Dear Elisa, Thank you today for sharing your vision for the new Yahoo! over at the Yahoo! blog today. Your new tagline “under new management…yours,” is refreshing indeed. Sometimes it takes new management to shake things up. I applaud your spirit in suggesting that “I” Thomas Hawk ought to have a say in how Yahoo’s management is run going forward. In your letter to all of us you write: “The core of our message will focus on YOU. It will celebrate all of your individual wants, needs, interests, and passions. That’s because Yahoo! really is all about you — we’re constantly evolving to give you more of what you want and less of what you don’t. We want you to make the Web your own and are designing products to put you in the driver’s seat of your Internet experience. Our new brand positioning reflects that.” I thought that that I’d take a few minutes out of my busy morning browsing photos on Flickr (I browse hundreds a day) to share with you just exactly how you might “celebrate” my...
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- Thomas Hawk
At one point my account was rated as NIPSA, which is ridiculous if you look at what I post. And it took me a while to figure out that it was why my photos weren't showing up in public groups.
- John (bird whisperer)
Since flickr has a public moderation system, it is better that they use that than the secret NIPSA flag to hide images behind your back. Hopefully Elisa Steele reads this letter and takes it to heart. I'm convinced now more than ever that it is going to take actual management at Yahoo or others at the shareholder level to effect change as the decision makers at Flickr simply don't care. Unfortunately.
- Thomas Hawk
They fixed it pretty quickly after I complained, but that sort of content flagging really ought to be more obvious.
- John (bird whisperer)
Plug1 had his entire account NIPSA'd for a while too. They did it to me as well for several months. 100% of my photostream was NIPSA'd. The worst thing about it is that it's secret and you don't know. They still have individual images of mine NIPSA'd that are not offensive in the least, merely critical of censorship practices at Flickr. I've emailed them asking them to provide me a list of my images that they've classified as NIPSA but they haven't responded to this request yet.
- Thomas Hawk
I have to ask the question: Why continue to support Flickr with your patronage when they have taken such a ham-fisted approach to their userbase and their community? Not that I think they're in the right on many of their latest questionable actions, but why not just leave and encourage others to do the same? What's the piece of this I'm missing?
- Bryce Moore
Bryce - for me it's the investment in time I've put into Flickr. Moving would not just entail sending nearly 6,000 photos to a new host (and for a lot of ppl here, we're talking a lot more photos than that), but also the fact that so many of my blog posts have photos attached from my Flickr account. Plus, a lot of other ppl and sites use my Flickr photos. Then there's the community aspect. Flickr accounts aren't the same as a blog account which can be exported out from one place and imported into another.
- Gary
Bryce, Flickr is a unique photographic community like none other. As strongly as I object to the ways that they've treated me and others, the fact is that the community is the richest most vibrant community of photographers anywhere online. I don't think at present anyplace else comes close to that. And so for better or worse Flickr is it. I just wish that they cared a little more and...
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- Thomas Hawk
Gary and Thomas -- I understand the time investment. I can see where that can be a show-stopper. The community hasn't really been an issue for me, but that's mostly from my own lack of investment in it. I guess it is easier for a small potato like me to abandon Flickr than those such as yourselves which have thousands of images uploaded, embedded, and commented on. I only hope you're...
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- Bryce Moore
Some wise company should create an easy migrate tool that will pull flickr images and tags so that its painless to leave flickr.
- EricaJoy
Smugmug offers that very tool for its users who are fleeing the evil clutches of flickr. ( Ok, that was meant to be a joke, but the tool is real)
- Roberto Bonini
I don't think it's just about migrating images. That's the easy part. Rather, I think it's the community. I've got over 13,000 people who have made me a contact and view my images and posts there. I'm active in a group with over 3,000 members that is super active every day. This community interaction and engagement is firmly entrenched in Flickr and that's not likely to change....
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- Thomas Hawk
I think this is a welcome reboot by Yahoo, and hopefully this is an underlying change, not just a marketing blitz and a ring of the Nasdaq opening bell. Of all the old-school internet companies, Yahoo seems to be the one with the biggest customer-service problem across their product line, so this couldn't come any faster. They should learn from Jeff Bezos, when they screw up (eg 1984), they should accept responsibility, fix the problem and move on!
- 1001 noisy cameras
"He thinks Twitter is “Feudal” in that those with large numbers of followers behave like barons of old, picking those they favour at random." Exactly the problem.
- Bryce Moore
And here is the upcoming "other dropping shoe" of the AP getting notified left, right and center by newspapers of their intent to disconnect from AP subscriptions.
- Bryce Moore
And you could do every single one of these 21 items and still wallow in anonymity if you're not linked to by the right person. Welcome to the web - it's not what you know, it's who links to you. Would the last person to leave please turn out the lights on the shared web server?
- Bryce Moore
The cost of living in the age of paranoia... Finally people are starting to question the reduction of their rights. The question is whether or not it's too late.
- Bryce Moore
I share Dave's frustrations with Twitter, but Friendfeed has been a flop for me so far. My interaction rates (picture clickthroughs) on Twitter are 25x what they are on FF...
- Bryce Moore
Well, that's cool. Instead of wasting my time and money at a Podcamp, I can buy one (singular) red marker and a box of printer paper, right? And the bonus is I'll only have a slightly used red marker at the end of the day...
- Bryce Moore