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Email is saved! Inbox2 rocks. Here is why: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Can we get an invite code? :)
- Aaron Myers
Yeah Robert, ask them to let you post some invite codes to FriendFeed!
- Ben Kessler
Invite Code please! ?
- Jigar Mehta
Get us all hyped up and no codes? C'mon Robert, score some codes for us.
- Jim Graham
Robert, score a code, for a Pie ala mode...:)
- Fred Tabsharani
Codes, or it didn't happen!
- David Lloyd
Invite code :) please
- Susan Beebe
Well now we're all interested. So invite codes would be awesome. Please.
- Vlad Bobleanta
sounds awesome - yes, codes!
- Karma Martell
another request for some codes...
- Paul
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
me want codes now, give um me code
- David Lloyd
Yep yep, give us some codes please.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I think I can see you from here :)
- Richard Walker
Just go to their site, they will send you the codes in an email.
- Elizabeth Good
sometime next year maybe!
- David Lloyd
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
we are btw also on twitter @inbox2 @waseemsadiq and our blog http://blog.inbox2.com (shameless self promotion)
- Waseem Sadiq
Eh, looks like an AIR app.
- Akiva
What a tease! I have already requested for an invite and now waiting...thanks Robert.
- Rahul Mirakhur
Yeah, ditto -- and after they asked us to email them so they could add us to the beta list...
- Paul
You guys allready seen this? http://www.inbox2.com/account...
- Waseem Sadiq
Robert, was this post sent directly from your phone? How do you do that?
- Skyler Call
Skyler, http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Hey, it'd be nice if you invite me to try Inbox2. The 'Request Invite' feature is not working.
- Dnyanesh
I just wrote about Twitter's Platform Shortcomings: http://scobleizer.com/2009... am I nuts or right?
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Not getting to old tweets is a serious issue. Do you think there is a market for archiving old tweets, FF posts, etc.?
- τorƍue
I think the cost for archiving everything is huge. But a backup service for all your Social Media Stuff, like an application that downloads all data with help of the APIs and save it to an external harddrive would make total sense. Maybe Timemaschine on a Mac could do that haha.
- Max Schulze
from fftogo
Max: at least 75% of the value in social media is the searchability and connectability. As I learned when I couldn't get to my Flickr photos the other day because my Pro account had lapsed.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter have all this shortcomings, why do you think developer flock to them?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
It is naive to think that we will be able to archive our lives online, especially when it's free.
- Mitch
We have had some pleasant experiences with Twitter. They have been helpful.
- K N Ajit Narayan
we need a mashup where comments "like'd" enough times are thrown into persistant storage for the benefit of humanity
- erik yuzwa
You are 100% right. That's why I said Twitter Search is very, very broken a few months back, and that was just scraping the surface.
- Louis Gray
I don't think it is just a platform issue, the whole debacle about the recent DDOS and their blanket ban on all semi high-traffic 3rd party sites (such as my own - twollo, I have been issuing refunds all weekend).
- Paul Kinlan
Perhaps Twitter should be regulated as a utility. I'd prefer an alternative that gives me control, perhaps an Push Button Web alternative, open source and federated.
- Dominic Jones
Nicely summed up. I "solved" the history of tweets with Twitter Tools plugin for blog which pulls out weekly summaries of what I tweet (I intentionally left out the @replies). The archive is being build on my blog (http://twistedfirestarter.cz/categor...) and it's banned from showing on the home page of the blog, because I don't do much posting :). Picking the winners got...
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- Dušan Šimonovič
Twitter want to be the communications platform for the 21 century, even now they are like the postal service, when they go down I can't do business, I can't communicate with my customers.... A lot of people on the development list were saying "Don't build your business on Twitter", but that is what Twitter want you to do, they want to get you to the point where you are so reliant on Twitter that you have no alternative.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm going to frame Louis' comment. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The 100% right comment? :)
- Paul Kinlan
Fajar: developers liked Twitter for a couple of reasons. 1. All their friends were on it and still are. I watch early adopter behavior (even to the point of unfollowing and refollowing to clean up my list) and the developers are still pretty active on Twitter and so are their friends. Unless everyone leaves together that won't change. 2. The growth on Twitter has been STUNNING. So there...
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- Robert Scoble
It feels like the more that we base our online lives on someone elses server the more we will ultimately lose in time. Facebook is a huge black hole which sucks in so much of our lives, and if it disappears next year -- what then? We've lost 5 years of our lives. Photos, conversations, etc. Not like there's solution in sight either.
- Kevin Francis
Kevin: Thats why the DISo projects are important - shame it is so hard to get adoption
- Paul Kinlan
Paul: yeah, the 100% right one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: to be fair it was his only comment on this entry :) just thought I would re-enforce the point :)
- Paul Kinlan
Robert: Your best post in a long time.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: it's my only post in a long time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's what I meant we need a searchable and connectable backup solution that pulls our data for offline use, like google gears but with access to my raw data. Imagine you could still access everything even if the service is down, you would kind of have an archive of everything you ever did or posted. Your Maschine or a Service just needs to pull it once and then update everytime you post something.
- Max Schulze
It's not so much the platform but what the guys behind the service are trying to do with it. That said, I'm still pissed off that their filtering me from search is still unresolved after a month and a half. If only Seesmic Desktop had FF and Blellow support... if it did, I'd be an ex-Twitter user.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris, I have not been in search for about 2 months (@PaulKinlan)
- Paul Kinlan
Twitter needs to be redesigned from the ground up, from scratch, from square one. All the arguments you bring up are spot on, but the issue isn't necessarily the platform itself. It's that the original purpose of Twitter does not in any way, shape, or form cater to what Twitter has become, and the developers have effectively been having a blank stare, completely clueless as to what to do about it.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
I agree Adam but we don't need to worry because we all have FF
- Thomas Power
Robert, I think I've mentioned heaps of times the search problem where you can't access stuff past a few weeks. You can't really expect Twitter to be called the next big thing in search while it's that limited.
- George Hall (Australia)
There's also an ongoing discussion I have with a friend majoring in old languages. Ancient records were great because the materials stood the test of time. Digital information, though, is dependent on electricity and still being able to read a storage medium. If everything were online, and an electro-magnetic pulse hit...bye-bye all human knowledge at once...extreme scenario I admit, but very possible.
- George Hall (Australia)
I still think I should be chiselling my best tweets in stone...
- George Hall (Australia)
Similar thing happened with syncplicity: a great synchronizing tool, been using it for about 1 year. They just stopped Mac client beta: "Unfortunately what we found is that the fixes entail almost a rewrite in many cases — a process that would take many months to a year." http://blog.syncplicity.com/2009...
- Lucian Nicolescu
Kudos on this article Robert. Glad somebody with your following wrote this piece, else it might have been missed. As somebody who has invested resources in exploring Twitter based products, I couldn't agree more.
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
Nambu is a Social Messaging Trainwreck and the only way they can come-up with to make money from Twitter is a tr.im extortion play
- paul mooney
And Twitter's down again! :( Seriously folks, what are we waiting for to implement an open, federated statstream protocol that's not dependent on one company?
- Grey Drane
Yeah, I've heard of it before, but never really checked it out. I'm not quite that much of a techie, but I'll give it another shot. ;)
- Grey Drane
from IM
Identi.ca, Grey. It's an open, federated twitter-API compatible service. Based on laconi.ca, which is free software, so you can set up your own server today.
- Ken Kennedy
OK, but isn't it still sort of dependent on level of adoption? If too few are using identi.ca [http://identi.ca] or a specific laconi.ca [http://laconi.ca] installation, is it worth it? Or what am I missing?
- Grey Drane
from IM
Or is it (will it be) like Google Wave (as I understood it from the presentation video) where different implementations of the protocol work together more or less seemlessly as one big distributed platform?
- Grey Drane
I have said before that twitters days are numbered. Then with all the media attention that I was thinking of back tracking on my comment. Now with the buy out of FF and the many faults of twitter that I would be shocked if twitter survived the social networking race. I really had hoped and ultimate SN app would come out of all this. Twitter is to basic and FaceBook to complicated (also...
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- Captain Jack
To everyone who helped out with the launch of http://www.building43.com yesterday or who came/participated/engaged with us, THANK YOU! More:
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We will be in NYC next week, and would love to get more how to videos. If you want to teach how to do something on the Web that's cool, or useful for businesses, particularly small ones, I'd love to talk.
- Robert Scoble
Unfortunately Rocky's cousin died and he's attending the funeral, which is going to keep things pretty slow over the next week.
- Robert Scoble
We're also going to be in London in early July, and would love to meet up there (I'm traveling with the Traveling Geeks, so there'll be lots of events then, more on that later).
- Robert Scoble
the architecture of www.building43.com is very inspiring, it is a great example of the copy&paste web2010 - already used some ideas; great list of plugins btw! - so thanks Robert!!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Will you still be in NY Friday the 19th? I'm headed down there then.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce, unfortunately no. We fly out very early that morning.
- Robert Scoble
When will you have an event in Seattle?
- Christian Burns
Please convey my condolences to Rocky.
- Web Pixie
How close were we to the planes (F-18s) taking off from the #Nimitz ? This close! (Video) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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We were literally in between rows of F-18s taking off from the USS Nimitz.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Wow!
- Jim Connolly
EWoah!
- Bas
WOW! Robert you are a lucky guy! :)
- TheHenry
Wow isn't even close to describing how cool this is. Plus, over video you can't experience the noise, the wind, the jet fuel smell, and the full HD experience (behind us planes are launching too, and there's just stuff happening all over when you're on the flight deck).
- Robert Scoble
I am surprised they let you get that close! Especially that second vid with the arresting wires just in front of your feet!
- Robert
You are the coolest !!
- Eddie Wayne
Robert: I was surprised too. Eddie, no, the pilots are the coolest. The skill (and confidence) it takes to land one of these at night is just freaking amazing. We got to hang out with the Pilots at night and they are really cool people. I gave each one a Poken and we had a lot of fun with that.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly they're not running background checks like they used to. ;)
- Brett Schulte
"...and the full HD experience..." That's real life high def right there.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
What did you use for video, Robert? Did the mic survive? :-O
- Ken Sheppardson
Does that look fun or what?
- Colin
Incredible video. Now I have Danger Zone playing in my head. What an awesome experience you all had. Mahalo for sharing!
- Nathan Kam
Ken: I was using a Canon 5D MKII with a 70-200 F2.8 lens for these with a R0DE microphone. The mic survived just fine. Colin: it was a total blast, but the highlight of the trip was taking off from the ship. What a rush and one that I'll never be able to totally explain. One of the guys just called it "dynamic." That about nails it. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Incredible Robert but what was the occasion? Not just anybody can have this experience.
- Colin Clarke
Wow, what a video.
- Mike Doeff
I think this would be one thing I would like to do before I die!
- petar vucetin
My dad was stationed on the Nimitz when I was little (he was a fighter pilot). I remember touring it as a kid and being amazed.
- mikepk
Very Cool.
- John D Reasor
Ken: actually I was using a 16-35 F2.8 L series lens for most of the videos. Colin: the Navy brings many press and VIPs on board for this kind of "embark." The Navy is getting into Twitter and friendfeed and other social media and wanted us to get an upclose look at the ship and what 5,000 Navy sailors do while at sea. They know they can't do public tours so they bring people on board who can show off what they do to other people. Hope I did OK as your proxy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, in this case I wish I didn't have a proxy :) Hopefully that day will come some day.
- Amit Nangare
It won't match being on a live aircraft carrier, of course, but the USS Midway is docked permanently in San Diego as a museum and open to the general public. http://www.midway.org/
- Frank Scavo
"Dynamic" !
- Harscoat
One more video that makes me feel compelled telling my accountant I really _need_ this camera... No 24p yet, but those are some damn fine lenses you can get, and not a hint of the "rolling shutter" syndrome, at least on not-close inspection.
- Oskar Lissheim-Boethius
Way cool! How did your lungs handle the jet exhaust?
- Jim Lavin
Jim: it didn't bother me too much. Being in a smoky bar is far worse.
- Robert Scoble
Dude I am x Navy that brings back memories... Go Scoble
- Chris Henderson
I was expecting to hear Kenny Loggins Danger Zone or some other Top Gun music as the bachground music. :-) Cool Video!
- John Wallace
amazing opportunity - trying not to be too jealous ;)
- Andrew Clinick
Makes me jealous, I've always wanted to be on a flightdeck of a carrier during operations.
- Jim Lavin
Jim: it's always been a dream of mine too. I've gone to many an airshow and always wanted to get on deck to see them shoot off a plane. The fact that I got to witness about 40 launches, a good many of them at night (those pictures didn't come out so well) was just a great thrill. Keep dreaming, sometimes dreams come true!
- Robert Scoble
I spent 10 years in the Air Force as a weather forecaster and I always loved to set out on the flight line and watch the jets take off. It is so fantastic to see them go from a dead stop to straight up in no time at all. Thanks for sharing the video and pics, you always seem to have so many neat things to share!
- Jim Lavin
To my 39,000 followers on friendfeed I pass you 39,000 kisses. Considering only 11,841 people live in Half Moon Bay, where I currently live, I think that's pretty cool. Oh, and I don't ghost post like Guy Kawasaki does. Every single post here and on Twitter is written by me and me alone. Well, except for that time that Arrington got my iPhone...
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Redirects from Friendfeed to Twitter count as "written" as well.
- Louis Gray
...he typed "I am an idiot." Ahh, the fun we have with each other.
- Robert Scoble
So.......... I didn't get a kiss from Scoble?... *sigh*...
- Johnny
*blush*
- Rodfather
I never had any doubt that your a real person and not a team of PR agents. And thank you for checking out my blog. (Sorry it's crap)
- dthree
Robert - The kiss thing's kind of scary - a hug's fine... :)
- Jim Connolly
Got a post into the "Best of the day" for the first time today and now I've been kissed goodnight by Scoble. Be still my beating heart.
- Sharon McPherson
Really a nice firm handshake will suffice ...
- Brent - Yes I am
Saying posts are human-authored is precisely what a bot or ghost writer would say, now isn't it?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Thanks for the kisses - and all those other stuffs.
- Chris Loft
Robert: Are you running for Friendfeed's mayorship position? might be interesting...
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: mayor? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha wave as you leave port :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from fftogo
To all those Robert-Scoble-followers: you can get some kisses from me too. Although I live in Amsterdam (600.000 inhabitants) it kind of felt like I had to experience that feeling too. Thank you Robert, for sharing this. :-)
- Ton Zijp
I will like the post but pass on the kisses... thnx :)
- ralphsaunders
Go see if my childhood house still stands in Half Moon Bay- 335 Filbert St. When i was there there were about 4 streets total it seemed, one stop light, and you ran through a field to get to the cliff that overlooked the beach.
- SteVe "Glory Juice" C
Thanks!
- Sue Radd
Yea! Robert Scoble is the best! ❤ - We've been adopted!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Don't we have to go out for lunch first? ;)
- metalerik
You kissed a boy and you liked it...... ;-)
- Scott W.
Beso's back at ya dude
- JuneM
Aw shucks! how sweet, :) Robert loves <3 his FF buddies and we love him back! :)
- Susan Beebe
LOL...Death to all Ghost Posters!! J/k, Kawasaki is cool, but Scoble is über cool!
- Harold Cabezas
Guy Kawasaki is a duche... all he does is find lame links... say bla bla and links to alltop. Who the hell wants to go to a news website. That is so web 1.0 hasn't he heard of rss?
- Kasper Retvig
Feelin the love over here in Idaho.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, I unsubscribed and unfollowed Guy just the other day because he just doesn't 'engage'. There is next to no conversation from him/his PR agents, and pretty well everything is just links back to his websites. I have no problem with people marketing their websites, but I want conversations, not just link vomit.
- travispuk
Aww, and I'm not even in SF right now! Hola desde la pintoreca Buenos Aires.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Loren Feldman, Mike Arrington, and Kevin Marks. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
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Last.FM thinks TechCrunch is full of it, and attacks TechCrunch again RE: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Chris Heath
leo call kevin now
- Steve Gillmor
i'm listening in, but not able to talk yet
- Kevin Marks
ello
- Jackson Pollock
i'm fine alan
- Chris Heath
Local issue, I think. Comment deleted.
- caj
is there a way to get just the audio stream, with no video?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: close your eyes.
- Robert Scoble
Link to Last FM's response http://www.last.fm/forum...
- Jamie
rob, http://twit.am
- Chris Heath
rob, or twit.am iphone app
- Chris Heath
twit.am/listen cool!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think, the thing we need here is more streaming methods, really.
- Jackson Pollock
you're tom rob
- Chris Heath
poor computer is doing too much, and the video is killing it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
HI...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hi
- ralphsaunders
hello tina
- Chris Heath
hello tina
- Adnan
'ello!
- caj
ello ello
- ralphsaunders
Hi Tina!
- Robert Scoble
Hi Tina
- Hilary Talbot
Hello all....glad to see everyone here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
You can open http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit... in VLC player, which is more efficent than flash
- Greg Byrne
tweet the show pleeeze
- Tina Chase Gillmor
k
- ralphsaunders
linda lovelace
- Gabe
.... deep throat?
- ralphsaunders
wow. that 's a killjoy
- Jackson Pollock
Hi Robert, Hilary
- Tina Chase Gillmor
didn't we have OPML for sharing feeds?
- Adnan
lol @ the UI diss to Dave
- Jamie
bundles sounds like a friendfeed room but not as powerful
- Chris Heath
its teh shourty bald guy
- ralphsaunders
Someone needs to develop something as robust and powerful as Yahoo Pipes but not as geeky for the masses. You can do some really cool RSS aggregation and filtering with the service. http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/
- Mike Bracco
Leo, whatcha eatin'? Looks like BBQ from Whole Foods box.
- caj
alan, i think it's salad
- Chris Heath
Well, that's no fun. Just thought I recognized the box.
- caj
alan, leo often eats salad in a box ... you'll see it again
- Chris Heath
nice cans leo
- Jackson Pollock
I really hate that about gmail
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, where you at
- Nick Rae
Robert is doing a diaper change ;-) Good daddy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lol
- Nick Rae
Kevin has lost the long sideburns
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hate Follow Friday :-(
- Jamie
ask kevin what his ceo learned at the bilderberg meeting in greece?
- Nick Rae
why does every app have to take off. what happened to useful apps for a niche group
- Jackson Pollock
chat is a quite holiday weekend chat, isn't it?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
followfriday is mostly useless because it gets gamed so much - so much competition
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
nick, you really think that kevin is privy to the goings on of the bilderburg meeting? you really think so?
- Chris Heath
zee posted a couple bundles here on FF https://friendfeed.com/the-nex...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
just curious to see the reaction on his face
- Nick Rae
http://alltop.com/ also does a good job of getting top sites across various topics.
- Mike Bracco
nick, the reaction on his face would probably 'say' something like "why would you think that they would tell me that kind of info?"
- Chris Heath
what's the url? calacanis.com?
- Jackson Pollock
502 error at the moment. Weird.
- caj
leo: http://100twt.com (other links across the top)
- Chris Heath
chris, your probably right, but you ask the question then maybe he educates him self about bilderberg
- Nick Rae
poor kirstiealley
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah, but it makes you look like a dick, nick
- Chris Heath
little more tact might get you a better reaction
- Chris Heath
how bout Gillmor Gang fights... anybody cataloging them?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
twitter search is a joke...drops soooo many tweets
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Except when you delete a tweet, then Twitter's search keeps it
- Colin
there should definitely be a "Catfights" section on the wiki Tina, I'd create it, but I don't want to fuel the fire
- Gabe
twitter is vain... good premise
- Chris Heath
lol @ Colin And Tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter is about being a framework that everyone else can build products/services on to add additional functionality that people can choose to use or not to use.
- Mike Bracco
ohhh. i beg to differ
- Jackson Pollock
if twitter wqould let more companies have a firehose like frienffeed has, twitter could be very useful
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Steve always moves GG away from porn.. good idea Steve
- Tina Chase Gillmor
there's a sentence I never thought I'd hear Scoble say; "RSS is dead":
- Jackson Pollock
Gabe - what wiki? the twit one?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
scoble is full of it
- Dave Winer
that was complete fucking nonsense
- Dave Winer
when isn't he dave?
- Chris Heath
Cool real time search engine TechCrunch covered the other day: http://searchmerge.com/
- Mike Bracco
welcome dave :-)
- Jamie
how is rss dead? how would we get blogs/etc. flowing through friendfeed without rss?
- Adnan
oh geez
- Dave Winer
OK, Dave, why are my Tweets so slow to show up in Google Reader then?
- Robert Scoble
i have to stop listening to this crap
- Dave Winer
how would we get podcasts? i mean, it has it's place
- Jackson Pollock
Twitter's API uses json/atom/xml
- Colin
Dave reminds me of Bobby Fisher
- Jackson Pollock
xml steve
- Dave Winer
Dave: is it an RSS problem or a reader problem that they can't poll everything all the time?
- Robert Scoble
neither scoble, I'm trying to explain it
- Kevin Marks
finally kevin says something right
- Dave Winer
The argument is that the RSS model is too slow because of the pull architecture. Every time you check the RSS you need to download the entire thing. A push architecture would be better.
- Peter Kruit
steve, so what?
- Dave Winer
Twitter only let's you poll it so often.... Whitelisted ips can still only make 20,000 calls/hour to Twitter, which is nothing.
- Colin
kevin keeps saying things that make sense now
- Dave Winer
so?
- Dave Winer
twitter pushes RSS, thats about all
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and?
- Dave Winer
saying that you don't interact with rss is like saying you don't interact with the gasoline in your car
- Jim Posner
and RSS itself!
- Dave Winer
How is RSS dead?
- Jason Hansen
Tina - I mistakenly assumed there was a Gillmor Gang on wiki.twit.tv, I gues it could go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Gabe
That's right Steve
- Colin
when you eat your cereal do you use RSS steve?
- Dave Winer
Don't they use RSS to get their podcast within iTunes?
- Jason Hansen
It would actually be more of the opposite Steve.
- Colin
RSS isn't dead.
- Peter Kruit
When you are posting to Twitter, you probably aren't using RSS, but when you are using a Twitter client, you are using a form of RSS.
- Colin
After all the twitter debate over the last few months, I see more and more people stating how much Google Reader is still integrated into their daily news gathering.
- Matthew
I use Google Reader everyday Matthew.
- Jason Hansen
I use RSS feeds from twitter, and twitter searches combined with yahoo pipes fed into Google Reader to monitor topics and searches in Twitter
- Gabe
Me too Jason Hansen
- Matthew
I use RSS more than ever as well, but that's the only thing I use, and further, it's not how I'm going to see breaking news. But I use it more, and for more purposes as well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
steve, nor should they be
- Dave Winer
I still use Google Reader because 1) it allows me to read full-text feed without leaving the service 2) it is clean, there is no FoaF content - I want FoaF entries in FF but still want a service that has only content I explicitely ordered.
- Jérôme
What's the point of this statement
- Bwana ☠
Google Reader shows me how many articles I have. If I followed a lot of people on Twitter, I would miss so much, right?
- Jason Hansen
I use google reader to make sure I don't miss articles from my favorite people
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Technically that might be true Steve, but they use similar forms of RSS, they are very close.
- Colin
The argument is that RSS doesn't have the role it once did, for certain people (including Scoble). Everytime anybody updated their blog, he pulled it down through his reader. Now, this happens through Twitter/etc and he doesn't PULL it, it gets pushed to him through another service. And in this context of Roberts life, YES it is not in use anymore.
- Jackson Pollock
It seems as though twitter has given Google Reader a bump in mindshare.
- Matthew
http://updates.sixapart.com/ is six apart's flow
- Kevin Marks
nonsense
- Dave Winer
oh dear
- Bwana ☠
Dave you should call in and straighten these jokers out
- BryanSchuetz
steve is saying the store and forward model is becoming antiquated.
- Jim Posner
RSS isn't being replaced. There are just additional methods to access information flow. sigh
- caj
actually that isn't all you're saying steve
- Dave Winer
I agree Alan.
- Jason Hansen
is there an application that acts like google reader and employs its design? That could get me to use twitter over GReader, but then again not every feed I subscribe to twitter their posts over twitter.
- Matthew
imagine a web where nothing was stored....kind of like the gillmor gang
- Jim Posner
Engineer vs journalist
- Jackson Pollock
geeez... tough crowd todayl
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Love it jackson lol
- Colin
thanks chris
- Nick Rae
Go engineer!
- Colin
too true tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Where's the fact behind that statement?
- Jason Hansen
that doesn't make sense to me
- Bwana ☠
what evolution does RSS need, it works perfectly.
- Matthew
I think RSS from SINGLE SOURCES may be dead. Downstream RSS generated feeds generated as mashups of a bunch of sources are more useful. Real time is more about content and not the source of that content. In that case, automated and dynamically generated feeds are more useful.
- Mike Bracco
Too much information in Google Reader?
- Jason Hansen
+1 Matthew
- caj
product replacing format?
- Bwana ☠
Steve's argument is not making sense to me...it's not a valid comparison I think
- Bwana ☠
This is about news readers vs twitter, not RSS vs twitter.
- invariant
Steve thinks he's the smartest man on the planet.
- Tokyo Dan
I don't think the differences between Twitter and Google Reader are a function of the underlying protocol.
- Chris Johnson
I use Google Reader to find the news to talk about
- Bwana ☠
I didn't follow scoble on google reader because he shared too much
- Kevin Marks
Since when is Google Reader a social network?
- Jason Hansen
Google reader is my newspaper, not my social network
- Matthew
I don't wait for others to find it for me
- Bwana ☠
agreed Matthew
- Bwana ☠
My gg feed is forming rust ... Realtime
- Ed Guinn
+1 Matthew
- Jérôme
developers don't use RSS?
- BryanSchuetz
That's the way I look at it invariant, I just want them to skip this other nonsense.
- Colin
Google reader is trying to be a social network.
- caj
I pump shares into FF from Google Reader
- Gabe
Google Reader is the springboard for all of my FriendFeed discussions.
- Bwana ☠
I find the news
- Bwana ☠
I do too Gabe
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have google reader but i don't use it much. I prefer having RSS bookmarks in my toolbar.
- ralphsaunders
people discuss it
- Bwana ☠
without Google Reader, I wouldn't start any conversations on FriendFeed
- Bwana ☠
If I find a story I want to share in Google Reader, I click the post and use the FF bookmarklet to share it on FriendFeed
- Matthew
omg .. who the hell cares how many followers scoble has.
- Dave Wallace
there's a guy who doesn't get it at all
- Jackson Pollock
It's a wast of time watching this when u can download it and listen to it later while exercising or driving.
- Tokyo Dan
Dave Wallace: that tells me the relative popularity of the tool.
- Robert Scoble
i can never get into google reader... just doesn't draw me back
- Chris Heath
I pull RSS feeds into FF to do that myself, Bwana. However, it's a small, easy to manage amount.
- caj
real time is here to stay..we get that...next.
- Jim Posner
Alan - I have a hard time using FF as a feed reader
- Bwana ☠
Robert: that doesn't mean kevins reason is wrong.
- Dave Wallace
Google Reader beats it so hard
- Bwana ☠
with a stick?
- ralphsaunders
an ugly stick
- Bwana ☠
Twitter + FF is central spine of real time web...
- Gregg
:O
- ralphsaunders
I don't disagree. For me, a LOT of the same material was being shared on FF already so I didn't need to keep watching some of my feeds. :)
- caj
perhaps they were never offered it in the best way possible
- Jackson Pollock
I can skim google reader, skimming twitter is having to skim hundreds of tweets and getting less info, imo
- Matthew
ugh, I keep cringing when he says RSS
- Bwana ☠
rss is good if you want to get all available articles from a certain point... but most of the time, i don't want to do that ... i want the most recently active articles from all points (friendfeed does this very well)
- Chris Heath
I don't want Google Reader to have a social aspect.
- Peter Kruit
I use Reader now for only my favourite high signal/low noise feeds
- Jamie
Every page in friendfeed creates an RSS/Atom feed. I pull all date into friendfeed except from a couple of services via RSS/Atom.
- Robert Scoble
Steve sure is making a big deal over a tool he doesn't use.
- Jeff Harbert
jamie, i just use live bookmarks in firefox for my most favorite feeds (or igoogle)
- Chris Heath
for general news reading it's FriendFeed for me. I dip in and out - I don't need to consume every single article, or even skim every article
- Jamie
the main reason I use the share in google reader is so that FriendFeed hears about it and tells twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jamie: I have switched to using feedly for that, which uses my Google Reader lists to present me news.
- Robert Scoble
don't get the protocol fixation..why does it matter?
- Jim Posner
I also have 4-5 live bookmarks chris
- Jamie
who uses Google reader (or any reader) more now than they did before twitter?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
as a user I never got the usefullness of rss. I like visiting sites and the searches that I set up on rss search engines had too much noise in them to be useful.same thing with twitter and friendfeed
- jccalhoun
me too Robert.
- Jamie
I use Google Reader more than anything out there
- Bwana ☠
Tina: I use it WAY less.
- Robert Scoble
I just don't find reason to attack Kevin or Google for developing a new, different and perhaps better way to do this.
- Jackson Pollock
even friendfeed
- Bwana ☠
fwiw I completely agree with Steve. he might not be articulating it how he wants but I get what he means.
- Jamie
I use GR more now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jackson: the thing is that Google Reader never got the mass market appeal that Google wants to see for its services.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie, can you explain it to us? :D
- caj
Twitter/FriendFeed did not change my usage of Google Reader. Twitter has too much noise. FriendFeed doesn't have all the subjects I'm interested in.
- Peter Kruit
Good point Leo
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter went mass market. Google Reader didn't. Facebook went mass market. Google Reader didn't. Friendfeed is much more used than Google Reader and friendfeed hasn't gone mass market yet.
- Robert Scoble
right - Scoble - I use it way less too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alan - check out FeedSync.
- Jamie
I still don't see why we can't use these tools to compliment each other
- Bwana ☠
I like google reader's ability to infinitely scroll into feed history. This is valuable when mining data from Yahoo Pipes. Great tool for content analysis
- Gabe
Agree w/ Gillmor that Bundles is wrong feature to focus on for Reader. Better to enhance mechanisms to get Reader items into FF. Currently, RSS is the only way - that doesn't work in realtime.
- Nick in Manila
Peter: you can bring in the EXACT SAME RSS feeds you bring into Google Reader into friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
why are we in such a rush to kill something off and move on
- Bwana ☠
The money isn't not an issue, if we look at newspapers. Usability is one.
- Jérôme
imagine a protocol that was two-way and real time.
- Jamie
google reader is only one client for a comon format
- Kevin Marks
i use google reader to follow topics. sources from postrank. Favs are shared to private rooms
- Webferret
Why can't I use Google Reader, Twitter, AND FriendFeed in a happy utopia world of news
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: you can.
- Robert Scoble
you can Bwana :-) I do too
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Most people consume realtime and RSS together, they compliment each other.
- ralphsaunders
Robert: Agreed, but not the content of the post or am I wrong?
- Peter Kruit
Right Bwana, Twitter and FF augment, they don't replace.
- invariant
what is the motivation to say that rss is dead?
- Jim Posner
Realtime doesn't allow people to click ads/go to website because their attention is still on the realtime
- Matthew
cool kids club 2009?
- Bwana ☠
:)
- Bwana ☠
lol
- caj
headlines Jim Posner, headlines
- Gabe
The world hasn't changed over. A certain percentage of the valley has. 10 people know what it is here in Norway. 99% of the population knows what Facebook is.
- Jackson Pollock
RSS Great! Live Great! Can't we all just get along?
- MarK
not on the Gillmor Gang :)
- Bwana ☠
OH Robert no you didnt
- Bwana ☠
YOU said it Scoble
- Jackson Pollock
hahahah
- Bwana ☠
FriendFeed NEEDS a special live feature that is customized for live interaction like this for live shows.
- Mike Bracco
It's a good word to get us to read their stories. hah
- Colin
Robert, you brought Jimmy Wales to Friendfeed, but he never came back. Still no likes and only 4 comments. Be careful with stats of innovators on FF!
- Jérôme
When did Steve declare Office is dead? anyone got the date?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble this is not "the chatroom." the chatroom is at irc.twit.tv
- jccalhoun
Jerome he's still there.
- Robert Scoble
I think 2004 tina
- Jamie
Friendfeed needs to put a "comment" link on the bottom of the conversation as well as the top!
- Gabe
jccalhoun: this is the chat room. IRC is dead.
- Robert Scoble
IRC moves a little too fast, I prefer FriendFeed.
- Colin
what did scoble do? i missed it.
- ralphsaunders
Robert, here but inactive.
- Jérôme
@Gabe You should also be able to comment on comments
- Mike Bracco
scoble IRC isn't dead.
- ralphsaunders
Robert; I hate when pundits use the word dead
- Jackson Pollock
Pop the chat out on the permalink Gabe
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
scoble there are 500+ in the irc chatroom
- jccalhoun
does everyone still use Office? is it the center of your universe like it was?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
IRC isn't dead either.
- Peter Kruit
doesn't really make that much sense, I need a drill, so I pronounce the wrench is dead?
- Matthew
this is a realtime messageboard not a chatroom
- jccalhoun
Yes, I use Office every day
- Bwana ☠
thanks Jamie
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Saying RSS is dead will give you better tools? Please explain.
- Jim Posner
And I use Google Docs
- Bwana ☠
You just can't work out how to use it. :P
- ralphsaunders
wow, two tools
- Bwana ☠
I hate this either/or movement
- Bwana ☠
Just because some of these people aren't using services doesn't mean it's dead.
- Peter Kruit
Jim: it creates a conversation of where the future will go and the protocols and tools we need to get there. Google Reader isn't good enough for this environment.
- Robert Scoble
Well, if someone isn't using Google Reader anymore, to that person, it might be dead ;)
- Colin
your news, not my news
- Matthew
Google needs a real time feed display if it wants to compete with Facebook/Twitter/friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
which comes from Google Reader
- Bwana ☠
lol
- Bwana ☠
this "acts" like a chat room during a live show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's so funny how a tiny percentage of people in California bury themselves in themselves and what they find to be relevant. What you miss is that the money, the users, everything a business like Twitter or Facebook wants, is not in California. It's the rest of the world. And not a soul in the rest of the world has any clue about FriendFeed yet. Not a clue.
- Jackson Pollock
hi leo
- ralphsaunders
It's really not an EITHER - OR discussion, it's a BOTH - AND thing. RSS + RealTime Web = two great tastes that taste great together
- BryanSchuetz
Horses as a transportation mean is dead, but horses are still alive :)
- Jérôme
Mibbit
- Bwana ☠
Right Bryan it is a Both-AND thing
- Francine Hardaway
real time FTW - dead air FTL
- Chris Heath
FriendFeed isn't ugly Scoble?
- Colin
Robert-Telling me my truck is dead doesn't get me into a Tesla. We need more specifics..how do I get into the Tesla?
- Jim Posner
I hear that
- Jackson Pollock
I told ya you couldn't use it scoble.
- ralphsaunders
Thanks Kevin
- Bwana ☠
Robert Scoble is an elitist
- Matthew
scoble just go to http://irc.twit.tv/ in your browser and it works just fine
- jccalhoun
Matthew: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
exactly Jerome - when Steve says it's dead, he doesn't mean literally dead. just that the technology has/will/should be replaced for certain things that are technically superior
- Jamie
Peter: if the user base is stagnant and not growing, then it is "dead." Scoble is right, though. Dead can be a misleading term.
- Nick in Manila
dirty elitist.
- ralphsaunders
I like the fact that FF save the chat and I can search it later
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
how do people identify themselves on here? I'm jccalhoun everywhere online
- jccalhoun
Robert, most of FF users (IMO) still use GReader besides FF. For me, they're very complementary. They should diverge in their development to better serve their users in their new usage.
- Jérôme
jccalhoun that irc client sux
- Chris Heath
if 4chan decided to raid FriendFeed, we'd go crying back to IRC
- Bwana ☠
Robert, how do you put 350 RSS feeds in to FF?
- Francine Hardaway
I'll say it again - Disadvantage of FriendFeed = No "comment" button at bottom of conversation = lots of scrolling :(
- Gabe
irc advantage is tab-complete usernames
- Chris Heath
Robert.... Is Gilmor gang soley about social media??
- ralphsaunders
Learned the other day that South Korea requires social security numbers to register for social networks
- Mike Bracco
chris heath i dno't use it. scoble just said 'irc is hard to get to" and it isn't
- jccalhoun
huh Gabe?
- Jamie
exactly Leo
- Bwana ☠
correct Leo
- Matthew
EXACTLY. Let's keep it this way, PLEASE
- Jackson Pollock
And thank goodness for that, Leo.
- Jeff Harbert
If 4chan said let's raid FriendFeed, you'd see moderation nightmares
- Bwana ☠
Gabe: Use the timestamp link and open this in a fresh window and you get the comment button at the bottom
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm on IRC now. It's lame compared to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble Do you use Yahoo Pipes?
- Mike Bracco
Did Leo say the people on FF are more intelligent?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I use Goolge Reader and I use FF. This conversation is stupid and boring.
- MarK
Keep Paris Hilton away from FriendFeed. That's my new quest.
- Jackson Pollock
http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... @ Gabe
- Jamie
The culture of the service/team will make the difference over time.
- Jérôme
Mike: not enough.
- Robert Scoble
Unfortunately, FriendFeed won't be successful with the few people here
- Matthew
Not gonna last folks.
- Denise Howell
Hey Denise
- Matthew
bwana absolutely. there's no reason why friendfeed couldn't be overrun by trolls
- jccalhoun
Matthew: I had a magazine with 100,000 users that made millions per year.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Jamie
- Gabe
How do you ban spammers for kick people from ffee?
- Greg
hi Denise
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FF isn't a Magazine Robert
- Matthew
Matthew: size of audience is not a necessary condition for financial success.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: it is to me.
- Robert Scoble
hi all, good to get my Gillmor Gang on. :)
- Denise Howell
It should work this way here too: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Gabe
Friendfeed isn't a magazine to the majority
- ralphsaunders
I think Steve's right in this way: Realtime has the mindshare. We will see rapid development in this space. RSS has pretty much fulfilled it's promise, so you won't see a lot of new and interesting tools in this area. But I think that once realtime matures, something else will grab developer attention.
- invariant
how is this not easy to troll? I just cut and paste a bunch of racists homophobic stuff and keep hitting "comment" over and over
- jccalhoun
how will Friendfeed make money?
- Matthew
Two years ago no one knew about Twitter.
- MarK
ads?
- Matthew
good conversation Steve,,another reason it should be stored and forwarded.
- Jim Posner
jccalhoun - we'll block you and be done with you
- Chris Heath
jccalhoun: yes. One block and you're gone.
- Robert Scoble
block won't stop a full blown raid
- Bwana ☠
you'd see fake accounts left and right
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: yes it will.
- Robert Scoble
chris heath you can do that in irc and any decent message board
- jccalhoun
no it won't
- Bwana ☠
this chat is being stored
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Bwana: it's not easy to create an account here.
- Robert Scoble
4chan'ers know how to make multiple email accounts
- Matthew
Tina: right. And we can see everyone else's info too.
- Robert Scoble
jccalhoun the mods have to do it in irc, here we all do it
- Chris Heath
sigh
- Bwana ☠
and multiple twitter accounts
- Matthew
how is it not easy to create an account here robert?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
it is just as easy to create an account here as anywhere else
- jccalhoun
Chris: it's decentralized moderation.
- Robert Scoble
exactly
- Chris Heath
Rob: you need an email or a Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
It's easy enough for 4chan to kill it
- Bwana ☠
When Twitter decides to MONETIZE, how will that effect everything. Premium accounts, ads, Google analytics on Twitter pages etc..?
- Mike Bracco
IRC is a different community from FF. the chat here goes dead after the show but IRC carries on.
- ralphsaunders
bwana, i'd like to see them try
- Chris Heath
Bwana agreed
- Andrew Johnson
If anything is killing RSS it's Microplaza http://microplaza.com not friend feed
- BryanSchuetz
there's very little stopping a full raid
- Bwana ☠
Robert: How hard is it to get an email address?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Still want to know how/why to put my 350 feeds on FF
- Francine Hardaway
I'm saying I want it to happen
- Bwana ☠
Robert, Twitter has decentralized moderation too (I think) but it has lots of spammers.
- Jérôme
Robert: 4chan had people working all day to enter captchas to game the Time poll. If they want to game FF they will be able to.
- invariant
I'm saying decentralized moderation would fail if 4chan decided to raid
- Bwana ☠
What is SO much better for me on FF is this chat gets saved, stored and can be referred to later... the irc chat goes away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome: absolutely wrong. Twitter does NOT have decentralized moderation.
- Robert Scoble
francine - make a group, and add them to the group (that way it's not all in your account)
- Chris Heath
you wouldn't be able to block fast enough
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: all we'd have to do is create a white list room. I'm already doing that.
- Robert Scoble
twitter should have a pro and premium accounts. Pro removes ads from your stream, Premium removes ads from stream and all tweets you send out
- Matthew
bwana, well i'd still like to try
- Chris Heath
Jerome, Robert's correct on that. Go delete someone else's tweet in a thread that you create on twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
When I block someone on Twitter, it doesn't have the same effect that FF blocking?
- Jérôme
You can't
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
this chat may be saved but how useful will it be to people? irc chats can be logged if you want but they are most useful live
- jccalhoun
if you go private, 4chan wins
- Bwana ☠
Here's an audio rebuttal to the nonsense about RSS on this edition of the Gillmor Gang. http://friendfeed.com/davew...
- Dave Winer
white list based on userid?
- Greg
jerome, not it's not the same ... friendfeed does it right
- Chris Heath
guruvan, thanks for the example.
- Jérôme
the archiving of comments is very useful
- Jamie
jccalhoun: I regularly look back at the chats.
- Robert Scoble
jccalhoun; it makes the podcast searchable. very very big for audio
- Jackson Pollock
Why doesnt FF have a "comment" link/button at the bottom next to the last comment in the thread? No way to sort recent comments to the top?
- Andrew Johnson
so do I in irc
- Greg
private list/room = invite only irc channel
- Bwana ☠
same thing
- Bwana ☠
robert, yeah leo should do that here and delete/block some of the unruly comments
- Chris Heath
the gg video needs to be made available..why it's not is a mystery.
- Jim Posner
how did you post this 5 hours ago Dave Winer?
- Matthew
Great site to check handle availability across social networks - http://namechk.com/
- Mike Bracco
That's the whole thing of it Jerome, I can completely block someone here, and I can delete comments in my own threads - you can't block someone completely on twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
andrew click on the 1hour ago beliow the heading
- Greg
Chat storing could save Youtube lots of work to add metadata to their video. But they still must develop audio-indexing.
- Jérôme
jim, steve's addressed the feed issue on friendfeed this week
- Chris Heath
I'm not saying anything is wrong with friendfeed I'm just not seeing it as all that different than other things.
- jccalhoun
Andrew: Use the permalink (timestamp) to open the chat in it's own window and get the comment button at the bottom
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
jim, go look at my comments on the most recent gillmor gang on the techcrunch site
- Chris Heath
so, the FF chat is more like scrolling comments on a blog (yeah, I'ma n00b)
- aBruchis
andrew: or add ?embed=1 to the url
- Chris Heath
Dave should call in or play his audio. Apparently he has something to say here.
- Jim Posner
Awww thanks everyone. They really should make that default IMHO
- Andrew Johnson
aBruchis, that was your first FF comment :) Welcome here.
- Jérôme
got a big buffer and timeshift on the BG stream just now
- Chris Heath
Someone on the show can play Winer's audio
- jccalhoun
if you click the time stamp you get the embed window
- ralphsaunders
an inconvenient truth perhaps
- Jim Posner
Fhew I need to take a break from the IRC.... Moves much too fast.
- Colin
thank you guruvan, much better
- Denise Howell
I routinely open the timestamp-link in another tab to track older conversations
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am having trouble with the Bit Gravity stream every weak
- Francine Hardaway
steve's points are like pulling teeth
- Jackson Pollock
Hello all
- Edward Perry
Robert Scoble, bring up Dave Winer's audio
- Matthew
lsitening to Dave Winer's audio now
- Bwana ☠
forgot how cool blogtalkradio is
- Bwana ☠
Matthew: I will.
- Robert Scoble
Jackson - agreed.
- Jeff Harbert
robert is on the move it looks like
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Francine Hardaway, I've switched to the Ustream, it's the best one imo
- Matthew
mike, yeah he's been moving about a lot today
- Chris Heath
Mike: I gotta watch the baby.
- Robert Scoble
also, I would suggest using the TWiT 2.0 app on leoville.com
- Matthew
Robert's boy must be up and about
- Bwana ☠
and there you go
- Bwana ☠
Can someone pop up the ustream link, please?
- caj
You asked for it Steve.
- Colin
Please play it Leo
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We're playing Dave Winer's audio.
- Robert Scoble
Play it leo
- Denise Howell
ahh - wait till "watching the baby" means running around chasing a toddler :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
yay!
- Bwana ☠
I want a Trac-a-pottamus
- Gabe
Or, more accurately, Leo is playing it.
- Robert Scoble
/patiently waits
- Jamie
Dave sounds like he's on a plane :)
- Jérôme
It's going to sound like Bobby Fisher's rant against the US and Israel.
- Jackson Pollock
ustream link http://ustream.tv/flash...
- jccalhoun
cool way to step up Leo
- Jim Posner
np Leo
- Matthew
realtime once removed
- Denise Howell
Thanks all!
- caj
I have to say: live video ..comments in friend feed..chat in irc..audio responses via blogtalk rado ... the realtime web is pretty cool
- BryanSchuetz
I don't think Dave really understands the point Steve is trying to make
- Jamie
it's cool that a lot of this show is happening through Friendfeed
- Matthew
Matthew; i'd hear him out first
- Jackson Pollock
hmm, semantic nitpicking
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
very cool..many kudo's Leo..
- Jim Posner
dave sees "rss" and "dead" and ignores the point.
- Jamie
so the wordstar format isn't dead then?
- jccalhoun
hmmm? what do you mean Jackson Pollock?
- Matthew
jccalhoun; never was alive
- Jackson Pollock
Matthew; he isn't done yet and you disagree
- Jackson Pollock
:)
- Bwana ☠
Is that twhirl leo is using?
- ralphsaunders
about what?
- Matthew
what are you referring to Jackson Pollock?
- Matthew
the real headline is "RSS isnt right for real time."
- Jamie
via identi.ca: dave: New BlogTalkRadio voice message: http://tr.im/mdWf
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Dave just takes the word "dead" too personally
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
RSS won't die - it is a delivery tool, not a messaging tool
- Joshua Dale
^
- Jamie
you're saying that he doesn't get Steve's point, and he's not even done explaining himself yet
- Jackson Pollock
which is understandable, given its his baby
- Jamie
RSS Enterprise
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Cripes! It's 15 minutes. Will Leo play it all?
- Greg Byrne
I haven't quite figured it out yet, but the more I use FF, the more I use GReader (and really hadn't been before)
- Denise Howell
Jackson Pollock, what exact comment are you talking about? are you sure it was me who said it?
- Matthew
Great! Now we have one more Winer. LOL
- MarK
So Dave Winer is on the show without being on the show....hmmm
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@jackson dave has addressed it many times on his blog the past 2 weeks.
- Jamie
Matthew; very sorry. that was all aimed at Jamie
- Jackson Pollock
this is exactly what winer wants. he wants the attention and they are giving it to him
- jccalhoun
would you want a real time news paper
- Webferret
np Jackson Pollock, you had me scratching my head
- Matthew
real time is great..very visceral..a beautiful thang..thanks to both Steve and Dave
- Jim Posner
Webferret: no I want realtime headlines, and I want the news to lie around waiting for me to read it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Doesn't the Kindle use RSS?
- Jackson Pollock
@jackson yes
- Denise Howell
podcasting is all RSS
- Jackson Pollock
@guruvan same here
- Webferret
maybe podcasting is dead?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
noo
- Jamie
this is akin to IMAP vs Push
- Jamie
calling things dead is dead
- jccalhoun
Here in Norway, many government institutes use RSS to keep their websites updated and up to date
- Jackson Pollock
Dead pundintry is dead
- Bwana ☠
That's about all I get out of my twitter stream too - realtime headlines
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I know you were joking Leo, but realtime isn't slow, it's the delay on your show feed that made you wait
- Matthew
Bring back smoke signals and the teletype!
- caj
i would rather watch in a web browser than wait to download a podcast in itunes or other software
- DeMedici
yeah matthew
- Chris Heath
+2 Alan
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
dead is dead... I like that! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
me too tina
- Chris Heath
It is an EXPIRED parrot!
- caj
podcasting's not dead, just becoming more textured
- Denise Howell
active
- Jackson Pollock
google reader is my newspaper ff is my realtime headlines
- Webferret
thanks largely to leo ;)
- Denise Howell
ah so this is the friendfeed chat (Dltq here)
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
alan, It's only resting! Lovely plumage
- aBruchis
heck, FTP is technically "dead" but it's still in use today
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Denise, why only one TWiL a month??
- Matthew
I wrote "Live TV is dead" a while back...
- Kevin Marks
Webferret: exactly I use both FF and Twitter for headlines, but I get conversation about the news on FF -
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
radio isn't dead, newspapers aren't dead. talking face to face is Not dead
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
will this show ever make it to RSS? a defining moment
- Jim Posner
Geocities is dead
- Matthew
How do people get their news? Through Twitter? I have an RSS reader and get them that way, what's better than that?
- Jackson Pollock
Jackson: TechMeme/Memeorandum
- Robert Scoble
Matthew, Kid/family. I LOVE doing TWiL, plan/hope to step up frequency in the fall.
- Denise Howell
Jackson: The same feeds in friendfeed filtered by various things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert; you've been talking about that for years, but did it really ever take off?
- Jackson Pollock
internet fail ><
- ralphsaunders
Hope so Denise, it's a great podcast, even if a lot of it goes over my head
- Matthew
Jackson: it took off more than Google Reader has.
- Robert Scoble
Jackson: I get more traffic from TechMeme when I'm on it.
- Robert Scoble
:) Will work on that last part.
- Denise Howell
Denise Great news Twit Army looks forward to it
- Andrew Johnson
for me, Twitter extends my GReader / news reading experience. I can go and subscribe to a writer and such and such
- Matthew
Hey Scoble have you played with Microplaza? = http://microplaza.com | wishing friend feed could do some of that stuff
- BryanSchuetz
Steve Gillmors work on attention has been very inspirational for me, but mostly as a philosophical concept - so far the implementations haven't blown me away. yet.
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
I dropped off the IRC chat. The friendfeed chat is better because I know who I am talking to and because these chats stick around.
- Robert Scoble
I like the way Steve is phrasing this
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks Andrew!
- Denise Howell
robert - we'll have to solve that problem for you
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I have to run and get Milan some milk.
- Robert Scoble
the video of the exploding ball is pretty funny. ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leo's ball exploding http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Matthew
Mike: IRC is so 1995.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: give it up, I'm not going back.
- Robert Scoble
robert - :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
robert im on freindfeed now but its not easy to get started
- DeMedici
How do you post a new comment without going back to the top?
- Willowdale
Aww Robert, there's a place for it ;)
- Colin
Willowdale, click the timestamp twice and it will open a mini pop up of just the comments
- Matthew
willowdale - open the chat in it's own window by right clicking on the link that is the timestamp
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Willowdale: https://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Dead is a terrible word.
- Bwana ☠
thing are never dead, they just start to fade while other rise
- Marcos Detry
how do I higlight posts where my name is mentioned in friendfeed or alert me when someone mentions my name?
- Greg
it's inaccurate
- Bwana ☠
deprecated
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
great, thanks everyone
- Willowdale
Willowdale: click on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
Where else can an Apple employee hide under a false nickname and spill details on seomthing he's working on without getting in trouble?
- Colin
it's semantics
- Chris Heath
it's not dead, ...something else is "Drinking it's milkshake"
- BryanSchuetz
I said Live Tv is dead: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
Willowdale: that will open up a new window.
- Robert Scoble
sick?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Got it thanks Robert
- Willowdale
What about all the people that still do not know what RSS is...will they every see it
- TonyatMATC
Steve knows what he's doing, I think the recipe includes a big cup of linkbait
- Matthew
frames it very badly apparantly
- Tony Miller
what does gillmor use if he doesn't use MS Office?
- jccalhoun
semantics? Ok, I'll play. Web browsers are dead.
- Bwana ☠
jccalhoun: Google Docs/Spreadsheets. I'm using that almost exclusively now too.
- Robert Scoble
All these competing/parallel chats...Kevin and Steve remember the back channel at the first AO Summit. This is some sort of weird stepchild. ;)
- Denise Howell
I now understand why these calls will not get released
- Jim Posner
@Scoble me too
- TonyatMATC
The Razr is dead... hah
- Colin
Robert Scoble that's what I assumed
- jccalhoun
RSS has reached adulthood and growing old, maybe!
- pmclem
Live Sports is dead
- Bwana ☠
bwana - html is dead - at least according to the whatwg guys
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
semantics is pretty huge in journalism, saying it's "dead" is a huge statement, not a missunderstang
- aBruchis
google docs gets laughed at in the enterprise. but I understand the point about collaboration.
- Jamie
blasphemy Bwana
- Matthew
Leo: I think Calliflower is beginning to charge for long distance:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I can keep going
- Bwana ☠
Howard didn't like the Pre
- Jackson Pollock
the iphone wasn;t originally transformative! Needed 3g + App store
- Chris Lloyd
Jamie: not for much longer, methinks
- Denise Howell
can't wait for football season, football has always been in real time
- Matthew
The Palm Pre isn't going to make an impact.
- Peter Kruit
It will be interesting to see if Steve has the balls to release this show.
- Jim Posner
Podcasting is dead - We're watching a dead podcast
- Bwana ☠
Zombies!
- Bwana ☠
Christopher, I think it was, it owned the touch screen without a keyboard. That's tough to pull off.
- Colin
Even I don't use Office anymore. I use either IWork or Google docs
- Francine Hardaway
Pre will never compete with the iPhone in the gaming arena (and thus the consumer market) at least. Might do ok in the business market.
- invariant
NO MICROSOFT products on my Mac except Silverlight for Netflix stream...Feels so good! :)
- Mike Bracco
podcasting is about timeshifting. rss doesn't have to be the glue that delivers it.
- Jamie
invariant: I disagree. The Pre will have Flash. iPhone won't.
- Robert Scoble
Pre will be a better alternative to a Blackberry than the iPhone is
- Matthew
the iPhone forced blackberry to really improve it's browser
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
So, the Pre will get tons of games from casual gaming sites
- Robert Scoble
That's where you get it wrong. That has nothing to do with it. The iphone would've died if MS released it. The iPhone is far beyond that.
- Jackson Pollock
instead of dead steve should say zombified - living dead
- DeMedici
SMS is dead
- Bwana ☠
lol bwana
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
RSS is a Zombie
- Matthew
whats the lightest twitter app on resources?
- ralphsaunders
phones are the whole reason, guys
- Joshua Dale
/me bumps into bwana to get him out of his rut
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Colin: It was new, but compared to N95 and other phones in europe, it had too many limitations, it as only for hardcore users, it wasn't untill 3g (See the lines, stock problems) that it became a must have transformative game changing device
- Chris Lloyd
Alright so next month what if the iphone does video calling, every other phone instantly dead? I think so! ;)
- Colin
Robert, I'll grant you that, but we'll see how well Flash runs on it.
- invariant
thanks bear :D
- Bwana ☠
Zombies are dead, sorta
- Andrew Johnson
sms never took of in the US because of the cost associated with it. Twitter is free and thats what made it a killer app.
- Ash
Tina: what *is* up with no non-realtime version of the show? (Apologies if this has been done to death.) Timeshifting's not dead. ;)
- Denise Howell
Colin - right
- Tina Chase Gillmor
kevin - when is Google IO going to be somewhere besides SanFran?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
ohh!! one more
- Bwana ☠
christopher it also went on sale in about 50 other countries
- Jamie
RSS is undead!
- Bwana ☠
I win!
- Bwana ☠
RSS is Re-Animated
- Matthew
twitter is growing pretty fast in Europe too, but i doubt we will see big sms usage decline for a few more years
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
Denise we're working on something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
SMS is the worst rip off in history. Isn't it like $1,000/MB or something like that?
- Mike Bracco
lol @ Bwana
- Andrew Johnson
'sides, if you're chatting, you need to listen to the actual show after the fact.
- Denise Howell
Jamie: Good point
- Chris Lloyd
use a high pitch tone Youtube
- Bwana ☠
that works well
- Bwana ☠
mike; you crazy americans. every other country adopted SMS 8 years ago.
- Jackson Pollock
Ah, good.
- Denise Howell
We did Google Develoepr Days around the world last year, and have several lined up this year too
- Kevin Marks
Why hasn't Google killed Google video with YouTube?
- Mike Bracco
what happened to youtube search?
- Jamie
Google Video is Dead-reincarnated
- Bwana ☠
kevin - yea, but it's coverage of api's is no where near what happens in GoogleIO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
its really gone to pot recently.
- Jamie
now the after show begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Vat69. It is the only right choice
- Jackson Pollock
No, but having some Crystal Skull Vodka, it's lovely.
- Denise Howell
my first twit in ages - how is the aftershow?
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
did Steve end the show or not?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes
- Bwana ☠
yes, he said the magic words
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert, what are your thoughts on Dolphin 6.
- DeMedici
Tina You must ask that a lot. ;)
- Denise Howell
visicalc is dead
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
lol @ denise
- Jamie
I like that friend feed doesn't have anyone telling you what you can and can't say. Unlike IRC.
- Willowdale
well, GDD is one day, I/O is two, and they are smaller, but they are just as deep - I did 4 myself in Europe. 3 lined up already: http://code.google.com/events...
- Kevin Marks
a lot
- Tina Chase Gillmor
think I need a drink right about now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
TWEETING TOO HARD IS BACK UP! check out. HILARIOUS - http://tweetingtoohard.com/top
- Mike Bracco
E3
- Matthew
Pre will be so sold out
- Bwana ☠
it'll be worse than the Wii
- Bwana ☠
It's not over 'til Arrington's the last one standing.
- Denise Howell
willowdale i like that ff doesn't have so many jerks that need to be moderated
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
my wife will kill me if I get a Pre
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
<3 the friendfeed notifier
- Jamie
Customer: "When will you get some more Pre's in?" Best Buy Rep: "April 2010"
- Bwana ☠
Good choice Scoble! Toyota wins best quality, best price and happiest customers in Norway
- Jackson Pollock
What happened to Youtube streaming? Didn't they have a big live event celebrating that? Heh.
- Nick in Manila
They were always like that, Leo.
- caj
I like Makers Mark more than Bulleitt
- Ron Felton
what's the percentage of stick-shifts in the US these days?
- Jackson Pollock
Scoble and Bourbon? Oh NO
- Tina Chase Gillmor
/me passes Tina a memorial day margarita
- Andrew Johnson
Yes, Tina. Steve ended the show. And???
- Francine Hardaway
I wouldn't trust that
- Matthew
Right... the show never ends... not for me anyway
- Tina Chase Gillmor
gm has had the adaptive cruise control for a few years now
- Chris Heath
Robert: seen that in big trucks
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I want to go to Petaluma. Robert, I will drive your new Prius home...and you if you want
- Francine Hardaway
Thats insane, and scary
- aBruchis
yar
- Bwana ☠
Coffee soon Francine?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
no building!?!?
- Bwana ☠
robert - is there room for people with skill specialties in your Building43 ?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
no building for building43?!?! :P
- Bwana ☠
get Savage!
- Jackson Pollock
mike i'm sure there is... it's an inclusive community from what i hear
- Chris Heath
they better get on FF, or Robert will declare they're stupid :)
- Bwana ☠
you built a private room.. you hit three buttons, let's be honest
- Jackson Pollock
would love to help folks with XMPP stuff
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
no one's going to do that Robert
- Bwana ☠
I am going to use it that way for teaching my students
- TonyatMATC
People won't even build a list or hide items now
- Bwana ☠
private rooms would kill a lot of conversation on friendfeed
- Matthew
Beach Boys: "In my room...
- Denise Howell
I don't know bwana - I hide items and have many lists -- just avoiding using a lot of that until they get the API up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twit Conversations doesn't show up in my groups list
- Matthew
I do too
- Bwana ☠
why wasnt it building42? we all know 42 beats all numbers
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
secret posts ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Matthew Not even when you expand?
- Denise Howell
I believe a vast majority of FriendFeed users don't hide nor create lists
- Bwana ☠
friend feed is becoming the best
- Rene Castro
Denise... funny I was just thinking bout that song too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's anonymous only to the users - the FF mail gateway knows
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
customer support complaints
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
yes Denise
- Matthew
sorry already the best
- Rene Castro
Email is Undead
- Bwana ☠
lol Bwana
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh email is dead
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tina FTW!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
kevin just got younger
- Rene Castro
I keep unsubscribing and subscribing to Twit Conversations, but it's never in my list of groups
- Matthew
Gmail is growing
- Jérôme
andrew, henry and patrick
- Jackson Pollock
Steve: That's one of the very best features of FriendFeed - the management pay attention and plays along with the rest of us
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
boom
- Bwana ☠
get a kid on the show and they'll contradict the whole conversation :D
- Bwana ☠
Loving Andrew Marks
- Francine Hardaway
Matthew Must be an exclusivity thing. ;) FOG (Friends of Gillmor)
- Denise Howell
Oh how cute is he??
- Denise Howell
LOL
- Bwana ☠
blog is old media
- Rene Castro
Kevin's son is so adorable
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OK, web sites are passe. So that answers Scoble's question on what makes a website 2010. It doesn't exist.
- Francine Hardaway
Blogging is nearly undead. It got bit by an undead RSS feed.
- Bwana ☠
Blogging isn't dead, but blogging on one platform is dead. And right, blogs used to be shorter.
- Francine Hardaway
twitter is messaging not bloggin
- Joshua Dale
LONG is good.
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
oh man
- Bwana ☠
I think you're right Denise
- Matthew
The destruction of society as we know it. Lazier and fatter. Idiocracy, check it out.
- Jackson Pollock
Leo actually said too much work
- Bwana ☠
Been blogging since 2000. Archives are on WP from 2002. Much shorters posts in the past.
- Francine Hardaway
everything is what you make it
- Andrew Johnson
the man who's a one man tv studio
- Bwana ☠
ok one man, one woman
- Bwana ☠
FOG?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
For Leo, that's true
- Francine Hardaway
Inchoate. Good word
- Francine Hardaway
Yours, with my blessing Tina.
- Denise Howell
he's doing top secret kid stuff
- Bwana ☠
I've got a new podcast idea. The Snakepit. Hosts Gillmour, Dvorak, Calcanis and Winer. I think it could really take off.
- Jackson Pollock
I keep buffering
- Tina Chase Gillmor
these kids will have me out of a job :-)
- Jamie
i kept buffering on IE but not on Google Chrome
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
might be a short list Denise ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, Bit Gravity does that
- Francine Hardaway
I can't wait for the kids to kick us old folks out of all the power spots
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
thats because chrome is made of WIN
- ralphsaunders
I know... sometimes sucks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tina ustream or stickam will probably work better for you
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I was buffering on Firefox, so I switched over to Chrome and it was ok for about 10 min, now its buffering again.
- Tony Miller
Abby's Road... cute
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Abbey Road wasn't suppose to be called Abbey Road. It was originally named Mount Everest
- Jackson Pollock
McCartney said, let's just go across the street and take a picture, cheaper, easier.
- Jackson Pollock
Another crazy Saturday afternoon.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
wooo yeah
- ralphsaunders
thanks Tina
- Hilary Talbot
Good show.
- Willowdale
Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
thanks for another great GG
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ach, you folks haven't followed Kevin since the cooling of the earth (or shortly thereafter) http://funnystories.blogspot.com/
- Denise Howell
After show was teh best bit!
- Chris Lloyd
Good show today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This show should be renamed "This Week in Social Media"
- ralphsaunders
thanks everyone.... you people make this show a valuable experience
- Tina Chase Gillmor
youtube is going turn into only to silly cat videos as things like Hulu have all the real content.
- Mike Bracco
oooh... never heard this before!
- Chris Lloyd
Since I use Miro for all my main youtube subscriptions, its all already downloaded.
- Tony Miller
See ya all! Going to watch The Treasure of the Sierra Madre...
- Jérôme
if you pass a cirtain file to youtube... there's no re-encoding
- Chris Lloyd
Thanks Tina, fun to make it live for a change.
- Denise Howell
Can't Leo just record it locally?
- Greg Byrne
Off to other tasks - Have fun y'all :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Denise.... holler when you come to town
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Will do, been too long
- Denise Howell
saw a women like that last night
- ralphsaunders
never seen steves kids before.
- Jamie
Any idea why the podcast hasn't been updated in over a month? Has GG moved back to a live only format?
- Arawak
Reading aloud is dead! :-)
- invariant
Beat me to it, invariant, lol
- Tony Miller
Just saw the Leo bursting ball video. Can't stop laughing...Now my wife thinks I should get one
- TonyatMATC
Bye Ella, Steve, Leo, all.
- Denise Howell
hi from georgia soundeing good and looking good
- daveccorey
You don't have to have everything anymore with FF notifier. You can pick and choose very specifically.
- Tony Miller
Go lefty's!
- Tony Miller
Are they going to re-run GG. I missed it.
- Wo
Re-run at 5:30 for Gillmor?
- Wo
yes 5:30
- Tina Chase Gillmor
great!
- Wo
not being able to download Gilmor Gang and it only being live sucks... then again the shows is kind of getting boring and repiticious.
- Joel Asaro
They're looking into video downloads of the show... waiting for youtube to allow downloads apparently???
- Chris Lloyd
C Lloyd, they've got an a/v sync problem. Apparently when YouTube does its encoding the sync is skewed.
- Chris Heath
Though discussion because it touches on too many dimensions: RSS as a data format, RSS as a client experience, RSS as a latency, RSS as a solitary experience compared to twitter as a social experience.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
RSS (ATOM) is going to continue to be a key extensible data integration format (as proven) by the work on Atom Pub and the Activity Stream initiatives.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
But new experiences will be built on top of the RSS data integration platform (which will evolve from a simple pull to a combination of push and pull). Many new experience to adapt to both the fact that an increasing number of people are mobile, an increasing number of people want to use their social connections as a filter and an increasing number of people like to check new more often than in the past.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Just watched the re-run, RSS is not dead (yet) but it's not the main technology used for key innovations in realtime, which is Gillmor's point and finally it's getting understood by others.
- Alberto Saavedra
I am waiting for Google to buy Friendfeed and to kill Twitter and Facebook
- Charbax
1141 PM IN GEORGIA GOOD NIGHT EVERY 1 SWEET DREAMS SEE YA SOON
- daveccorey
Missed the show again today, but trying to read over the comments... was it just another round of people talking past each other about whether "RSS is Dead"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: pretty much!
- Robert Scoble
Lovely.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wouldn't it be awesome if these comments could sync up to a recording of the audio/video? FF needs to start time tagging comments for a start.
- invariant
invariant: the speech bubble to the left of the comment has a relative timestamp if you mouse over it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Looks like it isn't fine-grained enough (starts rounding to the hour).
- invariant
I keep pushing for absolute timestamps on those rather than relative ones.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The API will give you absolute times.
- Vezquex
quite right. I see them in f2p for sure.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My answer to Jeremy Toeman, where he discusses ROI of various social networking services:
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Jeremy Toeman said he was getting more ROI out of IM and a variety of other social networking services than friendfeed. Here's his post: http://friendfeed.com/bigtoe...
- Robert Scoble
So, where's the ROI? Well, for one, IM has high interactivity, but low reusability. Same with Twitter. What do I mean by that? Can you bundle up a conversation easily and share it with someone else? Here you can. Just click the "Share" feature.
- Robert Scoble
Compared with Twitter, Jeremy says that friendfeed has less ROI. OK, that's fair. Twitter is easier to comprehend for a lot of people. It's very simple. But, Twitter's search absolutely sucks right now, so the chances that someone will find your great Tweet is almost nil. Here's an exercise: find the original Tweet from the guy who shot the airplane crash in the Hudson. I can find it very quickly here on friendfeed's search. You can't find it right now on Twitter's search.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think FF is better than RSS?
- Jason Hansen
Jason: RSS +is+ friendfeed. Most of the services I'm bringing in here are via RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy says that he's getting less ROI here. What he's really demonstrating is an entitlement attitude that I've seen from others lately "why aren't my items getting comments or likes." I heard the same thing from bloggers who never got comments. There's a trick to getting those, though, if that's your goal: you've gotta be conversational and participatory. People naturally engage with...
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- Robert Scoble
This is the exact same argument that Mike Arrington gave me back in December (plus he had the added problem that his business model requires him to get page views so that he can get paid for his advertising on his blog). Me? I don't care about the business model and I don't really care if I get comments on my items. You might thing I care, but I really don't. The thing is I always am involved in the conversation where it happens.
- Robert Scoble
That's why I do my like feed: http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- I search out the best conversations and I show them to my readers. Then I comment on them. If you never ever come to my feed I really don't care, but I will come to yours.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's true. I do like the conversations/comment feature within FF. I just wish I could get more of the people I know to use this. I hate all the applications/clutter within Facebook anymore & I was always against using MySpace/Facebook until several months ago. I'll never get a MySpace account, but went with Facebook. Twitter, I really use that to stay in touch with the local scene here within NW Ohio. I follow a few people outside of NW Ohio, but not too many.
- Jason Hansen
If you have an entitlement attitude of "they must come to me" you won't do well in this world. Plus, this world is moving from a people-centric business (where guys like Jeremy used to rule, because he's an awesome networker) to one where we search for topics. Actually, thanks to friendfeed you'll see a hybrid approach where guys like Jeremy get seen more often in some topics, but less...
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- Robert Scoble
Jason: if you study the behaviors of 1000 people most won't ever get into using friendfeed. It's too much and they don't know enough of the people here to feel engaged. I think that's part of what Jeremy is saying too: he doesn't know or like a lot of the people he's seeing in friendfeed so he doesn't see the ROI. Remember what Jeremy does for a living: he launches companies and he does...
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- Robert Scoble
The more & more I use FF... I'm starting to like it. I think it's a lot better than Twitter when it comes to "networking". How do you manage these crowds though?
- Jason Hansen
Jason: I've grown up as friendfeed has gotten an audience so I built in coping mechanisms. First I have a "small and intimate" experience like what a newbie has. I've kept one list to fewer than 150 people that I'm following and that's very high signal and very low noise. Then I'm adding a LOT more saved searches on various topics I care about. But that DOES take time to do and if you don't and you are putting all sorts of new people into one folder you're probably getting overwhelmed.
- Robert Scoble
My biggest problem with FF vs. other services such as Twitter is that the FF mobile experience is pretty much non-existent. I know Robert has stated he is happy with the iPhone mobile web experience for FF. But I: 1) use and prefer a BlackBerry over the iPhone, and 2) don't much care for the iPhone FF experience even when I look at it on my iPod Touch. Lack of a suitable mobile...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
See that's the key, Scobleizer, when you are really doing what you love, which you are, you naturally become an expert in your field and naturally attract followers who need or want information about your field. And plus you are happy and not stressed and in a bad mood. And if everyone did what they loved, contrary to what we are taught, to go after the money first, the World's...
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- Stephen Pickering
The other thing that I believe is hurting FriendFeed at the moment is something that similarly hurt Jaiku: people use it as a dumping ground. They create an account, point it at all their various feed sources (of which the primary content source is usually Twitter) and then never log in again. So when FF imports their Twitter stream, if you are actually using FF and reply to them here,...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
(And yes, I know you can configure FF to spam Twitter with followbacks to FF, but I refuse to do that.)
- Christopher A. Wichura
I agree with Christopher A. Wichura - the past 2 weeks have been painful on FF - with too much dumping and too much negativity.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Nice job, Robert. It's easy to look at somebody's feed, see few likes and comments and feel like there's "no activity", but it is a two-way street. This is the very best place to find information and get connected to people. The fact that it has incredible uptime and a deep search database to boot is great as well.
- Louis Gray
I've experienced a little bit of what Jeremy has been talking about... With friend's list set up the way they are, I'm not sure if my posts aren't getting eyeballs cause I'm not in the top lists of most users or because they just scroll by so quickly... or if my posts are getting eye balls and people aren't choosing to engage because the posts are boring... I will say that one thing I...
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- Frankie Warren
OK I'm lost from the get go what's ROI stand for please? But the tone is obiosuly of another FFing hata!
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
Return On Investment
- BRҰANSAҰS
Muchos Dios ~ now I feel "in the loop." As a genuine Frog otherwise known as a Frenchie un Roi is defined in Engish as a king.
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
if I look at a feed which has little else other than "from Twitter" then I just move on.
- John Hardy
Robert, little problem with what you've said. If anyone here dares to claim I don't participate in the conversations of others around here, I will be forced to deliver an electron SMACK! People can engage with others and yet not get much back. With that said, I'm not saying that Jeremy is in the same situation.
- a runcible MiniMage
btw, Robert, it's not an "entitlement attitude" when I made the straight-up disclaimer that what I don't like is the fact that if I don't invest a *LOT* of energy (i said "crazy energy"), I get *NO* likes/comments. it's frustrating and time-consuming, and I think MiniMage's last comment is a perfect summary of it.
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Mike Arrington doesn't come here very often but his items get TONS of likes/comments. Why is that? Oh, the same thing happens on his blog too (he gets many more comments on each of his items than you do on your blog. He also gets more retweets).
- Robert Scoble
According to FFHolic, I'm the 1379th most active user and the 28454th most followed user. But that's ok, because I'm not a great conversation starter even IRL. I enjoy interacting through comments, and once in a while some people read and like my stuff. I do think that FF and Twitter are, for most people, just another way to consume content from those who, like Robert, are great at...
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- invariant
Robert, Mike gets attention on here because he is known elsewhere. Here would be a great test. Someone dump the same items into FF under a different name and I bet the number of likes and comments would dramatically decrease.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH: well, that would be true. But I engage on things of people I know personally a lot more than I would on things of people I don't know at all.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I'm the opposite - I tend to engage with the unknown more on the internet than IRL.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Robert: How do you get to know those people personally? I suspect it's because you've been a big enough force in the world that people will pay you fly everywhere and meet those people. Josie Schmo, on the other hand, is simply going to have to be an unknown who doesn't know the known. This is not a sob story; Josie can make her way, eventually, right?
- a runcible MiniMage
Shhh! I'm trying to have a good attitude so I can get my mind back in the game! ;) That nasty, yelling vlogger guy said Scoble works harder than everyone, and I'm not saying he's wrong.
- a runcible MiniMage
I could never have gotten into this conversation on Twitter, simply cause it doesn't do multi-person threading. From that aspect alone, FF is meaningful, if you have time. However, Twitter does trump it today simply cause the 40% of the folks who don't drop out are tweeting about everything under the sun, making the stream 'real time'.
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
This is a good conversation. Reading it on my iPhone over breakfast is so much better than the boring old Sunday NY Times. Plus it's cheaper.
- Thomas Hawk
If you approach FriendFeed with the Pavlovian idea that you should get Likes and Comments for your contribution then you're going to be disappointed. FriendFeed is not Twitter. FriendFeed is not High School. Popularity doesn't mean much. Or it shouldn't if you're doing it right. In fact, it's *not* a social platform - not really. Use FriendFeed to help you make meaning of all the data...
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- AJ Kohn
I'm starting to look at FF as more of a learning tool. Like a student, I'm here to watch and learn - although it feels stalkerish to follow people around asking questions, reading their conversations, trying out the apps they are trying out, etc.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert: if you ate interested in a topically organized social media aggregator, gethighnote.com strives to do that. Disclosure: I am an advisor. Would love input/feedback.
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Robert, what are your thoughts on the theory that new design has changed the level of engagement for some. I think there is some truth to this. While I've heard that the number of comments and likes have gone up (I think I heard someone from FF say that - maybe on Gillmor Gang?), I get the feeling that a smaller number of popular threads (like Jeremy's yesterday) get the action while...
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- Mike Doeff
@Thomas true, but the "boring old Sunday NY Times" helps make us all more informed about topics we might not come across when we pick & choose our content streams (like this one, which might be interesting and entertaining, but certainly not informing)... but i digress. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Just want to shoot out thanks to Robert Scoble for meeting with me and letting me show him UpNext. Since his mention, we've had a torrent of downloads and shot up to #4 in the Travel section of the App Store. It's really great to have a blogger with a big microphone be so accessible to everyone -- helps the little guys get noticed!
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Nice to hear that a friendfeed post can move the needle for a new company. Thanks and awesome technology!
- Robert Scoble
@clinks - hmmm!?! better put in a call to @scobleizer!
- Nick Wade
Congrats Raj! Also, I wonder if we are still in the I knew (or at least exchanged posts with once) phase of Robert Scoble's eminent rise to internet stardom... or if we're already there. Robert: It's really neat to hear how many folks feel you've helped them.
- SAM
Scott: I've known some people here since before I did a blog. I forget when we first met, but it has been a wild ride since then, huh?
- Robert Scoble
True. Pretty sure if you keep treating people as well as you do, and remain creative... you've got some amazingly neat things coming your way in the future too.
- SAM
Scott: I'm trying to push the web forward along with a lot of other smart people. All of us will win if that happens.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I've figured it out. You're an Enabler. In the most positive aspect, of course.
- caj
One of the few I have seen with 5 stars in the app store. Congrats Raj! So whats next for you ? More cities ?
- Kiran Patchigolla
Kiran: Yes! We're hoping to expand a lot in the coming year now that the platform is fully built. Also have to polish a few things here and there.
- Raj Advani
Raj: Great! Are you guys planning to come up with a single app with purchases for individual cities with the new 3.0 in-app payment system?
- Kiran Patchigolla
Definitely, we'd like to consolidate all of the cities into a single app, makes it easier for everyone I think
- Raj Advani
In case anybody missed it, the FriendFeed post was http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Bruce Lewis
I'd love to use Google's browser but until they run Firefox plugins I'm locked into Mozilla. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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It's really Chrome's performance that sold it to me as my primary browser. I still keep Firefox for Feedly
- Andre P. Siregar
Dave, plugins are coming http://www.chromeplugins.org/extensi...
- John Hardy
I tried Flock from Firefox but I'm back to 'old' Firefox w/plugins. Just can't beat it IMHO.
- Molly
The most popular plugin on Firefox is Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...). Google's core business is serving ads. I think Google is going to drag its feet on plugins as long as they can to avoid AdBlock plus.
- Atul Arora
I felt that way at first, but I have not regretted switching to Chrome at all.
- Brandon Mendelson
@Atul - there is no feet dragging on plugins, I promise. : ) Don't believe me? Come hear Aaron Boodman himself talk about "Developing Extensions for Google Chrome" at Google I/O: http://code.google.com/events...
- DeWitt Clinton
Dewitt - good to hear no feet dragging on Google's part. I can understand how Adblock Plus extension can be detrimental to Google's business. Maybe Google should have an AppStore like notion so it can manage the extensions that can run on Chrome.
- Atul Arora
I have managed to get by without extensions. I go back to FF on occasion to look at what is new with Feedly and a few other services, but for the most part I run Chrome all of the time.
- Sean Brady
Agreed. I know Google has a framework going for extensions, but I'd rather see them go with this new API from Mozilla: http://labs.mozilla.com/2009... Add-ons will be HTML, CSS, and/or JavaScript. No browser restarts and no version compatibility issues.
- Kevin C. Tofel
I think it's much more important to follow a small group of people that you're really paying attention to, says Tim O'Reilly #TwitterBook
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This is exactly true, but is why I use friendfeed so that I can use groups. That lets me follow @timoreilly's advice.
- Robert Scoble
Groups and search are the best way to get rid of the noise. Following too few people will cause you to miss out on stuff. It's best just to have the stuff you want come to you - I guess in that regard you could say I follow millions.
- Jesse Stay
I think it's funny we're commenting about this over on FriendFeed. I wonder if they'll have more comments over here than on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I completely agree.The rules of play are the same on the internet as in the real world-people need real, genuine connections.
- Claudia Hall Christian
I agree with Robert, I also manage my following in friendfeed.
- Jacob
I'm learning from you experts, and have started using FriendFeed, too.
- Doug Millison
Amazon.com: Kindle DX: Amazon's 9.7" Wireless Reading Device (Latest Generation): Electronics - http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-...
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I reaaaaallly hope they get some college textbook publishers in on this.
- EricaJoy
from Bookmarklet
I'm pretty sure they are: http://online.wsj.com/article.... CWRU is going to hand them out to undergrads taking a few select courses
- Benjamin Golub
New features: Beautiful Large Display: 9.7" diagonal e-ink screen reads like real paper; boasts 16 shades of gray for clear text and sharp images Auto-Rotating Screen: Display auto-rotates from portrait to landscape as you turn the device so you can view full-width maps, graphs, tables, and Web pages Built-In PDF Reader: Native PDF support allows you to carry and read all of your personal and professional documents on the go
- EricaJoy
@bgolub That's awesome! I wonder how much the Kindle version of textbooks is going to cost.
- EricaJoy
They are just too expensive. I want a Kindle because I think it would get me reading more but can't justify the price. I could deal with $99 and no frills like annotating, pdf, text-to-speech, etc. That I'd buy in a heartbeat.
- Benjamin Golub
For college kids though, $500 once then heavily discounted Kindle versions of textbooks for the rest of college is a huge win. This is assuming that the Kindle versions of the textbooks are indeed heavily discounted. If they remain ~$60 for a new book then yeah, totally not worth it.
- EricaJoy
Anybody know if the native PDF support will be extended to the V1 and V2 Kindle's via a firmware or software update?
- EricaJoy
I still wouldn't buy it. I tried it and it seems it needs about 2 more iterations until its right for its purpose. Too clunky now. Lemme tell ya! It ain't no iPhone!
- Antonio Altamirano
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- ubirata fernandes
@Antonio - tell us more. How rigid/ robust did it appear to you? Was is too light/ too heavy, or just so for the volume of it in hand?
- ianf ⌘
athousandandone | San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge - http://www.athousandandone.com/2093...
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Awesome. I go across the bridge every two weeks four times and I haven't seen it do this. Looks like you were in a plane, though.
- Robert Scoble
When I was going to school in San Francisco, every time my dad visited, he had to walk across the Golden Gate Bridge. Still does it to this day when he's up there.
- Just Katie
Katie: when the light is magical, the Golden Gate bridge is one of my favorite views in the world.
- Robert Scoble
Check this Thomas Hawk photo out (and videos of when he made it): http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
I have not even been to San Francisco (yet) it's in my list though
- M F
And more on photowalking the Golden Gate Bridge: http://www.flickr.com/photos... and more photos from that evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It is magnificent. Viewing it from Alcatraz is pretty awesome too.
- Just Katie
Katie: I know one of the rangers on Alcatraz. We'll do a photowalking/friendfeed meetup out there soon.
- Robert Scoble
*jealous* after that last photo walk you did with Thomas Hawk you two recounting it was like listening to two boys who who'd just built the most awesomest fort ever! (Things to do before I die...)
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
So cool! You know, I've only been at night. The first time was right after 9/11 so our tour was very small. So small that we were shown areas off the usual tour. Creepy and so awesome all at the same time.
- Just Katie
Katie: I would LOVE to do a night tour of Alcatraz. By the way, Ranger Craig is on friendfeed. http://friendfeed.com/ranger-...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's totally worth it, IMHO. The second time I went it was busier but still great. Just the view alone (especially when the fog is rolling in across the bridge) is stunning. Just gives you a different perspective of the city at night with the lights and everything.
- Just Katie
Very nice to this photo.wonderfully taken.
- K.Ramachandran
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