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Microsoft, Yahoo Reach Web Search Deal - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
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"Microsoft Corp. has finally roped Yahoo Inc. into an Internet search partnership, capping a convoluted pursuit that dragged on for years and setting the stage for them to make a joint assault against the dominance of Google Inc."
- Oguz Serdar
from Bookmarklet
What 'Microhoo' means for Google - http://money.cnn.com/2009...
- Oguz Serdar
The Microsoft-Yahoo Deal: Lessons for Startups - http://www.businessweek.com/smallbi...
- Oguz Serdar
I do not think they will be better than google But we shall see
- Aaron Thorn
View from my room - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Wow
- Aaron Thorn
It just needs that sunset from the other day and it would be perfect
- Jesse Stay
Heheh @kylemacdonald I remember when my blog readers used to bash me for talking about Twitter too much. Remember that? More about why:
paul mooney, Ben Hanten, Chris Loft and 5 other people liked this
I used to talk about Twitter every day to my blog readers back in 2007 (and Facebook too). That's what I do. I tell you what the best new stuff in my life is, and I get passionate about it. Today FriendFeed's technology is WAY better than Twitter's for a whole lot of reasons. So, I will talk about it now and I really don't care that you don't like it.
- Robert Scoble
Where's Dvorak lol don't mention Twitter around him
- Robert Burgin
Tomorrow if something else even better comes out, I will talk about that as well, to the chagrin of my FriendFeed followers who will quickly get sick of hearing about it thanks to the aggregating feature here.
- Robert Scoble
It's the cycle of life. I always push the best of breed. If you can't handle the best of breed, don't follow me. It'll just frustrate you.
- Robert Scoble
I learned how to post to my feed and groups and cc Twitter recently. I think Im posting 90% of the time here instead of Twitter now.
- beersage
Selling my i phone 3gs Just send me a e mail at thorntec@gmail.com
- Aaron Thorn
but I like just arguing about your latest fad with you!!!!
- Rachel Clarke
Aaron: you've been warned. If you post off topic in my items again you'll get blocked.
- Robert Scoble
Rachel: yes, well, arguing is fun! It's how people figure out the truth.
- Robert Scoble
Scobes: how do we get more people onto Friendfeed then? I wanted to share a wine article but couldn't find a decent active wine group on here. Need more people to FF to flourish.
- beersage
beersage: yeah, that takes time. Build a room. Bring good wine content into it, and slowly the people will show up. I still need to get GaryVee into here. Getting people to change behavior is VERY difficult. That's why I think Facebook is going to win this battle.
- Robert Scoble
At least until FriendFeed finds a way to change the game in a way that Facebook isn't willing to replicate.
- Robert Scoble
I can't see Gary not trying this he is so pumped to try new things to drive his business
- Robert Burgin
Do you think friendfeed will overtake twitter and then facebook? My money is on friendfeed!
- Craig Shipp
Craig: nope, not with its current form. They need to do some serious stuff that's different than Facebook and Twitter. I think the themes are a very serious hint of what's to come.
- Robert Scoble
I resisted using twitter for a year before I finally succumbed - because of its 'silly' name - I was lost for three weeks when I first signed up nearly two years ago - now one of my twitter accounts is taking over my life - and it's all your fault Robert Scoble.
- Chris Loft
johnpiercy: that's what I've said many times here. The FriendFeed mobile experience is non-existent. I know Robert likes their iPhone mobile web page. But I'm sorry, when you're used to superior custom apps for Twitter and then you look at that joke of a mobile web page, no wonder people walk away. Now, this is a bit of a chicken & egg situation. Getting developers to make a kick-arse...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
Now, as to FriendFeed taking on Twitter and Facebook. Facebook is really a very different beast than FriendFeed. I don't see that happening. Twitter, on the other hand, is ripe to be destroyed. It's overrun by spambots these days. It's extremely frustrating to actually converse with people there due to the 140 character limit and lack of proper conversation flows. And it just overall...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
The Hulu of Movies? Verizon Customers Get it First - http://mashable.com/2009...
Selling my i phone 3gs Just send me a e mail at thorntec@gmail.com
- Aaron Thorn
now if only comcast didn't have a monopoly on providing cable here
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
Selling my i phone 3gs Just send me a e mail at thorntec@gmail.com
Robert Burgin liked this
Why are you spamming unrelated threads with this solicitation?
- Tinfoil 2.0
just wanting to help people out I understand that people are looking for them
- Aaron Thorn
from email
it's one hundred and how many degrees today? ha! could have fooled me in this..sweet...cool...office!
Selling my i phone 3gs Just send me a e mail at thorntec@gmail.com
- Aaron Thorn
Ahh @toomers says that AT&T is in the right for blocking Google's world domination strategy. Me? I prefer open platforms, not lockin.
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Here Here
- Mark
I'm with you.
- shaun mclane
from iPhone
Apple and AT&T have never been accused of openness to my knowledge!
- Curt
Curt: that's true, but Apple is pretty close with its developer platform. Unfortunately decisions like these are showing it's not open at all. Will 2010 be like 1995 for Apple? We're just one great device away from a lot of developers sliding off iPhone's platform.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like Twitter :-)
- Jesse Stay
I got a kick ass piece of technology, heavily subsidized by the manufacturer and cell phone company (here in Australia). Expecting full and unfettered access is naive. Not saying it's right, but if I bought the phone outright and not on a plan, I would have a more solid base to argue from.
- Johnny
Robert: I forgot to mention I was posting from my Palm Pre ;-)
- Curt
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- Aaron Thorn
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- Aaron Thorn
Foxconn Increases Compensation For iPhone Suicide Employee's Family - Foxconn suicide - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5324967...
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- Aaron Thorn
Can AT&T Handle The iPhone? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Ryan Whitwam, John Park, Dan Hsiao and 7 other people liked this
Is AT&T in denial? No, I think that they think we just can’t handle the truth. And I think that truth is that they can’t handle the iPhone, anymore.
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
AT&T is terrible. I'm waiting for Verizon.
- Trent Hamm
AT&T definitely can't handle the iPhone. They are dropping the ball all over the place. FAIL for AT&T. I hope Apple moves the iPhone to another provider asap.
- Oracio
I just do not understand the at&t thinking
- Aaron Thorn
Isn't this easy to proof? If Google Voice is still available on outside USA app stores then it was AT&T.. if not then... Or was the app only available in USA anyway?
- jkkmobile
First Impressions: Google Voice - http://paulstamatiou.com/first-i...
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Google Voice not allowed on iphone app store. Haha! I guess all those iphone users paying $130+ per month on their iphone plans, with a 2-year contracts, will have to eat it.
- Charbax
So far I am really enjoying Google Voice, the translation of voice into text messages and emails is amazingly accurate (though far from perfect) and it makes it far easier to manage my transitions from office to mobile to other temporary states. No surprise that AT&T will fight it - and let's remember who's helping them to do so. Apple's seductive, but ultimately there's a price to pay for seduction.
- John Blossom
Well i have a iphone 3gs and i just got a google voice number But thanks to apple i can use it with my i phone
- Aaron Thorn
Yes it does link into gmail contacts
- Kashif Khan
also consider unVOXT, which has outbound and portability covered or otherwise makes them about as N/A as they can be. Way to go GV for raising awareness.
- TransContext Steve
Google Voice iPhone app rejected, current GV apps lose connection with iTunes - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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Just wait for it to launch on Cydia.
- wiredgnome
When apple does things like this it makes me want to go to a blackberry
- Aaron Thorn
Fox: Basically anything that the app store rejects you will find on Cydia. But I'm not a jailbroken user.
- wiredgnome
Anyone know how long it's taking to get a Google Voice invite?
- ChiliMac
Chilimac: There are a few FF users who have a few.
- wiredgnome
Just look around and you will find one i'm sure.
- wiredgnome
Busted! Thieves Caught by MobileMe's Find My iPhone - http://mashable.com/2009...
SteVe "Glory Juice" C, Geoff Schultz {TF}, Gil and Aaron Thorn liked this
Now thats some good news
- Aaron Thorn
WOW..That's something...
- Anurag Bansal
A Dirty Mind - http://9gag.com/gag/178
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That's What she Said.
- TheHenry
lol
- Aaron Thorn
see what? that someone put that hot dog on some silly bed of greens? *and* then is adding ketchup?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hahahaha
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Consumers Don’t Care About Smartphones - http://jkontherun.com/2009...
Kol Tregaskes, Brian, Rodfather and 2 other people liked this
Really? Why did I have to wait in line to buy my iPhone?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I run in to this all the time - most people don't "get" smartphones. Surprisingly, even at IT companies I've found most people just aren't that interested.
- Chris Rogers
Funny consumers always copy early adopters. Always.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The motivation behind my choice of the Jack was its being a smartphone.
- Jack&Cleo
Average Consumers may not care about smart phones specifically but many want mobile devices.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I had no desire to own a smartphone before my company provided me with a Blackjack II when I started working there late last year. Now I can't live without it but prior to that I had a basic LG phone that I was very happy with. When I leave here and have to give the Blackjack back I don't know if I'll go back to a regular personal phone or get a smartphone. I think they're overkill for the average consumer.
- DB - Just DB
This isn't true in my case. I work at a high school and I have teachers and staff constantly asking me about phone features and plans. A large number of them really want the features of a smartphone but are just limited by the data plan costs. Maybe it's because they see me using these features as part of my job, I am their early adopter to model after in many ways.
- Ryan Massie
Apple is (obviously) going in the right direction with smartphones by making the "smart" less complicated. Eventually the "smart" part of the phone will be completely transparent. The majority of people still won't know or care that they have a smartphone, but they'll use the features and (like the early adopters) will find they can't live without them.
- Chris Rogers
Robert, Read the entire article. "Regular" consumers are buying cool phones, they don't care about the "smartphone-ness" of it. They aren't even aware of what smartphones can do, they are buying phones and then discovering (or sometimes not even then) what cool things they can do. Make no mistake how much of an early adopter you are, Robert.
- James Kendrick
from email
An example- my kid's friend came over recently. Saw my Palm Pre and pulled his own out. Said how much he loved the Pre. I asked him how he liked webOS and he responded (with a blank stare)- "what's that?" It's a phone, not a webOS smartphone.
- James Kendrick
I agree. I think the smartphone without the complications a lot of folks associate with smartphones will end up being the killer app/device that really brings average consumers in droves. That and price point. iPhones are nice but they're sill a bit pricey. Plus the data plans are still cost prohibitive for a lot of folks (myself included).
- DB - Just DB
So what if they don't understand that it's a category of phone. What they do understand and want is that they can put apps on it and it gets internet. They want the things that make it a smartphone.
- Ryan Massie
James: I've had this same argument 100 times in my career. I remember people saying the same things about PCs in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I get what you're saying, you're missing what I'm saying. People are buying the PHONE and then discovering what it can do. Not buying the smartphone just to get the features. It's about marketing and the way consumers work. Not you, not me or other folks familiar with the features, regular "street" people.
- James Kendrick
All i can say is i do not think i could live without my iphone 3gs
- Aaron Thorn
Seems like there's a cycle of breakdown between the developers, adopters, marketers & consumers. Even standard features get rebranded and commoditized to the point of confusion across all lines.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
Just about all my friends aren't exactly tech savvy and don't care about smartphones. They care about the network more and most have Verizon. Their upgrade was the cheapest phone with a nice keyboard and a camera and are totally fine with that.
- Rodfather
If anything the data plan scares most away. That's the point where they decide if browsing the web is worth it and in most cases it isn't. A phone that can text message easier than the previous phone is good enough.
- Rodfather
Rodfather is absolutely right about data plan costs. Free WiFi everywhere (or a low cost NetZero type model) would really explode the smartphone, umpc and car markets (if they every became a reality). Lobbyists for the carriers will never let it happen though even though it would be one of the most innovative changes in the US in decades.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
POLL: Friendfeed or Twitter and Why?
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Hmm...Twitter is more a place where I can post random stuff to friend and messages. Friendfeed is where I come for news and cool geeky stuff.
- Manuel Mas
Friendfeed Well because its fast
- Aaron Thorn
FriendFeed, because not only can I connect with cool peeps, but I can also easily converse with them using threads in realtime. I can also share rich media where necessary.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Twitter scares me.
- Heather Rantypants
viva FF, coments, rss, ppl, conversation, &, if you so chose, you can feed it to twitter to make your twit posse jealous :)
- chaz2b
Oi oi, what have we got here then? http://twitpic.com/8ujyt
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TheHenry liked this
Nothing better than a iphone 3gs
- Aaron Thorn
TheHenry to TheHenry's feed, Google Wave, All Things Google, Google Apps, Technology News, Technology at Play
Google Wave coming, could change communications as we know it - http://dvice.com/archive...
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I just want a invite
- Aaron Thorn
Me too Aaron. :)
- TheHenry
I must say i am looking for a invite to google voice also !!!!!!!
- Aaron Thorn
I might have bought my last iPhone. Here's why: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009... Well, that and AT&T sucks. Dropping calls all the time now.
Stephen M. Otto, Kenneth Younger, wiredgnome and 60 other people liked this
still looks like the iPhone's ugly sister
- Roger Oldham
HTC Hero is the the one to keep an eye on. However AT&T will get this issues resolved, just going through growing pains with the recent success of the iPhone 3GS and other smartphones. I wouldn't leave just yet.
- Sloan Bowman
Looks like a nice phone !!!! but i do not think i will give up my iphone
- Aaron Thorn
Roger: it feels like 1993 to me. Remember that year? The Macintosh was WAY ahead of Windows. But here Google is catching up quickly thanks to having an ecosystem that's building Android in. It's the ecosystem that's getting me interested.
- Robert Scoble
I'm already looking for excuses to switch thanks to AT&T
- Jesse Stay
Well, that and the fact that AT&T is so bad.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Google services (like Gmail, calendar etc), using an Android device is a brilliant experience. Everything syncs. Check out the Hero. I'm waiting for the HTC 'lancaster' -- or, indeed, anything with a physical QWERTY keyboard.
- Ewan MacLeod
Robert since when do you base your choices on looks? What whats should be foremost what matters. Agreed?
- Sloan Bowman
is the iphone screen big enough to watch videos on it whilst, say, sitting on an exercise bike at the gym
- Mark
The Hero UI reminds me too much of Palm Pre, my girlfriend has the Pre and it's absolutely terrible. I don't see why so many people were excited about it.
- Colin Anawaty
Colin: Were is the keyword there ;-)
- Sloan Bowman
At&T was the deal-breaker for me, but then I actually like my G1. Android app still lag well behind iPhone apps tho...
- Curtis Phillips
Trouble is that with GSM in the U.S. you have a choice of AT&T (bad) and T-Mobile (worse). We switched to Nokia E71 over a year ago and haven't looked back. Free tethering with JoikuSpot, too.
- Ward Mundy
Ryo: I agree the iPhone simply is a very limited device. I'm a huge Symbian fan but Android is my number 2 pick by a long shot. I don't care about appearance. I want power and freedom to get the job done. The iPhone simply can't stand with the others when it comes to that.
- Sloan Bowman
HTC can make anything look good
- Kashif Khan
Ryo: what happened in 1994? Windows NT. What happened in 1995? Windows 95. Game over, Microsoft took over from Apple's lead. Same is happening here.
- Robert Scoble
where does rim fit into this discussion?
- Tobias Lewsadder
I just want a android phone which has working 3g with AT&T. Just need Lancaster (Memphis) to come out
- Ryan
all the best apps and games are on Iphone though, not other platforms
- Mark
Patrik -- the apps will come-a-stormin' as people adopt.
- Ewan MacLeod
N97? Anyone? :)
- Holger Eilhard
Sloan: Symbian is dead. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
N97 lacks native SIP.
- Ward Mundy
Robert: sure, that bit is interesting... be great if they focused a tiny bit more resource on the industrial design & UX tho'
- Roger Oldham
RIM is fine as long as it continues to have the best keyboard and Exchange integration. But I think long term it has problems too.
- Robert Scoble
Holger: have you actually used an N97? Sorry, isn't even in the game.
- Robert Scoble
Why Rob? business people always need to email and thats awesome with blackberry
- Mark
Pretty damning comment for poor Nokia!
- Ewan MacLeod
To me it's a Palm/iPhone/Android world now. The rest have to get on board (IE, compete!) or go away.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was referring to your comments about the N97 a few months ago. :-)
- Holger Eilhard
really thinking about buying one. the fact that it doesn't have to be bought at one provider is rather nice.
- Pim de Groot
"Palm/iPhone/Android world"... certainly true in the U.S.
- Ward Mundy
Is Nokia's OS miles behind Apples?
- Mark
Looks nice. Love my iPhone I just wish I could get my MMS pictures without the dreaded Failure encountered during view message errors
- Matthew Noreen
in my consultingi have always pointed people towards the iphone for fun and personal use and the blackberry for business purposes. does the pre or any android based phone fit in the middle?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Re: Palm/iPhone/Android - No Sh!t - that is an understatement.
- Don Strickland
I've always wanted an iPhone, but have no AT&T coverage. Now that they've bought Alltel assets, they should be coming here, but are likely 2 years out. That leaves me with Verizon. Android also intrigues me, but until they get a device on Verizon, I'm still out of luck.
- Shawn Kirsch
Holger: I thought they woudl do a better job on the OS. I also didn't expect iPhone 3GS to come along or the Palm Pre to turn out as nice as it did. I also didn't expect that Google would be able to excite developers. All of which are bad trends for Nokia.
- Robert Scoble
Of course nokia if they were in this thread would say "we sell a zillion phones a day"
- Mark
Tobias: you're wrong there. iPhone works great for business too. The only question is whether you can get used to the optical keyboard. I type thousands of words a month on the iPhone. No RIM needed. Android, though, looks like it'll be my next phone, unless someone comes up with a game changer.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was waiting for that and no my friend its far from it ;-) But you can think that if you would like.
- Sloan Bowman
Mark: yeah, and DOS was once #1 too. Who cares?
- Robert Scoble
I tend to think Motorola, or any would-be smartphone manufacturer without an OS, should get down on its knees and thank Google for Android. And I'm still not sure Palm survives, even post-Pre.
- John Craft
Mark: From a UI standpoint absolutely. From a feature standpoint its been years ahead for a long time. Yes its has its problems but I can do so much more with my Symbian phones than I can with my flashy iPhone 3GS. I'm not biased just being honest from my perspective.
- Sloan Bowman
I actually asked you if I should get an iphone yesterday Rob and you said I had to decide myself. It's such a hard thing though.
- Mark
Google crippled SIP in Google Voice. Waiting to see if they do the same thing with Android.
- Ward Mundy
Robert: Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too? That's something that I was oblivious to when Android first hit the market.
- wiredgnome
Mundy: Crippled as in how? I love my GV
- Sloan Bowman
Crippled as in can't make a connection to GV via SIP.
- Ward Mundy
Sloan: I have a lot of Nokia phones too and have been a Nokia fan for a while (they still do better video) but the market does not care about having a Zeiss lens or MMS. Who cares? I watch teenagers in UK. They only text. The bleeding edge users are on the iPhone and Android. Developers like: http://www.youtube.com/scoblei... NRU. That app was built for Android first, then ported to iPhone. You can't do THAT with your N97.
- Robert Scoble
Amir: I think Android is going to get lots of business users excited. Just like Windows did in 1995. Apple's risk is that they didn't learn from 1994.
- Robert Scoble
Oh I played with an N97 (the guy wanted to sell me one so I wouldn't go to the O2 store for an Iphone) he said it was just as good. It wasn't, and it felt like a piece of shit
- Mark
"Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too?" - Amir, see http://www.youtube.com/watch... . I have my G1 syncing to a Google Apps account, and given the costs associated with licensing and supporting Exchange, Android + Apps is a threat to Microsoft and RIM. Gmail's contacts format needs more work, though.
- John Craft
Never trust "the guy" lol...
- Colin
robert: what about bis/bes? arent those important in the business environment?
- Tobias Lewsadder
The Android Samsung Galaxy looks quite good, and unlocked, but still over 400€.
- Nils Sandin
Well he was a salesman in a rival store :D
- Mark
Mark: I thought it felt good when I first saw it, but they didn't redo the OS deeply enough and didn't make the Web really usable, like iPhone does. That's why iPhone is taking over. As people move from texting-only to understanding the web is important part of their mobile device they need something usable. Nokia isn't usable. Period.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think Apple's mistake/risk in '94 will lead them to a different perspective on Android?
- wiredgnome
Android will revolutionise the enterprise because you can finally control the experience for the end-user. Imagine being able to take an HTC Hero and install a 'Citibank' approved and managed version of the Android OS.
- Ewan MacLeod
Yeah Rob, the problem is here in the UK, People like me don't want to CALL people anymore, we want to SMS people and we want to check Facebook on a nice browser on the phone.
- Mark
Robert: I hear you and trust me I know exactly what you mean. I'm amazed by the apps on my iPhone. I'm just trying to bring that into the Symbian world where its capable but has been neglected for so very long. I am able to share my life easily and with high quality with my Symbian devices. For me this is a powerful thing. You can do it on the iPhone but one app at a time ;-)
- Sloan Bowman
Amir: it doesn't look like it, because Apple is very secretive and very closed to outside innovation. But they do have the best developer platform out there (which shocks even the iPhone team internally). That's already one difference between 2010 and 1994. Apple pissed off developers back then and stopped focusing on them. Right now Apple is VERY focused on developers -- their ads show it.
- Robert Scoble
Discussions like this really show off the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Ward Mundy
God if Nokia came in this thread they could learn a thing or two from this one
- Mark
Amir: I think Android will overtake iPhone very soon if Apple doesn't change the way things are going. They are too closed about what they do and what they allow us developers to do. Its going to bite them.
- Sloan Bowman
Bingo!
- Ward Mundy
Mark: I wish they would. Doing my best to make sure that happens.
- Sloan Bowman
Nokia are reading, I guarantee it.
- Ewan MacLeod
Mark: Nokia doesn't care internally. THAT is the HUGE problem.
- Robert Scoble
Well they need to fucking care. I've played with their latest and greatest and its NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
- Mark
a game changer to me would be apple incorporating iwork into the iphone.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Mark: Nokia believes that having market share is all that matters, not in having OS leadership. They dropped the ball. I don't know if they will be able to find it again.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Correct. Do you think if Microsoft was in Apple's position [being oblivious to outside innovation] they [Microsoft] will be able to thrive like Apple did with the iPhone?
- wiredgnome
Robert - agreed. I had to give up my beloved iPhone because AT&T doesn't have service in my new home location. I even bought a cell booster to supposedly help but it didn't. No service at all but according to the AT&T coverage map, I'm in the "moderate" coverage area. Now I'm fighting the early contract cancellation due to no service. Sucks but I'm hearing a lot of AT&T coverage and dropped call issues lately. The woes of cell service and the electronic world - isn't it great?
- Sharon Dexter
Robert: Untrue, I know several people at Nokia that care immensely. They realize the problems but I don't think they have the expertise to see how to fix it yet. I know some very great minds are working on it.
- Sloan Bowman
Mark: now you are getting where I've been coming from for the past two years. There's a reason why I wait in line to buy iPhones when I get Nokia phones given to me to try.
- Robert Scoble
Sloan: well, Microsoft has the same problem. And, sorry, they don't communicate to the world that they care. They are arrogant and go on stage and poopoo the iPhone and Google. I was there in the audience when they announced the N97.
- Robert Scoble
And when people come to them and say they have a problem they hem and haw and don't admit they have a problem. I've heard this over and over from people who go to Nokia and meet with execs there.
- Robert Scoble
If they really thought they had a problem they would pull a Nokia and rebuild their OS from scratch. That's the only way they can solve this problem.
- Robert Scoble
Apostol: like I said, it's an iPhone/Palm/Android world until someone changes the game.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I had voiced this opinion as well, communication is key and they are getting better at it. Making a good presence on twitter and other networks with real people listening to real users.
- Sloan Bowman
But they paid good money for that OS.
- Ward Mundy
With RIM hanging on due to business users. Check this out: http://online.wsj.com/article...
- Robert Scoble
Sloan: nope, that won't help Nokia. I feel very happy with communication from Nokia. I get tons of devices to try. I get access to people. But the OS sucks and that won't stop being a problem. Nokia needs vision again and needs to ship a great product again.
- Robert Scoble
Nokia is just not the company i think about when i want a smartphone. they made good normal mobiles, but apple and HTC/android are the ones that pop into view when you want an internet phone.
- Pim de Groot
N97 just shows they finally caved to the providers.
- Ward Mundy
Apostol: What do you mean by that regarding the N97? What do you think is so bad about it?
- Sloan Bowman
What about screen size? I find the the screens on the iPod Touch too small already. Can't imagine having a smart phone with an even smaller screen. Will trend to bigger screens ever occur?
- Thomas Sheppard
Ward: just because you threw money down the toilet doesn't mean you should keep doing that. Palm learned that. Nokia will too.
- Robert Scoble
I'll take an open system any time over a closed one. And I think it sucks bigtime that Apple decides what carrier I use. It's a great piece if software, but it sucks as a mobile phone. Android and this Helios phone look promising.
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Couldn't be happier with E71. Over half my calls are SIP, and they're all free. All I need is WiFi.
- Ward Mundy
Good lord, Robert, this is you and me agreeing here :)
- Ian Betteridge
The game will change I agree but to what direction is anybody guess now. If you want my opinion it won't be Apple that does it. I'm actually surprised you like the iPhone at all Robert. You seem to be a multitasking kinda guy to me. At least very heavy into communications.
- Sloan Bowman
If you do decide to bail on the iPhone I'd be interested in the switching cost (the effort it took to move to a different mobile OS) and what kind of non-obvious lock-ins exist on the iPhone.
- scott anderson
Apostol: It has a great battery IMO. I push mine very hard and it last all day no problem. Are we going to get into the battery war here? G1 iPhone are you serious?
- Sloan Bowman
I agree there has to be an optimal screen size but in education they are talking about mobile learning using these phones (Mobiglam being an example of an early system) and I can't see it working on any smaller screens.
- Thomas Sheppard
Apostol: No its not blazing by any means but for me it gets the job done and done well. I am able to communicate via email (personal, Exchange) Sync my google contacts live with Google Sync over Mfe. Have twitter open if needed, chat and last and entire day doing it. Not to mention document my life with my wonderful photos and videos and push them to the web without touching a computer.
- Sloan Bowman
Ward, the E71 is a bit of a "hidden gem". For anyone wanting a "BlackBerry-like" phone with a keyboard, it's a really, really sweet phone.
- Ian Betteridge
Ward: Right there with you. Google voice and Gizmo SIP make an powerful combination. Of course other SIP providers are just as well.
- Sloan Bowman
google has a great opportunity with the chrome os and android. their flawless integration, if done right could be HUGE!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Bottom line I don't disagree things don't need to change with Nokia but I do disagree when people say they are worthless. The communication power of a Symbian powered device are endless. But trust me I'm up for any platform that can offer this to me. If that is Android, iPhone then i'll support it.
- Sloan Bowman
Great discussion. Here are perspectives from a few developers that may show some chinks in the iPhone's armor: http://furbo.org/2009... http://www.marco.org/143265621
- Sterling Zumbrunn
The industry is about choice. Open choices are always the best door to enter so you don't get hit in the ass by a door closing.
- Sloan Bowman
I find the iPhone much easier to program for than Android as I only have to test on a small set of models -- Android is not so simple, especially with these new hybridizations of the operating system. I'm worried it'll become as painful as Windows programming. That said, Apple really needs to fix the App Store approval process.
- Raj Advani
Raj, that's true now, but will it be so in the future? Apple is likely to follow the same slow-diversification path for the iPhone as it did for the iPod, I suspect.
- Ian Betteridge
indeed, plus the 3gs and 3g have enough differences that there are 3gs only apps. But i agree with Raj overall the hardware specs are the same
- Kashif Khan
jcunwired: Agreed but clearly stating that its dead is dead wrong. People said Mac was dead too remember. Look at it now, all it takes is innovation and dedication and we will have a more rounded solution. Call me overly optimistic but I have faith the Symbian Foundation will change things. If i'm wrong I will be the first to admit it. Trust me I have plans for a HTC Hero in the palm of my hand the day they come out ;-) I bought the iPhone 3GS a couple of weeks ago and like it but wouldn't say I love it.
- Sloan Bowman
Prasson: Oh I promise you the next iPhone will probably be incredible as far as hardware goes. Surely they will include a flash, surely right.
- Sloan Bowman
Still looks like he has to touch the screen multiple times to get things to happen. Same problem with Windows Mobile phones.
- Jeremy Gollehon
My 3G used to hold a rock solid signal. My 3GS is horrible. 20% drop rates confirmed by Apple Genius - they have a tool that can tell. This is my second one, the first was unbearable. I suggest everyone make an appointment with the Genius bar or drop into AT&T this week. Overwhelm Apple and AT&T with the complaints and testing. Maybe (probably not) it will get their collective attention if they have to spend an entire week troubleshooting.
- chris tirpak
Unlocked N97, baby!
- Thom Kennon
Didn't you say that when the Pre came out too? I think you may have "Oh Look! Shiny!" disease...
- Kevin (barely visible)
would verizon be the right answer for the iphone. every verizon phone i have played with was so locked down. i remember comparing my wifes razr to my brothers who is on verizon. it was a totally different os. will verizon give apple and the iphone users the freedom needed for a revolutionry product like the iphone?
- Tobias Lewsadder
With competition, Android phones will soon cost less than $200 towards $100 UNLOCKED, which is the real advantage here..
- Charbax
Also, in theory, Android phones should be able to run VOIP and IM only, with absolutely no Voice and SMS contracts needed, but only a month by month pre-paid data only plan required.
- Charbax
You can already do that in the UK, with a Skype Phone on the 3 network. Skype-to-Skype calls are free once you're bought the phone - you don't even need a data plan.
- Ian Betteridge
After using Iphone(1st gen,3g and 3GS) for nearly two years, I feel no other phone can beat it in browsing the web and it is more of information output device than data input device. The touch keyboard is still very usable to type. I have not used any other smartphones but I feel they lack the smoothness of the Iphone UI. It is not multitasking but the process of going to other program...
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- Ashish
Ian Betteridge, the Skyping that you are talking about is fake. You still need a voice and SMS contract plan. VOIP should be VOIP, it should be located on the data plan. In Europe we can have $20 month-by-month pre-paid only data plans, with absolutely no contracts just perhaps a 10GB or 20GB monthly data usage limit.
- Charbax
Android UI is not only developed by Google, but is now developed by thousands of embedded Linux engineers in each of dozens of companies. So obviously Android UI should provide the best possible UI. Anyways, all smartphone UIs are the same. What matters now is freedom to do what you want with your phone, and the price of these devices can only be brought down by increased competition. Android only enables that.
- Charbax
Try supporting this on your iPhone... without paying AT&T through the nose: http://mundy.org/whereib
- Ward Mundy
Texas Instruments OMAP3, Qualcomm Snapdragon, Freescale i.MX51 or Nvidia Tegra all would have been 3-4x more powerful ARM based processors. So I'd much rather have an ARM Cortex A8 based device. Lots of Android phones are coming out in the next few months by many other manufacturers than only HTC and Samsung.
- Charbax
Awesome thread. I'm struggling to find one device that does all I want. I'm testing a bunch right now (fringe benefit). 3GS is probably the best overall. Tweetdeck for iPhone is the koolest app I've ever used. Palm Pre has a slick UI and does great with Office 07 attachements, but apps are limited & no good roaming package for me over in Asia + no tweetdeck (yet)...N97 is interesting.....
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- MarkHirsch
The iPhone is the best gadget I've had in a while but lately the AT&T service really sucks here in NY/NJ - it drops calls and email replies don't get received. Really getting ticked off with it.
- Sally Church
Golly gosh O'trousers Friendfeed is quieeeeet tonight
- Mark
AT&T really, truly sucks - big time.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
T-Mobile's pretty great, in my experience. I understand that varies greatly depending on where you are, however.
- Keith Bourgoin
You really can't go wrong with Verizon and a Blackberry.
- Bryan R. Adams
except for the blackberry part..
- Chris Heath
I haven't had many problems with the Blackberry. Push email (that works) is king.
- Bryan R. Adams
AT&T seems to be in meltdown re: providing, even voice bandwidth. i left them for Sprint, big improvement. I discovered that Sprint has a "free roaming deal" with Verizon so their footpints are the same.
- Steve Bell
I am so glad I saw this thread. I am going to check out the HTC Hero. Hope it has a release date soon in the US. My iphone 3G is good, but I want more w/o having to pay $400 to upgrade and get AT&T's service.
- Amani
@Scoble - I really, really, really want the HTC Hero but from what I understand it's 3G bands are the ones that AT&T uses in the US so the most recent speculation is that it will end up there. So you'd be stuck with Ma Bell still anyway. I wish this could have gone to US T-Mo, I'd be all over it.
- Bryan Zirkel
Hey Chaps, in the UK the Iphone has unlimited data plan built in monthly cost, the Hero has 500mb a MONTH plan built in. That's a 3 minute youtube video every day and a few emails.
- Mark
AT&T service is dropping calls almost everywhere now.
- wiredgnome
Realized the problem with too many phones around... blew one up today...Plugged the AC adapter for the mophie 3GS battery/case into a N97 since they for some reason have the same custom connector & poof.. blew the N97...
- MarkHirsch
Probably will stop me from buying my first iPhone
- Kenneth Younger
Petaluma - http://brightkite.com/objects...
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Welcome home, Leo!
- Eric Geller
Welcome Home to land of Apple pie and Baseball and open Government
- Michael Holzinger
Welcome home, Leo and Henry
- Terry Cleary
Welcome Home!
- Bryce Campbell
Welcome home!
- imperator3733
YAY Your back!!!!
- Robert Burgin
Welcome back Leo! Hope the trip was awesome!
- Eric B
Welcome home Leo, travel is fun but coming home is more fun!
- Richard Bitting
And another big Welcome home, enjoyed your posts, Now Scott can take his Rangers off standby.
- gobears75
Yay - you are back, you were missed! Looking forward to tomorrow's TWiT
- Tyson Williams
Welcome back, Leo. Did the trip meet your expectations.
- Richard Bradshaw
Welcome home! Hope you and Henry had a great time!
- Dakota O'Neill
Welcome Home, looking forward to bag and vest reviews.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Back to work you TWiT! :-)
- Jeff
How was east Leo?
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
Welcome home
- Aaron Thorn
Welcome back. Though I'd sure hate to see you Inbox right about now!
- John Rubier
Welcome back leo
- peter stromdahl
from Android
welcome home Leo
- Chris Strange
Glad to see you using brightkite, but I think its always better to post an image with the iPhone when checking in.
- Robert D. Fraser
Welcome back, Leo & Henry! Hope you had a nice trip :)
- mahjongmi
Glad to have you back, Leo! Missed you and your shows!
- Șerban Dragoș
Watching TWiT live I love having Leo and Kevin back
Yes it is good to have leo back
- Aaron Thorn
Why aren't you on there @scobleizer
- Robert Burgin
FriendFeed on a Saturday afternoon isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang.
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Do your own on TinyChat
- Chris Saad
Really?
- Jim Connolly
Scoble Gang
- Mark
You really should go back to doing it audio only, easier and better.
- Mason Lee
Yeah - what about a 'Scoble's gang?' You know everyone worth talking to.
- Jim Connolly
But yeah, I agree-- I miss that podcast, especially when it went somewhat deeper into things like "track" and the future of communications
- Mason Lee
Scoble's Gang reporting sir!
- Özgür D. Cyric
Darren: Loved that! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Heh. Thanks everyone! Gives me something to think about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll help you folks out. Steve: "If we can just get track back, then the gesture economy will finally take hold" Arrington: "Mufflers again, let's talk sports cars." Doc: "Is VRM a muffler or sports car?" Jason: "This show was sponsored by Building 43." Scoble: "Heehee."
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: add some drama and that is pretty close.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow. Only a little? Can't wait for Scoble Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: I can't wait either but I already have Scoble Gang. It is called FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought we were a mob... now i'm confused
- Chris Heath
HAHAhahahaha yea! =] It's called FF!
- Özgür D. Cyric
C'mon Robert. The yearning mob awaits
- Steve Gillmor
Chris: gang, mob, what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but steve, the mob awaits you too!
- Chris Heath
semantics
- Chris Heath
and spelling
- Chris Heath
the mob can [redacted] itself
- Steve Gillmor
that's funny steve, cuz i just [redacted] myself moments ago... and plan to [redact] later tonight as well :-P
- Chris Heath
may cause blindness
- Steve Gillmor
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mob
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed is a gateway drug to Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"can't we all just get along?"
- Chris Heath
I've listened to several back episodes of Gillmor Gang over the last few days. They were surprisingly good. Steve comes across as cranky, yes, but underneath he is usually making valid points.
- Laura Norvig
I miss Gilmore Gang :(
- Robert Burgin
I agree Laura, and I also miss the GG
- Chris Heath
How far back did you go Laura?
- Chris Heath
Agree with Laura, I miss the gang, steve tells it like he sees it and doesn't just jump onto the newest thing just because its new .. Bring back the Gang !
- Aaron Dyer
Best part of GG were the inevitable meltdowns every few weeks
- Mark
Give the order Scoble Sir! I'll have their... well... keyboards!! :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Sometimes meltdowns need to happen to re-focus us all, strong and differing opinions are a GOOD thing
- Aaron Dyer
GG reminded me of an open mic night where everyone ends up playing 12-bar blues.... but sometimes you get a jazz guy in there that mixes things up a bit.
- Jay Cuthrell
Chris, I listened to 3 episodes from March. I'm just going through all the ones that happen to be on my iPod that I never had a chance to listen to.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble -- Do it. The Scoble Mob.
- Dave Winer
"The Scoble Mob(ile)" would make a neat logo and imply the disjointed and anywhere anytime nature of the "mob"
- Jay Cuthrell
The Gillmor Gang was the best show on the internet in my opinion. I miss it tremendously. Scoble Gang wouldn't be the same even though he still could make a good show. You need Steve at the helm to set the tone.
- Wo
so wheres the link to "The Scoble Mob"? Who's going to be on today?
- BryanSchuetz
I'm sure Leo would let you put it on the TWIT Robert
- BryanSchuetz
Yeah I agree GG was great, and I miss it alot. Scoble is great and was great addition to the gang. But not many can do what Steve did so well. Cut into the bone of the conversation with just one "cranky" rant. I'm pretty sure I would subscribe to a scobleshow also though. I wasn't fond of the change over to Twit, it kinda changed the dynamics of the show. Nothing bad about Leo, the show just wasn't the same with him co holding the reins.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I for one, would love to see Leo [redacted] arrington in the mouth with his mighty "mob", over and over again
- Michael Thomas
Indeed, bring back The Gang...
- Richard Eckel
In a few days I think Arrington is going to announce he worked with twitter and the police to track the hacker down.
- Mark
Steve's a sweet teddybear with strong opinions...just not a great fit on TWiT. I'm sure a new iteration will appear when the time is right.
- Web Pixie
I guess nature does not abhor a vacuum.
- Jim Posner
FriendFeed on a Sunday morning, very early, so early in fact my ass is still in bed and not listening to a podcast isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang :P
- Johnny
What does Gillmor do for a day job? I mean, he posts maybe 1 article a week, a couple of tweets. What does he *do* ?
- Mark
He comes up with ideas for the schmuck with the puppets
- Dave Winer
Hahaha
- Mark
lol
- Aaron Thorn
I wonder sometimes how Tech people make their living. I mean, your financial past Dave is known (you made some nice bucks back in the day), Leo Laporte has his network, Scoble has his paying gigs with rackspace, but the likes of Feldman and Gillmor and a bunch of others make me wonder what pays the bills!
- Mark
Heck, Shel Isreal has a new book coming out! baby needs a new pair of shoes
- Mark
Mark: Steve Gillmor's RealTIme Crunchup had 500 people at it. You don't think he figured out how to get paid for that? And why do you need to get paid to talk on the Internet? I did this before I got paid for it. I'm just very fortunate to have found a way to do it all the time.
- Robert Scoble
anybody know how blocking works on friendfeed? Is it bidirectional or does it merely silence the idiots?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: if you block someone you no longer can see their stuff and they can no longer see your stuff. The rest of us are unaffected.
- Robert Scoble
600, Robert.
- Steve Gillmor
Actually, that's not completely true, because the folks you block can't see you anymore they can't comment on your stuff, so we'll notice that over time your items have fewer and fewer idiots commenting on them. That will increase your personal brand. On the other hand, if you block someone who has a lot of engagement (an idiot like me, for instance) then you'll see the artifacts of their interactions with other people.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure that if you did a Gillmor Gang, you would all say that Chrome OS is in fact Android 2.0 and it's going to kill Microsoft, Intel and Apple.
- Charbax
Charbax: whenever a blogger says something kills something else that just means it's more interesting than something else. Nothing more. So, if that's true, you'd be right.
- Robert Scoble
ok, but isn't new tech supposed to sometimes really cannibalize established tech. If Google OS powers $100 laptops with ARM processors all of a sudden, then who's going to buy Windows/OSX stuff anymore. And how can the old Silicon Valley giants then still make money.
- Charbax
Charbax: it's pretty rare that new stuff actually "kills" old stuff and when it does it takes years to happen. Heck, the Web has been killing AOL now for about a decade and AOL still is around. I don't think Google Chrome will get me to stop buying OSX or Windows but it could change my behavior and that is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
All major laptop OEMs showed 50 sub-$200 ARM netbook designs at Computex last month, I filmed them all http://techvideoblog.com/... (my Computex videos were on Engadget a dozen times in that week). I think Chrome OS is actually just Google optimizing the browser for all these new cheaper embedded Linux laptops.
- Charbax
scoble's definition may work for him, but when I say something's dead, it has a specific meaning -- and it's not that is no longer interesting. RSS has always been and continues to be interesting. But it's still dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Charbax: right. Hi Steve. Someday I'll get the Gillmor translation guide figured all out.
- Robert Scoble
I miss the Gillmor Gang! The industry is very dull without it...
- Michael Pinto
start with Saturday Night Live first 2 seasons
- Steve Gillmor
Diego: I figure Gillmor Gang will come back right around the same time we stop talking about it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, Arrington's a tool and the perfect foil on Gillmor Gang. Renew it, intact. Saturdays on FF, TC & Twitter are a bore now...
- Thom Kennon
They will be back Just will take time
- Aaron Thorn
That's worth elaborating. Respectively, I hear the same broad sweeping, provocative statements that don't include anything in support of that statement as to why. I understand it's the only way to make a point effectively in a short window of time but I've heard too many people say "RSS is Dead" without much to support that claim/point of view. It's like someone trying to drive fashion.
- Benjamin Taylor
The iphone represents less than 1% of the global mobile phone market, yet Apple amasses $20 Billion treasury, so I guess you are right. it'll probably take them at least a few years to burn up all that money unless they quickly fire most of their 85 thousand employees.
- Charbax
Diego, yep. It keeps things interesting and makes the less toolish look (and act) more brill.
- Thom Kennon
Is there any way to listen to the old shows?
- Robert D'Alesio
RSS is Dead. RSS is live. RSS lives.
- Matt Terenzio
It's alive. Alive!
- Matt Terenzio
Like others have said, definitely miss it. My podcast lineup's not the same with iTunes showing my GG feed broken.
- Micah
I agree
- Robert Burgin
i want GillmorGang back in real-time
- HansVanRock
Nah @verzoletto I haven't gotten Google Voice yet. I try not to use my phone for voice mail.
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Would like to use google voice but just cant find a invite
- Aaron Thorn
Google voice is nice to have and it acts like spam filter for the phone.
- Ashish
Google voice isn't just nice to have it's a game changer for every person in the world (ok USA for now). But think about it you now have a phone number that is accessable anywhere that you are. Not even dependant on having an actual phone service for any carrier and you can recurve calls, get voice mail, and send and receive SMS. Think, you're out of a job or homeless or just can afford...
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- Aaron Baer
from iPod
For now I am just going to use it as a phone spam filter.
- Ashish
I hate voice mail, so Google voice just doesn't do anything for me.
- MarkCarras
If I have Skype, what's the benefit of getting Google Voice?
- Curt Mercadante
It's not just voice mail... Which you miss the poit totally if you think that. Google voice isn't a voip desktop phone as is skype. Google voice is ANY phone.
- Aaron Baer
from iPod
Right, but if I have a cell and Skype....and my Skype already transfers to my cell. Is it worth the hassle of giving out yet another number?
- Curt Mercadante
What makes GV great is having a free incoming voice #, free SMS, and free VoIP if used with a Gizmo client. I do like that all my phones get a text message if someone sends an SMS to my GV number. Oh and free voice mail with voice-to-text translation that is sent as a text message as well.
- Rodfather
Um @philgerb what planet are you on? FriendFeed is faster than Twitter. It's even real time, something that Twitter doesn't yet do. See:
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It's amazing the mistruths people believe about their favorite services.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone want to show Phil why friendfeed is faster? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Not to mention that this message went from FriendFeed to Twitter so fast I couldn't even time it.
- Robert Scoble
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- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
that I can also edit
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Friendfeed is almost instant, Twitter not so and you can edit
- Robert Burgin
I like friend feed better its just faster
- Aaron Thorn
I like the way it updates in real time as well .. very cool
- Mike Perras
Yeah, good point, here you can edit everything you do. In real time.
- Robert Scoble
Wait until they see how much faster search is here, too. And the fact that it works for more than seven days worth of tweets. Twitter search really sucks.
- Robert Scoble
I can find my friendfeed posts easily, and going all the way back (which means I can find my tweets INSIDE friendfeed as easily.
- Micah
I've not seen anyone argue that FriendFeed isn't better than Facebook or Twitter. What's hard to argue is that FriendFeed is more useful. I find Twitter and Facebook more useful because more people USE IT.
- mrshl
In terms of functionality,Friendfeed has the edge over Twitter.
- Ashish
For now, once they see how easy Friendfeed is that may change
- Robert Burgin
Twitter became useful only when the 3rd party devs enabled the filtering - which was then hamstrung IMO -- and now with the searching ability and the new v2 api - FF will be leapfrogging in regard to that feature
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mrshl: yes, that is a problem, but it's a problem that is slowly going away. I just passed 44,000 followers on FriendFeed. 18 months ago I had none here.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: for me Twitter was always useful, except when it fail whaled. Glad to not have to see the whale every day now.
- Robert Scoble
My FriendFeed follower list has a lot fewer SEO, spam, bots, etc types. The engagement here is nicer too and is all permalinkable. Try linking to a conversation like this over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Also, I've found that when I use Streamy, everything SEEMS real time. Including Facebook and Twitter.
- mrshl
That's just me trying to post while also playing WoW - Twitter has always been in the toolset for me - it's just that recently the 3rd party dev advantage has gone away and other tools like FF are now ready to take over
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mrshl: yes, but that's bolted on outside. Now go to search. FriendFeed is a lot better.
- Robert Scoble
Aww! My wordpress contact form is getting spammed, which is forwarding to my phone which is irritating - have to go deal with that (first time though, and I've had the contact form public for at least a year).
- Micah
Agreed. That's why I say, "SEEMS".
- mrshl
Twitter is not even in the same league.
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
from iPhone
Which reminds me, Friendfeed can better deal with spammers.
- Micah
I'm relatively new to friendfeed and have only been on Twitter since March, so I consider myself to be objective. There's a "genuine" quality to Twitter posters that I like, whereas friendfeed still has that "geek elite" feel. Maybe it has something to do with the people I choose to follow, but Twitter reminds me of the neighborhood tavern and friendfeed still feels like a campus greek fraternity.
- Bob Young
Bob: That's sort of the way I feel. There's more breadth to Twitter. I can follow other healthcare lawyers there. And other musicians. Kind of hard to do that on FriendFeed. But as others have said, that may change in the future.
- mrshl
Bob - not sure who you follow on either place, but I see the quality of posts on Twitter waaaay lower. They sink lower every month. On FF You also have much more control on what you see.
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
from iPhone
Bob:As the number of twitter used increased ,"Geek users" were outnumbered many times. As it get more popular ,Friendfeed will also be filled by "neighborhood tavern".
- Ashish
@Bob - good insight. On Twitter I could have discussions with all sorts of people from the beginning. Here it is rare that ppl would comment on something I post - and usually it's ppl from Twitter who do :)
- Valeria Maltoni
Bob, there's no denying how you perceive your network on Twitter vs Friendfeed at this point, but as you stated, who you chose has everything to do with it. Let me see if I can find a 'great list to subscribe to' post from the past.
- Micah
Micah: that is true, but nearly everyone I like following and who provides me with value is also on FriendFeed. I'm testing that theory with my secretscoble Twitter account. So far it's true.
- Robert Scoble
Bob, can't declare what the geek ratio is on this one, but here's a start: http://friendfeed.com/banane...
- Micah
FriendFeed is Twitter done right, encouraging engagement, not hero worship
- Stephen Pickering
Guess I started a FriendFeed love fest. :) only to clarify: I meant faster for reading, at 140 characters, though I can see how you say real time is here.
- Phil Gerbyshak
Great conversation!
- Phil Gerbyshak
Robert, interesting. FriendFeed has much more value to me than Twitter, yet I continue with Twitter for mobile access status updates.
- Micah
Phil: you're wrong there, too. Most of what I see on FriendFeed is 140 characters and when it's not, like a link to a YouTube video, FriendFeed is faster because you can watch that without opening a new web page.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - you know I like FF and everyone has made me feel very welcome. It's not the technology, it's the topics ppl discuss that are quite different. It's easier for me to follow and join Italian conversations here because the tweets get drowned. They have good, long threads if you ever want to join :)
- Valeria Maltoni
What is the membership? Are the girls from The View using it? How about Oprah?
- Chris Abraham
Also, Phil, on FriendFeed I can curate the best stuff for you, so you can read only high quality stuff. I do that at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... that will make you much more productive than any Twitter account will make you.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the insight and feedback, folks. I came to friendfeed on the advice of a Twitter friend who is very high tech, and I was quick to sign on to the "gurus" here - I wanted to learn as much as possible as quickly as possible. I wanted to add something, too, if I could. I HAVE learned, but I miss the droll wit of Twitter, where I also mingle with knowledgeable people. I would love to find more of that balance for myself on FF.
- Bob Young
@robert Thanks for the link. I will check it out...and give FF a good long look.
- Phil Gerbyshak
Bob, similar convo here: http://friendfeed.com/shelisr...
- Micah
Bob, here's my favourite quote from that thread: "good point there, Jandy. I'm a musician, sound engineer, linguist, and many other things. but damn I'm geeky about all of it. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)"
- Micah
@Chris - I do have a point of View :D There are many interesting people here on FF. If you let me know what interests you I might be able to share ideas on who to follow.
- Valeria Maltoni
Bob, not a formal list of suggested subscribe-to's, but you should check out this thread from April: http://friendfeed.com/hakanda...
- Micah
Cool... I have been on FF forever but I have just been on here as a cross-posting sort of thing. I would love to learn to get it more though. Giving it a go.
- Chris Abraham
Stephen, I know there is some hero worship going on at Twitter, but I see it here as well. I avoid it at all costs and I've been fairly stern about winnowing both followers/following for value. So far as numbers go, I'm for quality, not quantity. I prize intelligence, wit, resourcefulness and good, solid links to more opportunities to learn.
- Bob Young
Micah, thanks much for April's list. I'll pore through it tomorrow over stronger coffee than I'm sipping now.
- Bob Young
Bob, nice :) I love my morning coffee. Cheers!
- Micah
Bob, when you're up for some geekery, let me know. I'll show you a few enhancements I've scripted for one's FriendFeed experience :)
- Micah
The MIT Media Lab, hotbed of leading-edge information technology development, has a new mission - bringing quilting into the 21st century. - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technol...
That is ok thanks
- Aaron Thorn
Catching up on True Blood and trying to stay awake until bed time. Jet lag is a bitch.
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Welcome home Leo and thanks for all the pictures from China, Korea and Japan.
- Dave Winer
Welcome home leo
- Aaron Thorn
Yea. Thanks for sharing. Looks like Henry got more attention than you did.
- Cory Brown
Welcome home Leo. Enjoyed your posts and boos very much. Thank you.
- Steve Lester
what the heck I will follow derrick! :) who wants to hear from the geek! Let me know what your google voice number is and I will call you and leave a message
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Alan how can i get a invite for google voice number
- Aaron Thorn
I got an invite to Google Voice but it doesnt work outside US of A!!
- Geer
I am in the usa how can i get one
- Aaron Thorn
All moved in! Dogs checking out new house, tried explaing mortgage to them, they just figured peeing on trees was sufficient to own place
LOL
- Aaron Thorn
all the best in your new place, Marshall
- Hilary Talbot
Stickam is rumored to pay Leo Laporte 130k a year?? http://tinyurl.com/l3fqvp - http://twitter.com/216skil...
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They should pay him for his hard work !!!!
- Aaron Thorn
just had a fun guild run though Naxx 25 now getting ready to head out to see @roxybalboa kick some ass!!!
I love wow but takes up all my time to play it
- Aaron Thorn
Hey Alex would love to move my 80 NE Druid dual speced resto/feral to your server and guild any interest?
- Robert Burgin
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