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Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Users’ Social Behavior - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
Alicia Mickelsen, Neya, Ibrahim Tarlig and 91 other people liked this
"In other words, Facebook users comment on stuff from only about 5-7% of their Facebook friends. And as has been shown by many other studies, women communicate with more people in all cases than men. “People who are members of online social networks are not so much ‘networking’ as they are ‘broadcasting their lives to an outer tier of acquaintances who aren’t necessarily inside the Dunbar circle,’” Lee Rainie, the director of the Pew Internet & American Life Project, says."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
then again, I comment on stuff from only about 0% of my Facebook friends, because, well, Facebook is pretty boring.
- Thomas Hawk
likewise.
- Parth Awasthi
@Thomas: +3. The only reason I go there is when one of my High School friends finds me there.
- AJ Kohn
I'm doing something wrong or I'm really unpopular, 120 "friends" or 500 "friends", who are these people?
- Ace
Interesting stats. I do have to work on those 10 friends, I am not quite talkative.
- Carlos Lorenzo
every now and again it sort of freaks me out when I log on to facebook and some random person tries to chat with me. I don't want that. I have AIM and Yahoo Messenger for that.
- Thomas Hawk
Memo to Web sociologists: Dunbar Number is meaningless online. It is a measure of physical interaction in the RW, limited by time and transportation, not mental abilities of humans. Online, we can have multiples of Dunbar numbers simultaneously.
- Bora Zivkovic
That is incorrect: "Dunbar's number was first proposed by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who theorized that "this limit is a direct function of relative neocortex size, and that this in turn limits group size ... the limit imposed by neocortical processing capacity is simply on the number of individuals with whom a stable inter-personal relationship can be maintained.""
- coldbrew
Dunbar was dead wrong - the limitations are not cognitive,
- Bora Zivkovic
It was and is a theory, and it didn't ever cite a specific number. Your original statement was that it was based on real world interactions when, in fact, it was based on "neocortical processing capacity."
- coldbrew
The Memo was to sociologists, not to Dunbar himself, because it is them who took it and ran away with it, assigning it a number and not realizing that limitations are physical, not cognitive. They fell in love with the idea, without critically engaging with it. I am glad that I know Communications profs who have realized this and teach about Dunbar Number correctly in the context of the Web.
- Bora Zivkovic
or: "Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Boring People's Behavior" ;)
- Meryn Stol
From the post, it was unclear whether the communications were measured for all time, or just within a particular period (i.e. the last six months). I just joined Facebook Thursday morning, so my comment ratio is pretty high.
- Ontario Emperor
So you could probably handle 300,000 personal relationships because cognition isn't an issue?
- coldbrew
It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are. Online, one can swiftly move from one social circle to another. A lot of it does not even require 1-to-1: I check quickly what everyone is broadcasting, and I hope many of them quickly scan what I am broadcasting. I may get into 1-to-1 with one or several of them in the morning, and a totally different group in the afternoon.
- Bora Zivkovic
About 90% of the people in the world - and this includes the highly mobile USA - are born, live and die in one place, often in the same house, rarely or never traveling more than 100 miles from their birthplace. They build their social network in RL - and that is about 150 people.
- Bora Zivkovic
Online, one can have multiples of social groups. Last week in NYC, I met and had a grand time with my "NYC social circle", all initially discovered online, although I may not be in daily contact with any one of them. One's social groups go in and out of one's attention all the time. We go through phases several times a day.
- Bora Zivkovic
And I do not consider my NYC friends any lesser than friends I have at home where I live. I know some people from online interactions MUCH better, in greater depth and detail of mutual understanding, than my next-door neighbors, in-laws or the person I worked with for a year in 2001.
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm having trouble rectifying two statements you've made: 1) "the limitations are not cognitive" 2) "It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are."
- coldbrew
Dunbar Number, used by sociologists to be around 150 is not the cognitive limit. Cognitive limit will be larger, much larger. It exists, but we did not get there (i.e., determining/measuring it) yet. Ask Scoble - he may be close ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
"Dunbar's number is a theoretical cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships...No precise value has been proposed for Dunbar's number, but a commonly cited approximation is 150."
- coldbrew
Another problem is temporal. In the example of the usual people who never travel, their social circle is pretty static throughout their lives. But for people like us, it can be quite dynamic. You engage intensively with a group for a while, then move on, then come back to the same group 20 years later, etc. So, there is now a temporal dynamic on top of spatial and we need to agree on what the definitions are (e.g., time-frame of one's Number).
- Bora Zivkovic
I agree with that, and I believe the number will differ among people substantially; but there will always be an average. I don't think you'll find an argument from anyone that digital communications removes the barriers to interact with greater numbers of people, but one's Dunbar number depends on whether a few simple interactions constitutes a "stable social relationship." [EDIT: removed pronoun for clarity ]
- coldbrew
I agree we need to have a good definition of the terms "stable", "social" and "relationship". I am now brewing a blog post about this - thank you ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
That sounds like a good idea. This can be quite an academic discussion, and somewhat distant from my formal education (hm, I wonder if you could draw parallels to molecular interactions? Some proteins are comprised of thousands of atoms.). I'll be sure to read your take.
- coldbrew
Social media is really great for increasing one's "loose ties". It doesn't have to be merely broadcast. You can engage with people when they're doing something what interests you.
- Meryn Stol
http://scienceblogs.com/pureped...
- Bora Zivkovic
http://friendfeed.com/e... "What mainly goes up, therefore, is not the core network but the number of casual contacts that people track more passively. This corroborates Dr Marsden’s ideas about core networks, since even those Facebook users with the most friends communicate only with a relatively small...
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- NoahDavidSimon
I really don't see significant difference here between gender. I would of thought it would be higher. ...no I really do think it would be higher.. these numbers are quite misleading. the intimacy in the contacts are quite different in a number spread between genders. women are more apt to have more semi intimate friends and males are more likely to have more very intimate friends. and...
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- NoahDavidSimon
tag: Dunbar
- Bora Zivkovic
I think FB missed a bet to turn off user comments on a whole host of things. When users post status updates to their own wall, any of their friends can comment. When anyone else writes on a given user's wall, no one can comment on those posts. Stupid decision.
- Andrew C (✓)
Woot, and today I see comments on wall messages are back.
- Andrew C (✓)
Twitter Client War: Twhirl vs. TweetDeck - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Helen M Overland, Adrian, Nigel Kitchen and 79 other people liked this
i still like tweetdeck better :)
- Rodney Rumford
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- @LarsenTweet
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
iam sticking with twhirl for now...
- Stephan Linzner
@ninjamonk which tool did you develop?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
Twhirl
- Vishy
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius QúådflÌÊg
http://twtpoll.com/r/jaqtnw still, more people use Twitter from the web...
- Orli Yakuel
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I really agree with this :)
- Liviu Lica
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
twhirl, far better
- Richard A.
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- webojunk
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I love Twhirl. This may seem weird, but tried TweetDeck and it seemed too masculine for my tastes.
- Julie Bovee Hill
Tweetdeck hands down
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
Here's the link: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
tweetdeck is broken for me right now... not sure why. Only displays @replies and searches; NO feed and no DMs (not complaining there!)
- Susan Beebe
I use both
- andy brudtkuhl
sounds like the stupidest war ever
- sean percival
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
TweetDeck is my choice as well.
- Darrell Madore
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
Kindle 2: First Reading and Impressions | Fast Company (I already ordered mine) - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
Numan Çebi, Abhishek Kumar, Scorpio and 29 other people liked this
I ordered a Kindle 1.0 three weeks ago. I just looked and my order has turned into a 2.0 order, so I should be one of the first to get my Kindle. I will let you know what I think when it shows up.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
I dont know why but I still like the old design!
- Jigar Mehta
This looks much better than the previous... I hope this one supports uploading of highlighted text.
- Meryn Stol
I know it isn't designed specifically to be a mobile browser, but if that worked (twitter, web browsing, google maps, etc) then I would buy one as I do not even have a mobile data plan for my phone.
- zebtron
This would be great for text-apps like Twitter (and friendfeed with images and such turned off)
- Meryn Stol
I am happy that Amazon is offering K1 owners to "cut" in line and get a K2 from the first batch. I am planning to order a new Kindle tonight.
- Sean Brady
I've always been interested in ebooks, but $350 is still pretty steep. My physical book consumption has gone downhill in favor of Audible but there are still some books which audio format is horrible for. Kindle + Audible might be the holy (expensive) grail?
- Trevin
expecting second hand kindles 1 to be reasonably priced soon :)
- Iphigenie
Ugly. I'd rather have a book or magazine.
- Ryan
I'm just wishing they'd launch it internationally so I could try one out!
- Martin Bryant
Until you use one it's difficult to understand how cool it is. It'd be a nearly perfect gadget if I was better able to read a technical book or magazine on it. As it is, I plan on not ever buying another paper novel and only grudgingly buying a few must-own paper non-fiction books that don't come to Kindle.
- iTad
The size still bugs me - books don't need keyboards
- Craig McGill
You're right. Neither do TVs. So please kindly remove the keys from your laptop.
- Christopher Galtenberg
There should be an option to buy the hard copy of a book, and get the ebook version for free which can be shared with just one other person (or , perhaps a chapter of your choosing).
- coldbrew
I ordered one too. Think I will still mostly read hard copies of books as I like the aesthetics of a book in my hands but my biz is real estate and the Kindle will be great for pdf-ed info sheets. But, check back as I probably will convert and read quite a bit with it.
- Craig Mische
if there's any extra...
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
We can't get them in the UK. Not even the Kindle 1
- Pete Gilbert
from twhirl
which is why we don't get excited about the kidnle :-)
- Richard A.
If there's anyone who can do it...Scoble can!
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
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