Yes, Mo asked to participate in the Ass Roasting. I wasn't really serious about it until Mo asked. Then I had to make it exist.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
LMAO, Kamilah so awesome, but you missed Sean's half-stache and goatee. Those would have made it even more awesome.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
aw, shoot. I checked, but I wasn't sure about the status of his facial hair.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
This is THE. BEST. THING. ON. THE. INTERNET. EVER. *weeps for joy*
- MoTO Bott
I'm tempted to lie about it just to see what I'd look like in one of your illustrations
- chrisofspades
oh, though sketch is good, ever had an exhibition?
- testbeta
I always knew it. The first time I saw Mo Kargas on FF, I knew he could roast asses with his eyes.
- Joshua
Thanks, everyone :) I don't know that I can sell the original sketchbook, it's really my personal journal. As I say from time to time, though, my goal is to do some larger drawings and paintings, and eventually I hope to sell those, I just need, like, 48 hours in a day to get everything done... it's going to happen somehow, soon. I have had some of my work exhibited at various times,...
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- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, you're here! You should subscribe to me. :)
- EricaJoy
What happens if I subscribe to you, Erica? Is something in particular happening over on your feed?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Nothing interesting happening on my feed but I bet $100 I could make your day. :)
- EricaJoy
By the way Kamilah? I want the MoBot on a t-shirt.... Pleeeaaaasssseeee???
- MoTO Bott
Yes, giant robots are made of win. I dunno, Barry... last time I tried to make a t-shirt, people got all excited but no-one bought it (DYSP!). I might just make a design but not bother to try setting up a Spreadshirt (or whichever one it was that I used) for it. I'll have to see.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I could do that somehow, I guess. I've taken payments through PayPal before. I wonder what pose the MoBot should be in? Have some source material I could work from?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
jnman, google's translation service has it's limitations. I don't know what is different about that particular comment, though. This is anecdotal, but I would roughly estimate that 20% of the posts I've tried google translate responds with at least some null translation results.
- Micah
Thank you Micah! Josh just showed me how to do it. I didn't know you had to open an individual post by clicking the time. I'm tech challenged. :)
- Trish Haley
Trish, thank you for the honesty. Ahhhh, _documentation_ so often an afterthought *scolds self*. Actually, if someone wants to pitch in help make a tutorial, please let me know. I'm working on a full set of pre-loaded configurations for each support translation language ~ maybe it will get released tonight (hard not to be in all the great conversations, though - that's the rub :D
- Micah
Thanks, chrisofspades. I've been meaning to ask how the activity on ffThreadKiller is lately? If ya-all haven't checked it out yet head over to http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Micah - tried out the bookmarklet on safari :))) Awesome. interesting how much better the translation is that the google.com/translate .(google.com version doesn't seem to do transliterated text. - the version your script accesses is getting a fair amount of it.)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
activity waned. and I've been waffling on some back-end decisions that's preventing me from updating it.
- chrisofspades
from email
Rob, cool. That's an interesting comparison.
- Micah
chrisofspades, yeah, I guess for a lot of people the statistic is interesting initially, but doesn't have legs. Have you considered expanding what statistics it gathers? You've already worked out how it spiders, what other calculations are feasible? I've seen a lot of requests for date range searching. Maybe some slice of data related to the timestamp.
- Micah
date range searching would be sweet chrisofspades! if there's anything I can do to help please let me know! test maybe?
- metalerik
It would make a lot of sense to use Laconica as a base for this software and build the Friendfeed-like functionality as plugins. I think it could be pretty awesome.
Laconica has 85% of the needed functionality. Big additional code would be feed-scraping and clustering feeds for accounts. Building from the ground up is a big waste of time and effort. Also, as the Laconica creator and lead dev, I can commit to providing resources to make this project work.
- Evan Prodromou
Oh, also: why do you hate Laconica? Good information to have!
- Evan Prodromou
Evan, how had you imagined building "plugins" for Laconia? Do you simply mean putting the "load" on the client? Indeed, a laconica and or Twitter client could add lots on top of the respective notification services to provide a FriendFeed-like experience. http://a.tinythread.com/ is a good example of this IMO. The threaded comments there look pretty friendfeed-ish imo.
- Meryn Stol
Laconica has a server-side plugin architecture already. 3rd-party code can "hook" important events in the main code and enhance or replace the default processing for those events, firing either before or after the events occur. There are hookpoints in the code for UI events (showing the header, showing the sidebar, etc.) database and domain object events (saving a new status, saving a...
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- Evan Prodromou
@Matthew Devries, no, it's not! You need to look a little closer.
- Evan Prodromou
Evan, I do not have any experience with Laconica. Does it already support threaded conversations? That would be a start.
- Meryn Stol
@Meryn also, you may want to check out our threaded conversation pages like http://identi.ca/convers... . It's hierarchical, not flat like FF's, and it's based off the same @-reply mechanism that Twitter uses. But it could be customized to work more like Jaiku or Friendfeed (where comments are distinct from other notices.)
- Evan Prodromou
Laconica as a base need serious consideration, imho.
- Micah
@evan, while I've got you 'on the line', I'd sure appreciate any feedback on my userscript for language translation - I'm close to finishing an adaptation for identi.ca, but at the moment you can test out the twitter port: http://translatorize.com/ Thanks! - http://identi.ca/micah
- Micah
Matthew DeVries, no, SMS is not the core of the service. That would be crack-addled.
- Evan Prodromou
Matthew DeVries: w/r/t 10K of text: not sure I understand what you mean. 10K for each notice? 10K total? What point are you trying to make?
- Evan Prodromou
Sure seems like there is overlap between laconica and openff goals. Plugins could be a great way to fill any laconica gaps towards a Friendfeed like feature set
- Jason Wehmhoener
from iPhone
The Twitter ecosystem is showing sure signs of producing equal capabilities as FriendFeed (except for update speed - that's limited by the speed of the Twitter API), so I think that will eventually happen to Laconica too. If not, then I see not much future for Laconia anyway. Social media will not stop at 140 char microblogging. The future for Twitter - if any - is being a hub in something much bigger, something even more advanced than FriendFeed.
- Meryn Stol
At the moment, I have big doubts though if even Twitter will survive. Other ways to do push notification (e.g. pubsubhubbub) pose a big threat. I'm talking long-term of course. But that doesn't make either Laconica or Twitter seem attractive for me as a developer to put time in. I'd rather invest in technologies which seem to have a bright future ahead.
- Meryn Stol
@Matthew Devries, 0.8.x versions and below limited to 140 chars/notice. 0.9.x and above will support variable-length notices, from 1 to unlimited. We'll use truncation to deal with channels (like Twitter or SMS) that are space-constrained.
- Evan Prodromou
Interesting idea, Evan Prodromou. Does Laconi.ca support real time through the web interface?
- Vezquex
@Raphael yes it does. We support three different real-time update servers: Cometd (using Bayeux), Orbited, and Meteor. We'll probably have a Strophe-based XMPP update at some point in the near future. BTW, that's all implemented with plugins.
- Evan Prodromou
@Meryn Laconica supports a distributed protocol, OpenMicroBlogging, for a federated approach. We also have plugins in progress for RSSCloud, PubSubHubBub, XMPP PubSub, and FETHR.
- Evan Prodromou
You may have something here. I'll take a look at the documentation.
- Vezquex
Great info. Thanks for dropping by, Evan!
- Kevin L
I think comments as separate from notices is a big difference. Does Laconica do groups or lists?
- Kevin L
Evan: What I mean is that anything evolved out of microblogging probably won't matter much for the future of the web and social media. I think the future belongs to completely standardized hubs, using the pubsubhubbub protocol or a protocol yet to be invented. I simply don't think microblogging will survive as a core technology. I think it will prove too limited by its past.
- Meryn Stol
yes, Laconica does groups. It also has lists.
- Evan Prodromou
Meryn, the "micro" part is a gimmick. Once you lift the character limit, there should be no problem.
- Vezquex
I don't see much reasons to have laconia hubs when there are "standardized" hubs, willing to route around anything inside an Atom feed. Why register for a particular when people can get push updates from across the web? All a user has to do in the future is produce an atom feed. The hubs will be invisible to the user. They only see their app, a kind of Wordpress or something.
- Meryn Stol
BTW This is one of the reasons why I also probably won't be contributing to the OpenFF server clone. I don't think it has much future. I think we can already see the end of the road for centralized services. I still am interested in writing a client which can talk to all different (either centralized or federated) services out there... From a user's standpoint, broad compatibility with existing networks is a big plus.
- Meryn Stol
Matthew, huh? I think the first goal is to build something very much technological the same as FriendFeed. Federation is the next step. But peer to peer is not even on the agenda (at least for the openff project as I know it). And as I said, I don't particularly like that roadmap. It does not really excite me.
- Meryn Stol
Laconi.ca is a natural choice to build a project of this type on top of, IMHO.
- hex
Evan, I learned some interesting things about laconica from this thread and will be taking a closer look
- Jason Wehmhoener
As this is a community open federated project I suggest to use open source Jaikuengine with pubsubhubbub running on Google Appengine. Reasons: Dealing with scalability(twitter has Big DDOS issues) Google infrastructure is the best, Real time push and pull based on pubsubhubbub (community hub is available). Jaiku threaded conversation is cool.It has Channels too. Regarding Macro (not...
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- Srini Vemula
You don't need to adapt laconica to that when NoseRub is so much close to what Friendfeed is. Actually, there are only a couple of features left in NoseRub to be a friendfeed clone (feature-wise, not presentation-wise). A running service using NoseRub is Identoo.com (Identoo is to NoseRub what identica is to laconica)
- Marcos Marado
Marcos, does Noserub have some kind of plugin and/or theme architecture so that changes to Noserub can be made without coordinating those changes with the core Noserub development team? I ask because when I look at indentoo.com it doesn't look/work much like Friendfeed, so it's possible the Noserub team has different goals. However, if Noserub supports plugins and/or themes it's possible that different goals can be supported without any issue.
- Jason Wehmhoener
If somebody wants to build plug-ins for Laconi.ca that make it more FriendFeed-like, or join the NoseRub project and add more FriendFeed-like functionality to that system, or just work on other projects that connect FriendFeed proper with Laconi.ca with NoseRub instances, I say more power to them. My impression to date has been that all that's distinct from the OpenFF effort, the intent of which is to build an OSS "clone" of FriendFeed as a new and separate project and code base.
- Ken Sheppardson
Matthew: The kind of distributed messaging that would be ideal for OpenFF is exactly what OpenMicroBlogging (now OStatus) provides. Users on different domains may subscribe and reply and each other, even on entirely separate server instances.
- Mike Chelen
Evan: Where are lists in StatusNet/Laconica? Never seen how they can be used.
- Mike Chelen
"I have lost 30 lbs. (13.6 kg) and have shrunk 2 pants sizes so far in my weight loss this year. Woohoo! I'm almost at my college size!"
- Russellreno
from Bookmarklet
CONGRATULATIONS!! that's awesome!! you look GREAT! :)
- Susan Beebe
eek... Does Carmen know about this? :\
- Mona Nomura
o hai! :) thx for the fave and the post Russell! thanks Susan and Mark ;) Comments and such when I first published the photo: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Carmen wBabby
@Mona if Carmen had it put into public view, why on Earth she should bother about knowing? and probably she won't hear anything negative -- after all, she maid such a leap forward!
- A. T.
congrats and now i think, 'gosh, i could have lost 30lbs since jan.'. instead i converted a lot of my muscle into fat. which was hard, but so not fulfilling.
- Anika
Wow, great job. She even looks a little younger too!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've been doing plenty of gym work over the last couple of months, i'm fitter than i've been in a while, and i've dropped two trouser sizes - fitness FTW :)
- Iain Baker
so carmen...umm.,,what are you doing this friday night? maybe you and i can...you know....exchange cooking recipes here on friendfeed or something.
- Cee Bee
thanks so much for the wonderful comments, everyone! I'm getting closer to my goal and it's so exciting! my new lifestyle has made this a wonderful year. so, cee... exchanging recipes... is that what they're calling it these days? ;) delicious. russell - hubby may be in class that night, so it may be just me. I'll ask a friend of mine who is starting photography school if she can make it out too.
- Carmen wBabby
Mad Dog Palin--The scariest thing about John McCain's running mate isn't how unqualified she is - it's what her candidacy says about America : Rolling Stone - http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...
WOW...This is not just another article digging at palin - it is THE article digging at palin and her 'cultural' significance.
- Anna Haro
from Bookmarklet
"The great insight of the Palin VP choice is that huge chunks of American voters no longer even demand that their candidates actually have policy positions; they simply consume them as media entertainment, rooting for or against them according to the reflexive prejudices of their demographic, as they would for reality-show contestants or sitcom characters. Hicks root for hicks, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains."
- Anna Haro
The truly disgusting thing about Sarah Palin isn't that she's totally unqualified, or a religious zealot, or married to a secessionist, or unable to educate her own daughter about sex, or a fake conservative who raised taxes and horked up earmark millions every chance she got. No, the most disgusting thing about her is what she says about us: that you can ram us in the ass for eight...
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- Anna Haro
"Democracy doesn't require a whole lot of work of its citizens, but it requires some: It requires taking a good look outside once in a while, and considering the bad news and what it might mean, and making the occasional tough choice, and soberly taking stock of what your real interests are."
- Anna Haro
See, I believe that as a citizen you have the responsibility to pay attention to the people who will represent you and the laws they enact in your name. But with poor reporting and politicians doing so much behind closed doors, there's a dumbing down of American culture that's acceptable. How many people have you talked to who seem to have an opinion they want to spout on politics and in the same breath state proudly, "Politics bores me." or even worse, "All politicians are the same."?
- Anika
Wow, that's a hell of a picture. After reading the first two paragraphs, all I could think was how badly Matt Taibbi wants to be Hunter S. Thompson.
- Carla Thompson
Personally, I like Rolling Stone articles. But a word of caution.. they are always unapologetically extremely left-leaning.
- Phil Glockner
hahaha...Carla, I thought the same thing.
- Anna Haro
The ironic thing is that the media is the primary cause of all this. Reducing politicians statements to sound bites where a few words from a larger speach can be spun one way or another. Politicians don't have to have grand ideas or positions, they just stick to hot button issues that play well on TV. Couple that with lobbyists and special interest groups to give them butt loads of...
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- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Of course J Phil. It's one perspective, one article, out of MANY.
- Anna Haro
I honestly don't know what the terms "left" and "right" mean anymore in American politics. I try to figure out who has the best command of the facts and who is making the most sense. This article makes a great deal of sense. (If I must define myself politically with a label, it would be "progressive libertarian.")
- Sean McBride
"Here's what Sarah Palin represents: being a fat fucking pig who pins "Country First" buttons on his man titties and chants "U-S-A! U-S-A!" at the top of his lungs while his kids live off credit cards and Saudis buy up all the mortgages in Kansas." - wow...harsh.
- Chris Hollander
Very interesting read, though disturbing. I put my money on McCain/Palin winning the election.
- ˈpɛbə
I don't think I'd talk with him too much at a party. ;)
- Yolanda
Classic: "After eight years of unprecedented corruption, incompetence, waste and greed, the party of Karl Rove understood that 50 million Americans would not demand solutions to any of these problems so long as they were given a new, new thing to beat their meat over."
- Raoul Pop
Taibbi *nails it* w/ the consumption of candidates as media entertainment. Infotainment has utterly corrupted news such that they are largely indistinguishable now. A huge disservice to the populace. And, of course, it results in this insane Reality TV show in front of us.
- Ayşe E.
wow..such poignant words. The article still resonating even after reading it through.
- Alan Le
Why is the entire country not going, "WTF? You can't find a person more qualified in the entire Republican party? REALLY?!?!" Her selection was condescending to our entire citizenry, and everyone seems to be rolling with it.
- Robert Fischer
why aren't they more outraged? because they're living vicariously via the pit bull. they see her and say, 'she's just like me'. but prettier and i bet you they aren't willing to admit that. so they over-identify with her and i'm left saying, 'yea, but i wouldn't vote you president of a committee of 2.'
- Anika
Liked only because of the picture, not because I have any interest in US politics. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
"But watching Palin's speech, I had no doubt that I was witnessing a historic, iconic performance. The candidate sauntered to the lectern with the assurance of a sleepwalker — and immediately launched into a symphony of snorting and sneering remarks, taking time out in between the superior invective to present herself as just a humble gal with a beefcake husband and a brood of healthy,...
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- Roberto Bonini
"The rest of Palin's speech was the same dog-whistle crap Republicans have been railing about for decades. Palin's crack about a mayor being "like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities" testified to the Republicans' apparent belief that they can win elections till the end of time running against the Sixties. (They're probably right.)"
- Roberto Bonini
dear god, if you exist and hear prayers, please please, let there be some notion of civility return to this country in my lifetime. a man.
- Nathan Eckenrode
"Google Chrome 4 has been released in the buildbot directory and is available for download for Windows, Linux and Max OS. After installing Google Chrome 4.0 from Buildbot’s snapshots, I checked Chromium’s about screen. Build 23181 is tagged as 4.0.202.0. No significant changes have been noticed except the ‘Get Themes’ Option, which is now available under Options -> Personal Stuff. Google Chrome is considered as one of the fastest browser and is gaining the market share quickly. Technical Program Manager Anthony Laforge says- “We’ve officially bumped Chromium to 4.0.x to reflect our code freeze point for 3.0. There is still a bit of work that needs to be done for 3.0 in terms of stability and fixes, and to that end we will be pulling changes into the 195 branch (what will become the stable release). Keep your eyes out for future updates on the beta channel.”"
- Dan Smith
from Bookmarklet
Yeah, it seems speedy. I guess they will officially push it to the dev channel soon.
- Dan Smith
from IM
Dev channel for Mac Chrome (proper, not chromium) is 3.0.198.1 - And also, how does one get the dev channel changer to work in the Win7RC. Mine always says "NO UPDATE CHANNEL - you are not using GoogleUpdate etc etc) Off to look into the buildbot.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
No script support that I can see, pass. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It's blazin. I've moved to Chrome for personal browsing (I can live without Flash)
- Ahsan Ali
Ahsan, Mona was saying that youtube vids were working for her in Chrome/Mac. I don't know how she did it though.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OMFG. I just installed this from the buildbot on the mac. It SMOKES. HUGE improvement over Chrome 3.0.198.1. I'm as impressed with the improvement over Chrome3 as I was with the first chrome install on my windows machine (comparing to Firefox3)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
has anyone tried anything higher than this one 4.0.202.0 (23181)?
- metalerik
I'm trying out 23573, working nicely and very fast!
- Ivan Zuzak
ok, i'll try 23577 from 14:30 today. Ivan, do you see any differences?
- metalerik
differences? it seems a lot faster than the old dev build of Chrome. no quirks or instabilities so far.
- Ivan Zuzak
Rob - did you figure out how to make Chromium autoupdate?
- Ivan Zuzak
Bookmark sync, Get Themes button and import from Google Toolbar is all I see.
- Hugh Isaacs II
The bookmark sync thing is not working for me on Chromium (works on Chrome). Anyone managed to get it working on Chromium?
- Ivan Zuzak
Ivan, same here. I don't see any option to sync .. I've started chromium with the --enable-sync flag
- Ahsan Ali
I've got the option (PC version), just added "-enable-sync" to the shortcut. But I'm not using Chromium unless someone knows how to turn on scripts and extensions or knows where they sit on our local computers?
- Kol Tregaskes
if you copy-pasted it from a blog Ahsan, you need to remove the space between the two hyphens. I did that and it works for me now -->- http://bit.ly/7Erc7
- vijay
I typed it out :) Still no luck. I'm running: "Chromium 4.0.202.0 (23528)"
- Ahsan Ali
from IM
I'm running regular chrome (4.0.201.1) so it's probably an issue with the particular build you're running. Next build will set things right.
- vijay
What is the difference between Google Chrome and Chromium ? I just installed this Chromium 23181 and it didn't erase the Chrome 3 that I had installed. Now I can run both : the "About" screens are differents (one says Chromium, the other says Google Chrome), but both versions are now 4.0.202.0. I don't understand shit captain.
- fwed
Chromium 4 will not auto update AFAIK. I'm running the 4.0.202.0 (202.0) build on the Mac. I haven't looked for a new one yet.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fwed: Not sure why the two names, but the main difference I've seen so far is javascript speed. Chromium4 is smoking fast. This build is a little crashy on my Mac. Not sure what's causing it, but I'm getting a fair amount of "aw snap" errors. I'm running PeopleBrowsr in it (which is all js) and it runs fine. If I view mostly plain html pages it seems to crash on me.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
i think 3 must be stable for themes and addons now. this can increase the user count. and sony deal is also here
- Ahmet Soyata
How 'bout an app that will take all the feeds from all the people I subscribe to on FriendFeed and create an OPML file I can import into Google Reader?
And when I say "feeds", I mean the direct feeds from the services they import into their account, not their composite feed. The idea would be to move the aggregation function out of FriendFeed into Reader.
- Ken Sheppardson
That would be a pretty potent app. I wonder if Google's PubSubHubbub wouldn't be a key part of an alternative to the FriendFeed stream in Google Reader itself? I am probably mashing up tools which don't really fit together but I did read that there is a beta version of Google Reader in the wings which takes advantage of tools like PubSubHubbub to collect content in almost realtime.
- Paul Jacobson
That would be a great thing for getting content from your friends (sign me up!), but they'd have to use GReader's (currently limited) tools to continue the conversation there.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Or we'd have to revert to the "old" model where we actually had conversations on the site where the content was originally posted.
- Ken Sheppardson
people need to publish their own OPML feeds that we can all subscribe to. That way if they add a new service it will get updated automatically. Then with an open comment protocol and we have a lot more distributed system.
- John Cooper
from fftogo
Ok. That number was not solid. I pulled that from another source. I should have linked it and stated that the number was not verified.
- Franklin Pettit
from email
It is estimated that FriendFeed's user base is between 170,000 and 200,000.
- Louis Gray
I'd wager no more than 200K "registered users", and no more than 15K "active users". The most popular users have no higher than 50K followers, and considering the similarity of user profiles (Scoble, Leo, Mashable, Kevin Rose, etc) it's likely that they shared many (most) users. This is substantiated by casual browsing the most popular and most active users subscriber base. I could be wrong, but I see no evidence to point to higher numbers than that...
- Jeremy Toeman
366,112 users being tracked via FFHolic.com
- AJ Batac :)
To summarize, people are asking for a way to get their data out of FriendFeed, and the solution seems to be to use the API. However, when using http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... you can only get a subset of that data using the num parameter. Benjamin Golub said the limit should be 20,000, but at least using this feed, it's closer to 100 (or about a few days for my feed).
- Mark Trapp
Hiroshi Nakamura says to use paging, using the start parameter. That's what I'm trying to avoid: for a non-developer, to try and get an entire corpus of FriendFeed activity only 100 entries at a time is non-trivial. If we could get a far larger set (or everything) in one request, it'd be easy for regular Joes to utilize the API to export their data without relying on a developer to help them.
- Mark Trapp
It could be I'm just using the API incorrectly or misunderstanding the FriendFeed team, though. Is there a way to get more posts per request? If so, how?
- Mark Trapp
Thanks Mark. It must be helpful to all. As you stated above there's no way to get all entries in a chunk as far as I know. Number 20000 Benjamin said is about a start index I think. I'm afraid I cannot help.
- NaHi
from m.ctor.org
Attempting to get everything in one request might be bad for the servers. I got a year's worth of stuff in my feed, and thousands of people with feeds my size or bigger might attempt this.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I don't doubt it'd be intensive: I just want to make sure that this is the only way, given the comments from Paul and others that have been made about using the API to export data. Non-developers are looking for a way to export their data, and it doesn't look like they can use the API to do that on their own.
- Mark Trapp
Also, this is hardly an actual dump of your data. What about the pictures and the files you uploaded?
- alieb
Agreed to all. I'll create export tool on FF API when the last day really comes. The tool should dump RSSs with referencing data.
- NaHi
from m.ctor.org
RSS is better at capturing differential changes to a feed, I would think. I was working on a tool that dumped a full JSON or XML feed: it'd be relatively easy to transform between structured formats, regardless. Good call on the files and images, alieb: I didn't even think of those. A full export tool would have to go into each entry and download all the file references. That seems like a real hassle.
- Mark Trapp
I think I'll need RSSs + jpg, png, mp3 and pdfs for importing those to other services.
- NaHi
from m.ctor.org
I actually tried with Ben's 20000 limit and I'm getting only 100 entries. As for the files and the pictures, I guess that one could write a script to parse the json and wget all these files, but phew! That's a LOT.
- directeur
Benjamin: thanks for clarifying, that's what I thought. Using the start parameter, you can go back really far, but I think people were hoping for a way to get their entire feed in one go without development. I'm not the most active, but it would take several dozen requests to piece together my entire feed for the past year and a half.
- Mark Trapp
would definitely nice to get all there..
- Neya
from fftogo
Everyone's whining about FaceFeed. But, the best time to sell a company is when you're the hot up-and-comer. Facebook made a smart (buzz & talent) buy, and FriendFeed probably made a smart business decision. But most people are not pissed that it was sold, but to whom. The crux of it is: most FFers don't like Facebook.
Let's clarify, a lot of FFers don't like FB for some *very specific* reasons: it's slow, it's clunky, the UI is horrible, the apps are nightmares to deal with, the privacy settings are a crock and more convoluted than my house's mortgages documents, plus the ever questionable use of your copyrighted materials in their ads. But other than all those things, FB is great =/
- FFing Enigma
I always forget that one jcunwired, mainly because I don't actually participate on FB. I don't participate there because it's ugly as homemade sin and slower than running in a stream of molasses.
- FFing Enigma
BTW: I am one of the whiners. I don't like Facebook either. I, too, want to take my marbles and go home. But I'm also saying: if I were FriendFeed, I probably would have done this deal. And if I were Facebook, I *surely* would have done this deal. We have to see all sides.
- Anthony Citrano
Well, I guess out best hope is the FriendFeedization of Facebook, versus the Facebookification of FriendFeed.
- phil baumann
I am on FriendFeed because I don't like Facebook (or Twitter). If I wanted to be active on Facebook, I'd already be active on Facebook... But I'm not... I prefer FriendFeed... and the idea of being "forced" to use Facebook instead makes me sick. I will just quit if that's the only option. :(
- Lindsay
I think we do, Anthony. At least, most of us do. I'm proud and happy for the FF staff for the sale, I just dislike where the check came from. And I kinda wish the announcement had been handled differently, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
- FFing Enigma
But Lindsay, was it that you never expected the company to be sold or you expected them to stay independent forever and try to find a profit model (about which I can almost hear the alternate-reality whining.) This word "betrayal" is being thrown around. I'm wondering what you betrayees would have had them do (or what your expectations were.)
- Anthony Citrano
I saw FriendFeed as becoming it's own platform... it was well on it's way and had lots of potential for growth and expansion. There are innovations in its search, many people had already expressed interest in paying for "Pro features" if they were offered, and they had already received enough funding to keep them afloat for several years... I know the money was too tempting, and I don't...
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- Lindsay
I have a preconception that it's hard to find new people on Facebook - after all, it was built for old people, as in: relatives, old school chums et al. My daughter pointed out that if you spend time on Group and fan pages, you can have FF-like discussions and meet new people that way, although I really like hovering over people to get a sense of who they are while i'm reading their...
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- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
I hear you Lindsay and am off to read your article now. I share your assessment that it could probably have done reasonably well within that model. Although it (the product or the codebase) never would have seen mass acceptance, I don't think.
- Anthony Citrano
FriendFeedization of Facebook will probably help. It needs some work, though!
- Tim Tyler
@Tina and jcunwired: Just to clarify, Facebook censors *some* content. Evidently breastfeeding mothers are *bad, bad, bad*, but Holocaust deniers are A-OK. As for me, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach for now. I'm not happy about the merge, but done is done.
- vicster
@jcunwired: I don't use FB so I can't comment of their censoring of content over and above what's already publicly known. But current FF is not without censorship either, and of almost worse –self-administered– kind. Giving every Tim, Jane and Harry ability to delete and block access to others' comments in their threads inevitably leads to abuse. At least moderators of large fora (or...
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- ianf ⌘
So delighted to see so many saying FB is slow and clunky! I see so many "social media mavens" raving about it & how useful it is. It takes me forever to do 2 things on there! Useful? I am always left with a sense of tremendous time wasted. No useful... Who knows what the merger will bring? A whole new yet to exist option might show up. Zuckerberg wants to grow FB to really be the...
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- Amy Flynn
Amy, that's because anybody calling herself (or allowing to be called) "a social media maven," expert, or, worse, "a pundit," by definition isn't. It's like wearing a badge of a "Wannabe Professional."
- ianf ⌘
Along with what Tina mentioned, FB is where I have to hangout (work) and FF is my neighborhood pub.
- Robert Miller
for me, FriendFeed is all about data and content, and FB is all about people. I don't foresee FB changing its model at this point, so I see the end of FF as the most likely result.
- tim
@tim: sadly I agree with you. I'm still trying to get my head around what a "good" integration/merge will look like.
- Anthony Citrano
NEW GROUP!!! "FriendFeed Petition" http://friendfeed.com/friendf... What's gonna happen to our community, data and favorite features now that Facebook has acquired FriendFeed? Sign this petition to get FriendFeed management to speak up, NOW!
http://friendfeed.com/friendf... Sign it, party people!!! Subscribe to the group, leave your own INDIVIDUAL post about why this has upset you and why you want answers NOW!
- Brad Williamson
No. Sorry. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that FF is perfectly aware of the issues already, given the 18,000 posts from FriendFeed users which basically say the same thing. Anything they can say has already been said.
- Ian Betteridge
signed. What will happen with all of the pushing / pulling of the multiple other social networks and sites that friendfeed currently supports?
- Vinny
Plus, not a chance in the world that I would sign this as you've spammed it to many completely irrelevant groups.
- Ian Betteridge
My question will not get an answer but signed anyway
- M F
Well, sorry Brad, but I block spammers. Just because you think it's important enough to spam every group you can think of doesn't mean you're right. It's a completely selfish attitude, and I resent it. Sorry, but bye.
- Ian Betteridge
Maybe I'm just not very informed.. but what's the validity of a petition? As in, does a certain number of signatures entitle the people to their view? Or is it just sorta saying "Yea, we all agree.. see?" and hoping people listen?
- Angelo Rodrigues
It's just a stupid reason to start a new group ;-) Nah... It's really a place where we can all gather in common agreement about something that really sucks hard. And maybe it'll get the FF management to stop partying for a minute and tend to the people who really want some answers.
- Brad Williamson
Do Friendfeed users stand at risk of losing all the bookmarks, notes and other data they have collected and stored on Friendfeed over a year and longer?
- Sean McBride
Losing all of one's Friendfeed data would be disturbing. Facebook and Friendfeed should issue an official statement on this question as soon as possible.
- Sean McBride
I don't know how useful it will be, but I am here too
- Flavio
Included in that data is our subscribers and friends we might lose. If there's one thing that carries over, our network of connections absolutely must remain.
- Brad Williamson
Speaking of FF feedback, this ridiculous cross-post should be exhibit #1 about why we need to be able to hide individual posts when browsing groups/rooms.
- Andrew C (✓)
+1 to Brad. I like large crossposting. Brad is announcing possible new groups you can visit. It is good. Nobody is forced to go there. As to petition issue, Im sure FF team already reads it and is aware. http://friendfeed.com/petrnews
- pb:
And here is the response I left to Paul's statement... There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece...
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- Brad Williamson
Such a horrifying picture... Why am I getting Service Unavailable on this??
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I may have missed it but who drew that picture?
- Benjamin Taylor
Keep this the hell out of the twitter room, thanks. Not commenting in any way on the cause, just your spammy blasting of it around.
- Brad McCrorey
Ha! Don't you know that "Brad's" aren't supposed to hate on other "Brad's?"
- Brad Williamson
Not hating on you, just your methods. I'm not an Apple Room admin, but I'd delete it out of here too if I were.
- Brad McCrorey
Turning yourself into a spammer isn't going to help your cause, or any other. Quite the opposite.
- Brad McCrorey
sign all the petitions you want it will not change a mulit-million dollar deal no matter how many you get. Don't get me wrong but these guys are living the American dream. It sucks to us because we all loved the idea of a community of like minded people, but at the end of the day no one owned this site but the owners. We may bitch but get real, there decision is signed. Move forward and...
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- Lokei Atikus™®
signed. but i don't think this petition or any others (including facebook pages/causes) that crop up in the ensuing days are going to make an iota of difference to what has already happened.
- Vijay
My guess is that FB will keep FF the way it is due to the fact that FB and FF operate in completely different realms...with FB adopting some of the FF technology to enhance the FB realm. That said, what FB now needs to make very clear is a commitment to keep FF the way it is. Although probably unintended, the acquisition announcement is having a chilling effect upon third party FF developers, most notably Seesmic, due to the uncertainty of the whole thing.
- Stephen M. Otto
Pros on the "Facefeed": actually may keep friend feed alive. Anyone know how they make money. May improve Facebook integration (<1% of my facebook friends are on friendfeed...no I don't live under a rock...just in the MIdwest). May actually improve FF function. I found a learning curve that I had to get over to make it effective. Took me 2-3 goes at trying to commit to the platform....
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- Carey Lumeng
My biggest concern is that the deal was established in an effort to not bring our community sharing features over to Facebook, but to simply give them access to FriendFeed's real-time search engine.
- Brad Williamson
Can't you simply import your Friendfeeds data via RSS? Just a thought...
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
We now have a hundred Likes on this entry and 94 subscribers to the FriendFeed Petition group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... . I think if we break the 150 mark on each of these, FriendFeed will DEFINITELY void Facebook's acquisition of them. Yup, I couldn't be more confident that that's what will happen. Done deal, dudes... done deal ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Yes... Santa Claus, Batman and Spider-Man will tear up the deal documents themselves! ;)
- Bill Sodeman
Hitler, holed up in his bunker, just found out about FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook. He's not very happy about it. (Thanks to Matt Mastracci for the idea!)
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
It's hilarious because right at the end when the text is about him going back to Twitter, he's actually talking about putting a bullet in his head.
- abacab
Oh man, that was entirely unintentional, too. I don't think I've ever seen the original subtitles.
- Mark Trapp
OMG I laughed so hard I cried. Well done sir!
- Mark Krynsky
Well done. and all this time I figured you had no idea who the FFundercats were. Well done! I made all the parallels easily.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
"That is bullshit. I've been a member since the site went public!" - Hilarious! :D
- Meryn Stol
"Don't worry, we still have Plurk." - too funny.
- Meryn Stol
That is f'ing fabulous. Thanks for making me laugh instead of cry.
- Larry Hawes
Too funny! I did wonder if I was going to cry but I managed to make it to the end without losing it. Too bad I can't share this with anyone IRL.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
funny and sad at the same time. only peeps who have been here for the last 2+ years can totally relate. :(
- AJ Batac :)
WHY DOES THAT FAT KID KEEP SHOWING UP IN MY FEED?!#~
- Akiva
What's so funny is I've seen this hitler remix so many times, but I've never seen the real movie it's based on, it will be interesting to see how I'll perceive it.
- Ray Cromwell
Daniel: the TechCrunch comments are great; a community of Buzz Killingtons. Everyone's a historian!
- Mark Trapp
Great work Mark! So many great references.
- Mike Doeff
that was awesome. FFundercats MOW hilarious
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Mark, this is great... Unfortunately after seeing this I am beginning to feel a bit bummed
- Bindu Reddy
Very funny! I think I got most of it, but *alas* I don't know who/what the "Fat Kid" deal was. I must've missed that phase of FF.
- Mark J Colonel Colonic
Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
We love you guys and FriendFeed.. we are just a little hurt and worried.. just please give us details as soon as possible.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Lindsay
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- iTad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
Thank you - but I would very much like our content to stay intact. :)
- Mona Nomura
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A. T.
Nice to hear. Too bad you don't call the shots anymore.
- JCunwired
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Vicarbott
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- pb:
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- pb:
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
*throws a sheep at Paul* is that a good thing?
- Just Joe
from iPod
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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- pb:
I got on Facebook, Twitter, and FriendFeed all at the same time. The only reason I update the others is because I know it will feed here, where the people who's opinion I care about are located. I never get much from Twitter or Facebook. I'll update them because I have to for the podcast and to keep up with a few people, but not because I'm excited to share and see what people say. Sorry social networking, this was my home, and now it's scheduled for demolition.
- Eric
"Brent Jones, a molecular mixologist at the famed Hotel Jerome, A RockResort in Aspen, CO, has taken his love of bacon to a whole new level with his innovative BLT cocktail." ~~~ o_O
- Live4Emma (L4S)
from Bookmarklet
not the first time I have heard of bacon being used in a cocktail.
- Karma Martell
Me either but considering how much I love a good blt, might have to whip this up one day....when I'm feeling brave enough! :-)
- Live4Emma (L4S)
from iPhone
Hey now, LG, Looney Tunes is frakking awesome. How about Disney buying Pixar? Oh, wait..... (and actually, that one hasn't worked out badly, so is there yet hope?)
- Jandy
++ Jandy -> How about Dreamworks buying Studio Ghibli?
- Tinfoil 2.0
*smacks MVB* How DARE you besmirch tinker toys!!! Oh, and what's up with fiddling with your name, you trying to make me get MDV and MVB confused?
- FFing Enigma
How does everybody feel about all the time invested in Friendfeed now? Especially since it sounds like it will be "assimilated" into Facbook eventually to not exist.
I'm probably in the minority here. I spend most of my time on FF and FB so I'm hoping it will be a plus. FB is where most of my interactions take place. FF is where I get most of my business info. It would be nice to combine them into one app somehow. I wold like to see FF's influence on FB more.
- Katy Barrilleaux
I don't mind. The time invested made me a part of this community and made this community a part of my life. What I've lived here, what I've learned, the people I've met, Facebook can't take that from me.
- Brome
I don't mind about the time invested but I think I will find it difficult to invest the same amount of time in the coming months, weeks or whatever we have left. I will have to find something else just as stimulating, it won't be easy but I know it won't be Facebook.
- M F
It's not necessarily the time invested, its the connections to other PEOPLE and the possibility of losing those connections that I'm concerned about. Sure content is nice and all, but its the daily interaction with FRIENDS that matter to me the most on my FEED.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I think I have already been amply rewarded for my "investment". Problem is I am greedy -- I would like to continue to invest and reap rewards and I don't think that scenario will play out so well.
- Brian Sullivan
I have RLFs on Facebook and virtual Friends on FriendFeed. Facebook is my private life (pics of kids, woke up with a hang over etc.) Friendfeed is where I get lots of cool info, and hopefully share info that others may like with a broad audience. Now being the paranoid parent that I am, I do not want to be forced to un-friend the many people on FriendFeed because of my over protectiveness for my kids. That is my main concern with any possible integration.
- Steve Sill
Facebook's much wider adoption has always made it the more useful community for me. But man is FF's search useful. I actually think that's one of the huge reasons Facebook purchased FF.
- mrshl
lost, finding another place like this one will be hard...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It is pretty pretty amazing how much of a surprise this acquasition is and just how sour FF users are about it all. I think the primary reason is because the absorbtion of FF is inevitable. this essentially means no more FF. If a company like Yahoo or Microsoft had purchased FF then the reaction would be different, no?
- Adam Helweh
from BuddyFeed
It doesn't matter where we connected - it's the connections that matter, you guys.
- Mona Nomura
a little sad but inevitable I really thought twitter would buy FF
- Thomas Power
I liked the fact that business and personal stuff were relatively separate... now I'm confused...
- Nigel Walsh
I agree with Christopher. depending on how much Facebook adopts from FF the method from which we make and foster these connections is considerably different. Facebook is much more closed to "discovery" at the moment in comparison to FF or even Twitter. maybe this acquisition is meant to change that?
- Adam Helweh
from BuddyFeed
Facebook is Closed Selective Controlling (CSC). Friendfeed is Open Random Supportive (ORS). CSC has no future on the Internet and Zuckerberg knows it http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas Power
I don't feel like I've lost anything; even if all of this ends up ceasing to exist (which I highly doubt), it's still been valuable to me while it lasted.
- Tristan Seligmann
One thing is for certain, this "event" has helped prove that Friendfeed has some of the most passionate users on any social network.
- Adam Helweh
I agree with CW. I actually don't really care about the content that I have posted in Friendfeed. Much of it exists elsewhere obviously. However, I am curious to know how people feel about investing so much of their "heart" into a community and seeing the platform in which it formed get sucked into another platform as "tech". Not sure if I am articulating it correctly.
- Adam Helweh
What Alex said. And worried, and seriously annoyed. And angrier than ever with Facebook.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Like I wasted a lot of time. Yet at the same time it was all worth it.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Worried about what will happen to FriendFeed, and sad to see the service get bought out just as I was starting to get the hang of it.
- John (bird whisperer)
I could open up enjoysthin.gs to things other than likes... it's already got a realtime feed. Anyone have any interest in that?
- Ted Roden
@Ted: if needed, I'd be willing to offer up some time to do some javascript coding...
- Harold
I can code and design database backends (been teaching this in Univ.) and I'll happily help with the frontend too! Just make an announcement AJ, and I'm your man :)
- directeur
Wow... we can already build a team here. I can design the UI and code the frontend. I'm also good in testing and user experience. There seems to be a huge vacuum left by FriendFeed.
- AJ Batac :)
Ted, open it up. It will definitely be a good move. ;)
- AJ Batac :)
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Meanwhile, I'll try to write an opensource import/export app for people to use? :)
- directeur
I was already working on a FriendFeeed clone that was focused on the gaming community.... but with today's news, I am tempted to make it more generic
- Daniel Sims
Great stuff guys and an export app would be super, directeur!
- Sally Church
Daniel, I'd like to test the app when it's ready or better yet open it to us so we can help you out. Speed up the development.
- AJ Batac :)
Before you guys go down this path take a look at all the resources I have over at Lifestream Blog here: http://lifestreamblog.com/create there are plenty of scripts / projects that could provide a starting point.
- Mark Krynsky
Yea, the section under Open Source community apps would probably be the most interesting.
- Mark Krynsky
It also depends on what part of FriendFeed you want to clone... as Mark's list shows, the lifestream and importing features are easily reproduced. FriendFeed's real magic IMO is the ease of discussion & discovery, which is what I am more interested in.
- Daniel Sims
I've got a Wave account to donate to the cause... and my crufty old coding skills. Maybe an EC2 instance or two. Count me in.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
There was actually a great article posted a few months ago about the FF database structure and how it's designed for high speed access and whatnot. What would be neat would be to create an open source friendfeed clone. Of course this whole thread will probably be used in a lawsuit eventually.
- Andrew Leyden
Is there any chance when the FF gang make off like bandits they leave the keys in the API running? With a possible service level agreement?
- Andrew Smith
AJ, please do and use the Google Wave protocol. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm with you AJ! If you want some coders, you can find them [PHPUGPH]. hehe!
- Randy
I can help with backend/DB/scalability. Dev on MS platforms (Azure, anyone?), too.
- Jemm
I have 10G of space, 50G of monthly bandwidth on a friend's SoftLayer dedicated server. Lots of perks, permission to install anything I want or need. Somehow I don't think that is enough for a project like this, but I am willing to contribute some of it if it can be of any help.(I am only using a small portion of it to host a few sites. I own the domain name wtfcat.com. might be good for a cute url shortener. It ain't doing anything else useful at the moment.
- April
unless you find social magician, you fail on taking user base of any significance to justify infra maintenance
- A. T.