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global sunset {3/100} on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Malevi4, Kol Tregaskes, George Moga and 32 other people liked this
stunning
- Michael W. May
I know. so cool.
- edythe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Karim
This gives me an idea...
- Adrian
Beautiful!
- Dimitrios Diamantaras
karim, cool!
- edythe
cool!
- Mycaptain
This is so beautiful!
- Shannon
An excellent use of GPS and your family - http://www.inquisitr.com/25841...
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How to Teach Yourself Restraint - Peter Bregman - HarvardBusiness.org - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/bregman...
ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ, Mona Nomura, Victor Ganata and 3 other people liked this
"We face two challenges as we try to manage our behavior: the challenge of initiative (exercise, make one more sales phone call, work another hour on that presentation, write that proposal) and the challenge of restraint (don't eat that cookie, don't speak so much in that meeting, don't yell back, don't solve your employee's problem for him). If we're good at the challenge of initiative it means we're good at applying ourselves, at focusing, at breaking through resistance using sheer willpower. In other words, we're good at avoiding distraction."
- Meryn Stol
from Bookmarklet
Hmm on second thought, I don't like the article so much. Except for his distinction between "initiative" and "restraint".
- Meryn Stol
trying.... not to.... comment... damn!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
lol, good summary of the article ;)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn. That is hilarious that you post first, then read through (or perhaps re-read) then amend opinion...all in real-time! Love it!
- Alan Edgett
Reminds me of a quote from somewhere: "To oppose something is to maintain it."
- Victor Ganata
Kiva Brings Microlending Home To U.S. Entrepreneurs In Need - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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The Lie of Community - http://learntoduck.com/communi...
Ric Johnson, Nelson Fernandez, Jannifer @wordsforliving and 4 other people liked this
Kind of related: http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/
- Andy Bold
THE COMMUNITY IS A CAKE.. Errrr....
- Andy Dustman
.@chrismessina awesome to see your post at the very top of techmeme this morning, is a good post re facebook & identity
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Attractiveness : # of Piercings
Hutch Carpenter, Alan Edgett, Adam Morris and 22 other people liked this
Not sure I agree with the bump around 8-10.
- Paul
I think the tattoo graph would look similar but with fewer oscillations.
- Kevin Fox
Except it should start at 1 and then go straight down at 2 and then go negative.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That's the guy chart, Akiva.
- Kevin Fox
Oh come on Akiva, it's easy to get the numbers up quickly... a few in the ears, navel, eyebrow, privates perhaps. If selective and tasteful, no biggie.
- LogEx
If I could rewrite the chart, it would look like this --> \
- Tamar Weinberg
2 in ears. Nice. 1 in belly. Cool. 1 in nose - depends. Any more ... and that line turns into a bad Sutherland/Bacon movie.
- AJ Kohn
I'm a traditionalist. I'm also old fashioned. I don't like piercings. Ear and nose are pretty cute. And I've seen a rare girl be able to pull off an eyebrow piercing (if you know what I mean). But nipples? Labia? Belly button? And, the worst common one: labret? [shudder] And don't even get me started on cheek piercings, piercings that are along the shoulder blades, etc. Oof nasty.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Uh-oh, Akiva, we have a problem here!
- joey
Akiva can you explain the traditionalist/old-fashioned part? Is it a religion thing? I've heard people say that before (about tattoos too) and it's always confused me since people have been poking holes in their faces for ages.
- Admiral Anika
I don't mind most piercings. I think tattoos are generally fine as well. I raise my eyebrows at body art that seems designed to destroy job seeking ability (facial/neck tats, gigantic facial piercings, etc), but I don't find them all unattractive.
- Internet's Tad
I have to admit, I get a little queasy about piercings that penetrate into mucous membranes, or otherwise create potential for leakage.
- LogEx
Anika, absolutely not. I just think it's unattractive for the most part. I feel the same way about tattoos. I have seen too many beautiful girls ruined by them.
- Akiva Moskovitz
joey, we've always had a problem! And, for the record, there are exceptions to every rule, including this one.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I see.
- Admiral Anika
I'm not sure about that bump at 8 - 10, or the dip around 5. I'm not sure my husband has counted my ear piercings lately.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Akiva, that's true ;)
- joey
I am in the one and done crowd too
- Andrew Leyden
For me, it really depends on the person and the piercing, but I'm generally more for minimalism. I have my ears pierced (but almost never wear earrings) along with my navel and I've wanted to get another for a while but I can't think of anywhere I'd actually want to have it.
- joey
Honey, the dip isn't around 5. It's a logarithmic scale! ... Honey?
- Kevin Fox
Ooh Kevin, good save :)
- LogEx
sure sure!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Akiva, I had to look up the word 'labret'. At some point when I was a teenager, I thought it would be cool to get a small bar piercing through the skin at the back of my neck that would only be visible if my hair were in a ponytail.
- Jess Lee
I'll interpret: Some girls, most girls, that girl from the mall, suicidegirls.com, Coney Island side show.
- Ryan Kaisoglus
I usually don't like having the attribution at the *end* of the comment, but reading that last comment I was like. yes.. yes.. right. yup. totally. exactly! I need to show this analysis to Ryan! OH.
- Kevin Fox
Ryan understands this because he and I came up with this chart while people-watching at the Sunnyvale Art and Wine festival last weekend. This was right before some guy tried to sell us Ukrainian brides. Seriously.
- Kevin Fox
I don't mind , the traditional ears and and maybe one in the nose or somewhere else. Its when it looks like the person mistook themselves for a pin cushion that I draw the line
- Kim Landwehr
Jess, that reminds me: there is a huge exception to my opinion on this subject: the industrial. A friend of mine in Chicago during the WaxTrax! days had one and I wanted one too. I can't imagine having one now that I'm a cynical, bitter, hateful, spiteful, yet somehow astonishingly adorable old man, of course.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva: I agree with Anika, "traditionalist" is the wrong word to use here, since I'd venture to say that probably most human traditions have included some form of body modification art, and usually some form of piercing...maybe you meant to say "conservative"? ;-)
- Louis Simoneau
No, Louis, I did not. I meant traditionalist. Just because some cultures and traditions have included piercings and tattoos doesn't mean that all do. How can I possibly be a traditionalist of a culture or tradition of which I have no connection to? Furthermore, just because some traditions and cultures at one time promoted a certain activity doesn't mean they do so now. Times change.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I agree with Tamar.
- Rochelle
Akiva, I'm just joking around. But wouldn't that last thing you said mean that those cultures or traditions are being the opposite of traditionalist....if they're "changing with the times" aren't they being modern, or progressive?
- Louis Simoneau
for me, I have my ears pierced, a nose piercing that's barely visible and a belly button piercing that no one sees except the closest people to me. I wouldn't want to do more. they're all special to me but I really dont think I can pull of other piercings like eyebrow etc. Some people can, and I respect them. But for the most all I see is beautiful girls that look like pin cushions. I think the dip should be around 5. and one should not have more than one piercing on their face.
- D. Eda Goze
Louis, most cultures are modern and progressive. The ones that aren't are the ones that are having the greatest struggle. I, of course, don't mean to imply that a culture must embrace modernity to survive; it's just the easier thing to do. But just because one embraces one thing, doesn't mean that all should be embraced. It's a slippery slope. I'm very progressive on some things (gay marriage) and very traditionalist on others (piercings). You choose your battles.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Personally, I'm fine with girls with pierced ears,but that's it. I don't find anything attractive, and I've never gotten any myself Of course, people that have them do it for their own reasons though!
- Ian May
It mainly depends where are those piercing, not just how many there are of them.
- Andrea Privitera
Mark Wilson, mjc, Amy℠ and 56 other people liked this
Amen to that!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
music to my ears
- Alfredo
My deadlines are equipped with stealth paint and stealth exhaust.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yup!
- JA Castillo
Perfect! I just sent this to my boss (I kid you not!) - heee!
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
Ultimate like - my favorite quote
- Michelle Darnell
6 Real Islands Way More Terrifying Than The One On 'Lost' - http://www.cracked.com/article...
Alan Edgett, Wirehead, Harold and 4 other people liked this
In which my cancer said "Ow" - http://www.drewolanoff.com/post...
Alan Edgett, Carlos Gustavo Xavier, Jesse Stay and 2 other people liked this
If companies are interested in working with me on http://blamedrewscancer.com/ drop me an email drdrew@gmail.com
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Just giving this a bump. :-) I #blamedrewscancer for the bloody sidewall of my Michelin blowing out.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
10 People To Follow On FriendFeed For May 2009 - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Susan Beebe, Anthony K. Valley ©, Rob Diana and 62 other people liked this
Highlighted are: 1) Mark Evans http://friendfeed.com/markeva... 2) Sheryl Breuker http://friendfeed.com/sherylb... 3) Thomas Power http://friendfeed.com/thomasp... 4) Rochelle http://friendfeed.com/rochell... 5) Bill Romanos http://friendfeed.com/billrom... 6) Anika Malone http://friendfeed.com/fabooma... 7) Rick Bucich http://friendfeed.com/webtwop... 8) Anne Bouey http://friendfeed.com/abouey 9) John Bredehoft http://friendfeed.com/empopri... 10) Rachel Fox http://friendfeed.com/phoenix
- Louis Gray
i like the 'placeholder' technique...learn something new on friendfeed everyday
- Kevin Pruett
Wow, thanks! :D
- Rochelle
I like how when Rochelle gets mentioned, she gets 100 subscribers. I got mentioned and I got 10.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Maybe the other 90 were already subscribed, Akiva?
- Louis Gray
Holy cow, thank you, Louis. What a wonderful surprise.
- Mark Evans
Uh-oh, my secret is out! Oh, well...thanks for the recommendation, Louis! I'm honored to be amongst such great company.
- Anne Bouey
Louis, most likely they were overwhelmed by the awesome and felt unworthy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks Louis! You are awesome as usual! It was amazing, I was gone all day at Maker Faire, not on FriendFeed at all except quickly in the morning, and I come back to find this and a large number of new subscriptions! Amazing day, both because of Maker Faire and this! :)
- Rachel Lea Fox
Akiva: lol I think the difference is in avitars :-)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Well I am somewhere between Akiva and Rochelle for new followers. :) Was quite interesting and I think it could be used in analytics for true proof of influence. What do you think? Thanks again, Louis. What a lovely surprise!
- Sheryl
Another great list of people to follow!
- Michael Fidler
4) Rochelle and 6) Anika Malone, in particular would be in most users definition of a FF "A List"
- RAPatton
#9 John Bredehoft is a truly loyal and rabid FFundercats fan. Glad he's getting props today. Love the others too.
- Josh Haley
What happened to sharonmcp?
- John Apps
Bloggers Embark on the USS Nimitz, Part 3
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As A Happy iPhone User, I Have Zero Interest In A Palm Pre - http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...
Daniel Rowley, Sardar Mohkim Khan, Johnny and 44 other people liked this
Thinking the same thing the other day - so many apps already out for iPhone that the Pre will have to catch up to.
- Wayne Schulz
I'm happy with the iPhone, but I have some interest in the Pre. If it lives up to the hype, it will only force Apple to make their product better.
- Jed
"or Steve Jobs’ salary divided by zero which is still zero." fail @ math
- Angus Burton
Another happy iPhone owner and ex Sprint customer here. Couldn't agree more.
- Marty McPadden
from BuddyFeed
I'm interested in it, but feel the app ecosystem on the iPhone has created a powerful lockin based on software - something unprecedented in the mobilespace. Next up is hardware lockin with the APIs for exposing the dock connector and Bluetooth to accessories. It's more than just a phone.
- Jamie
I feel the same way. Had they come to market around the same time iPhone did, maybe I would feel different. But let's face it, it's a 'hopeful' me-too rip-off product minus the payoff.
- Dean Kakridas
Competition makes smart phones better,I'd love to see some real iPhone competitors.
- Steve Chou
Louis with my smartphone I can play music through my Bluetooth stereo headphones, run my turn-by-turn navigation, receive a call and open a spreadsheet, all at the same time.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
As an unhappy Razr owner, I have a lot of interest in a Palm Pre. I would be equally happy with an iPhone if AT&T's service wasnt so poor in my area.
- Ron Wening
I do. AT&T has been sucking ass in my area lately. The Palm Pre's processor, development using HTML/Javascript/CSS, and multitasking with cards intrigues me. My current 1st gen iPhone is broke. My contract ends in July. That said, it's hard to deny the App Store and the option of using future devices by swapping out the SIM card. Most likely, I'll grab the Pre on launch day, try it out...
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- Rodfather
happy iphone user and no interest in pre.
- Kiran Patchigolla
I've been carrier free for three months --- waiting for the Pre and at the same time wondering out loud if I should jump the gun and get an iPhone. The wait is almost over, we'll soon have reviews of both the new iPhone and Pre. I'm hoping the Pre is the winner.
- Mark Evans
I can't help but have interest in the Pre.. I'm a gadget lover
- Bwana ☠
They better send me one to review or I'll go on a hunger strike
- Bwana ☠
For 3 hours
- Bwana ☠
I also have no interest in the Pre. I was with Sprint and they have horrible Customer Service. They even charged me $750 early term fee that I happily paid when switching to AT&T which has better coverage and far superior customer service.
- Corey Harris
Not zero interest, any new phone would have to signifigantly better to be worth the hassle of changing.
- Robert Hafer
As a happy S60 user, I have zero interest in iPhone or Pre.
- dthree
Corey, I found AT&T's customer service to be horrible. That, plus the fact that I despise iTunes, made an Android-running handset with T-Mobile an easy decision.
- Christopher A Carr
My 15-yr old daughter has a Palm Centro and loves it. It works for me, too, because she isn't at a point where she needs all the iPhone apps. However, by the time her next upgrade comes, the Pre may be an option she decides to take...
- Karoli
WebOS's elegant app switching is certainly intriguing.
- Christopher A Carr
Everyone has zero interest in the Pre
- DarknessFalls
I am also not interested in the Palm Pre, for the Pre gives me that feeling that the App store for it will be severely lacking, like the Android Market. The iPhone is all that I need, but the plans are outrageous in Canada, 60 dollars a month just for 500MB of data.
- Zachary TG
the CDMA Pre will probably have the best browser experience due to its great network speed, but you can't take it overseas so that's a big limitation
- Brian Hendrickson
Zachary, the Android Market isn't all *that* lacking at this point...
- Christopher A Carr
really? We're criticizing an app store for a device that hasn't even launched yet because it will be lacking?
- Richard Lawler
As a happy Android User I have ZERO interest in any other type phone, im happy to see android keep evolving ;)
- Kyle Weller
I'm happy to see people comment that use Android, Nokia and etc. instead of just Apple fan boys. As a Blackberry user (on Sprint) I'm looking forward to the news about the Pre. I won't switch to it because I don't have the patience anymore to be an early adopter. Competition will bring out the best in the smart phone market. I really enjoy my Blackberry and it would take some soul searching for me to use anything else.
- Vaughn
I'm interested just because the AT&T Service is HORRIBLE in my area. (Chicago) My friend who works for AT&T says the Chicago tower network is at or near capacity. Dropped calls, lots of dead zones. I'm looking for a decent competitor so I can move away. I love the iPhone to death. But none of the features it has are as necessary to me as the ability to make a phone call. I can live...
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- Jeff Smith
No interest in a Palm Pre
- Johnny
Very happy with my iphone, it would take a lot for me to change to anything else, Don't think the Pre has what it takes! At&t service has been good in my area, maybe due to the fact I live in SD, I don't know. I have only had 1 of my calls dropped and that was on a train ride through hilly terrain.
- Brian
I've started hating cross posting. I'm now reading Twitter, friendfeed, Facebook and keep seeing the same content in all three. Discuss:
Voyagerfan5761, Rafiq Phillips, Rui Pereira and 90 other people liked this
I'm starting to think it's a very lame practice. Although I still post some things from friendfeed to Twitter, like this one.
- Robert Scoble
RT @scobleizer is tired of cross posting. Let's talk about this over on Facebook. Someone set up a Twine too.
- Internet's Tad
maybe you should use Yahoo! Pipes to filter duplicates, @scobleizer?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
But that's because Twitter is lame for discussions. Facebook and friendfeed are better to have conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Prolific: doing that in the context of Seesmic Desktop, Nambu, or TweetDeck isn't doable.
- Robert Scoble
cross-posting isn't nearly as bad as retweeting. at least cross-posting is in different systems.
- Andy Bakun
I cc to twitter but I have stopped auto posting to facebook...starts feeling spammy on FB
- Gary Gannon
Andy: hmm, I sort of like RT'ing. I find a lot of cool stuff that way.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree... this is a big problem with the different solutions and different mechanisms for sharing the information you post. There needs to be a tool that « aggregates» them into one unique post and just lists the places it has appeared...
- Thomas V. Fischer
Gary: I have stopped auto posting into Facebook as well (I only turned it on for a day or two and got a lot of complaints).
- Robert Scoble
I feel the same way some times but I'm sure nothing on your level - most of my friends are clueless to this sort of thing.
- Robert Freeze
I do have a system to filter my Facebook notifications and email the result to my mobile device, @scobleizer; works brilliantly
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
At what point does it become cross posting? Wordpress+Twitter? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed+Facebook?
- Ken Sheppardson
It's difficult because if you're like me when you feel the urge to share you want to reach the most people possible. To do that for me means cross posting. The problem is, while you certainly reach more people you're definitely hitting some people multiple times. I think most people accept that this happens and simply ignore the extra times. Kind of go with the first time they saw it. I do think it used to annoy me more. Now I simply edit it in my brain.
- Sheryl
The neat thing about Facebook is because I haven't posted much there I haven't gotten people to unsubscribe the way that I have over in Twitter (many of the A listers have dropped me because I posted too often there -- I think that's also behind why I didn't get added to Twitter's recommended follower list, other than I talk about friendfeed so often there).
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to have to say that I prefer you to add something less perfunctory than "Discuss:" If you're posting from here to Twitter you could add a "Let's discuss this" quite easily. As to the question cross-posting has it's merits because there is only a partial (in my case small) overlap between the different sets of people.
- WorldofHiglet
Sheryl: it's interesting, though. I do want to have a system that says "show me this person only on Twitter." Actually this is sort of what I'm doing with Seesmic Desktop: I'm building lists that suck certain people into the list so I can follow certain people well without seeing their duplication.
- Robert Scoble
I love that every time I share an item on my google reader, it is posted to my friend feed and my facebook.. Why I love this is because I have completely different circles on FB and FF.
- Sabika
WorldofHIglet: I tried to add "please" but I did not have enough characters. Twitter forces me to stick with 140 characters or less.
- Robert Scoble
Except you posted this to Twitter from FriendFeed! But yes, it can be annoying. We want to get content out there,yet not be spammy. So how do we do it.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Sabika: Google Reader I can understand going to both of these places. Twitter less so.
- Robert Scoble
could the folks a friend feed or seemic think of a way to integrate or merge the cross posts...perhaps sinc them somehow.
- Robert Freeze
Bob: I think that TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop are how we solve it. I'm "white listing" people into lists now to escape the duplication.
- Robert Scoble
First, how many people get ALL of your feeds? Item duplication is only a problem for those who are subscribed to multiple feeds from a person. Of the three services you mention, I isolate Facebook from most (not all) of my FriendFeed/Twitter content, and FriendFeed's block of the ff.im URL serves to reduce double posts of some items.
- John E. Bredehoft
You aren't on Twitter's recommended follow because you post FF links like a madman lol :/ Nah I dunno if you always have.
- Colin
Posting from here to FF truncates the message - the discussion will be here anyway so you haven't lost anything. But anyway, that's just me and my manners talking.
- WorldofHiglet
Another problem. Bots like TwitterFeed can result in double postings. (Hi Chris Pirillo on FaceBook.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
I completely agree but there are people who do not use all services, to send them content we use multiple sources. Not everyone is like us, using all the services.
- Veetrag
Colin: I think that's true, but it demonstrated that those recommended follower lists can be used as punishment. Oh, and does it help Twitter's content? Techcrunch has gotten very boring ever since it was added to that list. Yeah, I know Arrington now has his own Tweet account, separate of TechCrunch, but think about why that is. He doesn't want to have his business punished for saying something that Twitter doesn't like.
- Robert Scoble
Retweeting may be a cool way to find stuff, but when everyone is retweeting, it's just pollution. FF's "like" functionality is much better.
- Andy Bakun
Veetrag: that's why the Seesmic Desktop/Tweetdeck approach is probably going to be the only way to solve it.
- Robert Scoble
Andy: people get tired of me saying Friendfeed is better, but it is, so I agree with you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's funny, because I haven't been on Facebook until Tweetdeck and Seesmic Desktop added Facebook functionality so I didn't see just how many people are duplicating their content between all services.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is kind of ugly and painful to read, honestly for the kind of thread this is. Cross-posting (repeating in several arenas) is ok, but I dislike when people Tweet a link to a FriendFeed which has a link to some blog post somewhere -- it's like people are starved for us to hit every landing pad they have for a single item. That's painful and annoying.
- Gib
Ryo: I agree. Lockergnome has gotten very noisy.
- Robert Scoble
Does it seem like cross-post duplication litter is like the analog of FW: FW: FW: of the aged world of email? I've stayed away from cross-posting for the most part. But I just decided to focus on the network plugged directly into FF, so my use case is different than a good many.
- Micah Wittman
Gib: use a browser that lets you increase font size. Also, click on the time stamp to open up this dicussion into its own window.
- Robert Scoble
Gib. once it gets long it makes commenting hard to do and still keep up
- Robert Freeze
The Lockergnome coupon posts are tooo much to handle
- Gary Gannon
The recommended follow list is a mess, wrong in 1000 ways, the good thing is normal people don't worry about it, because they'll never make it.
- Colin
Robert Freeze: open friendfeed up into its own Window and then commenting and keeping up is a lot easier on a hot conversation like this one.
- Robert Scoble
There is nothing more noisy than FB IMO. If I get asked to take one more quiz.....
- David
David: I don't see quizzes in Facebook's status stream.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes, I'm using Safari and blow up the font size. Doesn't make it less ugly -- just bigger! :-)
- Gib
cool thanks Robert - i'll open a new window
- Robert Freeze
My little Macbook can barely handle Seesmic Desktop for some reason, it freezes in the middle of typing a tweet one or two times.
- Colin
Robert, I think you've finally reached the point where too many people follow you: just one entry like this produces as much traffic as all the people I used to follow on Twitter. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Own window? Use an SSB like Fluid http://fluidapp.com/
- Liviu Barbat
Ken: heheh. Wait until the real celebrities figure this out. Imagine Eminem doing a live chat with his fans.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: how do you turn that stuff off?
- David
David: turn what stuff off?
- Robert Scoble
This is the midnight hour thread that Scoble starts, I love it. Nothing more interesting in the world is going on at this time!
- Colin
Eminem's FF page would be filled with "fsck the free world" and such
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Ken: what's even cooler is I'm following every single person on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
your the man Robert... this thread proves that friend feed is way better than twitter.
- Robert Freeze
Prolific: yeah, but you think my items move fast? Wait until Eminem gets here. Then you'll see tens of thousands of people join in one item.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: sssshhhh, keep it quiet for a while longer. Let's enjoy this short period in time before the masses arrive.
- Robert Scoble
i doubt he can type fast enough
- Robert Freeze
Or read/think fast enough.
- Colin
I guess I'm asking how I decrease the noise on FB. A little off topic but....
- David
Robert: he doesn't need to type. You can do live video here, too, and watch the text chat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: FYI, You can do the list thing on tweetdeck too. I have lists on both seesmic and tweetdeck. :) It does help, but honestly you miss some. I know because my lists are MUCH smaller than yours and I still miss and wind up with multiple posting. I really think at some point the size of the stream is just simply too large to do it all right. I worry about ticking off several hundred....
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- Sheryl
he'll just invent other aliases to do his typing for him :)
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
is FF planning on letting us share friend lists?
- Gary Gannon
David: hmm, I am using Seesmic Desktop with Facebook and I don't have much noise there (in the status updates). Of course I was very lucky. I filled up my 5,000 friends with pretty quiet people.
- Robert Scoble
5000 friends...is there a limit?
- Robert Freeze
Sheryl: yeah, and what's worse about lists is they don't move from computer to computer.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: yes. Facebook can only have 5,000 friends.
- Robert Scoble
on Facebook? yes, that's the limit, @robfreeze
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Robert: I have 5,400 people waiting to be my friend over there. That's why I ignored Facebook for the past year and took to friendfeed (no limits here).
- Robert Scoble
By the way, the conversations are BY FAR better here than on Twitter or Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't have enough friends on facebook to worry.
- Robert Freeze
My real life friends all noticed the day I installed the Twitter application -- they all started saying, "Wow you're on FB a lot!" because all the texts to Twitter went into FaceBook. Now I have friends who have joined Twitter because everyone else is and I have to say I enjoy seeing their Tweets less because I see it all on FaceBook and vice-versa.
- Gib
Robert: Ah! But private messaging on FB rocks! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: it rocks more here in friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
If everyone used the same service this wouldn't be an issue. Will things ever settle or are we bound to a constantly evaluating new services?
- Ryan Stanley
Yes, Ryan. Another day, another service.
- Gib
I don't have many friends on FB either but the ones I do have are always taking quizzes and playing games and I see that in my feed. I like FF much better.
- David
Gib, the Cleaner FriendFeed userstyle is an option. See my latest comment on it http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - if you're familiar with CSS you can make you're own adjustments. It will work on Safari with GreaseKit installed http://8-p.info/greasekit/ - just shout out if you need tips setting it up.
- Micah Wittman
settling is not any fun - it's the innovation that gets me excited.
- Robert Freeze
Ryan: I seriously doubt everyone will switch to using one service. If anything something like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop will make it all look like one service to their users.
- Robert Scoble
That's what I'm waiting for. One app that does it all!
- David
The app's dev team would have to constantly studying everyone tom dick and harry's latest API changelog. And that doesn't even address all the third party modules for the app.
- Ryan Stanley
David: the problem is that all three services are innovating too, and I doubt that all those innovations will be shared immediately by services like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop. Heck, how many of those support friendfeed so far?
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed to Facebook status-update is definitely lame. FriendFeed to FriendFeed-application post on Facebook seems fine to me. You can hide someone's FriendFeed-application posts on Facebook if you don't want to see them, but the only way to hide status updates is to hide that person altogether.
- Edward Coffey
Eventbox pulls a lot of goodies in. I just don't dig it too much for some reason.
- Gib
At some point all integral tech settles, and then becomes eligible for mass adoption.
- Ryan Stanley
Robert: I have never had a private message on FriendFeed other than Ken! :)
- Sheryl
I agree cross-posting is lame. But Robert, I've seen your intake rig: you're hard-core. You are all the places that my fragmented audience would be. It's no wonder you see stuff so many times.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Man I like Friend Feed.
- Robert Freeze
Robert: Twhirl supports FF. Why not Seesmic desktop?
- David
Sheryl: I'll send you one. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
FF FTW!
- Ryan Stanley
David: Loic promised friendfeed support in a future version of Seesmic Desktop. It's the poor child of the three because it has the fewest users, so it's easily ignored by these app developers.
- Robert Scoble
I see
- David
I tried starting a FriendFeed iphone app twice last week, but ended up working on Twitter ones again instead.
- Colin
Sheryl: DM's rock here because we can go back and forth "live" just like we are here. On Facebook? Um No. On Twitter? Um No.
- Robert Scoble
The constant evaluation of different services is kind of frustrating. I keep thinking I'll find a good use for twitter and I sort of get close and then it fails for me again. Friendfeed just seems to be better in so many ways. And Facebook seems great for very personal connections but, casual internet conversations, Friendfeed really seems like the answer.
- Steve McLelland
It's only this way because people have not realized it's potential...I use to think Friend Feed was a twitter want-a-be... boy was I wrong
- Robert Freeze
Colin: you should do a friendfeed one that adds some cool feature like location. Kick Twinkle's ass.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not a fan of cross posting. I define what I am to use each service for and try to keep the content unique to each one, Tumblr for iPhone pics, FB for friends and Family stuff, Twitter for my geek stuff, BK for pics of location, etc etc etc...
- Andrew Acomb
Twinkle? Is that for FriendFeed?
- Colin
Robert: and you haven't even discovered friendfeed's search, or its groups.
- Robert Scoble
Never heard of it, I downloaded "MotherFeed", and tried, "BuddyFeed"
- Colin
Colin: no, that's an iPhone app for Twitter that also tracks location.
- Robert Scoble
What about the new WebOS for Palm. Will there be a FF app for that???
- David
kind of funny that the poor child with the fewest users has the most robust convos
- Gary Gannon
In your opinion Robert, what is lacking most on the iphone for FriendFeed? Real-time commenting?
- Colin
funny that all the other service are copying FF
- Andrew Acomb
Robert - yah I have and I love it - If I was not married I would be seducing it now.
- Robert Freeze
Gary: friendfeed is growing very fast. It might not be the poor step child for long.
- Robert Scoble
David: I sure hope Palm will figure out how to get friendfeed support. It has Facebook support built into its contact list, though.
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait for the Pre (not to get off topic again)
- David
It would really help if FriendFeed could find a way to identify reposts across different services and group them together under a drop down item (or something like that). Didn't the old version of FriendFeed do that?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul: the new one does too, but it doesn't always catch the reposts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: isn't that a big reason to cross post? FB support but no FF support in the case of a smart phone OS.
- David
Robert: You can do live video in FriendFeed? How?
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn: I use Kyte.tv. It kicks off a discussion in friendfeed. Everyone can watch live and comment on both Kyte or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
They can watch it right in FF?
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn, no, gotta click a link, open a new browser window.
- Robert Scoble
is that better than ustream's chat and social media integration (I've only tried twitter there and the native chat)?
- Gib
People like us read all three. Most people read just one.
- Mike Abundo
Gib: I think so. Here's an example: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks, I am going to be checking that out:)
- Shawn Hickman
Stuart: I'm not. I was noticing that a very large percentage of the people I read on all these services ARE cross posting.
- Robert Scoble
That's a major reason I stopped following Lockergnome, just got annoying
- Andrew Acomb
Robert, perhaps you should do a post on your blog about how to avoid cross posting.
- Robert Freeze
I started cross posting just because I thought it was cool that I could. But now I see the point.
- David
I have started to just post to FF which then sends it out to Twitter. I guess that is cross posting.
- Shawn Hickman
Robert: you can't avoid it. Unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
Scobes: I annoyed myself on Friday. Stopped pushing my FF to facebook. I'll just be loud in person.
- Kevin Murray
perhaps a cross posting best practices...
- Robert Freeze
I just cross posted this manually over on Facebook. It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes over from Facebook. I've found that engagement is a lot lower there than it is on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Stuart, that is what I like most about FF. It's a great hub for your things
- Shawn Hickman
my project tomorrow is to write it all down and figure out how to best prevent this... The issue I have is I want what I post in twitter to go out on Facebook... but I don't want everything I put on Facebook to go to twitter... both end up here... I am sure a solution is right under my nose but I just started using FriendFeed seriously two days ago so I am still learning all it's capabilities. Any suggestions? And Scoble, did you still want to chat?
- Sid Burgess
Sid: lets chat tomorrow. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
sorry to ask something off topic but is there a way to do a date range search on FF?
- Gary Gannon
One question I kept asking myself was whether I wanted to follow someone on twitter whom I was already subscribed to on FF. I've decided no.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
didnt hate it till i started using seesmic desktop more :) now i want to stop feeding twitter into facebook
- sean percival
While this is annoying for those who use multiple services, I think we're some time away before it becomes a problem for most folks. On the list of things to fix about these services, this is low priority. Smart filtering tools will sort this out, helped by more centralized control for users on where things go out.
- Brad_King
Agree - personally, I no longer "auto post" twitter and Facebook. As to friendfeed, I am watching it but not really using it as "central"
- Mick Yates
the reason why i can't avoid cross posting is that i know people who follows twitter+ff+fb, but also people who is only on fb, or twitter, and i'd like all of them to be able to read what i'm talking about...
- Ivy /composmentis
Micah: Installed SIMBL & GreaseKit but haven't seen anything to make FriendFeed less ugly. Do I need a script?
- Gib
Gary: I don't know how to do a date-range limited search in friendfeed. There's a lot of stuff still missing in the search features here.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert...night all
- Gary Gannon
WOW!!! Check this google search out... this conversation comes up...
- Andrew Acomb
Sorta fast, not bad.
- Colin
Andrew: wow, Google is going real time!
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is twisting their arm...
- Andrew Acomb
I like how it showed up from Scoble and Loic in the sub-result
- Colin
Andrew, thanks, I just Tweeted that Google search.
- Robert Scoble
I never, ever crosspost to FB. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is that my mother doesn't need to read all the geek stuff I post :) I wish folks would stop sending Twitter to FB, too
- Karoli
Interesting, then we'll no longer need gmail ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
what's what's what's to to to discuss discuss discuss ? ? ?
- Ted Russ
Just realized that my comments were being sent to twitter as well. Oops, just turned that off:)
- Shawn Hickman
It's about time you realized that. I always disliked those Friendfeed -> Twitter reposts.
- Morton Fox
Ted: nothing nothing nothing, go go go on on on with with with your your your lives lives lives.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: THOSE I am not going to stop.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: but I scientifically am engineering each one to start a conversation now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I do enjoy sending my "likes" to twitter though
- Shawn Hickman
Chacun a son gout! I find twitter is a good place to park a thought in public. I know people who read my twitter posts who will never join facebook and vice versa. Many's the time when a twitter post has sparked off a really good conversation in facebook.
- Nic Price
Robert: sorry about the delay coming back.. I was reading the bazzilion comments here!!! Man, this place is much different than twitter or Facebook... very fast paced.
- Sid Burgess
Sid: it's only occassionally like this here. Most of the time items don't get any engagement.
- Robert Scoble
while it goes with the territory i understand cross posting for many is necessary since it is reaching different audiences. it's the nature of the infrastructures. however, friendfeed's detection of similar content and providing a nested link may be on to something. grouping up related topics by the same poster across platforms may help filter much of the redundancy. having them nested...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
There's no hard and fast rule for reposting, it depends on your twitter audience and what you want to achieve. It's an option, after all.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Back to the topic... what about a greasemonkey script to cut out duplicates? It wont be helpful for everyone but it eliminates the issue of the platforms adapting and solves the issue at the end user.
- Sid Burgess
Sid: that's above my pay grade.
- Robert Scoble
Gib, grab the userscript here: http://userstyles.org/styles... but make sure you use the "Load as user script" button (can't be a user style, need to be a user script for GreaseKit). It's a distinctive look, I actually prefer the native FF design most of the time, but the comment highlighting alone is worth the price of admission. Anyway, you can customize it from there.
- Micah Wittman
Robert, ouch ;)
- Micah Wittman
also, I find the conversations take on different tones depending on which service/site they're happening on - depending on levels of familiarity etc.
- Nic Price
sorry, another question: Is there a keyboard shortcut for commenting? I am too lazy to want to have to scroll up every time I see someone say something I want to "opinionate" on. :) Where is my easy button? ;)
- Sid Burgess
perhaps i'm biased but i've never invested much on greasemonkey since -as far as i understand it- it only affects locally, client-side & does not reflect what others would typically see. it's more of a local solution to a more widely distributed problem.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
cutting out the duplicates wouldn't work because the posts may trigger different conversations in each place - merging them together might make nonsense of the flow
- Nic Price
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq: But isn't that Robert's issue? I guess that begs the question, if someone cross posts in the forest and Robert Scoble never saw it, did it actually happen? I like the user end solution because if it bothers you, in 15 seconds you could (theoretically) make it go away. If you don't mind, you don't install the script. I have a few scripts that I enjoy using so I am biased toward them.
- Sid Burgess
Yes, cutting dups with a client-side script would be difficult because of realtime updates bubbling posts up to the top.
- Micah Wittman
Sid, no easy button, but you can use my script that adds a Comment and Like links to the bottom of a thread http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
sid: i suppose what i'm arguing for is more of a universal solution that does not require installing yet another script. it's something that other users may come across that could havea more elegant solution. don't get me wrong, i'm all for mods, hacks, and scripts but i think that problems like that can be better solved in broader strokes -more utility for more users with the least effort.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
just realised I followed Robert's link here from twitter!
- Nic Price
It doesn't deal with dups, but here's a user script you can use to filter out (hide) @-replies and/or posts with a list of stop words you can define http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Nic Price: I'm not talking about cutting out duplicates, just grouping them together so they don't clutter up the stream like a Twitter conversation. FriendFeed could take the first instance of the content item to enter the stream and designate it as the lead item. All the subsequent posts could be added to it under a drop down arrow. You can comment on any of them but at least group them together, tidy the stream.
- Paul Jacobson
Micah: Thanks for the scripts! Ahhh, my easy button works!
- Sid Burgess
Maybe this is only an issue for power users. I can't see casual followers on any single system being hit with the realization what they've read is showing up in all the places they read. They just aren't as nuts about all this as we are and maybe that's a good thing.
- Jack Humphrey
Blackfeathers: I completely understand what you are hoping for... I just don't believe it will ever happen unless all social media platforms start using one single unified stream or code (like html is for the internet)
- Sid Burgess
sid: perhaps this whole ghoulash of stuff will eventually boil down into more internet standards that will some day work. granted companies by nature will have proprietary technologies and core competencies, but a level of workability across platforms may be necessary. the momentum has gradually started with efforts towards openid, facebook connect, and the like. it may be the beginning...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Paul Jacobson: agreed, the grouping of conversations sounds good. I guess there's also the issue about permissions and conversations happening in public vs private.
- Nic Price
I setup as "main entrance" of posting FF where import also RSS from blog, public Delicious, and Shared from GReader, then via yahoo pipe I setup an rss for import ((My FF stream) + (My FFlikes)) into Facebook notes... then i read on TW, FF and GReader, but post only on FF... seems perfect except for the pain of notes import on Facebook that is awful and buggy :(
- CantorJF
Someone once told me - it's not who follows you, it's who you follow. Hence, I follow different people on my regularly visited platforms so I don't have a cross posting problem. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I am going to have to reread your comment again in the morning when I can process it better... it sounds interesting. I have often wondered about setting up a "mother pipe of all yahoo pipes" which would allow me to post content into a field on a form. The content would then go do it's thing and not duplicate and the replies or feedback from the post would come back to a simple thread (like this one) and the process could start all over.
- Sid Burgess
It seems that it would be immensely valuable to so many people who use social media as tool for their business.
- Sid Burgess
@Mona Nomura: what if a person you follow on twitter, and you don't follow on ff, starts on ff a conversation about something posted on twitter?
- Ivy /composmentis
Nic Price: I am sure the gurus behind the scenes can figure all that stuff out.
- Paul Jacobson
Ivy /composmentis - my head just exploded.
- Mona Nomura
just thinking out loud. an open source laconica-style interface with threaded discussions seems like one possible way. each user can be on separate services. but unlike info silos, everybody can get up to speed in a single-threaded discussion -similar to blind carbon copy emails. if anything happens it might involve an infrastructure change in transparency. at the granular level, much of the temporal mechanics can be learned & carry over from tcp/ip defragmenting of packets...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Blackfeathers: so in essence you are saying I can have my cake and eat it?
- Sid Burgess
Yup...see the same thing, and don't like that I inadvertently spam my followers/friends.
- Carlton Hackett
Sid, you're welcome.
- Micah Wittman
sid: just seeing a possible outcome. it can be like a light at the end of a very long tunnel. users would have to change over time and realize what's going on. 'twitter++' could require funneling & processing the twitter stream (as friendfeed and other services are doing but with more sophistication). this would mute out its own direct usefulness as a single entity for a next higher...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Totally agree: Especially the thing that some people do: Syncing their Twitter feed to Facebook. To me, Twitter is for conversations, Facebook for status messages and more general "What am I doing".
- Oyvind Solstad
I used to keep my FB seperate from Twitter and FF. Now I see all of my FF posts on my FB. But no one is to blame but myself for clicking on that "link" button. I may ''unlink" if such a thing exists.
- Carol E
Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editapp... ; From there you can edit settings to where your posts are no longer published on your FB wall, seen only by you, etc. Good luck!
- Carol E
http://friendfeed.com/setting... ; Here you can control your FF/Twitter postings.
- Carol E
I wish the aggregation services like FriendFeed were smart enough to recognize when someone is using ping (or whatever tool) to spam their stuff to every service out there when they post something and just show it to you ONCE. I really hate the cross-posting that occurs, too. It just creates so much noise. I generally unfollow/unfriend people across ALL services when they do the...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
The other problem with cross-posting, is any responses are now in separate places in separate threads of conversation.
- Christopher A. Wichura
It's interesting seeing how advanced the discussion is here. I know plenty of intelligent and net-aware people who don't even know what FF or Twitter really are yet. It's gotta be client solutions, since plenty of people already have their own mental view of what each service is for. RT is valuable, because it expands ideas across different social circles (preferably, with a comment why too). I'd love to see laconi.ca API take over as a base, but doubt it will.
- Shane Curcuru
I also hate cross-posting within Friendfeed itself, I just hate to see the same URL shared by lots of other friends. There has to be someway to globalize the links and show only the views of my friends from that.
- Jayavasanthan J
Yes I am tending to agree, its a bit strange to see the same things. The amount of original content at any one time is really not that high.
- Robert
Well, I agree. Thanks to Friendfeed though, my accounts are behaving like cross posting. Everything I do on Facebook, Digg, Youtube, Last.fm gets relaid back to FF and FF relays it back to Twitter. If I do something on Twitter, it comes to FF as well...
- Manuel Mas
Usenet groups where so much better
- Michele Costabile
Some things should be cross posted: Freedom isn't free... Honor our veterans by taking a moment to Join the Memorial Day group on facebook http://bit.ly/zngxm
- Bob Stewart
Cross posting can be annoying but as there are now so many posting platforms it seems inevitable, it is simply some peoples response to having so many similar but not identical systems. Either an ettiquette needs to be established or some way to better interconnect things like Twitter, FF, Facebook is needed
- Robert Davies
There are too many of these stupid things. Facebook's a winner and loser; it'll win "personal," lose "public" content. Twitter's a loser, too limited in uses, e.g. no real discussions. Friendfeed (or similar) will win.
- Maxwell Kennerly
this is getting annoying indeed... Ive started to use FF more than twitter now. Is there a FF blackberry app?
- Nigel Walsh
Nigel, have you tried fftogo? Not full featured, but works on ANY mobile.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
While I dislike cross posting myself I'm highly guilty of doing it. I blame the disconnected decentralized websites and mediums causing needs to do it. There is no single decentralized network message bus/format. Someone needs to sit down and write an RFC so things will continue to work years after the initial companies FAIL and we can just move on to better problems to solve instead of doing the same ones over and over.
- rob friedman
Yeah, what Rob said.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
We need a sort of Digg system that presents material based on an aggregated contact list from our different networks. It should recognize duplicate submissions and I suppose it could also rank content using exponential weighting based on the degrees of separation between viewer and submitter. If this already exists, please point me to it.
- Benjamin Winters
Each service I use has a specific purpose - I don't cross post anything :)
- Chris Saad
If each service had a specific purpose, then all these websites would stop trying to be everyone's everything online, adding new features or design tweaks that copy another site each week.
- rob friedman
@Rob those sites don't get it and will not survive. I use twitter for microblogging, I use wordpress for blogging, I use flickr for photos and video. Everything gets aggregated into FriendFeed so that people can subscribe to a singe stream. What else do I need?
- Chris Saad
Cross posting comes off like some form of Tourette's or short-term memory loss. You might understand the problem but it's still annoying.
- AJ Kohn
@chris, Well what you need is subjective. WordPress is a blog, and is trying to become a (self)hosted twitter for everyone. Flickr is just a hyper networked gallery installation. FriendFeed is a feed aggregation website, too many similar FOSS to list, special because it does HTTP long polling to the web browser client making updates seem "real" time to the user. Twitter is short, easy has feeds and works via SMS. All want to have a real time conversation or content archived on the web.
- rob friedman
I think that an other way to put the question is this: the content I create in the web is scattered everywhere and often is out of my control. In the old days of NNTP, my postings in the news where searchable and all the communication directed to me was in my inbox. Today things are disperse and aggregators, like FF create problems as they solve other problems. I think I would like to...
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- Michele Costabile
who doesn't crosspost nowadays?
- polou/indigo_bow
Crosspost is the new "forward"
- Andrea Grassi
Heh ... for us old tymers when "the Net" meant Usenet, cross-posting has some good aspects and many bad aspects.
- JoWazzoo
Drop Facebook
- Estelle Metayer
I still try to post different content, and post content relevant to the readership, you know Mashable is posting different stuffs on Facebook, Twitter (the only time crosspost with their website) and Friendfeed (some content may be similar).
- polou/indigo_bow
Cross-posting from Twitter to Friendfeed started to bug me a few weeks ago when I realized most of my tweets where of no interest to people in Friendfeed. I just realized that I can save a custom search from Twitter and use it to filter the messages that get cross-posted using a hashtag (like Selective Twitter for Facebook does). The point is: more granular control of cross-posting.
- Andrés David Aparicio
Thank http://ping.fm and talk to Chris Pirillo, it works well for him.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Seriously, folks got together on OAuth. Can they get together on a GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on messages? At least then client developers (and UI alike) could develop methods of shrinking duplicate original content.
- Jason Nunnelley
the feedalizr app removes or hides duplicates from your stream so you dont see the same Twitter and Friendfeed posts more than once www.feedalizr.com
- Rafiq Phillips
i have to say, friendfeed is actually *losing* value to me, not gaining it. if i don't put in crazy energy here, pretty much nobody likes/comments my stuff, which pretty much makes using the site a waste of time. on a "ROI of my energy" perspective, my blog, Twitter, and even IM is seems like a better use of my time...
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- Sid Burgess
Jeremy, I'm confused... are you using friendfeed for the community and experience or are you using it to dive traffic to your stuff?
- Bastard Operator From FF
@Sean - all of it. my comment is that, if i dont put in a LOT of energy, i dont feel i gain in the community/experience...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy, why do you think that is? I haven't spent a lot of energy in FF and now I'm wondering if it's worth it
- Andre P. Siregar
Jeremy: I went and looked at your page and there just isn't much that is interesting lately from you. Why the entitlement attitude to our attention?
- Robert Scoble
I often forget that while I'm following a bunch of folks, not that many are following me. So when I don't get comments or attention, I just do a mental shrug and carry on. The value in FF to me is what I learn from others. While I wish more people would interact with me on topics I introduce, that's what my blogs are for, not what I use FF for.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
@Robert who are you to tell me what is "interesting"? oh, and you've "liked" two of my things recently.
- Jeremy Toeman
Plus, your items are rarely conversational. Rarely have your personality (that I miss, by the way), rarely have images, rarely are posted from here, and show little engagement with the community.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, don't let anyone suggest you're not getting attention because of the quality of your contribution. The design was broken when they made the upgrade and the user experience for all but the most committed users has suffered. You are not alone.
- Sprague D
Jeremy, just giving you feedback about what gets engagement. Your stuff lately isn't engaging.
- Robert Scoble
I love friend feed - I see everything popping up from all my social media and I can be on top of it instantly - there's nothing that I know of that works as well as this to aggregate everything real time.
- James Stewart
Jeremy, I haven't even looked at your stuff lately (sorry), but more because I've been busy than anything else. However, you seem to be insisting upon love from strangers. Have you invited real-life friends here? Some of the most active commenters and like'ers on my stuff are those friends of mine that I know in real life, who care about me, who care about what I think, what I'm doing,...
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- Adam Lasnik
Jeremy: put this feed on your screen and compare it to yours: http://friendfeed.com/search... You'll see that there's a HUGE difference between the items you are putting in here and yours.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: what you are noticing is that in the past two weeks many thousands of new people have come in here, and have brought their feeds as well. So the bar to getting attention has gone WAY UP. It's a lot harder to get attention. The feeds are all going faster. What I'm doing now is building new searches to find good content around topics. Also, I'm building private rooms where I'm inviting my friends into have a conversation about something specific. Those are things I can't do anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, the quality of your offerings is fine -- when users complain about user experience it is often because of systemic design changes. Your note implies that FF was once more engaging for you (as it was for me) that changed with the new "real time" design that requires much greater commitment (posting, managing lists, etc.) in order to keep your stuff in front of people. It's not you, it's FriendFeed.
- Sprague D
Once again you make sense of it all, Robert.
- Chris Heath
I second that I can't believe I didnt get on this earlier - enjoying the banter :)
- James Stewart
Sprague: there are WAVES of new users coming here lately due to the easy integration from Twitter that was added a couple of weeks ago. I actually am seeing more engagement on my items. The searches here are letting me get a LOT more value out of friendfeed than before, too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're the definition of an outlier and actually proof of what I'm saying. Neither Jeremy nor I use the service the way you do and have seen our experience of it decline since the design change. As far as usage, I would love to see the reach numbers for FriendFeed going forward. I'm betting that a lot of those new people will churn because of the high barrier to engagement caused by the design.
- Sprague D
Sprague: Jeremy used to participate here a lot more and used to blog a lot more and used to post things that I cared about. Lately? I am finding him less and less interesting. I expected that, actually, he has a new baby. Watch how my usage here goes way down in September when Scobleizer 3.0 arrives.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Friend Feed for keeping you own personal network up dated and following its great I never really log into my twitter anymore I can hanlde everything from Friend Feed and My Cell Phone even from all the way over here in Australia... Its handy...
- Chris Henderson
You and Jeremy almost have a point, Sprague, but Twitter? Give me a break. It's noiser and noiser and all of my friends are saying they are getting less and less engagement there.
- Robert Scoble
How do you get people away from Facebook & on here though?
- Jason Hansen
Wow I see the FF fans are out in full force again. @Jeremy you are right to a point - Friendfeed is a lot more work since they flipped the switch on their opinion of what the real-time web is (which I wrote about here - http://bit.ly/3aDGf4 - and got equally smacked down as you are) but someone had a suggestion that I still have to play with - that being instead of concentrating on the...
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- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, you make a great point. I like FF but much of my network is on Twitter & using FF as an aggregator, it makes it hard to have conversations here when they all originate from Twitter. However, I do believe we're on the brink of change.
- Karen Swim
@Robert we almost have a point -- well that's almost a compliment! ;-) I expect that the FF boys (who are clearly brilliant programmers) will finesse the ui over time. UIs are tough. I agree Twitter is a rough place but... it's *simple*. That counts. They need to find the balance between features and ease of use.
- Sprague D
Sprague: I get more engagement on Facebook than I do on Twitter (and that's with a FAR smaller audience because Facebook limits me to 5,000 friends) and Facebook is MUCH more complicated than Twitter. I'm really getting tired of the hype of Twitter being better because it's simpler. Facebook is still growing a Twitter every six weeks. 225 million vs. 30 million for the "simpler" service.
- Robert Scoble
Robert no disrespect because you know I value what you do, but we really need to hear from people who may not have as high a profile in order to get a better sense of how everyday users are experiencing the changes to FF. Do you know how Paul and Bret are assessing that (unique users, returning users, time on site, etc.)? For example, I still rely on FF as an aggregator, but spend much less time on site.
- Sprague D
Sprague: yes, they are using focus groups (which is why they made several of the changes here) and they are watching time on site and amount of likes per person and comments per person and also are active here in many places. But they haven't shared much more about that. The thing that drags people back here is conversations on specific topics. Some of those can get hundreds or thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: There are alot of users who don't have as high profile as Robert and still find the service much more better then Twitter which is just a broadcasting service - which is getting filled with a lot of marketers/spammers which unlike Twitter are removed from here quickly. I spend more time over here then over on Twitter because I can engage with people easier via a better DM...
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- Nicholas James
Sprague, for example, Here's a list of all items that have more than 100 comments here: http://friendfeed.com/search... that list is getting more items faster now than it was three months ago.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: here's a list of all items that have gotten 100 likes or more, too: http://friendfeed.com/search... This list too is growing a lot faster today than it was three months ago. That demonstrates that a lot more people are using the service, but that it's harder to get attention.
- Robert Scoble
Just looking at the features I would easily say Friendfeed is the better place to spend my time but I find myself over at twitter more than any other place.
- Hunter
I agree with Scoble on the entitlement issue.. nothing too interesting on the page. I think friendfeeds search and real-time capabilities surpass any other social media site. Twitter has far too much noise.
- Johnny
Oh Robert, Robert, Robert yet again you are holding up how you use these social media tools and your opinions of them as being gospel. With the utmost respect - Piss Off. You are unique when it comes to social media service use. I admire all to hell your ability to process what you do during the day *but* not everyone using social media is using it for the same reasons your do or in the...
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- Steven Hodson
Hunter: that's fair. I have been on Twitter 910+ days and I spend a lot of time over there too. One thing I've noticed is that my behavior IS early adopter and IS often two years ahead of the market. I remember having these arguments with my blog's readers. They wanted to stay on the blog comments, not come over to Twitter. Now most of them have joined Twitter and are resisting coming to the new thing. I'm seeing more and more move over though.
- Robert Scoble
Hodson: what ARE you talking about? This whole feed started with a guy who was upset with a service because he is not getting the attention he wants... Are you high?
- Johnny
@Johnny you might as well be stepping into the middle of a conversation. This is something that Robert and I have been going around on for a few days now. And no I'm not high (biting tongue against snappy retort)
- Steven Hodson
@Johnny oh and by the way how was Joe's originating comment anything about not getting attention ... it was in fact just a statement about finding less value in FF because of time being required to get any value out of it.
- Steven Hodson
Johnny: Hodson is one of those people who would rather denigrate someone who is ahead of him in understanding the usage of these tools. I have had the exact same reactions from people who used to tell me that the world didn't need Mouse and Windows. True story. Then later when IM came out people told me no one would EVER have hundreds of people on their IM lists, or use it for business. Today most of my friends have that many.
- Robert Scoble
Nicholas, agree totally that FF has it all over Twitter in features. Robert, perhaps much of the issue is just caused by increased traffic but I'm not sure. I need to cut out. This has been good.
- Sprague D
Johnny: I remember when I had 1,000 friends on Twitter and my friends were giving me shit for having so many and saying that I couldn't understand the real world. Same argument as Hodson is giving me. Hodson is wrong. He'll always be wrong. He can't stand it because people DO follow us into the deep end of the pool, eventually, because, well, it's more fun there.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert. I wasn't denigrating you. But if you want to think so then fine.
- Steven Hodson
How to interest Robert Scoble: talk about him, or his ideas, or skewer a sacred cow of his. Then it will turn up in his vanity search. (Oh, let me get "Scobleizer" in there so it'll pique his interest.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: you are saying I'm unique. Actually, history has proven I am not. I'm just early. That's all. Not unique. A year from now I wish people would go back and understand this, but they never do. I've been through this before. Which is why when you tell me to piss off you are wrong and a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: go to http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- how many items there follow your advice? Not many. You are wrong and a jerk. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I meant that with all the best humor intended I'm sorry you didn't see it as such
- Steven Hodson
Robert: Glad to know we are on the same page. I have had the same problems trying to explain the usage of certain technology/tools. And you're right about people following us... Its almost frustrating to think about how many people told me time and time again how Twitter will fail and how its not for them.. where are we a few years later? They're all using it. Same with ff. :)
- Johnny
Steven: I've heard that argument before. Many times. The person saying it has ALWAYS been proven wrong. Which is why I'm telling you you're wrong. Humor is fine. Where's the smilie? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: exactly. I could wallpaper my bathroom with all the comments that I got in the early days of Twitter that said "Twitter is lame." All from guys like Hodson.
- Robert Scoble
Oops, hit enter too quickly. Seriously, though, ones objectives shouldn't be to engage only 1 reader, even one as vaunted as Scoble. It should be to first express something you feel strongly about, and hopefully engage others who are interested in what you think. But I wouldn't consider Robert's critique as near to valid, because it's a classic example of "YMMV". Different strokes, etc,...
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- TxVoodoo
shit things are heating up in here! dam you can type fast Scoble!! :-) SMILE haha
- James Stewart
James: the best class I took in college was typing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, you aren't alone in wishing that people would contribute to the conversations you try to start.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: ad hominems? Hahahahahahah. Boy, you are funny. You're the one who made a false statement.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - excuse me? But if you check you will find I have been using Twitter for almost as long as you have so don't hang the lame label on me (for that). Just as I've been using Friendfeed for as long if not longer than you.
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: life doesn't guarantee you a listener.
- Robert Scoble
Is there really a right or wrong answer here though?
- Jason Hansen
Same. That's why I couldn't help but call the guy out. Lame.
- Johnny
@Robert re: missing smiley - oppss it slid by me :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
- Steven Hodson
I reckon dude - I've been cruzing though my emails and facebook and friendfeed all arvo and watching this convo roll out has been really interesting. loved that vid of you talking about building43 and friendfeed on your fan page - just can't believe I havn't been tracking you earlier - thanks for the insights all the way to NZ :)
- James Stewart
Well, um, Jeremy, looks like you got your wish. Lots of replies here! :D
- Adam Lasnik
Robert-how about this one? http://friendfeed.com/scobles... - Not all of us feel the need to Big Brother the world about our mentions. And I'm not a jerk because I disagree with you. I've felt this for a while, feels good to speek my mind. Been around as long as you, just haven't felt world revolved around me.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: well, I am telling you that there's some lessons you guys aren't getting and you're trying to denigrate those lessons by saying I'm "unique." Sorry, the teacher is ALWAYS unique. I guarantee you that you'll be using the techniques I'm learning in friendfeed a few months from now and you'll be saying that I am right.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: what about my vanity feed? You trying to tell me you don't look to see what people are saying about you? Liar.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert if that is the case at least I'll be man enough to admit in print .. which I have done before when I have been proven wrong
- Steven Hodson
Adam: Shame they're not referring to the original topic though ;)
- Nicholas James
Oh, Robert - an opinion can't be a false statement. Don't strawman me! And how can you know if I'm lying or not? Don't project. That's libel, sir.
- TxVoodoo
Adam: this is the first engaging thing Jeremy has done since his baby was born. I miss his engaging self.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: oh give me a break. That got you one big step closer to a block since you're here just to be a troll, not for a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
one thing that does seem kind of limiting is the misinterpretation of text still on here - but it's not like you can do video. Another thing is that the amount of attention this has brought to Jeremy is huge - I wouldn't have come across him except that I saw Scoble talk at the start of this thread and wanted to see what he was on about - haha calling people a jerk is the best insult.
- James Stewart
Seriously, this is about social media, which presumes social etiquette, and ad hominems are just cheap.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo block warning #2. Don't tell me what's social etiquette. You follow your own rules, I'll follow mine.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, your original point is quite valid. To me, FF is the Usenet of the 00s - most use it to flamewar and self-promote. I rarely get value on it. I see an awful lot of bloviating & frankly, circles of backrubbing.
- TxVoodoo
Scoble, lemme get this thru your head: 1) this isn't YOUR ff. 2) I don't CARE. You have little to no impact on my existence. 3) If it makes you feel important, do it. I don't begrudge others their entertainment.
- TxVoodoo
RScoble: If I listen to others, it'd be nice for them to listen back.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
See this is the Key. People who are thinking about ROI aren't in love with what they are doing. No offense. I and about 99% of the population fall into, sadly the same category. The people like Scobleizer, who are loving what they do, are on the edge of excitement all the time. Everyone should find out what it is that makes them tick, and follow that for a career. Not preaching. More writing this for myself. You know how they say, we write in order to learn.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, yes. I find much of what goes on here to be naval gazing and beating of dead horses. Good lord, stop *talking* about social media, go and BE social with it.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you should have had a disclaimer. Your job is to build very close relationships with influencers. People like Ryan Block who used to run Engadget etc. And me, because I have a large audience. You want to have a place where you can study JUST THOSE PEOPLE. You don't care about people like TxVoodoo who has only a few readers and who doesn't even disclose his real name. So, to you, those people add noise and friction to studying the influencers you need to get your products in front of.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HER real name. And it's out there, if you look. And I don't measure my value or validate my existance by number of readers.
- TxVoodoo
For heaven's sake, my icon is of my face.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you'd rather have a dinner with Gary Shapiro, who runs CES, than talk with "normal people" like TxVoodoo. So, when you see a comment stream like this one it takes too much work. See, you can interact with people like Gary over IM, or on Twitter, where he only has a few followers, and you can lock everyone else out, but here people like TxVoodoo leak into the conversation which...
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- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Yes, I heartily agree, but for some people, like Scobleizer, Gillmor, Leo, that is their passion and job, and it has great value to the rest of us to report on weigh in on that sector of technology. But I hear what you are saying, and I think Scoble is interested in the same thing, how to apply this very technology to every kind of career and make it more fun and productive
- Stephen Pickering
OH MY Robert, you're really making yourself look dreadful. The "normal people" don't count? Who buys your services? Who hires you? Who reads your works? Way to alienate! It might not occur to you that some of us use these services for other things that aren't less valuable.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I know Jeremy. Do you? He does marketing and influencer management and PR and that kind of thing to launch new companies.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen yes - but as I say above, it doesn't pay to alienate ppl w/ less followers/readers/etc. One never knows where a jewel will come from, or a job. Y'all don't know who I am, or who I represent, or what my buying power is, right?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: You're only helping Robert prove his point by spamming this conversation.
- Johnny
Robert, do you know me? Do you know what I might do? Do you know what I might buy? Why auto kneejerk to slit your own (professional) throat, possibly inadvertantly? Social media should have value-but not only in having all the S.M. folks engage one another.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: sorry, but people like Jeremy can't engage with everyone. He is one of the world's best at figuring out who is important. Watch him work a show on behalf of a vendor. I watched him at CES. He is very adept at figuring out who the buyers are, who the press is, who has an audience, who is just there to waste his time, etc.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Don't beat up on Scobleizer, he's on yours and my side, he's saying we the people who are on the outside of the tech industry, that our voice is important too
- Stephen Pickering
TxVoodoo: you aren't a good listener.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Robert 100% on noise to value ratio with Twitter and now with FF. With your help we are experiencing it right now.
- Johnny
People like Jeremy can't or won't engage with everyone?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: I was talking about Jeremy, not you. To Jeremy you are just another shlub.
- Robert Scoble
Just another shlub, reporting for duty.
- Ken Sheppardson
MiniMage: Jeremy said exactly that above. That he isn't willing to put in the hard work participating because he gets more ROI somewhere else. I've seen how Jeremy works. He works dinners. Private emails. Phone calls. And gets to know INFLUENCERS intimately. He has won CES's best of show several times on behalf of his clients. Hint: he doesn't see a way to get that done here. He should have disclosed that.
- Robert Scoble
*sigh* See, Robert. You are missing soooo many points here. These discussions could have value - like the one I'm having w/ Stephen. Stephen's reading my words and their import, not just kneejerking. But influencing happens on MANY levels, in many fora.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: But isn't Robert saying Jeremy doesn't want to bother with the influencing on your level, when he can benefit greater from his normal levels?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Johnny: this is what happens with EVERY onlne community. The noise level goes up as newbies come in. I've seen it happen over and over and over and over. What's fun is that in friendfeed we can start secret societies. I'm shocked that Jeremy hasn't discovered that yet. Because that WOULD let him get high value out of friendfeed, similar to his IM client or his Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
MiniMage: that's exactly what I was saying.
- Robert Scoble
But TxVoodoo while Scobleizer is one of the "important" people as Kawasaki calls them, he is the only one who engages us like this right now. He really does care about the interconnection of "regular" businesses and organizations with this new Social Media World.
- Stephen Pickering
To me, FF isn't organic. Discovery isn't organic on it, it's not a great way to find new info and share it. I don't want nor care to influence Robert. On the other hand, I will say I'm more interested in reading Stephen, now. Maybe not his FF, but other bits.
- TxVoodoo
Everyone is talking to fast, you don't realize you are having 2 conversations that aren't related anymore (I don't think anyone is really listening at the moment), at least in IMHO. One is about "high-level" users and the value of FF and the other is about the "normal" users. They are different and can't easily be broken down into one answer (with apologies to those who think they can)....
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- Brad_King
TxVoodoo: I wrote a book called Naked Conversations that SAID EXACTLY THAT. It's clear you haven't done your homework about me, just like I haven't done mine about you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what do you mean by "secret societies"?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@Brad_King .. thank you for making the distinction
- Steven Hodson
LPH: here in friendfeed you can build rooms that no one can see into except if you are invited. A secret society.
- Robert Scoble
Brad, true enough. I like working and thinking outside the box - and that often requires bringint in 'normal' folks, integrating their input. I think a lot of recent tech could be made more valuable by integrating their input at the beginning-too much is now grown from minds of 'important' folks while forgetting what normal ppl need to WORK.
- TxVoodoo
Robert: Hopefully you'll send me a message and let me in on some of these secret societies so I can focus more on discussion and less on TxVoodoo!
- Johnny
@Stephen that is the thing I have *always* liked about Robert and even though he thinks I'm a smuck I still hold him and what he does in high regard. We need more like him.
- Steven Hodson
btw, as a disinterested third party reading - there are lots of good points here. I hope that people go back and re-read post flame war (used in the 70s sense of the word = good, not the bad sense). (disclosure: Scoble helped me figure FF out :)
- Brad_King
Johnny: well, there's more than one way to get rid of TxVoodoo. I almost blocked her, but kept her here to see just what she'd say. What can I say, it's a slow news night and I needed some entertainment. :-) My son has control of the TV. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: there's always the block feature ;)
- Nicholas James
Rober, Yah, I didn't read your book. Strange that I say what you wrote, but you don't use it? (ok, low blow). I just very much dislike this caste system you seem to perpetrate. I've been important in my field from time to time, and I feel it makes me too insular.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I'm not talking about you Damn It. You are soooo narcissistic.
- Robert Scoble
Please forward me invites to the high-value secret society rooms. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
TxVoodoo: I'm talking about Jeremy. THAT IS HIS ATTITUDE!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King - totally agree, it's been interesting to watch this develop over the past couple of hours and something I think I'll use an example for how cool FF is. Love IT
- James Stewart
Robert, thank you for the best laugh of the evening
- TxVoodoo
Stephen has the right of it. How many of the big players would look at a nobody's blog, follow her on Twitter or respond in email? http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: you think everything is about you, don't you? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
May I quote Carly Simon to you?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: that song is in my head thanks to you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You two need to learn to use emoticons, me thinks. There ya go, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's definitely hard to hate on Robert because he'll actually respond :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Ha, I've always thought of the block feature as the easy way out. I'm going to call it a night. Robert: send me a FF or Twitter DM in the near future and we can discuss more tech, less Voodoo.
- Johnny
I've a bit of snark in me, no question. HOWEVER. To the subject - this is a great chance to engage w/ as fandoms call them, the Big Names, so to speak - and maybe puncture their insular bubbles?
- TxVoodoo
Johnny: a private room is even better than a block. That way the person you are trying to remove from the discussion doesn't know it happened.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: let me know how it goes trying to get @oprah to engage.
- Robert Scoble
FWIW, I don't think FF is best or only way to do it. I believe we should use the tools that work for us, not fit our work to the tools.
- TxVoodoo
or Leo Laporte?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: I dare you to try to have this kind of conversation on your blog or over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - false comparison - she isn't active on Twitter, she's not a 'real' user. And Robert? I've had convos like this many times on my blog & on twitter.
- TxVoodoo
Mini: Leo actually is pretty engaged.
- Robert Scoble
He's never said a thing to me
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Again-it's NOT the tool-it's what you do w/ it.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: now I know why you don't have many followers on Twitter. (Low blow, but true)
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Show me where you have had a similiar conversation on Twitter
- Nicholas James
TxVoodoo: if you had a conversation like this over on Twitter (I have) you would have had hundreds of people complaining.
- Robert Scoble
And what you do w/ it is influenced by how natural it feels to you. Example: i don't like the "hit enter it posts" thing here.
- TxVoodoo
I see what u mean
- orionstarr
Nicholas: she would, but Twitter search isn't working right now.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Why don't you let FF know your opinions in the Feedback room then ;)
- Nicholas James
Robert-you're engaging the wrong ppl on twitter-I do political talk there, often, and it works. I haven't had anyone complain, perhaps because I've followed/am followed by like-minded people
- TxVoodoo
I don't think it ever fails. If someone posts that no one is paying attention to what she/he is saying, a conversation explodes. Maybe I should try it ;)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: You mean close-minded people.
- Jason Hansen
Nicolas because I haven't really ever cared enough?
- TxVoodoo
But TxVoodoo what I gather about Robert from following him is that he is the opposite of the caste system. He's just the opposite of all those characteristics you hate (and for good reason many times) that's one reason he's very popular
- Stephen Pickering
btw, screw you guys.... because of this conversations I didn't edit my book chapter for the last hour (your fault and your fault and your fault...you get the idea) ;) <-- joke emoticon
- Brad_King
@MiniMage - only if robert gets involved so make sure to be negative :) LOL
- Steven Hodson
Let me ask fathers, though, if Hooters' wings stop tasting so good when they have daughters, and no one's in the woods to hear my tree fall.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Stephen: I don't *hate*, I bemoan. I am sorry that he choses to keep his circle like that.
- TxVoodoo
Also, I think I *will* go to feedback-darned page keeps scrolling the typing box out of view. That's not organic, dammit!
- TxVoodoo
Brad_King what kind of Book are you writing?
- Stephen Pickering
Am off for evening, adios.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: you should have clicked on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: that would have opened up a window with the comment box on the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Robert++, that's what I did
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Stephen: The kind that isn't being edited right now :) I have 2 books with Carnegie Mellon (virtual worlds and social media+storytelling) and editing a book of essays for them on digital creation. NONE of them have been touched. Bastards.
- Brad_King
Robert: Thanks for that tip... haha. I always click on Share, etc...
- Jason Hansen
I right-clicked and opened in a new window, because I'm cool like that. No, I'm not serious.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Rahsheen: see, that's where Hodson goes wrong. Sometimes it takes an advanced user of a service to figure out all the productivity tips and teach them to other people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, stupid question, what is clicking on the time stamp? I keep having to go to the top of the page too
- Stephen Pickering
That's where I've been watching the action!
- Christopher Harley
Stephen: underneath the title at the top of this node is a time stamp. When this item was originally posted. Click on it.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: now, if you click on it again you'll get a second type of window to open.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert .. huh .. what have I got to do with productivity tips?
- Steven Hodson
Christopher: I knew there was a reason I was watching you.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sort of curious when I see people use the acronym ROI when it comes to "Social Media" tool, how exactly they define "return". For me return is learning stuff, not building traffic and followers. I can see how FriendFeed might be a poor platform on which to build an audience, because yes... you have to actually participate rather than just throw breadcrumbs over the wall now and then.
- Ken Sheppardson
So Jeremy Stormbringer starts this and wanders off?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Steven: because you don't like it when I tell people how to use friendfeed to get the most out of it.
- Robert Scoble
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I learned something! Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert, btw, I sent you a DM here earlier about th Carnegie book. I know you have a billion of them, but I'd like to talk with you if you have the time. No rush.
- Brad_King
Me too, thanks !
- Barbara
It's because I've been here for a year and even tried to leave for a month and only made it 26 days!
- Christopher Harley
Brad: cool, I'll try to get to my DM's. Got a bunch of them.
- Robert Scoble
26 days? That's IMPRESSIVE! uh, but why the heck did you do it?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Robert: yeah, I know. It's for the Entertainment Technology Center (ETC) Press. Do you know Drew Davidson?
- Brad_King
It's a tough habit to try and break.
- Christopher Harley
@Robert .. you and I really need to talk :) tip away my man .. make it as useful as hell .. the more people who use the better ... just because I raise questions about how it is used and why doesn't make me someone who doesn't like the serive. If that was that case I wouldn't keep coming back day fter day
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: These threads often turn into that sort of party where the host wants to go to bed but a bunch of the guests just want to hang out and watch the big screen TV all night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brad_King wow, you are right in the middle of it. And I thought Scoble and Brogan were the Social Media Kings!
- Stephen Pickering
Chris: You kept away from FriendFeed for 26 days. Wow.
- Nicholas James
Ken: when Jeremy says "ROI" that means that his job is to influence influential people like journalists and bloggers with big audiences. He's finding that more and more those people are disappearing into a sea of other people. It pisses him off.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: the dude abides. Scoble knows a lot more about much of this than I ever will.
- Brad_King
Steven: anytime! Part of it is I assume you're like Arrington and just like to argue to get an audience going. That's cool. It's fun for me too.
- Robert Scoble
Good point...but should Jeremy be going to bed just yet? It's only midnight on the East Coast, and don't the movers and the shakers work 3 hours later?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I still haven't seen that movie, Brad.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I did. Twitter, GReader, Facebook, and my own blogs got all my attention but in the end, this is where new ideas are spread out over the greatest number of users.
- Christopher Harley
MiniMage: Jeremy has a new baby. And if his wife let him away from those duties he's probably out having dinner with someone who has more influence than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert please don't make that comparison please. I like to raise questions and make conversations happen. If I do that by being the devil's advocate what is wrong there?
- Steven Hodson
Brad_King Yes, I was joking a bit, I've been an enthusiasic Scoble follower for quite a while. But those are some impressive titles you are working on!
- Stephen Pickering
Steven: I like your critiques. I usually learn something about myself and usually learn that I'm not communicating clearly or I'm too far ahead of the pack and the pack is getting pissed off.
- Robert Scoble
New babies. Ah, yes. Those may or may not have their schedules down just yet.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
And if you notice, I no longer import anything into FF. Why bother with the aggregation. I know where everything is and if you'd like to find all my stuff; check my Google profile.
- Christopher Harley
On the other hand, when the pack gets pissed off for being left behind it usually is a problem with the pack, not with me. I've been through this before many times.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I've had some luck being around this stuff for awhile. I just prefer a different profile level :) I get to hear more.
- Brad_King
Christopher: why did you come to that conclusion?
- Robert Scoble
@Robert then I have succeeded .. thank you .. but equally so you keep me honest and on my toes .. plus I do learn a lot from you
- Steven Hodson
FF has scaled to size large enough that I can just search for everything. I'm here to laugh and learn.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: that seems to be a mighty lame conclusion to come to. Especially since we can hide specific stuff from specific services.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: yeah, but what if we want to see what kind of music you're listening to, or your videos, or your Tweets, or your blogs? I am doing lots of searches and that's the kind of stuff I want to see from you here.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, I used to import everything but for me, and that's the key, for me it works differently now.
- Christopher Harley
There is always something be learned and nothing to lose. I always try to enjoy my time spent here.
- ashish
Christopher: interesting, because what you import has nothing to do with you. It has to do with what WE see of you.
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King Oh sure I understand. Everyone must go with the grain of their personality. Or else they won't be as happy and productive, and it sounds like you are very productive!
- Stephen Pickering
I share all those things.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: oh, then I'm missuderstanding. What aren't you bringing in here anymore?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Whenever I want to post something that I listen to or watched, I search FF first and find someone else has already posted it, so I just like/comment, rather than duplicate (most times). It's a rare joy to find that someone else hasn't beaten me to the punch.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Oh Jeremy, what have you done? Tsk. Tsk.
- Louis Gray
It aint hurting him any, Louis!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Louis .. okay what took you so long?? :)
- Steven Hodson
Louis: he did an advanced trolling technique that has been used here several times lately to get engagement. Unfortunately I think it'll only work about three more times before people just ignore anyone who complains they aren't getting enough comments.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I spent a few years in the Robert-lite shoes when I was at Wired News. Took away from my time building things. Plus, Robert does it *much* better than most.
- Brad_King
The need to constantly display everything lost its importance. Maybe I'm selfish but I can take away all that I want and share only what is germane to sharing right at that moment. The bookmarklet remains HOT.
- Christopher Harley
Brad: I am building things. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I work in Permits, and one of the clerks has a great saying about the way some people are. She said, "I can explain things to people, but I can't understand it for them."
- Gary Etie
Brad_King well it sounds like you are doing very important work
- Stephen Pickering
What is a "troll"? Am I a Scoble troll?
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert: shush. I know you are. What you did is different than what we did. I didn't mean that in a negative way. @Stephen: important? hahaha. not at all. Curing cancer is important. I play with media.
- Brad_King
Gary: good quote. Stephen: there's this thing called Google that I would love to introduce you to. :-) To everyone else, now I'm outta here cause I'm done with dinner and this was fun, but there's gotta be something else happening on friendfeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's right, there always is!
- Christopher Harley
Brad_King well media is important, especially now! But I agree, there are different levels of "importance"
- Stephen Pickering
wow... quite a bit happened over dinner it seems... if there were only THREADED comments, it would be so much easier for me to re-engage with anyone who said anything here. I'll have to do my best individually....
- Jeremy Toeman
/buckles seatbelt .. and the ride continues :) but I do agree about the threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
Steven, sorry for the delay. The family (myself included) was at a real-lief wedding in Santa Cruz.
- Louis Gray
@Robert funny, i both agreed and disagreed with your comments throughout, especially the ones where you talked on my behalf. re "trolling": meh, if that's your feel, whatever - I honestly didn't expect to see a conversation like this one emerge. re "ROI": in this case i really meant engagement with *anyone*, not just influencers... re "interestingness of my content": i think you cross...
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- Jeremy Toeman
hope you had a good time Louis :)
- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, my twins can take more time than your baby. Let's talk. I can teach you.
- Louis Gray
@Louis - i also have a 2 year old and run 2 companies...
- Jeremy Toeman
and now i'm off to clean radishes from my garden (uninteresting, i know), then go watch a movie with the wife. real-time web, please have a good night, i look forward to seeing you again soon. oh, and i still stand by my original statement. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: when you say stuff like this you gotta know that those of us who still are on the service will take it personally and spend a lot of time engaging on your item whether out of spite, fear, guilt, or just plain old "we feel like you just threw a pie in our face" reaction and we want to throw it back. That's why what you did was trolling. You should have known the reaction you'd...
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- Robert Scoble
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread because frankly, I'm pretty new to FF and was enjoying the discussion. But Scoble is right on with his last comment. Jeremy, the fact that you posted this on FF and not on Twitter or your blog, at least to me, shows you to be a tiny bit disingenuous. It's like showing up to someone's party and and instead of politely excusing yourself and leaving quietly, you take the stage and announce that this party sucks. You're bound to get a reaction.
- James Poling
Was it just me, or did Jeremy not actually address anyone but Robert and Louis? Then again, perhaps the salient points came from them? Still, I find it interesting that someone who runs two companies and rubs shoulders with tech elite has radishes in his garden and cleans them, himself. It's not riveting, but something I can't overlook.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@MiniMage .. it's not just you :)
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: Yeah, so much for all those other poor slobs and their ROI who came to comment on Jeremy's point.
- James Poling
Jason, don't mean to sound flippant, but the "hide" option is your friend. I've also found friend-grouping to drastically reduce the noise in my friendfeed :)
- Adam Lasnik
I guess I missed all the ego stroking. I thought some egos were getting punched up there, myself.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Minimage, Steven, James, etc - nobody else really addressed me directly in their comments (with something that needed dispute in one way or another - I didnt realy think I needed to tell someone who agreed with me that i agreed with them for agreeing with me). most of the rest of the comments circled around Robert's arguments, not mine... so i apologize to anyone who said something to me that was waiting on a response, but it just seemed like the conversation had moved along by then.
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy :) any points can easily get lost in FF comments which is why I agreed with you about the need for threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
@James interesting that you'd take it that way. a little history for you: I was *very* active on FF when it first debuted, and remained so for months. as i (1) became utterly deluged with work, (2) spent a month in the hospital, and (3) the multiple-times-aforementioned babies, my ability to participate as an active member here went way down, roughly to NIL. so now i get no love in return - understandable. i'm not trying to spoil *your* party, I'm observing how there just isn't much of one for me...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Do you have some sort of target number of Likes or comments per hour you invest in FF that you'd consider an acceptable ROI?
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post accidently on Thomas hawk account, it's a best of day, on my account, not so much.
- Mrsth
@Jeremy: I was being slightly tounge-in-cheek, but I see your point. I have a one-year-old at home and a job that keeps me virtually locked down from about mid-February to mid-April. Because of both of those things there have been times this past year when much, if not all of my networking, blogging and microblogging completely falls off as well. You are right obviously that any...
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- James Poling
@Ken how about 7? just kidding. no, i dont have quite so strict the definition of "ROI" here that I think XX hours of liking, sharing, and commenting should return YY results. but, per James' last point, it's a belief/feeling that to make YY>0 will take a LOT of hours.
- Jeremy Toeman
@ Jeremy, @Scobleizer That's why Robert is so good at what he does. Even when he does have those periods of away time (as he will in a few months) when he comes back he will throw himself head first into the deep end and quickly get back with the pack. That's his job so he is afforded that luxury. People like us on the other hand, while our jobs may be peripheral to what Robert does,...
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- James Poling
@James i think i'm going to call that response "bulls-eye" (the one with the "tongue-in-cheek" comment, which was the one i was responding to when the other one showed up mid-typing... yup, i sure would like threads please).
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy, awesome. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya. :) (oh and yes, threads please!) I may start adding that as default ending all of my comments, please add threads.
- James Poling
Jeremy, not to beat a very dead horse, but, again, there's nothing wrong with the quality of your contributions. There are people here who get huge response from announcing what they had for dinner. I think the "real-time" design changes and recent uptick in user numbers have forced the most-active users to retreat to lists in order to manage the flood of input. If you're a more casual...
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- Sprague D
It probably helps to have a gazillion followers, but I think Robert's point about being willing to go where the conversation is happening is the key to getting a return on your FF investment. Crowds will often gather around certain topics, influencers or funny cat pictures. Rather than trying to win over the people already following you, focus on comment threads where you can add to the conversation instead.
- Davis Freeberg
@sprague - totally agreed with you on this, sorry for not ack'ing earlier
- Jeremy Toeman
@davis - i'm really not trying to "win" anything...
- Jeremy Toeman
This far I find FF to be more of a consumption destination than a publishing platform. Interesting thoughts from interesting people but few people I know personally. That's how twitter felt to me 2 yrs ago, difference being FF has actual threads of conversation vs Twitter as a collection of brain farts
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Jeremy, after reading thru the 17+ hours of conversation in this thread that started as I walked out the door last night (i kept tabs on it a bit thru the night) i'm still wondering what 'value' means to you. Was Scoblizer correct in stating that the value to you is where it helps you influence people with large audiences (or however he was stating it)? To me 'value' is very subjective. That seems to be what everyone's caught up on here.
- Chris Heath
He who posts and likes shall be rewarded in kind.
- Russ Jackson
true, and yet I value the social linking so much.
- susan mernit
Russ, that simply isn't true. Several of us have been saying that we like/comment a lot and just don't get the responses back. Furthermore, pretty much like what Sprague said, there are people who can post "eekeek ackack" and get 40 likes and 50 comments, whereas if someone else posted the secret to being a success in life, it would never be noticed. Am I whining about it? I hope not, I just don't want everyone claiming that all FFers will get back what he/she puts in.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
There does seem to be a pretty steep climb into the secret FF kabal, and then once you are there you can maintain your status pretty easily, but if you fall through the minimum level of activity for any reason (such as real life, etc) you will have to re-climb the wall. Not perhaps a bad thing, but that at least is my impression. If work/life takes me away from FF it takes me a while to get noticed again after I get back. I think this might be a result of the nature of the new real-time paradigm.
- matthew john ernisse
This having to be active lots in order to be noticed I do not understand. If I see something that interests me, it doesn't matter to me if the poster had been gone for a week. And as a counterpoint, some threads become big, simply because that person had been missing for a while, and people were excited so see something from them again. Is there some sort of algorithm for this?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Maybe you should try to say something interesting.
- Will Higgins™
Yes, that's what people keep saying. Yet people say things that are more interesting than what others who get noticed say (not all the time, granted). What makes someone else's "guess what movie I'm watching" picture more interesting than the ones that don't get noticed? I believe the answer is "nothing." Why should one person's shared YouTube video get no likes or comments, when someone else can post the same thing with no response? It's more complex than the cop-out, "Say something interesting" answer.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
If it was that simple, this conversation wouldn't exist or last so long.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Chris - no, Robert's assumption of what I feel valuable was incorrect. While he is right in that a place where I could specifically remain connected with people in the CE industry *would* be valuable to me professionally, that actually was not part of my lament about FF. his assertion that I don't care about connecting with random folks of all walks of the Internet is way off in this case
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy it must be since you follow me :) :)
- Steven Hodson
Bump... Looks like this one turned into a flame war to me..
- aerobroken
Jeremy, thanks for clearing that up.
- Chris Heath
MiniMage: What you're describing/lamenting something that happens on just about any social sharing network with 'voting'. The first time I noticed this 'unfairness' was on digg.com when it started to get big in 2006. You will see the same type of complaints on digg: someone who's not as 'popular' submitted a story first, but another 'power user' submitted it after and it was promoted to the front page because of the power users's greater visibility... it's a shame and it's not fair - but that's life i guess
- Chris Heath
I've edited the ^above^ post a couple times (if you're watching in real-time)
- Chris Heath
Also, speaking of the problems with dupe submissions to digg: from what I understand about the future plans (and from the history of this issue) there will be (and have been) technological steps taken to get the dupe situation under control.
- Chris Heath
I'm hanging out with the JS-Kit people. Really cool commenting technology coming. Say hi here and show them the power of the real time web!
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http://www.js-kit.com is their website.
- Robert Scoble
hi
- mike "glemak" dunn
oh hai :)
- Matt Hooper
They are getting the real time religion. I'm here with Khris Loux and Chris Saad. Hanging out at the Oola restaurant/bar on Folson. Hi Mike!
- Robert Scoble
Hi, Robert. Go, real-time web, go!
- W Christman
g'day Chris, Robert and Khris
- Matt Hooper
this is the problem with the internet, these domains are terrible.
- Sweyn Venderbush
Sweyn: I agree that getting a good domain is really hard.
- Robert Scoble
Sweyn: did you see this tool for finding domains? http://instantdomainsearch.com/
- Robert Scoble
Hi Khris and everybody.
- Bruce Lewis
Hi Chris!
- David HC Soul
I own ez.com ... wanna buy it?
- Don Strickland
Robert: Yes I do but I guess they did use it. js-kit.com is not the best of names
- Sweyn Venderbush
Hey Bruce (from Khris)
- Robert Scoble
But I wonder, do most blogs get enough activity that real-time would be interesting? They already offer mini-chat, which is a neat idea.
- invariant - farewell FF
Don: sit on that man. thats your retirement money
- Sweyn Venderbush
Yo JS-Kit dudes. Does that stand for "javascript kittens"?
- RobinDotNet
registered in 1993 :-)
- Don Strickland
Hey there Robert, Khris, and Chris
- Ken Seto
hi robert - hanging out in ct watching hockey :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
It's true, real-time matters much less on a blog... If a blog post only gets 10 comments over the period of a week, do you care if they are real-time? Hah
- Colin
awesome stuff! used comments on http://globalgiving.com/momkows...
- Robert
Hi! I will check this out--thanks Robert.
- Sunshine
btw - I do love real time web ... which reminds me ... what ever happened to realtime.com
- Don Strickland
Robert, you said "coming" -- any hint what the new features will be?
- Bruce Lewis
Hi Robert, Khris, and Chris. Longtime HaloScan user, so you had me at 'hello.' :)
- AJ in Nashville
I like definitely like realtime, but it seems to be that it depends on aggregation or centralization on some level.
- invariant - farewell FF
Hey Robert...Cool Website
- ashwin
Go Real Time Web!
- Stephen Pickering
RobinDotNet: actually, if you look at their site in Chinese they have a kitten as a mascot. http://js-kit.com/blob...
- Robert Scoble
My CMS provider uses JS-Kit and it works fairly well, but getting real time comments is defiantly the way to go. Make the move to real time JS!
- Rodman
Well, the kitten sold me, even though I understand Chinese as well as I understand Greek.
- RobinDotNet
Looks interesting; I'll pass on to my PM for perusal.
- RobinDotNet
Since you said "really cool", the upcoming features probably don't include the boring one I asked for.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: what boring features did you ask for?
- Robert Scoble
I want a comment system that can be used with unlisted/noindex URLs, such that comments made on those URLs don't end up in people's public profiles. If some other comment system besides Disqus implements it first, then there will be two comment system options on OurDoings in no time.
- Bruce Lewis
Awesome, love the features of their comment system. ONLY one thing missing that I saw. When I put in my email address - I was SURE it was going to go grab my gravatar. I did notice it gets avatars from twitter, facebook, etc...but in leiu of that, gravatar :)
- Justin Hopkins
from twhirl
hi JS-Kit! I haven't use your service. But I surely want to know what cool thing you geeks are cooking :D
- Toni @ NavinoT
Well hi there - I am living proof the real time web is exactly 44 minutes behind schedule. :)
- Jack Humphrey
Cheers guys!
- George Dearing
from BuddyFeed
h' bday Chris ! (well if you were in Aus I guess; so keep drinking till after midnight and read this then!)
- David HC Soul
I think I put everyone to sleep over there with my boring details. Hey, Scobleizer did ask. And he could have given us hints about upcoming cool features.
- Bruce Lewis
hello, and hi to the real time real web! ..does JS-Kit plan run Google Friend Connect?
- Petr Buben
@Petr JS-Kit already has Google Friend Connect implemented as a login option
- Chris Saad
@David heya mate - thanks for the bday love!
- Chris Saad
Have fun
- Stephen Baugh
@Chris. I see. thank you .... well, are you also running this bar ? or, do you plan to ... anyways, very nice site, and widgets! will have to give it a shot :]
- Petr Buben
Is The Stream What Comes After the Web? - http://www.twine.com/item...
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"The Web has always been a stream -- it has been happening in real-time since it started, but it was slower -- pages changed less frequently, new things were published less often, trends developed less quickly. Today it is getting so much faster, and as this happens its feeding back on itself and we're feeding into it, amplifying it even more. Human attention is a tremendous bottleneck in the world of the Stream. We can only attend to one thing, or at most a few things, at once. As information comes at us from various sources, we have to jump from one item to the next. We cannot absorb it all at once. We can follow many streams, but only one-item-at-a-time; and this requires rapidly shifting our focus from one article to another and from one stream to another. And there's no great alternative: Cramming all our separate streams into one merged activity stream quickly gets too noisy and overwhelming to use. The ability to view different streams for different contexts is very important...
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- Bertrand Doux
from Bookmarklet
I'm not sure I agree with this thesis that we can't follow disparate information from one flow. Certainly that has been the case for *many* people in the past but ... I think we're evolving away from the linear model of learning and information consumption and toward a non-linear model. Think of it as Burrough's Cutup technique - by digesting little bits of different things I actually...
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- AJ Kohn
Agree with you AJ - Friendfeed is a good example of mixing broadcast information, conversations, twits, Flickr favorites, etc, and still providing a great experience. At the same time, my Friendfeed is mainly focused around my job interests, and I wouldn't want posts from family and friends within the same stream. Personal stream and information stream hardly fit for me. what about you?
- Bertrand Doux
Twitter followers: I have turned off the friendfeed-Twitter automatic "like" feature to play around with new "share" feature instead.
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Awwww, but I like the updates on Twitter.
- Damond Nollan
The thing is, it's keeping me from liking a lot of stuff that I'd like to like in friendfeed. Share seems more useful. Will try this out, though.
- Robert Scoble
One thing is that I have to copy and paste shares manually. Not nearly as easy and totally useless on iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I bet I turn it back on within 24 hours because of the iPhone thing.
- Robert Scoble
Need to get that 3.0 Beta, Robert :)
- Geoff Farinha
Robert: You aren't already using 3.0 beta? :)
- Holger Eilhard
the new share makes sense but the auto text it promotes is strange, i've had to edit the ones i've done so far - but do like it better than sending all likes to twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Ok. (sigh) I'll bite the bullet and work with you. Let me know if I can be of service.
- Damond Nollan
Yeah, I've been contemplating the same sort of thing. In part because of having to think twice before I "like" something, but also because of the extra link that FF tacks onto the tweet, which is especially annoying now that I've been playing around with TweetFace to send my tweets to Facebook. TweetFace makes two link posts on FB instead of one each time I "like" something on FF.
- Grey Drane
That's why I turned it off.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
I wish people wouldn't activate that feature. I already see your likes through a better interface on Friendfeed.
- Morton Fox
doing the same here, it's simply to much if liked posts get to twitter too
- Waldemar Schott
Holger: no, I don't have iPhone 3.0. Well, I really don't like how the new share works. It causes duplication where the like feature doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to turn them back on, I'm pretty sure.
- Robert Scoble
yeah agreed morton - i share stuff to twitter though for my friends who don't grok friendfeed :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I noticed that. It would be nice if FriendFeed noticed the duplication, much like it does with liking something (It doesn't post your Twitter message about the like to your timeline). Then it would be perfect.
- Jalada
There should be a built-in option in the share window to send it only to twitter without sending it to your feed.
- Waldemar Schott
Robert, I think you should continue to pipe your likes because of the scoble effect. I'm sure it gets a lot of people over to FF for the first time.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
+1 to Waldemar's suggestion: just a direct tweet option in the share dialog. Definitely!
- Grey Drane
Robert: Yea I wouldnt be able to keep it if it kept duplicating. If you ever decide you want to give 3.0 a shot let me know. I can add you to our dev list.
- Geoff Farinha
Just noticed you can share on twitter, facebook, etc. without posting to your FF timeline. Just click on the icons at the bottom of the share window. Cumbersome, though.
- Tom Landini
It seems FF could just add a CC to Twitter (check/uncheck) button next to "Likes" to solve this dilemma. Or maybe a pop-up notification asking if you want to CC it to Twitter after you've clicked Like. Just brainstorming....
- Alexander Grundner
Geoff: I would love to try 3.0. scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
Tom: By clicking the twitter icon at the share window you will be redirected to twitter and that's not fast/easy enough.
- Waldemar Schott
what does Share do?
- Thomas Power
Waldemar: That's why I say it's cumbersome. Works better with Facebook, but still not as easy as it could be.
- Tom Landini
Thomas: You can reshare the post to your feed, rooms/groups and CC to twitter with the share window
- Waldemar Schott
Where and how do I set these FF to Twitter settings? The options in the "settings" popup are pretty limited.
- Wes
I like the option in 'share' to either post it to Twitter or not. I hate the double posting feature as most of the people following me on Twitter (and vice versa) also are on FF. It can get annoying.
- Molly
Robert: brilliant thanks.
- Wes
@Tom - Yeah, those little icons in the share window are OK in a pinch, but definitely not an elegant solution. Thx for the tip, tho!
- Grey Drane
BTW, what about ff.im short URLs that do a header-frame thingy like ow.ly or BigTweet? That way, you'd need just one link in the tweet, and you'd get both the source content and a quick path back to FF for discussion.
- Grey Drane
Grey: Not a bad idea.
- Alexander Grundner
Robert: Email just sent
- Geoff Farinha
Robert: Thanks...Got me to realize I hadn't clicked the share yet, and probably will. I was just thinking today about how A) I would like to like more stuff on FF and b) how things I want to go to twitter that I don't actually "like" are misinterpreted.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Would be nice in the Share if I could just delete My Feed, and it would leave the Cc Twitter box there. Save the extra step through the failwhale hoop.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So did you leave this off, Robert, or turn it back on yet?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I wish the Like feature gave me the option each time to repost to Twitter (and the more sites I would like FF to repost to)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Guruvan, me too. I turned off the like posting because I didn't want it to tweet likes for everything, just some links or particularly cool statements. I would also like the ability to like people's comments on threads instead of just writing "username +1" or whatever.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
I would also like to like individual comments. Sometimes I don't like the original post, or care much for the dicussion on that topic, but one comment sticks out.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The End of the Destination Web Era - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2009...
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Or perhaps another answer is...(gets ready to duck)...pay per post? Rather than having the monetized content at a destination, get it on a feed where people can splice it, dice it, whatever.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I've started to say this internally a lot. In 3-5 years we won't have a *website*. Particularly true for e-commerce sites, in my opinion, as we will atomize and simply exist as pieces/services on others aggregators (i.e. Facebook) or we will transact only when need (i.e. a widget/service).
- Alan Edgett
Venn Project #9 on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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LOL Omg this stream RULES. "Internet Memes / Things That Get Really Awful if Tehy Hang Around Too Long / Neighbors" LOL. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
I hit like before Rochelle! FIRST!
- Louis Gray
I hesitated! I hesitated!
- Rochelle
Finally, mathematically accurate and humours venn diagrams. Not like those Venn wannabes over at GraphJam
- Bryce Roney
These are great. My stomach hurts
- Mona Nomura
YES. They... are going to HELL!
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100% sure!
- AJ Batac
It's so funny yet soo wrong
- AJ Batac
An idea born in the devil's mind?
- Rahul Das
ha x3
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Obviously some idle hands there.
- CAJ, somewhere else
But sinning is so fun!!
- Lokei Atikus™®
Priceless
- Mitch
I'm still LOL :D
- AJ Batac
Awesome
- Steve C
If there is one. :]
- Faraz Mullick
Of course there is one
- AJ Batac
what a sense of humor. lol
- Janette Toral
oh man this is great.
- anna sauce
AJ - If you say so. =D
- Faraz Mullick
:D
- AJ Batac
Still laughing.
- Admiral Anika
Yep. Old, but still classic.
- Kamilah Gill
Bwahahahahahahaahha! And here I thought I'd seen just about every funny picture on the internet.
- cecily
See ya on the Lake of Fire, dudes!
- Steven Perez
I'm seeing an academic paper/article in this - something with a title that includes Homoerotic Religious Paintings and The Village People in Popular Culture
- Katy S
Twitter Traffic Explodes...And Not Being Driven by the Usual Suspects! - http://www.comscore.com/blog...
Alan Edgett and Ray Metzen liked this
"Reuters reporter Alexei Oreskovic recently authored an interesting blog post about the demographics of Twitter users. What he discovered was that 18-24 year olds, the traditional social media early adopters, are actually 12 percent less likely than average to visit Twitter (Index of 88). It is the 25-54 year old crowd that is actually driving this trend. More specifically, 45-54 year olds are 36 percent more likely than average to visit Twitter, making them the highest indexing age group, followed by 25-34 year olds, who are 30 percent more likely."
- AJ Kohn
from Bookmarklet
Just made my first Kiva loans (7x$25 to be precise)... I wonder what will come of it.
Chris Rivait, Neal Jansons, R. Ferguson and 15 other people liked this
I've been thinking of doing that as well
- Steven Hodson
In any case, it feels more natural than charity to me. I wish there was an option for equity investments. This would sure please the gambling addicts among us. They could even make it look like a casino!
- Meryn Stol
I've been meaning to get around to that
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Steven, Shey, now is the time! :)
- Meryn Stol
@Meryn .. my budget for the month is done :) but I will definitely look to do it next month ... but I just wonder if doing something nice like this will damage my cranky old fart rep? .. gotta be careful ya know
- Steven Hodson
Is anyone in for creating a FriendFeed team on Kiva?
- Meryn Stol
I've been thinking about this for awhile. Let us know how it turns out.
- Louis Simoneau
Yay!! :)
- Jenny Morman
It was charity, say goodbye.
- coldbrew
;) Kidding!
- coldbrew
Welcome to microfinance! It's not exactly the gambler's fix, but most people find it very addictive. As for a group, why not just join the one on top! ;)
- Edward Zwart
thats a fantastic start! Your first loan may be more than I have managed to scrape together to loan on the site in a year.
- Bill Rawlinson
@Ed he is a member of the group on top on Kiva! :)
- Jenny Morman
and Meryn if you added a FF room on Kiva I'd join... I don't loan tons but I would support that room as well.
- Jenny Morman
What's the return on that? Altruistic, primarily, or worth doing for some profit?
- Neal Jansons
Neil, Kiva lenders don't receive interest on their loans. So it could be called "altruistic' I guess. I think these entrepreneurs deserve some trust. More than they had in the past.
- Meryn Stol
Thanks, Meryn, I understand and agree.
- Neal Jansons
@Jenny Groovay!
- Edward Zwart
@Neal @Meryn I distinguish Kiva from charity (if not altruism) b/c I can get my money back if needed. It's highly unlikely but nonetheless that fact seems to have had an extreme loosening effect on my bank account! When I started I just saw a spare (non interest bearing) $25 in my account, and parked it over with a poor person for a while (and over and over). The little bit of interest that I lose (when you add it all up) MORE than pays for the good feeling I get for helping out.
- Edward Zwart
Edward, I think that because you're giving up interest makes it "altruistic". Yet, it's not the same as charity. Charity for me means giving money away. I'm not giving the lenders any money. I said that up front in this thread.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn, I think that too! :)
- Edward Zwart
I am ready for the FF beta to be the default now!
Jérôme Flipo, Alan Edgett, Meryn Stol and 8 other people liked this
My imaginary friends seem to be lost somewhere but other than that I'm good to go!
- Sam Grover
nope
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
what shey said x2
- Steven Hodson
What Marshall said X2
- Alan Edgett
I don't like the realtime default or the design. Ugly compared to non-beta version.
- David Rothman (☤)
I don't!! there's a real problem fo confusion with groups/feeds/lists/filters. See here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf... (Bwana's post)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Check out the new FriendFeed at http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 . It's now a much better place to hang out online. Let folks know.
sean percival, Louis Gray, Travis Koger and 19 other people liked this
good job. http://beta.friendfeed.com/
- Volkan Yılmaz ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
We think the convergence of UIs is an interesting development for usability. Would love to hear others' thoughts: http://bit.ly/4muyzM
- CDG Interactive
agree, very nice. finally worth to migrate from twitter!
- Ihar Mahaniok
Very cool
- Ofer Weintraub
9 Good Things The Internet Has Ruined Forever - http://omglists.blogfaction.com/article...
Jesse, David Erickson, Thomas Hawk and 44 other people liked this
No need for nine. There's only one. Cats /end.
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
My kids saw Rick Astley at the Cavs game and said "it's the rickroll guy!"
- Stephen Foskett
Cavs game?! Omg I would LOVE to see Lebron live! ...oops, sorry got excited. I didn't even know Rick Astley was still alive LOL
- Mona Nomura
Mona: Yeah, 3rd row too! I'll post a pic! Lebron was awesome!
- Stephen Foskett
3rd row? JEALOUS.
- Mona Nomura
If the internets really have killed Tom Cruise's career than losing everything else was more than worth it.
- ♥patricia♥
The Internet only made Rick Astley better. It revived his career to a new generation! The man will become a billionaire! HE DID THE FREAKING THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE AND RICK ROLLD EVERYONE!!
- Mike Nayyar
I seriuosly did not know Rick Astley was alive - totally thought he was from the 40s or something hahahaha
- Mona Nomura
Mona! That must be your April Fool's joke....isn;t it?!?
- WorldofHiglet
Heh, I just watched Top Gun last night. :)
- Cheryl Jones
At least people still get together to watch sports on television. By the way, Go Green!!
- Andrew Pass
Motivational posters were always awful. This list is invalid!
- Andrew C
The cats completely validated it.
- Mona Nomura
Spot on Mike, I can't believe it's almost April Fools again -- PASSENGERS, PREPARE FOR SUDDEN RICKROLL ;)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Looking Into the Past - a set on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Dave Gambrill, Nia, Daniel Rowley and 35 other people liked this
Awesome Flickr set: "Images are made by finding old photographs of places, printing them out, and then holding the print up in the modern day location that the original photograph was taken. So far, all historical images have been available for free at the Library of Congress."
- Rachel Lea Fox
from Bookmarklet
that is so cool.
- Trish Haley
That is an outstanding share, Rachel.Flickr was my all time first for "sharing" info site. It's like a museum of Art in your own home. A few years ago, I became a Flickr-holic. Hubby and I started photographing dandelions at 4am in the backyard and stuff...it brought us closer together - but made us realize photographers WE ARE NOT. True photographers astound me with their creativity & skill, and the way they capture beauty. Great set!
- Laurel Phelps LaFlamme
Wow. so simple. so awesome.
- Ted Roden
Laurel - thanks, I just love what I can find on Flickr. Ted - I'm with you. I love that he keeps his hand in them all as well. My favorite has to be this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos... Having the woman in there just adds so much.
- Rachel Lea Fox
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