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Gillmor Gang - 27AUG09
Daniel Chow, Aron Michalski, Mike Doeff and 2 other people liked this
OK, comments for todays "show of silence" belong here :)
- Rob La Gesse
better call "The Tech Guy"
- HansVanRock
none of that.
- Amyloo
it was a pofound session, one for the history books
- Eran Even-Kesef
Though there is no show yet, the real-time web is still allowing for conversation...kinda a case study unto itself
- Robert J Taylor
*** POST-SHOW UPDATE *** README *** If you're coming to this late and just starting to read through the thread, I'm updating this old comment a couple hours after the show was scheduled... The show didn't happen due to technical difficulties. You didn't miss anything. Well... you missed the conversation here on FF as we killed some time, but you didn't miss the show, per se. Stay tuned to the RealTime Network room for (re)scheduling updates.
- Ken Sheppardson
Question about the #gillmorgang tag: does this apply to Twitter, Friendfeed, or both?
- Raphael, Raphael
Re: the hashtag - anywhere social media is found - soon we'll pull in from about any feed.
- Rob La Gesse
Hans: oh yeah that would go over well, need to credit Francine @hardaway with saying "Call Leo" first :)
- David Stratton
thx
- Web Pixie
awkward pauses are part of the fun #gillmorgang
- Brian Hendrickson
Brian that's hilarious!
- Francine Hardaway
Embrace the silence
- Mike Doeff
this is simply the most fun we've ever had here on the #gillmorgang
- Brian Hendrickson
I'll let you all cover the hash tag thing; I'm quite inexperienced with it. As for the delay, it adds to the legend and the charm of the GG we already know and love.
- Aron Michalski
I hope nobody's surprised that the folks in the "RealTime Network" room are somewhat impatient, eh?
- Ken Sheppardson
is there any hope we'll see the rising of the phoenix before it's over or will we need to wait until next week?
- Marko
we're using this time to calibrate the bandwidth use ans scale the back end infrastructure to assess the potential for maximizing global and regional impact on a wide variety of social metrics.
- Rob La Gesse
KShep has a sense of humor
- Francine Hardaway
Dogs have given up and gone down for their naps:-)
- Francine Hardaway
You don't really have to use layman's terms with us... we're part of the advanced guarde...or something...
- Aron Michalski
Actually, we are looking for a lost 5 1/4 inch floppy that runs everything.
- Rob La Gesse
I'm playing the Calliflower hold music on a loop here just for old time's sake.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have the floppy here somewhere in a file. Or is it in Phoenix in a file? Just hang on, Rob, I will find it:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I'm home but usually I listen to the Lodgenet theme in order to feel like I'm in a poorly cleaned hotel room...
- Aron Michalski
This is more of Steve Gillmor's brilliant modern-day Dada, isn't it
- Kevin Marks
theme of the hour: http://blip.fm/~ceyw0 #gillmorgang
- Robert J Taylor
The absence of show is the show.
- Ken Sheppardson
lol ken. hum a few bars
- Amyloo
I think Steve is waiting for RSS to die before starting the show
- Michael Pinto
The data collected from the waiting for the show is more important than the lack of topic.
- Aron Michalski
Friendfeed frame is cumbersome. I know I can go directly to friendfeed in another window but. . .
- Matt Terenzio
looks like I'll have to leave work in the middle, at this point. I don't suppose you can stream usteam on the iphone?
- Amyloo
Matt - welcome! @Amyloo - there is a ustream iPhone app!
- Rob La Gesse
hmmmm! thx
- Amyloo
-amyloo There is an app for that. (really there is, go download uStream)
- Jerry Schuman
Glad to see I haven't missed anything Rob. Actually I take that back, but I'm glad to be here.
- Matt Terenzio
Steve - how about you just turn the cameras and mics on and let us watch you try to fix it? That might be fun in and of itself!
- Rob La Gesse
guess I'll bide my time with a round of "Launching Sheep"
- Jerry Schuman
maybe try resetting the PRAM cmd-opt-p-r wait for 2 long tones
- Brian Hendrickson
Is there some sort of scheduling window that closes at some point, or are we just sitting on the proverbial tarmac?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nice one Ken
- Matt Terenzio
The Tarmacians, that's us.
- Amyloo
If this was like VirginAmerica they'd start handing out free booze.
- Jerry Schuman
track [podcast][next] Gillmor Gang
- Matt Terenzio
i'm using this time to scan the building43 page searching for secret messages and shaking the screen 3 times to see if scoble pops up.
- michael sean wright
Ken - you are not allowed to leave the plane until the flight crew says you can. Sorry - we are out of food and beverages, and both bathrooms are fouled. Thanks for flying Gillmor Airlines.
- Rob La Gesse
bummer, my advance math and strategic lunch and meeting planning all so I could listen before driving home (EST) tossed out the window :( hope you allow these to be recorded this time around Steve
- David Stratton
In a few months we'd be able to pass the time poking each other.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I think this is an American Airlines flight out of DFW and we're stuck on the plane waiting for the T-storm to pass. :)
- Robert J Taylor
Virgin Air just announced that they're in the red...maybe good not to follow that model :)
- Karoli
Rob: lol
- David Stratton
so can someone in the know tease us and tell us who the guests will be?
- Michael Pinto
Karoli: does that mean fewer photos of parasailing with supermodels?
- Robert J Taylor
Earlier I heard Andrew Keen and Loren Feldman talking to each other about who could and couldn't hear each other.
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael - WE are the guests, and THIS is the show! We've been "Gillmor'd"
- Rob La Gesse
Gillmor Gang has always been a money-maker. . .for the listeners
- Matt Terenzio
Rob I would have dressed better if I knew I was a guest!
- Michael Pinto
Truly VRM
- Matt Terenzio
GRM - Gang Relationship Management
- Matt Terenzio
If we are the guests which one of us gets to yell screw you, and storm off?
- Aaron Dyer
Do those two cancel each other out? They may be out of phase with one another...
- Aron Michalski
Lately when I'm commenting on more chat-link threads like this I think I should create a different FriendFeed account specifically for this sort of conversation, distinct from the "normal" stuff. Whadya think, gang?
- Ken Sheppardson
Good to "see" you all again.
- Francine Hardaway
Good to see you francine!
- Michael Pinto
Let's feed Francine's bedroom in or something.. .
- Matt Terenzio
Ken - or have a checkbox for "chatting in thread, don't spam history, Twitter, FB, etc."
- Robert J Taylor
someone ping me when real time starts. back to work time for me.
- Karoli
Technical issues have us delayed. We'lllet you know when we relaunch via Twitter and here. Pleasestand by
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina let Steve know that we love the show, tech glitches and all and wouldn't have it any other way
- Michael Pinto
Tina - I won't let them go anywhere. I battened the hatches. :)
- Rob La Gesse
to me it kinda defeats the goal, the filters should handle that type of work on the receiving end
- David Stratton
Is the show still running? I can't find it, though I've found the building 43 page.
- Hilary Talbot
Yikes. I just passed through 8,000 comments a minute ago.
- Ken Sheppardson
8080 is a big one too Shep
- Matt Terenzio
Hilary: You haven't missed anything. They've had some technical difficulties that have delayed the show.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Hilary - the show hasn't started. We are waiting for de-icing, or something.
- Rob La Gesse
I would like to know if recordings will exist? so if I want I can drive home and catch the show later
- David Stratton
Oh, thanks Ken and Rob!
- Hilary Talbot
thank god for cabonite.. it just saved my budget spreadsheet - first time i have done a restore
- Aaron Dyer
Given that the realtime feed is an embed of a ustream broadcast, I'd sure think you'd be able to just watch the ustream video later.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think there is usually a re4cord of the show with Ustream, no Jerry?
- Matt Terenzio
Being stuck on the tarmac is better than circling in a holding pattern with the "fasten seat belts" sign on. That reminds me...I'll brb
- Robert J Taylor
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for Steve to come!
- Michael Pinto
hi hil! hi hil! hi hil! hi hil! hi hil! hi hil! hi hil! hi hil!
- Amyloo
I'm handing out virtual peanuts.
- Rob La Gesse
It amazes me that something as old as the shoe is still undergoing rapid innovation
- Matt Terenzio
I think ustream only lets publishers record and that is not automatic, they need to click it them make it available, my guess is many have learned and ready to record the bootlegs, but I would rather see an official copy, like many I don't always understand SG
- David Stratton
Matt if you think shoe innovation is interesting, you'd probably like that steam engine story from yesterday :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
oh shit. iphone ustream app needs wifi. no live for amy. see you all on the recorded side.
- Amyloo
Could we get Jason C to record the show and then distribute it without permission?
- Michael Pinto
Rob AWS trying to be more enterprise friendly, http://ff.im/7fZsF though I doubt I could have the SLA modification conversation with them
- David Stratton
Well Brian I just looked at a new pair of mine and they are typical leather loafers but the soles are Nike Air. Man.
- Matt Terenzio
it's just terribly charming how #gillmorgang features these technically inspired interludes
- Brian Hendrickson
David - they need to get more USER friendly first, I think.
- Rob La Gesse
I hear Nike's cost less than $5 to make and ship here the rest is marketing
- David Stratton
This would be great marketing except we are all die-hard listeners already
- Matt Terenzio
I think steve is just waiting until there are 100 comments in the thread - you know - to determine if there is enough interest.
- Rob La Gesse
Matt yes this would definitely be a great marketing idea
- Brian Hendrickson
Rob - I agree, not everyone wants to build their empire via API or 3rd party management tools
- David Stratton
@David - and most people like to call a human for help, in my experience.
- Rob La Gesse
Matt: think of it, if there wasn't a glitch we'd all be waiting for one to occur and not give full attention. Brilliant strategy!
- Robert J Taylor
:) The Rackspace Cloud is holding up well though!
- Rob La Gesse
If this was a movie theater we could use this time to buy popcorn and soda while watching trailers
- Michael Pinto
I saw a clip of the first episode of 60 minutes the other day - it was kinda like this, but with more static, and nobody else to keep you entertained :)
- Rob La Gesse
Rob, you're a pretty good tap dancer.
- Amyloo
I wish this window kept the most recent comments at the top, not the bottom. Hmmm
- Rob La Gesse
if this was a movie theater my popcorn would have been empty before the trailers even start
- HansVanRock
@Amy: you should have seen his dancing last night. He had a ball!
- Robert J Taylor
Rob: Are you looking at http://friendfeed.com/realtim... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey - a fire ant in your underpants will make ANYONE an "interesting" dancer! (Damn, that was painful!)
- Rob La Gesse
...in it's own window, that is
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - no - I am looking at the sidebar on building43.com/realtime
- Rob La Gesse
well, see you guys. with any luck for me, and absolutely no luck for you and steve and tina, I'll be home and not miss much.
- Amyloo
Ah... yeah, that's hard to follow. :-/ Not a function of building43, it's just that's an awkward embed widget, imho
- Ken Sheppardson
Yeah, I know - I embedded it. Will see if they can make a change for me though (well, will see if they can make a change for @scobleizer)
- Rob La Gesse
I wish there were a way to either predict or specify the "80de37d5" component of the item path, so one could programatically embed the individual item.
- Ken Sheppardson
agree, ken. I ran into that when I was trying to use FF for blog comments.
- Amyloo
hi Amy - good luck with the timing!
- Hilary Talbot
wow, Apple approves Spotify app
- David Stratton
You know, now that FriendFeed isn't independent, I'm going to openly say they were brilliant but left a lot of room for improvement. I'm pretty good at the web and I never figured out their @ system for instance. Was I supposed to read a manual for that?
- Matt Terenzio
when it's transcribed to papyrus, I'm in. Later my dear friends. "I'm out to lunch".
- Aron Michalski
Mashable says facebook 3.0 just got approval on the iphone http://mashable.com/2009...
- Aaron Dyer
OK, "wow, Apple approves Spotify app - " was the 100th comment - you can now start the show, Steve!
- Rob La Gesse
Perhaps Steve is waiting on Apple to approve the start of the show?
- Robert J Taylor
Maybe if we taunt Steve with comments that Pete Best was better than Ringo he'll come out and play?
- Michael Pinto
Someone mentioned that Ringo was always the happy Beatle - well, duh! He was stoked just to be in the group at all!
- Robert J Taylor
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Rob La Gesse
Rob - that's not Simon and Garfunkel, it's helmet head and frizzy top! Yoiks!
- Robert J Taylor
Ringo was well known in England before the Beatles broke
- Matt Terenzio
And he's better than most think (Ringo)
- Matt Terenzio
Steve is more like Bob Dylan than Beatles. It's all about the vast library rather than individual masterpieces.
- Matt Terenzio
Right - steve isn't a perfectionist - he is a practitioner.
- Rob La Gesse
And some Bob Dylan sucks
- Matt Terenzio
"Hello darkness, my old friend..." #gillmorgang #soundsofsilenceepisode
- Robert J Taylor
Can we "paint this masterpiece" already
- Matt Terenzio
"my words like silent raindrops fell..." as usual.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
"people hearing without listening..." welcome to my world. :)
- Karoli
"the streets of cobblestone"
- Matt Terenzio
By the time Steve got to Woodstock, we were half in the bag
- Matt Terenzio
It's like rain on your wedding day, it's 10,000 knives when you needed was a spoon
- Michael Pinto
Steve had a run in with the Hell's Angels up in Woodstock from what I remember
- Matt Terenzio
If Steve can remember woodstock then he wasn't really there
- Michael Pinto
I don't think Steve meant Woodstock the concert, but the town
- Matt Terenzio
I always assumed that story was "from back in the day" I don't recall him attaching a location except to say that it was at a bar or something
- Michael Pinto
I keep going away and coming back, and nothing's changed. This is truly the still point in the turning world.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine I was going to request a video of the dogs if steven can't make it!
- Michael Pinto
I could be wrong Michael. Maybe we can clarify that on the next Gillmor Gang
- Matt Terenzio
Great plug for the next show, Matt. Thanks! ;)
- Robert J Taylor
Matt he always tells that story in passing, it's never the focus of the conversation I notice
- Michael Pinto
Perhaps he doesn't remember the entire story? :)
- Rob La Gesse
No it's always meant to make a broader point, funny
- Matt Terenzio
well I was done with work 83 minutes ago, time to drive home. I know Steve will start soon as I unplug my network :) see you on the other side
- David Stratton
I wish Twitter had an edit button like Friendfeed, but would that be good for preserving News as it is formed along a stream?
- Matt Terenzio
We do't want people editing what was once the news
- Matt Terenzio
Matt - it would be good for making me look less ignorant! Maybe edit for 30 seconds or something?
- Rob La Gesse
I rarely edit my comments
- Robert J Taylor
Yes, Rob that is what I was thinking
- Matt Terenzio
OK, David's gone, Steve. You can start now.
- Ken Sheppardson
Perhaps Steve is waiting for ALL of us to leave? Tricky guy, that Gillmor!
- Rob La Gesse
It's like an auction that doesn't end until it goes X minutes without a bid....
- Ken Sheppardson
It's actually serious stuff. I give my reporters the ability to edit stories online but I implore them to indicate changes other than typos and such
- Matt Terenzio
The show starts when we quit talking about it. Shhh...
- Ken Sheppardson
We don't want news people (which is everybody) to edit history, right?
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: first it's typos, then, before you know it, your reporters are working for the Ministry of Truth (minitrue)...
- Robert J Taylor
Matt - I have some history I would LOVE to edit!
- Rob La Gesse
Too bad we don't have RSS anymore so readers can just capture a snapshot of the original version...
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh yea - Steve - RSS is dead, you can start the show!
- Rob La Gesse
I wish you could edit this piece of history, Rob: http://twitter.com/kr8tr... ... #TMI!
- Robert J Taylor
2 hours. starting to doubt this is gonna happen.
- Raphael, Raphael
Raphael: THIS is the show today :)
- Robert J Taylor
OK everyone - just talked to Steve. He wants you to know that the comment thread has kept the spirits up as he has been pulling out the rest of his hair - but for today we are pulling the show. Still some bugs to work out, but we know what they are. We'll leave this page and chat open, so feel free to pile on more lyrics or anecdotes!
- Rob La Gesse
ha, "comment threat"
- Raphael, Raphael
I have enjoyed moving in and out of the real time comment stream here. Steve always used to jump on me about trying to fill the silent spots on NGL. Now I know what he means. :) Hugs, Steve!
- Karoli
why not just drag steve into this friend feed room? we're here for the man not the video!
- Michael Pinto
He's still debugging
- Rob La Gesse
I'm glad Rob wasn't streaming during his debugging episode last night.
- Robert J Taylor
oh well! give my best to steve : )
- Michael Pinto
zzzzzZZZZZZZZZ (past midnight here)
- HansVanRock
Bummer but now I might be able to make the first show.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It was all a ploy just so Robert could make the show... that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
- Jerry Schuman
Wait! Am I late? Did I miss anything?
- Frank Paynter
Love you, Steve and Tina. Have a drink on me:-)
- Francine Hardaway
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Matt Terenzio
So did this show get recorded, or what? Link anyone? One of my best friends is a real-timer, but I swear, if "they" just keep assuming that I don't need time-shifting when I need it, well. There's just something wrong with that. EDIT: Wow, I had to do way too much reading to figure out that nothing actually happened today. Guess I'll stay tuned.
- Kurtiss Hare
Live now: This Week in Google with Jeff Jarvis and Gina Trapani. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
Daniel Rowley, Frank Watson, Mitch Featherston and 34 other people liked this
i found it. thanks irc's
- echostreamer
I second my post from earlier: Topic to speculate about in TWIG: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- David Schmidt
Msoft wanted to go to all online subscription based software (that was the point of .NET) now that google has taken that path by storm, Msoft is now the choice if you want a hard copy of your software and local save. Ironic?
- echostreamer
is yahoo.com just a microsoft bing shell now, or r they still independent?
- echostreamer
Still independent, for now.
- Zachary TG
Twitter was centralized, nearly everyone else was not.
- Colin
Twitter will learn from the experience. Luckily it did not happen during the iran elections or other disasters.
- Bill Rodman
wave scares me even more than igoogle. wave = hal from 2001 space
- echostreamer
DDoS - sounds like a great name for a rock band !
- John Hillestad
FYI Leo @ Co Google just bought the company who made the Ogg Theora codec and has since made better ones (some suspect to allow that to be un-encumbered for HTML 5)
- Patrick Sullivan
everyone is for net neutrality as long as they own/control the platform/ architecture
- echostreamer
Does anyone have a link for that iPhone streaming video site?
- Aaron Dyer
I found http://iphone.akamai.com/
- Bill Rodman
with twitter, news site (NYTimes.com) are as archaic as physical paper was yesterday.
- echostreamer
i dont hear about news at work until 2-3 days after i saw it on twitter. cable+news=fail
- echostreamer
Yeah the MyTouch hit on tuesday. Supposedly Samsung has the i7500/Galaxy coming out (also on tMobile) in either Sept or October though I don't remember which.
- Patrick Sullivan
http://youtube.com/html5 - wow!
- Leo Laporte
my firefox 3.5.2 wont play that html5 utube, but some1(in irc) just said it works. must be something else for me?
- echostreamer
I can't get that to work in anything now. TWiT effect?
- Mike Lewis
a wish list for Google could be very cool!
- Joey
hi listing and watching from georgia the buffering prossses is jerkey on the mack 2 day
- daveccorey
please show TWIF & security now reruns
- echostreamer
bufferings better now on the leo show thax
- daveccorey
First I have to get an alternate to see Leo, then my satellite dish goes out due to weather; one of those days, I guess. Leo's show probably got popular fast due to the twitter, facebook outages. I think we need duplication of these services, and maybe go back and forth between FriendFeed and twitter as necessary when one goes out due to attack. Not just for competitive reasons.
- heretic_twit
hi from ga
- daveccorey
Gina: sorry, the problem with what you're asking for (having TweetDeck cache Tweets and push them to others while Twitter is down) is that Twitter's Firehose Feed' agreement forbids doing just that. Great show, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
i was wondering why it wasent working
- daveccorey
twitter still down at least on my computer. Or down again one or the other...
- James Hampsten
hi from georgia my twiters still down 4 a worlds record longest time
- daveccorey
and its tues i still have no twitter in georgia
- daveccorey
Leo thanks for starting this great show. Gina is great.
- Mark Nelson
Just listening to Gina talk about distributed Twitter, I can't help but think if we'd all just adopt Simple Microblogging Transport Protocol, we'd all be OK... http://www.kensheppardson.com/2008...
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo, you should update the Google calendar for TWIG.
- David Schmidt
Thanks for the reminder David. Starting Saturday, we record TWig at 2:15p Pacific/5:15p Eastern
- Leo Laporte
please update the calendar
- Luís Miguel Braga
Luis, it has been updated
- Chris Heath
Live now: This Week in Google with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and Anil Dash. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
Hunt, Eric Geller, Phillip Stewart and 22 other people liked this
leading with the fb./ff story. what a great round-table.
- michael sean wright
I hope they keep FF separate from FB
- Mac64
Wow, now I know how Gina Trapani looks like! \o,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
being a complete noob, can someone remind me how i can view this item in a pop out window? Thanks!
- Aaron Dyer
Jeff referenced the Kevin Marks blog post on 'How Twitter Works' - http://epeus.blogspot.com/2009...
- michael sean wright
aaron - on the http://live.twit.tv page you should see a button that says open video in popout window - it's centered on the bottom of the video window (kind of hard to see)
- michael sean wright
Aaron: twice click the timestamp...
- David Schmidt
oh sorry Michael i meant the FF room.. Thanks David
- Aaron Dyer
Live search makes FF great
- Mac64
FriendFeed was way too cheap. They should have sold for more...
- David Schmidt
But then I guess it's a sign how much the FF staff loved the idea to get together with FB.
- David Schmidt
i just hope that FF doesn't get flooded by all my 'normal' facebook friends :)
- Aaron Dyer
I second that, Aaron.
- David Schmidt
something tells me that FB wont exactly leave FF guys to their own devices however :(
- Aaron Dyer
time to move to streamy? http://www.streamy.com/
- Aaron Dyer
I use RSS still more than 50% of all media.
- David Schmidt
I have my own RSS feeds to get stuff from pages, which don't support RSS. Dunno what tech could do that instead.
- David Schmidt
Yep, Wave would be the solution. Modification, customization, and that stays in the same footprint.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
pubsubhub!
- michael sean wright
I need a wave invite first! also so do all of my 'friends'
- Aaron Dyer
Still not sure if real time all alone would fit me. Too scared to miss sth.
- David Schmidt
@Aaron Dyer, yeah, as soon as its start is public, we'll have that slow conversion. Hope the Federation protocol does its thing.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
hello russia now that was awesome
- Aaron Dyer
although it would serve only to confirm that no one reads my stuff ha!
- Aaron Dyer
just tuned in. loving the conversation i.e. "a blog post is an asset" been thinking alot about that lately and how most of my content is been more and more on someone else's social app. would love to have a distributed wordpress/blogger/etc social platform. maybe google connect has potential?
- Zeb Palmer
Google's index seams to be getting much nearer to being in real-time - this post is already in the results. http://bit.ly/D0Lai
- tw1
I think they just observe a few important sites like FB, FF, Twitter and so on more often. To index the whole web in that fashion might be just not possible with today's tools.
- David Schmidt
I really like this show guys! Really good.
- Devon Govett
I Wonder with all the use of social sites and rss readers.. do we really use google as much?
- Aaron Dyer
Aaron, I still use google for search, quite a bit, and although I haven't been using GReader all that much lately, I plan to move all the twitter feeds I follow into it for archival search
- Cornelius Toole
I'm sorry! How do you find FF difficult to use?
- MarK
thats a great idea Cornelius, i think you've just found me my Sunday project
- Aaron Dyer
I think there was a Lifehacker article on that topic, Aaron, Cornelius. Update: Found it here: http://lifehacker.com/5337796...
- David Schmidt
Beat me to it David, yeah that's what I planning to do, now if I can do that with all the tumblelogs I follow, now +200
- Cornelius Toole
I need to get better at sharing, i just skim and star stuff i really want to read later
- Aaron Dyer
i love that feature ! if i miss a day i am gonna already behind by +1000 items
- Aaron Dyer
email still feels like a more direct in your face connection twitter is like standing in a support group i guess jeff
- Aaron Dyer
email is my voice mail....deal with it when i have time connection
- Mac64
I'm glad I'm the only one who can figure out sharing / starring / likeing in google reader http://seanreiser.com/content...
- Bastard Operator From FF
I let go of being bothered by having +1000 items in several of my feeds a long time ago. I have too many feeds to clear them out everyday(and it not be my job). I hope I can use the google search infrastructure to find relevant stuff in the pile and every now again I just skim the most recent stuff.
- Cornelius Toole
I'd love to see a feature in GReader which recommends blogs according to a single blog I'm subscribed to, much like Amazon's "what people also buy" feature.
- David Schmidt
Seconded, David
- Aaron Dyer
I mean there are recommendations in "Browse for stuff", but they are way to general...
- David Schmidt
wow, guess i know what my next career move will be huh? :)
- Aaron Dyer
its the 80 20 time thing
- Aaron Dyer
Leo, this is TWIG not TWIA.
- David Schmidt
we all need a gina
- Aaron Dyer
they have to redo the iphone web interface too !
- Aaron Dyer
Just sign up the at Goog Voice site leo. You'll get an invite a day or two later.
- Adi
Leo, these are all problems of early adopters. Talk in a year about it, all done.
- David Schmidt
great show, great comments in the FF room too, later guys
- Aaron Dyer
Try Feedly! Great way to interact with Google Reader.
- invariant - farewell FF
great show guys!
- Devon Govett
Yeah great panel and show.
- Adi
Love it. Thx all...
- David Schmidt
leo you should get dave winer on soon too to talk about the rss cloud thing
- Aaron Dyer
I would like to see Matt Cutts talk about Google SEO
- Mac64
Still vote for Paul Buchheit or Bret Taylor.
- David Schmidt
Paul was invited - we'll get him on when the smoke clears. I think maybe Kevin Marks for next week?
- Leo Laporte
Bring in TWIT regulars too. Thurrott and Norton come to mind since they use and extoll Google/cloud services.
- Adi
Well I tried Gina's tip re keyboard shortcuts and my google searches in FFox 3.5.2 are still not showing the pointers
- Greg
Disagree! I read all my Tweets from where I left off last time I checked.
- Manuel Mas
hi from georgia the buffearing stream isnt working well to day 4 some weard reason
- daveccorey
its better now thax
- daveccorey
When is TWIG? Preferably GMT
- Scott
Live now: This Week in Google with Gina Trapani and Jeff Jarvis. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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Loving the show so far Leo!
- Eric Geller
Everyone's seen the FCC letters to Apple, Google, and AT&T, right?
- Jason Miller
This week in Google? - Is this a new show... did I miss an announcement?
- Roy Herrod
Wouldn't we ALL like to see answers to those letters? I would. They're asking all the questions many of us have been asking outside of the GV Mobile app situation.
- Jason Miller
AT&T has blcoked Skype and Google Voice on My BB Bold without using cell minutes.
- earl wallace
@Roy: This is the first show...
- Jude
is it just me or is jeff's audio bandwidth bad?
- Aaron Dyer
@Aaron It's not just you.
- Craig B.
i think i might get a G2 .. looks good
- Aaron Dyer
Jude, ahh that explains it! Unfortunately I can't listen now so will have to download it tomorrow, looking forward to it!
- Roy Herrod
Speaking of open alternatives, I'm sitting here right now with a Linux command prompt on my Palm Pre, installing "homebrew" applications and messing with the UI...
- Ken Sheppardson
ken, whats the battery life like on your pre?
- Aaron Dyer
Aaron: It's not that great... I can easily kill it in a day if I'm using the radios heavily, but I have to say the Touchstone completely changes the way I think about battery life and charging the device: every time I take it out of my pocket and set it down on the desk next to me, it's charging.
- Ken Sheppardson
Here's the first cut at a Google Voice app for the Pre - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
Question on GV Mobile - I managed to grab the app in the US before Apple pulled it. But I couldn't get it to work while I was in Vancouver, BC. Is the GV Mobile app total dead weight on my iPhone?
- Jason Miller
i mean i love my iphone 3g but i like the look of both the pre and the g2 very tempting
- Aaron Dyer
Jason: I believe GV Mobile will still work. Your issue was probably due to the US-only nature of Google Voice.
- Eric Geller
off topic question anyone know of any msi wind friendly linux distros for a browser only experience? want to move to cloud only on my netbook
- Aaron Dyer
Eric Geller - Good point. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks.
- Jason Miller
No problem.
- Eric Geller
Aaron: If I weren't as happy as a clam with Windows 7 on my Dell Mini 10, I'd be running Ubuntu Netbook Remix - http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbun...
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks ken
- Aaron Dyer
I moved to Google Apps because of the "on behalf of" issue. Apps has always been a second class citizen, never fully integrated with Reader, Voice, etc. I'm literally right this moment using imapsync to move back off Apps to plain old Gmail now that they've "fixed" the problem.
- Ken Sheppardson
There's also the sort of fundamental philosophical conflict where Gmail feels there's no legitimate reason why we'd ever have to sort by a field. Bugs me, but I live with it. Sigh.
- Ken Sheppardson
"You can set up different automated messages for different keywords, just like you said you wanted. (We're friends, so I trust you to use this power responsibly.)"
- Ken Sheppardson
"Gmail already lets you create filters based on a combination of keywords, sender, recipients, and more in your incoming messages. Turn on Canned Responses in Labs, and you can set a filter to grab one of your saved responses, create an automated reply, and hit the Send button for you."
- Ken Sheppardson
Loving this new show! WHen will it be posted to Podcast?
- Jeff Vreeland
i say have employees
- Aaron Dyer
depends on what you ask them
- Jörg Reinhardt
fantastic 1st show! love the relaxed style
- Aaron Dyer
I say start out with ex employees and work your way up (e.g. Kevin Marks) ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
office 2010 = also ran
- Aaron Dyer
if this is about cloud computing then we need to also talk about Live, Mesh and Azure
- Mike Aikins
We should ask when will the GDRIVE ever appear....would love a virtual drive capability
- Mike Aikins
the whole desktop/filetype/program analogie sucks, kept evolvement of Computers 15 Jears back die M$
- Jörg Reinhardt
Yeah, but "This Week in the Cloud" doesn't abbreviate all that well.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Mike Aikins there is a linux fuse driver that lets you mount gmail as a filesystem... quite slow I might add
- Jörg Reinhardt
Leo: when I get Google Wave invites, you'll be the first on my list.
- Eric Geller
eric can i be 2nd? :)
- Aaron Dyer
I got my Wave sandbox invitation on Thursday... which means they invited me to fill out yet another form and wait a few days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yep I know about that but I must say that MESH works fantasically well as someone who movs between 4 - 5 separate computers
- Mike Aikins
No account yet.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I got that email and minutes after I submitted it I had my account.
- Eric Geller
No Wave invite yet...but then again perhaps my Haiku was not very good...:-)
- Mike Aikins
Aaron: I have a long list already (see here: http://friendfeed.com/welovea... ) but I just have to put Leo at the top because of all he's done for me.
- Eric Geller
@mike I heard they weren't passing out invites until Sept 30
- Craig B.
on problem eric wow man thats quite the list
- Aaron Dyer
Hmm. I wonder if my info got lost in the mail or something...
- Ken Sheppardson
Anil was on with Dave Winer and Marshall Kirkpatrick the other day talking about this - http://badhair.us/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
Dave's RSS-centric equivalent is rssCloud
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey leo you should do a TWIT Wave when it come out
- Richard Thomson
This is going to be a great show, Leo. Thanks for organizing this, picking two phenomenal co-hosts, and devoting your time to it.
- Eric Geller
This Week in Google FriendFeed room - http://friendfeed.com/twit-tw...
- Eric Geller
It came across as "This Week We Say How Much We Love Google" which is not really interesting. For example Google Wave is *interesting* but barely usable (dies 1-in-3 times) - pre-alpha really; that's not going to take over the news.
- Dave Beckett
Love this new show!
- Devon Govett
great show, great job all three of you! Keep it up!
- Dakota O'Neill
Leo needs a borg interface
- min
Awesome show! Looking forward to the next one
- Chris
Dave Beckett: Google Wave is, as you said, pre-alpha. They love it for what it will be, not for what it is now.
- Eric Geller
Leo We Want a TWIT Wave when it come out
- Richard Thomson
Leocutus
- min
Richard: what are you talking about?
- Eric Geller
Eric: Think he talks about Google Wave
- Chris
I know what he's talking about in terms of the product (Wave), but what is a TWiT Wave? A TWiT show about Wave or a Wave stream about TWiT?
- Eric Geller
The latter, Eric
- Ken Sheppardson
Okay, that's gonna be tough because of how fleeting I imagine Wave streams to be. It seems to me that you make them when you need them. They don't have the permanence of a FF room.
- Eric Geller
Coached in how to say what they want to say, independent of what you ask them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo: Talk at some point about Google's 20% time (I think that's the stat) and how that inspires cool stuff.
- Eric Geller
Gina, Jeff & Leo: way to go! Get Ballmer (puppet) on the next show ;-) http://www.1938media.com/forum...
- HansVanRock
Leo: excellent suggestion from the chat, which is to get holograms. If you want to be the CNN of tech, you will need holograms.
- Eric Geller
Leo, for intro music, just have 20-30 seconds of silence and call it "The sound of clouds."
- Eric Geller
Leo: is that going to be the music for TWIG? Its god awful.
- Bryan Lee
It's nice enough music. If you're a 14th century monk.
- Ken Sheppardson
"Bandwidth for This Week in Google is provided by Google. Because there's no conflict of interest there!"
- Eric Geller
Ken: How could you be so insensitive to 14th century monks?
- Eric Geller
Leo: You just said this week in geek.
- Bryan Lee
Yes Bryan, that was the original name for TWiT.
- Eric Geller
I like This Week in Geek. Can I use it?
- Bryan Lee
Leo: If you want good classical music, get Paulywood to make you some. Can't he do everything?
- Eric Geller
How about Spring from the 4 seasons by Vivaldi
- Sebastian Bender
When I hear the classical music I feel like we are listening to NPR.
- Bryan Lee
Leo: I just found your intro music! A Michael Jackson parody called "Just Google." http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Eric Geller
Flute sucks... no wait, it actually doesn't
- Jörg Reinhardt
Aww, well it was worth a shot.
- Eric Geller
How about Chariots of Fire by Vangelis? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Sebastian Bender
I like this one from RoyaltyFreeMusic http://www.royaltyfreemusic.com/music-s...
- Bryan Lee
Leo: Royalty free Planets - http://www.shockwave-sound.com/Royalty...
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo: Where does the opening theme to TWiT come from? I know the closing (Doing the TWiT) is Ashley Witt but I've always wondered about the intro.
- Eric Geller
Great show. I'm really looking forward to this becoming a regular show.
- Mike Lewis
Another good classical one from RoyaltyFreeMusic http://www.royaltyfreemusic.com/music-s...
- Bryan Lee
Tapas at 11pm Underscore 2
- Don Bonaddio
Is the going to be podcast? I did not get to see it all. I was helping a client. And I will probably miss tonight's rebroadcast. Is it going to be a download?
- MarK
MarK: Leo said it will definitely be a podcast. And he recorded an intro with today's date, so I bet you'll get it soon.
- Eric Geller
Heres a good one, http://www.productiontrax.com/trackpa...
- Sebastian Bender
great thanks eric
- MarK
No problem.
- Eric Geller
of the ones so far, that last gets my vote.
- Brad
Indeed. THAT is Google if I've ever heard it.
- Eric Geller
This is the show I've been looking for and of course it's by my hero Leo.
- MarK
Maybe some Yan Hammer rockin the keetar.
- Ken Sheppardson
I hope kiwinerd is grabbing this, totally missed it.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Argh! I missed it and cannot find the link to download the podcast. I have been looking forward to this podcast since it was announced.
- David Imielski
David: It's not up yet as a podcast.
- Eric Geller
will this be up as a podcast later - ok read the rest of the comments :)
- Richard
Eric Geller - Thanks for the link
- Mitch
Just listened to this. Interesting and fun first episode, but Jeff's audio sounded like crap.
- Steve
FriendFeed on a Saturday afternoon isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang.
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Do your own on TinyChat
- Chris Saad
Really?
- Jim Connolly
Scoble Gang
- Mark
You really should go back to doing it audio only, easier and better.
- Mason Lee
Yeah - what about a 'Scoble's gang?' You know everyone worth talking to.
- Jim Connolly
But yeah, I agree-- I miss that podcast, especially when it went somewhat deeper into things like "track" and the future of communications
- Mason Lee
Scoble's Gang reporting sir!
- Özgür D. Cyric
I'll get the Scoble Snacks! (Sorry, someone had to.)
- Darren Landrum
Darren: Loved that! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Heh. Thanks everyone! Gives me something to think about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll help you folks out. Steve: "If we can just get track back, then the gesture economy will finally take hold" Arrington: "Mufflers again, let's talk sports cars." Doc: "Is VRM a muffler or sports car?" Jason: "This show was sponsored by Building 43." Scoble: "Heehee."
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: add some drama and that is pretty close.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow. Only a little? Can't wait for Scoble Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: I can't wait either but I already have Scoble Gang. It is called FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought we were a mob... now i'm confused
- Chris Heath
HAHAhahahaha yea! =] It's called FF!
- Özgür D. Cyric
C'mon Robert. The yearning mob awaits
- Steve Gillmor
Chris: gang, mob, what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but steve, the mob awaits you too!
- Chris Heath
semantics
- Chris Heath
and spelling
- Chris Heath
the mob can [redacted] itself
- Steve Gillmor
that's funny steve, cuz i just [redacted] myself moments ago... and plan to [redact] later tonight as well :-P
- Chris Heath
may cause blindness
- Steve Gillmor
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mob
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed is a gateway drug to Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"can't we all just get along?"
- Chris Heath
I've listened to several back episodes of Gillmor Gang over the last few days. They were surprisingly good. Steve comes across as cranky, yes, but underneath he is usually making valid points.
- Laura Norvig
I miss Gilmore Gang :(
- Robert Burgin
I agree Laura, and I also miss the GG
- Chris Heath
How far back did you go Laura?
- Chris Heath
Agree with Laura, I miss the gang, steve tells it like he sees it and doesn't just jump onto the newest thing just because its new .. Bring back the Gang !
- Aaron Dyer
Best part of GG were the inevitable meltdowns every few weeks
- Mark
Give the order Scoble Sir! I'll have their... well... keyboards!! :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Sometimes meltdowns need to happen to re-focus us all, strong and differing opinions are a GOOD thing
- Aaron Dyer
GG reminded me of an open mic night where everyone ends up playing 12-bar blues.... but sometimes you get a jazz guy in there that mixes things up a bit.
- Jay Cuthrell
Chris, I listened to 3 episodes from March. I'm just going through all the ones that happen to be on my iPod that I never had a chance to listen to.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble -- Do it. The Scoble Mob.
- Dave Winer
"The Scoble Mob(ile)" would make a neat logo and imply the disjointed and anywhere anytime nature of the "mob"
- Jay Cuthrell
The Gillmor Gang was the best show on the internet in my opinion. I miss it tremendously. Scoble Gang wouldn't be the same even though he still could make a good show. You need Steve at the helm to set the tone.
- Wo
so wheres the link to "The Scoble Mob"? Who's going to be on today?
- BryanSchuetz
I'm sure Leo would let you put it on the TWIT Robert
- BryanSchuetz
Yeah I agree GG was great, and I miss it alot. Scoble is great and was great addition to the gang. But not many can do what Steve did so well. Cut into the bone of the conversation with just one "cranky" rant. I'm pretty sure I would subscribe to a scobleshow also though. I wasn't fond of the change over to Twit, it kinda changed the dynamics of the show. Nothing bad about Leo, the show just wasn't the same with him co holding the reins.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I for one, would love to see Leo [redacted] arrington in the mouth with his mighty "mob", over and over again
- Michael Thomas
Indeed, bring back The Gang...
- Richard Eckel
In a few days I think Arrington is going to announce he worked with twitter and the police to track the hacker down.
- Mark
Steve's a sweet teddybear with strong opinions...just not a great fit on TWiT. I'm sure a new iteration will appear when the time is right.
- Web Pixie
I guess nature does not abhor a vacuum.
- Jim Posner
FriendFeed on a Sunday morning, very early, so early in fact my ass is still in bed and not listening to a podcast isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang :P
- Johnny Worthington
What does Gillmor do for a day job? I mean, he posts maybe 1 article a week, a couple of tweets. What does he *do* ?
- Mark
He comes up with ideas for the schmuck with the puppets
- Dave Winer
Hahaha
- Mark
lol
- Aaron Thorn
I wonder sometimes how Tech people make their living. I mean, your financial past Dave is known (you made some nice bucks back in the day), Leo Laporte has his network, Scoble has his paying gigs with rackspace, but the likes of Feldman and Gillmor and a bunch of others make me wonder what pays the bills!
- Mark
Heck, Shel Isreal has a new book coming out! baby needs a new pair of shoes
- Mark
Mark: Steve Gillmor's RealTIme Crunchup had 500 people at it. You don't think he figured out how to get paid for that? And why do you need to get paid to talk on the Internet? I did this before I got paid for it. I'm just very fortunate to have found a way to do it all the time.
- Robert Scoble
anybody know how blocking works on friendfeed? Is it bidirectional or does it merely silence the idiots?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: if you block someone you no longer can see their stuff and they can no longer see your stuff. The rest of us are unaffected.
- Robert Scoble
600, Robert.
- Steve Gillmor
Actually, that's not completely true, because the folks you block can't see you anymore they can't comment on your stuff, so we'll notice that over time your items have fewer and fewer idiots commenting on them. That will increase your personal brand. On the other hand, if you block someone who has a lot of engagement (an idiot like me, for instance) then you'll see the artifacts of their interactions with other people.
- Robert Scoble
... I do miss it as well.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I'm sure that if you did a Gillmor Gang, you would all say that Chrome OS is in fact Android 2.0 and it's going to kill Microsoft, Intel and Apple.
- Charbax
Charbax: whenever a blogger says something kills something else that just means it's more interesting than something else. Nothing more. So, if that's true, you'd be right.
- Robert Scoble
ok, but isn't new tech supposed to sometimes really cannibalize established tech. If Google OS powers $100 laptops with ARM processors all of a sudden, then who's going to buy Windows/OSX stuff anymore. And how can the old Silicon Valley giants then still make money.
- Charbax
Charbax: it's pretty rare that new stuff actually "kills" old stuff and when it does it takes years to happen. Heck, the Web has been killing AOL now for about a decade and AOL still is around. I don't think Google Chrome will get me to stop buying OSX or Windows but it could change my behavior and that is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
All major laptop OEMs showed 50 sub-$200 ARM netbook designs at Computex last month, I filmed them all http://techvideoblog.com/... (my Computex videos were on Engadget a dozen times in that week). I think Chrome OS is actually just Google optimizing the browser for all these new cheaper embedded Linux laptops.
- Charbax
scoble's definition may work for him, but when I say something's dead, it has a specific meaning -- and it's not that is no longer interesting. RSS has always been and continues to be interesting. But it's still dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Charbax: right. Hi Steve. Someday I'll get the Gillmor translation guide figured all out.
- Robert Scoble
I miss the Gillmor Gang! The industry is very dull without it...
- Michael Pinto
start with Saturday Night Live first 2 seasons
- Steve Gillmor
Keep Arrington away and it'll be fine. He killed The Gillmor Gang. Office is dead. Now The Gillmor Gang is dead. "Well now everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back" haha I make myself laugh, that's what's really important here.
- Diego Barros
Diego: I figure Gillmor Gang will come back right around the same time we stop talking about it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, Arrington's a tool and the perfect foil on Gillmor Gang. Renew it, intact. Saturdays on FF, TC & Twitter are a bore now...
- Thom Kennon
Robert: I'm sure it will, and I think we are all sure it will come back. Just need the dust to settle. Maybe the Gang needs a new home away from TechCrunch (or it may stay there). But yes, it will be back, Steve can't stay away. Oh and BTW, I love Steve's work. That's why I'm here talking about it.
- Diego Barros
They will be back Just will take time
- Aaron Thorn
Thom: You think he's the tool every show needs?
- Diego Barros
That's worth elaborating. Respectively, I hear the same broad sweeping, provocative statements that don't include anything in support of that statement as to why. I understand it's the only way to make a point effectively in a short window of time but I've heard too many people say "RSS is Dead" without much to support that claim/point of view. It's like someone trying to drive fashion.
- Benjamin Taylor
The iphone represents less than 1% of the global mobile phone market, yet Apple amasses $20 Billion treasury, so I guess you are right. it'll probably take them at least a few years to burn up all that money unless they quickly fire most of their 85 thousand employees.
- Charbax
Diego, yep. It keeps things interesting and makes the less toolish look (and act) more brill.
- Thom Kennon
Is there any way to listen to the old shows?
- Robert D'Alesio
RSS is Dead. RSS is live. RSS lives.
- Matt Terenzio
It's alive. Alive!
- Matt Terenzio
Like others have said, definitely miss it. My podcast lineup's not the same with iTunes showing my GG feed broken.
- Micah Wittman
I second the motion to set up the Scoble Mob!
- Adrian Scicluna
I agree
- Robert Burgin
i want GillmorGang back in real-time
- HansVanRock
I haven't looked at Netbooks lately. Is the Asus 1000HE still the best for under $400? Which is the best to run OSX on? Answer on FriendFeed
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Yeah, the Asus 1000HE still gives best bang for your buck. That, and it can run games decently.
- Sam Goldfield
Robert, you should wait for next lineups which include Nvidia Tegra and ION chipsets that run 1080P videos smoothly. Otherwise, Asus 1000HE is definitely one of the best nowadays, specially in terms of battery life.
- Nir Ben Yona
I love OS X on my MSI Wind, plus the battery options are very nice to have in a netbook.
- Aaron Dyer
1000HE works fine for me---thrilled about battery life, but haven't moved to OS X on it. You *know* if you buy something, something better is announced the next day...
- elspmdi
Nir: when are those coming?
- Robert Scoble
I have the MSI Wind and am very happy with it.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I'm waiting for the Asus 1005HA (out this week) - the fully loaded version. I believe the Dell Mini is still the easiest for running OSX tho
- Andy Sternberg
from fftogo
I was personally looking at the HP Mini (fully loaded, bluetooth, the works), and Newegg is having a sale for $329.00?
- Sam Ferry
depends. some people hate the msi wind. i got it because at the time it was one of the *only* ones that you could overclock. some people get other kinds for the keyboard size but does not have the overclock feature. my msi wind runs the default xp, windows 7, and os x. i have unbuntu on usb and backtrack 4 on sdhc. it's a great little machine for the price with great battery life. it...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
one of the better compatibility charts floating around regarding OSX and Netbooks. http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008...
- Jerry Schuman
been using the Acer Aspire One 531 for a while now, the inbuilt 3G module makes it very interesting but today switched to the Samsung N110,what a machine, running windows 7 ultimate is the only way to go
- Patphelan
Robert, the new Lenovo IdeaPad S12 with ION chipset is already up for pre-order and scheduled for shipment on July http://bit.ly/kXgMw. Other netbooks with Tegra chipsets are expected to make a debut on Q4.
- Nir Ben Yona
What is the benefit of a Netbook over, say a 13-inch MacBook or an iphone?
- Curt Mercadante
the boing boing link jerry gave shows the msi wind works well with it. however, there's a hack for the audio i/o -albeit not very elegant but they are working on it and it's getting there.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Curt: price over Macbook. Screen resolution and flexibility over iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
You can put OSX on the 1000HE? I'm posting this with a 1000HE, and I must say I really love the device.
- Robert James Massey
Curt, I was considering the MacBook Air and asked Robert for alternatives. Have iPhone. Want keyboard, practical screen and multi-tasking.
- Conor Ogle
curt, a netbook isn't for everybody. i have an iphone, netbook, and macbook pro. you take your netbook when you need to travel on the go but don't want to lug around your primary 3+ grand laptop, risking theft or damage. it has a bigger screen and capabilities than the iphone. they are supposed to complement your existing computing experience -not necessarily replace anything.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
The Dell Mini 9 is supposed to be the most Hackintoshable netbook.
- nick
tbh I've never been a fan of the atom processor. It made no sense in buying the equivalent of a 5yr old centrino. A beefed up battery on a centrino benchmarks the same as a netbook. However as others have suggested the ION chipset is the way to go if you want to offload DXVA videos on to it.
- Shaf
Ive had the HP Mini 1000, The Acer Aspire one, and the 1000HE. The 1000HE is hands down the leader.
- Kyle Nas
shaf, it would be interesting to see what happens when the dual core atoms come out in q4 and how they will stand in regards to the ion. will they integrate the ion some how, or will they compete? the tech is getting better.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Use my 1000HE now as I write this and I love it. It's great as an extra especially when travelling, but I would not choose it as my main computer. The screen & keyboard is too small for bigger tasks and more hours of work. That said, I do use it a lot! Great when in the kitchen and you need a recipe from Google, or just need to check your email in the living room & don't want to go upstairs to the mainframe station :-)
- Morten Blaabjerg
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq indeed - I'll just wait in the meantime ;)
- Shaf
Morten, I actually replaced my touch screen HP with my 1000HE and just hook it up to a 22" monitor when I'm at the house. The ability of the computer to quickly change resolutions makes it even better. Although I am preparing to buy a Mac soon. So... Where can I find details on OSXing my 1000HE? Maybe I should google it.
- Robert James Massey
robert scoble, (i just saw your question up there), the ions are supposed to come out near the end of summer. the dual cores by intel released at october at the earliest -meaning netbooks a month after that.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I run OS X on my Acer Aspire One, works wonderfully and software update works too!
- James
We've had excellent results with the $200 Acer Aspire One's. They make an awesome PBX platform.
- Ward Mundy
I've had OSX installed on my Lenovo s10. Ran just fine. The problem was that OSX's UI is not well suited to the little screen -- particularly compared to Win7.
- Christopher A Carr
PIAF on an Aspire One is just hilarious. Ward gets bored easily.
- Jerry Schuman
I wish that boingboing chart had a video column.
- John Bachir
Does anyone have heat issues on netbook(running macos x) particularly when running flash?
- ashish
Curt: Ever since I bought my iPhone, I rarely use my Asus netbook anymore. The iPhone effectively replaced it for me. However, when away from home, there times when my netbook is needed. I just wish the video was faster. That is my biggest netbook complaint.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Ward, off topic... PIAF in VirtualBox on Mac mini. Along with a few other virt machines.
- Jerry Schuman
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq ION is just the platform there are already Atoms using the platform albeit mini-ITX and smaller(see the Zotec boards). Mixed reviews so far, think it can handle 720p but struggles at 1080p and you can forget blu-ray
- Shaf
good question, I've been wondering the same thing or considering the Ipod touch
- freedom fighter mom
from twhirl
shaf, the zotac is a mini itx motherboard i've being drooling over for some time. in regards to ion netbooks, the ideapad is the first *netbook* to have ion and plans to be released in a month or two... hence my safe estimate of august for the netbook: http://www.liliputing.com/2009... :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
ah, i see the ion netbook (from my previous link) has been now set back to october. this is around a month or two when the atom dual cores plan to be released. both attempt to trackle the prob of smooth hidef playback 720p, not quite 1080p or i yet.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
i hear that Dell mini 9 is the best netbook to run OSX on. I just bought one and going to attempt it.
- drinktale
The Dell Mini 9 is the best, Robert. I have one, and it's wonderful. I've installed OSX two different methods that worked quite well. I even blogged it: http://www.trevorcarpenter.com/2009...
- Trevor Carpenter
Why not use Ubuntu instead :)
- Manuel Mas
The 1000HE is a nice piece of kit, however it (or maybe just mine) had a pretty loud fan (a clearly audible "rrrr" noise at all times). Has anyone else got the same issue?
- Martin Häger
Netbooks still Taboo in my opinion, until Neo platform from nVidia shows up. Without decent 3D, I don't call it a computer...Even iPhone has better 3D capabilities than current netbooks...
- Adi Rabinovich
I have always been a fan of the Samsung range, check out more here: http://www.sammynetbook.com
- Winston
@answers Are you going to buy the new iPhone 3G S? Why or why not? M$1
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I would if I didn't just switch to ATT in January.
- Richard Leiter
I got my 3G in September, so I'm not sure what my options are for upgrade. But if it's $399 for the 3GS, I'll buy one.
- Paul Ring
Not with the current 3G upgrade path.
- Ben Newton
I will definitely be buying one,I have a first generation iphone and have been holding out for this day.
- Lee
Yep I am upgrading to the 32GB one!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I am very much considering it, but money's tight! :|
- Geoff Schultz
No, as it would cost me way too much now as I bought the 3G a year ago. Disappointed. :(
- Steve de Mena
Nope, mid contract and way too much for the upgrade
- Tom Searing
from twhirl
yes, but waiting for the Jul 11 anniversary when I bought it to make the switch. otherwise iphone 3G S will cost too much
- Ernie Oporto
from twhirl
Nope, because AT&T's non-qualified upgrade is too harsh. If I could upgrade the 3G I bought in January for $199, then I might consider it.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Nope. The UK upgrade path is crazy for current 3G owners. :(
- Aaron Dyer
from Alert Thingy
yes absolutely. i am still using the original iPhone, which I have to say still works great for being two years old. I didn't see that much of an advantage to upgrading when the first 3G came out, but now there seems to be enough new features that it makes it worth it.
- Jennifer
@Jandy AT&T's upgrade policy is no different than any other cell carrier's policy, in making you wait 2 years before upgrading for a greatly reduced price. I am excited that they're subsidizing at all actually; when I bought my original iPhone there wasn't any subsidizing and I paid full-price *and* was locked into a 2-year contract. If you ask me, their policy now is a lot better than it was then.
- Jennifer
Just got my 3G for work going to try to upgrade. Not to fussed though.
- Jason Remnant
I would buy it now if I was upgrade eligible. Oh well, gotta wait until December. We'll see if it is a big deal. Personally I wouldn't want 3Gers to comfy, and get 'em while the upgrade itch is hot.
- sailorj
No because they aren't available with Verizon :(
- Adam Martin
No. Will wait for the next iphone when my two year contract comes up for renewal. iPhone 3GS features and price are not worth it for me.
- Carlos
Yes. I have a first gen iPhone, the better battery life, autofocus camera, video, gps and compass are enough & being faster also
- Shannon Clark
No. Like many others, I'm mid contract. I'd pay $299 for the update, but not $399 or $499 depending on the model.
- Michael Groner
Nope - because I love my Pre.
- Nation Hahn
upgrade price not worth it for features i get with quickpwn
- Tyler Gillies
from email
Tyler - you are just flat out wrong. A jailbroken iPhone won't have: autofocus camera (of higher quality), builtin compass, be ready for next gen data networks (up to 7mps), have a faster processor & better battery. I'm upgrading from a 1st gen so the diff is big if I had a 3G it might be closer
- Shannon Clark
i was mostly using hyperbole. those features just aren't worth the upgrade price to me.
- Tyler Gillies
Just checked, I have to wait until February. Aarrrgh!
- Paul Ring
Not available on my provider, another year on contract. Also starting a new job, so will probably get a company mobile (Crackberry). So probably not getting one any time soon.
- David Wright
from twhirl
Data plans for AT&T are still keeping me from getting into smartphone craze...yet I may be cheap.
- Manuel Mas
Here in the UK if you have the existing Iphone 3G you probably have at least 6 months of contract to run - bit of a rollercoaster - June 19th then damn January 2010 :(
- David W
Still no pricing here. T-Mobile haven't updated their tariffs, you can arrange to be notified on the 19th though... :-S
- David Wright
from twhirl
I preordered a 3GS last night from the online apple store. I still have a first ten phone, so thankfully I qualified for the lower pricing.
- Beau Liening
Yes, but when I can get the subsidized price (December)
- Martin Johnson
definitely not before the contract renewal is possible and who knows how I will feel about it then..
- David W
Probably not. iPhone 2g still works great for me.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
@Jennifer, I know, and I agree that the initial iPhone customers got screwed, too. But just because it's an industry standard doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it. I haven't jailbroken because I was hoping to get a new handset with video support, but I may jailbreak instead in the meantime and pick up the new handset when my contract is up.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Planning to!! Features that are going to stay for a while from now. The problem in India is the price tag (31 & 36 grands). Looking forward to get one from the US. But then AT&T sucks there :O
- Praveen Vasudev
I setup a POLL for this topic at http://www.s-consulting.no/polls... Let me see the stats!
- Frode Stenstrøm
No - bad working out by o2 with regard to current 3g owners and the length of their contracts. I'm guessing they know hardcore Apple fans will buy out the remainder of their contract to get the new phone. That, I'm not going to do. I don't have £464 upfront to end my current contract and purchase the new handset.
- Charlotte M
It is really irritating me how much people are complaining about this. No one cared about their 2 year contract when the only thing to look forward to was a $30 flip phone. Maybe contracts are a dumb idea but that's the way it is. Get over it. You just received a subsidized phone a year ago. What makes you think you deserve one every single year? It's nothing that they're doing to...
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- Jennifer
already brought 16G 3Gs set for delivery purchased it as soon as the Apple store opened back up
- Kim Landwehr
In 6 months or so. O2 have the same idiotic plan as AT&T. It would cost me a fortune to cancel and then sign a new contract.
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, my Blackberry/Verizon contract is up, and I've heard people love At&T so I'm switching.
- Greg Birch
@Greg Birch - pls tell me you're kidding.
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
Yes, but It's like having to choose a contract with the Mafia, Yakuza or the Triads. Eventually you're going to lose an appendage.
- Greg Birch
that's a very accurate description. As long as you realize that AT&T = Yakuza. :)
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
I can dial without a pinky...
- Greg Birch
Nope. I just purchased my 3G in November. I'll wait and see what Apple comes up with in the next 18 months to replace mine when my contract expires.
- Bryan Clark
Nope---happy with my 3g.
- Kelly W.
AT&T sucks, and I am not willing to allow Apple to decide what applications can be put on my phone
- Chad Albert
I like AT&T but, I sure don't like their iPhone plan. Might get me a G1 or another HTC product that will take android.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Unfortunately, I just bought two iPhone 3Gs....so I'm going to wait a while. It seems every time I purchase an Apple product, they drop the price soon thereafter. Which is okay -- since I'm willing to overpay for Apple products but not pay discount for anything Microsoft at this point.
- Curt Mercadante
Nope - N97 unlocked for me. Even at ~$600 it's cheaper than the Iphone. Plus better camera, physical keyboard, FM transmitter, etc etc
- Mark Zip
I've been waiting to buy an iPhone and plan to make the 3GS my first one.
- Herb Hernandez
Not unless AT&T waives their STUPID $200 loyal customer tax
- Graphic Makeovers
I just got an Android instead!
- Ric Johnson
lol loyal customer tax
- Tyler Gillies
from email
I'm getting the new iPhone 3GS because I have been delaying my buy decision for new cellphone waiting for Apple to drops it's new iPhone
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Brushed Metal at WWDC - http://digg.com/apple...
"That was pretty funny, poor old brushed metal :("
- Aaron Dyer
Download ANY file from ANY site using Safari. - http://digg.com/apple...
"I love this tool, it's the main reason i use safari. very handy for grabbing flash videos from you tube and alike"
- Aaron Dyer
Can't Find the Time to Read a Book? Do it By Email. - http://digg.com/softwar...
"Ah the perfect excuse to spend yet more time online in GMiail ... shhh I'm reading. gotta try this one out."
- Aaron Dyer
diggmarks - anywhere on digg, from your bookmarks bar - http://digg.com/apple...
"Very handy.. Thanks and Happy New Year"
- Aaron Dyer
Nova 1 Launch Photo Journal: High Altitude Balloon Flight - http://digg.com/space...
"Some pretty cool shots in there. nice submission"
- Aaron Dyer
Amber Mac to leave G4Tech TV Canada - Moving to CityTV - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"Already done"
- Aaron Dyer
Amber MacArthur: "I'm leaving Call For Help" - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"Hey man. Looks like we both uploaded the same story at almost exactly the same time. Mine http://digg.com/ tech_newsAmber_Mac_to_leave_G4Tech_TV_Canada_Moving_to_CityTV I'll digg your post"
- Aaron Dyer
Amber Mac to leave G4Tech TV Canada - Moving to CityTV - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"Im thinking this may mean a big and deserved bump up for either mikey or sean, money is on sean"
- Aaron Dyer
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