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Special Gillmor Gang realtime rerun 1PM Pacific today http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I missed this Gillmor Gang the first time, I was working...
- Cliff Gerrish
lot of buffering right now, unwatchable, or is it just me?
- HansVanRock
Working for me. Seems pretty smooth.
- Cliff Gerrish
thought mine had buffering probs till I realized I had it opened in two windows
- Michael Metz
geez, i've been looking all over for this. JUST NOW found it.
- Karoli
anyone know if it's available on itunes?
- Michael Metz
Try http://itunes.apple.com/WebObje... for older shows
- Jack
I understand it'll eventually be available on YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
this is cracking me up. LOL...
- Karoli
Where was Feldman? Love the setting he's in.
- Karoli
dude, scoble's feed looks like mine. and he has a zillion more follows.
- Karoli
can't get the video on my iphone. what's up with that?
- Karoli
got it -- ustream viewer on iPhone. not as smooth as it is on the mac
- Karoli
that's "punked", not "pwned", but it's all good :)
- Kurtiss Hare
thx kurtis
- Steve Gillmor
holy shit. Loren trusts CNN? that's his first mistake.
- Karoli
thx for watching RObert
- Steve Gillmor
So, was this the first episode since the new setup?
- Kurtiss Hare
more in that I sort of know how the feed went but can get a different view while watching. both are similar experiences
- Steve Gillmor
totally impressed w/video quality and stream on my mac...iphone is a little more herky-jerky via UStream app.
- Karoli
Robert, me too. I used to listen to Newsgang LIve afterwards too, because being in it and seeing it later are so different.
- Karoli
Kurtis yes, we had several false starts
- Steve Gillmor
I'll buy one.
- Kurtiss Hare
I'm enjoying this - thanks for replaying it, Steve
- Hilary Talbot
ROFL...we are definitely in a theater.
- Karoli
lol, the meltdowns continue
- Mark
Does David Sanborn appreciate cell phone use during his live sets?
- Kurtiss Hare
this is great. love it. such high theatre.
- Karoli
"cell phone off" doesn't mean the same thing as "ringer off" does it? Too much talking... not enough listening...
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm waiting for him to stream one of those live sets. (and don't tell Loren I tweet from church...LOL)
- Karoli
david sanborn loves when people tweet about his show during concerts
- Steve Gillmor
this is AWESOME
- Mark
feldman is ALL OVER Scoble
- Mark
this is better watching the second time around
- Jay Cuthrell
Loren should do his own talk show
- Jesse Stay
+1 Jesse (same thought just 2 seconds to late)
- HansVanRock
Loren -is- his own talk show
- Jay Cuthrell
lolllllllllllllllllllll
- Mark
Great great delivery
- Jay Cuthrell
Loren's all over the place, by his own logic, why should CNN be authoritative when they're not the ones making the news?
- Kurtiss Hare
I tuned in late and got hit in the face with this... hm. Missed what brought down Loren's wrath on Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - There is a FF thread over in building43 that covered the back and forth for the original live airing
- Jay Cuthrell
this is the point where i want to thank Steve that Gillmor Gang is back
- HansVanRock
steve, where did you just post your reply re: Sanborn loving tweets during sets? I can't find it on this thread...(confusion)
- Karoli
what the fuck just happened
- Mark
rock on, Steve. great show, so glad it's back.
- Karoli
here you Ken: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Jay Cuthrell
thats it?
- HansVanRock
AND SCENE
- Jay Cuthrell
with all the respect to you GANG you can do this better in close doors sorry
- Johni Fisher
Keith Jarrett would probably just end the concert. Suppose it depends on the artistic temperament.
- Kurtiss Hare
Loren and Scoble at each other's throats. Theatre. Drama. Fake blood. Professional wrestling at its most amateur.
- Michael Markman
Sigh. Somebody lemme know where there's an RSS feed for the bootleg audio, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, have you looked over on UStream? There may be video there...
- Karoli
I checked UStream but the only archives are Steve playing with the initial setup.
- Jay Cuthrell
there will be a YouTube version soon
- Steve Gillmor
The quality of the broadcast (technology) is outstanding
- Jay Cuthrell
Steve : why always to fight ?
- Johni Fisher
where can I subscribe to this show?
- No Agenda Forums
Johni life can be a struggle
- Steve Gillmor
there will be an RSS feed on gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Steve Gillmor
Steve DO you really think that Feldman is a Gang member ? speaking as he spoke to Robert ?
- Johni Fisher
The Gillmor Gang is who I say it is
- Steve Gillmor
and ?
- Johni Fisher
just subscribed to http://friendfeed.com/realtim... having it sent to FF notifier popup.
- Karoli
Johni, Feldman might be a LIfetime Gang member. Just sayin'. :)
- Karoli
and what?
- Steve Gillmor
Thanks Steve. Looking forward to listening.
- No Agenda Forums
GG is amorphous, but I sure do miss a voice like Udell's, back in the day.
- Kurtiss Hare
thanks for listening No Agenda
- Steve Gillmor
I was thinking about the limitations on TV broadcast video for a simulcast with sidebar conversation... not sure how many people have 62" TV's yet that would support offload to a interstital and separate chat window (reminds me of early AOL experiments with interactive pre-IPTV)
- Jay Cuthrell
I talk with Udell all the time, just not on the air recently
- Steve Gillmor
[ (TV) (sidebar) ] would be a pretty big screen
- Jay Cuthrell
okay, later. Lots of fun, Steve, thanks for rerunning for lamers like me who missed the first round.
- Karoli
good to see you Karoli
- Steve Gillmor
I just like how varied the personalities are on the show. Bass. Drums. Guitar. Harmonica.
- Jay Cuthrell
back to work... later folks
- Jay Cuthrell
If anyone missed this rerun there's an MP3 here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
- Jack
thx jack
- Christopher Harris
Yes thanks very much for the bootlegs Jack, much appreciated all around.
- Michael Breslin
btw thank you for recording the prev show!
- Michael Pinto
Listened to the bootleg feed, great show. I doubt I'll ever watch live as I'm more a radio guy. Loren's comment as being a trusted source for reporting the Michael Jackson funeral has a disturbing similarity to Blackwater being a trusted source for the US Military. I'm all for keeping Feldman and Keen on the show and it was great hearing Calacanis again, Scoble on the other hand.... It's your show Steve
- Jason Adams
Just returned from holiday to discover that Steve has put the gang back together. Great first show. Love the fact that Steve no longer sounds like a call-in guest on his own show. Thanks to whoever set up the bootleg mp3 feed - vital for this long-term listener. Keep up the good work, chaps and chapesses!
- Richard Carter, FCD
from iPhone
Live now: The Tech Guy radio show. At 5:15p Eastern, This Week In Google with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and former Googler, Kevin Marks. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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Leo we need a Facebook Weekly show
- Stephen Pickering
Loe, if your caller is really stuck, reset the Apple TV to factory and setup from scratch.
- Jeffrey Stephen
leo,u seen kevins news on techcrunch>?August 20, 2009 mitnick http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
- pcguru626
Live now: This Week in Google with Jeff Jarvis and Gina Trapani. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
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i found it. thanks irc's
- echostreamer
I second my post from earlier: Topic to speculate about in TWIG: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- David Schmidt
Msoft wanted to go to all online subscription based software (that was the point of .NET) now that google has taken that path by storm, Msoft is now the choice if you want a hard copy of your software and local save. Ironic?
- echostreamer
is yahoo.com just a microsoft bing shell now, or r they still independent?
- echostreamer
Twitter was centralized, nearly everyone else was not.
- Colin
Twitter will learn from the experience. Luckily it did not happen during the iran elections or other disasters.
- Bill Rodman
wave scares me even more than igoogle. wave = hal from 2001 space
- echostreamer
DDoS - sounds like a great name for a rock band !
- John Hillestad
FYI Leo @ Co Google just bought the company who made the Ogg Theora codec and has since made better ones (some suspect to allow that to be un-encumbered for HTML 5)
- Patrick Sullivan
everyone is for net neutrality as long as they own/control the platform/ architecture
- echostreamer
Does anyone have a link for that iPhone streaming video site?
- Aaron Dyer
I found http://iphone.akamai.com/
- Bill Rodman
with twitter, news site (NYTimes.com) are as archaic as physical paper was yesterday.
- echostreamer
i dont hear about news at work until 2-3 days after i saw it on twitter. cable+news=fail
- echostreamer
Yeah the MyTouch hit on tuesday. Supposedly Samsung has the i7500/Galaxy coming out (also on tMobile) in either Sept or October though I don't remember which.
- Patrick Sullivan
http://youtube.com/html5 - wow!
- Leo Laporte
my firefox 3.5.2 wont play that html5 utube, but some1(in irc) just said it works. must be something else for me?
- echostreamer
I can't get that to work in anything now. TWiT effect?
- Mike Lewis
a wish list for Google could be very cool!
- Joey
hi listing and watching from georgia the buffering prossses is jerkey on the mack 2 day
- daveccorey
please show TWIF & security now reruns
- echostreamer
bufferings better now on the leo show thax
- daveccorey
First I have to get an alternate to see Leo, then my satellite dish goes out due to weather; one of those days, I guess. Leo's show probably got popular fast due to the twitter, facebook outages. I think we need duplication of these services, and maybe go back and forth between FriendFeed and twitter as necessary when one goes out due to attack. Not just for competitive reasons.
- heretic_twit
hi from ga
- daveccorey
Gina: sorry, the problem with what you're asking for (having TweetDeck cache Tweets and push them to others while Twitter is down) is that Twitter's Firehose Feed' agreement forbids doing just that. Great show, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
i was wondering why it wasent working
- daveccorey
twitter still down at least on my computer. Or down again one or the other...
- James Hampsten
hi from georgia my twiters still down 4 a worlds record longest time
- daveccorey
and its tues i still have no twitter in georgia
- daveccorey
Leo thanks for starting this great show. Gina is great.
- Mark Nelson
Just listening to Gina talk about distributed Twitter, I can't help but think if we'd all just adopt Simple Microblogging Transport Protocol, we'd all be OK... http://www.kensheppardson.com/2008...
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo, you should update the Google calendar for TWIG.
- David Schmidt
Thanks for the reminder David. Starting Saturday, we record TWig at 2:15p Pacific/5:15p Eastern
- Leo Laporte
please update the calendar
- Luís Miguel Braga
Luis, it has been updated
- Chris Heath
Live now: This Week in Google with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and Anil Dash. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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leading with the fb./ff story. what a great round-table.
- michael sean wright
I hope they keep FF separate from FB
- Mac64
Wow, now I know how Gina Trapani looks like! \o,
- Zu from AOD
being a complete noob, can someone remind me how i can view this item in a pop out window? Thanks!
- Aaron Dyer
Jeff referenced the Kevin Marks blog post on 'How Twitter Works' - http://epeus.blogspot.com/2009...
- michael sean wright
aaron - on the http://live.twit.tv page you should see a button that says open video in popout window - it's centered on the bottom of the video window (kind of hard to see)
- michael sean wright
Aaron: twice click the timestamp...
- David Schmidt
oh sorry Michael i meant the FF room.. Thanks David
- Aaron Dyer
Live search makes FF great
- Mac64
FriendFeed was way too cheap. They should have sold for more...
- David Schmidt
But then I guess it's a sign how much the FF staff loved the idea to get together with FB.
- David Schmidt
i just hope that FF doesn't get flooded by all my 'normal' facebook friends :)
- Aaron Dyer
I second that, Aaron.
- David Schmidt
something tells me that FB wont exactly leave FF guys to their own devices however :(
- Aaron Dyer
time to move to streamy? http://www.streamy.com/
- Aaron Dyer
I use RSS still more than 50% of all media.
- David Schmidt
I have my own RSS feeds to get stuff from pages, which don't support RSS. Dunno what tech could do that instead.
- David Schmidt
Yep, Wave would be the solution. Modification, customization, and that stays in the same footprint.
- Zu from AOD
pubsubhub!
- michael sean wright
I need a wave invite first! also so do all of my 'friends'
- Aaron Dyer
Still not sure if real time all alone would fit me. Too scared to miss sth.
- David Schmidt
@Aaron Dyer, yeah, as soon as its start is public, we'll have that slow conversion. Hope the Federation protocol does its thing.
- Zu from AOD
hello russia now that was awesome
- Aaron Dyer
although it would serve only to confirm that no one reads my stuff ha!
- Aaron Dyer
just tuned in. loving the conversation i.e. "a blog post is an asset" been thinking alot about that lately and how most of my content is been more and more on someone else's social app. would love to have a distributed wordpress/blogger/etc social platform. maybe google connect has potential?
- Zeb Palmer
Google's index seams to be getting much nearer to being in real-time - this post is already in the results. http://bit.ly/D0Lai
- tw1
I think they just observe a few important sites like FB, FF, Twitter and so on more often. To index the whole web in that fashion might be just not possible with today's tools.
- David Schmidt
I really like this show guys! Really good.
- Devon Govett
I Wonder with all the use of social sites and rss readers.. do we really use google as much?
- Aaron Dyer
Aaron, I still use google for search, quite a bit, and although I haven't been using GReader all that much lately, I plan to move all the twitter feeds I follow into it for archival search
- Cornelius Toole
I'm sorry! How do you find FF difficult to use?
- MarK
thats a great idea Cornelius, i think you've just found me my Sunday project
- Aaron Dyer
I think there was a Lifehacker article on that topic, Aaron, Cornelius. Update: Found it here: http://lifehacker.com/5337796...
- David Schmidt
Beat me to it David, yeah that's what I planning to do, now if I can do that with all the tumblelogs I follow, now +200
- Cornelius Toole
I need to get better at sharing, i just skim and star stuff i really want to read later
- Aaron Dyer
i love that feature ! if i miss a day i am gonna already behind by +1000 items
- Aaron Dyer
email still feels like a more direct in your face connection twitter is like standing in a support group i guess jeff
- Aaron Dyer
email is my voice mail....deal with it when i have time connection
- Mac64
I'm glad I'm the only one who can figure out sharing / starring / likeing in google reader http://seanreiser.com/content...
- Sean Reiser
I let go of being bothered by having +1000 items in several of my feeds a long time ago. I have too many feeds to clear them out everyday(and it not be my job). I hope I can use the google search infrastructure to find relevant stuff in the pile and every now again I just skim the most recent stuff.
- Cornelius Toole
I'd love to see a feature in GReader which recommends blogs according to a single blog I'm subscribed to, much like Amazon's "what people also buy" feature.
- David Schmidt
Seconded, David
- Aaron Dyer
I mean there are recommendations in "Browse for stuff", but they are way to general...
- David Schmidt
wow, guess i know what my next career move will be huh? :)
- Aaron Dyer
its the 80 20 time thing
- Aaron Dyer
Leo, this is TWIG not TWIA.
- David Schmidt
we all need a gina
- Aaron Dyer
they have to redo the iphone web interface too !
- Aaron Dyer
Just sign up the at Goog Voice site leo. You'll get an invite a day or two later.
- Arawak
Leo, these are all problems of early adopters. Talk in a year about it, all done.
- David Schmidt
great show, great comments in the FF room too, later guys
- Aaron Dyer
Try Feedly! Great way to interact with Google Reader.
- invariant
great show guys!
- Devon Govett
Yeah great panel and show.
- Arawak
Love it. Thx all...
- David Schmidt
leo you should get dave winer on soon too to talk about the rss cloud thing
- Aaron Dyer
I would like to see Matt Cutts talk about Google SEO
- Mac64
Still vote for Paul Buchheit or Bret Taylor.
- David Schmidt
Paul was invited - we'll get him on when the smoke clears. I think maybe Kevin Marks for next week?
- Leo Laporte
Bring in TWIT regulars too. Thurrott and Norton come to mind since they use and extoll Google/cloud services.
- Arawak
Well I tried Gina's tip re keyboard shortcuts and my google searches in FFox 3.5.2 are still not showing the pointers
- Greg
Disagree! I read all my Tweets from where I left off last time I checked.
- Manuel Mas
hi from georgia the buffearing stream isnt working well to day 4 some weard reason
- daveccorey
its better now thax
- daveccorey
When is TWIG? Preferably GMT
- Scott
Maybe an RSS reader is better than FriendFeed after all - http://www.rexblog.com/2009...
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It depends on your goal, isn't it?
- Marco Dal Pozzo [mdp]
They're two completely different tools for completely different purposes. This is like saying a jackhammer is better or worse than an ironing board.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
FriendFeed on a Saturday afternoon isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang.
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Do your own on TinyChat
- Chris Saad
Really?
- Jim Connolly
Scoble Gang
- Mark
You really should go back to doing it audio only, easier and better.
- Mason Lee
Yeah - what about a 'Scoble's gang?' You know everyone worth talking to.
- Jim Connolly
But yeah, I agree-- I miss that podcast, especially when it went somewhat deeper into things like "track" and the future of communications
- Mason Lee
Scoble's Gang reporting sir!
- Özgür D. Cyric
Darren: Loved that! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Heh. Thanks everyone! Gives me something to think about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll help you folks out. Steve: "If we can just get track back, then the gesture economy will finally take hold" Arrington: "Mufflers again, let's talk sports cars." Doc: "Is VRM a muffler or sports car?" Jason: "This show was sponsored by Building 43." Scoble: "Heehee."
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: add some drama and that is pretty close.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow. Only a little? Can't wait for Scoble Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: I can't wait either but I already have Scoble Gang. It is called FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought we were a mob... now i'm confused
- Chris Heath
HAHAhahahaha yea! =] It's called FF!
- Özgür D. Cyric
C'mon Robert. The yearning mob awaits
- Steve Gillmor
Chris: gang, mob, what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but steve, the mob awaits you too!
- Chris Heath
semantics
- Chris Heath
and spelling
- Chris Heath
the mob can [redacted] itself
- Steve Gillmor
that's funny steve, cuz i just [redacted] myself moments ago... and plan to [redact] later tonight as well :-P
- Chris Heath
may cause blindness
- Steve Gillmor
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mob
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed is a gateway drug to Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"can't we all just get along?"
- Chris Heath
I've listened to several back episodes of Gillmor Gang over the last few days. They were surprisingly good. Steve comes across as cranky, yes, but underneath he is usually making valid points.
- Laura Norvig
I miss Gilmore Gang :(
- Robert Burgin
I agree Laura, and I also miss the GG
- Chris Heath
How far back did you go Laura?
- Chris Heath
Agree with Laura, I miss the gang, steve tells it like he sees it and doesn't just jump onto the newest thing just because its new .. Bring back the Gang !
- Aaron Dyer
Best part of GG were the inevitable meltdowns every few weeks
- Mark
Give the order Scoble Sir! I'll have their... well... keyboards!! :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Sometimes meltdowns need to happen to re-focus us all, strong and differing opinions are a GOOD thing
- Aaron Dyer
GG reminded me of an open mic night where everyone ends up playing 12-bar blues.... but sometimes you get a jazz guy in there that mixes things up a bit.
- Jay Cuthrell
Chris, I listened to 3 episodes from March. I'm just going through all the ones that happen to be on my iPod that I never had a chance to listen to.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble -- Do it. The Scoble Mob.
- Dave Winer
"The Scoble Mob(ile)" would make a neat logo and imply the disjointed and anywhere anytime nature of the "mob"
- Jay Cuthrell
The Gillmor Gang was the best show on the internet in my opinion. I miss it tremendously. Scoble Gang wouldn't be the same even though he still could make a good show. You need Steve at the helm to set the tone.
- Wo
so wheres the link to "The Scoble Mob"? Who's going to be on today?
- BryanSchuetz
I'm sure Leo would let you put it on the TWIT Robert
- BryanSchuetz
Yeah I agree GG was great, and I miss it alot. Scoble is great and was great addition to the gang. But not many can do what Steve did so well. Cut into the bone of the conversation with just one "cranky" rant. I'm pretty sure I would subscribe to a scobleshow also though. I wasn't fond of the change over to Twit, it kinda changed the dynamics of the show. Nothing bad about Leo, the show just wasn't the same with him co holding the reins.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I for one, would love to see Leo [redacted] arrington in the mouth with his mighty "mob", over and over again
- Michael Thomas
Indeed, bring back The Gang...
- Richard Eckel
In a few days I think Arrington is going to announce he worked with twitter and the police to track the hacker down.
- Mark
Steve's a sweet teddybear with strong opinions...just not a great fit on TWiT. I'm sure a new iteration will appear when the time is right.
- Web Pixie
I guess nature does not abhor a vacuum.
- Jim Posner
FriendFeed on a Sunday morning, very early, so early in fact my ass is still in bed and not listening to a podcast isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang :P
- Johnny
What does Gillmor do for a day job? I mean, he posts maybe 1 article a week, a couple of tweets. What does he *do* ?
- Mark
He comes up with ideas for the schmuck with the puppets
- Dave Winer
Hahaha
- Mark
lol
- Aaron Thorn
I wonder sometimes how Tech people make their living. I mean, your financial past Dave is known (you made some nice bucks back in the day), Leo Laporte has his network, Scoble has his paying gigs with rackspace, but the likes of Feldman and Gillmor and a bunch of others make me wonder what pays the bills!
- Mark
Heck, Shel Isreal has a new book coming out! baby needs a new pair of shoes
- Mark
Mark: Steve Gillmor's RealTIme Crunchup had 500 people at it. You don't think he figured out how to get paid for that? And why do you need to get paid to talk on the Internet? I did this before I got paid for it. I'm just very fortunate to have found a way to do it all the time.
- Robert Scoble
anybody know how blocking works on friendfeed? Is it bidirectional or does it merely silence the idiots?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: if you block someone you no longer can see their stuff and they can no longer see your stuff. The rest of us are unaffected.
- Robert Scoble
600, Robert.
- Steve Gillmor
Actually, that's not completely true, because the folks you block can't see you anymore they can't comment on your stuff, so we'll notice that over time your items have fewer and fewer idiots commenting on them. That will increase your personal brand. On the other hand, if you block someone who has a lot of engagement (an idiot like me, for instance) then you'll see the artifacts of their interactions with other people.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure that if you did a Gillmor Gang, you would all say that Chrome OS is in fact Android 2.0 and it's going to kill Microsoft, Intel and Apple.
- Charbax
Charbax: whenever a blogger says something kills something else that just means it's more interesting than something else. Nothing more. So, if that's true, you'd be right.
- Robert Scoble
ok, but isn't new tech supposed to sometimes really cannibalize established tech. If Google OS powers $100 laptops with ARM processors all of a sudden, then who's going to buy Windows/OSX stuff anymore. And how can the old Silicon Valley giants then still make money.
- Charbax
Charbax: it's pretty rare that new stuff actually "kills" old stuff and when it does it takes years to happen. Heck, the Web has been killing AOL now for about a decade and AOL still is around. I don't think Google Chrome will get me to stop buying OSX or Windows but it could change my behavior and that is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
All major laptop OEMs showed 50 sub-$200 ARM netbook designs at Computex last month, I filmed them all http://techvideoblog.com/... (my Computex videos were on Engadget a dozen times in that week). I think Chrome OS is actually just Google optimizing the browser for all these new cheaper embedded Linux laptops.
- Charbax
scoble's definition may work for him, but when I say something's dead, it has a specific meaning -- and it's not that is no longer interesting. RSS has always been and continues to be interesting. But it's still dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Charbax: right. Hi Steve. Someday I'll get the Gillmor translation guide figured all out.
- Robert Scoble
I miss the Gillmor Gang! The industry is very dull without it...
- Michael Pinto
start with Saturday Night Live first 2 seasons
- Steve Gillmor
Diego: I figure Gillmor Gang will come back right around the same time we stop talking about it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, Arrington's a tool and the perfect foil on Gillmor Gang. Renew it, intact. Saturdays on FF, TC & Twitter are a bore now...
- Thom Kennon
They will be back Just will take time
- Aaron Thorn
That's worth elaborating. Respectively, I hear the same broad sweeping, provocative statements that don't include anything in support of that statement as to why. I understand it's the only way to make a point effectively in a short window of time but I've heard too many people say "RSS is Dead" without much to support that claim/point of view. It's like someone trying to drive fashion.
- Benjamin Taylor
The iphone represents less than 1% of the global mobile phone market, yet Apple amasses $20 Billion treasury, so I guess you are right. it'll probably take them at least a few years to burn up all that money unless they quickly fire most of their 85 thousand employees.
- Charbax
Diego, yep. It keeps things interesting and makes the less toolish look (and act) more brill.
- Thom Kennon
Is there any way to listen to the old shows?
- Robert D'Alesio
RSS is Dead. RSS is live. RSS lives.
- Matt Terenzio
It's alive. Alive!
- Matt Terenzio
Like others have said, definitely miss it. My podcast lineup's not the same with iTunes showing my GG feed broken.
- Micah
I agree
- Robert Burgin
i want GillmorGang back in real-time
- HansVanRock
I haven't looked at Netbooks lately. Is the Asus 1000HE still the best for under $400? Which is the best to run OSX on? Answer on FriendFeed
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Yeah, the Asus 1000HE still gives best bang for your buck. That, and it can run games decently.
- Sam Goldfield
Robert, you should wait for next lineups which include Nvidia Tegra and ION chipsets that run 1080P videos smoothly. Otherwise, Asus 1000HE is definitely one of the best nowadays, specially in terms of battery life.
- Nir Ben Yona
I love OS X on my MSI Wind, plus the battery options are very nice to have in a netbook.
- Aaron Dyer
1000HE works fine for me---thrilled about battery life, but haven't moved to OS X on it. You *know* if you buy something, something better is announced the next day...
- elspmdi
Nir: when are those coming?
- Robert Scoble
I have the MSI Wind and am very happy with it.
- Gunnybear ™
I'm waiting for the Asus 1005HA (out this week) - the fully loaded version. I believe the Dell Mini is still the easiest for running OSX tho
- Andy Sternberg
from fftogo
I was personally looking at the HP Mini (fully loaded, bluetooth, the works), and Newegg is having a sale for $329.00?
- Sam Ferry
depends. some people hate the msi wind. i got it because at the time it was one of the *only* ones that you could overclock. some people get other kinds for the keyboard size but does not have the overclock feature. my msi wind runs the default xp, windows 7, and os x. i have unbuntu on usb and backtrack 4 on sdhc. it's a great little machine for the price with great battery life. it...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
one of the better compatibility charts floating around regarding OSX and Netbooks. http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008...
- Jerry Schuman
been using the Acer Aspire One 531 for a while now, the inbuilt 3G module makes it very interesting but today switched to the Samsung N110,what a machine, running windows 7 ultimate is the only way to go
- Patphelan
Robert, the new Lenovo IdeaPad S12 with ION chipset is already up for pre-order and scheduled for shipment on July http://bit.ly/kXgMw. Other netbooks with Tegra chipsets are expected to make a debut on Q4.
- Nir Ben Yona
What is the benefit of a Netbook over, say a 13-inch MacBook or an iphone?
- Curt Mercadante
the boing boing link jerry gave shows the msi wind works well with it. however, there's a hack for the audio i/o -albeit not very elegant but they are working on it and it's getting there.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Curt: price over Macbook. Screen resolution and flexibility over iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
You can put OSX on the 1000HE? I'm posting this with a 1000HE, and I must say I really love the device.
- Robert James Massey
Curt, I was considering the MacBook Air and asked Robert for alternatives. Have iPhone. Want keyboard, practical screen and multi-tasking.
- Conor Ogle
curt, a netbook isn't for everybody. i have an iphone, netbook, and macbook pro. you take your netbook when you need to travel on the go but don't want to lug around your primary 3+ grand laptop, risking theft or damage. it has a bigger screen and capabilities than the iphone. they are supposed to complement your existing computing experience -not necessarily replace anything.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
The Dell Mini 9 is supposed to be the most Hackintoshable netbook.
- nick
tbh I've never been a fan of the atom processor. It made no sense in buying the equivalent of a 5yr old centrino. A beefed up battery on a centrino benchmarks the same as a netbook. However as others have suggested the ION chipset is the way to go if you want to offload DXVA videos on to it.
- Shaf
Ive had the HP Mini 1000, The Acer Aspire one, and the 1000HE. The 1000HE is hands down the leader.
- Kyle Nas
shaf, it would be interesting to see what happens when the dual core atoms come out in q4 and how they will stand in regards to the ion. will they integrate the ion some how, or will they compete? the tech is getting better.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Use my 1000HE now as I write this and I love it. It's great as an extra especially when travelling, but I would not choose it as my main computer. The screen & keyboard is too small for bigger tasks and more hours of work. That said, I do use it a lot! Great when in the kitchen and you need a recipe from Google, or just need to check your email in the living room & don't want to go upstairs to the mainframe station :-)
- Morten Blaabjerg
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq indeed - I'll just wait in the meantime ;)
- Shaf
Morten, I actually replaced my touch screen HP with my 1000HE and just hook it up to a 22" monitor when I'm at the house. The ability of the computer to quickly change resolutions makes it even better. Although I am preparing to buy a Mac soon. So... Where can I find details on OSXing my 1000HE? Maybe I should google it.
- Robert James Massey
robert scoble, (i just saw your question up there), the ions are supposed to come out near the end of summer. the dual cores by intel released at october at the earliest -meaning netbooks a month after that.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I run OS X on my Acer Aspire One, works wonderfully and software update works too!
- James
We've had excellent results with the $200 Acer Aspire One's. They make an awesome PBX platform.
- Ward Mundy
PIAF on an Aspire One is just hilarious. Ward gets bored easily.
- Jerry Schuman
I wish that boingboing chart had a video column.
- John Bachir
Does anyone have heat issues on netbook(running macos x) particularly when running flash?
- Ashish
Curt: Ever since I bought my iPhone, I rarely use my Asus netbook anymore. The iPhone effectively replaced it for me. However, when away from home, there times when my netbook is needed. I just wish the video was faster. That is my biggest netbook complaint.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Ward, off topic... PIAF in VirtualBox on Mac mini. Along with a few other virt machines.
- Jerry Schuman
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq ION is just the platform there are already Atoms using the platform albeit mini-ITX and smaller(see the Zotec boards). Mixed reviews so far, think it can handle 720p but struggles at 1080p and you can forget blu-ray
- Shaf
good question, I've been wondering the same thing or considering the Ipod touch
- freedom fighter mom
from twhirl
shaf, the zotac is a mini itx motherboard i've being drooling over for some time. in regards to ion netbooks, the ideapad is the first *netbook* to have ion and plans to be released in a month or two... hence my safe estimate of august for the netbook: http://www.liliputing.com/2009... :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
ah, i see the ion netbook (from my previous link) has been now set back to october. this is around a month or two when the atom dual cores plan to be released. both attempt to trackle the prob of smooth hidef playback 720p, not quite 1080p or i yet.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
i hear that Dell mini 9 is the best netbook to run OSX on. I just bought one and going to attempt it.
- drinktale
Why not use Ubuntu instead :)
- Manuel Mas
Netbooks still Taboo in my opinion, until Neo platform from nVidia shows up. Without decent 3D, I don't call it a computer...Even iPhone has better 3D capabilities than current netbooks...
- Adi Rabinovich
I have always been a fan of the Samsung range, check out more here: http://www.sammynetbook.com
- Winston
@answers Are you going to buy the new iPhone 3G S? Why or why not? M$1
Andy Harrison, Morton Fox, Bryan Clark and 10 other people liked this
I would if I didn't just switch to ATT in January.
- Richard Leiter
I got my 3G in September, so I'm not sure what my options are for upgrade. But if it's $399 for the 3GS, I'll buy one.
- Paul Ring
Not with the current 3G upgrade path.
- Ben Newton
I will definitely be buying one,I have a first generation iphone and have been holding out for this day.
- Lee
Yep I am upgrading to the 32GB one!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I am very much considering it, but money's tight! :|
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
No, as it would cost me way too much now as I bought the 3G a year ago. Disappointed. :(
- Steve de Mena
Nope, mid contract and way too much for the upgrade
- Tom Searing
from twhirl
yes, but waiting for the Jul 11 anniversary when I bought it to make the switch. otherwise iphone 3G S will cost too much
- Ernie Oporto
from twhirl
Nope, because AT&T's non-qualified upgrade is too harsh. If I could upgrade the 3G I bought in January for $199, then I might consider it.
- Jandy
Nope. The UK upgrade path is crazy for current 3G owners. :(
- Aaron Dyer
from Alert Thingy
yes absolutely. i am still using the original iPhone, which I have to say still works great for being two years old. I didn't see that much of an advantage to upgrading when the first 3G came out, but now there seems to be enough new features that it makes it worth it.
- Jennifer
@Jandy AT&T's upgrade policy is no different than any other cell carrier's policy, in making you wait 2 years before upgrading for a greatly reduced price. I am excited that they're subsidizing at all actually; when I bought my original iPhone there wasn't any subsidizing and I paid full-price *and* was locked into a 2-year contract. If you ask me, their policy now is a lot better than it was then.
- Jennifer
Just got my 3G for work going to try to upgrade. Not to fussed though.
- Jason Remnant
I would buy it now if I was upgrade eligible. Oh well, gotta wait until December. We'll see if it is a big deal. Personally I wouldn't want 3Gers to comfy, and get 'em while the upgrade itch is hot.
- sailorj
No because they aren't available with Verizon :(
- Adam Martin
No. Will wait for the next iphone when my two year contract comes up for renewal. iPhone 3GS features and price are not worth it for me.
- Carlos
Yes. I have a first gen iPhone, the better battery life, autofocus camera, video, gps and compass are enough & being faster also
- Shannon Clark
No. Like many others, I'm mid contract. I'd pay $299 for the update, but not $399 or $499 depending on the model.
- Michael Groner
upgrade price not worth it for features i get with quickpwn
- Tyler Gillies
from email
Tyler - you are just flat out wrong. A jailbroken iPhone won't have: autofocus camera (of higher quality), builtin compass, be ready for next gen data networks (up to 7mps), have a faster processor & better battery. I'm upgrading from a 1st gen so the diff is big if I had a 3G it might be closer
- Shannon Clark
i was mostly using hyperbole. those features just aren't worth the upgrade price to me.
- Tyler Gillies
Just checked, I have to wait until February. Aarrrgh!
- Paul Ring
Not available on my provider, another year on contract. Also starting a new job, so will probably get a company mobile (Crackberry). So probably not getting one any time soon.
- David Wright
from twhirl
Data plans for AT&T are still keeping me from getting into smartphone craze...yet I may be cheap.
- Manuel Mas
Here in the UK if you have the existing Iphone 3G you probably have at least 6 months of contract to run - bit of a rollercoaster - June 19th then damn January 2010 :(
- David W
Still no pricing here. T-Mobile haven't updated their tariffs, you can arrange to be notified on the 19th though... :-S
- David Wright
from twhirl
I preordered a 3GS last night from the online apple store. I still have a first ten phone, so thankfully I qualified for the lower pricing.
- Beau Liening
Yes, but when I can get the subsidized price (December)
- Martin Johnson
definitely not before the contract renewal is possible and who knows how I will feel about it then..
- David W
Probably not. iPhone 2g still works great for me.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
@Jennifer, I know, and I agree that the initial iPhone customers got screwed, too. But just because it's an industry standard doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it. I haven't jailbroken because I was hoping to get a new handset with video support, but I may jailbreak instead in the meantime and pick up the new handset when my contract is up.
- Jandy
Planning to!! Features that are going to stay for a while from now. The problem in India is the price tag (31 & 36 grands). Looking forward to get one from the US. But then AT&T sucks there :O
- Praveen Vasudev
I setup a POLL for this topic at http://www.s-consulting.no/polls... Let me see the stats!
- Frode Stenstrøm
No - bad working out by o2 with regard to current 3g owners and the length of their contracts. I'm guessing they know hardcore Apple fans will buy out the remainder of their contract to get the new phone. That, I'm not going to do. I don't have £464 upfront to end my current contract and purchase the new handset.
- Charley M
It is really irritating me how much people are complaining about this. No one cared about their 2 year contract when the only thing to look forward to was a $30 flip phone. Maybe contracts are a dumb idea but that's the way it is. Get over it. You just received a subsidized phone a year ago. What makes you think you deserve one every single year? It's nothing that they're doing to...
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- Jennifer
already brought 16G 3Gs set for delivery purchased it as soon as the Apple store opened back up
- Kim Landwehr
In 6 months or so. O2 have the same idiotic plan as AT&T. It would cost me a fortune to cancel and then sign a new contract.
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, my Blackberry/Verizon contract is up, and I've heard people love At&T so I'm switching.
- Greg Birch
@Greg Birch - pls tell me you're kidding.
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
Yes, but It's like having to choose a contract with the Mafia, Yakuza or the Triads. Eventually you're going to lose an appendage.
- Greg Birch
that's a very accurate description. As long as you realize that AT&T = Yakuza. :)
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
I can dial without a pinky...
- Greg Birch
Nope. I just purchased my 3G in November. I'll wait and see what Apple comes up with in the next 18 months to replace mine when my contract expires.
- Bryan Clark
Nope---happy with my 3g.
- Kelly W.
AT&T sucks, and I am not willing to allow Apple to decide what applications can be put on my phone
- Chad Albert
I like AT&T but, I sure don't like their iPhone plan. Might get me a G1 or another HTC product that will take android.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Unfortunately, I just bought two iPhone 3Gs....so I'm going to wait a while. It seems every time I purchase an Apple product, they drop the price soon thereafter. Which is okay -- since I'm willing to overpay for Apple products but not pay discount for anything Microsoft at this point.
- Curt Mercadante
Nope - N97 unlocked for me. Even at ~$600 it's cheaper than the Iphone. Plus better camera, physical keyboard, FM transmitter, etc etc
- Mark Zip
I've been waiting to buy an iPhone and plan to make the 3GS my first one.
- Herb Hernandez
I just got an Android instead!
- Ric Johnson
lol loyal customer tax
- Tyler Gillies
from email
I'm getting the new iPhone 3GS because I have been delaying my buy decision for new cellphone waiting for Apple to drops it's new iPhone
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Live now this WEEK in TECH with Jason Calacanis, Patrick Norton, Brian Brushwood, Kirsten Sanford, and Catherine Hall, to name a few. Discuss here...
Aaron Dyer, Eric Geller, Lowell Bennink and 38 other people liked this
:P
- Phillip Stewart
wow... imediate
- Chris Heath
about time
- patrick
nice!
- Phil Maxwell
3rd :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
that was quick
- Chris
less wine this week right?
- Phil Maxwell
Bah!
- ralphsaunders
Hullo!
- Simon Wicks
This needs to be the week Leo gets the Nail in the Nose
- Erle Stride
Hello from Norway
- @LarsenTweet
Well I have wasted an hour trying to fix a beta friendfeed problem with Twit Conversations
- Greg
w00t! hey guys, hows everyone doing?
- robby
Welcom, cool kids.
- Ken Sheppardson
Finally!
- Gavin
embeddable, cleaned out link: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
I am cool.
- archaictree
Full house today, should be good :)
- Simon Wicks
john dont get upset it will be ok
- Michael King
Hey guys.
- Daniel Rowley
To embed chat - http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- ralphsaunders
john is cool
- Kelly
I like Cool Art
- Michael Holzinger
you beat me chris! lol
- ralphsaunders
I love it when Calacanis is on...
- Jeff Carter
Leo: You potted down Patrick before - you have to pot him up
- Maxx Cho
Wow this is awesome. I hope you get Patrick to connect.
- David Ginsburg
evening folks
- Jamie
the album art is cool... i like
- Chris Heath
you dont' need a face Jason
- min
this is going fast & furious
- Chris
Has Patrick ever been on TWIT without audio problems?
- Keith Dishman
Patrick's off camera probably... screaming at his mic...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ask Jason about Poken and visiting Tokyo on this ep.
- LonelyBob
is leo recording?
- Chris Heath
ooo good point
- ralphsaunders
Yeah, he's recording.
- VariXx
Calacanis rulz
- The Dude Abides
patrick the unibomber
- Michael King
Patrick needs better tubes (internet tubes, that is)
- Devon Blugh
from twhirl
Everybody needs to make sure they have a full glass before the show proper starts.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wish I could tune in. But it's getting to late over here. Night.
- Mats
------ start of show -----
- Chris Heath
All things wine
- Ken Sheppardson
lol
- ralphsaunders
all things swine?
- ralphsaunders
peace! out!
- ralphsaunders
brain has the best hair out of everyone on the show today
- Michael King
Please don't say TWiT "jumped the shark", instead say "Leo fell off the ball". :)
- Kevykev
lol
- ralphsaunders
hair or razor sharp death head?
- Michael King
gr chat keeps scrolling up.... weird ¬_¬
- ralphsaunders
Hi from Brazil :)
- Daniel Wolff
Dont talk about the swine flu. This is twit not cnn. Leo FAIL
- The Dude Abides
ralphsaunders, once you get to the bottom keep your mouse over the comment box
- Chris Heath
Would you like some cheese with your swine?
- zephyrlily
bacon!
- Simon Wicks
ah.... :/ But im browsing the web at the same time.... it didn't do this a few weeks ago :(
- ralphsaunders
But swine flu is trending on...Twitter.
- Kevykev
kevykev... NOOOOOOOO!
- ralphsaunders
ralph, do you have the chat popped out?
- Simon Wicks
Yay! Smart people this week!
- Christian Collins
It's, like, science. Not quite tech... but then neither is wine tasting. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
uh I have the embed version in the all in one sidebar
- ralphsaunders
Ralph: regrets, but it's true: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Kevykev
whats the google maps links?
- Alan Burchill
All the more reason to hide in your bunker with your webcam.
- Ken Sheppardson
lol not sure my room counts as a bunker.
- ralphsaunders
Shaking hands transmits more germs than full on kissing
- Russell Buckley
so, what happens if you get it?
- Bob
you could die
- ralphsaunders
I hear this strain's also transferable via Twitter
- Ken Sheppardson
ruh roh
- ralphsaunders
Delicious TWiT stories: http://delicious.com/twit/192
- Chris Heath
So kiss more, shake hands less.
- Kevykev
Can I listen online on iPhone?
- Pavel Perez
Can I comment in the mini window
- Alex E Yockey
... not good news.
- ralphsaunders
Don't hundreds die of flu each year in the US?
- Ken Sheppardson
Amusing video about spreading germs http://www.metacafe.com/watch...
- Russell Buckley
he's in his garage
- Simon Wicks
yeah but normal flu is different
- ralphsaunders
manflu ?
- Simon Wicks
Normal flu has a vaccine
- Alex E Yockey
Leo it is the young people who usually get infected rather than the aged since they have not built up immunity
- Greg
My company has purchased Tamiflu for every single employee
- Alex E Yockey
Tamiflu is apparently effective but needs to be taken within 48 hours of onset
- Greg
well it hasn't made its way to the south west of the UK yet...
- ralphsaunders
"As of June 19, 2008, 83 deaths associated with laboratory-confirmed influenza infections have occurred among children aged < 18 years during the 2007--08 influenza season that were reported to CDC." - http://www.cdc.gov/flu...
- Ken Sheppardson
Nah, macs don't get virus's :P
- ralphsaunders
Not that's not swine flu, that's a normal year
- Ken Sheppardson
but Mac's they get malware...
- Alan Burchill
her audio is dropping out
- Alan Burchill
organising bookmarks time :P
- ralphsaunders
The U.S. death toll surged fourfold from 16,263 in 1976-77 to 64,684 in 1998-99, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. Flu deaths now average about 36,000 a year, up from 20,000 in previous estimates, the CDC said. -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...
- Ken Sheppardson
BINGO! Twitter.
- Kevykev
lol infowars... :-)
- Chris Heath
^-- that CBS article is from 2003
- Ken Sheppardson
Conspiracy? Seriously? How stupid are these people who believe this stuff
- Ghworg
Well......
- ralphsaunders
people sneeze without covering all the time in public. I think I will run the opposite way now...
- Ken Bernard
Government needs to issue level-4 bio-hazard suits to all citizens, NOW!!! (phil runs to the hills with arms flailing)
- Phil Essing
I doubt those masks would do much for pollution
- Greg
We need biohazard snuggies
- Ken Sheppardson
air tight homes
- Ken Bernard
great insights brian
- Chris Heath
Sorry to say, but the internet is only spreading hysteria, and not information, with respect to this non-pandemic
- Phil Essing
Wait... WHAT?!?! BS on TWitter?!
- Ken Sheppardson
no
- Chris Heath
the internet is help, i think..without it we probably wouldnt know and things could be worse.
- Ken Bernard
what's the significance of the colors on the map?
- Xenophrenia
what time is this meant to start? or did I miss it already?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: started at 3ish
- Ken Sheppardson
(now 3:44)
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo: They hate you.
- Ken Sheppardson
twit-conversations hello
- Daniel Wolff
from IM
its 23:44 here :)
- Nick Halstead
Ya Leo has been blacklisted
- Greg
not a single swine-flu related death in north america, and we're already using words like "panic" and "pandemic"... sigh
- Phil Essing
it started officially at 25 after
- Chris Heath
yay! new topic
- Phil Essing
for up-to-date stories about the flu -> http://outbreak.tweetmeme.com/
- Nick Halstead
(apologies for outrageous plug) :P
- Nick Halstead
This Week in TwiTter
- Kevykev
twitter talk!
- robby
AuctionDrop FTW
- Ken Sheppardson
kiwi has to learn to speak down the barrel of the mic
- Greg
Wash your hands.
- Ken Sheppardson
AUDIO!!
- Alan Burchill
dont use amtibaterial soap
- Greg
audio keeps failing
- Simon Wicks
Yeah, ANTI-bactiaral would be the way to go.
- Ken Sheppardson
yay alcohol
- Chris Heath
twit-conversations let´s get the bugs drunk :)
- Daniel Wolff
from IM
dont touch your eyes unless you have washed your hands
- Greg
dont know how well that antibaterial soap works
- Greg
argh... i was rubbing my eye when you said that..
- Alan Burchill
Fist bump.
- Ken Sheppardson
Flu isn't caused by bacteria.
- Phillip Stewart
Our increasing use of anti-bacterial products is double-edged sword, as it will likely help create more resistant bacterial strains
- Phil Essing
i agree phil
- Ken Bernard
Awesome! Just foundout how to listen online on iPhone... Downloaded the app FStream and added the radio with URL http://twit.am/listen and works like charm! Listening now... Great show BTW...
- Pavel Perez
pavel, or you could get the twit.am iphone app
- Chris Heath
I rarely get sick, and I attribute it to not spending much time in planes, never touching anything in public washrooms, and washing my hands often, throughout the day
- Phil Essing
When did MS start selling computer hardware other than mice and keyboards unlike Apple who do sell the o/s and hard ware
- Greg
yeah, I was just about to say twit.am
- Matthew
Bookmarks = Organised
- ralphsaunders
greg, xbox
- Chris Heath
true
- Greg
where the heck is Pat Norton broadcast from there? Al Bundy's garage?LOL
- john crane
You can also listen using Null River's Tuner. On fStream it appears you can record incoming audio. I'm testing it now.
- Gregg Scott
I don't hear anything
- Matthew
we are back
- ralphsaunders
the twit.am iphone app is the best way to listen to twit... also has a lot of other stuff... the twit calendar, links and the irc chat too
- Chris Heath
Can't hear the Audible example
- Patrick Sullivan
Leo, the original name of the Chilean Sea Bass was the, "Patagonian Toothfish"
- Gabe
is there any shots our vacsaines avalebel 4 the swane flue yet
- daveccorey
Yeah, there are some audio switching issues. Ustream's getting all the audio.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is there anyway to get the real-time pop-out mini window in FF Beta?
- Matthew
@Matthew Click on the timestamp for the post, then again when the single page comes up
- Glenn Slaven
twit-conversations In Minority Report, Tom Cruise couldn´t enter in the room with the psychics using his eye... C´mon, in the future, if he already was being searched for the Police, his authorization had to be expired earlier that moment ;)
- Daniel Wolff
from IM
Yeah, it's not a mini-window, but a dedicated window for the thread
- Phil Essing
paul @catherine_hall
- Chris Heath
Is this a commericail still?
- Greg
Thank Glenn. Wish they would add the avatars like they have in the old way, and also scroll down.
- Matthew
Greg: yup
- Ken Sheppardson
well, sorta
- Ken Sheppardson
here's a link so you don't have to click the timestamp twice: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
This Week in Wine... here we go.
- Jason Calacanis
welcome jason!
- Chris Heath
Yo, Jason. Welcome.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is Gary's wine.com Gary VEE?
- Francine Hardaway
*fist bumps jason*
- Chris Heath
nice, one of the TWi
- Matthew
this week in audible, lol
- Jamie
It's indistinguishable from an Audible commercial.
- Ken Sheppardson
TWiT 193: Swine Tasting
- Phil Essing
said this in irc. call the table read : this week in table reads aka twitr
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
What happened to the Apple vs MS story?
- Greg
cool to have one of the TWiT guests post in FF
- Matthew
Looks neat - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- ralphsaunders
oh back on track
- Greg
TWiT 193: Wine Swine
- Alan Burchill
I think it's okay to talk about books
- Francine Hardaway
These companies always act like that. Look at MS and Sony in the console space trying to talk about how well they're doing, even though the Wii is kicking butt.
- Matthew
Wall Street's expectations are ridiculous. It's not good news.
- Francine Hardaway
Ummm... is this now TWiB? (This Week in Booze?) ;-)
- Fritz Wonnacott
Leo Apple makes money on hardware How much OSX did they sell?
- Greg
downtown minneapolis last night. i swear 1/4 people had iPhones out messing around
- john crane
Perhaps it's the other 297million people in the country who are suffering.
- Ken Sheppardson
People disconnect their land lines and cable, and hang on the iPhone
- Francine Hardaway
Hey Jason... I Need a job... know anyone hiring?
- Fritz Wonnacott
This Week in Elitism ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
network/communication is important
- Chris Heath
iPhones are the new laptops
- Matthew
Right, kshep
- Francine Hardaway
Is Norton in his Moms basement??? hahaa
- john crane
no... netbooks are the new laptops
- Alan Burchill
New laptops? Wow... I have one. Try typing fast on an iPhone... not happening!
- Fritz Wonnacott
iPhone are the new walkman
- Alan Burchill
Someone in irc indicated that MS has announced pricing for Win7
- Greg
Is this latency or is everyone talking at once?
- Francine Hardaway
thats becuase they dont have landlines in india
- Alan Burchill
ok - http:/live.twit.tv not working for me... or am I looking at the wrong thing now :)
- Nick Halstead
i'll keep my fridge, kthx
- Phil Essing
Yeah, those are people who now have phone service for the first time ever.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have landlines, just those specific people didn't. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
fritz I can do 50 wpm on the iPhone. definitely serviceable
- Jamie
The size of the market for ANYTHING in India is huge.
- Francine Hardaway
Netbooks = people realizing they don't need 4GB, 3MHz, and a 1TB computer to browse the web and run Quicken.
- Ken Sheppardson
India has a shortage of everything -- including schools for all the people who want to be educated
- Francine Hardaway
Does the TWiT conversations group show up for anyone body in their list of subscribed groups in the Beta? It doesn't for me but it's there in the regular FF.
- Matthew
Dell Mini 9 are $50au in Australia with Vodaphone
- Alan Burchill
State of the art PC technology from 2005 (i.e. a 2009 netbook) is probably sufficient for what 90% of the population does on a computer
- Ken Sheppardson
Matthew beta friendfeed has a problem with Twit Conversations.,. it will not show up in the separate Groups catergory
- Greg
thanks Greg.
- Matthew
who is this Catherine Hall? what ignorance. 16% unemployment in CA, try 11%, not good but way off. and we don't need refrigerators? really?
- Matt
spent an hour on it today
- Greg
Yo dawg, I heard you like netbooks.
- Matthew
TWiT Conversations is showing up in beta.ff for me. I have it in my home
- Ronald Hahm
No way can Apple build a <$500 computer.
- Ken Sheppardson
Why should they.... Dell Mini 9 cost $200us and it run OSX fine...
- Alan Burchill
Hey WSJ is reporting that Facebook will open up core site features to 3rd party devs tomorrow
- Francine Hardaway
I can see apple coming into the market at 599
- Jamie
thats the price of a mac mini right
- Jamie
Apple would be affecting their bottom line
- Greg
They could if they take the Apple name off of it that alone adds hundreds of dollars lol
- Gary Prechtel
But $599 isn't a netbook.
- Ken Sheppardson
you define netbook by price?
- Jamie
surely its by formfactor
- Jamie
For $1200
- Greg
tho you can be sure apple wont call it a netbook
- Jamie
Jamie: Yes. $599 is "ultraportable"
- Ken Sheppardson
how about the Sony Vaio P series? - is that a netbook then?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: No
- Ken Sheppardson
yes... must be cheap to be a netbook....
- Alan Burchill
doesn't use eink
- Phil Maxwell
to me its the form factor - not the price, so the P series still counts - even though its like £1500 for top model in UK
- Nick Halstead
Is the Air a netbook? Is the Dell Mini 12?
- Ken Sheppardson
the air is 13"
- Jamie
Netbook is about power and functionality, not price
- Alex E Yockey
nick completely agree
- Jamie
you will have cheap netbooks and expensive netbooks
- Jamie
Why sell a netbook when the iPhone is capable of so much already? And the new iPhone is supposed to be coming out this summer.
- Matthew
But price and feature set are tied together here... I mean why would you want a $599 machine that had a "netbook" feature set?
- Ken Sheppardson
Matthew thats why everybody talks about a tablet. It would be a jumbo iphone just as they are talking about.
- Alex E Yockey
You mean that random screen rumor?
- Ken Sheppardson
ken what is a netbook feature set?
- Jamie
A netbook isn't a natural evolution of the iPhone. Tablet, yes. Netbook, no.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yea I love that rumor. I would wait in line for that. Not the iPhone
- Alex E Yockey
apple's tablet will be more like the crunchpad i bet
- Chris Heath
Apple just have an iron fist.... where is the consumer choice!
- Alan Burchill
Jailbreak. Shhhhhhhhh
- Matthew
10-12" screen max, 2GHz CPU max, 1GB expandable to 2GB max, ~150GB HD/SSD, ~3-6hr battery life, <$500
- Ken Sheppardson
there is a netflix app
- zephyrlily
... no optical drive, webcam, optional WWAN
- Ken Sheppardson
Apple, like any other vendor, is not obliged to sell anything they do not wish to sell
- Phil Essing
Atari 2600? I loved ET the game.
- ZillaFan
in a years time your specs are outdated ken. do you still call it a netbook then?
- Jamie
They should do what MS are going to do with Phone Store...
- Alan Burchill
twit-conversations here in Brazil, the price of an IPhone is outreageous!
- Daniel Wolff
from IM
the netbook for me is ALL about form factor. the hardware specs just happen to fall within those boundaries because MS doesnt allow more powerful HW for the cheap XP license they sell the OEMs
- Jamie
But if Microsoft locked it down to only allow approved apps everyone would cry foul
- Alan Burchill
Everybody in the US and possibly Japan bought an NES, the rest of the world not so much.
- Ghworg
I really want to convert this game -> http://www.youtube.com/watch... (written like 15 years ago) to the iPhone
- Nick Halstead
sounds exactly what Windows Mobile v6.5 will be
- Alan Burchill
turn up jason his audio is very low
- Zach Scott
dont agree with jason here
- Jamie
Howdy FF twit peeps
- Gunnybear ™
hai
- ralphsaunders
form 4097b :-)
- Chris Heath
wtf a macbook pro
- ralphsaunders
I think it's 4097B Schedule B. Gotta make sure to fill out that worksheet.
- Ken Sheppardson
Who deternined what the billionth app was ..?
- Greg
¬_¬
- ralphsaunders
what happened to patrick
- Jamie
Apple Exec
- Greg
I love piwate bay
- Ghworg
Leo there is an appeal process in Sweden isnt there?
- Greg
greg, the billionth app purchase/download - computers count that,right?
- Chris Heath
Patrick's audio went all wonky when his mom started doing the laundry.
- Ken Sheppardson
slashdot story w/ lots of links, re: tpb (the pirate bay) http://news.slashdot.org/article...
- Chris Heath
<3 TPB
- ralphsaunders
bork bork bork
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
even being a member would seem to be a conflict to me
- Phil Maxwell
that judge made one of the laymen judges resign from the case because of a similar conflict of interest, but did not see his own
- Chris Heath
pirate bay is no more guilty than google
- Gunnybear ™
do tpb not host trackers? or just merely point to the torrent files
- Jamie
tpb is just the search engine they arent like demonoid
- Gunnybear ™
The movie is not great. I say they purposefully leaked it so they can chalk up a bad box office to the leak.
- Matthew
How come nobody sends the post office CEOs to jail because illegal dvds are bought and sold through the post?
- pmclem
will netflix be prosecuted because people copy those movies? how about redbox?
- Gunnybear ™
TPB has their own trackers.
- Matthew
Demonoid is awesome though :D
- ralphsaunders
If those tracks were on iTunes, you think they'd have as many downloads?
- Ken Sheppardson
ken, back then there was no itunes, but i see your point
- Chris Heath
and since iTunes is now drm free whay are purchases still tied to your library?
- Gunnybear ™
Does Christine Creative Commons everything?
- Ken Sheppardson
awesome cool sink design - http://dvice.com/archive...
- ralphsaunders
Didn't she just say they covered up her copyright?
- Phil Maxwell
Phil: Yes
- Ken Sheppardson
who is catherine hall and why is she on twit. is this twip now
- Zach Scott
Zach: This is TWiT, Catherine's one of five guests.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hulu is easier to use in the US. Torrents are still easier than getting around the geo-restrictions on hulu.
- Ghworg
only shows I toorent are bbc shows because bbc iplayer no workie in the US
- Gunnybear ™
just wondering. normally they a technology pundit on
- Zach Scott
It really kills me that people complain about the quest..... she said he covered here name and copyright sign on the photo, basically claiming it was their work.
- Michael King
Jason Calacanis completely blacks out international downloads. Hulu, ABC and the likes are _NOT_ available to non-US countries.
- Ian BERNARDO
definitely understand the bbc thing, I need primevil and robin hood
- Gary Prechtel
Dr who torchwood and top gear
- Gunnybear ™
ian its a bit like bbci player... that isn't avaliable outside the UK
- ralphsaunders
I thought Dr Who was aired on Sci-Fi. Or is it you can't wait for the new episodes?
- Matthew
right right but Dr who only has 3 mores specials this year b4 the new doctor starts
- Gary Prechtel
It was on sci-fi but the specials haven't been aired in the states as of yet
- Gary Prechtel
the the music biz is still dying
- Ken Sheppardson
if I could PAY to get BBC iPlayer to work for me I would do it
- Gunnybear ™
Does everyone really believe that people steal music because there isn't a reasonably priced alternative?
- Phil Essing
Phil: Depends on what you mean by "reasonable"
- Ken Sheppardson
she's an idiot
- patrick
When Radiohead offered their last album s a "pay what you want" download, most people paid zero and just downloaded it
- Phil Essing
if you really wanted you could use a proxy server so you could get the bbc player to work for you
- Gary Prechtel
how is that different than bittorrent Gary?
- Gunnybear ™
I think the problem of digital piracy says more about the moral decline of society
- Phil Essing
I think we've passed a crucial point - the pay for movie/music model is finished
- Jamie
i think people just do not want to pay for music that is no good. Good music is still making money its things like britney spears that are most pirated
- Michael King
and i dont think it has anything to do with the moral decline of society
- Jamie
seems like most people who steal digital content do so because paying nothing is more attractive than paying anything
- Phil Essing
There's some price at which 95% of the people downloading music illlegally would pay. 2-5cents... right... there's a curve.
- Ken Sheppardson
show much better than last week
- Gunnybear ™
when allofmp3.com existed I paid them instead of iTunes was I stealing? or just being a good shopper?
- Gunnybear ™
Gunny: I think part of it is they're talking about the stories and not themselves.
- Ken Sheppardson
GREED KEN
- Gunnybear ™
er agreed
- Gunnybear ™
its not I was just saying they have it on their website so I don't see a problem with getting from a torrent so we can watch it. Example is primevil is finally available to buy so I bought the first 2 seasons. When it comes to series tv I think it only promotes there shows.
- Gary Prechtel
twit-conversations how is Jay Leno, by the way? I´ve read somewhere he was in the hospital or something....
- Daniel Wolff
from IM
I watch movies via PPV or streaming from netflix now. I USED to download movies to watch them, but now that I have HDTV I want quality
- Gunnybear ™
when i hear people outraged at a song price-point of $1.29, when they claim $0.99 is more reasonable, I have to question how genuine they are being
- Phil Essing
Daniel he has/had food poisoning
- Gunnybear ™
daniel wolff, twit-conversations is a chat room for the live shows on the twit netcast network http://live.twit.tv
- Chris Heath
night night :P
- ralphsaunders
I dont even think its a question of price
- Jamie
Phil: Yeah, I'd say the demand curve's pretty flat in the $0.99-$1.29 range. Now if you cut that by an order of magnitude... it'd be a whole different ballgame.
- Ken Sheppardson
The problem is with the content owners. If they make it available through legitimate sources. The vast majority will pay.
- archaictree
gunny i agree i used to download movies then moved to netflix and haven't looked back. so much easy to pay for it then to hunt for a good copy on a torrent site
- Michael King
Jason: It ends up, like, on your blog though, right? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
now back in the day I was a Napster FREAK, but there wasnt anywhere to PAY for digital downloads at the time
- Gunnybear ™
Sure, Ken, but I wonder how low the price can be while remaining profitable
- Phil Essing
I use blockbuster through the mail how is the download on netflixs working for you people
- Gary Prechtel
ken, i think that jason basically uses posterous as a photoblog
- Chris Heath
if you take U2 as an example, they spend ridiculous sums of money to produce an album
- Phil Essing
Chris: Plus his emails
- Ken Sheppardson
Gary right now there isnt much streaming content, but wat is tehre looks great on my xbox 360
- Gunnybear ™
ken, i didn't know he put them up there... hmm
- Chris Heath
Thx Im waiting to switch until its better but worried about band caps if you watch a lot of movies
- Gary Prechtel
Ken, i have an xbox and never turn on the satelite anymore i almost always watch netflix.. good HD content if you have the bandwidth to support it
- Michael King
my parents will NEVER have a Twitter accounts
- Phil Essing
i said that about facebook phil
- Jamie
the audio just jumped up quite a bit... anyone else get that?
- Chris Heath
Yeah, I'm almost ready to turn off DirecTV. Between a little Netflix Roku box, Hulu and boxee, I get as much as I care to watch.
- Ken Sheppardson
now both of them are, and use it more than me :-)
- Jamie
definitely thinking about getting rid of cable
- Gary Prechtel
Cable/Sat still wins out on local content and sports. Once that goes streaming, they're done.
- Ken Sheppardson
Getting rid of cable next month.
- Francine Hardaway
what is the sports piracy situation like in the states?
- Jamie
true that
- Gary Prechtel
in the UK, ALL of the soccer games are on ustream
- Jamie
Gary funny story comcast was just here becuse they thought people were stealing our bandwidth cause of high usage, i had to explain that i live my life online. Streaming Video is running 24/7 here... they didnt like that to much
- Michael King
Sports Piracy?
- Alex E Yockey
the quality isnt fantastic, but 2 or 3 years and it will be
- Jamie
Jamie: CBS just streamed the entire college Basketball tournament for free
- Ken Sheppardson
i mean, live streaming of pay for sports events alex
- Jamie
Does anyone care enough to steal US sports?
- Alex E Yockey
Michael I got a call from cable last week used 450 gbs last month. I have to start using my dvd recorders now
- Gary Prechtel
DirecTV charges ~$150 (IIRC) for an entire season of NFL (american) Football... not sure if that gets restreamed illegally...
- Ken Sheppardson
Anyone check out the new Google logo is great - Samuel Morse's Birthday - 27th April
- pmclem
in the UK we pay up to $80 a month for access to about 5 live games a week. whereas you get all 15 games or so on Ustream, JustinTV etc
- Jamie
The majority of US sports are on basic free channels anyways
- Alex E Yockey
if the business model for pay sports crumbles, then the sport itself crumbles as it represents 80% of the income
- Jamie
perhaps this is exclusive to soccer then
- Jamie
Alex: ... subject to all the league's regional controls over what game can be shown where
- Ken Sheppardson
very true Ken
- Alex E Yockey
Twitter isn't a "social network" ala ning
- Ken Sheppardson
All the "micro twitter" we've had to date have basically failed: Pownce, Jaiku... Plurk to a large degree...
- Ken Sheppardson
really like the real time from friend feed much better than being on twitter
- Gary Prechtel
Public Access internet TV. Sweet :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
its the shape of things to come Ken
- Gunnybear ™
Yeup
- Ken Sheppardson
I missed most of this TWiT :(
- Gunnybear ™
This Week in Audible. First infomercial on the twit network.
- Ghworg
gunny well you can always catch a re-run/odtv.me/thepodcast
- Chris Heath
yeah I catch that via miro
- Gunnybear ™
Jamie I think it's about the commercials. We even have TV timeouts for commercials. It is super annoying when you're actually at the game.
- Alex E Yockey
ad revenue for sports isn't as important here
- Jamie
except the superbowl
- Gunnybear ™
Love talkshoe
- Matthew
que es talkshoe?
- Gunnybear ™
Gunny, it's basically a teleconference system
- Matthew
Possible show name: TWiT 192: Kipple & Bytes
- ZillaFan
gunny, it's kind of like a call screening online app
- Chris Heath
H OK
- Gunnybear ™
Like Gizmo
- Gunnybear ™
anyone can set up a conference room and people can call in or use a sip client
- Matthew
gizmo has confernce calling
- Gunnybear ™
too
- Gunnybear ™
talkshoe.com
- Matthew
does gizmo do screening?
- Chris Heath
Calliflower's also out there. Free conf calls.
- Ken Sheppardson
uh...
- Ken Sheppardson
last week didn't happen
- Matthew
i've seen that rock magic before
- Chris Heath
I dunno about screening
- Gunnybear ™
Sounds like the soundtrack from a Commodore 64 game
- Ghworg
Not many guys can pull off that look.
- Ken Sheppardson
Haha! Welcome to the Jungle midi style
- zephyrlily
TWiT 192: Welcome to the Jungle
- Ken Sheppardson
Would you like some cheese with your swine?
- zephyrlily
swine tasting
- Jamie
ZillaFan - *this* close ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
kipple and swine was the best. They got it backwards and ruined it
- Alex E Yockey
------ end of show ------
- Chris Heath
was there any gillmor gang this weekend?
- Jamie
tomorrow at 7PM EDT
- Phil Essing
thanks phil
- Jamie
:)
- Phil Essing
What's John's last name? What NPR station is he with?
- Ken Sheppardson
didn't catch it ken... maybe at the end leo will have him plug his website or something (if he has one)
- Chris Heath
Yea wheres his lower third?
- Alex E Yockey
^ lol
- Jamie
Alex: He's not a "guest", per se. Leo's his :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
He's on camera ain't he?
- Alex E Yockey
I wish he would do the whole show like that
- zephyrlily
Hello John
- Matthew
How refreshing to hear your love of the internet and social media framed (or reframed) as a positive passion rather than a negative addiction. I'm SO glad to hear you talk about "loving it..."; how you "turn it on" when you get home from work. I'm the same way (altho' a consumer only, and not a producer). I don't need to berate myself for this (shared) passion...at least not to the same extent that I've been doing thus far; we ARE sitting in front seats to the "revolution," Leo. Thanks!
- Aviva Gabriel
I second that!
- Greg Louderman
---- Chats Dead Now ----
- ralphsaunders
The Gillmor Gang is starting live at http://live.twit.tv -- you can talk back to us live here:
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We're here.
- Robert Scoble
We see you.
- Cliff Gerrish
How 'bout over in Leo's room instead? http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Ken Sheppardson
cool. I'm ready.
- Wo
'cause we need, like 10 different threads...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hello! Thanks for the tweets I was going to miss the show.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nice - working well
- Devin Baines
Interesting...
- Stan Augustyniewicz
Can we do it in Leo's room instead??!?
- Ken Sheppardson
great quality of the video feed! Your head is on my wall Robert, its about half a meter high
- Lasse Johnsen
I'm watching Leo's room too.
- Robert Scoble
One Question: Friendfeed Beta + 1 week. Have you all made the switch? I have a hard time switching from the old interface which I find more conversation centric (and makes me feel less in twitter)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I never cared for the old one a whole lot.. this is much nicer
- Aaron
The more the merrier! Conversations galore!
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Nerds!
- Lasse Johnsen
Come join us here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Robert Scoble
Psst.. over here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Ken Sheppardson
Is this one dead?
- Wo
No.
- Robert Scoble
This is going to make me seasick... sigh. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Everyone looks great!
- Joe Lima
We see your video. Looks like two open video streams for people who aren't there.
- Louis Gray
i am still having trouble bridging twitter/FF, because I cannot bring my tweetstream over here, forcing me to go back and forth.
- Karoli
Thrillling conversation taking up three mediums?
- Francine Hardaway
I like this program
- Johni Fisher
Loving the streaming comments, but they need add a comment link to the bottom of comments. I have t keep scrolling up to comment.
- Joe Lima
Enjoying watching and listening as I prepare tax returns (I'm a CPA).
- Ron Lewis
this is great
- Chris Strange
yes Joe u r right
- Johni Fisher
is this the right feed for the live show?
- Jeff Johnson
@Ron Lewis: How's your tax beard coming along this year?
- Mark Czerniec
Jeff: a better one is: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Robert Scoble
is this a free form show?
- Scott Lackey
Robert: tell ff to add a comment link at bottom of comments.
- Joe Lima
Scott: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Robert ..about what r u going to talk ? :-)
- Johni Fisher
@Joe I second that opinion
- Blake
http://www.wikio.com/ news 2.0
- Donnie Murdock
Here's Glenn Greenwald's Salon piece: "New and worse secrecy and immunity claims from the Obama DOJ" http://bit.ly/uT0z6
- Mark Czerniec
http://www.newsvine.com/ msnbc's news 2.0 site not as good as wikio
- Donnie Murdock
Exactly, Scoble
- Joshua Dale
well you know Obama with that Visa court legislation?
- Matt Searles
I still trust the Oministration over the bushministration on warrent-less wiretaps
- Joe Lima
Main thread is here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, wow, this is confusing - multiple conversations for one program.
- Joe Lima
this show has devolved into non-tech
- Joshua Dale
Joe: join us here. http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: thanks. I am there.
- Joe Lima
News Gang Live?
- Michael
politix schmolitix
- John Moore
This FriendFeed is just so complex - but its leo's latest obsession
- stephen
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