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AASFSHNR

AASFSHNR

Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and the Non-Religious

This group is named for the discussion group on http://www.kiva.org (founded by Peter Kroll) which shows that critical thinkers can (and do) act compassionately, without the need for magical sanction.

The idea for this room is to highlight the genius of the unwieldy name: a place to share and discuss content about issues of atheism/agnosticism/secular humanism from a truly skeptical and non-religious point of view.

It's difficult to label lack of belief (much like "not collecting stamps" doesn't work as a hobby). Names like "brights" are kind of lame, and neither "skeptic" nor "atheist" is comprehensive enough. Maybe AASFSHNR will catch on?
Chris Munro
Atheist Revolution: Hillary Clinton and Al Gore Linked to "The Family" - http://www.atheistrev.com/2009...
Atheist Revolution: Hillary Clinton and Al Gore Linked to "The Family"
"Hillary Clinton and Al Gore have been affiliated with The Family? WTF? I figured that this had to be a mistake. After all, I have not heard any mention of it in any of the coverage this group has been receiving. And yet, a few minutes on Google revealed that there was no mistake. This story on Clinton broke (or at least should have broke) at least as early as 2007 when Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported it in Mother Jones. It became newsworthy again in 2008 after Obama's Rev. Wright troubles. Writing in The Nation, Barbara Ehrenreich pointed out that Clinton couldn't really criticize Obama for Wright because her own religious associations were even more problematic. The same point was made in The Atlantic. Compared with Clinton, it was much harder to find incriminating information on Gore. According to Jeff Sharlet, Gore has made very positive statements about Dog Coe, Family leader. That there was some sort of friendship between Gore and Coe was noted again in 2008, but it... more... - Chris Munro from Bookmarklet
Eivind
PHOTOS: Somalian Stoned To Death By Extremists For Adultery - http://despardes.com/?p=10823
PHOTOS: Somalian Stoned To Death By Extremists For Adultery
PHOTOS: Somalian Stoned To Death By Extremists For Adultery
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"New York: GRAPHIC PHOTOS of a Somali man being stoned to death for adultery in a village close to Somalia’s capital Mogadishu have surfaced. Somalian Islamic extremists and militants on Sunday stoned a man to death for adultery in front of hundreds of local residents. A second man, Ahmed Mohamoud Awale, 61, who was accused of murder, was shot to death. Hundreds of villagers were forced to watch the stoning by the militants." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
Somehow I don't think secular humanists would have the same approach - but we know how 'immoral' we would all become without 'God'. - David (slumrig)
توحش قانونی مان به یاد آمد - hedayat
I suspect you are right, David, and in any case it would be easier for people to speak up locally if the punishment wasn't prescribed by a "holy book". As it is now it is blasphemy to suggest it is barbaric to throw stones at this poor guys head :( - Eivind
:(((((((((((((((((((( - AJ Batac
That makes me sick to my stomach. The people who did that are filth. - Christopher A Carr
Isn't the liberal approach to accept others as they are, and to not be judgemental? Or does that only apply if you agree with the populist dogma? - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod
MVB: *looks around for any hard-core cultural relativists...doesn't see any* - Christopher A Carr
There's a certain person in this thread who doesn't seem to mind this sort of thing all that much: http://ff.im/d773t - Christopher A Carr
Just in keeping with my 'leave me alone and I'll leave you alone' philosophy. Because I don't like others telling me how I should live my life. Apparently I am in a small minority, as most people seem perfectly fine dispensing advice on how others should live theirs... - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod
MVB: I'm confused. You want the right to stone people? - Christopher A Carr
No, Christopher. I want that people may do as they wish. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from iPod
Ah, ok then...so long as that doesn't involve burying people up to their chest and throwing large rocks at their head. - Christopher A Carr
MVB: I want that people can do as they wish too. To themselves. Or to those capable of giving permission with permission. And there it ends. - Mark H
It seems pretty arrogant that people think they know what is best for a society that is not their own. - MVB (Grinch of FF) from fftogo
:(((((((((((((( - مير «دورا» موسوی
MVB: You find this behavior acceptable? The Nazis had their own precious little culture also... - Christopher A Carr
MVB, I think the "human" statement over "Human Rights" is not specific to a certain nation. . Unfortunately I support death penalty in such situations too, but not like this way. What happens in Somalia is brutal. - Onur Gündüz
I do not go in to my neighbour's house and tell him how to live. The same should apply to nations. That you or I find the act appalling is not relevant. It only becomes my business when it begins to affect me. Did we not all agree the US must stop attempting to impose its rheroric on other - MVB (Grinch of FF) from fftogo
The idea that people who have sex with someone other than their spouse should be killed is fucking barbaric. It's late 2009. - Christopher A Carr
MVB: Should the Nazi's have been allowed to exterminate Jews if it pleased them? - Christopher A Carr
And I'm not calling for the bombing of Somalia...I'm simply condemning brutality. - Christopher A Carr
Is spousal and child abuse acceptable? - Rob Haas
Onur you support death penalty for ADULTERY? MVB murder is not acceptable, no matter what the case is. It's not about culture. And it's not about the US imposing anything. So you would have no problem with murder unless someone is killing you? That is THE most stupid and ignorant thing I've heard. - D. Eda Goze
Eda, I support death penalty under some circumstances (strictly speaking = rape & terrorism) sorry :( - Onur Gündüz
I respect that, but it sounded like you were supporting death penalty for adultery. - D. Eda Goze
No I can't support that :p - Onur Gündüz
I know that wasn't what you meant so I put it in caps :) - D. Eda Goze
Onur: I'm glad that's cleared up. :-) - Christopher A Carr
Hope somebody finds oil over there, so UN/USA can deliver democracy.. - Onur Gündüz
It can be any fun to live in a failed state. - Christopher A Carr
Onur: Turkey has a huge army... ;-) - Christopher A Carr
And lots of issues... - Onur Gündüz
You don't think Turkey should occupy Somalia? ;-) - Christopher A Carr
Chris, Turkey actually sent some troops to Somalia this year. - Onur Gündüz
Ah...were they going after pirates? - Christopher A Carr
I really can't remember but I think it was about pirates that attacking Turkish ships. I should google it :\ - Onur Gündüz
It looks like they have sent commandos to Aden and Somalia, and 'neutralized' some bad people but I guess they forgot to neutralize the Islamic autocracy. Good thing is, they saved civilians (non-Somalian) :\ - Onur Gündüz
Eivind
Christians outraged by poster showing Mary and Joseph after sex - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Christians outraged by poster showing Mary and Joseph after sex - Telegraph
"The large poster depicts a dejected-looking Joseph lying next to Mary, whose eyes are turned heavenwards, under the words: "Poor Joseph. God was a hard act to follow."" - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"Within hours of the billboard being erected outside the Anglican church of St Matthew's in the City, in central Auckland, it had been attacked by a man who clambered on to the roof of his car to smear brown paint over it. As a result it was almost obliterated and the church, which describes itself as "progressive", is seeking a replacement. Archdeacon Glynn Cardy said the billboard was... more... - Eivind
They could always use the apocryphal story from Josephs perspective in the Protoevangelium of James. It has always been much more believable to me than the conventional version most religious practitioners are familiar with. "My soul has been magnified this day, because mine eyes have seen strange things." - Eric Logan
Blasphemy! There are only four gospels, twelve disciples and ONE Christ! - Eivind
Amusing - but to St. Matthew's: why not throw the baby out with the bathwater? - David (slumrig)
'Among leading critics was Lyndsay Freer, a spokesman for the Catholic Church, who said: "This is disrespectful and offensive to all Christians. "It's flying in the face of our 2,000-year-old beliefs," she said.' - Mark
LOL! Poor Lyndsay doesn't seem to realise 2000-year-old beliefs are nothing to be proud of... - Mark
If it helps you be a better person, it is. - Jeremy (cropmarks)
When I first heard about this, I have to say I giggled. Then again, I'm not religious. - cecily
Someone who is offended by a humourous challenge to their beliefs by fellow believers has not succeeded in becoming a "better person"... - Mark
Edward Zwart
God's Cartoonist: The Comic Crusade of Jack Chick - Watch Full Length Episode of Documentary Features on The Documentary Channel - http://www.sling.com/video...
God's Cartoonist: The Comic Crusade of Jack Chick - Watch Full Length Episode of Documentary Features on The Documentary Channel
Looks like it's been pulled down :( - Ken Morley
It's still there for me. - Eph Zero
Hmmm, I see the 30 sec. ad, but then get an "error connecting" message. I know Ed is in Canada so I'm assuming that's not the issue. The 1st comment is a request for removal, so I jumped to that conclusion :P - Ken Morley
I get that same error, Ken. - Eivind
Jack Chick!!!! - David (slumrig)
But same error - what a disappointment. :( - David (slumrig)
Still no problem for me, except not having time to watch it right now. :) It loads and starts playing after the commercial just fine. - Eph Zero
Playing for me just fine... - Christopher A Carr
Won't play for me in Vancouver - Neil de Haan
Has it played outside the US? - Eivind
Doesn't play for me in Australia - Mark
Ed, WTF? - Eivind
I believe it's available via bit torrent. - Edward Zwart
works for me over an hour long - Chris Heath
Works for me too - Eric Logan
Chris Munro
Topless Bike Protest In Williamsburg Latest Hipster-Hasidic Jew Battle - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
Topless Bike Protest In Williamsburg Latest Hipster-Hasidic Jew Battle
"NEW YORK — Bicyclists planning a protest ride through New York City are calling it their "Freedom Ride" – free of clothing, that is. The removal of clothing during Saturday's ride is meant as a protest over the removal of a bike lane in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn. Bicycling advocates say the city erased the bike lane from the Orthodox Jewish neighborhood because some conservative residents were upset about seeing women in skimpy clothing ride by every day." - Chris Munro from Bookmarklet
I hear fences make good neighbors. - Heather
Rob Haas
"Letting Go of God has been a completely home made operation. It's not just a one-woman show, it was a one woman everything. That's not completely true, actually. I had a producer for the movie and the stage show, who did a huge amount of work. And of course all the people who worked on the stage and film productions. But in the deepest sense, this is really a one-man-band. I was so glad that I started working on this show just when new technology made it possible to do everything myself. I hated that "It's Pat" had so much studio input (that didn't necessarily make it better or worse, it's just that I didn't get to make my own mistakes because of so much interference.) "God Said, Ha!" which I was able to direct and have total creative control over is now owned totally by Miramax (Disney now, I guess.) When "God Said Ha!" plays on cable, I have no knowledge of that. It's theirs and they can do with it what they want. So, when it came to "Letting Go of God" it was really important to... more... - Rob Haas from Bookmarklet
Victor Kamutzki
(#Toronto) Religious charities threatened by rights tribunal rulings - Holy Post - http://network.nationalpost.com/np...
Victor Kamutzki
The Digital Cuttlefish: Real World vs. Bible - http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2009...
Victor Kamutzki
Sumerians Look On In Confusion As Christian God Creates World | The Onion - America's Finest News Source - http://www.theonion.com/content...
Sumerians Look On In Confusion As Christian God Creates World | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
Victor Kamutzki
Atheists grapple with Christmas - thestar.com - Good interview with @ArianeSherine - http://www.thestar.com/living...
Victor Kamutzki
Fox News, always willing to defend bigotry with a poll : Pharyngula - http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng...
Victor Kamutzki
War on Christmas is Over (If You Want It) - True/Slant - http://trueslant.com/tinadup...
Victor Kamutzki
The Digital Cuttlefish: The War (On Christmas) Comes Early (Cuttlefish Classic) - http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2009...
Janice
xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe - http://xkcd.com/675/
xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe
bad science? - Janice from Bookmarklet
"I mean, what's more likely -- that I have uncovered fundamental flaws in this field that no one in it has ever thought about, or that I need to read a little more? Hint: it's the one that involves less work." - Eivind
Janice
When Kids Stop Believing In Santa : NPR - http://www.npr.org/templat...
": I stopped believing in the hairy man when I stopped believing in the Bible. When I used to talk to Jesus in my head, I never really got an answer back." - Janice from Bookmarklet
Great snippets in this transcript or you can listen to the story - Janice
I call "non-overlapping magisteria" between science and Santa! - Eivind
Trevor Rotzien
I'm a skeptic about the precision (and implications) of IQ measures, but this research on IQ and non-belief, correlation across a 137 countries, is sure to raise eyebrows: http://dailycow.org/system...
I can't read it (page not found), but is this the 2008 study by Helmuth Nyborg and Richard Lynn? - Eivind
Bummer, looks like they took the PDF down. I think I may have downloaded a copy. Stay tuned... - Trevor Rotzien
Norman Creaney
Lawsuit threatened over atheist councilman in NC - Yahoo! News - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
Norman Creaney
Fwd: The true cost of chaplains | National Secular Society - http://www.secularism.org.uk/the-tru... (via http://friendfeed.com/normanc...)
Victor Kamutzki
California activist pushes ballot intitiative to force schools to play Xmas music - http://gods4suckers.net/archive...
Janice
Alternative Medicine Took a Beating in 2009 | LiveScience - http://www.livescience.com/health...
Alternative Medicine Took a Beating in 2009 | LiveScience
Kava? What about acupuncture and acupressure? - Janice
I've tried the zone therapy, and man that was painful. The woman told me that was because there was something wrong with the corresponding body part (my back). She continued pressing down until I almost blacked out, and then she said: "There, I fixed it." I guess she must have fixed it because my back didn't hurt. I don't remember my back hurting before that either, but at least it didn't anymore. - Eivind
lol Eivind! Is that kind of like the "dr, dr, it hurts when I 'do this' Dr: then don't do that ;) - Janice
Yeah, but in my defense I really liked her daughter :) - Eivind
Oooh, I see ;-) - Janice
There seems to be no 'back spot', though. I've been had! - http://www.chakramassage.co.uk/images... (Or maybe she just explained it to me in layman terms.) - Eivind
Maybe she was talking about shoulders or perhaps buttocks? (both of which have 'spots') - Janice
I wondered about the large area dedicates to 'buttocks' :D Seems like they could have crammed a couple of other body parts in there. Maybe if you press those two at the same time? - Eivind
Press what two Eivind? ;-) - Janice
Wow, head is at the top, buttocks are at the bottom, which is another word we use for buttocks. What are the freaking chances?! I mean, look where shoulders are located, for crying out loud! How could this possibly be madeupshit? - Edward Zwart
Victor Kamutzki
Common Sense Atheism » Busting the Internal Logic of Christianity - http://commonsenseatheism.com/...
Norman Creaney
Fwd: The true cost of chaplains | National Secular Society - http://www.secularism.org.uk/the-tru... (via http://friendfeed.com/normanc...)
Victor Kamutzki
Poll: Fewer Americans Give Clergy High Honesty, Ethics Ratings - http://www.christianpost.com/article...
April Russo (app103)
LDS Missionaries and an Atheist discuss many things | RagingRev - http://ragingrev.com/2009...
"About a week or so later I received a call from Stephen, we essentially picked up where I had left off with the first missionary. We discussed at length on the mind’s ability to create psychosomatic reactions to stimuli that are often attributed to god which easily explains why LDS doctrine teaches that if you study the Book of Mormon and pray asking God if it is true there will often be a sensation in the chest (often referred to as the Burning Bosom). This sensation is nearly universal when it comes to religion, it is very similar to what I have felt while in worship or prayer to my former deity – this feeling is a psychosomatic effect of my subconscious desire to worship or experience the truth of god, it falsely confirms that “my god” is “the god” for almost anyone that needs it to. Stephen had no trouble understanding my viewpoint, but for some reason was unable to grasp that this could just as easily be the effect of Buddhist chanting as it is of praying to the Christian god –... more... - April Russo (app103) from Bookmarklet
LogEx
David (slumrig)
Young-earth creationist Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation - Wikileaks - http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki...
A doctoral dissertation that begins with "Hello, my name is..." - appropriately simplistic if you ask me. - David (slumrig) from Bookmarklet
The fine institution in question is the "Patriot Bible University, formerly known as Patriot University, is an unaccredited fundamentalist Christian correspondence school located in Del Norte, Colorado" - David (slumrig)
The only references he cites appear to be biblical passages. - David (slumrig)
"To really understand the history of evolution, we have to understand the author. Satan is the master-mind behind this false doctrine." - to quote the Church lady "SATAN!" (its a scientific theory btw, not a doctrine) - David (slumrig)
"Cain promoted the evolutionary doctrine that man can progress by his own efforts. ... Cain's efforts to "evolve" closer to God met with disaster." - I didn't know we had any extant documents of Cain promoting evolution theory. I guess he really was ahead of his time! - David (slumrig)
"Hinduism became very popular around 600 B.C. It probably began many years before that." - LMAO - now that is fine scholarly research! - David (slumrig)
"Another religion developing in the Eastern world during this time was Confucianism. Confucius lived from 551 to 479. He very strongly endorsed ancestor worship." - woah there poindexter - this reads like a 6th grader report and that's being generous. - David (slumrig)
This is rich: "It has long been my contention that evolution is just another religion. There is no empirical evidence to back it up so it is certainly not a part of science." - well then, you are done buster, sit down and shut up already. - David (slumrig)
Oh dear God! Did this actually lead to an official Ph.D or are they just pretending to be a University? - Eivind
"Hitler was an evolutionist and it was the crazy doctrine of evolution that is fundamentally responsible for World War II." - let us not forget Hitler was also a vegetarian. 'it was the crazy doctrine of vegetarianism that is fundamentally responsible for World War II' - David (slumrig)
I checked - its from a non-accredited correspondence 'university'. - David (slumrig)
"The idea that evolutionists try to get across today is that there is a continual upward progression. They claim that everything is getting better, improving, all by itself as if there is an inner-drive toward more perfection an order." So that is the theory of evolution, and Hitler believed this you say? No thanks, I'll stick with what the good book says! - Eivind
"I would like to trace the history of evolution beginning with the fall of Satan from heaven..." I LOVE this! :D - Eivind
"Lack of billions of years is the Achille's heel to evolution." - take THAT Darwin!!! - David (slumrig)
"Why don't we have people writing about kings that live fity thousand years ago? Why is it that all of recorded history happened in the last four thousand years?" - because we didn't start recording history until around four thousand years ago? Just a thought. - David (slumrig)
"The [lowercase] god of Mohammed is not the [uppercase] God of the Bible by any stretch of the imagination. It is a little pantheistic god of nature." - Eivind
Evolution justifies my lifestyle! - Eivind
Shintu is the same as evolution - I did not know that! - David (slumrig)
Last line of dissertation: 'I believe Jesus was right.' - QED you mofos!!!! - David (slumrig)
"This topic is personal for me; it's not just academic." I must admit I suspected that before I read it :) - Eivind
He even put one of his own poems into the thesis! - Eivind
Its kind of like a train wreck, you can't look away! - David (slumrig)
I know. It's a real page-turner with fresh springs of stupidity waiting around each new bend :D - Eivind
But isn't it strange that he keeps referring to his thesis as a book? - Eivind
Oh man, this is rich! Question... Is it normal to cite your weekly radio broadcast as an authority in a dissertation? - Edward Zwart
"This topic is personal for me; it's just not academic." - Fixed - Mark
You know, I'm pretty sure I could have written a better dissertation in 1991. I was 11. - Mark
Thanks for fixing the personal/academic quote, Mark. It makes much more sense now. When I was 11 I remember making many of the same mistakes Hovind makes in the intro, like starting every sentence of my "My Summer Holiday" thesis with "I" (the Norwegian equivalent, of course) :) - Eivind
Janice
Man dies after sitting in recliner for eight months - http://www.ksn.com/content...
Man dies after sitting in recliner for eight months
He prayed for a "Job" like miracle... it never came. - Janice from Bookmarklet
Um, ooookay.... that's disgusting. - Edward Zwart
Maybe there are some children that God loves not so much. - David (slumrig)
"Greenwood County authorities say they found Tillmon covered with sores, and that he appeared to weigh about 800 pounds. They say he was stuck to his chair, and they had to saw the recliner apart. They cut a large hole around the front door to get him out." - Christopher A Carr
I admire his piety. - David (slumrig)
stuck to his chair! I mean come on, what was your first clue that dog was not jumping in to save you???? - Janice
Victor Kamutzki
Why Skeptics Should be Atheists « Gotham Skeptic - http://www.nycskeptics.org/blog...
Edward Zwart
Not at her best, but still she socked it to him - Janice
Edward Zwart
Kings and queens of the æther : Pharyngula - http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng...
Kings and queens of the æther : Pharyngula
I like the term Atheist But ...almost as much as faitheist :) - Edward Zwart from Bookmarklet
Jerry Coyne's take: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009... (thanks Jim Turner) - Edward Zwart
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