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Eric Rice
Twitter developer claims the 'the internet is built wrong' | Negative Approach - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
Sarah Palin works for Twitter? /smirk - Eric Rice from Bookmarklet
Perhaps, but they can see Jaiku from here, so it's okay... - Bryce Moore from twhirl
HAHAHA BRYCE - Eric Rice
+1 Bryce!! OMG that was funny! - Susan Beebe
Why haven't they used virtual duct tape on him yet - Cyndy
Hahahaha +1 Bryce - Gordon Swaby
Right. Stupid statement, sorry. - Patricia
Thomas Hawk
Use a Swear Word in a Private Email at Flickr and You Get Your Account Deleted - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
The power these services hold over us is extreme. It's one of the major downsides of the Web 2.0 services. - Robert Scoble
Personally I wish all of these services had a clear policy of what will get you kicked off, and how they'll handle it. I also wish that they would NEVER delete previous work. They should just lock you out of your account if they don't like you, but leave your work up there (and the work of the community). - Robert Scoble
This really sucks actually. Pierre complained about their threat to him and they simply deleted him. I've put thousands and thousands of hours into my Flickrstream. It would be devastating if they did this to me. This really was uncalled for. On digg here: http://tinyurl.com/4hmtvz - Thomas Hawk
Flickr has really went downhill since the Yahoo purchase - John Duff
that's really sad. Flickr... Where have you gone? - ※Fu※
I don't agree with Flickr deleting the account but that email he sent was a bit much. That in itself is abuse, albeit to staff not users, and is against the terms of use. - Andrew Smith
Andrew: I agree with you. If I were at Flickr I would have "fired" Pierre too (locked him out of his account, and told him he's not welcome on Flickr anymore). But I would NOT have deleted his work, or deleted the work of the community that built up around his work. - Robert Scoble
I'm wondering what it takes until people, and I mean masses, stop using services that have theis kind of (miss-)management. I guess things like these only come up if you know someone like Thomas Hawk, etc. I don't want to know how often and what else goes wrong behind the scenes, but still people keep suing these services. Like Robert said, their power is extreme. - Holger Eilhard
At the same time, I have to agree with Andrew that his reply was too much. How about asking in a polite way for the actual reasons behind this first and not just screaming out loud like there's no tomorrow? - Holger Eilhard
Give him a "time-out" - Andrew Smith
The title to your post is a bit misleading. I can see where you are going with Flickr deleting the account for numerous blocks being a bit over the top, but please remember that the people answering these emails are people too, and speaking to them in the way that your friend spoke to them is unacceptable. His account wasn't deleted for cursing, in the text of the email you posted he is being completely abusive. Why would Flickr continue to do business with an obviously abusive user? - Aaron Krug
Robert Scoble won't even approve comments he doesn't like on his fastcompany.tv site, and I seem to remember when you were all up in arms a little bit ago about being treated disrespectfully at SF MOMA. Why should the folks at Flickr suffer the abuse of this man? Because he is your friend? Your friend should've acted like the adult he wanted to be treated like and I am willing to bet things would've gone very differently. - Aaron Krug
@cmiper That's just what I told to a friend via twitter: "I'm wondering what else might be behind the story. There's always two sides [of a story]." - Holger Eilhard
The author of the recent article "Nasty As They Wanna Be" (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...) tosses around various nonsense such as whether excluding racist activity is discriminatory against racists, and whether banning harassment is harassing the harasser... but you can have your account deleted for using bad words in private? Either Flickr's policies are made of hot air, or there's more to this story. Also, poor choice of words on Pierre's part. - Tom Harrison
If Pierre was such an active user then he knew of this flaw and was tempting fate and got what he deserved. He used words I won't even say out loud in that email. I find it ironic that his whole point was that it should be ok for others to block him and he wasn't doing anything that was abusive and was completely abusive in doing so. - Aaron Krug
@Ole: Yip. This black and white behaviour on Flickr's part isn't good. They should be able to lock someone out, but only being able to delete the work of someone forever can't be the right way to handle these kind of things. - Holger Eilhard
Pierre's response was a bit much. But that's him. He's Pierre. He's well known for who he is by Flickr and their staff. I don't think his response was right. But I think that total account deletion takes it a bit too far. He should have gotten a warning or maybe been locked out of his acct for 24 hours or something. But total account deletion in this case without warning is too far. - Thomas Hawk
You have to keep in mind that this is not about simply starting over or the $25 for a Pro account. Very active Flickr users put thousands and thousands of hours into their accounts. The punishment doesn't fit the crime in this case. They should reinstate his account. - Thomas Hawk
Facebook does the same thing for a lot less than swearing at staff. - Robert Scoble
If there is another side to this story I haven't heard it. I've seen all of the emails involved in today's incident and published the main two relating to the case. If there is more to the story though Flickr is certainly welcome to chime in. - Thomas Hawk
@aaronkrug2 He might have known. But Flickr only got de-brained recently. I had my brush with Heather too but that was before the Yahoo merger. Have nothing bad to say about her. Outcome was fair. Facebook suspends you as punishment for having too many 'friends' but at least they can open your account again after a grace period or your friends standing up to them. - Frank Jonen
Thomas. He was responding to a warning, albeit to something different, however it was a warning nonetheless. Why should the Flickr crew believe he would react any differently if they warned him for being abusive? Would that not have elicited an even worse response? You say he was well known and he knew them well, so he knew the stakes. Maybe next time he will act like an adult when he comes across something he doesn't like. And when you say a bit much you are being misleading again. That email was terrible. - Aaron Krug
What defines a Swear Word? Howard Stern would not last long on Flickr. - Michael Fidler
It sounds like the only mistake the Flickr crew made was to let this guy go on acting like this for so long and make him think that kind of thing was acceptable in the first place, something they obviously just corrected. - Aaron Krug
Thomas, you say that Flickr only got de-brained recently, however your description of your friend sounds like he has been acting unacceptably for some time. You say that your experience with the same person was fair and acceptable, do you think it would have been the same way had you chosen to use the language your friend did? - Aaron Krug
I don't know thomas, with all due respect, i'm not sure what your friend was expecting. it shows very little respect for the flickr rep and also paints a pretty clear picture of why MAYBE this guy has been blocked. i think many reasonable people would have done the same thing. no one needs suffer abuse. I have received many different notices about complaints about my flickr due to my... more... - merkley???
THIS IS STOOOOPID... come'on flickr what gives?!! Go DIGG this story now! http://tinyurl.com/4hmtvz I am sorry folks but i have NO tolerance for small brained BS like this... these companies are way too draconian sometimes... lighten up already! - Susan Beebe
Thomas, cmiper and merkley are making a lot more sense than you are on this one. No one should be asked to take that kind of abuse at all, and you are asking the Flickr guys to take it and issue a warning? You didn't like being treated rudely at SF MOMA, what about this is different? Your friend should've acted with a lot more maturity than he chose to show - Aaron Krug
Aaron, I wouldn't use that language with Flickr staff but I guess I don't read the email as badly as you do. I've seen plenty worse in Flickr forums. I think Flickr needs to have thicker skin. I'm not defending his email. I'm just saying that deleting thousands of hours of someone's work is too big of a response for Pierre's typical Pierre hot headedness. And it is total crap to threaten someone with deletion simply because too many people block them. I've had plenty of people block me. - Thomas Hawk
And we're not talking about AT&T telling you to go to Sprint because they don't like your language. When Pierre's account was deleted he lost *thousands* of hours of work. That's just too big a penalty for that email. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas, you and I are in complete agreement that it is total crap to have an account deleted just for people blocking you. You and I are in complete agreement there. However where we differ is I answer customer service emails for a living and can tell you that I am a smart, polite, upstanding person who will not be addressed in this manner. Ever. Your only reasoning is that it's 'typical Pierre hotheadedness'. So because he does it all the time it's ok? - Aaron Krug
Aaron, how is this different than the SFMOMA? I was kicked out of the SFMOMA for doing something completely unoffensive and allowed, the Flickr employee was not. Your analogy doesn't make sense on any level. Too very different situations. - Thomas Hawk
It sounds like from the other comments as well that it was not just this email, this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. He has been directly abusive on numerous occasions to the very proprietors of the service he claims to value. If he valued it as much as he said he did he would've thought twice before choosing his course of action. - Aaron Krug
And why was he abusive previously? Because he didn't agree with Flickr policies? Its a big internet, if he didn't like it no one was making him stay. Its not like you can go into McDonald's and speak to them like this because they don't sell Whoppers and then expect them to still serve you. I'm with Flickr all the way on this one. - Aaron Krug
re @thomashawk "punishment should fit the crime" well, i'm not sure how i'd react because it's never really happened, but if someone went off like that to me in my living room, i think throwing them and all their stuff out on the street would be a fair and expected move. gently guiding him onto a small chair in a corner for a time out might be a little condescending to everyone. you... more... - merkley???
Whether it was the straw that broke the camels back or not I still think that deleting thousands of hours of someone's work forever is not an appropriate response. Maybe lock him out of the account for a cooling off period, sure. Do that a few times and then kick him out of the site. Maybe it's hard to understand because for most people it's just an account whereas for some of us it represents something with far far more of an emotional investment. - Thomas Hawk
Gotta say I disagree with how Flickr threatened to delete the account because people were blocking him. Without more info, it really doesn't seem like an intelligent reaction. After Pierre's reply, I can't say I blame them for not wanting to deal with him any longer. However, I think locking him out would have been better than deleting his account. - a runcible MiniMage
Pierre is a loved character on Flickr despite his hot headedness. He's very ingrained in the community and has been for years. Personally I think many of the characters on Flickr are what makes it interesting. Mr. Chalk, Billy Warhol, there have been plenty of others who have big personalities and take things too far. But Flickr should have more tolerance for their characters before taking such draconian action here. It was a nuclear response and too much for the crime. - Thomas Hawk
And it is super lame that you can get your account deleted for too many people blocking you, which is the issue that started this all off in the first place. - Thomas Hawk
it's hard to have pity for a man who burns down his own house, whether he knew the potential of the match he was striking is another story. the bigger shame is when the house was filled with other people's stuff and that all went up in smoke as well -- but even then, disappointment should be pointed at the drunk guy with the gas can and that should be kept to a minimum since it's all backed up www.archive.org -- i'll stop now. - merkley???
i think blocking just sets off the investigation which in this case was a very short one with considerably strong "craaazay guy" evidence being found in the first interview. -- ok stopping for reals -- - merkley???
More conservative bullshit. Everything has to be clean and tidy and fit in nice little boxes. I thought Fluckr ;) was about promoting creativity, not stifling it. Creativity isn't always PG-13, it comes rated R, and sometimes NC-17. And the beauty of blocking is just like changing the channel and not watching. It's not an attack on the artist, just a way of not watching his work because you chose not to. Isn't choice the foundation of a free society? - DAVE ID
Whatever happened to all the Data Portability stuff that was all the rage beginning of this year? - Jesse Stay
I still am in complete agreement that you should not be able to have your account deleted for too many people blocking you. The problem here is, Pierre ruined any point he was trying to make by acting like a foul mouthed child. Thomas when you say the punishment should fit the crime I agree, but the crime here is different than you are claiming. Pierre chose not to act like the adult he was claiming to be, and chose to be completely abusive towards the staff. I can think of no situation where the language - Aaron Krug
he chose to use would be acceptable. So in response to the way that he acted, not the fact that he had too many people blocking him, they deleted his account. This is something I feel they are well within their rights to do. Pierre was a very active member of the community and had just received a message warning of account deletion, did that not even cross his mind as a possible outcome for his actions? He needs to learn that if you try to bully everyone you meet in life, sometimes you end up losing. - Aaron Krug
While I don't agree to the email he first received about being deleted because so many people blocked him, his response was way over the top. - Becca
Mona Nomura
Little People - a tiny street art project - http://little-people.blogspot.com/
Little People - a tiny street art project
Little People - a tiny street art project
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Nicely done; where do you find this stuff Mona? - Aaron Krug
That is AWESOME. And that McDonald's ship... Wow. - Vincent X
OMG... I just posted this after you (and deleted it)... are we looking at the same secret site for all the cute fun small stuff? - Brandon
Brandon: I'm cleaning out my bookmarks by posting here... I need a SweetCron already so I can archive all this -- the pictures, some gadgets, but all the articles are from my reader / bookmarked sites :) - Mona Nomura
I'm cleaning my "Likes", now that i know i have 2499 limit for the rest of the week. - Nir Ben Yona
hahahhaha! Do an edythe and post manually. I love that - [like] :) - Mona Nomura
I think she got an extended coupon. - Nir Ben Yona
reminds me of the itty bitty billboard I saw in Venice today: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Anthony Citrano
Anthony: Wow. Where was it placed? - Vincent X
@Vincent: somewhere west of ocean front walk, on one of those grassy areas adjacent to the bike path. - Anthony Citrano
Love this! - Bee
very kool - (jeff)isageek
Beautifully done. Congratulations to the maker! - Rodrigo Jaroszewski
These are fantastic! I'd love to get a copy of the book, but what would really be awesome would to have been in London today for the Little People Treasure Hunt the artist put on. - tagami
love it - mikepk
I wish I was that creative. - John Ford
Eric Rice
Ustream.tv live .. playing with augmented stuffs http://ustream.tv/channel...
Thanks for all who came by. And Microsoft, you're welcome. People don't know. :P - Eric Rice
Truespace7 is now free to download alos, no more 500 buck cost. - Eric Rice
Great show, Eric. Enjoyed the 3D camera stuff I saw. - Bryce Moore from twhirl
Eric Rice
Has there ever been some psychological study on people who look at the camera vs. look at the recording window (ie, themselves) when recording video to post. I've started to notice this more and more and wonder if personality type et al things affect this?
Are you baiting me with this stuff, Eric? LOL I've not heard of such a study, but sounds like a great research question. Get busy, then publish it. - Brian Rendel
nah-you gonna hook up the Chumby and do one? Your assumption prolly on target. - Mark Forman
I'm an artist, not a psycho logist - Eric Rice
and on similar but different topic-My theramin playing blows hot and cold. Marinate on that. - Mark Forman
This is why I don't do video... I would be trying to do BOTH and looking completely stupid in the process. - Bryce Moore from twhirl
i tend to think it's more to do with comfort level, newbies tend to be self-conscious so they want to see what they look like on the recording window. Once the adaption sets in, they'll look at the camera more often. - Benedict Wong
Eric Rice
So seeing how Podcamp Boston isn't a real podcamp anymore, can I ask the totally altruistic hippie question of where do the people in Boston go for the freebie camps?
This is Boston, bruh, (a.k.a. Taxachusetts) -- even if it is free, it will cost you. Marinate. - DYKC?™
I'm tellin' ya... if camping is what you want, the city isn't where to look. I should organize a wilderness podcamp. heh - Brian Rendel from fftogo
Brian, that would be an actual "barcamp" -- which, I believe many people would be down with! I heard of something like this happening on the West coast, with quite a bit of success. - DYKC?™
Brian: see barcamp boston link above/below. And dude, people camped at Microsoft's office in San Francisco, but that's not the point. Look, PCB admitted they changed the rules, that's fine, we've been down this road. So it's more a conference and not a camp thing. Not all Podcamps are alike. So I'm just asking a simple question. BROKE ASS BEANGEEKS GO WHERE? Thanks in advance. - Eric Rice
FeeFree Wilderness Podcamp U.P. Michigan Who'd show up? - Brian Rendel from fftogo
Maybe peeps will show up in the hallways :D - Michael Gaines
barcamp 3 was in May. http://www.barcampboston.org/ Great event, lots of fun. Very tech centric, but could be pushed in any direction if enough social media types showed. - Justin Whitaker
mel apparently it's not even about podcasting anymore, i dunno. - Eric Rice
it seems that Podcamps have really turned into How To Create And Leverage My Social Capital In Hope To Make Money Camp. Or maybe it's I Play With Social Media So Why Am I Still Poor And Lonely Camp. - Schlomo Rabinowitz
@melmcbride What the hell is a "friend collector"? Aren't you the person using people from Seesmic for your class without their consent? "This is what a person shouldn't do". - Michael Gaines
@eric - Jaiku? Or maybe even FriendFeed? - Linda Mills
Yeah the more I think about the seesmic thing, the more I think there is nothing to complain about. All videos have hyperlinks, embed codes and are publicly visible. But heh, this thread is a wacky one, huh HOW ABOUT THOSE GIANTS - Eric Rice
Whether created in a public space or not, it's still copyrighted. I think you should watch Seemsic's copyright expert on Seesmic tonight at 6pm EST. Also, Seesmic uses Creative Commons now. Also, Seesmic has Terms Of Service - Michael Gaines
I'm curious where academic fair use (or any fair use that is) comes into play. - Eric Rice
"Except as allowed under Section 5 of these Terms of Service, you may not post, download, print, make commercial use of or otherwise use User-Generated Content that you do not own without a license or other prior written approval from the owner(s) of the User-Generated Content in question." - Michael Gaines
Rob, one needs look no further than the differences in dramas of filmmakers and radio djs respectively to see history repeat. I don't know what socmedia has a precedent. Proms, maybe? /snort - Eric Rice
Also, my other point is that you're criticizing these events and yet don't attend them yourself. These are more than a bunch of people getting together to feed their egos. I'm meeting up with people I actually care about. I'm also doing a seesion on teaching people how to do a podcast. I have no hidden agenda. Parents were both teachers. - Michael Gaines
Running out the door, will answer when I get home. I seem to be defending a lot of people lately :/ Three best people that don't lifestream? Hard to say if you consider Twitter/Seesmic that way. I can name probably a dozen people that I personally think are quite intelligent that are going. - Michael Gaines
I'm liking the wilderness camp idea more the longer this thread gets. - Brian Rendel from fftogo
wow - leave it to eric to bring a hockey fight to friendfeed ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
melanie: 3 recommendations - rocketboom, ask a ninja & something to be desired (video) - anything from podiobooks.com & see my podcast.com page for audio recommendations (there are tons of good ones) http://my.podcast.com/glemak/ - as for podcamps, i've never been but have lots of friends involved and a number who enjoy them so wish them well - have to agreed w/ rob, schlomo & eric - get a sense a lot of carpetbaggers jumped on the podcasting bandwagon & use podcamps as way to drum up biz vs helping others - mike "glemak" dunn
For what it's worth, the original PodCamp fee was imposed because huge numbers were signing up and very few were actually attending, meaning the organizers were stuck with lots of leftover food and trinkets. I still think the "fee" should be refunded to anyone who shows up. (And if anyone really needs a commemorative T-shirt, take your own white one and have people sign it, for heaven's sake!). About the "late fee" I know nothing and frankly think it's taking the "community" spirit in an opposite direction. - Linda Mills
The $50 was because we had almost a 60% no show, but had sponsors pay for space, tee shirts, and other things that expected another 700 people. It was a way to show a commitment to participate, and to help us understand who was really going to be there this time. - Chris Brogan
Regarding where to go in Boston, there's nothing saying one couldn't start a free PodCamp in Boston. The rules don't preclude two in the same city. About the content, there are tons of sessions on the basics of podcasting, blogging, and videoblogging, and more. Schedule is here: http://www.podcampboston.org/present... . Throw stones AFTER you investigate the details. Or don't. Doesn't matter. - Chris Brogan
As for the carpetbaggers (great term, @glemak), are they NOT at other community events? I call bullshit on that. - Chris Brogan
I think I should probably start two new threads, one with the Seesmic topic and one with the "So, um, is there a good old fashioned barcamp thing in Boston for Boston peoples?" topic. - Eric Rice
chris: lol - agreed carpetbaggers are everywhere on the web, as soon as anything gets a little traction some sleazeball tries to figure out how they can take advantage of it at the expense of others ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
Seesmic shifted here since this thread is about repurposed content anyway: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Eric Rice
It's hard to pick just three people. Right off the bat I'd have to recommend my co-hosts: Eric, Joe Cascio, Christine, Annie Boccio, and Sarah Vela. Terry (loudmouthman), Phil Campbell, Christian (documentally), Phil2Barro, Scott Johnson, Leo Laporte (learned a lot from him). That's off the top of my head. - Michael Gaines
Nobody can give you an answer other than you have to try it out for yourself. You have to see what's out there, what you like what you don't. When it's new, it's going to be awesome and new, but over time you'll get to that point where you want to start culling your lists - Michael Gaines
agree w/ michael, overtime you'll get a sense of what you like and what you don't plus podcasters change things up sometimes for the better & sometimes not - i've had probably a dozen since they started ~4 yrs ago but that's a rarity - egc's the longest... - mike "glemak" dunn
Eric Rice
Is the Long Tail Argument Just Plain Wrong? - http://mbf.blogs.com/mbf...
Seriously.. Look around you.. The long tail is everywhere.. - Dustin
Poor harvard. First Facebook, now this. - Linda Mills
Rishabh Mishra (p248)
You know you're a geek when you crack open "The Principles of Beautiful Web Design" to decide what color to paint a room.
Agree, though the geekagor doesn't look at walls ;-) - directeur from NoiseRiver
It's a selling point when it comes time to move. "As you can see, the warm tones of our house are all web safe." - James (@willia4)
James +1 :) - directeur from NoiseRiver
To increase the geekiness involved in choosing the color, I'm thinking about using the color #3C6EB4, which is one of the colors in the Fedora logo (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki...). I used http://www.easyrgb.com/index... to find the closest color match in the database of various paint stores. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
lol - xero
@possible248: You have my respect! Sulphur :) - directeur from NoiseRiver
Actually, I don't even use Fedora anymore, as I erased the Fedora partition a few days ago and replaced it with Ark Linux. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
@possible248: WHY? Come on! WHY? :) -- <troll>at least you didn't erased it to put ubuntu :p </troll> - directeur from NoiseRiver
Maybe it's a bad time to bring up that I use Ubuntu as my main distro. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Dave Slusher
If you escalate a problem to me and make me look at it, and you haven't bothered to look at the log files that spell out the issue clear as day over and over, I'm going to be unhappy with you.
Dave Slusher
Good turnout for Jesse Helm's wake. I'm sure it is for the classic reason, to make sure he's really dead.
lol literally woke up my dogs :) - mike "glemak" dunn
Paul Rj Muller
Takin' it to the streets! - Linda Mills
I've always wanted to subscribe to the sidewalk - Stefan Hayden
:-D I think i might leave this all over the neighborhood now... link back to a funky site or something RL hyperlinks - Paul Rj Muller
The more people who see it, the better... I can't tell you how many people have asked me where RSS is (after seeing it in the oval sticker on the back of my car). - Linda Mills
Mona Nomura
Huzzah Goods - Blinkey Road T-shirt - http://www.huzzahgoods.com/Blinkey...
Huzzah Goods - Blinkey Road T-shirt
ooo Pac-man with a little Frogger mash - Michael W. May from twhirl
if only it were a bday, i'd bake Pac-man cupcakes too! That shirt is SO rockin - Mona Nomura
Pacman Abbey Road! - Mark Forman
Just saw this on Boing Boing: http://boingboing.net/2008... - Vincent X
RAD someone posted pacman cupcakes from flickr too... i forgot who it was but here's the link: http://flickr.com/photos... - Mona Nomura
Yeah, Naomi's work is amazing! The queen of cupcakes. http://flickr.com/photos... - Vincent X
the mario cupcakes are awesome.. tho as a retro lover, i wish it were more og mario and not paper mario-ish. nevertheless, they are SO awesome: http://flickr.com/photos... - Mona Nomura
Speaking of Mario, have you seen the Mario wedding cake? http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Mona Nomura
No. Wow! That's really amazing. And it's almost entirely edible! - Vincent X
and not food related but the mario car: http://englishrussia.com/... - Mona Nomura
I love the Pac Man! My favorite is the Pac Man defense! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
James (@willia4)
Scientists create roundest objects in the world - http://www.engadget.com/2008...
The story is cool. The Engadget commentary, "Takes trivial to a whole `nother level, no?" was a vapid waste of text. Yes, actually defining the kilogram in terms of fundamental aspects of the universe is a good thing. Especially since the current standard seems to be losing mass... - James (@willia4)
Dave Slusher
So there is some sort of thing between Violet Blue and Boing Boing. I stopped reading Boing Boing and find VB highly tedious in every form I've ever experienced her work. This feels to me like when the Mets play the Yankees - I can't really root for either.
Well, I still read boingboing, but I find the Violet Blue thing not really worth the drama it's receiving. Meh...not much to see here, IMO. - Ken Kennedy
Kurtiss Hare
languages are just the varnish for intent: you may as well choose one that doesn't stink up the house.
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