derrick
When I got to say...tenth grade, everyone was dating and I wasn't but it was no big deal.
- Derrick
I was popular enough and made people laugh and it was all good.
- Derrick
That summer, I started hanging out with this guy, we'll call him Drew.
- Derrick
We bonded over basketball, and hip hop, and being wise asses.
- Derrick
At this time, looking back I realized that most of my friends in life had been females (shocker!).
- Derrick
And Drew was my first real kind of guy friend.
- Derrick
Cristo, interrupt my thread again, I'll drive up to SF and kick your schizo ass through a window.
- Derrick
Anyway...
- Derrick
So me and Drew started hanging out and I started hanging with his other guy friends and it was all good.
- Derrick
Lots of basketball, movies, mall crawling, etc.
- Derrick
By my junior year we decided to get involved with groups on campus so we could put that kind of stuff on our college apps.
- Derrick
I ended up on the student body working with people in the community and getting them to donate stuff for the school. Drew wasn't voted into a position, but he helped out and it was all good.
- Derrick
Then at some point, he started hanging out with this chick who was a cheerleader. We'll call her Susie.
- Derrick
They started doing their thing and it meant that we spent less time together and it was cool. I was happy for him.
- Derrick
Until I started realizing that I wasn't.
- Derrick
I was jealous of her and I couldn't figure out why.
- Derrick
He was cool, but every little thing he did, she acted like he was the first person to ever do it. His jokes were the funniest, his smile the cutest, etc.
- Derrick
And I started HATING on her.
- Derrick
I was scattered and all over the place and couldn't figure out why.
- Derrick
Then, at some point...I found myself doing that thing that all teenage boys do ten times a day in the privacy of their own room and Drew popped into my head.
- Derrick
I was like: o_O
- Derrick
Because I knew gay people, but didn't see myself as one. I wasn't some flaming queen (not that there's anything wrong with that), but I liked hip hop and basketball!
- Derrick
After that, I started having fantasies about him. Sexual ones.
- Derrick
I couldn't deny it and it made me extremely depressed.
- Derrick
Suicidal, even.
- Derrick
My senior year I was a mess. Could barely attend classes and so sad, my friends didn't know what to make of me. My depression scared them all away.
- Derrick
Spring break, I tried to kill myself. I slit my wrists.
- Derrick
A teacher noticed. And looking back I realized that he was gay too. And in his subtle way, tried to tell me that once I got out of high school, I'd be ok. That there were other people like me. And, like him.
- Derrick
I finished, started college and slowly and surely got to like and even love myself, but it was a guy named Drew that revealed the happy go lucky gay guy you see before you. I haven't seen him in years, and he was the first person I ever came out too, although I never told him I was in love with him.
- Derrick
I think that's about it. Thanks for letting me share my story.
- Derrick
+1000 D.
- The Amber
I'm glad you're still around, Derrick.
- I like big Botts
(((Derrick))) Thanks for sharing that with us.
- Jenny R
<3
- Rochelle
Time for another cocktail!
- Derrick
<3 x a large number.
- Jonathan Hardesty
((Derrick))
- John (bird whisperer)
I love me some D. You go.
- SAM
<333
- holly #ravingfangirl
(((hugs))) D
- WoH: Minding her Botts
<3 Derrick, you are absolutely brave and amazing. I'm glad you made it through such a tough time, because I think there are many of us who couldn't imagine a world without you in it. Thank you for sharing, and cheers! :)
- Penguin
Wait a minute. Just wait a damned minute here. YOU'RE GAY?! [cue The More the You Know jingle]
- Akiva
Derrick, you are such an amazing story teller. Thank you for sharing this with us and I'm so glad you are here to do so. xoxo
- Maria Niles
*sends hugs*
- Katy S
and I do love Akiva's first comment…
- I like big Botts
<3 ((hugs)) D
- Anne Bouey
Being a teenager is freaking tough - I'm sad for the teenage you but super glad you survived it all. Thanks for the story.
- Laura Norvig
[courtsies]
- Akiva
XOXOXOXO...ad infinitum. :-D
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
Right on
- Rodfather
Thanks for sharing D! :-)
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
*hugs!*
- Jessie
(((Derrick))) But you already knew that.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
Thanks everyone. I don't know where that came from tonight, but I appreciate everyone listening to how I got here.
- Derrick
That was one heart-grabbing, well-told story, D. Glad it has a happy ending, and that you chose to share it with us. *hugs you tight*
- Marianne
Derrick - you're a really amazingly wonderful person. Thank you! I feel lucky to know you on FF.
- hollyrae
Wonderful story from a wonderful person. Glad you got through the tough times and made it here to brighten all of our lives.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
#awwDerrick <3 great story, glad it had a happy ending: "And then I was king of the internets"
- Lo the Baker
Wow. You must feel so great to get that off your chest. Happy to know that you were able to get out of that high school time alright. It must have been crazy. Good to know you're here and happy. High Five!
- Harold Cabezas
Derrick, FTW. Respeck. This is why you're among the coolest people I know, Internet friends be damned.
- Mike Nayyar
I love you, Derrick!
- Mary Carmen
+1G Derrick
- Kevin Johnson
What an awesome story of a first love. I'm so happy you've shared with us.
- Sally - Skyrimmin' It
<3
- Michelle M
You know I used to love you like whoa now I love you like WHOA. <3
- aden {Chickadee}
"Then, at some point...I found myself doing that thing that all teenage boys do ten times a day in the privacy of their own room and Drew popped into my head. I was like: o_O" <-- i do believe i snort laughed here. <3 this story.
- tiffany
Aw, thanks everyone. Honestly, it means a lot. I was pretty miserable for a couple years, but I've made my peace. I'm just a guy who likes guys. It doesn't define me, and I certainly have other interests, but when you're sixteen and don't know any better, you never think you're going to get through it. I'm glad I did. <333
- Derrick
TEN TIMES A DAY, TIFFANY.
- Derrick
Well I am glad that your still around my friend, life would be a whole lot less interesting without you :).
- Scott (Honey Boo-Boo!)
And that's why FriendFeed is still a great place to hang. Thanks, D for telling your story.
- Bryan R. Adams
Thanks for sharing this story.
- Vaughn
Thank you for sharing, Derrick. Whether you realize it or not, you're a role model.
- rowlikeagirl
This is a man.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Wow. I was on the edge of my seat. Thx, D.
- Rah-PM 2012
I'm going to change me name to Drew.
- Sparky, lurking
Sparky speaks pirate...
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
Derrick, you are teh awsum. Everybody should have someone like you as their gay best friend. {{{{{{{{{{ Derrick }}}}}}}}}} Keep up the joy!
- Ladyepiphanybug
Thanks for sharing that, Derrick.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
<3
- joey
Aww. :) Glad you're still here, Derrick.
- Zach Flauaus
If anything, I'm glad to see how much progress there's been for gay kids in high school. It's likely still rough, but there are at least gay/straight student alliances and stuff that we didn't have at the time. I think that's huge.
- Derrick
Video games *cackles*
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
:))))))))) Give my best to Noah.
- Derrick
Big hugs, and big thanks.
- laura x
I just re-reread this and want to tell you how glad I am that you shared this with us. and how glad I am that you didn't succeed in sabotaging yourself. cos I think you're the bee's knees :)
- Starmama
I think this is the gayest gay I've ever gayed in my entire gay. And by that, I mean thanks for gaying. I love coming out gayries every once in a gayle. :) <3 Glad you found yourself, and I think it's fair to say your friends and readers are glad too. and possibly gay. 8====D
- Kyle Prime
You like basketball and hip-hop. NO WAY you can be gay!! (1990 quote for real). I am assuming (((Derrick))) means we are giving him hugs? I give you one too!! You were left on this earth to continue touching people's lives ... Real talk!
- Amani
Wow - Derrick. Thanks for giving us the chance to see this part of your story. You are an amazing guy not the least of which due to the fact you shared this with all of us. Do you think lots of kids have the same experience? I always wondered about that. I also wondered if the trigger is person-specific or a certain person just happens to be in the right place at the right time.
- Martha
<3 Derrick. I was 16 when I first 'met' you on FriendFeed, and you helped me grow up to be not-a-bigot. Thanks.
- Yuvi
1UP Yuvi
- Akiva
Derrick, you are an amazing human being. I'm proud to know you.
- Vicarbott
I love you, Derrick xoxoxoxoxoc
- Melly Botts
What Melly said. :)
- Rollin' in the LB
Yuvi's comment is bringing a tear to my eye. I'm thankful for all the out gay dudes I have known over the years who made it very clear that gay dudes are pretty much the same as straight dudes, except funnier and better dressed. Oh and they have sex with other gay dudes.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Derrick, I believe you've earned the crown of "Spokesqueer of Friendfeed". ;)
- Jack&Cleo
I'm honestly touched by everyone's comments and especially to see that I had some impact on Yuvi. That's something you just can't buy. Thanks again, so so much.
- Derrick
I don't have the words for how much I liked this thread. D, I'm glad we're friends.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
Thank you so much for sharing that, Derrick. You are so beautiful.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
ATTENTION FF: I am sexually frustrated. You've been warned. That is all. I promise not to rape you, but I may make inappropriate comments.
Zu from AOD, Harold Cabezas, Penguin and 40 other people liked this
Inappropriate comments FTW!!
- Jonathan Hardesty
Now I feel pressured to make inappropriate comments... hmm... FFers I'd hit: Jimminy, Derrick (not that he swings that way), Steve the Monkey, Penguin. And more... *ponders*
- Lo the Baker
I got a list too Lo, possibly even more inappropriate since I'm married ;o)
- Melly Botts
I've got a list around here somewhere
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Also on my list: Melly. :-P
- Lo the Baker
Awesome :oD
- Melly Botts
I'm with RAPatton. MOAR PIX PLZ.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
Note to self: visit cute innocent Christian FF girl, corrupt her, take pics. I'm on it, folks.
- Lo the Baker
I'm now calling this the thread of win
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
Who's the cute innocent Christian FF girl?
- Melly Botts
I dunno, any will do I suppose. Can you suggest any? ;)
- Lo the Baker
I was under the assumption that no one here was innocent. We need new meat! :P
- Jonathan Hardesty
Maybe I'll start pressuring friends to join FF again :) I quit, because I realized the reason FF kicks everything else's butt is that the losers aren't here.
- Lo the Baker
Guys, these are the only pics I have demonstrating my sexual frustration and action taken to alleviate it: http://ff.im/gAp9e As for me molesting FFeeps, no pics, because it hasn't happened yet... will work on that over the next 2 months :P
- Lo the Baker
It's not like I shouldn't have known this thread would spiral out of control, but... DAMN.
- Lo the Baker
Also on list: movieguyjon
- Lo the Baker
Cute innocent Christian girl? JANDY
- Lis
And Eivind!
- Lo the Baker
And Jandy, apparently :P
- Lo the Baker
You know, Lis, you might make the list yourself!
- Lo the Baker
Back off Lo, Jon is MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Melly Botts
O.O
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
Okay, okay, I'll just ogle Jon but not touch :D
- Lo the Baker
Would it help if I took sexy pictures & sent them to you? ;)
- Lo the Baker
Sexy pictures of Jon? Yes!
- Melly Botts
The things that happen while I'm sleeping. Am I going to have to stay on FF all night, just in case now? :P
- caj needs a haircut
Unfortunately, Jandy is uncorruptable. And straight. So there goes that one...
- Lis
Woohoo inappropriate comments!
- aden {Chickadee}
I love this thread!
- Jenny R
So, whose bones did you jump, Lo?
- Steven Perez
Me too, Jenny! It says I'm doable! :)
- Eivind
And this is why I love Lo. :D
- Hookuh Tinypants
Does it count if you jump your own bones? (So to speak)
- caj needs a haircut
You could sway Jandy by looking like Milla.
- The Amber
Or maybe just walk in the room drenched, with a pair of guns.
- The Amber
This is going to make meeting in Boston extra fun.
- <3Heather<3
Amber, I was going to suggest the Zooey route, but you are right. Milla may work better!
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
And I want pictures of you with the guns.
- The Amber
I can take pictures - pretty darn good ones if Pictures are needed.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Why am I just now seeing this? El to the oh el.
- Derrick
Noooooo, my secret shame is unearthed! It's only cool cuz it's Derrick :P
- Lo the Baker
*makes a note to unearth this at a later date and see what happens to those who aren't Derrick*
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
Noooooooooooo! Boy, let me tell you, there are days I'm *really* glad there were no social networks & smartphones back when I was a drunk.
- Lo the Baker
I can make no promises. But I'll try to forget to resurrect this later...maybe
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
Oh dear, I hope I don't get jumped when we meet up. I would hate it if an attractive young woman suddenly dove on me.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
from fftogo
Inorite?
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
Duly noted, tres.
- Lo the Baker
*whistles innocently and trips knocking this back into rotation* Oops
- Joe "Looptid" Pierce
LOLOLOL
- Harold Cabezas
Vagina
- Sarah (or SCarla)
from iPod
Ha ha, Sarah is the only FFer in the "tried to hit that already, probably ill-advised" category :-D
- Lo the Baker
And as long as we're dragging this back out: Steven - CAJ had it right, I jumped my own bones. It had the odd effect of both relieving and then later exaggerating my sexual frustration. !@(#$*&!@)*# I thought there might be relief in the next few months, but it's starting to look like I was overly hopeful.
- Lo the Baker
Maybe I should start a "donations for sex toys" page :-P
- Lo the Baker
Maybe next week we can make this "dream" a reality ;-) #inappropriatecomments
- Lo the Baker
Aw, Ha3rvey beat me to being your 69th comment. It only seemed appropriate to mention that. >.>
- Penguin
All this time I've been wondering what it would take to be as cool as Derrick, and it was this all along.... :-P
- Lo the Baker
Hey, wait! I'M a cute Christian FF girl! I could be corrupted and photographed! I know someone who would even volunteer to take the pics! :-D
- Ladyepiphanybug
I go away for *one week*...
- Pete
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog - http://meme.yahoo.com/wrzl...
Can Diker, smallq, bugman and 135 other people liked this
şaşkın mı arkadaş canlısı mı? :))
- güliz
efsane doğruymuş :)
- Serkan Ünsal
@serkan :D
- Melih Bahadır Varol
zuhauhua şakamı bu yaa
- bur@kayd.in
Ukalalık gibi olmasın, bilmeyen vardır belki. Bu cümle İngilizce dili alfabesindeki 26 harfi de içerir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Awesome!
- Martha
ahahahahahahah
- Mahmut Çanga
herşeyin bir gerçek yönü var demek ki :)
- Onur Vural
aha ahah :)
- Burak
Ahaaa... İngilizce hocaları arasındaki bir şehir efsanesi sanıyordum ben bunu :)
- Bircan HANCI
ihi. şapşal şey. ahahah.
- Laleña
çok güzelll:))
- vişnap
Efsane gerçekleşmiş :)
- Yusuf Yıldız
Bayıldım.
- Okan Celep
Does anyone know if there is a way to push native friendfeed post (not everything) to facebook?
Kol Tregaskes, Yuvi, Alex Scrivener and 3 other people liked this
No one?
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
Yup, I could move back here than get stuck in the now-orkut-like facebook feed of mine. Anyone?
- Yuvi
Personally I want to use friendfeed as a way to post to both Twitter and facebook. But the problem with friendfeed for facebook is the fact that it post everything to facebook that goes to friendfeed.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
That is more then I want to do. I'll just continue to use lifestream on my phone.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
I don't know of any tidy way of doing this. But imports to FB from FF seem tidier anyway, e.g. I don't see YouTube duplicates. Might be just the way I was looking down my feed.
- Kol Tregaskes
Actually I found that what I wanted to do I could so with Ping.fm. I didn't realize they had an iPhone optimized version of the site. So now I got all that set up.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
Won't the Friendfeed app do that?
- Shey
It sends everything.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
Congratulations Bret for becoming Facebook's CTO!
scott willeke, Andrew David, 阿石 and 88 other people liked this
Fantastic news. Go team go. :)
- Louis Gray
Ditto
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks, Tudor!
- Bret Taylor
Go team :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Congratulations!
- Simon
Woo Hoo!!! Way to go, Bret!!
- Sheila Taylor
So when will you replace Facebook with FriendFeed? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congrats Bret ! :)
- denizoktar
Whoa. Congrats to you, Bret.
- Micah
Awesome, grats!
- Stephen Mack
Congratulations!
- Sanjay Ghemawat
Yah! Way to go Bret...
- amelia arapoff
Congrats :) (now it's time to look back at and improve FriendFeed, too)
- Özkan Altuner
Congratulations Bret
- Shakeel Mahate
Awesome!
- Lo the Baker
congrats!
- Arnaud Fischer
Many congrats Bret. I look forward to the day FB is as valuable and usable as Friendfeed.
- JCunwired
Many congrats Bret
- Jayavasanthan J
Congrats Bret - what a fabulous promotion & well deserved too!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Oh, and I love Jesse's question above!! LOL :D
- Susan Beebe
Wow nice
- Rodfather
Marvel Super Heroes 4D exhibition at Madame Tussauds in London: huge waxworks and a new film - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...
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"Jenny Orton cleans the 4.5m tall figure of the Incredible Hulk in the Marvel Super Heroes 4D exhibition at Madame Tussauds in London. The figure of Hulk is the largest waxwork ever produced by Madame Tussauds"
- RAPatton
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DoJ Apple probe grows beyond Music to Movies and Video - http://9to5mac.com/node...
Mr Ghaz, Yuvi and imabonehead liked this
Dear Apple, since you have now passed Microsoft in market capitalization we will now begin the colonoscopy of your business practices and we WILL find something. Would you like to go ahead and make a down payment on your penalty now? Respectfully Submitted, Your Gub'ment.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
it's about time!
- Joe The Sausage
39325
urdumania1, vovasty, Johnny and 121 other people liked this
ha nice!
- Wesley Barrow
from '95
- Paul Buchheit
Summer intern?
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, Sanjeev was also there that same summer as it turns out.
- Paul Buchheit
Crazy.
- Eric
oooh look at how young and cute Paul is! :) very cool that you saved this! What was your job title then (intern for ______)? What location did you work at? Does that # mean you were the 39,325 employee hired by M$?
- Susan Beebe
I bet I could find mine if I tried, too.
- Gabe
I wish I still had my Apple badge. They made me give it back when I left.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Do I sense a meme coming?
- Chris Lamprecht
Yeah, unfortunately I don't seem to have any pics of my Sun badge, so I can't collect the whole set :(
- Paul Buchheit
bummer! collection is busted
- Susan Beebe
my work badges are boring white - no logo..nothing - designed for max security I guess
- Susan Beebe
Gary, Paul and I both worked in Redmond. Paul worked on Plus! Setup.
- Gabe
Oooh I remember Plus! that was really cool and made Win95 rock!
- Susan Beebe
Ex-PM in Developer Tools here. Visual J++ for the um, ...
- DeWitt Clinton
Maybe it would be more efficient for everyone who didn't work at Microsoft to raise their hand.
- DeWitt Clinton
How cute ;)
- Bindu Reddy
I worked on Win NT, debugging OLE. It was pretty bad because the NT OLE code was fine; all the bugs were in 16-bit OLE apps. There are few things worse than debugging interactions between two 16-bit apps you don't have the source to!
- Gabe
Wow, 16 bit OLE. Why didn't you force everyone to use 32bit Word and Excel? It would've been very Apple of you.
- Eric
Yup, Redmond. I think I worked in building 4, which may not exist anymore, and lived across the street at "Timberlawn". I worked on the installer for "Plus Pack for Windows 95".
- Paul Buchheit
Eric, it gets worse: one of the first apps I had to look at was Ichitaro, Japan's #1 word processor at the time. It sure would have made things easier if I could have forced everybody to only use 32-bit English apps!
- Gabe
Awesome, Paul.
- Christopher Sacca
I tried, and I can't remember my ORCL employee number any more! Does that mean I've finally put it all out behind me?
- Tudor Bosman
My Intel WWID was 10599476, but I get the feeling that they added at least 10,000,000 to the employee number to generate that value.
- Paul Buchheit
I've already forgotten my Google employee number. I think my Yahoo! number was right around 9000...
- Kevin Fox
Ok here's a picture of my current ones I mentioned - sorta boring white plan ID badges http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
haha, cool... And I didnt even know that I´m apparently the only person on friendfeed who hasn´t been a summer intern at Microsoft
- Peter Efland
At least they gave you a top-30 number at Google :)
- Charlie Anzman
Once again proving that you're "kind of a big deal". Nice badge!
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
*swoon*
- Yuvi
I wonder if it was some kind of foresight to hang on to your old Microsoft badges, but not your diplomas.
- Clare Dibble
Nice, a blue badge. I consult for Microsoft and have an Orange badge.
- Alan Le
Wow! I was there that same summer interning for "Office Team Manager" I must have started a week or 2 before you as my employee number was 39207.
- Joe Beda
I think I returned my badge, so I can't remember what my employee number was. I worked on porting the standard ms installer from windows to the mac.
- Private Sanjeev
Sanjeev - a worthy cause for sure! :P
- Susan Beebe
It was a piece of code that Ben Slivka wrote to produce cab files :)
- Private Sanjeev
My MS ID was #38440 @ Microsoft... There were around 17k employees when I joined in 1995.
- Steve Lacey
You seem very happy in this picture. There's still so much hope and optimism in that face.
- April Buchheit
Old school.
- "Joey"
Bubbling entry to make the Microsoft people (http://friendfeed.com/paul...) feel better (or worse) :)
- Paul Buchheit
Bubbling? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
- Gabe
those are nice glasses :)
- bob
They are nice glasses, aren't they? Maybe I should switch back.
- Paul Buchheit
:D
- Susan Beebe
cute Paul :D
- Nimaa
You look not unlike Bill in that photo.
- Kevin Fox
IZE SORRY I ENDANJURED U - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008...
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LOLing.
- Clay Newton
I'm in
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Here comes the man hug express! *hug*
- Andrew Dobrow
Luk atz mai uid!
- Yuvi
I guess this is technically an LOLHuman.
- Andrew Dobrow
awww
- Bryn Youngblut
Panda's are quite possibly the most absurd looking animal second only to the duck billed platypus. It is for this reason that I <3 dem.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Kungfu Panda is showing his sensitive side! :)
- imabonehead
*bump*
- Micah
The "Auto LG" bot is often quite prescient. http://www.twitter.com/autolg
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I think I'm confused. Do you have an autobot or has someone created one to mimic you? I really don't understand. I do not get autobots. Not sure I see any purpose for them.
- Sheryl
Yuvi made this one which takes excerpts from my blog posts and mashes them up. Many times, they are amusing. Other times, they are just nonsense.
- Louis Gray
Sheryl - Autobots protect us from the evil Decepticons. :) Seriously, though, that account is pretty interesting. I might actually follow it, just to see what pearls of wisdom drop from it.
- Curdy G
There's one for Mona too - http://twitter.com/automona - which is, by LG's admission, far more hilarious than LG's :)
- Yuvi
I don't have infinite storage capacity.
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A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
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"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A. T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
I've got four monitors on one computer - all 24 inch widescreens. Nice.
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ooooo!
- Yuvi
i have 2x 24 inch wide screens works fine - but four hmmm mabye soon :-)
- Sean Price
hope you are putting them to good use? you might want to like some more things on FF too ;), keep FF open on one and just like everything you see like @scobleizer does :)
- Tweet Feeds
How are they arranged?
- Vezquex
Page 142: A system that ignores feedback has already begun the process of terminal instability.
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Just hid from our first Jehovah's Witness in the new apartment. The guy slid a hilarious pamphlet under the door though.
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Every time I get a piece of Jehovah's Witness reading material, I always think they're big fans of Bob Dylan. "Yeah, All Along the Watchtower is a pretty rad song, but a whole religion based off of it? I'm intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter."
- Mark Trapp
They are a joke.
- Alan (Giraffes)
I just loved that it says "Are you prepared for the end of the world?" with this rough painting of a bunch of people walking away from a huge storm and into the sunshine. "The End is Near"
- James Ferguson
What I do is, I put the sticker I get when I go to give blood, on the door. Never get a ring ding dong from them :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I was reading Bikini Girls of the Apocalypse and got leafletted with an end-of-the-world leaflet because of the book cover. I think they didn't notice the half-naked girl on the cover, just the mushroom clouds I used the leaflet as a bookmark.
- Wirehead
Quick question: Have any of you actually listened for a few minutes??? Seems to me you are forming opionions without any facts.....
- Roberto Bonini
Eric: if I remember correctly, the 144,000 would be the only ones chosen by God to be taken to heaven. The others saved would live forever on Earth (albeit an almost perfect, if not perfect version of it), ruled by Jesus, the 144,000, and Dylan. Roberto: yes.
- Mark Trapp
Well, excellent mark - well done. Thats basically it (without Dylan). And Slippy - have had my share of doors slammed in my face. Its not nice.....
- Roberto Bonini
Wow, they're out in force. Rahsheen got hit this morning too.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
The JWs in my area have gotten more active lately. We had some come to our door a couple of week ago, and I've been approached at two different filling stations over the last two weeks.
- Joey Gibson
Probably trying to cash in on all the political and social strife. Ghoulish, but something they do. I remember after 9/11 there was a huge push in evangelism, and many groups said explicitly : 'When tragedies occur there is an opportunity for evangelism, people are more "open", let's get to it'.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
As i just told Rasheen, we are following Jesus command at Acts 1.8 "and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju‧de′a and Sa‧mar′i‧a and to the most distant part of the earth." Last I checked very few "Christian" realigions do.
- Roberto Bonini
Eric: Roberto was the one wondering who actually listened to them, but thanks for the clarification about the 144,000; I guess I misunderstood what they were saying.
- Mark Trapp
I'm actually open enough to see what most of these religions have to say, but when you start talking about banging around with other men, they usually high tail it out of there.
- Derrick
Derrick, have you checked out a Unitarian Universalist church? I like their religion, but I found the folks that go there to be waaaaaaaay too far to the left for my taste. They're one of the few organized religions that openly welcome gays.
- iTad
We do not "cash in" as you so charitably out it..... We have been active for over 100 years. The preaching work is conducted in over 235 lands nations and territories. Our litrature is avaliable in over 400 languages (The Watchtower alone is printed in 140 languages simultaneously). We give everyone the opprtunity to learn about the bible regardless of language,social, political or economic conditions or status......
- Roberto Bonini
I got a visit from a Scientologist one time. I just said "Hail Xenu." and that scared him off.
- Wirehead
Tad, there's actually a United Methodist church in Hollywood that welcomes the gays and the two different pastors there are gay. I'm actually considering attending services there. http://www.hollywoodumc.org/home...
- Derrick
That is MUCH better than the stuff we have over here in India. Religious zealot turned moral police (i.e. Live like I tell you to, or I'll beat you up in the name of God!) is much less fun :( (The Government can't do nothin 'bout it, the Police can't do nothin 'bout it, and the Courts can't do nothin 'bout it. Sucks, pretty much)
- Yuvi
Roberto: no, you cash in. You see an opportunity to push your crap and you do. And I don't care whose "command" you think you are obeying...magic men that only exist in stories don't impress me. And making libraries of Bibles is "making available"...going door-to-door is nothing but religious spam.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Derrick - I grew up in a United Methodist church in Mississippi. We were definetely the most liberal denomination in town. I didn't know, though, that they were accepting of gays. Last I heard they tolerated gays, but still felt they had to be "cured" to get into heaven. I may have to go do some research. If I ever decided I wanted to go to a Christian church again it'd be a United Methodist one.
- iTad
Yuvi wins! :) Much easier to be an atheist here in the US than in India. Sad, though, because the world's largest atheistic religion, Buddhism, was born in India.
- iTad
@Tad Buddhism has morphed a lot, though, and taken on a lot of theistic strains and generally supernaturalist ideas. It's come a long way from the Tripitaka.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I'd encourage anyone who has the time to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... That's only one part of the bigger picture here folks. These guys RAN the state for some time!
- Yuvi
If there was some proof of life after death / Then folks would spend their every breath / Praising the God who provided the pass / But there is no proof. Alas. Alas.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
And to add insult to injury, that political party split off (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and now the two political parties have gang wars.
- Yuvi
We guys have a really strange (and intriguing) political system. The same people come to power again. AND AGAIN. And again. The Chief Minister of my State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) has been Chief Minister for so-long-i-don't-really-remember. The DMK (current ruling party in my state) and the ADMK (majority opposition) have EXACTLY THE SAME IDEOLOGY, but somehow are sworn blood enemies. This would be EXTREMELY FUNNY if not for the number of lives ruined...
- Yuvi
@Yuvi That's crazy. Are there any real avenues for reform, or is the system truly corrupt?
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I'd say that it's hopeless. Then again, I'm a programmer, and the first thing I say when I see a mess is "Let's scrap that and rewrite the whole thing" :D
- Yuvi
Neal: I respect how you feel completely and i can understand it as well. I take from your comment hat you don't belive in the bible. right??
- Roberto Bonini
My brother's only contribution to the internet before his death (that I could find) was a text file that someone saved from his Christian BBS back in the 80's and published online. It was intended for Christians and explains how they should deal with JW's. It's quite clever, from a Christian perspective. If I were a Christian, I suppose their showing up should be an opportunity, rather...
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- April
@Yuvi ROFL I have that urge again and again here in the US, too. "Government is an attempt to solve a problem case...this government doesn't do the job. Too many logic errors and bad designs to refactor and debug...time to re-engineer". The problem is that re-engineering governments is called "revolution" and causes suffering on massive scales.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Roberto I don't "believe in" anything. I believe that some propositions have such a great deal of justification and evidence that their likelihood of error is minute, such as laws of physics. I also believe that some things are "true" by definition so that we can build systems with them, like the axioms of logic and mathematics. I also believe that some things are not subject to...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Very good points there, Neal. So if one can prove things to be true, you'd have a justification to belive in them, right?? So, what "matters of fact" from the bible can be shown to be false???
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto No, you have misread me...there is no epistemological concept of "proof" outside mathematics and logic, and it only works there because there is a closed system of rules with axioms you chose, and even then any sufficiently complete system will have undecidable propositions (see Godel). Nothing in real life gets truly "proven"; it just becomes very unlikely that some things are...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Unicorns?!?
- Steven Perez
Sure fire way to make sure they will never come to the door again: Answer it in the nude.
- Karma Martell
We're modest that way, Karma. :)
- Steven Perez
@Steven: Job 39:9-12 (King James Version) 9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? 10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? 11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? 12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
not buying it, Steven :-)
- Karma Martell
@ neal: Here: (Job 39:9-12) Does a wild bull want to serve you, Or will it spend the night by your manger? Will you bind a wild bull fast with its ropes in the furrow, Or will it harrow low plains after you? Will you trust in it because its power is abundant, And will you leave your toil to it? Will you rely on it that it will bring back your seed And that it will gather to your threshing floor? - The New World Translation is acepted by most academic transators to be one of the most accurate. I asked.
- Roberto Bonini
As I said, Neal, we've revised a few things: "Does a wild bull want to serve you, Or will it spend the night by your manger? Will you bind a wild bull fast with its ropes in the furrow, Or will it harrow low plains after you? Will you trust in it because its power is abundant, And will you leave your toil to it? Will you rely on it that it will bring back your seed And that it will gather to your threshing floor?"
- Steven Perez
@Roberto If you can revise it, then it isn't "delivered truth". If it needed revising, then it wasn't "god-breathed, preserved through the ages". There are just as many "true-believers" who say KJV only, then there are those who read Hebrew who know damn well that doesn't say wild bull anymore than behemoth means dinosaur. ;)
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Besides, what about the rest?
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Erm Neal - can you read greek, hebrew or aramaic????
- Roberto Bonini
Many consider the word “day” used in Genesis chapter 1 to mean 24 hours. However, in Genesis 1:5 God himself is said to divide day into a smaller period of time, calling just the light portion “day.” In Genesis 2:4 all the creative periods are called one “day”: “This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day [all six creative periods] that...
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- Roberto Bonini
First “Day” 8 “‘Let light come to be.’ Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”—Genesis 1:3, 5. 9 Of course the sun and moon were in outer space long before this first “day,” but their light did not reach the surface of the earth for an earthly observer to...
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- Roberto Bonini
Second “Day” 11 “‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven.”—Genesis 1:6-8. 12 Some...
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- Roberto Bonini
Third “Day” 14 “‘Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.’ And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas.” (Genesis 1:9, 10) As usual, the account does not describe how this was done. No doubt, tremendous earth movements would have been involved in the...
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- Roberto Bonini
Land Plants on Third “Day” 18 The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11. 19 Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants had been created. The diffused light...
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- Roberto Bonini
Fourth “Day” 20 “‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.’ And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for...
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- Roberto Bonini
Fifth “Day” 24 “‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.”—Genesis 1:20, 21. 25 It is...
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- Roberto Bonini
Sixth “Day” 26 “‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:24. 27 Thus on the sixth “day,” land animals characterized as wild and domestic appeared. But this final “day” was not over. One last remarkable “kind” was to come: 28 “And God went on to...
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- Roberto Bonini
Slippy: fixing an error in translation is not a bad thing.
- Steven Perez
31 Many find it hard to accept this creation account. They contend that it is drawn from the creation myths of ancient peoples, primarily those from ancient Babylon. However, as one recent Bible dictionary noted: “No myth has yet been found which explicitly refers to the creation of the universe” and the myths “are marked by polytheism and the struggles of deities for supremacy in...
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- Roberto Bonini
Wow - it's everywhere today. They got me about four weeks ago and telling them we are raising the kids jewish didn't even stop them this time.
- Martha
@Roberto Have I not made it clear from my language I am familiar (very, very familiar) with Christian apologetics? I get it. It doesn't help and if you keep spamming the channel I will just block you...you are just copy-pasting. Please converse if you will, don't refer me to your pet authorities (of who all your opposition have their's, as well).
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I'm glad that my FriendFeed has become the new door for Jehovah's Witnesses to knock on. Thanks?
- James Ferguson
Erm, neal, I'm answering your question. I am not spamming the channel.
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto No, you spammed the channel with a bunch of cut-paste of your fave authority on the issue.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Slippy - as i asked neal, can you read hebrew Aramaic or ancient greek???
- Roberto Bonini
james - sorry.
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto Actually, I can passably do both, especially the Greek. I was once studying to be a Greek Orthodox priest. You know, the people that never had to translate it because they never spent 800 years forgetting how to read and letting the Catholics do it for them.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
The words I believe you are looking for are "snip snap". :)
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Sorry you feel that way neal. But the text I copied and pasted comes from one of our publications. And is intended to answer your question..... Could i have been more selective? yes, most probabaly.
- Roberto Bonini
BTW, I have always wondered, why are the Christians constantly arguing about the right translations when there are still Hebrew speaking Jews and Greek speaking Greeks available? These aren't lost tongues, here.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Wow. That is amazing Neal. Have you seen the original manuscripts??
- Roberto Bonini
No i can't. My point being that translations are required. And having an accurate translation is like having an accurate roadmap - if its not accurate, you're going to get very lost. therefore its in all of our interst to find an accurate translation of the original bible texts.
- Roberto Bonini
Well, I've seen photographic plates of "J" and the alleged "Q", but not the others. As any Biblical scholar would tell you, there are no "original manuscripts" of the Bible. There is the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT that would have been in use by Hellenicized Jews during the alleged time of Jesus, but that's hardly the same.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Slippy: So you are saying that current translations are as reliable as this translation: http://www.lolcatbible.com ;)
- Jemm
@Roberto See, that's one of the issues that make it all so unbelievable...the god of the whole universe discloses his nature and will...to one set of people, in one time, in their own language, filled with the symbols of their culture, in complete symmetry with the biases and racisms of that people and time. Why does that seem likely to you? The very fact that it needs translating, that it is not available to all of us all the time, makes it much more likely to be just a story, of one group at one time.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Excatly right neal. there are no original manuscripts. But by comparing copies of those manuscripts that have been made - for example comparing the dead sea Scrolls to copies made hundereds of years later - we can be very confident that the copies are accurate.
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto But that doesn't help with actual Canon...in order to "believe in" the Bible, you have to believe in the divine inspiration of the Council of Nicea.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Roberto And then you also have to believe in the divine inspiration of Martin Luther (if you use the small Canon) for the parts he took out.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
the Hebrew cannon was established far before that particular council. isin't that the same council that established Christmas as december 25th???
- Roberto Bonini
In general, it seems odd to me that the god of the universe would 1) have a chosen people and 2) only bother to tell them about it. I mean, why didn't he tell everyone else, too? He's supposed to be THE god...why not tell the Canaanites "I have a chosen people, it's them, give them your land"? Would have saved a lot of slaughter of the innocents...
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
In one study, scholars compared the 53rd chapter of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scroll with the Masoretic text produced a thousand years later. The book A General Introduction to the Bible, explains the results of the study: “Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only seventeen letters in question. Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense. Four...
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- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto But the Hebrew Canon is the not the Christian Canon, and the entire OT is not included in the Christian Canon. Wisdom of Solomon, anyone?
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
read that to the end.....
- Roberto Bonini
the cannon of the bible has been well established. The Jewish historian Josephus, in answering opponents in his work Against Apion (I, 38-40 [8]) around the year 100 C.E., confirms that by then the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures had been fixed for a long time. He wrote: “We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly...
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- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto...link. to. texts. If you copy-paste again, I am done. Your ideas, your words. Give me the goddamn respect of taking me seriously and not just C/Ping at me. And you are not answering every point, just picking out the one's you feel like you have an answer for. I have answered every post you have made. If you do not wish to discuss this in earnest, please simply refer me to your favorite apologist and withdraw the field.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
josephus quotes: http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text...
- Roberto Bonini
Are you guys still going?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Yep.
- Roberto Bonini
No, we are talking at cross-purposes. I thought we were debating epistemology, now apparently we are in copy-paste land from apologists who assumed the validity of the texts before they did their investigations. To Roberto, this all seems to matter, while to me this is just like arguing who shot first, Han or Greedo. Apparently the fact that the stories that I don't see any reason to...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Or the Zoroastrians for that matter...oldest living religion on Earth, I believe, and their texts are all consistent, too. How wonderful for them all. If only the DC universe could stay as consistent I wouldn't be having to reread Crisis on Infinite Earths to keep straight who the current Supergirl is supposed to be.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Well, in all fairness to Roberto, this is his faith you're attempting to poke holes into. I daresay that, given the right pressure point, you would not act in a dissimilar fashion, Neal.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Thank you Steven.
- Roberto Bonini
@Steven Actually, I have had to abandon several belief-systems because it became increasingly obvious they were not true. I was not always an atheist; I actually spent most of my life very religious until only a few years ago.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
As for me, I've heard all of the objections you've raised about the Bible before, Neal, and they sound remarkably familiar to similar claims on the Bible's authenticity from times past. And yet, somehow, the Bible always manages to land on the correct side. So, to each their own, I suppose.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Slippy has the right of it...this thread was originally about theists going door to door pushing their beliefs on others, after all.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the door-to-door thing won't last forever.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Pfff. Like the Mayans knew anything. They couldn't even deal with one little plague.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Seriously, the Jews had quarantine figured out while other people were feeding their sick dung.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Good point steven. No it won't. Neal. You have no belive in anything unless it is mathematically proven, right??
- Roberto Bonini
ALL HAIL STEVE JOBS!
- Yuvi
@Steven What do you mean by "correct side"? I would observe that the Bible has generally been abandoned as a premise for much of anything, whether the "divine" right to rule as a basis for government to cosmology, history, ethics, and science. In every place where the Bible rubs up against reality, it keeps getting pushed further and further into the gaps. When people are in court, the...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
neal: Grab the nearest bible you have, turn to Isaiah 40:22 and tell me how isaah knew that Thousands of years before we had scienctific proof.
- Roberto Bonini
You want a "fer instance"? OK: Isaiah 40:22: "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell," So riddle me this, Batman: how does some sheep-herder out in the middle of nowhere know that the earth is round when all of his contemporaries say that it isn't?
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Roberto I don't actually think you understand my epistemological standards at all, because you keep ascribing things to me that are in direct contradiction of what I say. I don't "believe in" anything...I believe that there are better reasons to believe some propositions than others. What I said was "proof", as in something is absolutely true, only exists in mathematics and only under...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Erm slippy that was written 600 years BEFORE aristotle came up with that idea.
- Roberto Bonini
You can check the dead sea scrolls if you think i'm lying
- Roberto Bonini
And remember, the prevailing theories on that one ran counter this idea, too.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Or one of my personal favorites, Job 26:7 "He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing;" How does some dude 4000 years ago, with no astronomical training or instruments, know that the earth is "hanging upon nothing"?
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Steven I am familiar with this, and while it is interesting, it is not all that odd. Many cultures already knew the world was round: the Greeks wrote of it being round because of the shadow of the earth on the moon during an eclipse, the Nords for some reason just said so, the Mesopotamians and Egyptians both wrote of the world as being a ball or circle. Just because western culture forgot some things during the dark ages doesn't mean no one knew it before.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
No, the word for circle in this verse also means "sphere", Slippy.
- Steven Perez
Actually, what I find far more interesting is that the oldest written documents already have a fully functional, though extremely limited, cosmology. Everyone seems to just inherit a knowledge of the star's motion and basic rotations, with only the mathematical limitations of a poor knowledge of ratios to limit leapyears.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Slippy: he is correct, in that dimensionality was not distinguished in shapes in ancient Hebrew very well.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Well, you then do it in Assembler. Or maybe C. Or LISP!
- Yuvi
Okay, I just realized I'm turning into a Troll. STOP. HIDE. BYE.
- Yuvi
The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere.”3 Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt. Additionally, only a spherical object appears as a circle from every angle of view. A flat disk would more often appear as an ellipse, not a circle.
- Roberto Bonini
You mean, besides most of the translations also translating the word circle in this vein? Gee, I guess not.
- Steven Perez
@Steven So if another religious text contained anachronistic scientific knowledge would you believe that? If it predated the Judeo-Christian tradition, would you convert?
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Slippy: in translation and history, it can.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Now you're nitpicking, Neal. You ask for a proof in my faith, and then try and use it to your benefit. Not cool.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Rich the point is - how did that get written??????
- Roberto Bonini
@Steven Actually, I am trying to prove a point...that what you would say counts as evidence for your faith would be discounted or explained away if held by another faith. I don't think anachronistic knowledge makes a claim for a religion...one doesn't follow from the other. The guy could just as easily been a time-traveller, making things up and right by accident, etc.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I guess. I mean, why wouldn't we know better than people trained in Bible translation, right? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...; This link is the verse in several different translations other than my Bible. Look for yourself.
- Steven Perez
It was crowdsourced!
- Yuvi
Aside from Neal's point about how many peoples knew or suspected that the earth was spheroid, what the heck does it matter? Why should I care if there if this or that amazing idea is in someone's holy book? The author ascribes it to his or her deity, but that doesn't make it so; there's no slam dunk there. You choose to believe. You argue from the authority you've accepted. I don't care...
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- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
Besides, as I already said...this wasn't anachronistic knowledge. Other cultures DID exist and DID have history, folks. (I know, hard to believe that anything other than the western narrative exists, but it does)
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Do you honestly believe that Bible translators, trained in the nuances of the Hebrew language spoken at that time, didn't take that into account, Slippy?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Should we all be Greek Atomists? They came up with the basic notion of atomic theory millennia early.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
There's not a lot to take away from this inane discussion other than probably none of you should quit your day jobs to become lawyers or join a profession that requires persuasion.
- Mark Trapp
I did. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Slippy, that's not true. You are making an argument that does not apply to how we study historical documents...when there is an implied meaning in a text it is generally understood and continued by contemporary writers, and as time go by when the ambiguity starts to show up the implied meaning becomes explicit through purposeful translation. Argumentum ad Populum isn't fallacious in history.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Soooooo ... hundreds of skilled translators still living are wrong, Slippy, simply because they didn't show their work?
- Steven Perez
Which is why I added the link showing the various translations, Rich: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...
- Steven Perez
As opposed to what, Slippy - "disc"?
- Steven Perez
Slippy - how may languages van you speak????
- Roberto Bonini
Not if the writer knew his audience would be so silly as to confuse something having depth as opposed to something flat.
- Steven Perez
*secretly wonders if James Ferguson thinks his random twitter post was hijacked".
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Slippy, no really, please, Steven and Roberto, et al, are correct on this one. And even if they wanted to withdraw the sphere/disc issue, Deuteronomy and Numbers both illustrate a knowledge of micro-organisms and contagion from mildew and decay, the translations are not ambiguous, and it is repeated. Almost all holy texts reflect some similarly anachronistic ideas...they are not persuasive, but are compelling.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
lol
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
sorry
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I am just trying to be honest. Weird shit is in there. I am not a moron, and there were good reasons I found some religious ideas compelling. The problem is getting from the small claims to big claims.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Slippy - can you translate one language to another directly??? That is my point
- Roberto Bonini
So if the small details are proving to be accurate, perhaps the larger claims bear some closer examination.
- Roberto Bonini
Such as...even if you accept a supernatural origin of a text, and supernatural events recorded in it, all it gives you is magic and spirits...not a deity. Deity is a metaphysically different notion from "spooky and powerful". Even if I grant all the supernatural stuff they want, all we can get to is a spirit that said it created everything, seemed to represent its power and character as...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Best to just leave it alone, Roberto.
- Steven Perez
Someone should start a party up in here... ya'll need a drink... or something :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
And besides, there's really only one way to ensure that JWs never darken your doorstep again. Or at least, not as often.
- Steven Perez
@Roberto Too many small claims that are necessary to some of the larger claims are inaccurate, however. There was never the census and slaughter in Rome recorded at the beginning of the NT, for example.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Steven - well don't keep us waiting.. spill the beans! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
And I'm gonna let you in on it: look them right in the eye and tell them, politely but firmly, that you do not wish to receive any more visits from Jehovah's Witnesses ever again. Believe me, we usually know when we're not wanted. And since we have a Biblical mandate to preach to the entire earth (MT 24:14), do you really think that we're gonna spend a lot of time talking to people who...
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- Steven Perez
Rich: no, that's a good way to keep a Witness at your door until they get hungry. Besides, we never travel alone. :D
- Steven Perez
LOL! Eric.. Really?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Random thought - the "add a comment" feature may be broken due to the length of this discussion... :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
@Eric That's right. That's like the ready-made cosmology every culture seemed to inherit before they wrote anything down...suggestive that something is weird. The problem is the leap from that to religion..."look! isn't that spooky? Therefore...there is a god" is a poor argument.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I hit that, too, Jannifer. For a moment, I thought James was tired of hosting a Scoble-length thread. :D
- Steven Perez
Poor James... here he thought he would simply answer Twitter's question - "What are you doing" and then this happens... :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
HA! Some of the best conversation I've ever had here started with something inane. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Eric I think the most likely explanation for a lot of this is another human civilization that came before. I mean, humans have been physiologically "modern" for about 100k years, yet we only have about 10k years of history, but at the beginning of that time we see a whole bunch of what appears to be advanced scientific knowledge being inherited as rules-of-thumb and religious...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Somehow my thread-killing abilities are waning. I'll just take my party elsewhere - ya'll are no fun! ;-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
@Slippy Yeah, that might work for the medical stuff (some of it), but EVERY early civilization sprouts with a fully functional astronomy/astrology, with all the math and time that implies.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Eric Interesting. For awhile I was going with a similar theory, but without the narcissism. Current neurological research shows that what we consider our thoughts and decisions are pretty much epiphenomenal, and we already made our choices in our non-conscious processing long before we know it or "do" it. I think there is chance that we are just processes, just data being sorted or...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Slippy But the issue is that we have documents, tablets, steles, and so on, which date from the earliest portions of recorded history, and they already treat that knowledge as common. Seriously, look into it...every early civilization, when they start building and writing, already have a fully functional cosmology, know the times of orbits, predict comets and eclipses, etc. Ancient...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Now those Apple fanboys, those are some weird cultists ... :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Slippy That's possible, of course. Also, I am not claiming that anything supernatural (what does that even mean? if it exists, it's in nature) gave us this knowledge. What I think is that humans most likely had a couple rise and falls before ours to fill up that 100k years. I mean, Western Civilization had a smaller one with the Dark Ages...we went from the heights of intellectual and...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Also, when we include Far Eastern history it gets weirder...they find machines sometimes. They have found a few in the Middle East and Greece, too, but more in the Far East.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Slippy Well, I don't automatically dismiss religious/magickal/spiritual/supernatural claims, I just subject them to the same kind of scrutiny I do any other kind of claim. I am open to the notion that there may, for example, be some other sort of intelligences running around that would loosely fit the common definitions of "spirits" or some such, and that they might do things, have...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Whoops, should have been "we have no evidence of any gods, angels, aliens, etc"
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Also, almost all early cultures have a myth that includes someone else before humans. Even the Bible has the Dukes and Kings of Edom, giants, etc. With the Celts and Picts you have Fomori, Tuatha De Danaan, etc, with the Nords you have giants and elves, Greeks have the Titans, etc. This is without even getting into traditional stories of Atlantis, Mu, etc. and lost civilizations stories in the west. They are all over once you start looking.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
And that is where we must disagree. Science and materialism have just as many epistemological problems as any other mandate epistemology. There is a serious problem in philosophy of science which may be illuminating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.... There are other serious problems as well (see Kuhn, Quine, et al for details concerning epistemological difficulties in...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
@Slippy And I have PTSD and Night Terrors, too...I commiserate. :(
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I try to get rid of Jehovah's Witnesses and those fresh-faced young Mormon missionaries as nicely as possible. Works, but it takes time.
- Dennis Jernberg
RT @JasonCalacanis Steve Gillmor just told me a secret. Scoble has the cooties. Neener neener!
Ankush Narula, Karoli, Susan Beebe and 4 other people liked this
shit. how did Dave find out.
- Steve Gillmor
So who did he kiss?
- Yuvi
Haha!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Wow but #FriendFeed is blowing up these days, eh? I haven't seen this much activity in months!
The Real sofarsoShawn, FFing Enigma, Devon Govett and 5 other people liked this
I wonder if something happened recently to put it in the news!
- Louis Gray
Good point Louis. I wonder what.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Did Google buy it or something? Oh Boy THAT would be news!
- Yuvi
LOL - thanks, smartasses! Hey - maybe they just FAKED being bought to juice up the traffic! Then everything would be okay!
- Ciaoenrico
Well Facebook bought it.
- Devon Govett
I know. I was being ironical.
- Ciaoenrico
You just gotta tinker with your lists.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
best feature of open source? Being able to tell people that if they don't like it, hey, they can fix it themselves. Nicest f**k you ever.
Yuvi, Ben Hanten, imabonehead and 5 other people liked this
The polite way to say "screw you" is "Patches welcome."
- Scott Lovenberg
werd!
- imabonehead
Is there a WordPress plug-in to automatically push new posts to FriendFeed via the API?
Nicola Greco, Robert Higgins, (jeff)isageek and 93 other people liked this
Instead of just having a new post show up as a title and a link when the system gets around to checking your feed, you could push an excerpt and an image to FriendFeed the instant the post goes up.
- Ken Sheppardson
There is a WordPress plugin to support SUP, which would accomplish the "instant" part of your goal: http://wordpress.org/extend.... To get images you just need to support MediaRSS (I believe there is also a WordPress plugin for that).
- Benjamin Golub
Cool, where do I sign...........?
- Kevin J Hatton
Nice idea!
- Don Bonaddio
Nice. I will use this... Thank ;)
- Semih Masat™
Benjamin: I knew somebody'd mention SUP :-) I'd rather not add some intermediate service/protocol, I just want the ability push directly via a single plug-in, preferably with a UI component that gives you control over what image or images are added, select the excerpt, select what groups the post goes to, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
What I want is probably similar to what Ken you want - something to push the title & link& image as a post, and an excerpt as a comment to FriendFeed, which would then go to Twitter. The group selecter would be ultra cool on top of that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, I'm using PUB-Sup, but what would be even more interesting is something that pushes, and tracks comments of the pushed post at the same time. I'd like to have real-time comments on each blog post.
- Jesse Stay
Matthew: Yes.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Have you seen this one: http://sudarmuthu.com/wordpre...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just found it, looking into it now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
WP-Sup (http://neothoughts.com/wp-sup/) + MediaRSS (http://wordpress.org/extend...) plugins will do the job
- Bwana ☠
Rob: Cool. Looks like Sudar's around http://friendfeed.com/sudar Maybe he'll drop by...
- Ken Sheppardson
Just sent him a tweet. Hopefully he'l join us :) Looks to be in india
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OK, I get it, guys. I know how SUP works and I know you can use SUP and MediaRSS to accomplish what I want. But I don't want to ping some API to tell it to go pull something from a feed... I want to make a single call to the FriendFeed API designed for creating entries http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
Shouldn't be that hard to build. You can do it Ken :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I think Sudar has already. :-) I'm going to put his implementation through its paces over the weekend.
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh ok cool... Hmmm.. I'd try it, but I'm not sure how it'll affect Backtype Connect on my blog. I want to be sure the FF comments get pulled in correctly.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: not sure exactly what you want to try - but in general any entry that links to your posts will be connected by BT Connect -- we do of course try our best to cut out things like auto snippets of text that appear as comments when using the FF bookmarklet.
- Mike Montano
Mike - I just wanted to be sure if I remove my RSS feed from FriendFeed and use this solution, will my comments get pulled back into my blog. I gather the plugin would have to only link to my blog from FriendFeed, and Backtype does the rest
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, it seems like once the plugin creates the entry on FriendFeed with a link to your blog post, you're home free, no matter how that entry is created.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like I like
- Michael Ehline
Hi Guys, nice to know that the Plugin (Post2FF) which I created around 9 months back is of use to someone :) I am take the code dust it off and will add the new features that you requested. Stay tuned :)
- Sudar
Awesome! Thank you very much Sudar!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Of note, Sudar: it would be most handy if we could select the link that is published on the entry - either the linkt ot the blog entry or the ff.im link. (wasn't clear to me if the API actually supports this?) On most of my blog posts, I'd like to direct people straight to the post, but someone or some entries might prefer linking to the FriendFeed post/discussion
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am done with the modifications to my Plugin to add new features like choosing the room to which the link to be posted, selecting images etc. Will release it after completing the testing. If anyone is willing to do beta testing, just ping me.
- Sudar
I'd love to give it a try :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yay Sudar with his remedy to dust off (Post2FF)
- Janaree Nore
Sudar: Ping. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, Please DM your email address and I will send the Plugin for beta testing. If everything goes well, I will be able to release the Plugin tomorrow by this time.
- Sudar
Sudar, sounds interesting. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So guys, finally I have updated my Post to FriendFeed Plugin with support for rooms. You can get the new version at http://sudarmuthu.com/blog...
- Sudar
Also let me know if you face any issues.
- Sudar
I want it thanks Sudar!
- Robert Freeze
Are we able to do the revere post from FF -> Wordpress, not as a rss thing but as a post?
- Chirag Chamoli
@Chirag, I am not sure if I understood your question. Can you explain it a bit?
- Sudar
nice! like the idea Ken.
- .LAG liked that
I wanted to understand If I can autopost from friendfeed to Wordpress. I am using the rss feed in the sidebar, instead I want the stuff to be added to wordpress as a post.
- Chirag Chamoli
from email
@Chirag, You can install WP-O-Mattic WordPress Plugin (http://devthought.com/project...) and use the FF rss as input to publish from FF -> WordPress. (I haven't tried it, so not sure if it will work 100%)
- Sudar
@Sundar: Thanks I will start working on that.
- Chirag Chamoli
I am interested in using Sundar's plugin. Is it compatible with WordPress 2.8.3?
- Skyler Call
@Skyler Call, It should be compatible, since it doesn't use any functions which were changed in 2.8+ Anyways I will check it and will bump up the supported version in readme file.
- Sudar
@igorthetroll I blocked you over on FriendFeed. I don't like talking with someone who is a troll. See ya.
Chris Clayton, Czar, Dewald Pretorius and 13 other people liked this
What's in a name? I don't think Igor is a real Troll ;)
- Pierre-Philippe Martin
from twhirl
A lot is in a name. I want to only see people who use their real names so I know where they are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
wait, you don't know Igor Thetro II... son of *the* Igor Thetro ??
- Alan Cheslow
oh, come one Scoble, my name is Marcus Debonaventure -- what's in a name ?
- General Kafka
I have to agree with Kafka. Why is the name important? What he does and what he writes count more.
- Morton Fox
Morton: I don't like him and I don't like someone who calls himself a troll. Especially since I've found over and over again that the name fit. I want to subscribe and see smart people. Not anonymous jerks. If you go jerky on me I WILL block you.
- Robert Scoble
The fact is, this is Robert's Twitter and FF and he can ban people if they look at him cross-eyed if it bugs him. He doesn't really have to justify that.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Think it's more that he looks like a troll....
- Rich
If someone harasses me or makes nasty comments, etc. I *might* block them but I would only resort to this if that person went out of their way to be a royal jerk and purposefully make my life miserable, oppress me, slander my name, say terrible things about me, my friends, etc, etc. In that rare case, I would see that they were stalking me and trying to harm my online identity and experience = EPIC FAIL = BLOCK
- Susan Beebe
Susan: there are so many distribution channels for anonymous jerks that I don't feel that I need to put up with that here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: So true! and I bet they exist in ALL channels available to them...nice. Being able to be selective via a BLOCK feature is therefore essential for folks who are in the limelight like you are!
- Susan Beebe
More important than a real name is consistent identity... if you're "beezlecruft" on every service and your blog, then you're a recognizable persona. This is a good thing. On the downside, you make people around you feel like an idiot by writing things like: "Here's the thing, beezlecruft..."
- Roger Benningfield
There's probably an interesting post in here somewhere on why it's necessary to announce who you're blocking. I do the same thing sometimes and always catch flack for it. Unfortunately, I've been up too many hours to properly defend myself intelligently as to why I do it, so we'll see if I'm interested in this topic tomorrow enough to post on it.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Roger: For years, I posted anonymously on the 'Net as simply "rizzn." Up until about 2 or 3 years ago, I was the only Rizzn in Google. When I wanted to go a bit more mainstream, I wound up merging the nick with my real name, partly so that there wasn't an identity split, partly for the SEO value, and partly so that folks wouldn't have to feel silly and call me Rizzn.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
one of the advantages of having the #24 most common male first name and the #16 most common last name. I can *roll with my real name...
- Jay Martin
"My name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father, not I must kill you." My favorite introduction. I like my name, Micah. Why not use it? Plus most people dont pronounce it right, so I know if you know me.
- Micah Baldwin
"My name is Inigo Montoya... you killed my father... prepare to die!"? Very good line :P
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
isn't the issue one of transparency, if the handle says "troll" & their actions are trollish, they're a troll, block makes sense
- mike "glemak" dunn
er... isn't the whole point of all these SM tools the ability to create your own conversation and experience? To be honest, I blocked "the troll" a few days ago. His comments to me and others were making me uncomfortable. Done, and done. It's not personal, it;'s just the way I choose to shape my social media experience.
- Sue Murphy
I'm with Robert on this one. That guy was the reason why I was looking for a way to block someone's comments from my feed.
- Dewald Pretorius
oops, sorry, I have been using my handle for like ever. Anyways, I'm the ONLY person on the web who uses puckman as a handle ;)
- Gerard van Schip
as I've used my handle for years, I've kept at it; and as I may post things which might be negative about my current employer, I want to make it harder for the HR(non tech savvy) types to find it......add-on to that, my names are not common, google and find me alone + a bunch of dead people with my names
- clarke thomas
I only use a handle because I have quite a common name. I'm not tryin' to hide behind anything!
- Sue Murphy
@scottbourne, I agree - people need to use their real identity online, otherwise what's the point?
- Rich
I had to block igorthetroll too! He was calling me bad names and commenting on everything I said with weird, nasty comments. What a boring life to be "that guy."
- Alana Taylor
A good handle when backed by a real person with a consistent personality should be nothing to be ashamed of. Handles are easier to remember. It's part of the personal brand.
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
Chinkerfly, it's not about being easier or just as good. It's a principled matter. If you don't want to back what you say and what you do with your identity, you aren't playing the same game as a lot of us are. Speaking for myself and others like me, we're interested in using social media as a supplement to our real-world business, personal, and social relationships, not as a replacement or an alternative.
- Mark Trapp
for the sake of scoble, i've changed my comment name to the name I go by.
- clarke thomas
Just want to point to the fact that nicknames are soooo web 1.0... :-)
- Orli Yakuel
Igor the Troll is just annoying. I'm sure he has good intentions and all, but I can only take so much.
- Ben Parr
I don't see the value behind the whole "real name" push - this happens to be my real name, but how do you know that? What's the real difference between a handle and a real-seeming name that might not be real?
- David Worrell
You're straw-manning the issue, David. It's not just about the name: it's about a verifiable identity. If you can't be tied to an identity offline, you might as well use a nickname as it has the same effect on how people perceive you.
- Mark Trapp
This is so unfair, it's like blocking Loic Le Meur for being too much of a meur.
- Andy Roberts
Take a look (some quick and dirty content analysis): Igor the Troll, Noah David Simon, Israel, Mossad: http://snipurl.com/2iquj | http://snipurl.com/2iqv5 | http://snipurl.com/2iqve
- Sean McBride
So what are you trying to say, Sean?
- George Hall (Australia)
Not sure I like your inference, Sean.
- George Hall (Australia)
I am who I say I am. I'm not hard to find. I say what I mean. I don't need to hide. If some of the sites I use would allow me to change my original name (gmail/google, flickr among others) to my real name, I would. Be yourself, life's better that way.
- Robert Kenney
OK - I am trying Friendfeed again @scobleizer won't let me not!
Tom Milsom, Svartling, Mac Sharp and 6 other people liked this
add your twitter feed pls
- Steve Gillmor
Welcome! :) Come join the FF Beginners Group: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Rochelle
Hi
- Andru Edwards
Hello
- Matt G
I'm still subscribing to the beginners group!
- Leo Laporte
I was waiting for Winer to tell me to use FF :-)
Ruchira S. Datta, JCunwired, April and 21 other people liked this
Scoble, your dropping the ball. ;)_
- sean andersen
I can lead Guy to water...
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hey Robert, now that Guy's here, you want to see the new network I found that's way better? (wink)
- Louis Gray
Oooh! Them's fightin' words, Louis!
- WoH: Minding her Botts
I feel like I'm watching Clash of the Titans.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Winer definitely does not know how to use friendfeed
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Louis: you have to use it for four months to shake the bugs out. Then I will be over. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
(makes popcorn)
- chaz2b
I thought Winer had given up on FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Unless I convinced him to start using it again last night ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Oh wait, that sounded bad...
- Jesse Stay
No He uses FF.
- BairdWilliamson
Baird, I don't think he's a huge proponent of FF though. I'll let him speak for himself if he reads this however. I got that feeling when talking with him yesterday.
- Jesse Stay
Jessie - Well Please let him know that I (and I'm sure others) can find easily and get WAY more out of his conversations in FF.vs "finding the whisper in the hurricane" that Twitter can potentially be. And could you also ask him where he posted the Twitter OPML exporter app he mentioned he was going to write too? ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Who's this Jessie you speak of? ;-) I see no girls in this conversation (yet).
- Jesse Stay
DOH! Sorry!
- BairdWilliamson
That was a typo not a gender..erm..-ypo ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Friendfeed playing hard to get is why the action is tops here.
- Micah
no girls? look harder....:)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
WorldofHiglet you need a more feminine username! :-)
- Jesse Stay
where would be the fun in that?!
- WoH: Minding her Botts
I don't mind not knowing one's gender as conversations and new connections evolve. I mean sometimes I do, that's true too.
- Micah
Old habits die hard - all my usernames have been gender-neutral. You have more fun and less unwanted annoyance that way.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
The "Higlet" part was a bit of hint for me but I admit I checked.
- BairdWilliamson
You'd be hard pushed to know. There are few pics of me around and it generally doesn't come up very often. But when it does it's usually amusing - to me, anyway :) DId you like my blog?
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Which one?
- BairdWilliamson
Well the answer NOW is yes... in triplicate. And when do you manage to find the time to fit in...I dunno...lets say....sleeping? ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Yes, that's the tricky bit and the reason I can't update as much as would like (damn you feeble body requiring sleep!)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
11 old-school Nintendo tricks you will never forget: http://om.ly/?CRbR AC
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