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AASFSHNR

AASFSHNR

Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and the Non-Religious

This group is named for the discussion group on http://www.kiva.org (founded by Peter Kroll) which shows that critical thinkers can (and do) act compassionately, without the need for magical sanction.

The idea for this room is to highlight the genius of the unwieldy name: a place to share and discuss content about issues of atheism/agnosticism/secular humanism from a truly skeptical and non-religious point of view.

It's difficult to label lack of belief (much like "not collecting stamps" doesn't work as a hobby). Names like "brights" are kind of lame, and neither "skeptic" nor "atheist" is comprehensive enough. Maybe AASFSHNR will catch on?
Tinfoil 2.0
Remember this too dumb to be true creationist ‘science quiz’: snopes says it’s real! http://dangerousminds.net/comment...
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"this “science quiz” WAS actually given to 4th graders in the Blueridge Christian Academy of Greenville, South Carolina, as the urban legend detectives at Snopes.com found out. The actual father of the child whose test was on reddit wrote in to quiet the naysayers asserting that the quiz did indeed belong to his 10-year-old daughter" - Tinfoil 2.0
Ugh - Heather
So the Snopes article shows the second page of the test too: http://www.snopes.com/photos... -- along with the school's huffy response. - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I'm all for freedom of religion, but at what point does it become psychological abuse to mess kids up this badly? - Tinfoil 2.0
WERE YOU THERE TINFOIL? - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo from iPhone
When the dinosaurs suddenly appeared from the firmament? No, but what a sight that would have been. ;) - Tinfoil 2.0
I would have flunked this test. - Eivind from Android
I'd like to think I'd have had the gumption to pull something like this: http://dangerousminds.net/comment... - Tinfoil 2.0
@ Tinfoil 2.0 wow respect to the teachers teacher! - Eddy63
April Russo
Devout Jewish woman sues Lancôme over beauty product that fails the Sabbath test - http://freethinker.co.uk/2013...
Devout Jewish woman sues Lancôme over beauty product that fails the Sabbath test
"NEW YORKER Rorie Weisberg forked out $45.00 for a one-ounce a bottle of facial gunk that promised a full night and day of “lasting perfection”. The Orthodox Jewish woman did so because she wanted something that would last her through the Sabbath. The product had to be long- lasting because it is verboten for observant Jews to apply make-up between sundown on a Friday and Saturday night. Lancôme’s new Teint Idole Ultra 24H foundation held out the promise of a full 24 hours of beauty enhancement, but apparently failed to deliver. So, according to this report, Weisberg “can’t look good and stay holy at the same time”, and she’s suing the make-up giant." - April Russo from Bookmarklet
On one hand I think it's great to call companies on their bull claims. On the other, really? Make up is that important? - Heather
I dont think they meant night and day as in "you can sleep in it and it works just fine and wont schmutz off" - ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
She has to sue for unspecified damages? She can't just ask for her $45 back? - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Josh Leffingwell
A really good post about from the daughter of a Christian Author about why she is no longer Christian. Welcome to our side! :) www.principiamedia.com/blog/155-why-i-am-not-a-christian
April Russo
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So what happens if he doesn't win the case? Is your lawyer going to cover the cost of the medical bills?? - Georgia
Does this lawyer have an MD as well? Then he should butt out of what is best medical care for another person. - Andy
I can see the legal view, but can't he get a regular therapist instead? - Eric - seven eleven
I didn't have a chiropractor do this but a D.O. was doing spinal manipulation for my back spasms and adjusted me to the point my bulging disk broke free and sequestered in two spaces causing me permanent drop foot. My surgeon said never ever manipulate again. - Janet:#TeamMonique from FFHound!
[redacted] - April Russo
holy crap. - Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Oh that's horrible! - Heather
Ugghh shocking! - ᏓᏰ #team Monique
You can probably find a lot of information if you follow the Simon Singh trail when he was unsuccessfully sued by the British Chiropractic Association after criticising their crap; here's just one link to get you started: http://www.dcscience.net/... - and the electric paddle "treatment" sounds almost medieval. - Mark H
Thanks, Mark. - April Russo
I just came across this new-ish meta analysis: http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD00888... (It's specifically geared towards acute lower back pain, though) - Eivind
[redacted] - April Russo
Thanks, Eivind. - April Russo
Eivind
Inkfish: The Shambulance: Reflexology and Other Stories - http://inkfish.fieldofscience.com/2013...
Inkfish: The Shambulance: Reflexology and Other Stories
"“The problem is communication,” says physiologist Steven Swoap. “How does the foot talk to the pancreas?” The foot is full of sensory nerves, Swoap explains. These can detect temperature, pain or position and send that information to the spinal cord. If the signal is something urgent—say, you stepped on a nail—the spinal cord will send a quick command back to the foot (“STOP!”). If the signal from the foot is a non-painful one (“Hey, I’m walking on grass”), it will travel all the way up the spinal cord to the brain. “But in no instance do those sensory nerves bypass either the spinal cord or the brain and go directly to the liver, or the kidney, or the colon,” Swoap says. This means your foot can’t communicate directly with any other body part except your spinal cord or brain. Whatever stories the feet have told, they’ve had a limited audience." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
April Russo
Does common every day faith exist? I am not talking about religious faith or a belief in any sort of supernatural beings or deities. Or even a belief in an afterlife. I am talking about ordinary every day beliefs in things for which you have no proof, common to the events of everyday life. Looking for answers from atheists only, please.
Give me an example of something you have to do often that actually requires you to believe in something and make a decision or act without any proof that what you believe is true. - April Russo
Be married? - MoTO #TeamMonique from Android
I have been told not to confuse trust with faith, that trust does not require faith, and that marriage requires trust, not faith. - April Russo
Personally, I thought trust required faith, that you can't trust without it. - April Russo
Perhaps trust can be lost because it based on some sort of evidence and relationship. but faith is much harder to lose precisely because it is faith. - Todd Hoff
I have been told that people trust others because over time there is evidence that they are trustworthy, and that trust doesn't require faith. - April Russo
But doesn't trusting that their actions in the future will be consistent with what they've done in the past require faith, since there is no evidence to support that? - April Russo
I've found that trusting someone can, in some cases, inspire trustworthiness. - MoTO #TeamMonique from Android
But this isn't about trust. Trust is just an example, maybe. I don't know. But the question was about non-theist faith, for which I still don't have a good example. - April Russo
I think I have a general faith in people, in that if you expect the best of them, they will try to live up to that. It could be considered trust, but it often has no proof because it's "trust" in strangers. - Heather
April, I think this is a very interesting question. For me, I take it on faith that the past is predictive of the future. Just because the sun has risen every morning so far, that doesn't prove that it will continue to do so tomorrow. But I take it on faith that the future will be like the past. (See Hume's Fork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Thank you Stephen...that's a wonderful example. And thanks for the link (almost sarcastically). I see I am going to be trapped in wikipedia for quite awhile. :-D - April Russo
Eivind
Do All Cults, Like All Psychotherapies, Exploit the Placebo Effect? | Cross-Check, Scientific American Blog Network - http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-c...
Do All Cults, Like All Psychotherapies, Exploit the Placebo Effect? | Cross-Check, Scientific American Blog Network
"I have no doubt that for Lynch and many other practitioners, TM works; that is, it makes them feel better. “Better” can include anything from feeling calmer and less stressed to having a stronger sense of purpose, meaning and connection to other people and all of life. Of course, by this criterion Scientology, Catholicism, Mormonism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Tibetan Buddhism, the Hare Krishna movement, Unification Church and every other cult works. (Some readers may prefer the term “religion” for some of these institutions, but I view religions as cults that have achieved respectability, in some cases by abandoning extreme tenets.) After all, numerous studies have found a correlation between health and religious faith. The question is, why do cults work? Why do they make adherents feel better? The obvious (to me) answer is that they harness the placebo effect, the tendency of our belief that something will benefit us to be self-fulfilling." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"Speaking of Freud and psychoanalysis, I’ve written about how different psychotherapies all produce roughly the same benefits, or lack thereof, an equivalence that has been dubbed “the Dodo effect.” The term refers to an Alice in Wonderland scene in which a dodo bird, after watching Alice and other characters run a race, announces, “Everyone has won, and all must have prizes!” The Dodo... more... - Eivind
"So here’s another question: What happens if you just practice one of a cult’s rituals—singing in a church choir, say, or eating peyote–without buying into all the claptrap about its supernatural specialness? Journalist Claire Hoffman, who wrote the Times Lynch profile, apparently falls into this category. She learned TM as a child and still meditates twice a day “to deal with anxiety... more... - Eivind
Gotta say, rationality is overrated :) - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Seems to narrow the options for well being quite a bit :) - Eivind
Not at all. You must also leave the entirety of your earthly wealth at the ashram door, mind lincluded. Your wealth and you mind's freedom to think freely is also stolen. Typically religiosity, but without the canday - sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Calmer, less stressed, having a stronger sense of purpose, meaning and connection to other people and all of life? I don't need a cult for that...that's what my computer is for. - April Russo
Maitani
Neo Cultural-Evolutionism | Genealogy of Religion - http://genealogyreligion.net/neo-cul...
Neo Cultural-Evolutionism | Genealogy of Religion
"In evolutionary religious studies there are some scholars who claim that “religion” is an adaptation that is the product of natural selection. Though there are several different variants of this argument, all of them rely – in one way or another – on some form of “cultural evolution.” This is not cultural evolution in the old-fashioned, progressive, and normative anthropological sense (i.e., Lubbock, Tylor, and Frazer) — in its modern guises, cultural evolution relies on some variant of gene-culture co-evolution, niche construction, or memetics. While Dawkins and Dennett continue professing faith in memetics, they are pretty much alone. The most serious contender is the dual inheritance model first proposed by Boyd and Richerson (1985) in Culture and the Evolutionary Process." - Maitani from Bookmarklet
"While these kinds of models are certainly plausible and mathematically elegant, I have long doubted that cultural units (such as “religion”) are the equivalent of genetic units and can be reduced to a simple variable that captures anything meaningful about the multi-causal complexities of cultural reality. “Religion” is not a simple binary that can be expressed as either... more... - Maitani
"Given these disagreements, it is nice to have the distinguished Massimo Pigliucci weigh in on the subject. Over at berfrois, he recently asked: “Is Cultural Evolution a Darwinian Process?” His answer is no. Why? Because the source of variation in biological evolution is random, whereas the source of variation in cultural evolution is directed. This foundational difference means that... more... - Maitani
So, it's more like cultural breeding than natural selection? :) - Eivind
Tinfoil 2.0
The Beauty of Agnosticism https://medium.com/who-i-a...
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'We can finally admit that attempting to discern the entire checklist by which God will justify each person at the end of the world is entirely pointless and counterproductive to making the world a more beautiful place right here and right now.' - Tinfoil 2.0
As I see it, agnosticism is, most often, a reaction to some proposed deity. It's not the neutral, default position that most people seem to think it is, to me. It requires an unknown 'supernatural' realm.' This 'supernatural realm' is only there because people keep proposing supernatural beings. And we cannot know about these supernatural beings, these deities, only because the... more... - Eivind
"Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong" -Dire Straits :) [which of course doesn't rule out the other one being wrong too ;) ] - Tinfoil 2.0
The Three Christs of Ypsilanti: "In the late 1950s, psychologist Milton Rokeach was gripped by an eccentric plan. He gathered three psychiatric patients, each with the delusion that they were Jesus Christ, to live together for two years in Ypsilanti State Hospital to see if their beliefs would change. The early meetings were stormy. "You oughta worship me, I'll tell you that!" one of... more... - Eivind
Eivind
Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles - Ikhwanweb - http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article...
Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles - Ikhwanweb
"The 57th session of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), taking place from March 4 to 15 at UN headquarters, seeks to ratify a declaration euphemistically entitled ‘End Violence against Women’. That title, however, is misleading and deceptive. The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution. This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society, and would certainly be the final step in the intellectual and cultural invasion of Muslim countries, eliminating the moral specificity that helps preserve cohesion of Islamic societies." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
Eivind
SUPERSTITIONS AND FORTUNETELLERS IN ANCIENT ROME - World Topics | Facts and Details - http://factsanddetails.com/world...
SUPERSTITIONS AND FORTUNETELLERS IN ANCIENT ROME - World Topics | Facts and Details
SUPERSTITIONS AND FORTUNETELLERS IN ANCIENT ROME - World Topics | Facts and Details
"The expression “getting up the wrong side of the bed” supposedly evolved from getting up on the "right side" which in turn grew out the Roman belief that the left side was evil. The word "sinister" is derived from the Latin word for "left side" and the first "footmen" were hired by Roman nobles to makes sure guests entered their house right foot first. [People's Almanac]" - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"The Romans believed that each of the 12 Zodiac sign controlled a different part of the body. The planets Mars and Venus were given the character of the gods they were named after. On fortunetellers, Pliny the Elder wrote: "this most fraudulent of arts has held complete sway throughout the world for many years. Nobody should be surprised at the greatness of its influence...There is no one who did not fear the spellbound by curse tablets." - Eivind
Eivind
Jesus and Mo on bacon sandwiches and sex :) - http://www.jesusandmo.net/2013...
Jesus and Mo on bacon sandwiches and sex :)
"i could hazard an educated guess" :) - grizabella
Eivind
"For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that's Moses, not Jesus."
"I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon of the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. "Blessed are the merciful" in a courtroom? "Blessed are the peacemakers" in the Pentagon? Give me a break!" - Eivind
A Man Without a Country, Kurt Vonnegut - Eivind
Funny, because I love the Beatitudes. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
The Beatitudes are harder to live by than the Ten Commandments. - Friar Ticket to Ride
Vonnegut appears to be a big Jesus fan in general, WoH, but he seems to have way more faith in the historicity of the accounts than I do. Or maybe he just likes the portrayed Jesus independent of any historical person. - Eivind
But you're allowed to fuck up every now and then regarding the NT stuff, right, Will? - Eivind
All the time, Eivind. All the time. :^) - Friar Ticket to Ride
It's called grace. :^) - Friar Ticket to Ride
I've been told I lack grace :) - Eivind
I do too at times. - Friar Ticket to Ride
An honest examination of Jesus' morality is given here: http://choiceindying.com/2012... - Maitani
The emphasis on thought crimes in Jesus' teachings is troubling to me, but I think the Beatitudes must have spoken to Vonnegut's pacifism. - Eivind
Eivind
Marx’s Critique of Religion | Genealogy of Religion - http://genealogyreligion.net/marxs-c...
Marx’s Critique of Religion | Genealogy of Religion
"Feuerbach had, in idealist (and sometimes obscure) Hegelian fashion, argued that God or the “divine” was simply a projection of alienated human consciousness. It was, for Feuerbach, an entirely psychological process. Marx was troubled by the idea that such thoughts or “alienated consciousness” could simply occur, unbidden and uncaused. There was no apparent mechanism, something which might prompt people to have such ideas and feel alienated. Marx found the mechanism in the material conditions of life that determine social relations. These material conditions and social relations, in turn, give rise to the alienated consciousness which is at the heart of Marx’s theory or critique of religion. [...] Because social relations are always reflected back into people’s lives, unified societies make for unified individuals. People are not alienated they have direct, productive, and creative relationships with resources, work, things, and others. This communalism is, for Marx, most conducive to human happiness and well-being." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
""Precisely as a consequence of man’s loss of spontaneous self-activity, religion arises as a compensatory mechanism for explaining what alienated man cannot explain and for promising him elsewhere what he cannot achieve here. Thus because man does not create himself through his productive labor, he supposes that he is created by a power beyond. Because man lacks power, he attributes... more... - Eivind
Eivind
How the Vatican built a secret property empire using Mussolini's millions | World news | The Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world...
How the Vatican built a secret property empire using Mussolini's millions | World news | The Guardian
"Behind a disguised offshore company structure, the church's international portfolio has been built up over the years, using cash originally handed over by Mussolini in return for papal recognition of the Italian fascist regime in 1929. Since then the international value of Mussolini's nest-egg has mounted until it now exceeds £500m. [...] The surprising aspect for some will be the lengths to which the Vatican has gone to preserve secrecy about the Mussolini millions." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"The Guardian asked the Vatican's representative in London, the papal nuncio, archbishop Antonio Mennini, why the papacy continued with such secrecy over the identity of its property investments in London. We also asked what the pope spent the income on. True to its tradition of silence on the subject, the Roman Catholic church's spokesman said that the nuncio had no comment." - Eivind
The Catholic Church has always had a soft spot for right-wing dictators. I mean, besides the popes. - Eivind
"Forgive me, Father for I have sinned. I have killed for my Country, I have stolen for my Church, I have loved a Woman, and I am a Priest." from 'The Monsignor" (1982) http://www.imdb.com/title... - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Remember, the human is never devine. When this is understood we can realize the fault of me.And using an image of the current Pope really lends nothing to the timeline of this article. ME - Janet:#TeamMonique
I don't understand your defense, Janet? I fully agree with you that there's nothing divine here. - Eivind
I get upset when the whole faith base is damned in media with images that are not relevent to the case. You had nothing to do with this Eivind - it was the guardian. At first glance one would associate Pope Benedict with the secret dealings. Humans suck, this is all ;) - Janet:#TeamMonique
The case has a current element too, so I don't think the photo is totally unrelated. And this isn't about faith, as I see it. This is about a large, global corporation acting shady, as large, global corporations do. - Eivind
This was basically a payoff for the papacy giving up its territorial claims, no? The Papal States existed up until the mid-19th Century, when they were taken by force by Italian nationalists in the course of unifying Italy. The papacy didn't recognize the conquest as legitimate, or the resulting Italian government, up until the Lateran Treaty of 1929, which was a long-term political... more... - John (bird whisperer)
I guess it's all a matter of perspective, John. It looks more like Mussolini buying legitimacy and supporters from an organization that owns so many minds from where I'm standing, but you know where I'm standing :) I'd call it an alliance. - Eivind
It's possible that the papacy's affinity for right-wing governments explains why Mussolini succeeded where previous Italian political leaders had failed. - John (bird whisperer)
I think there's also a matter of timing - the church realized that if they ever wanted to regain some of their property claims, they were going to have to do it this way, rather than openly cowing any government. I think it makes sense to think that admitting that sort of loss of power would take time to come to fruition. - Jennifer Dittrich
...I knew that was Lord Vader after all! - Harold Cabezas from Android
Eivind
"If evolution is true, then Adam and Eve did not exist. There would be now fall, and no need for my sacrifice. Christianity would be untrue!" ~Jesus - http://www.jesusandmo.net/2013...
"If evolution is true, then Adam and Eve did not exist. There would be now fall, and no need for my sacrifice. Christianity would be untrue!" ~Jesus
"And without Adam and Eve, the Koran would not be literally true, and therefore could not be the perfect word of God. Islam would be founded on a man-made book." ~Mo - Eivind from Bookmarklet
:) - Eivind
Love it! If only World Peace was that simple! - Son of Groucho
If only faith were that simple. :^) - Friar Ticket to Ride
I agree with both of you :) - Eivind
Eivind
"In 1959, psychologist Milton Rokeach assembled three mentally ill patients each of whom believed he was Jesus Christ" - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"In his 1964 account of the experiment, The Three Christs of Ypsilanti, Rokeach writes, “We have learned that even when a summit of three is composed of paranoid men, deadlocked over the ultimate in human contradiction, they prefer to seek ways to live with one another in peace rather than destroy one another.”" - Eivind
Eivind
Meditating Buddhism | Genealogy of Religion - http://genealogyreligion.net/meditat...
Meditating Buddhism | Genealogy of Religion
"Over at the Atlantic, Evolution of God author Robert Wright wonders why he feels “happy” after a one-week Buddhist meditation retreat. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me: a week away from work, computers, phones, texts, tablets, noise, writing, stores, appointments, meetings, transactions, traffic, machines, and routines should have this effect. Still, Wright struggles to make sense of it: 'I’m not sure how to explain this irony of detachment-induced warmth. Maybe, though in theory you’re distancing yourself equally from positive and negative emotions as you meditate, you’re actually cheating, and doing selective distancing. Or maybe a feeling of affinity–with our environment, with other creatures–is a kind of default state, and we revert to it when more transient and superficial feelings, both negative and positive, are stripped away. But that doesn’t make immediate sense to me in terms of evolutionary psychology, my basic paradigm for viewing the mind, and I’m not sure it even... more... - Eivind from Bookmarklet
Eddy63
It's Okay To Be Smart • sciencecenter: Cargo Cults and Creationists ... - http://www.itsokaytobesmart.com/post...
It's Okay To Be Smart • sciencecenter: Cargo Cults and Creationists ...
Eddy63
RDF: The disgrace of papal blessing for Ugandan homophobia - http://richarddawkins.net/news_ar...
From the comments: "I have a really bad feeling about this: three of the most morally bankrupt organisations in the known world, the Roman Catholic Church, Apple Computers and Fox News, coming together in some sort of trinity of evil." :) - Eivind
Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire (_Questions sur les miracles_, 1765, quoted in http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki...)
Full French quote: <<Il y a eu des gens qui ont dit autrefois: Vous croyez des choses incompréhensibles, contradictoires, impossibles, parce que nous vous l’avons ordonné; faites donc des choses injustes parce que nous vous l’ordonnons. Ces gens-là raisonnaient à merveille. Certainement qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste. Si vous n’opposez point aux ordres de croire l’impossible l’intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l’être également. Et c’est là ce qui a produit tous les crimes religieux dont la terre a été inondée.>> - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Translated: "Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is unjust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust. If the God-given understanding of your mind does not resist a... more... - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
The headlined rephrasing of the quote is pithier, but "atrocity" may be a bit stronger than Voltaire intended. - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Eddy63
The seven countries where the state can execute you for being atheist http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...
Tinfoil 2.0
76 things banned in the Bible, most of which are punishable by death http://boingboing.net/2012...
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Uh-oh. I'm in trouble. - Tinfoil 2.0
Hm. You're not allowed to mistreat foreigners, but you're allowed to keep them as slaves? I guess you have to be really good to your slaves, then :) - Eivind
Eddy63
Jesus Explains The Crucifixion https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Eivind
Letters of Note: Why I am an Atheist - http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012...
Letters of Note: Why I am an Atheist
"In 1903, Kentucky-based newspaper "Blue-grass Blade" asked its readers to write in and contribute to a forthcoming feature named, "Why I am An Atheist."" - Eivind from Bookmarklet
"Why am I an Atheist [/] Because it has dawned upon me that it is right to be so, and upon investigation I find no real evidence of the divine origin of the scriptures. And because I cannot, as a refined and respectable woman, take to my bosom as a daily guide a book of such low morals and degrading influences. Written by a lot of priests, I cannot accept a salvation that is based... more... - Eivind
seriously bold words for the time (not to mention now). i hope she didn't attract trouble by them. - Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
I was very surprised to find out that a Kentucky newspaper would prepare such a feature in the early 1900s. I'd like to find out more about the religious climate around that time in the US. - Eivind
Why are you surprised? - MoTO #TeamMonique
I guess I keep making the mistake of thinking atheism is a modern thing. At least that it wasn't something you went public with in Christendom. - Eivind
I'm not sure what "Christendom" is. But in my neck of the woods, near Kentucky, you were pretty free to express your belief, or non-belief as long as you were willing for some older relative to label you a "heathen" and "back slider" while they fed you. - MoTO #TeamMonique
"Ancient"? :) - MoTO #TeamMonique
That was a bit later, though, MoTO, and I'd be equally surprised to find such a feature in a Norwegian paper from the first decade of the 1900s. I guess I tend to imagine the last 500 years or so as this linear march of progress (for 'the West') where we've gotten more and more social freedoms. I've encountered things many times before that didn't fit this model, but it seems to still... more... - Eivind
BC is ancient, right? - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
It is to me. I think 'ancient' lasts about up to 'medieval' :) - Eivind
back in 8th grade i once made the mistake of calling myself an atheist. same day, after school, i got cornered by the bike rack by 10-15 WASPy Southern Baptist boys who proceeded to kick the shit out of me. i was peeing blood for most of a week. cops and school district were emphatically not interested. this happened in north Texas in 1982. - Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
While Kentucky is now a hotbed of religious fundamentalism and political conservatism, for a long time it was more of a live and live state. Religious fundamentalism didn't arrive in force until later in the 20th century. For instance, the church I grew up in, The Church of God, wasn't even founded until around 1900. The same is true for the Assembly of God which started on the West coast in 1906. - Friar Ticket to Ride
unrelated: i was "born again" in 2004. some ppl might never believe that, tho! - Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Joe, one of my old roommates had almost the same experience in elementary school in TN (late 80's.) Her teacher basically said "it's your fault for being a godless heathen," and punished her instead of the other kids. I still don't get that sort of hate. - Jennifer Dittrich
Eivind, in the mid 1800's many German freethinkers immigrated to Texas, particularly around Fredericksburg and Comfort. Leonard is only about 500km north of there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Ken Morley
I was expecting to see Samuel P. Putnam in that article. Maybe he wasn't a big name? I love his poem 'Earthward.' (edit: I just realized I don't even know if he's American :")) - Eivind
I admire young Minnie Parrish not only for her boldness saying that she's an atheist, but her courage to be a feminist while saying it, too. I think she's really something. But what you think about this? http://www.slate.com/article... - Cyber Wanderlust
I think the people harassing her are dicks. I don't understand why they're so angry, and I am no fan of the 'someone else has it worse' argument to try to silence complaints. - Eivind
Eivind
Forer effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
"The Forer effect (also called the Barnum Effect after P.T. Barnum's observation that "we've got something for everyone") is the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, graphology, and some types of personality tests." - Eivind from Bookmarklet
It's like this wiki article was written just. for. me. - Micah
It was, Micah, it was. - Tinfoil 2.0
*checks my editor username and revision history* - Micah
Prompted by Norway's national healer/psychic informing us through the papers that most of the other witches and wizards are faking it. - Eivind
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Eivind
"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior." –Congressman Paul Broun, M.D.
LOL - نیک
Embryology? He doesn't believe in the study of embryos? I watched the video and wished I hadn't. Young-Earth Creationists and people who take the Bible literally word-for-word make me want to pull out my hair. You know I believe in God, Eivind, but I don't think that the belief in a higher power and the fact of evolution have to be mutually exclusive. I am so frustrated right now by the... more... - Kelli H.
The conflict between strict biblical interpretation and advancing scientific discovery is likely one of the key drivers in causing formerly 'churched' people to abandon their religion. By contrast, these 'encroaching' facts trigger a siege mentality among the more rigid, fundamentalist believers. The resulting chasm becomes ever wider and the likelihood of ever being bridged grows... more... - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
^^^truth^^^ And also why I love my faith. Some mysteries I will give to God whether we popped on earth as Adam and Eve or as a parable of Adam and Eve (evolution). - Janet:#TeamMonique
Yeah, I was surprised about the embryology part, Kelli. I guess he subscribes to the Stork Theory that Big Sex has been suppressing for so long. - Eivind
No words. Just no words. - Friar Ticket to Ride
Eivind
"Is it moral to take one innocent life in order to save ten?" - Eivind from Bookmarklet
That depends upon your definitions of moral and innocent. :^) - Friar Ticket to Ride
But in truth, I say "No." - Friar Ticket to Ride
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