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Taken - http://www.netflix.com/Movie...
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Alan Le, Amber, Random Time Lord, The Archangel ωαřмaiden and Steven Perez liked this
Bread Shoes! No really. - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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LOAFers!
- Yolanda
+100 Yolanda!!! :o)
- Ken Morley
Yolanda wins.
- Maxamad
:) Yolanda
- VAL D.
+++Yolanda
- Anika
Two great things Dogs Love to grab when your not looking!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Pantuflas de pan, me gustaría un par de salvado.
- Dan
vey very nice!
- michelA marra
Yolanda won the thread on the first post.
- Andrew C
+1 Andrew
- Zee.
Toasty! Um mm mm mm mm.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Glen++
- Andrew C
Looks great to me!
- TrafficBug
Just amazing pics. Nice collections you have.
- Brook White
They look delicious ! :)
- j1m
not after I'VE worn them.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Fwd: force (via http://friendfeed.com/funny-p...)
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Kenton, Alan Le, Chieze Okoye and 2 other people liked this
I put Dragon Age in my XBox 360 and the next thing I knew it was 4 hours later. Bioware == awesomeness.
Ron Bailey, Thierry R. Andriamirado, David Cook and 17 other people liked this
I'm looking forward to getting this.
- Parvez Halim
Bioware CHOKED by EA. I bet it would have been even better if EA wasn't dryhumping Bioware
- Mo Kargas
I don't much keep up with new games...what kind of game is it?
- Jonas, Leper of FF
Nice. Is it watered down at all? I miss the old school RPG games.
- Rodfather
I can't wait to get this game.
- Chieze Okoye
It's the modern, 3D successor to Baldur's Gate without the D&D/Forgotten Realms baggage. I played through 2 and a half of the 6 intros, and they're each excellent. I haven't gotten much further than where each of them merges into the main storyline. The controls are pretty awkward, but not too surprising for a feature packed game squeezed onto a console.
- Internet's Tad
A few people at work have mentioned it. It's an RPG right? I've never really got into RPGs.
- Kol Tregaskes
I ordered it off steam last night. 15GB download :O
- Rodfather
Hmmm...real-time combat, or turn-based? (or the pseudo-realtime thing they did in KOTOR, which I'm fine with).
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I believe it's realtime but you can pause and queue up spells/abilities. At least real-time compared to Japanese RPG's.
- Rodfather
From what I read, in the console versions you are in the 3rd person perspective only and plays like KOTOR. You switch between team members with the triggers. In the PC version, you get both a 3rd person perspective and top-down view (like Baldur's Gate)
- Rodfather
OK, I might give it a looksee. I played the Warhammer: Dawn of War 2 demo the other day. really, really liked it.
- Kol Tregaskes
You can download the demo for the 360 to see if you'll like it. Actually maybe not.. at least someone told me there was a demo.
- Rodfather
Thanks, Rodfather, I might give it a rent. I like western RPGs (KOTOR, Oblivion, Fallout), but not Japanese ones that much, and I haven't played Baldur's Gate or Diablo or any of those PC ones to really know what they're like.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Dragon Age is VERY similar to KOTOR, Mass Effect, etc, just with a fantasy flair.
- Internet's Tad
Tad, SWEET! Sounds right up my alley. Can't wait for Mass Effect 2. Dragon Age wasn't even on my radar, so thanks for mentioning it.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yup - you'll love it Jandy. Also, it comes with some sort of "in game" item thingy for Mass Effect 2
- Internet's Tad
Modern Warfare 2 Tipped To Break Entertainment Launch Records | Edge Online - http://www.edge-online.com/news...
"Activision’s upcoming shooter Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is being heavily tipped to break entertainment launch records following its release on November 10."
- Kol Tregaskes
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Smile! 14ft shark flashes a toothy grin for the camera | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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Hutch Carpenter, Jason Huebel, Iván Abrego and 19 other people liked this
"Boasting a toothy grin, this gigantic shark seems more than happy to pose for the camera. In fact, the predator seems more reminiscent of Bruce, the smiling cartoon shark from the 2003 cartoon Finding Nemo, than a bloodthirsty cousin of Jaws. The 14ft great white was snapped off the coast of Guadalupe island, Mexico, by scuba diver Amos Nachoum in August. Daredevil Amos regularly swims with the monsters and even takes divers on expeditions to meet them."
- RAPatton
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should take "him" to a dent:))
- fatoskaracam
Uhm... "... expeditions to meet them." Great Whites. No..
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
If anyone knows where I can get some good, large underwater shark action photos to use as desktop wallpaper, let me know.
- Kittyburgers
Went to grind coffee beans into coffee, opened cupboard ... *stumbles backward* no coffee. No Coffee. NO COFFEE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason Huebel, Steven Perez, Kol Tregaskes and 13 other people liked this
and it was my own damn fault.
- Micah Wittman
*calls 911*
- Anika
*encourages emergency trip to grocery store*
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
OH. MY. GOD
- Mo Kargas
Surely there has to be a coffee emergency hotline.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
<gasps> *slumps*
- Micah Wittman
The Horror!
- Rasmus Lauridsen
*shocked & appalled* :D
- Rene Wirtz
Wha?!?!?!
- Helen Sventitsky
reminder to self. check pantry, inventory coffee.... i think we're low..
- Mike Nencetti
ALWAYS have a little to spare tucked away in the freezer. Silly man. :)
- jcunwired
Where has my FriendFeed gone? The picture says it all. By the way, this is the "best of day" right now. Sad.
Ankush Narula, Luca Sofri, scott willeke and 65 other people liked this
Compare these two. FriendFeed has great pictures, but content that is, well, not interesting. Twitter, on right, has 6,000x better content but doesn't look as nice due to no pictures. Will Brizzly come to rescue?
- Robert Scoble
I hope somebody comes up with a fabulous client to maximize content and serve up more media
- Susan Beebe
And people wonder why I don't come here much anymore. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed used to be very heavy in tech discussions. Now it's rare I see a tech discussion on the "best of day" feed.
- Robert Scoble
The cap on the left is infinitely preferable to the right. I can't tell you how glad I am not to be inundated with tech stuff all day long. One man's trash...
- Jim Hearts FF
Time to adjust your subscriptions.
- Bruce Lewis
try PowerTwitter ...also, which service has 6000x more users? doesn't that affect content choices?
- .LAG liked that
I keep looking for the comments link on Brizzly.
- Tom Landini
PowerTwitter is a great add to the twitter website (Firefox add-on)
- Susan Beebe
There's more to talk about than just "tech", seriously...
- Rob H.
Robert - Do you have any general news, world news Twitter lists/groups? I tried scrolling through you lists, but they all seem pretty tech-slanted. If Twitter is to replace Friendfeed and Google Reader, then we need to be able to get real news and information out of the thing.
- Matthew DeVries
The left is a best of day from your 28000 subscriptions. The right is a heavily curated list focused on something you are interested in. Try "best of" on a curated list (there is a link at the bottom of every list feed to best of for that feed).
- Benjamin Golub
agree totally with you Scoble, Bruce: adjusting wouldn't make a difference now
- ffcode
Ben - great advise!
- Susan Beebe
I know twitter is occupied with infrastructure and list improvements, but you would think they could be building brizzly-esque features pretty easily.
- Sean Montgomery
Sean - right. Twitter has to stablize their platform, then focus on UIX
- Susan Beebe
Matthew: I'm a geek. Other people are doing news lists. I might start one, though. You are the second person to ask for one.
- Robert Scoble
and there aren't tech discussions here one of the prime reasons are Scoble left and he is usually followed by around 10k folks everywhere, and his predictions affect all, weak or strong minded
- ffcode
I find it a fascinating observation: Twitter is better than FriendFeed because there's more tech discussions in my feed. Is that the criteria you use for judging other social media sites? Because, IMHO, social media is about connecting people, not about tech discussions.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
ffcode: sorry, I'm tracking the geek participation here and sorry, the really geeky stuff has definitely gone down.
- Robert Scoble
always wondered how your feed would look like but it is clear you are no different ;)
- ffcode
Robert - I come to you because you're the best list builder and analyzer of signal to noise.
- Matthew DeVries
Glen: sorry, where the geeks go generally the general public follows. Generally. And, anyway, compare this stuff to Facebook. Even there it's a loser, sorry. I watch my wife's feed all the time and compare it to FriendFeed and FriendFeed loses. She said "ew" when she saw my page here.
- Robert Scoble
only 2 likes on a celebrity picture(demi moore)? I guess people really did run away!
- PJ Edwards
Glen: by the way, I can make such a screen shot for a bunch of different genre's, not just tech. Twitter has far more diversity and has far more flow of all kinds. http://listorious.com 's huge first weekend demonstrates that.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: if you don't want just tech, check out http://listorious.com -- what list would you like? In one weekend Twitter got more diversity thanks to lists than FriendFeed did in 18 months. And no "ew" pictures.
- Robert Scoble
You still have to come here. It's mandatory
- Charlie Anzman
sad one of the best place is going down like this and it is going the way every other social network is "just for fun"....:(
- ffcode
Charlie: I do, but now you know why I don't show off FriendFeed at conferences anymore.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed's still here. Unfortunately when Scoble, FriendFeed's top user goes, so go the users.
- Jesse Stay
number of places on the twitter display where you could see an inline discussion: zero.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I follow Scoble, but I'm not going anywhere, Jesse.
- Jim Hearts FF
Either that, or this just means FriendFeed has gone mainstream, and is no longer just tech users any more ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Robert left Twitter for quite a while (well, not left, but just had it parroting his FF) and it didn't seem to hurt Twitter any. Robert can't make or break a service all by himself.
- Matthew DeVries
I guess I just don't get it. My Facebook connects me with friends I haven't seen in years and relatives I contact rarely. With Facebook, I can keep in touch far better than I ever have in my life. I learn about my cousin in the ICU with pneumonia, and my good friend in Indiana who just had a grandson. The whole format is not compatible with tech discussions; the length restrictions...
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- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Code junkies best of week: http://friendfeed.com/code-ju...
- Bruce Lewis
@Cristo: +3000. @Robert: Change your subscriptions. You just haven't curated your worldview here as much lately. Things change, so must your prism.
- AJ Kohn
as usual, Robert's death of FF posts shoot up the charts. get it?
- Steve Gillmor
Matthew, see my second comment. I think some of it is that FriendFeed's userbase has changed as well. It's not the tech early adopters any more. I expect with Facebook's acquisition it will become more so that case.
- Jesse Stay
My point being this comparison doesn't mean much
- Jesse Stay
What is "geek" to you Robert? Because I've been seeing plenty of "geek" posts in the subscriptions and rooms I follow here on FriendFeed.
- Maxamad
Mehmet: geek is someone talking about technology or talking about building something or excited about using such. Do you see any geek in the friendfeed screen shot? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Agree with Jesse here.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Bruce: is that the best example you got? All those items have no discussion!
- Robert Scoble
And like Tom's comment [keep looking for comments link on Brizzly] LOL!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
o.O Louis is pretty geeky. His kids already have Macbooks.
- Matthew DeVries
The most active discussions I've seen on FriendFeed lately are only when someone proclaims or laments its decline. Sad but true.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Or when Jason holds a live chat.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Robert, twitter=no conversation. I'll deal with the 'ew' pictures by simply using the 'hide' button, that's why it's there. You go your way, I'll go mine. It's all good.
- Jim Hearts FF
do anybody no why Scoble can't just leave us alone. Friendfeed is dying according to him, no need to make it a self fulfilling prophecy. The more you "high profile" users criticize FF the faster folks will leave it.
- Tendonitis' Bitch
Coding geeks communicate best with code. Neither twitter nor FriendFeed let you indent. So there's going to be more sharing and less conversation for coders.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert ,the best of the day are comments and likes on a post ,not content. all the contents from Twitter,blogs,Rss etc are here and its better to get them here or in public groups or in private , I am not sure that on Twitter ppl are acting ,they are just reading same as here
- Johni Fisher
agree with Steve Gillmor, users are here but they are doing things way different now than they used to when Scoble was around
- ffcode
agree more than 100% that "those" tech talks are just gone
- ffcode
You're comparing a hand crafted twitter list to friendfeed's user-generated best-of-day?
- Andy Bakun
Gunny, give the guy a break. He feels forced to be on twitter and misses the conversations on FriendFeed. Did you look at the right-hand picture from twitter? No conversation happening there at all. Zero. I can't imagine hanging out there all day.
- Bruce Lewis
I skip all the tech anyway. Who says it's "better"?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Cristo: try seeing feed around those times when there when acquisition talks
- ffcode
Why can't there be a friendly friend feed and a tech friend feed? Is there no other use for the internet than to talk about the internet?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Tech and coding news is primarily what I look for in FriendFeed, and I find it. Conversation happens, as well as users bumping things up with likes. Subscriptions (friends and rooms) help filter tech content that I want to see. A like is sometimes as good as a comment.
- Maxamad
and Andy: you are yourself stating what Scoble has been saying all the way twitter is place where you can get your taste now not here anymore
- ffcode
Robert- regarding your early early comment- I find it refreshing that FF isn't about tech
- anna sauce
+anna, +Glen, and even +cristo
- Kamilah Gill
Does Plurk get this much attention about its inevitable death? Now there's a service that could really use the wake-up call.
- Mark Trapp
Robert never got infatuated with Plurk, Mark.
- Maxamad
Robert most of the change is in the place that you decided to open a subject and to post ,I remember 3 months ago your posts here were with tooons of comments and interest and from the day that you are posting your Twitter FAV here, there is not much action ,just think on that ,I like to read your Twitter FAV but I would better have them in a group and get yr posts like in the past
- Johni Fisher
Yeah, you're pretty geeky there when you have to search how to make screenshots
- KapitanObvious
agree Johni
- ffcode
thx ff
- Johni Fisher
To be honest, any social network with content governed by who you're subscribed to, and having image media in a feed is going to come up with something you don't like. This is because no one is on topic all the time, especially on Twitter. If you want sanitized feeds from *only* tech experts, geeks and what have you, these sort of services aren't going to cut it for you....
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- Mo Kargas
I sure like the interaction here, comments, community...this post shot over to Twitter, but there is nothing going on there about it.
- Eric Matas
@Eric Yes exactly, to me it looks like a glorified RSS stream from different sources, fundamentally a list of content and that's it. The topics Robert is after may not be present on FF, but the conversation is far more intuitive.
- Mo Kargas
"glorified RSS stream"...pretty much sums it up.
- Maxamad
Hey GUISE, we're forgetting that the list on the right will fail-whale often as twitter never seems to remember how to run their servers. As to the content on the left not being interesting, well...at least I know it's real people who aren't trying to get me to buy into some new brand or some interchangeable tech company that will just be bought by facebook one day and disappear. :)
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
I just can't wait for the day that Scoble ditches Twitter for the junk it is. Should give me a good laugh.
- Maxamad
Twitter has no "ew" pictures because it has no pictures. You can use the fftogo option that turns off media if you want no pictures.
- Bruce Lewis
For conversations, friendfeed wins. For tons of blabbers and links, twitter wins. But agreed, activity has gone down heavily on friendfeed. Twitter mania has caught everyone.
- Amit
Interesting tech discussions from http://friendfeed.com/paul... are "Think big. Code small" and the ooc one.
- Bruce Lewis
One anecdote deserves another. I've posted on FF regularly for 1.5 years. I comment frequently on others' tech posts, but most of my own posts are not strictly tech-angled. This week I asked "FriendFeeders : NEED ADVISE: Best all-around value Netbook today - which one?" and it got 16 LIKES and 20 COMMENTS. The last time one of my posts hit/surpassed that threshold was early August http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Micah Wittman
One thing I noticed is no conversations. Just straight links to other sites. Kind of boring.
- Todd Hoff
BTW is it possible to stop getting the twitter updates from others on Friendfeed? Slowly I am seeing my friendfeed aggregating only the twitter updates.
- Amit
Yeah, you can Amit. Just click "hide" on a tweet you see in FF, and then choose to "hide other items like this one"...and go from there.
- Maxamad
Robert is just being Robert, always stirring things up! LOL, I really do ♥ you for it though.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Wait, you were all like ' I LOVE FF ' this summer. Singing your praises on the TWiT network and all that jazz. You're even more of a fair weather fan than Minnesotans with our sports teams.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
No hatin' on the Vikings here, they try hard :p
- Maxamad
Twins? Timberwolves? Wilds? Take your pick if the Vikings don't do it for yeh.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
You know what makes me laugh... People who use FriendFeed in other languages probably don't see this or any of the stuff Robert is interested in...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
+Johnny W.
- Kamilah Gill
BTW... Heaven forbid we actually have fun on a Sunday... Your lawn's that way
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
You're really going to show me Wall Street Journal on your Twitter feed and compare that to Friendfeed's personal interaction? You know better, Robert.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
KapitanObvious++ for the burn.
- Andrew C
One of the nice things about Friendfeed is the way you can hide a post like this and not see it ever again. It would be nice to have a way to filter posts from specific people if they contained certain words such as twitter, lists, dead, or friendfeed. :)
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Robert GFY dude, seriously.
- LANjackal
""glorified RSS stream" - yeah, except my RSS feeds have been culled down to sources that add their own insightful commentary so it's not an endless stream of retweets of _all the same damn links repeated over and over_. That Twitter screenshot looks really information-light once the repeats are filtered out...
- Andrew C
FRIEND Feed.
- Internet's Tad
And this coming from a man who posted this online: http://valleywag.com/assets... :P
- Jan Ole Peek
The Friendfeed screenshot shows 222 total interactions in the first three entries. The twitter one shows 14 (and I'm counting the one at the bottom that is cut off). Oh wait, those aren't interactions, those are links to other places.
- Andy Bakun
I think Robert is just confusing the point of the site. The name is FRIEND Feed, not interesting feed, useful feed, news feed, etc. This is where I hang out with my friends.
- Internet's Tad
Robert, you're cool and everything, but sometimes the things you post make me think of you as an arrogant asshole. The beauty in friendfeed is that there are so many different flavors to sample from. There are plenty of sites to go to that are tech heavy if that is what you are looking for. Why bother here if it's not what you want? Move on and shut the fuck up about it. Jesus.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Amen.
- Internet's Tad
For someone who doesn't like Friendfeed or thinks Friendfeed doesn't offer as much value as twitter, he sure does post here a lot.
- Andy Bakun
This is exactly the kind of post I don't want in my feed. Adjusting my subscriptions now. Sorry Robert, but I gotta block you on Friendfeed. See you on Twitter.
- Rodfather
Robert. You are stating the obvious: of course friendfeed is going to decline: there is no more engineering or innovation power behind it! The key question is: "is a friendfeed++ going to reborn as part of facebook and have a much more profound impact?". The jury is still out but knowing the quality of the team I would not bet against it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I think this post is very rude to the posters in your screenshot, especially the second two. They are sharing themselves and their lives with us. If that doesn't interest you, unsubscribe or hide but to call them out and mock them as 'sad' is, well, sad. FriendFeed is full of people that I enjoy discussing all kinds of topics with, including technology, but they are more than just early...
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- joey
Thank you Joey. I find the screen shot to be particularly offensive considering the tenor of the post. Stop being a jerk Robert.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Holden: I have removed my Twitter favorites from FriendFeed because of your post and my Twitter account too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Scoble, you need to clean your Twitter DM's like stat.
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@Robert - Just because FriendFeed isn't 90% tech and personal branding posts doesn't mean it doesn't have value. You used to be such a big proponent of lists here and molding your subscriptions so they were full of info but not noise... now that you've neglected your pruning efforts and gone over to Twitter then your feed is full of more noise (to you) than info. It's not FriendFeed's...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Her Lindsay-ness: sorry, so many geeks have left and there are just more interesting information (FOR ME), more interesting conversations (FOR ME), and I'm learning a lot more over on Twitter (ABOUT WHAT I WANT TO LEARN). FriendFeed HAS changed and that's OK! For you. Not for me. And, sorry, I looked at rejiggering my accounts here, but the info just isn't coming here and Twitter is...
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- Robert Scoble
Then go away. What the fuck. Why keep coming back here to make posts about how horrible it is. It just makes you look like more of an asshole than you intend to be I'm sure. Seriously. If you think there is no value in it, then it's kinda counter-productive to keep posting here, right? You act like the guy that graduated high school but keeps coming back hanging out at lunch and during pep rallies. It's a little bit creepy. What is it that you hope to gain by that?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I agree with Gunny. YOU caused the mass exedus from Friend Feed Robert, by announcing its demise. Let's see what would happen if instead of moaning about its lack of techy feeds, you began promoting it instead. Look on it as an FF experiment.
- Sandra Large
I like reading your stuff Rob but yeah --- if you're only going to come here to diss FF, perhaps you should just exit FF completely. Also, it's a FACT that Twitter is inferior to FriendFeed based on communication alone because look...here I am, discussing this topic and others can follow along w/o having to search through random comments and pages [they can even comment easily also! *gasp*!]. FF probably will die eventually, but Twitter was freakin' stillborn. Just a glorified RSS service...
- Scott Carmichael
Its all becoming a Robert Scoble 'self fullfilling prophecy' lately on here. You can't have a conversation on Twitter like this, twitter is a newsreel of headline news, that's all its good for, Friend Feed is as its name implies, a feed for friends to discuss anything under the sun, and not just about technical stuff.
- Sandra Large
I don't agree that a person who's become dissatisfied with a service should leave. I've often heard change should come from within. With that said, I'm not sure Robert is pushing for positive change. Can it occur? With Zuckerberg calling the shots, maybe not. Maybe he owns every idea that the FFounders will ever have for the next few yrs, keeping those changes for Zuck's baby. Maybe FF will improve, & maybe the techies who were drowned out on Twitter will find they can be seen & heard here. Who knows?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
My post is up: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Gone mainstream?
- Amit Morson
it gone mainstream alright
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
You can't blame Robert for the fact that the FF guys sold out AND left the ship more or less rudderless. If they had bothered to figure out even a tiny bit of a PR strategy around the take-over, then things might not have gone downhill so fast, or at all. And, yes, you can filter out all of the emo stuff (nothing wrong with it BTW, but that can be had from your IRL friends on Facebook)...
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- Alex Schleber
Robert: accepting the accuracy of observations about the amount of interesting conversations from your perspective, there still remains a question regarding what could be the cause? while one theory may be a decline in friendfeed activity, another possibility is the decline in your own activity. what evidence can support one hypothesis over the other?
- Mike Chelen
methinks a service can go on without an ego? personally i pop back here every now and again for the occasional conversation. i'd prefer more intelligent discussions on here, not just tech related, maybe i'm not following enough people? eh.
- Terry O'Fee
+1,000 joey. "emo stuff" that can be "found on Facebook"? LOTS of arrogance on display here from several directions. Alex, I know that you're tempering your statement by saying that there's nothing wrong with "emo stuff", but that's still awfully dismissive. FF is more like a number of simple blogs because the whole world can access the posts. FB is a walled garden, and tends to be way more dumbed-down (except for when I look at the FF people I'm subscribed to in FB).
- Kamilah Gill
Hey, guys? Don't feed the troll.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
now you tell us.
- Jim Hearts FF
Friendfeed never gone..!
- ★ Soner Gönül
Congratulations, you score high on the douche-o-meter!
- Mark Wilson
Well if FriendFeed has nothing else going for it, I can at least read a deep exchange of ideas here as to why it's toast. Perhaps thats why I'm sticking. Btw, slightly off topic, but am I the only one finding Twitter list creation a complete chore compared to doing the same on FriendFeed?
- David Hall
I don't see the problem. My pecs dominate your feed. Who can complain about that?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
LOL @Rasheen™
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Rahsheen, it's ok to let the one's own fun part of life intersect one's social media sphere http://friendfeed.com/tad... , but not when it's someone else and it can be used in the wrong context to misappropriate a point.
- Micah Wittman
It amazes me how people will continue to use a service just to complain about it. Just STFU and GTFO.
- Steve Lowe
Micah, I don't follow what you're saying...
- Kamilah Gill
Robert - Just make Twitter fix the 140 character limit thing already!
- Matthew DeVries
then it would be a blog or what a tumble log?
- ffcode
strange people resist so much even when they know this is it
- ffcode
Robert, setting aside your point, your methodology here is insulting. Why? My response is here: http://friendfeed.com/zeigen...
- Stephen Mack
Kamilah, fair point. I'll explain without sarcasm. Robert's shower photo was a bit of fun that is fine and doesn't represent the whole of his on- or off-line contribution. Andy's photoshopped photo of Rahsheen doesn't represent the whole of Andy's contribution (which is very much technical, btw) or by extension the community's many contributions through the friendfeed medium. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
- Micah Wittman
friend feed is totally awesome!
- Bishal Adhikary
great one man...
- Bishal Adhikary
COMMENT 1) "There's a lot more than me here. http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo.... shows lots of things that are getting engagement. - Robert Scoble" http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo... ... COMMENT 2) "You are not following the right people. This is always the problem if FriendFeed isn't working for you. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF" http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo...
- Micah Wittman
I just looked, and http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo... still is getting a lot of engagement and there's is stuff to learn there.
- Micah Wittman
Robert, I am considered a "geek" by a number of people, but I don't need or want to talk about technology 24/7. I have other interests and I like to see where they connect. I want to see coalescence. I can't get disparate connections always watching or listening to the same track. Even Richard Feynman believed that...as do many others in other "geek" fields. When I was little I happened...
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- Melanie Reed
Robert, are you reading the tech related groups? If you read Best of you are going to get all sorts of stuff as you know. I have lists and saved searches for specific topics and browse them for the likes of tech. Best of it not the best place for tech only (well any single topic).
- Kol Tregaskes
I've come to the conclusion that all of Robert's posts must be read with one fact kept in mind. Even when he doesn't say it, his posts are based on the assumption that many/most people want and like what he wants.
- Eoghann Irving
Robert, why do you constantly feel the need to shake the death rattle? We are well aware that FF is dying and even more aware that you see it coming. If you really did care about the service you would try to reverse the trend instead of speeding it up.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Robert I joined FF when I saw you singing praises of it on Twitter and have been loving it ever since, you seem to have a lot of interesting stuff to say, and a lot of people follow you. But, you seriously need to stop coming to FriendFeed and doing everything in your considerable power to kill it, and then complain because you are successful in doing that. Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations.
- Ed Millard
@edmillard ..said the man who only imports one thing into FF, his Twitter account.. seriously though. Scoble can't kill FF because it's already dead, it just doesn't know it yet. And yes, I am still using it for a bit because it makes such a handy searchable archiving/surfacing tool, and for some aspects of the community. But the reality is that FF founder's sold out b/c they were lacking confidence that they could change FF sufficiently/quickly enough to sustain any real growth.
- Alex Schleber
So FriendFeed founders gave up and sold out to Zuckerberg more or less for the liquidation value, i.e. for their IP and continued highly-skilled/paid labor for FB. It's that simple. Thinking about it any other way is a fantasy. 5 Stages of Grief... And yes, it pains me to say it. Had high hopes for this platform. I wish they would have found a way to evolve FF where it would have continued to grow, I don't think they were very far off. It's like the gold-miners who gave up 10 ft from the mother lode.
- Alex Schleber
Alex you are mistaken, most of my recent posts are from FF and sometimes cross posted to Twitter if they are short and not FF specific. I didn't know the FF etiquette that twitter posts are shunned when I started. Most of my limited time here is spent in comments anyway, since I prefer the conversations to the megaphone.
- Ed Millard
@Ed "Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations." You basically summed up my blog post about this whole thing (http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...)...
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsey, same concept, yours was thorough, mine was short. I think part of being a geek is we opt for the superior tech, not the popular tech. FB and Twitter are popular but inferior for conversation. I had no interest in them until I found FF recently. Its a problem we geeks are letting Zuckerberg kill the superior tech here with his checkbook. I'm thinking we should launch an open friend feed like directeur is talking about, free of business conflicts. It is the geek thing to do but it would be hard.
- Ed Millard
One bad day does not mean it is bad for the whole year :)
- ashish
don't you ever get tired of hitting refresh every other minute?
- Giancarlo Caparo
LOL, let's see you sort though hundreds of reply of Twitter, shoot a video of that...
- Robert Higgins
*yawns*
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Sadly, FF has largely become a photo sharing, jokes and food pics sharing site - tech community is gone.
- Susan Beebe
Yes, Twitter really has raised the bar in that arena.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Glen LOL
- Susan Beebe
ZING! I shared a lame joke a few minutes ago, Susan! http://ff.im/aTQG6 I don't feel really bad about it. That's true, many people know me as a developer, but I'm not only that. I'm a jazz/anime/languages... LOVER :)
- directeur
If only someone would have told Robert that his feed is his own creation and if he is unhappy there is only one place to look fir the reason. Oh, wait...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
seriously, talk about mis-matched comparisons. This general list is less focused than that built-for-a-purpose list? Well, no offense, but no shit, Sherlock.
- Chieze Okoye
PREDICTION: The problem FriendFeed will have is when it will be very popular (mainstream if you want), there will be so much content that you won't be able to see eevrything. A page refresh and tons of content is published. We will for sure miss tons of good stuff.
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a page shows say, 30 entries, between two refreshes, say there's 2000 new entries by friends and friends of friends... you see what I mean?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
We need some way to lens ACROSS content, to view things based on value / ranking / medium, etc. Already there's more content in even my shallow feed than I can comfortably follow, and few of my friends even use FF.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
One word: BLOCK ;)
- Mona Nomura
I expect we'll see more than you realize. Likes and Comments keep stuff bouncing to the top until you get a chance to see it.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm liking and commenting just to bounce ya twice. ;)
- Internet's Tad
Best guess is that hyper growth is already being foreseen with numerous solutions. These guys are good!
- Charlie Anzman
only if you subscribe to everybody under the sun. I'm sure scoble aleady has that problem here and on twitter
- Brett Kelly
Block and Hide aren't nearly good enough for the things I want to do when updates hit several tens per second. I, really, want things like Boolean filters of near arbitrary complexity, feedback learning, and flexible presentation ranking, just to stay sane.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I'm telling you guys - Lindsay totally pegged it. FF is the site that just DEMANDS an Intelligent Agent to sift through the volcanic soil to expose the rough diamonds. If the FF devs have half a brain, they have a genius or two slaving away on that right now.
- Internet's Tad
I agree, lots of stuff falls through the cracks through out the day. I think the 'best of' was added for this reason. I haven't really used it that much though.
- Tsega Dinka
but all the good stuff is reshared... personally my eyes are trained to scan content quickly and efficiently. it weeds out what i'm interested in and not. if all else fails, there's always the "BLOCK" or "HIDE" options...
- Mona Nomura
Resharing is data-cluttering, as I see it. I want a system that unifies references to URLs, for one. It tells me where that reference is made from (Rooms, friends, likes, whatnot), but only gives me a single thing to look out for any given referent. The actual rest of info is just useful metadata for building lenses out of.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
You ask the wrong question with your prediction my multi-lingual friend -- the question is not whether we will see too much, but whether we will see enough? FriendFeed (with or without NoiseRiver) is an extremely good model for seeing "enough". NoiseRiver will allow the "noise lovers" to see even more :-)
- Robert Seidman
As more people join, simply being good at managing who you follow will be more important and should keep the noise down.
- Martin Bryant
Surely people like Robert Scoble are already at that level, he manages fine!
- Joe Dawson
:-)
- Mitchell Tsai
Joe's right. Bring it on!
- Robert Scoble
Especially if one uses small screens and apps like twhirl to view the feed...
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
We'll just need a CloseFriendFinder app to sit on top of FriendFinder
- Craig Thomler
I don't see the problem if there is the right method to represent the contnet, in a away that the fruition of it by the user would be easier...
- Edoardo Piccolotto
from twhirl
Yes. There is the potential for much more clutter here than twitter, for example. FF needs enhanced filtering tools.
- Ian Fogg
It's already happening for me. Need tags. Plus likes and comments only go so far. What if I like stuff only a few others like? How do I find that?
- Larry Huffman
if more of my friends were on FF I wouldn't be subscribed to so many people I don't know
- Samuel Bostock
the average user isn't going to be subscribed to that many people. and the mainstream will be much less "active" in terms of generating content than the hardcore early adopters. In short, I don't buy the argument.
- Jamie
The average user doesn't use the majority of features present on mobile phones. In Portugal owning a expensive phone is a status statement, but most of them could use the cheapest mobile in term of features used. With software and web services it's the same, people use just a subset of the features, and they have to be in front of them. Power users and all it's likes and dislikes are useful to test the limits of a application, but besides that are not the voice of God.
- Mário Pires
This is where the top posts of the day/week/month will come into play. I sure that someone will comment or like a post before it flits away. It does bear consideration though, put some brakes on the speed of posting perhaps?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Maybe a combo of FriendFeed and Digg? people could set to only receive posts with X number of likes/comments...or based on the rep of the person posting...
- Craig Thomler
If i could create "groups" of people by subjects relevant to me perhaps it would be more manageable.
- Mário Pires
so there will be meta services (think summize). Cool. no problemo.
- john conroy
Just look at the Everyone feed. Only imagine articles with 1,000 likes (ala Digg) and 500 comments (ala slashdot). Some people may want the raw feeds, we'll need new filters/views/trails/signposts/guides/topics etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mario Agree. GM script for Friends / Groups http://ffapps.com/filters/
- Hao Chen
I think we'll just end up hiding a lot more stuff
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I have the feeling that the FF staff will roll with the punches. Scalability!
- Steve Isaacs
@Robert Scoble: you WON'T be able to manage that noise. It's simply a mathematical fact. Say, you see 30 post, and between two refreshes, 20.000 entries are posted. The next page will show the last 30 of these 20.000 new entries. You will miss the entries in between. Liking or commenting from FOAF won't help. Because the flow will run... fast.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Prescient in Twitter's case. For awhile it was so for FF too. I don't know about now however; things are slower.
- Maxamad
Phew! Who bumped this??! :)
- directeur
That would be me sir.
- Maxamad
Hi, mohomed! That's so old, how did you find it? :)
- directeur
I was looking for a post with an mp3 attached to it from awhile ago that I needed, but couldn't find it. It's some soft of new jazz from Turkey. A bald guy with blue was attached as an image holding some sort of instrument. But I stumbled across a bunch of good other old posts.
- Maxamad
Could it be Mercan Dede?
- directeur
You continue to amaze me monsieur http://friendfeed.com/directe... Thanks so much!
- Maxamad
Thank you! Tout le plaisir est pour moi, Dhanaan! :)
- directeur
You know what, scratch that, I got promoted today. I'm going to go buy myself DJ Hero AND Borderlands.
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Congratulations and enjoy your gifts to yourself!
- Anika
Congratulations, Erica! :) Well deserved!
- directeur
Congratulations, Ms. Erica!! :)
- JA Castillo
w00t!
- Derrick
Great news! Congratulations Erica!!
- TVTechGrl
Rock on maam.
- Maxamad
Congrats and good luck !
- Nir Ben Yona
Congratulations! You inspire me to go buy myself a present. I also sold a photo today to a Grade I geography text book for $900. I am going to start shopping for lenses... or that Beatles Rockband thinggie
- Thaths
@Thaths $900 picture sale for a textbook is totally present worthy. Congrats! That being said, lennnnssss. Feed the addiction. :D
- EricaJoy
Awesome news Erica! Treat yourself!
- Jorge Escobar
Awesome, congratulations!!
- John μller
Congrats Erica!
- Hutch Carpenter
Very well deserved... congrats!
- Adam Lasnik
Woo congrats!
- Rodfather
congrats!!
- imabonehead
Congrats, Erica! :-0
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- rowlikeagirl
DO ANYBODY NO Y I LOOK LIKE ERASERHEAD
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- Derrick
:)
- Mycaptain
I think I'm gonna steal your glasses.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
hahhha.
- Micah Wittman
yer lovely
- T. Brent, technopeasant
:)))))
- Michelle Martinez
AWESOME
- Josh Haley
I <3 Anna. She's mine! All MINE!!
- Ayşe E.
Oh HELL NAW. Anna is MINE! *puts up dukes*
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Fight! Fight! Fight! Wait, wha?
- Ayşe E.
[*]_[*]
- Mo Kargas
Sorry, Y'all! She's all mine! :P
- ·[▪_▪]·
lol @ this thread
- Anna Haro
That is great! :D
- Joe
lidya ahaha
- yedi
S'ok, Robot. We can share. Simultaneously.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
where is the Photo 1.jpg ^^
- yedi
:D You're not trying to bring back hairbairs are you? Aquanets kilt the earfs
- Rodfather
As the kids say, these days, DEAD!!! :D
- Helen Sventitsky
anna haro, circa 1963, sixties chick *swoon* :D
- Michael W. May
LOVE IT!!!
- Harold Cabezas
That is beyond awesome Anna.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
like tina fey meets selma hayek. *swoons*
- T. Brent, technopeasant
bakın ben buraya yorum yapacağım...hadi ben kendimi tutamamadım lütfen siz kendinizi tutun ve yorum yapmayın...sen ne şirin şeysin öyle..
- Aynebilim
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- Live4Emma (L4S)
Love it! Now, I have to go look up Eraserhead
- Anika
Anika !?! (wait'll ya see what's behind the radiator) :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
ha ha! oh, that is cute. i missed this. :D
- edythe
More [*]_[*] *starry eyed robot*
- Mo Kargas
cute X))
- Nia
You look like younger than before :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
The Best Coats Under $500 - http://www.gq.com/style...
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Cooler weather is on the way, which means you're going to need a great topcoat. What you want to do is pay as much attention to its fit as its style. What you don't want to do is overspend.
- Derrick
The camel is lovely.
- Michelle
I see headlines like that and I feel sad. I don't think anyone needs a coat that costs $500 when so many people are without heat and food. :-(
- sean808080
Not only do I not have $500 for a coat, I live in Los Angeles, where the need for coats like this is only reserved for the sets of shows like Mad Men.
- Derrick
But what if I don't want a cheap-ass coat?
- Alex Scrivener
No Northface coats? Pffftt...whatever...No self respecting northwesterner wears anything but Northface gear.
- Alex Scoble
Uh oh. I must not be self-respecting because I've never in my life owned anything from Northface. Oh, yeah, I'm also not a douchebag.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd love to see Mark in the 3rd one or the last one ♥
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Under $500?!? Like that's a deal?
- Spidra Webster
$500? Ridiculous. Lemme know when they do an article about coats under $50.
- Rochelle
#s 2 and 9, please. Spidra: remember, it's all relative. For some, the perfect topcoat is a piece they will wear for 10 years. If you would spend $0.40/day, (assuming you can wear the coat 4 months a year) for a really fine piece of clothing, $500 is a steal.
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
I love coats, sweaters, scarves, hats - and layers... but I sweat too damn much.
- Jason
In case anyone thinks I'm exagerating, I have a wool stadium coat that I still wear in winter that I bought in 1992. It has come in and out of style, and ther were years in there that I didn't wear it at all (the winter I spent in San Diego, for example), but I expect to own and wear it for another 10 years, at least, since it still looks more or less the same as the day I bought it.
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
Also, for those of you decrying the value of a $500 coat, how much have you spent in the last 5 years on phones, computers, and other gadgets you don't own or use anymore?
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
Finding a quality coat for $500 is finding a coat at an average price. It's not really a steal. I sew, so I know that clothing is actually priced pretty low relative to the materials and what the true cost of the labor should be. Still, given that people in sweatshops are getting paid shit to make designer clothing, I'd rather buy stuff where I know the actual seamstresses/seamsters are...
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- Spidra Webster
Spidra: a hand-tailored topcoat for under $500 would indeed be a steal. If you have contact info for such a tailor, I would be very interested.
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
Love #1, 3, 4, & the last one. I'll take 'em all.
- Mark Wilson
Vogue Cleaners, Berkeley, CA. Come to her with the pattern and the fabric and she'll fix you up. There are probably others on the Greater Bay Area Costumers Guild list who'd come in under $500. I'm not just shining you on. I had her make a Civil War-era frockcoat for my boyfriend out of natural fabric taffeta, black velvet buttons and real satin lining. I think that came in at $300, including my materials. And it was all made with actual fittings.
- Spidra Webster
Under $500 means exactly that... the hooded duffel (#5) is only $130.
- Andrew C
I really like this post. I have a real thing for jackets and bags/backpacks. Always trying to find the 'perfect' one.
- Kevin Fox
Next time I am in the bay area, I will check them out. Thanks, Spidra
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
Yeah, once I clicked through I realized that several are well below $500. That's more like it. I'll stick with my all-wool vintage overcoats for $50, though.
- Spidra Webster
I need a good wool overcoat. I typically wear jackets as opposed to coats, but I do own a grey trenchcoat. I need something warm, too, though.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
Can I say it? Them sh*ts is sharp. Excuse my french and the bad english.
- Bryan R. Adams
I shall call him . . . mini-me - http://ffffound.com/image...
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Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny FTW!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
oohh, it's so precious!!!
- Bette Cooper
*melt*
- Anika
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
Johnny++
- Andrew C
Now thats how you do costumes.
- Sean Oliver
1UP Johnny!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Minitrooper looks angry but still adorable!
- Carmen
Minitrooper is angry because he forgot his boots and all the other stormtroopers are laughing at his sneakers.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Think big. Code small.
John μller, Maxamad, Laura Norvig and 89 other people liked this
How small?
- τorƍue
10 CLS
- Mattb4rd
Excellent advise K.I.S.S. :)
- Susan Beebe
How Big?
- John D Reasor
+ John
- τorƍue
Big enough to change the world, and small enough to get done right now.
- Paul Buchheit
Amen - release early, release often, especially as an entrepreneur
- Jesse Stay
Please provide a list of projects that we can get done right now that'll change the world. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I think the saying is, "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah, I figured you'd say something like that ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul, when you said "code small", was that just the first step? :)
- τorƍue
It's also the second step.
- Paul Buchheit
The next trick is taking all those steps in one direction, otherwise you can end up dancing around in one place like a madman, not actually getting anywhere. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
20 ? "Shall we play a game?"
- Mattb4rd
Yes, good point Ken, though sometimes we must navigate around obstacles such as mountains and oceans.
- Paul Buchheit
And sometimes you have to head downhill to get to the top of that peak off in the distance.
- Ken Sheppardson
Don't forget time itself
- Jesse Stay
booo yaaa!
- Bill Heslin
On average, how much of a code project's big success could be significantly attributed to luck? Luck alone never gets it there, but still. I code because of the small rewards, so whatever the answer is, I'm fine with it. :)
- Micah Wittman
This is a more likely result, but keep swinging: http://friendfeed.com/funny-p...
- Mattb4rd
Think BIG. Code SMALL. Maintain ZERO! (Ideal conditions!)
- Nishant
Think small. Code big. http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc...
- Kelly Norton
lol @Kelly
- Nick Lothian
I'm currently coding for a machine that has 12 bytes of variable memory and 256 bytes of program memory. In a language with 32 commands. Am I coding small enough?
- Kevin Fox
Now wonders what Kevin is working on for Facebook ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like a remote control.
- Cristo
I've been coding a few of these for Halloween: http://efx-tek.com/topics...
- Kevin Fox
Cool. What's the application?
- Cristo
Light and sound effects with a few triggers.
- Kevin Fox
I must admit to being baffled by systems shipping with many gigabytes of code now that have similar functionality to systems with a few megabytes of code 15 years ago.
- Cristo
Kevin, nice! Now I want one. I remember writing a BASIC program in High School that controlled some AND gates via parallel cable on a circuit board we created in my electronics class. The purpose was to control 4 step motors. Awesome that you can just pre-program a chip now on a device like this that will do similar things. Need to look into that.
- Jesse Stay
Check out Revision3's podcasts. There are some with Patrick Norton doing this on System (I think that's the right one)
- Mattb4rd
@Paul: Which font size do you recommend for the code editor? 14pt? or is 10pt even better? ;)
- Jemm
Like jquery
- ★ Soner Gönül
Soner - that's a great example, actually. jQuery has been transformative, IMO, even in the face of alternative JS frameworks which aren't bad, just not greatness in a small package.
- Micah Wittman
Paul isn't it time for another sip of the premature optimization is the root of all evil kool-aide? You just aren't getting it :-)
- Todd Hoff
Awesome.
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hahahaha
- MG Siegler
haha
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I've been having fun watching the Facebook employees do that today as well - lol
- Jesse Stay
Is there a group "I Just plain hate Facebook"? I'd like to join.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scary thing is I think a lot of people are actually taking that group seriously.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Hhahhahaha!!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
LOL at Mark Zuckerberg joining. That's hilarious.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
laugh out loud.
- Micah Wittman
LOL!! Yes they are, Tony - that makes it so much better. :->
- Kurt Starnes
It's killing me - check it out :-> http://www.facebook.com/search...
- Kurt Starnes
I just love how some people have joined, completely ignoring the description of the group and showing the type of people they really are. I don't *love* the changes, but I will get used to them and someday soon I will not even remember the old way it was done. Change is good... long live change!
- Travis Koger
hahha that is too funny!! :D
- Susan Beebe
Classy!
- Tyson Key
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
I HATE THE NEW FACEBOOK HOME PAGE, UNTIL ITS NEXT FACELIFT, AFTER WHICH I WILL BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PERFECT THIS LAYOUT WAS.
- Rebecca Sun
Yes, Rebecca, exactly. :)
- Dan Hsiao
just joined
- johnpiercy
Touché Facebook Employees, Touché.
- Navarr
ahahahaha:D
- beybinesen
Try http://lite.facebook.com/opozo, the simple the better, but not simpler.
- Orlando Pozo
My Last Day of my 30th Year - http://seesmic.tv/video...
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Happy birthday!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Happy Birthday! - From the ORIGINAL Valley, not that lil' brother dude...
- Anthony K. Valley ©
YAY
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Happy B'day!!!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Have a wonderful birthday!
- Laura B.
Felicitations on your impending natal anniversary!
- Spidra Webster
Happy Birthday. It only gets better!
- Steve
It's official now... HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!
- LogEx
Happy Birthday :)
- Rodfather
Happy Birthday !!!
- Mo Kargas
Happy Birthday from Calgary! :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Happy birthday! And wish you a great 31 year :)
- Véronique Rabuteau
happy b-day!
- barbarars
Happy Birthday! :-)
- vicster
Happy Birthday!
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Happy Birthday!
- Anne Bouey
Happy birthday!
- Iván Abrego
HBD yo! (Assuming you read this after 9)
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Shevonne, I know it will be an awesome year, enjoy!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Happy Birthday and hope you have a wonderful day, Shevonne! :)
- Emma
Happy birthday!!
- The Bohemian Penguin
from fftogo
Wait! Shevonne and I have the same birthday (just different years)? Awesome! :-)
- Jason Huebel
@Jason Cool, huh?!
- Shevonne
Happy Birthday!
- Alix Whitmire
Besos Loca! Happy BDay!
- Carlos Ayala
Happy birthday to you.
- Ami Iida
Happy Birthday!
- AJ Batac
Happy Birthday, Shevonne! :)
- WorldofHiglet
@dcfemella Happy Birthday, Gorgeous!
- Alex Schleber
oh just read the post carefully, when i saw a happy birthday comment, earlier i passed it, sorry....and yeah hey Shevonne Happy Birthday!, May God bless you :)
- ffcode
Happy Birthday, Shevonne! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday, Shevonne. Enjoy your day.
- Bryan R. Adams
HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY Shevonne! :-)
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Happy Birthday, Shevonne!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
After you have about 500 consumer electronic products stored away in drawers, you start to wish they would label the power adaptors with the products they were intended to power.
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A label maker is your friend.
- Akiva Moskovitz
A label maker and a time machine.
- Cristo
Someone else to do the labeling would help too
- Kim Landwehr
I'd settle for an industry standard for labeling voltage, amperage, and plug polarity. Seems like they label the adapter close to 100% of the time, but only put the specs on the device about 80%
- Ken Sheppardson
I have a tried the label maker but the labels come off all the time... I should just resort to the metallic Sharpies I think.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Cristo for Power Adapter czar
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
from iPhone
I want wireless power for everything.
- Louis Gray
But Ken, I don't want to have to try plugging it into different devices to find out which one it goes with or if I even still have that device.
- Cristo
Louis, unfortunately, that's not practical. Tesla never did figure out how to transfer power through the air (unless you mean by wireless, laying devices on a surface). Plus, there's already too much RF interference as it is in my house.
- Cristo
I am not a fan of practical. :)
- Louis Gray
a tekkeon battery helps with lost ac adapters
- Rodfather
I think Ken has the right idea, but I'd go a little further and standardize plug size/shape that matches voltage & polarity. That way, only the correct voltage/polarity would fit into the device's socket. Then all comparable wall warts would be universally interchangeable with no requirement to read tiny low contrast diagrams in low light conditions (often in awkward positions)
- Jason Wehmhoener
the tekkeon stuff looks pretty cool
- Jason Wehmhoener
Ya they have enough juice to power & charge a laptop. Very handy
- Rodfather
Eric, I'd prefer you just make your point here. I'm actually doing stuff right now, and don't have time to "do research on Tesla."
- Cristo
I use a glass scriber, which is sort of like a power-less engraver, to just write the name of the device into the plastic. I used to use a metallic sharpie, but that wore off after a while. The labels someone used to stick to some of the power bricks that I inherited are still going strong, though.
- Miss Elle
Eric, nope. You still haven't gotten the hang of it. Type. Words. Here.
- Cristo
Tesla did figure out how to transfer power through the air (He did not have to lay devices on a surface)
- Eric Logan
Eric, thanks for that. You were right, and I was wrong. I'll head down to Radio Shack now to get my wireless power adaptors.
- Cristo
Yeah, Tesla figured out how to transfer power through the air... He was in the process of building a tower funded by J.P. Morgan that would have tested it when Marconi was successful in sending a telegram across the ocean via wire and Morgan decided to pull out: "Tesla could not find any more backers and most of the site's activity had to be shut down in 1905. Newspapers referred to it...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
The fact that no one has picked up Tesla's work since then makes it virtually impossible for me to use it as a solution. (The possible exception being me picking up his work). Given that no one has done it yet, it's certainly plausible there are impracticalities of using this today, including power degradation between the source and target, and RF interference with all the different...
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- Cristo
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.
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whether or not he's gonna enjoy being rebuilt is another question for another time, :(
- chaz2b
Tough ;)
- Mo Kargas
We can make him better than he was...
- LogEx
Might be cheaper just to buy a replacement.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
still doesnt mean it feels better
- chaz2b
Must cost always determine value?
- Mo Kargas
With a replacement you also get a new warranty.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Plus, it's only 2% over invoice. Offer good until 11/2/2009; void where prohibited. May require additional purchase of PowerVector® or GreenImpulse® units for propulsion. May not be combined with any other offer. Choice of colors may be limited.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I say go for Japanese parts. German have no fantazy.
- directeur
@Directeur Well made though
- Mo Kargas
@Mo Ja Wohl! Aber Kawaii janai yo!
- directeur
But the technology hasn't yet risen out of the uncanny valley.
- Micah Wittman
Wonder how much the Six Million Dollar Man would cost today. Some random inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflati...) says it's $25,915,759.10 from inflation alone (1974 dollars adjusted to 2008). Still seems cheap for two cyborg legs, a cyborg arm, and a cyborg eye -- with or without kung fu grip.
- Stephen Mack
it cost me a little over $2 million back in '89, and i didnt get no cyber-parts, :(
- chaz2b
Can atheism be considered a religion? Is Taoism considered a religion?
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Yes...null is still part of a set. For instance, if I ask how many beans am I holding and my hand is empty, I am holding no beans, but I am still holding an amount of beans...it just happens that this amount is 0. We are not Romans with no concept of 0.
- Alex Scoble
Atheism is a religion, but agnosticism is not. :)
- Cristo
I don't think Taoism is a religion, unless there's a church.
- Rodfather
Believing that we don't have the answers and never will is still believing in something, Chris.
- Alex Scoble
The empty set is part of every set! For some reason, in this context, that basic mathematical statement blows my mind.
- Victor Ganata
I disagree with Alex but that, of course, is the problem in a nutshell. Nobody has the same definition of anything in the world of religious arguments; everything is tainted with belief or lack thereof and we're all hearing what we want to hear and never getting across what we really mean because the other side is doing the same. Pointless. But fun too with the right people.
- Mark H
You have to be agnostic about something, don't you?
- Victor Ganata
Religion is the belief that you survive your own death. I think that the reason religious people want to classify atheism as a religion is that they have a lingering feeling they are on shaky ground.
- Eivind
Victor: Sure, that just means "without knowledge".
- Eivind
I'd say atheism is more of an ideological viewpoint than a religion...
- Martin Bryant
It's not pointless, though, Mark. People use this issue to put a wedge between Atheists, Agnostics and their 1st amendment rights (freedom of religion)...so it's of critical importance that we don't let people go around thinking that Atheism and Agnosticism aren't religions.
- Alex Scoble
I believe that I survive my own death...The atoms and molecules that make up my body will be around as long as the universe is.
- Alex Scoble
Survive in what way? In both Taoism and modern physics, it's believed that your energy/your atoms persist beyond death. Is modern physics a religion?
- Victor Ganata
As with any philosophical discussion, it's important to define terms first... "A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...]
- LogEx
Argh, you need to be conscoius and aware that you have transcended into something else. (I'm sure I didn't make that bullet proof.)
- Eivind
Alex, I believe in lots of things. That doesn't make them religions.
- Cristo
"Taoism" doesn't mean one thing, especially in the West. The traditional alchemical practices and others I've heard of sound a lot more like a religion than what I "practice" which is more of a philosophy (or to be more specific the focused cultivation of certain brain states). And what LogEx said.
- Friday Lo is Friday!
Is Yoga a religion?
- Rodfather
No, but Hinduism is.
- Cristo
Eivind, so from what I know about Taoism, you don't survive as a distinct conscious entity after you die. Would you consider it a religion?
- Victor Ganata
People believe that UFOs will visit the Earth and they worship these aliens as if they are gods coming to save us...is that a religion?
- Alex Scoble
Alex, yes.
- Cristo
Victor, from what little I know I think Taoism is somewhere between philosophy and religion depending on your take on it.
- Eivind
If that's a religion than any belief SYSTEM is a religion...Atheism and Agnosticism are belief systems AKA religions.
- Alex Scoble
What are the rituals ("narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices")?
- LogEx
I'd love to get involved with this, but it's been exhuasted after one of these every day since sunday. I view Atheism as a religion, depending on the definitions of religion, belief, and atheism that you have changes it, but it's all semantics. ^^ I follow those, thought processes. LogEx, some definitions of religion don't require rituals, narratives, or practices, just beliefs.
- Jimminy
Agnosticism doesn't necessarily mean you will never know, just that you don't right now. I can't see how this is a religion anymore than Science is a religion.
- Cristo
Eivind, Taoism also prizes (from what I've read) skepticism very highly. As does Buddhism to a certain extent. If you're called a religion but say nothing that conflicts with science and/or atheism, I approve.
- Friday Lo is Friday!
"Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, spiritual beings, or even ultimate reality — are unknown or, in some forms of agnosticism, unknowable. It is not a religious declaration in itself, and an agnostic may also be a theist or an atheist." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Cristo
Alex, do you want atheism to be a religion? If so I can just exchange the word with "superstition" to describe what I mean when I say religion.
- Eivind
Chris, but you have to be agnostic about some religion, don't you? Or maybe I've misused the term, and it's just the philosophical state of not being sure of knowing?
- Victor Ganata
I don't consider either a religion. There should be a option of None. Taoism is more of a teaching from my understanding.
- CW™
No, atheism is not religion. We aren't aligned with some central idea. Look at the root of the word 'religion'.
- Kamilah Gill
from email
I still haven't heard any alternate definitions. If leap of faith is the only criteria, then every act of living is a religion.
- LogEx
This "null is still part of a set" argument bugs me deep inside. By this definition everything is everything. "Is the Earth a cat?" "Yes, since it's not a cat it is arguably a cat."
- Mark H
+1 Mark
- Eivind
Kamilah we are aligned with one central idea, there is no higher being.
- Jimminy
Victor, in general you are agnostic about the existence of God or gods or whether someone was a representative or was God, such as Jesus. In practice the term is used to apply to anything that you aren't sure of. E.g. You could be agnostic about time travel.
- Cristo
And then there's Apatheism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- LogEx
No, Earth is not a subset of cats...clearly the Earth is NOT a cat...but zero cats is a subset of cats. Big difference there. Then again since when has religion ever been about logic for most people? It's all about what their preacher/pastor/pope/etc. tells them. When it comes down to it, I have just as much right to my 2nd amendment rights to be left alone for my beliefs (or lack...
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- Alex Scoble
Believe what you want, but that does not mean that you can use those beliefs to deny me employment, or a home loan or anything else that is protected under the 1st amendment.
- Alex Scoble
1st Amendment.
- LogEx
Is it? Oops...my bad.
- Alex Scoble
LOL. Is owning guns considered a religion? :D
- Victor Ganata
I bet some people would in fact consider it to be so.
- Alex Scoble
++ Mark
- Friday Lo is Friday!
Comments edited for accuracy.
- Alex Scoble
Mark, don't blame me, blame the mathematicians. :D According to set theory, ∅ ⊆ A where A is any set.
- Victor Ganata
Alex: Okay, I was being facetious (I'm like that; it's very annoying) and I do understand your reasoning. It just seems that there's no way for atheists to win this argument under your definitions. Nobody can ever technically be non-religious since they'll be part of the not religious "religious" set and therefore you can just claim they're religious in spite of their own personal definition. Or can someone be non-religious according to the null set definition?
- Mark H
Of course they can be non-religious, but that would still put them in a protected class according to the first amendment as the null is still a member of the set of religion. By saying that null is not part of the set, people are using that as an excuse to deny Atheists, Agnostics, etc. of their 1st amendment rights and that just ain't right.
- Alex Scoble
Glad we got that cleared up. I thought Alex might shoot someone. ;)
- Cristo
The day's not over yet, Chris. :)
- Alex Scoble
Chris, he's planning on shooting people later tonight.
- Jimminy
But you know what, since people insist on my having a religion in order to be part of the protected classes under the 1st amendment, I now worship the Cat God. She requires that I play video games for at least 2 hours every day. When I die I go to Cat God nirvana and become one of the Cat God's favorite catnip toys to be batted around for endless pleasure. The fact that I obey and play...
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- Alex Scoble
Alex, agnosticism is not a religion, it's a philosophy. I thought we covered that. You can be both agnostic and atheist, or agnostic and believe in a religion.
- Cristo
You can't be an agnostic and atheist...Atheists believe there is no god. Period. Agnostics believe that you can't prove one way or the other that a god exists. They are the mu state of religious thought. Indeterminant. Neither on nor off. Once you pick a state you cease to be Agnostic. Because I now worship Cat God, I am no longer Agnostic, so stop infringing on my 1st amendment rights.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: I think half the problem with this particular twist on this argument is you've been arguing from a U.S.-technicality-for-legal-reasons point-of-view and I haven't. I get what you're saying and I accept and approve of the result you're going for though. For some reason it reminds me of the Catholic church deciding that beaver was a fish in the 17th century so it could be eaten on a...
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- Mark H
Yep, living in the US and having people tell me that it's OK that the dollar bill says "In God We Trust" because it doesn't infringe on my 1st amendment rights because Atheism and Agnosticism aren't protected because it doesn't say "freedom from religion". But that doesn't matter now since I have been reborn as a faithful servant of Cat God.
- Alex Scoble
Alex you can worship whatever you want, but that won't making not knowing if what you worship is true a religion, just as not having proof that there is no God is a religion.
- Cristo
Ok, maybe. But it's not like we all do the same things. We are not organized
- Kamilah Gill
from email
We need to amend the amendment. Not twist ourselves to fit. I want nothing to do with religion.
- Kamilah Gill
from email
Alex: Agnosticism is an epistemological position. One is still either a theist or not with respect to some deity.
- Christopher A Carr
Kamilah, there are organized religions, with their fancy churches, idols, histories, and practices, and then there is the unorganized religions, where you are free to your interpretations and practices, no specific body of history that has to be relied on as fact, no idol, and doesn't need a building or congregation to be held true. Atheism, Buddhism, and Taoism exist in the latter group, there is nothing wrong with religion.
- Jimminy
You can't say "I don't know what to believe" in one hand (Agnosticism) and then say that you believe in god on the other (Theism)...If you are on or off you aren't mu.
- Alex Scoble
Can it be a religion if you don't have to believe in any deities? Is it really just a binary position?
- Victor Ganata
Alex: Agnosticism isn't "I don't know what to believe." It's a stance on what's knowable.
- Christopher A Carr
Are there any agnostic atheists in da hizzy?
- Victor Ganata
Then you and I see it very differently and will have to agree to disagree on the subject.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, like Christopher said, you lean one way or the other, towards Theistic beliefs or Atheistic Beliefs, but you aren't willing to commit fully.
- Jimminy
*Raises hand* Also a Buddhist practitioner
- Jimminy
So, I guess the question is: is atheism strictly about the non-existence of a deity (or deities)? Or must you also be non-religious/non-spiritual?
- Victor Ganata
+Mark
- Kamilah Gill
from email
I'm not a theist with respect to the God of Abraham. In principle, though, because this deity is defined as non-material and outside of the natural world, I'm rather forced to hold an agnostic position as to whether we can be certain of its existence. But so what. I'm forced to hold the same position as regards Marduk and Odin, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster...
- Christopher A Carr
That one can't disprove the existence of a thing on no way makes the thing as likely to exist as not.
- Christopher A Carr
Victor, it's purely the non-existence of deities, those that fall into the more radical and outspoken Atheist groups, are against religion also.
- Jimminy
I (and this is Christopher Hitchens' position as well) also consider myself something of a God of Abraham anti-theist, in that I hope that Yahweh doesn't exist. I prefer not to be a slave to a dictator of that sort.
- Christopher A Carr
See what Mark just said about the fish
- Kamilah Gill
from email
Depends on whether you believe there is no god, or whether you do not believe in a god or gods. One is a belief, and possibly a form of religion, since there is no scientific proof of the non-existance of a god or gods. However, if you simply don't believe there is a god, that's not a religion, since it's not a belief -- it's the lack of a belief.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Not collecting stamps isn't a hobby.
- Christopher A Carr
You can have beliefs without a religious framework
- Mo Kargas
It's hard for me to see how believing that God does not exist is not a belief, when you can't empirically prove that God does not exist (anymore than you can prove that God does exist), but I guess it really is about how you define things.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Is you lack of belief in Thor a religious belief? What "god" are you talking about?
- Christopher A Carr
Collecting and Believing are quite different - collections are physical things, beliefs are abstract. If you actively believe there IS NO GOD, then you have a belief system, and it is based in something other than provable fact. if you neither believe nor disbelieve based on an absence of proof, that is not a belief.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I believe that the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and leprechauns do not exist as well. I put them on the same level as god.
- Brian Sullivan
I still think that disbelief in something that can't be proven is still a belief about something that can't be proven. We're back to the empty set thing again :D
- Victor Ganata
Christopher: yes, any god. There's no empirical evidence in the non-existence of Thor, either.
- Victor Ganata
There is compelling evidence to suggest the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and leprechauns do not exist, however, due to the incredibly challenging nature of proving a negative, there is no definitive proof. I do not believe they don't exist. I just don't believe that they do.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Lizard: There's compelling evidence that the semitic deity Yahweh, as described in the Bible, also does not exist. I can't prove that it doesn't, but that in no way makes it as likely to exist as not.
- Christopher A Carr
OK, there is far more evidence that the tooth fairy and Santa Claus don't exist, at least not in the forms that we tell children about. As for leprechauns and any particular pantheon of gods, I don't think there's any way to prove they don't exist.
- Victor Ganata
Based on the evidence available to me, I've concluded that Yahweh doesn't exist. The fact that I can't absolutely prove that he doesn't just isn't all that relevant or interesting, because one also can't prove that faeries and the skunk ape don't exist. "..but there's no way to *prove* god [again, which god?] doesn't exist..." is a big fat "so what?" Coming to the conclusion that Loki doesn't exist in no way amounts to a belief consistent with belonging to a religion.
- Christopher A Carr
Unless not believing that some deity is real instantly causes a new religion to come into existence, in which case I belong to many thousands of religions.
- Christopher A Carr
It's not that it makes you belong to a particular religion. But it's still a religious question. So it's hard for me to believe that a system of beliefs that is devoted to religious questions is not itself a religion.
- Victor Ganata
I suppose you can broaden "religion" to encompass anything you like. Do you believe that Tiamat exists?
- Christopher A Carr
For those who want Taoism with the legal protections of a church in the US, consider the new Dude-ist movement: http://www.dudeism.com/ Also, Jimminy - I like the cut of your jib!
- Friday Lo is Friday!
No, I don't believe in the existence of Tiamat or Marduk. I realize that it's probably a logical fallacy to believe so, but surely you can see why I might confuse a system of beliefs devoted to religious questions and issues as itself being a religion?
- Victor Ganata
Based on the evidence available to me, I do not believe in the existence of a god or gods. However I would not go so far as to say that I believe they do not exist, because in doing so I would be doing the same thing as countless religions do (and I disagree with) -- stating that everyone else is wrong, and I and those who believe what I do, are the only ones right.
- (dot)lizard kelly
How do you define "religious questions and issues" ?
- Brian Sullivan
I would say that the existence or non-existence of God is a religious question/issue.
- Victor Ganata
It could also be a logical and/or philosophical question / issue. Debating the validity of various religious beliefs doesn't have to be a religious discussion, any more than debating the validity of what Fox News says is a discussion about journalism :)
- (dot)lizard kelly
Yeah, they can totally lick themselves in places we can't. No fair!
- (dot)lizard kelly
Oh boy, I'm late to this party but atheism is certainly not a religion. That's the whole point. It's not even a real "-ism". Unless you think not believing in Santa Claus needs to be called "aclausism". I'm only an "atheist" only because it's easier than being a "ithinkyourreligionisinsaneandyoushouldreallykeepittoyourselfistsoidon'thavetotellyousotoyourface"
- Chris Munro
But why is it OK for an atheist to tell someone to their face that they're insane, but a Christian fundamentalist can't rant and rave and try to convert you? Myself, I'm all for STFU, I don't care what you believe or disbelieve in if it doesn't have any immediate physical consequences.
- Victor Ganata
Chris, there are atheists that fall into that group that you described, as the only reason you're an atheist. You might want to look into it and the fact that you used an illogical statement to back up a religion based on human logic.
- Jimminy
@Victor. Not that they are insane. Most religious people aren't. I think atheists are better off leaving religion to the religious -- until the religion infringes on their freedoms. Keep it out of the schools, out of government, don't ask me to pretend I respect it, and there's nothing more that needs to be said about it. My point was I won't tell you what I think of your religion if you don't ask me too. So it's not okay for a zealot to get in my face.
- Chris Munro
@Jiminy that's the only reason I identify myself as an atheist. The reasons I'm not a theist I suspect are the same ones you are referring to.
- Chris Munro
Chris, I don't understand that statement, you just made, but the new revolution in Atheism is the exact opposite of what you don't want to be classified as, the "ithinkyourreligionisinsane" "butimgoingtoletyouknowthatyourestupidandillogicalnowtoyourfaceorbehindyourback" You might want to look into that before you claim that as your only reason to be an Atheist, here is an article to read. http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
- Jimminy
Victor: "I would say that the existence or non-existence of God is a religious question/issue." Whether or not some particular intelligent agent is responsible for the existence of the universe is not *only* a "religious question/issue." Go down the list of deities; each one either really exists, or it doesn't.
- Christopher A Carr
To be fair, the existence/non-existence of Yahweh, Set, Quetzalcoatl, Quaoar, Eris, or Cthulhu can also be considered philosophical questions. What they aren't are scientific questions, since it's probably impossible to prove whether or not they exist.
- Victor Ganata
People who believe in Yahweh make empirical claims. Yahweh either created the Earth, or he didn't. He either fathered himself or he didn't.
- Christopher A Carr
Science perhaps ought not have much concern with deism or pantheism, but theism is a different matter.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, certainly, there are some who take the Bible literally, but, realistically, they're a minority. A lot of Catholics I know don't think there is any inconsistency between the metaphors employed in Genesis and the physical creation of the Universe as described by the Big Bang. And it's simply not possible to test whether or not there was an omniscient/omnipotent entity that...
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- Victor Ganata
@Jimminy, I read the article, but I'm not sure what point you're making? Are you saying logic is a religion? That using logic makes you religious? Atheism is not a religion based on logic. Look, I don't believe in magical pixies. So I'm an apixieist, too. Does that mean apixieism is a religion? I don't believe in pixies for the same reason I don't believe in Thor, there's no good reason to believe in either.
- Chris Munro
Chris, it seems like the point of the article is that some atheists do practice it like a religion.
- Victor Ganata
Chris: But, but, the fact that you would be interested in what is only a religious question makes you religious. ;-) Pfft.
- Christopher A Carr
OK, so the point of my OP is that if Taoism is a religion, I don't understand why atheism isn't a religion, too. But if Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion, then I can understand why atheism isn't a religion.
- Victor Ganata
Chris, Atheists pride themselves on being more logical than the the religious, but the remark you made was because of something that Atheists also perform, which is makes that an illogical reason to be an Atheist. I consider any religious view to be a religion, which includes the disbelief of deities or the belief there are no dieties, is a religion.
- Jimminy
So. Is Taoism a religion?
- Victor Ganata
Here we go again. Didn't we have this discussion before? By definition, atheism is not a religion. Of course, Alex likes to make up definitions to fit his opinions. We all got used to that, ;)
- Alejandro
Jimminy: Do *you* believe in Thor?
- Christopher A Carr
Victor: Which Taoism are you talking about?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: just what you get from the Tao Te Ching. From what I remember, there are no mention of any deities, and nothing that seems to contravene physical law.
- Victor Ganata
As an Atheist, Atheism is my religious choice, and thus it is my religion, it is the belief structure by which I live. No I don't believe in Thor, I don't believe in any of the Norse Gods, why do we keep bringing this up.
- Jimminy
Which sense of the polysemous "religion" are you using?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, by your definition of religion, does Taoism as described by the Tao Te Ching constitute a religion?
- Victor Ganata
Stop it, you guys! :p Or I'll have to refer you all to that XKCD about "I can't get off of the computer right now. Someone on the internet is wrong!" Thinking of that is what made me bow out.
- Kamilah Gill
LOL, Kamilah. I don't think anyone is necessarily wrong here. I'm just curious what people think. Most discussions of theism versus atheism always seem to neglect Eastern philosophies/religions. It wasn't until this discussion that I came across the idea of being an atheist (in the sense that you don't believe in supreme deity) but still believing in a spiritual tradition. Since there are a lot of avowed atheists on FF, I was wondering if they thought that was valid.
- Victor Ganata
Jimminy: Not subscribing to any religious tenet does not a religion make, unless you've your own special definition of the term. Victor: I would say it falls a bit short of being a religion -- more a philosophical school.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, so in your definition of religion, theism is mandatory? Or is there another reason why Taoism falls short of being a religion?
- Victor Ganata
I guess it depends on what "definition" of atheism we're using. I do not believe that God exists. I believe that God does not exist. Subtle but crucial difference. Christopher et al seems to be arguing the former, while Victor et al seem to be using the latter. I subscribe to the former view. Also, it is entirely possible to be a theist and agnostic.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze, but can you be an atheist and spiritual? I still think that disbelief is equivalent to belief, in the same way that negative numbers and positive numbers are all still numbers, but I guess that's a matter of taste.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: What does "spiritual" mean?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: heh, that's a good question. I guess mostly the kinds of things that the NY Times article Jimminy linked to mentions. Atheistic spiritualism does seem to fit Taoism in a way.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: RE: Taoism -- On second thought, Taoism is so interwoven with Chinese folk religion and has had so many different manifestations, and is, at its core, concerned enough with metaphysical explanations, that I can't say I'm exactly sure what it is.
- Christopher A Carr
see, that's my thing. I think that "belief" is a willful act. If I don't think that one not believing in the existence of something automatically equals the belief in its non-existence. For instance, if one has never concerned oneself with religion and whether or not God exists then that's a different idea than someone who's thought and considered and came to the conclusion (or belief) that God doesn't exist.
- Chieze Okoye
Victor: Read the article. Still have no idea what you mean by "spiritual."
- Christopher A Carr
Which does lead me to a more nit-picky question. Most atheists I've met seem to specifically disbelieve in the Christian God. Is it necessary to disbelieve in a supreme being? If you specifically disbelieved in Odin and Thor, would that make you an atheist? Are ghosts, ancestors, or spirits of nature considered deities?
- Victor Ganata
I'm in disbelief that God or Gods exist = I cannot believe that God or Gods exist = Agnosticism :: I believe there to be no god or gods = Atheism. Yet the most radical of "Atheists" prefer the first, because it doesn't label them as a religion. Since Christopher, would like to know what meaning of religion I use, "Our ideological and traditional heritage." It being an ideology because...
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- Jimminy
But that's just beliefs. I still don't think, even given that someone can believe in no God, that that behavior constitutes a religion. The ritualistic part of the definition is critical and being conveniently ignored in this discussion.
- Chieze Okoye
Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say by "spirituality", Christopher. I have to think about it some mroe.
- Victor Ganata
and Victor, to your earlier question, I do think that one can be atheistic and spiritual. "I believe that there is no all- or super-powerful diety or dieties, but I believe that there are metaphysical forces that we don't understand" seems perfectly fine to me.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze, I guess I don't think that ritual is necessary for religion but I suppose the problem is that we all have such varying definitions of religion.
- Victor Ganata
yes, that's definitely true.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: Why would you call elements of the universe not yet understood "spiritual?"
- Christopher A Carr
Chieze, thanks! That's the word I'm looking for. Metaphysical. That's what I'm mean by "spiritual."
- Victor Ganata
Christopher, hmm, good question, but your use of yet is elucidating. Let me get back to you in a second.
- Chieze Okoye
Jimminy: I'm not persuaded by the arguments for theism = atheism (that's me). It is impossible to prove that some entity -- provided it is defined as existing outside the natural order -- does or does not exist = agnosticism. (that's also me). Jimminy, your usage of "agnosticism" is somewhat idiosyncratic.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, I guess I would use the word metaphysics not to describe physical processes not yet understood, but to describe knowledge or experiences that will always lie beyond the auspices of experimental science.
- Victor Ganata
Ok, here's my thinking: I don't know that the metaphysical forces in "spirituality" are something that can be known. Partly because I think most of the time they are defined as being unprovable by human observable means. It's just a term that I'm using as shorthand to refer to those set of beliefs. All I was saying in that previous statement was that it's not really hard for me to...
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- Chieze Okoye
Or to put it another way, can you be an atheist, but still believe in UFOs or ghosts?
- Victor Ganata
Victor: I'm a naturalist. I don't think there's anything in the universe that will "always lie beyond the auspices of experimental science" for any reason other than some upper limit on human intellect. All real phenomena are part of the natural order. "Super-natural" is to me a meaningless term.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, when did I say theism = atheism? The first point doesn't lend comparison doesn't lend itself to Atheism, purely agnostic views, to be an Atheist you would have to agree on the belief that deities do not exist. However Atheism is a religion based on the ideological factors that come with it influence my actions.
- Jimminy
Jimminy: You miss-parsed the passage. Also, I didn't attribute it to you.
- Christopher A Carr
Jimminy (and others), you're confusing being "religious about" atheism with being "religious". Can I be "religious about" vegetarianism? If so, am I being "religious"?
- Edward Zwart
Jimminy: "However Atheism is a religion based on the ideological factors that come with it influence my actions." Ethical systems are religions, then? "Atheism" isn't even an ethical system.
- Christopher A Carr
This is why the "rituals" and "belief in existence of a god or gods" are critical parts to the functional definition of the word "religion." Anything else rapidly becomes the set of all beliefs and all systems.
- Chieze Okoye
Christopher: do you believe it's physically possible to observe any phenomena preceding the Big Bang? Or to see beyond the light horizon that's continuing to recede because of the expansion of dark energy? Or even to see inside the event horizon of a black hole? There are plenty of things that can't be tested experimentally.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Those are natural, more-or-less understood phenomena. I didn't say that humans can in principle do anything or know everything. In other words, we can't have access to all information in the universe, but there are comprehensible (at least to something) reason why that's the case -- natural reasons.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: well, so that's what I mean by metaphysical--things that lie beyond the information that we can access. How can something that can't be observed, even indirectly, be considered comprehensible though?
- Victor Ganata
Exactly [edit] oops, misread that last sentence, i take it back!
- Edward Zwart
Humans needn't be able to access information about some phenomena for it to be natural.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, with the choice of Atheism, you are deeming that their are no other planes you will see, you will not be reincarnated into heaven nor earth, thus you must choose your actions wisely. Those that will not result in effects that reduce ones life. With Atheism comes the ideological effects of preserving oneself, and embracing every moment one has, because there are no second chances.
- Jimminy
If ghosts are "real," then they are non super-natural.
- Christopher A Carr
Jimminy: "With Atheism comes the ideological effects of preserving oneself, and embracing every moment one has, because there are no second chances." Not necessarily.
- Christopher A Carr
Seeing it as a choice is odd to me...
- Edward Zwart
If you practice something, or believe in any god, then you are not an atheist, but a follower of a belief. On the other hand atheism is a belief too, but unlike religion it is not a "system" If somebody goes out and starts to build atheist churches, decide the holy day of the week, then it becomes a belief system, aka religion.
- Onur Gündüz
Christopher, "not necessarily" you mean there are other lives?
- Jimminy
OK, I see what you mean. So we can't really rule out super-powerful non-corporeal hyperintelligences as being supernatural either.
- Victor Ganata
Jimminy, that's another misparse of what Christopher is saying. You're saying that this belief MUST CAUSE this reaction. He's saying that that "MUST CAUSE" you threw in there is not necessarily the case. I can believe in no God and no after life and no whatever else, and be perfectly fine with wasting my life away.
- Chieze Okoye
No, Jimminy -- I mean your conclusion doesn't logically follow from your premises. Not believing in a deity doesn't not oblige me to "embrace every moment."
- Christopher A Carr
Victor: Correct. There may be weakly-"god-like" hyper-intelligences out there. If there are, they are natural.
- Christopher A Carr
But back to the question: can you be an atheist and still believe in ghosts and UFOs?
- Victor Ganata
Victor: yes, I think so myself.
- Chieze Okoye
Atheism, exists on a quantum plane then, it is a religion and it is not a religion. Because for me it has brought along ideological changes, and for you it has not. The way I've experienced it is a religion, for you it is not.
- Jimminy
Bringing about "ideological changes" makes things a religion? Then I suppose Maoism is a religion.
- Christopher A Carr
I think that NY Times article certainly demonstrates that some atheists believe that atheism can fulfill the same roles as religion, although I guess this doesn't mean it actually is one.
- Victor Ganata
@Victor, I think the answer to your question is yes. It's possible, and common, for humans to hold 2 apparently contradictory positions at once. It's not dissimilar to a scientist who is also religious.
- Edward Zwart
Victor: I don't see why not. They may be convinced that "UFOs" are human-piloted vessels from the future, and they may think that we just haven't figured out what ghosts are yet...if they're both an atheist and a naturalist. But I suppose there exist atheists that aren't particularly naturalists.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jimminy: Is Democracy a religion? How about the belief in age seniority? Again, disconnecting the word "religion" from the specific belief of a god or gods and having a set of rituals that you follow along with that belief isn't doing any favors because the argument reduces to "any set of beliefs at all is a religion" which is a silly statement.
- Chieze Okoye
Edward, I guess I don't see either example as being contradictory :D
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, I do, but I'm not trying to prove that they are... Pick any two contradictory thoughts then. Can a person hold contradictory beliefs? I think we see it all the time.
- Edward Zwart
I guess my question was, more generally, as long as you don't believe in a supreme deity, can you believe in other supernatural phenomenon and still be an atheist? Or does believe in such things nullify your status as an atheist? Like, do you get excommunicated from the non-church of atheism? :D Or do other atheists laugh and point whenever they see you?
- Victor Ganata
Great conversation guys, but I have to go home now. Later.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze, a belief that leads to ideological factors is what I was getting at, of course any belief itself isn't a religion, it has to result in some set of actions based around that belief. Which Atheism has done for me.
- Jimminy
I can be an atheist and believe that there is life on other planets that may have greater intelligence of space travel than humans. So yes, an Atheist can believe in UFOs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
However, one that strongly believes in the Bible cannot as it disrupts a major core in the belief that man was created in his image.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jimminy: Any belief that results in "some set of actions based around that belief" is a religion. Is the perception that one needs to urinate, a religion?
- Christopher A Carr
@Victor, Christopher has already amply addressed supernatural versus not-yet-understood... As far as finding people who want to join the atheist camp but still cling to some pretty indefensible positions, check out the Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists, & the Non Religious lending group on http://www.kiva.org. I've always thought that name was awesome because it's so inclusive, but it also has its drawbacks (not too many people don't think of themselves as a freethinker!).
- Edward Zwart
Manielse, not bible aspect isn't necessarily true, it just depends on the interpretation, there is a quote I found in a text a few years ago which actually makes it a valid point that man was created in his image. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - -- -- - - - - -- " God is the creator, the omnipotent controller of our plane. Man as a whole shall be creators with omnipotent rule over...
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- Jimminy
Isn't it obvious that man created god?
- Edward Zwart
Christopher, "urinate a religion"?
- Jimminy
I know the Catholic church burned Giordano Bruno at the stake for his theory of many worlds, but I think the Vatican finally apologized for that a few years ago. :D
- Victor Ganata
Edward, exactly my point, Manielse said that one who strongly believes the Bible cannot be an Atheist, because it disrupts the belief that man was created in "his" image. Not exactly if he also believes that.
- Jimminy
Jimminy: Are we still having a hard time parsing English?
- Christopher A Carr
I would have thought that "one who strongly believes the Bible cannot be an Atheist" would also be obvious.
- Edward Zwart
Edward, well what I got from Christopher's response is that there isn't anything that's supernatural. If any of those phenomena are real, then it's going to be completely natural. But what if you believe in fairies or elves? Zombies or vampires? Unicorns and centaurs? Things that clearly cannot be natural, at least according to the laws of physics as they apply to the observable universe. Is such a person still an atheist so long as they don't believe in a supreme being?
- Victor Ganata
Is someone who professes to be a vegan but hunts still a vegan? At that point, it's just a definitional problem, and extremely boring.
- Edward Zwart
Christopher, the statement made no sense, what so ever, I'm sorry you're apparently having a hard time writing English statements that make sense, could you please explain how one sucks a fuck also?
- Jimminy
Yes, please explain that Christopher!
- Edward Zwart
Edward, well, yeah, that's what I'm getting at. What's the definition of an atheist? Is it simply the disbelief in a supreme deity, or does being an atheist also require you to eschew all things supernatural? Clearly, the definition of being a vegan requires that you not kill animals.
- Victor Ganata
Jimminy: [[Is the perception that one needs to urinate] [a religion]]? not [[Is the perception that one needs to] [urinate a religion]]? Earlier, you completely misconstrued what manielse wrote.
- Christopher A Carr
Victor: No, my point before was that an Atheist cannot believe in a supernatural being from an act of God but more centered around some form of science. Though Unicorns and other examples do not exist today, mutations and cross-breeding may very well produce an Unicorn someday.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Victor Here's another response to your question... I think what you're driving at is that an atheist quite likely might have arrived at that position, or might describe why they are one, by appealing to a lack of evidence for the theistic stance. And there are MANY things in this world that people believe with scant evidence, like UFOs or ghosts... If one calls oneself an atheist based...
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- Edward Zwart
Jimminy: Which was in response to this: "...any belief itself isn't a religion, it has to result in some set of actions based around that belief."
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, oh, you know what, it's actually possible to parse English if you use the correct punctuation, you ommited a comma, which creates a break there. I'm sorry that you write syntactically incorrect English.
- Jimminy
(Psst, Jimminy, that's a run-on sentence. You inserted a comma where you shouldn't have...) :D
- Edward Zwart
I guess what I'm wondering is if atheists ever call each other out, like how religious folk brand each other as heretics. :D
- Victor Ganata
Oh shit, is that what you're asking?! The answer is YES, all the time!
- Edward Zwart
Jimminy: I'm happy to paste some of your half-mangled prose here, if you want to be a dick.
- Christopher A Carr
LOL! Which makes me wonder again, how is atheism different from any other religion, then? :D
- Victor Ganata
Ghosts is an interesting argument though as the traditional definition means that it is a type of life after death in the form of a spirit. If you believe in that type of definition of a ghost, it does question whether you believe in an after life. BUT, belief in an after life does not directly translate into the belief of a higher being. So, by definition of Atheist meaning the belief that there is no God, you still are an Atheist with a different subset of beliefs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
So, theoretically an animist who doesn't believe in supreme deities could be an atheist.
- Victor Ganata
Strictly speaking, a deist can be an atheist.
- Christopher A Carr
Victor, the common characteristic that you just discovered is simply the willingness to call out others on inconsistency. That's not enough to say atheism is a religion fuck! er...
- Edward Zwart
I've had it with this thread.
- Christopher A Carr
I guess Victor, theoretically an animist would be that exact classification of my last post. "Animism" means simply "a belief in souls". Different views of some beliefs but both agree there is no higher power God.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Argh, please forgive the outburst. It looks so bad in print! But it's exactly what I said to myself. :)
- Edward Zwart
Edward, LOL, I realize that isn't proof that atheism is a religion. I guess the point you're making is that humans still exhibit similar behaviors no matter what they believe :D
- Victor Ganata
Everyone has a religion, including what we call Agnostics and Atheists. Without one's religion, it assumes that one has never thought about anything surrounding religious beliefs which I'm pretty sure everyone has (unless you are very young or have mental disorders). We as humans like to label things into groups because it's our nature to classify things together and in this case we are classifying individual beliefs into subset groupings. Therefore belief in no God is a subset grouping of religious beliefs
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Argh -- ok, maniels: "Without one's religion, it assumes that one has never thought about anything surrounding religious beliefs which I'm pretty sure everyone has (unless you are very young or have mental disorders)." Contemplating subject matter that's also contemplated by people who subscribe to some religion, does not necessarily mean that one "has a religion."
- Christopher A Carr
OK Chris, what's your definition of religion? (Sorry if it's buried above somewhere)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
From Wikipedia: A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth....It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Explain to me how anyone cannot have religion in that definition?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Manielse, I do not "believe in no god", I simply do not believe in a god or gods. Atheism, in my case at least, is not a belief system.
- (dot)lizard kelly
From wikipedia: "Atheism can be either the rejection of theism, or the position that deities do not exist. In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities." If it is a rejection of theism (which it is in my case), that is not a religion. It's the rejection of religion.
- (dot)lizard kelly
But God is only one element to one's religious belief system. That element is only a checkmark in your set of beliefs. There are other checkmarks such as belief in an after-life (most Aesthetics no but Animist yes), belief in karma, extrasensory perception (ESP), etc.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I do not have a "belief" system - I don't think in those terms. It's a human instinct to believe in unseen forces, but unless you can express them in the form of an equation, I will not "believe" them to be true. I do not subscribe to mysticism or mythology.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Ascribing a 'belief system' to a skeptic is like trying to figure out which type of fish a squirrel is.
- (dot)lizard kelly
manielse: You said that (nearly) everyone has a religion because everyone has thought about things "surrounding religious beliefs." I sometimes think about class issues, so do Marxists -- but *I'm not a Marxist*.
- Christopher A Carr
I wonder; is not believing in astrology a type of religion?
- Christopher A Carr
Fair enough (dot)lizard. But in simple terms, you've come to the conclusion that unexplained equations are simply unexplained at this point in time but there is an explanation through science or logic that man just cannot grasp yet. So you have established a 'belief system' that a supernatural force does not exist in anywhere but in one's mind. You may not think in those terms but those are your conclusions to religion.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Chris: Now your just grouping people in a different order. Political beliefs, same argument that one must have their own collection of Political beliefs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think it's very theist-centric to identify any thought process that involves the unknown as religious. It's the same argument used by creationists claiming their blind faith should be taught alongside science.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Astrology was the foundation of all the ancient faiths: Egyptian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Zoroastrian, Mithraism, the Druids and the Norse gods. It's a subset.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Atheism is definitely a religion. I shall quote Brie from Desperate Housewives: "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifferent." Using the same logic, atheism is a religion, however agnosticism is not.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
A subset of what? Wait, you mean those religions are subsets of astrology? I'm not sure what you're on about at this point.
- Christopher A Carr
I think, to be more general, everyone has a set of metaphysical beliefs--ways they deal with things that don't have a well-known or easily discoverable natural answer. For a lot of people these beliefs come pre-packaged via religion. But I think atheism also fulfills this role, even if it isn't a religion.
- Victor Ganata
As a native Chinese growing up in Hong Kong, I should state that Taoism is not a religion. Nor is Buddhism. Both are philosophy which does not reference a figure to be worshipped (a god). That people worship certain buddhist leaders as a god is a religion of their own, but the philosophy of how to live life itself is not a religion per se.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Victor: The way I deal with not understanding why the universe bothers to exist is to say "I don't know." How is that religion-like?
- Christopher A Carr
Skepticism means that things which do not have a well-known or easily discoverable answer become fascinating areas of study, as long as there is some rational basis to expect, based on the current experiential data, that there is a scientific principle involved. Metaphysical beliefs fulfill my desire to understand the scientific basis for things in the same way water fulfills my need for something to breathe.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Christopher, I'm not saying it's religion-like. I'm looking at it from the other end--what needs do religions fulfill? One of them is to help people answer questions they don't know the answers to. Obviously, the other approach is to keep things in abeyance, accept that you simply don't know, and wait for more data. I still think atheism have some explanatory power with regards to why the universe is the way it is.
- Victor Ganata
See-ming, I read that Buddhism identifies itself as a religion, and not a philosophy. As a philosophy, it appeals to me, because there are so many delightful thought puzzles with which to explore ones own cognitive process.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I'm not sure about the Agnostic is not part, maybe in the general classification sense. An Agnostic person is undecided on the issue and it's not important to them to try to answer the unknown but they still are not completely neutral on all religious topics on an individual level.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Oh, and Victor? this is an AWESOME thread, thank you for starting it. I am having so much fun.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I would like to add one more example: believing in the design philosophy of Apple is not a religion, nor is liking their product designs. However, blindly following Apple for everything that they are, as well as seeing everything that Steve Jobs says is golden is a religion (or rather, a cult). As is Windows-7 trashers and perma-Microsoft hating. that's a religion :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Yes, it's a great thread, thank you!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
As an example of things metaphysics helps people cope with, probably one of the first "hard" questions kids face is mortality. It's not something we have an instinctual knowledge about. Most religions have pat answers for it. But it's also something that atheism seems to be able to answer: your consciousness disintegrates, your body decays, and that's all there is, there ain't no mo'...
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- Victor Ganata
@(dot)lizard.kelly I believe that modern Buddhism (or perhaps the majority of people practicing Buddhism these days) do worship a central figure Siddhartha Gautama aka Buddha - in an idol form. And they believe that by praying / meditating to the figure will bring them some form of miracle. However, that form of Buddhism is not really what the philosophy of Buddhism is about. Buddhism is a philosophy about selflessness.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
See-ming, yes, exactly. Any time a person abandons logic and facts in favor of following blindly, whether it's Steve Jobs or Ron Paul or Glenn Beck, it's a type of religion/cult.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Belief is by definition suspension of logic and reason.
- Brian Sullivan
@manielse I think (and I can be wrong) but at least in my view agnosticism is about indifference of religious views - I identify myself as an agnostic - as I see myself as understanding the context of religion, why they are the way they are but I am indifferent about them. I certainly don't condemn nor wish to start a holywar against one another.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
As an agnostic (which I am but lean more towards no existence of a Higher Power but I have no definitive proof to discard the possibility completely), I think all major religions have appealing philosophies and overall moral claims. None I can call my own though as no human can fully define an unknown in an absolute term.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
See-ming, that's the other conflict I have with Buddhist teachings / philosophy, aside from the mysticism. True selflessness is not a rational basis for living in this world, unfortunately. To follow those teachings would be impractical, to say the least.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Using geekdom examples again, there is far more hate in the Mac vs Windows war. Personally I don't give a damn. I use them all and I think that Linux is the best - but I am not in the business of condemning any of these software or starting viral ad campaigns to trash those systems! In this view, I'm an OS agnostic with love for the penguin. :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
SML: Look back in the thread for quite a bit on agnosticism and epistemology.
- Christopher A Carr
OK, I hate the philosophies and culture of Apple. I have a strong religious view there, not in the OS but the company... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@(dot)lizard.kelly Well, is it impractical? Not necessarily. Suggested reading: Happiness: A guide to developing life's most important skill by Matthieu Ricard. In the Life Hack section on my Amazon Listmania Lists: http://bit.ly/smlamazon :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
See-ming, My personal preferences run to bleeding-edge beta versions of MS, but I have had Macs and once went cold turkey to nothing but Linux. And I work as a web developer, so I must consider the followers of all OS and browsers in my work.
- (dot)lizard kelly
@Christopher.A.Carr Yes I will. Typing in my bed as we speak. Barely holding up. I might have to revisit this thread when I get up in the morning! Great thread you guys!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
See-ming, I will definitely check out that book, but what I meant is not that selflessness is bad, just that balance is the key - I do many, many things altruistically - with an honest generosity and without expectation of return. However I do not do this exclusively, or excessively. If I did, I believe I would become an easy victim.
- (dot)lizard kelly
Chris: Good point about epistemology. Using that theory, knowledge about a belief does not entail an endorsement of its truth. For example, "I know about astrology, but I don't believe in it" is perfectly acceptable. It is also possible that someone believes in astrology but knows virtually nothing about it. But in both cases, they established a subjective conclusive belief for themself.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
So using that analogy, (dot)lizard "knows about religion, but doesn't believe in it" but has still established a subjective conclusive belief around religion which is would still be classified as a religious belief none-the-less. So to bring this evening full circle: "null is still part of a set" as Alex stated.and therefore Atheism is a religion due to establishing that they do not endorse God or other religions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
A religious belief does not a religion make. Necessary, but not sufficient.
- Chieze Okoye
And I still think that the "null is part of set" argument is misused in this discussion, but I'm too tired to put it into words right now. Ok, I think I got it. The flaw I think is in how Alex framed it. The question isn't "how many religions are in this bucket?" (the equivalent of Alex's bean example) but "is atheism a member of the set of things that are religions?" which, just like...
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- Chieze Okoye
@Christopher.A.Carr I've just spent the last half hour reading all the reference materials. Learned a new term. I guess I would be considered an apatheist by wikipedia definition (though I don't generally take wikipedia as the bible (pun intended) :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
@LogEx Thanks for your reference to apatheism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... "Apatheism (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic or critically as practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or *lack of interest* towards belief, or lack of belief in a deity."
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
As an fyi, Tao Te Ching 道德經 means the Book of Ethics, and that's basically what it is. Why Taoism is considered a 'religion' in modern view is odd to me. You can read about it here in Chinese http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw... or English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - These are Chinese classical philosophy. Definitely not a religion.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
@Chieze.Okoye Well said!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
thanks SML. 8^) Oh, and now that I'm rested, I just realized another thing that bugged me about the "null is part of a set" explanation. In set theory, NULL isn't just a thing that doesn't have the property that you're asking about, NULL is the thing that has no property whatsoever. NULL isn't just the absence of belief, NULL is the absence of everything. Clearly this doesn't apply to atheism (since atheism is not nothing).
- Chieze Okoye
OK, I submit that the set theory analogy doesn't quite work. But the zero analogy does. Zero is still a measurable quantity. Something with a temperature of zero still has a temperature. Zero miles per hour is still a velocity. Zero feet above sea level is still an altitude. Not believing in gods is still a belief about gods. Not following any religion is still a stance with regards to religion. Are those last two statements enough to make a set of beliefs a religion? Maybe not.
- Victor Ganata
I think a religion implies a belief IN gods rather than a belief ABOUT gods.
- Kevin Pedraja
But a belief IN gods is still a belief ABOUT gods.
- Victor Ganata
I think I've changed my position while thinking about this deeper last night and this am. The Opposite of Atheism would actually be Omnitheism (there may be a term beyond but irrelevant in my hypothesis) so the answer is not just 0 or 1 but rather 0 to ∞ in Alex's set theory model of everything is in a set. Assuming this set is true, These are the defined outer boundaries of theism in a...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Again Victor, the number theory of zero doesn't really apply either. It's all definition. Your definition of "religion" is "all numbers." My definition of "religion" is "all positive numbers." Now zero doesn't fit into my set of things called "religion."
- Chieze Okoye
Fair enough, it really is all about definitions. The question is, I suppose, only really important when it comes to policy and legislation. In those realms, would you want atheism to be considered a religion, or not?
- Victor Ganata
"But a belief IN gods is still a belief ABOUT gods." The reverse is not necessarily the case.
- Christopher A Carr
In the sense that I want it protected by the 1st Amendment? Yes, I do. Should the 1st Amendment call it "religion" rather than "belief systems" or something more accurate? Not really.
- Chieze Okoye
Good question, Victor. As Chesterton said: "What a man believes depends on his philosophy, not on the clock or the century." and "a man who believes in nothing will believe in anything." So the question rightly will be: Who's philosophy will you adopt? Because there won't be a vacuum, something will fill it.
- Melanie Reed
The 1st Amendment includes Atheism whether or not it is a religion, it states religions or the choice to not follow any religion, via Freedom of Religion.
- Jimminy
oh, there you go.
- Chieze Okoye
Jimminy, do you know the name of the case that decided that? I imagine it's something fairly recent? I realize that is what the text of the amendment does describe, but I'm wondering when it was first tested in court.
- Victor Ganata
Ah. So the position of the Supreme Court is that, for the purposes of the First Amendment, atheism is equivalent to a religion, even if its adherents don't think it is one. (The plaintiff in the case was apparently quite adamant about atheism not being a religion.)
- Victor Ganata
Victor from what I can tell, it's always been part of the definition, I don't know that any case decided it. But possibly 1994, with Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jimminy
Wikipedia and Google eventually lead me to this case: Kaufman v Mccaughtry United States Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit. - 419 F.3d 678 http://cases.justia.com/us-cour... "we have suggested in the past that when a person sincerely holds beliefs dealing with issues of 'ultimate concern' that for her occupy a 'place parallel to that filled by . . . God in traditionally religious persons,' those beliefs represent her religion."
- Victor Ganata
wow I got here way too late. Sad. I just want to put in my minor thoughts.. Null != 0 (as opposed to what the very first comment suggested. And you can very much be both Atheist and Agnostic. Just because you believe something doesn't mean you know it to be true. I believe there are no Gods of any kind; I'm fully an atheist. However, I also willingly admit I don't know if my belief is...
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- Bill Rawlinson
The Next Web is now officially in the top 100 blogs in the world!
Johni Fisher, Jeunelle Foster, Daniel Rowley and 46 other people liked this
ok Friendfeed is absolutement dead. :)
- Zee.
Congratulations!
- Amit Nangare
Raaaad
- Maxamad
Makin History
- Andrea Contino
Cheers Zee :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Congratulations!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Well done, Zee.
- Stephen Mack
Congrats!
- Jinni
congrats Zee!!!
- Roberto
Awesome Zee
- Hunter Clarke
congratulations!
- Loic Le Meur
Excellent Zee.. Congrats!
- Bill Heslin
fabulous!! much success :o)
- Aline Ohannessian
Wow!! Congratulations!! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Nice!
- Anne Bouey
Congrats Zee (and your team) :)
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
Congrats.
- Dennis O'Neil
Woot it should be
- Robert Higgins
Congrats Zee!
- Garin Kilpatrick
awesome!
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
Congrats!
- Carmen
Excellent!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Holy! Congrats Zee!
- AJ Batac
Congrats guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
nice
- ffcode
Way to go!
- Lillian Pucci
Trying to start my first meme: Wearing big headphones meme!
Thomas Power, Louis Gray, Tim Costantino and 50 other people liked this
Optional: what are you listening to? http://www.livephish.com/live-mu...
- Benjamin Golub
Are those Sony MDR-V6es?
- Kevin Fox
Indeed they are Kevin. I think they are 8 years old and still kicking
- Benjamin Golub
I have Sennheiser HD280 Pros, which are pretty gigantor.
- Mick Crawford
Share a photo!
- Benjamin Golub
They look like Sony MDR-7506s too. I have a pair of those, as well as the Senn HD280s, which are definitely much bigger than the Sonys
- G. Sigh
What big ears you have!
- Marci Golub
http://skitch.com/micahwi... (I slipped out of them :)
- Micah Wittman
Aw, I would totally do that! But my big headphones are at work. And I don't have a webcam at work, either. :(
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
(Listening to FFundercarts) - http://friendfeed.com/inkedmn...
- Brett Kelly
Let's see who looks most like the Napster logo.
- Morton Fox
Just posted mine http://friendfeed.com/krynsky...
- Mark Krynsky
Posted: http://ff.im/3Q5lp
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Posted ! http://friendfeed.com/mokarga...
- Mo Kargas
Here's mine: http://friendfeed.com/adrianc...
- Adrian
REMIX or should I say... MEMIX?, plus B side "The Canz - Canz U C Me?"
- Adrian
Totally missed this. Must find pic now.
- Josh Haley
Get on it Haley!
- Mo Kargas
OK, OK... here: http://friendfeed.com/joshhal...
- Josh Haley
ARGH. I miss all the cool memes while I'm sleeping! Now I have two to do when I get home.
- Steven Perez
Not a bad turnout http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Benjamin Golub
Bump for good times.
- Mark Krynsky
They're not big. They are slimline in my book.
- Travis Koger
FriendFeed User Locations - Google Shared Map - http://maps.google.com/maps...
Jack DeWitt Smith, Daniel Rowley, edythe and 83 other people liked this
Roll call...this can be great if we all participate. Add yourself to this shared map. I created a placemark on the 2 major intersections near where I live.
- Mark Krynsky
or just list location...I'll start...Chatsworth, CA
- Mark Krynsky
I would but I won't
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near Chicago
- LogEx
How do I add myself?
- Mo Kargas
Grayson, GA
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Puyallup, WA
- Bren, Photophobe
Mo, I'm a newb to the shared maps stuff, but I turned on collaboration and allowed anyone to edit the map. There should be an edit button and then you can add a placemark.
- Mark Krynsky
erm...Adelaide, SA, Australia
- Mo Kargas
Sydney, Australia.
- Andrew Trinh
Yeah, I don't see how to add anything to the map
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
But you already have Rahsheen.
- Andrew Trinh
Well it's working because I see others are adding themselves...Make sure you are logged into your Google account.
- Mark Krynsky
After most have put their placemarks on, don't let anyone edit it because there's always someone out there waiting to fuck shit up.
- Andrew Trinh
This guide may help http://local.google.com/support...
- Mark Krynsky
@Andrew...good point. I just changed it from public to unlisted which only makes the map available to those with the URL.
- Mark Krynsky
Even so, last time we had the Confessions account details on FF it was tinkered with.
- Andrew Trinh
I added mine, but in the process of learning I think I nudged the Sydney, Australia points off a little. Sorry.
- Rob H.
Ok, think I did it!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Robert bought me a new house in the northern suburbs.
- Andrew Trinh
@Bec...nice. You are the first brave female on here.
- Mark Krynsky
Cool idea, Mark! I was thinking something like this would be fun the other day. Duly added myself - or at least the nearest big intersection. ;)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Mousing over the usernames shows your Google profile info...cool.
- Mark Krynsky
I marked a bus stop near my house. But not TOO near. :)
- Nine
If you haven't yet...go add FriendFeed to your Google Profile...it will then auto-discover and allow you to add a ton of other profiles you have.
- Mark Krynsky
Thanks for the profile tip - I hadn't updated it since I moved here!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Added myself. Verona, Italy
- Stefano
Added. Sydney, Australia
- Jay
Added. Doha, Qatar.
- Mohamed J
Thanks guys. This is coming along nicely. It's great to have as a resource to see where everyone is from. Hopefully this can become a standard feature on FF one day.
- Mark Krynsky
Canterbury, Melbourne, Victoria added
- Duncan Riley
Athens, Greece added, too :)
- George Tziralis
Added.
- Atul Arora
Ace idea, I've added mine in Kent, England.
- Kol Tregaskes
There's no spot for "Hell, Eternity" ... *sigh* I'll have to give in to my worldly location...
- Kyle Brady
Added, Near Paris, France
- Olivier Castets
Asia's letting the side down
- Toby Graham
added, North London, UK
- Rory
Current count: 13 US, 11 Europe, 3 Australia, 1 Middle East. Happy to see many others add themselves overnight. Hoping more will continue this.
- Mark Krynsky
Done ! Waterloo Belgium
- Jacopo Gio
Added myself!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Hey Robert Haas - We're apparently neighbors. - edit. Okay maybe not, unless you live at the airport. XD
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
@Jill, make sure you are logged into your Google account and then click on the edit button above the list of names already on the map. You will then see the pushpin in the upper left hand side of the map.
- Mark Krynsky
Great idea!
- Alan Le
Added. Seems like there are a lot of us in the Bay Area...we must do a get together at some point.
- Neal Jansons
@Neal yea, we really need a FriendFeed meetup. I might be up there for Web 2.0 in March...or we can have one at SXSW if a large number of us are going. Let's plan and get the Upcoming page going.
- Mark Krynsky
Am I the only FriendFeeder in VA?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
@Mark Not gonna make SXSW, but am definitely down for working on an FF get together. March is long enough away to make sure plenty of people have time to plan ahead. I added you on Upcoming so we can start coordinating it. Anyone else interested/want to help set this up?
- Neal Jansons
Maybe we can talk Paul & Bret into letting us invade the FF offices for a meetup in conjunction with Web 2.0? That would be sooooo cool!
- Mark Krynsky
Oooh, now that's a really great idea.
- Neal Jansons
I'm there :)
- Alejandro
Yay Alejandro...first South American..and my old stomping grounds in Argentina no less :)
- Mark Krynsky
Added!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Neat. Added.
- Rodfather
Added.
- michael sean wright
Alright Shey! We finally have a Canadian...let's see if your fellow compatriot Mark Wilson joins the fray.
- Mark Krynsky
@NiceFishFilms, your pushpin seems a bit off up there in Russia. Dana Point is thousands of miles from there :)
- Mark Krynsky
Oh, I see now...you added 2. You're a pushpin litterbug :)
- Mark Krynsky
Added..
- CW™
Another snowflake pushpin *waves to Shey*
- Micah Wittman
whoo hoo! Canadian snowflakes FTW!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Added.Hi from Russia.:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
How do I add myself again? How do I add my ff to my gmail account?
- Amani
Done
- ♥patricia♥
Cairo, Egypt
- Hayk H.
reykjavik, iceland
- siggimus
Cologne, Germany
- Holger Eilhard
Carcavelos, Portugal
- Ricardo Vidal
Added New Jersey but boy, it took a while to get the Pin logo on the screen, not so obvious
- Sally Church
London EC1 UK
- Joe Dawson
Added
- Michelle Martinez
Added
- Bwana ☠
Pinned! sheesh this just cost me 1/2 hour of time as I scrolled thru all the folks :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Except for Bret, there are no FriendFeeders on the penninsula between San Jose and San Francisco. So much for Silicon Valley early adopters.
- Ryan Kuder
Added! I'm the first in The Netherlands :-)
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Added. First in Japan!
- rawwell
London, Ontario, Canada. Represent!!
- Mark Wilson
I think I added me. HOpe it worked
- Amani
added!
- matthew john ernisse
This is truly awesome!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Cluelessness alert! I'm not seeing how to add my pushpin!
- Hutch Carpenter
For some reason whenever i use google maps in creation-mode, it defaults to some other maps I've used, not the one I'm trying to access - ah, figured it out. Had to de-activate some other collaborative maps
- anna sauce
Added. What a great way to see who's on FF in Austin, TX!
- Carter Rabasa
Added myself in Shenzhen,China.
- Steve Chou
courtenay, canada - http://friendfeed.com/ernieya...
- ernie yacub
added me. Coimbatore, South India
- vijay
Added Bangalore, India.
- Mahesh CR
Added
- Glenn Slaven
Added
- Youngmin Kim
I'm added now, too.
- Kamilah Gill
Nice! I'm the only active FriendFeeder in Montreal: Quebec represents FF! I could be a French Canadian FF ambassador or something. =)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Added
- ThenWang
Added
- James Myatt
Added. I am now an icon :^)
- Nick B.
Added =)
- ChaCha Fance
Added.
- Bonnie Foster
Looks great in Google Earth! (from Paris)
- Liviu Barbat
Added
- Michael Fidler
Added. Antananarivo, Madagascar
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Finally me too :) Greetings from Ankara Turkey :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
Group shot from the LA FriendFeed Meetup
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Top left to right: Amani http://friendfeed.com/mirthna..., Mark VandenBerg http://friendfeed.com/mvanden..., Shevonne http://friendfeed.com/dcfemel..., Me http://friendfeed.com/krynsky . Chillin on the sofa: Anika http://friendfeed.com/fabooma..., Derrick http://friendfeed.com/geekand... & don't forget Anika's beautiful kids.
- Mark Krynsky
+++++ very kool! whos the hottie in the purple??
- Carlos Ayala
yeah i said it!?!?! what!
- Carlos Ayala
I was thinking the same thing, Los
- Bren, Photophobe
Sweet!
- Rodfather
That's "Shevonne"
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OMG Amani! And Shevonne (HOTTIE)!! And Mark! And Mark!! And DERRICK!! And your GORGEOUS kids!!!!! Thanks for sharing!! *edit: Should I be scared I named you guys w/out looking at the caption? I think I have a problem...
- Mona Nomura
Now I'm jealous :P
- BeeLing
[envy]
- Kamath (नमः)
Success!
- l0ckergn0me
Thanks to Anika and her husband for hosting. We had a great time. And for the record...Derrick is everything you think he is AND a bag of chips.
- Mark Krynsky
قرار فرفري اينا رو..ميرن خونه هم
- αida®
Great.
- Tsega Dinka
Depends on what you think he is tho...
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Derrick's ok. Mark K. tried to get me drunk on some South African booze that was discovered by monkeys. No joke. Everyone was the bee's knees, and if you aren't following them, you should. They will enrich your FF experience.
- Derrick
I was a little bummed we didn't have Mo & Morgan though but we're already talking about a 3rd meetup and I already volunteered to host it.
- Mark Krynsky
This pic turned out nice. It was that camera of yours Mark. That was fun and the traffic getting there didn't even aggravate me. Derrick's ok too! LOL... ;-)
- Amani
Wow! That's great!
- Randy
Great, great pic!
- Josh Haley
Way to go!!
- tony
Oh yea and we missed Pea too!
- Mark Krynsky
Thanks Anika for hosting!!! You all are super cute!
- Shevonne
Oh puhleeze Shevonne. You're the one with the million dollar smile :)
- Mark Krynsky
Now THAT was a moment of win if I ever saw one!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Great photo! What the hell is my boy doing? Freak! It's great to have met you all.
- Anika
Superb! If only someone could sponsor a flight ticket to LA ;)
- ◄ani625Ξ
LD has spoken. Shevonne is a hottie. I would hit it. :P
- ld
LOL LD
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Awesome! More meetups like this please. Also, what ani625 said :-)
- vijay
Love this.
- felicious
You guys, rock!! Cheers, congrats and a standing ovation for all of you!
- George The Writer
Glad you guys had a great time! Of course, with such fun people in attendance it was a given that you would have a blast.
- ♥patricia♥
love this :)
- Baard @ Pixum
*morning after bump*
- Josh Haley
YAY!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
that's chill. adrian didn't kick you all out? lol
- Cee Bee
You all look like you had a wonderful time.
- Helen Sventitsky
Great pic and great group, looks like y'all had fun!
- Trish R
*strike a pose*
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Shevonne and Anika look great! It sounds like you had a great time, and your home looks lovely, Anika.
- RAPatton
Love it, good to see FF's meeting up irl!
- Sally Church
Awwww...thanks RAP. Her home is very eclectic. I loved it!
- Shevonne
Beautiful people! Great pic!!!!! I'm glad y'all had a fun night! <3 FF
- Carmen
Awesome pic. Wish I was there with you all. But damn, you are all sexy peeps! What's up with that?
- Morgan Haley
Morgan! We missed you but Anika's re-enactment of you ice skating at the first meetup was classic.
- Mark Krynsky
Hopefully she made me look better than I actually did!
- Morgan Haley
JEALOUS!!!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Morgan, we missed you!
- Anika
I'll be there at the next one fo' sho'!
- Morgan Haley
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
:)
- edythe
For Benjamin's Big Headphones Meme
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As seen here: http://friendfeed.com/bgolub...
- Mark Krynsky
Ok, gotta try this.
- Adrian
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
Love Is... - http://amolife.com/image...
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Brandon, J. Abdul-Qahhar, MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS and 92 other people liked this
Hey ... dats us ;-*
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;-P :-*
- Anna Haro
nice.
- Mycaptain
jealous
- Marissa
vaauuww wonderfull
- Me fallit ஐ
very beautıful
- ramazan çekiç
:-))
- Live4Emma (L4S)
<333
- Ayşe E.
<3!
- Mo Kargas
*swoon* <3
- Darren Heydon
Great pictures
- Joe Dawson
Miss Bonnie Parker + Clyde Barrow!!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
loved it! ♥♥
- orkun[:]tiramisuadam
Beautiful :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
You are being monitored - http://ffffound.com/image...
Mitchell Tsai, willdarling, Mitch and 78 other people liked this
Monitoring my boss is what I'd like to do.
- Mohsein Sani
from fftogo
lol, classic
- echostreamer
LMAO
- Farzad
Does it have a camera? (My hefty old Mac monitor had a microphone... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
bwaaahaha
- Fossil Huntress
HAH
- Nicholas Kreidberg
http://twitpic.com/m7795 - Passport photo - mug shot Mexico here we come
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Josh Haley, Steven Perez, M♥hammad and 5 other people liked this
=)
- @CrystalinaB
...damn, could you be any cuter without trying?! :)
- JA Castillo
Nearly three dozen extrasolar planets found - Space.com- msnbc.com - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
Cem Kongur, Steven Perez, Alan Le and 4 other people liked this
This Used To Be My Playground - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Mahdi Ebrahimi, Susan Beebe, Mitchell Tsai and 40 other people liked this
No comment
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Commenting here so that MG stops feeling bad that nobody comments on his stuff anymore.
- Bruce Lewis
Wow... that makes me so sad
- Holly Rae, FFer
*sigh*
- Yolanda
...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
*shrugs* I get more comments now, I think.
- Jennifer Dittrich
This used to be my childhood dream...
- Rochelle
quite right rochelle :)
- MG Siegler
but...I don't wanna have bloody feet!
- WorldofHiglet
Now look what you've done, MG. You're scaring Higlet!
- Bruce Lewis
I noticed that my Hot Threads saved search mostly turn up non-english threads now, so there's definitely been an effect. That said, FriendFeed may be down but it ain't out yet.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
MG, you're right about the FF infrastructure being on autopilot, but I would characterize the activity as a network of small towns - not a (monolithic) ghost town. Anyway, compared another article of late, you did the topic justice. :)
- Micah Wittman
MG: Don't be so fatalistic. FF is there, it's up to us, the users, what we make of it. Personally I like this place so much that I think I'll hang in here until the cleaning staff starts placing upturned chairs on the table and asking the last few customers to hurry up with their drinks.
- Paola Bonomo
i haveNEVER had one comment,but I got one like.I must be posting crap.I'll stop and change up.what's the deal here-the person who gets the most comments get JUST a mention on best of the week or day?
- R_ C
R_ C, step 1 is to make your feed public. I see a private feed and assume what's in it is none of my business unless I know you in real life.
- Bruce Lewis
My feed's public, but I've never gotten many comments. Still, I comment on others' posts a lot. FF's still here for me, so I'm still here. As for Posterous, it and FF complement each other. For me, FF is where Twitter, Facebook, Posterous, Blogger, and Google Reader come together in a single feed. So it's still important to me. I don't think it's so much "dead" as "alive and still dying"...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice, but I think I woulda used the opportunity to pull out some REM "Cuyahoga" lyrics instead of taking the Madonna angle.
- Ken Sheppardson
liking this place wouldn't get all those tech talks we could have it would be more of a fun place now, memes going on and all that, a lot of geeks have moved on
- ffcode
Dennis: that it is an aggregator is the reason why it remains Scoble's homepage at twitter and the badges are still up at scobleizer :)
- ffcode
It's apparent that what we have here is just another bad creation http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jay Cuthrell
This makes me want to write an article about this. Friendfeed has a better interface to communicate, but people are spending their time on Facebook.
- Andrew
Andrew: i think the type of people facebook has can be attracted to ff if we have themes here and private msging be a prime feature
- ffcode
Rock'n'Rule! :D (via http://friendfeed.com/lovlou...)
SportyGeek Adj., kindlerya, ozlemceylan and 62 other people liked this
lol
- !•راﻣﮯ ™
XD
- Jay
i have these pictures as my iPod background :)
- ♥ Stephiepooos ♥
so cute. but what is it? a pillow?
- Kirill Bolgarov
haa haa, so sweet ^^
- mayamisa
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