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Abuse and show trials – Amnesty reports on Iran | World news | The Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world...
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"Human rights abuses in Iran are now as bad as at any time in the past 20 years, Amnesty International reports tomorrow in a survey marking six months since June's disputed presidential election. Amnesty documents "patterns of abuse" by the Basij militia and revolutionary guards involving beatings, rape, death threats, forced confessions, intimidation and official cover-ups. Many detainees have been subjected to show trials and five have been sentenced to death. "The authorities have resorted to exceptionally high levels of violence and arbitrary measures to stifle protest and dissent," says the 80-page report. "The courts have not been an instrument of justice to hold police, security forces and other state officials to account … or to protect the rights to freedom of expression, assembly, association and religion.""
- Steven Perez
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http://www.google.com/hostedn...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
We're still alive, b*tches :)
Roberto Arancibia, Alfredo, Emily Miller and 68 other people liked this
ahah
- Ozgur Demir
But once you eat the cake? Then?
- Louis Gray
Is the cake moist and delicious? :)
- Morton Fox
ZombieFeed!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
This cake is not a lie.
- WorldofHiglet
if only it was really true
- j1m
+1 j1m. wish you were 100% alive though
- kartik vaithyanathan
Love cake. ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
LoL @WoH
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
friendfeed,cool
- netpiano
FriendFeed rules, b*tches!
- Mona Nomura
What's Friendfeed?
- Danny Minick
looks like my tee shirt.
- amelia arapoff
Still alive? Sorry but this remains to be proved, a post every now and then or a cake are not enough. No announcement of any new feature since Google [edit:Facebook] bought out Friendfeed, if that is not an indication that Friendfeed is quietly [but surely] put aside for a slow death I don't know what is.
- lelapin
we're too!
- pope "1st lefthanded"®
@lelapin: 1, Facebook, not Google. 2, no new features != slow death. First of all, community is independent of the evolution of the technology. There are tons of forums out there that haven't added new features in ages but are still highly active. 3, it could be argued that FriendFeed doesn't *need* new features: it's a very complete and functional platform, that does what it does well.
- Louis Simoneau
And, in response to the original post, Hellz Yeah!
- Louis Simoneau
@LouisSimoneau: 1 - thanks for the heads up 2 - cemeteries are extending in size and population still would you take them as example to back up your argument, as 'highly active'? 3 - could be indeed, I would not though since, no matter what sector you're in, no change, no new feature irremediably leads to obsolescence.
- lelapin
http://www.resimler.tv/data... size sondaki cümleyi diyorum. (just don't care this comment)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Now see, what would be cool is a run of ff tshirts with RIP and a tombstone
- j1m
How Will You Die? - http://www.good.is/post...
Kol Tregaskes, Jason Huebel, achean and 10 other people liked this
"While you may be worried of catching of an obscure disease you heard about on the news, the truth is that we are far more likely to die of a small range of illnesses, nearly all of which are tied in some way to your lifestyle choices, like the food you eat or how much exercise you get. But you can lessen—sometimes dramatically—the likelihood of succumbing to the most common causes of death by knowing your risk factors and making informed choices. This is a look at your most likely cause of death (excluding uncontrollable events like accidents and homicide), given your race, sex, and age. Use this information to make choices that will keep you healthy."
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
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macabre
- Shevonne
Sad how common suicide is as a cause.
- Todd Hoff
Also, HIV for black men in *gulp* my age group. :(
- Derrick
The fact is I will probably die from kidney failure but the chart is interesting.
- Judy Jones
Heart disease, HIV, cancer. I'm working on 1 as best I can. The things I do for 1 should help with 3 as well. I hope I'm at zero risk for 2.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
my heart will probly give out before i turn 60.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Aggressive atheism - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Don't hold back Pat, tell us how you really feel...
- Edward Zwart
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Fwd: Thief - http://meme.yahoo.com/sonergo... (via http://friendfeed.com/funny-p...)
zephyrlily, maral, Ня! and 169 other people liked this
From Soner Gönül: http://friendfeed.com/sonergo...
- Kol Tregaskes
Ma tiene un bueno de rebaja? o es un gasto"social"?
- Alessandro Marocchini
So cute - it's like he knows where the loot is! Is that a bag of chips he's carrying?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Amazing!! Hahahahaha.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
The thieving seagull is back. I remember that story :)
- Eivind
The video: http://videos.sapo.pt/mYfphME...
- Eivind
And the snopes verification: http://www.snopes.com/photos...
- Eivind
Hehe, cheeky bird.
- Kol Tregaskes
excellent , altering Darwinism is always a pleasure.....
- Ilias Marmaras
SCORE! He got away with it! :-)
- Jason Huebel
If only he had opposable thumbs to open it. :-(
- Jason Huebel
Kol -eh I mean- Krazy ;) I have a feeling you are about to create a meme or something along those lines... :)
- Holger Eilhard
Hehe, Holger.
- Kol Tregaskes
girerken sakin çıakrken nasıl hızlı :D
- Sinan İŞLER
Wow, Snopes verification wins! GG Eivind
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Wow, this is great.
- j1m
canı patates cipsi istemiş :)
- Çiğdem Zeytin
vay şerefsiz :P
- Ergin
bizim tavukları gelip yiyen martı geldi aklıma..
- morkedipatisi
Yasık ona herkes simit veriyor limse cips yer mi demiyor :D canı istemiş aşırmış. başka yol bulaşamamış :)))
- Çiğdem Zeytin
Hehe this was on tv, it's in Scotland. The local people pay for his crisps so he's not technically a thief anymore: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
- Amy
lol
- Elenucci
fantastico
- Emiliano Sanguigni
hihihhihihihihi fichissimo!!! grazie :D
- al3lilo
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This never gets old! :D
- rowlikeagirl
lol
- echostreamer
hihihi
- Naz
haha don't these videos help give thieves all the New ideas and tricks to steal?
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
ay yazık canı çekmiş:)
- méhtap
süper ya ne tatlı bişey o öyle helal eğitmenine yaa:D
- SU MİSALİ
Mine.... mine.... MINE MINE MINE!
- Shawn Whitmire
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
this always makes me smile.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
:))
- علیرضـــــــآ
Louis Gray dropped more science yesterday on the FFundercats that keeps swimming in my brain... Even if the community disappeared, FriendFeed is still a kick-ass aggregator and a great way to keep up with all your FFeople's digitial happenings.
Mo Kargas, achean, Jimminy Fuller and 17 other people liked this
is there any proof that FF community disappeared? and why? where did they go? what has changed, other than formally ownership?
- Petr Buben
Subtext: If you think of leaving, don't delete your account. We'll still find it valuable.
- Louis Gray
Sub-subtext: We'll still find your feed valuable, but we will talk about you behind your back regarding your lack of participation. LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Sub-sub-subtext: We'll find you and beat you until you come back.
- Josh Haley
Sub-x4-text: ...turn yourself around, and that's what it's all a-bout *clap clap* And repeat.
- Micah Wittman
Yup
- Hutch Carpenter
Disappeared?! If anything, I think it's picking up again. And not a single lament on the demise of FF in weeks!
- Adrian Scicluna
A good-smelling UPS guy came to my door and delivered...HANDERPANTS! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Kirill Bolgarov, Steven Perez, Leandro Ardissone ⍨ and 82 other people liked this
lol you didn't??
- VAL D. Zone
*dead*
- Micah Wittman
If he only knew what was in the box.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Adrian thought I was serious when I posted this: http://friendfeed.com/fabooma...
- Admiral Anika
HAHAAH! Adrian!!! HAAHAH ANIKA! HAHAAHA!
- Carlos Ayala
LOL I can't believe I own these now. *head desk*
- Admiral Anika
Just think, you'll never have to endure a naked handshake ever again.
- Micah Wittman
They really are not comfortable to type with...or wear. ROFL
- Admiral Anika
oh I thought you were serious too! :[
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Excellent!
- Katy S
O_O
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
LOL
- Parth Awasthi
OMG LOL
- Joe
ha!! hilarious :-)
- followmetonyc
Squeeeeeeee!! *has a little "accident"*
- Adrian
Oh, and P.S. > #youknowyouwantedthem
- Adrian
There are no words. I think you should wear them out for a day and go to places where you have make transactions – coffee shops, magazine stands, restaurants – and have somebody film the reactions.
- Kevin Pedraja
I wondered what kind of looks I'd get in my neighborhood, but I think most people will just talk about me in Spanish. LOL
- Admiral Anika
Gawd, I love these. And, Anika, what's comfort got to do with it? High fashion hurts.
- Anna Haro
LOL. So awesome.
- Jason Huebel
You *know* Spanish!! We are so doing this. I wish I had a big, shoulder-mounted broadcast-style video camera though... and then have someone else recording the *camera man* too. What am I saying, I got work to do...
- Adrian
I'm nominating Adrian for a Friendfeed Award this year.
- Micah Wittman
It would be ¿Está usando *chonies* en las manos?
- Admiral Anika
Before Anika can say anything, I'll say it... "Micah, don't encourage him!" #predictable
- Adrian
And? ^
- Admiral Anika
This place needs animated smiley faces, like in Skype and GTalk!
- Adrian
Put some gloves on! You damn kids, always out showin' yer underbusiness to all of creation. Why in my day we had morals, and role models! *blasts some Perry Como at you all*
- Joe Pierce
Next time I say "I soiled my pants" there's now a 30% chance I'll mean that I spilled wine or coffee on my HANDERPANTS!
- Admiral Anika
These are really gross, and awesome, at the same time.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
WT? NO!
- Anna Lynn M.
Those exist?
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, elusive like the Yeti, but yes. Come to think of it, I bet it'd be a hit with the Yeti community.
- Micah Wittman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Where the thongs at?
- Martha
Cool idea, but of what commercial purpose other than coolness and shock value?
- TrafficBug
What, TrafficBug? You think these are...cool??? The back of the package says they're useful for texting, typing, construction work, cooking...a many other helpful situations.
- Admiral Anika
Do you regularly smell the UPS man?
- Mistletoe Glen
Hahaha
- Rodfather
:))))
- Shandiz
INTERNET, THIS JUST HAPPENED.
- Mike Nayyar
No Glen. This guy smelled like he had just got out of the shower.
- Admiral Anika
I feel like giving you a hand wedgie now
- Rodfather
You make me sad, Rodfather!
- Admiral Anika
Sadder than that time I spoke only in BNL song titles?
- Joe Pierce
Yes, Joe. That just made you sad. ROFL
- Admiral Anika
No. That made me Awesome! You just don't realize.
- Joe Pierce
Dream On...oh wait, we're not doing Aerosmith songs.
- Admiral Anika
These are great!!! Too funny!! Thanks for sharing.......hahaha
- John Tastad
FriendFeed reports I have made 22,222 comments all time. If you had such symmetry, would you pause for a bit, or go nuts and aim for 23,456?
imabonehead, rowlikeagirl, achean and 17 other people liked this
Tries to coax Louis into responding to break that symmetry
- Jesse Stay
Go for it, Louis!
- Anne Bouey
50,000
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Aim for 123,321 or 123,456 or 222,222, etc. MORE symmetry, please. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Ignore it. It's just a number
- Paola Bonomo
Next stop 33,333
- Keith Rowland
Go nuts - I agree with Keith - go for it - do the stretch goal!
- Alternating Reality Books
I'd delete my account.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
See what Louis doesn't realize is the second he makes a comment via Disqus or any other service that pipes in auto-comments... his plan will be for naught....................... mwuah... mwuaaaahh... mwwuuuuuuuuuaaaahhhhhhhh *lighting crashes*
- Johnny Worthington
Before making this comment, I was at 11,333. It was only because I stopped to read this post that I noticed it. Now the moment has passed. Such is the transience of numerical synchronicity.
- Slappy Line
No cure for this .... yet
- Charlie Anzman
Actually, 22,222 isn't symmetrical at all - a) it has a comma in it throwing it off balance, and b) even if the comma were gone, you'd have to somehow split the middle 2 in half, and 2 is not a symmetrical number, so you're okay continuing to comment.
- Jesse Stay
Go big or go home!
- vicster is...
I think I agree with Jesse -- that's not symetrical. Get to 111,111 and then call me ;)
- Jorge Escobar
LOL
- Thomas Power
onward and upward my friend!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Aim for 22,223
- Josh Haley
go silent suddenly and watch the crowds , go nuts
- johnpiercy
Take it one comment at a time.
- Todd Hoff
Odd. I'm still at 11,333.
- Slappy Line
I want the high score, the global high score, I want the high score ......
- Martha
I'd keep on commenting! Just screen shot it for your memory :) I had a similar, freakish Twitter encounter for a month, it seemed like every other day I was looking at 666!
- H0llywoodWh0re
Go for 100,000 Louis, you can do it! :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
Support for Same-Sex Marriage by Age and State » Sociological Images - http://contexts.org/socimag...
EBrewer, Jessie, Matt Snoulten and 24 other people liked this
"The data supports the notion that younger people are more supportive of gay marriage than older people. I also think it’s interesting that, even in states that we normally consider quite hostile to gay rights (the ones at the bottom of the table), there is still a significant age difference: 18-29 year-olds in Alabama, for example, are more supportive of gay marriage than people 65 and older in Massachusetts. So, while we like to think about states as “liberal” or “conservative,” spreading out the data by age tells a much more complicated story."
- Jim Norris
from Bookmarklet
It'd be interesting to find out if preferences for the *same set* of people change as they age. If no, then all we have to do to improve same-sex rights is wait for a generation or two to snuff it. If yes, then it's a little harder.
- Aaron D'Souza
Would like to see a graph with "has internet" (do younger people more frequently use/ more regularly access the internet?)
- Philipp Lenssen
Where's the graph for polygamist marriage?
- Gus
Waiting a "generation or two" isn't going to do a whole lot for the gay community now. This is particularly true for elderly gay and lesbian individuals who are facing mortality and unable to secure inheritances etc for their partners.
- Soup
My guess is that open-mindedness comes with actually knowing people who are gay/lesbian/etc. and realizing that it's an inescapable part of who they are and just a different manifestation of the same powerful feelings of love and commitment that everyone feels. It also probably has to do with marriage being defined as a romantic notion these days rather than a more economic and social framework in the past. As evidence for this, I have nothing.
- Jim Norris
And I may not be the strongest gay-marriage supporter out there by any means... I mean, I'm ok with it and think it should be allowed, but only as long as I don't have to get gay married myself.
- Jim Norris
Nice, Jim, nice.
- Kelly
I concur, Jim Norris. :)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Ah, so Jim, you support "weak" gay marriage, not "strong" gay marriage.
- Stephen Mack
Interesting. So even if attitudes by age remain constant, in 20 years, the 18 states from Pennsylvania up will be strongly pro gay-marriage, but the 22 states from Wyoming on down will remain opposed, even 40 years hence.
- j1m
And of course, the prediction is that attitudes by age will be far from remaining constant. Indeed attitudes toward gays seem to have made almost all of their progress in the last 15 years, afaict.
- j1m
RT @DoNotGoGently: Awesome parody of social-media-douchebags & tweet-spammers @newyorkerdotcom http://www.newyorker.com/humor...
achean liked this
Fwd: Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches - http://richarddawkins.net/article... (via http://friendfeed.com/xixidu...)
achean liked this
I read about this earlier today, and I must say I really don't respect their religious beliefs. What is most shocking to me is that there is not even a market for non-child-murdering churches in this area :(
- Eivind
Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches - http://richarddawkins.net/article...
LANjackal, Anthony Citrano, achean and Christopher A Carr liked this
"The nine-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall. His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him — Mount Zion Lighthouse. A month later, he died. Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files. Some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises. Their parishioners take literally the Biblical exhortation, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.""
- Alexander Kruel
from Bookmarklet
It's absolutely heartbreaking and based on a horrid misinterpretation of Scripture. I saw this documentary earlier in the year: http://www.abc.net.au/4corner...
- Mellissa Claus
Maybe god should have written it so that one even without education could not misinterpret it then? How do you know you are not getting it wrong?
- Alexander Kruel
Surely you're not arguing that this interpretation is correct and those children should be abused in such a manner?
- Mellissa Claus
I'd have to ask whoever wrote that tale for the correct interpretation.
- Alexander Kruel
Apologies - I thought you posted this to bring to light the plight of these children, not to debate the Bible.
- Mellissa Claus
I wasn't going to debate the Bible even though I see no difference between dismissing the Bible and to put an end to the plight of children. You are commenting on a something that has been shared on richarddawkins.net and in turn submitted here by a skeptic, what have you expected? ;-D (edited, was formulated in a way that might be misinterpreted)
- Alexander Kruel
Didn't know you were a skeptic :o)
- Mellissa Claus
Go here and read what's written under my name at the top of the page? "Atheist" - that's a statement for the rather naive people who think being a skeptic does mean you just have some doubts. In an epistemological discussion I'd not state that I'm an atheist though ontological I'm an atheist. http://friendfeed.com/xixidu
- Alexander Kruel
Exodus 22:18 could surely use a little clarification as to how one will know a "witch" when one sees one: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
- Christopher A Carr
That's how you get clarification: Deuteronomy 1:13 "Choose some wise, understanding and respected men from each of your tribes, and I will set them over you."
- Alexander Kruel
Well, there you have it. Everything appears to be in order then, biblically speaking. -- Of course the unsavory, embarrassing bits are always "misinterpreted" by those who interpret them literally.
- Christopher A Carr
Except you want your neighbours kids and wife to be butchered, then it might come in handy to contact the wise men and tell them about all the signs for them being witches. The elders will then ask god to stop them from killing those people if they are not witches. If he doesn't, they were obviously right.
- Alexander Kruel
Alexander - I am reading this on my Feed, not on your page. As for the quote from Deuteronomy, that was directed to the twelve tribes of Israel. I take it you have read the Bible in full?
- Mellissa Claus
I've read large parts of it. Been raised as a JW so I'm aware of how you can transfigure a lot of what is said to one's favor.
- Alexander Kruel
I don't see how abusing and killing children could be in anyone's favour :o/
- Mellissa Claus
Melisa: You suspect someone is sleeping with your wife, land or livestock dispute, feuding for some other reason, etc -- then something unfortunate happens and it's "that man's kids are witches! kill them. the Bible demands it."
- Christopher A Carr
Berlusconi immunity law overruled - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
Daniel Rowley, Yasin Müderrisoğlu, Nispell and 7 other people liked this
"Italy's constitutional court has overturned a law granting Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi immunity from prosecution while in office. The move opens the possibility that Mr Berlusconi could stand trial in at least three court cases, including one in which he is accused of corruption. The judges said immunity violated the principle that all citizens were equal. Mr Berlusconi said he had expected the ruling as the court was made up of left-wing judges, and would not resign."
- winckel
from Bookmarklet
he had been trying his luck for too long, I'd say...
- A.T.
and he made also effort to make less friends not only at home, but also abroad - I guess, Tapio should agree on that...
- A.T.
Townshift (my first attempt at tilt shift) - http://onwave.posterous.com/townshi...
Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ, Durukan Duru, Iván Abrego and 5 other people liked this
Hey, Steve Ballmer, IE is a "rounding error" for traffic that matters.
DGentry, Peter, Thomas Power and 3 other people liked this
Of course, it's not a huge surprise that Slashdot readers of a Google article don't fancy IE. (Google Analytics data)
- Louis Gray
from email
(a) where's it say a rounding error and (b) four people search for 'google video sex'?
- Bryce Roney
Bryce, IE is in single digits. And yes, Google Video Sex has been a popular search term for my site going back two years.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Louis, what Google Analytics app are you using in this picture?
- Charles
Understanding User Interface in Android - Part 3: More Views | mobiForge - http://mobiforge.com/develop...
Nils Sandin, Tim Hoeck, Oytnx and 3 other people liked this
"In this article, we shall continue our exploration of another three categories of views - Picker views, List views, and Display views."
- imabonehead
from Bookmarklet
Zipalign: an easy optimization - http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009...
achean and Christoph Studer liked this
Why this need to be explicit? Why not align automatically (transparently) on build or even during installation on the device?
- Alexey Gopachenko
Kirk Cameron's 'Origin Of Species' Plan: Ex-Actor To Distribute 50,000 Altered Darwin Books - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
tinypants - Hagitha of FF, Andy Bakun, Penguin It's Cold Outside and 18 other people liked this
"...would that be okay with you...? ...Kirk?" heh heh, love that response!
- Edward Zwart
from Bookmarklet
Our cute little friend is back. ...and the girl too.
- Edward Zwart
That's a great shot of him. Really conveys the pleading of his conscience to stop this madness.
- Lucas Parker
I want that special edition of 'The Origin of Species'. If any of you get the opportunity, please grab one for me.
- Eivind
I know, that'll be a collector some day!
- Edward Zwart
I found the 50 page introduction on their page: http://assets.livingwaters.com/pdf...
- Eivind
From the intro: "Consider for a moment whether you could ever believe this publication happened by accident. Here’s the argument: There was nothing. Then paper appeared, and ink fell from nowhere onto the flat sheets and shaped itself into perfectly formed letters of the English alphabet. Initially, the letters said something like this: “fgsn&k cn1clxc dumbh cckvkduh vstupidm ncncx.” As...
more...
- Eivind
Yes, yes I see...
- Edward Zwart
"Here are some interesting questions for the thinking evolutionist: Can you explain which came first—the blood or the heart—and why? Did the heart in all these different species of fish, reptiles, birds, and mammals evolve before there were blood vessels throughout their bodies? When did the blood evolve? Was it before the vessels evolved or after they evolved? If it was before, what...
more...
- Eivind
This one I haven't heard before :)
- Eivind
So because Kirk is too stupid to figure out how the cardio-pulmonary system evolved that invalidates the theory of evolution? Funny, if I had known that was how science works, I would have skipped all that dang learnin' and just started disproving stuff.
- Alex Scoble
"Do you believe that nothing created everything? If you do, then your “nothing” isn’t nothing. It is something because it had the amazing ability to create everything. So do you then believe that something created everything, although you are not sure what that something was?51 Keeping in mind that the most intelligent of human beings can’t create a grain of sand from nothing, do you...
more...
- Eivind
Did they just quote-mine Albert Einstein?
- Lucas Parker
"Many of our greatest scientists believed in the existence of a Creator: Galileo, Newton, Nicholas Copernicus, Francis Bacon, Michael Faraday, Louis Pasteur and Kepler, just to name a few." Nice. Can we also point out that Galileo was almost burnt at the stake by the church for improving upon and promoting Copernicus' work...which Copernicus DIDN'T promote more because he was afraid of...
more...
- Dan C
Hehe, you seem disappointed they didn't provide a balanced an fair bio on these scientists, Dan. Well, that's just not "the way of the master" :)
- Eivind
I loved the response video.
- Shannon Jiménez
Eivind, you asked about getting a copy... http://www.livingwaters.com/index...
- Edward Zwart
Canadians can look for the handouts at these Universities: Ottawa University, Carleton University, Queen's University, University of Toronto, York University, McMaster University, Guelph University, Brock University, U of Western Ontario, Concordia University, McGill University, U of New Brunswick, Memorial U of Newfoundland, Dalhousie University, University of Manitoba, U of Saskatchewan, University of Alberta, University of Calgary, Simon Fraser University, U of British Columbia, University of Victoria
- Victor Kamutzki
The response video was awesome! Who is that girl?
- Gordon Herd
Nov 19 @ UVic. It's on the calendar. ...gonna try to save Eivind $5.
- Edward Zwart
I want one too!
- David (slumrig)
++ Alex - man, I don't understand how ships in a bottle are made. Does that mean they're against god? (also - yeah, I want one of those books; they're going to be collectors items pretty soon, I think.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
@Sustained - I look at it this way - I am religious, but I very, very much believe in the scientific method. Religious beliefs don't preclude rigorous science, in the same way that I don't believe you need religious beliefs to be a moral/ethical person. People are always trying to tie those things together.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yes, but obviously, rational thought precludes you being Kirk Cameron.
- Alex Scoble
I'm with you Sustained. Science and religion are incompatible, if by religion you mean accepting things on faith, ie, without evidence.
- Edward Zwart
Er, why? If I believe in god, why does that make me bad at conducting a double-blind study or filling pipettes? There's no good evidentiary support for that. That, in and of itself, is bad science. With that, I'm pretty much checking out of this conversation.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Is there good evidence for believing in god?
- Edward Zwart
@Edward - no, and (unlike Kirk) I'm not making that argument. Is there good evidence that scientists who are religious are bad at their jobs?
- Jennifer Dittrich
I suppose if you said, I am scientific at all times other than when I am being religious, I'd nod, but that's my point, they're incompatible.
- Edward Zwart
Fair enough, I think we agree. I'm fine with saying that scientists who are religious are not (necessarily as a result of being religious) bad at their jobs. But that's not inconsistent with saying the two are incompatible. They're simply no longer religious when they're doing (good, anyway) science.
- Edward Zwart
Well, no matter what, I think we can agree that this altered book is a great example of bat-shit craziness run amok.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Thanks for trying to get me a copy, Ed. You will of course get your reward in heaven ;)
- Eivind
Agreed Jennifer. And soon to be a collector's item!! (I hope) :)
- Edward Zwart
Have you seen the "atheist nightmare" video, Dave? These guys have been infamous on atheist websites for a while now. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Eivind
The video on their site is hilarious!!! "Did you know that every day, 150,000 people die?!!!" No shit, you're just learning this now? Later... "...the secret is, to bypass the intellect.." uh huh, more for the same shitless category...
- Edward Zwart
Just wanted to say that I second pretty much everything Jennifer said. Also, as a scientist and a believer in God, I have absolutely no problem reconciling my beliefs with the Theory of Evolution. I think it's ridiculous for someone to say that you have to either be 100% science or 100% religious. If there were no middle ground, it would be a sad, sad world indeed! The fact that I can have faith in something which may not have supporting "evidence" does not make me less rigorous of a scientist.
- Jenny R.
I simply fear The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
What's middle ground here, Jenny? Are you 50% god and 50% science (whatever that means)? I guess the belief that a supreme being created the universe and the laws of nature (deism) and then stepped back is compatible with science, but I don't think Christianity (or other forms of theim) is. Believing in the bible means believing the laws of nature doesn't always apply.
- Eivind
And how do you decide when to be "scientific" (rely on evidence) and when to be religious (rely on faith)? Is there ever a time when it "really matters" that you choose door #2?
- Edward Zwart
I don't consult God when using the scientific method. Religion does not factor into my interpretation of my results. I believe in a divine creator, but that doesn't change the fact that I completely value and accept scientific findings. It's not about "choosing" to be either scientific or religious at any given moment. I follow and use science. Just because science has not provided...
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- Jenny R.
And there are plenty of religious scholars, philosophers, etc. who pursue their questioning of religion as objectively, thoroughly and as skeptically as any scientist. They just aren't on TV...much.
- Alex Scoble
Just as a side note, I caution people who "believe" in science like it's infallible. Science is done by people and people make mistakes. I couldn't tell you how many papers I have read with some earth-shattering idea, only to be contradicted in future studies. I think as long as one is mindful of the limitations of science, they're okay. There's a lot going on out there that we just can't understand or explain, despite our best, most earnest efforts. :-/
- Jenny R.
Of course people make mistakes! Science is full of that! Another mistake people could be cautioned about is believing in a divine creator even though there's no evidence for one.
- Edward Zwart
Jenny, in which gods do you believe?
- Dan C
Yep, the idea that we can't understand everything about the universe is actually scientific theory backed by rigorous evidence.
- Alex Scoble
So "god of the gaps" is the solution then?
- Eivind
I believe in a creator and a judge, God. I was raised as a Christian, but left the "fold" a long time ago. My spiritual philosophy comes from a mixture of Buddhism, Taoism, and Christianity.
- Jenny R.
What are the criteria for the judgment? The bible, parts of the bible, the golden rule?
- Eivind
DAMIT EIVIND! I was JUST about to post this: So does that mean you simply pick and choose the tidbits you like from each of those religions? What are your criteria for choosing?
- Dan C
Come on Eivind, quit stealing my ideas! lol
- Dan C
Great minds think alike, eh? :-p
- Eivind
Another related question... similar to the one I asked above, when is it okay to pick and choose what you like, and when do you have to rely on science? When is picking not enough?
- Edward Zwart
I mean, why bother with science at all if you can pick and choose?
- Edward Zwart
(Sorry, don't mean to bombard you with questions, but I hope you answer.)
- Edward Zwart
My question to you is: Why do you care what I believe or the origins of my belief? Do you really care or are you trying to undermine someone's faith? I have already stated that my faith does not affect how I use the scientific method. As someone who is 100% in support of the Theory of Evolution, I assure you, I am not the "enemy." I have never been able to figure out why people without...
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- Jenny R.
To answer your question, Jenny: I am very fascinated by and interested in how people customize and adapt their religion to the society at large. How they tend to stick with the religion they happen to be born into, and how religious believes are also influenced by fashion (like the trendiness of eastern religions/philosophy atm.). Your particular blend is a very interesting (and maybe...
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- Eivind
@Eivind- I had a pretty extreme religious upbringing that nearly resulted in me losing my faith completely. It was only through a period of intense prayer/meditation that my answers came to me. I am definitely aware of the trendiness of Eastern religions at the moment. ;-) I don't like labeling myself as any particular thing because I don't really "fit" anything. Someone mentioned the...
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- Jenny R.
Good for you, Jenny, you've come a long way :) Sure you don't want to take that final step? Remember: we atheists do it unsupervised ;)
- Eivind
Jenny, we're not trying to attack you, although I can see how our "barrage" of questions could give that impression. Also, I'm sure I also speak for Eivind and Ed when I say that I know quite well how it feels to be repeatedly made to explain and defend your worldview, so I understand how our questions might annoy you. But like Eivind said, it's honest curiosity. If you're right and I'm...
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- Dan C
I'll go one further.. Yes, I'm genuinely curious about the phenomenon of belief in something that cannot be explained by someone who is obviously a scientist. But yes, I also want to undermine your beliefs. You see, I think believing something when there's no evidence for it is something we should shed rather than respect. There are all sorts of behaviors that once were considered...
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- Edward Zwart
So.. please read this when your being a scientist: how do you chose between scientific and being religious? (And yes, I've played my hand by saying I do want to undermine your beliefs, but I also have the goal of making the world a better place.)
- Edward Zwart
Yes, I am sure I don't want to take that final step. :-) Dan, there is no way for me to say I am right and you are wrong. I don't judge people for being Bible-thumpers or for being atheists. It is their choice and I respect that. The problem for me is that I get flack from both sides. More often than not, I am trying to convince a die-hard Christian that evolution makes sense, just let...
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- Jenny R.
@Edward I am not sure I see the argument against belief that you are trying to make. Certainly we learn over time that certain traditions are not beneficial to us as humans. Having faith in a power larger than ourselves does not seem to relate well to your examples. People have been paying homage to Gods and higher powers on this planet for millennia. The faces and names have changed...
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- Jenny R.
For the sake of "texture" I'd like to say that having a belief in something greater out there may be the only thing that keeps some of us going day after day. I, for one, could not imagine a more dismal existence than believing this life on Earth is a complete fluke, nothing more than coincidence or luck. That being said, to each his/her own. :-)
- Jenny R.
Jenny, I just want to point out that I don't see it as my choice to be an atheist. I can't really make a choice to believe or not to believe something. I can choose (to a certain degree) to trust different sources or not to trust them, but being an atheist is a result of a rejection of several ancient sources while accepting/taking inspiration from the works of some great men. It's not like I can just choose to "switch sides" now (although I can pretend).
- Eivind
I am definitely not missing the utter beauty of life as it exists on earth, whether blooming for a day or persisting hundreds of thousands of years (although I don't find cockroaches beautiful, I marvel at their staying power). There is no doubt that I feel most spiritual when surrounded by the raw, natural beauty on this planet and decidedly uncomfortable sitting in a church. I am...
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- Jenny R.
Jenny, your reduction of life on Earth to mere coincidence severely misrepresents both abiogenesis and evolution. Could you clarify that statement?
- Mark
Eeep! Hope your son is ok!
- Mark
Jenny, the answer I'm looking for is the one to the question that I have put to you now several times: How do you decide when to apply scientific principles versus religious ones? When do you require evidence, and when faith? For instance, when you are studying ecology, I doubt that you would argue one theory's merits over another's by saying that many ecologists believe it and have...
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- Edward Zwart
More questions.... If evolution is true, and it was set in motion by a divine creator, at what point to species get souls? Does a salmon have one? Do they have ten commandments? Four only (one for each fin)? As Dave asks, as a scientist, what do you do with the hypothesis that the human brain, and its evolution, is responsible for the invention of the belief in a higher power? Does that hypothesis have ANY merit worth considering?
- Edward Zwart
LOL You guys are a tough crowd! Suffice it to say, a higher power gets a pass from me because it's *my* spirituality, *my* beliefs, and I am not trying to sell them to a single, solitary person, not even my own children. I leave it up to every individual to live their life the way they want to. I am never going to be able to explain in a way that satisfies you how I can be a scientist...
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- Jenny R.
I think you've explained it fully. You simply do not apply scientific principles while having faith. We started there. The two are incompatible. My question is how you decide which to apply and when. Saying that goddidit, and then encountering evolution, and replying, goddidit, and then when we discover that maybe we invented god, you just replied: goddidthattoo. :) This sort of...
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- Edward Zwart
Sorry, Jenny, I just have to ask one more thing (for now). How can you not try and "sell" your believes to your children when you believe in a judging god? Won't that put them in risk of going to hell? Won't you even warn them?
- Eivind
@Eivind We're going to have to start a new discussion elsewhere so I don't have to look at Kirk Cameron's creepy-looking mug any more. ;-) I can get away with not selling my personal beliefs to my children and not worrying about their eternal souls by teaching them to be good people. The Golden Rule is, well, golden at our house. I don't think that someone has to pray to or worship a...
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- Jenny R.
BTW, I believe you when you say that you consider dozens of hypotheses, and that you choose to spend your time pursuing other answers, and I completely respect that. But, I *would* like to point out that considering how you decide between being religious or scientific is not *that* tough a question... and you still haven't answered it! ;)
- Edward Zwart
@Edward Seeing as how I don't belong to any particular religion, I am hesitant to even use the term "religious," but I will for the sake of this discussion. I am "religious" when it comes to my belief in a higher power. I am "religious" when I pray at night. I am "religious" when I marvel in awe at the beauty in this world that I believe to be the ultimate creation of God. I am...
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- Jenny R.
Jenny, you say, "it's *my* spirituality, *my* beliefs, and I am not trying to sell them to a single, solitary person," and yet you ARE trying to stop other people from having their equally valid beliefs about creationism! What's different about *their* spirituality and *your* spirituality, and why do they have to give up theirs and accept evolution when you get to keep your irrational beliefs about the origin of life?
- Dan C
...and I agree that it's annoying having to see Kirk every time I come to check this conversation.
- Dan C
Officially done with this discussion. Thanks to all who were civil.
- Jenny R.
Are you implying that I'm not being civil? I'm just trying to understand what appears to me to be a contradiction. You say it's wrong for people to have irrational beliefs about the origin of species, but that it's ok for you to have your own irrational beliefs about the origin of life. That's all. What part of that is not civil?
- Dan C
I'll answer you with Jenny's exact words: "After learning about how natural selection works and the simplicity and beauty of Darwin's Theory, I was an instant convert. It's been my "mission" ever since to teach others about these concepts so they can see for themselves that there really is no controversy and the Theory of Evolution makes perfect sense." So I'm just trying to figure out...
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- Dan C
The fact that the two belief systems co-exist peacefully in Jenny's life is precisely what I've been questioning all along! I happen to believe one half of that co-existence is completely fabricated. I guess, wink wink, if I just tried a little harder... Still curious when souls appeared...
- Edward Zwart
Threadsy might just make me miss Friendfeed less... https://www.threadsy.com/
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Not loading for me at the time, so dunno what to think.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Neither the picture or the link are working for me.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
slashdot effect?
- Michael Turner
What can I say. Getting sick of people not anticipating success. I mean, you're at TC50, you're (apparently) launching a geek's wet dream, so, yeah, of course you don't need a lot of servers. So Twitter-like for now, I stopped caring.
- Vlad Bobleanta
And, anyway, where are the invites?
- Vlad Bobleanta
Worked fine for me. They say filling out their survey will expedite your invite. We'll see, I just submitted mine.
- Kenton
Watching their TC50 keynote http://bit.ly/CWKGv
- Mac64
Tough choice for my future communication service... Google Wave or Threadsy???
- Philippe
Signed up for it and filled the survey which is a nice way of extracting information from people that are eager to try it out.
- Usman Bashir
What's the deal in the survey where we promise not to blog about it?
- Raphael, Raphael
Too early to tell what it's like Zee as it's just a request for an invite. Is the promise not to blog a clever marketing ploy I wonder? One thing - it always frustrates me that when I fill out my UK address on most sites it still insists on my filling out a state (or I can't register). We don't have 'states' in the UK so why try and appeal internationally and then limit it to US subscribers - unless we make up an address as I just have!
- PaulJohnson
I just put UK when it asks for my state, most forms dont seem to bother checking its really valid as long as you put something in :)
- Simon Wicks
Seems like Threadsy sits between FriendFeed & Google Wave. Frankly I'm not willing to invest in another product till after trying Wave with others.
- CannonGod
CannonGod: but how long will it be until Wave is accessible by the general public? I thought it was gonna be a while like a year or more.
- Bryan Lee
I'm with CannonGod on this one if it sits between FF and Wave - seems better to just invest in Wave
- Wang Yip
@Bryan: Google Wave is expected for release by the end of September. Threadsy might have known this and decided to release just before to get some coverage.
- CannonGod
@CannonGod: Good to know!
- Bryan Lee
I sent in email and survey some hours ago. Still nothing.
- Manuel Mas
Just got my invite and started playing with Threadsy. So far I like the AJAX-y inbound box. Can't test the unbound box too much because overall my friends are not into social sites. Bummer!
- Philippe
I'm still waiting for my invite.
- Manuel Mas
Got my invite now but will check it out in the morning.
- Usman Bashir
And it seems giving them information did help getting the invite faster.
- Usman Bashir
I love that it allows you to manage multiple email accounts, including Google apps accounts!
- Jon Gosier
from iPhone
Still no invite...
- Manuel Mas
Is there anyone out there with a better video demonstration of the product?
- Manuel Mas
Had my invite but suddenly lost access to the site. When I tried to log in one day after first successfully accessing the site, I got this error message: "couldn't log you in with that information". :(
- Philippe
I tried to reset my password and I get this message: "success! we just sent an email to you at". I did not leave my email address out of this message, this is exactly what I get on my screen and one day later I am still awaiting my password reset. I have a bad feeling about this one... :(
- Philippe
Trying it out now but cant seem to add facebook or any other services expect gmail & twitter.
- Usman Bashir
I'm getting jealous here.
- Manuel Mas
Whoa! This comment stream escaped my notice. We're trying to get threadsy invites out as quickly as possible to everyone who requests one. Thanks for your patience!
- scott
trying it, wish there was a way to filter the twitter stream
- Kim Landwehr
NO DAMN WAY!! FF is the best the greatest ever.. no real alternative
- FFTornado
Still no Threadsy invite...
- Manuel Mas
Got my invite on Friday night but I haven't tried it yet. The lack of OAuth etc for the various accounts makes me a little worried about putting in my details. For Gmail you just enter your username and password. There's no 'getting permission from Google' stage. It's a shame because I really want to try it...
- Martin Bryant
Invites please? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Martin Bryant: Thats the exact issue i have with it, i did try it out but giving it login details to so many important accounts is the wrong way forward they should look in to other methods of solving this issue like the OAuth, Facebook Connect & etc.
- Usman Bashir
And another day without an invite...
- Manuel Mas
It's great for Facebook and Twitter, but it lacks the features of a full email client. This is a good trend in computing, where people can choose apps independent of the protocol.
- Raphael, Raphael
Linux Genuine Advantage™ - http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/
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"Linux Genuine Advantage™ is an exciting and mandatory new way for you to place your computer under the remote control of an untrusted third party! According to an independent study conducted by some scientists, many users of Linux are running non-Genuine versions of their operating system. This puts them at the disadvantage of having their computers work normally, without periodically phoning home unannounced to see if it's OK for their computer to continue functioning. These users are also missing out on the Advantage of paying ongoing licensing fees to ensure their computer keeps operating properly. To remedy this, we have created a new program available as a required free download: Linux Genuine Advantage™!"
- Eivind
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A Sip of Conflict
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"The water in this drinking fountain is perfectly clean, and the toilet had never been used. So why do people often hesitate before taking a drink? Strong emotional associations with objects or people can make it difficult to act rationally around them."
- April Buchheit
from email
What are you doing!?! What if I were showing someone FriendFeed right now and toilets showed up? Some people. ;-) [Listen to FFundercats to get the inside joke.]
- Bruce Lewis
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." :)
- April Buchheit
from iPhone
I'm not sure how I feel about that retort -- I guess a mixture of horror and amusement.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
That's very interesting. I feel hesitant when I use Buddyfeed on the iPhone or see FF posts in some RSS feed as well. I am so conditioned to see posts in their native format and on /iphone to a lesser degree.
- Josh Haley
i don't think i could do it. NYC bred too much germophobia into me
- Felicia Yue
Extraordinary 19th century photographs of explorer's travels unearthed - and he painted the colours himself | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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"stunning collection of photographs taken by a 19th century globetrotter has caused a stir - because he meticulously painted the colours in himself. The amazing images shed new light on the world as it was more than 100 years ago, with vivid images of snake charmers, ships on the Suez Canal and fighting Sikhs, among others. Henry Harrison, a Royal Navy Paymaster General, took the black and white pictures on his voyages around the globe and, because he was a talented artist, was able to painstakingly colour them in."
- Eivind
from Bookmarklet
Review of Patry's MORAL PANICS AND THE COPYRIGHT WARS by @doctorow: http://www.boingboing.net/2009... Love the comparison to other panics
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Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America' - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
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"Creation, starring Paul Bettany, details Darwin's "struggle between faith and reason" as he wrote On The Origin of Species. It depicts him as a man who loses faith in God following the death of his beloved 10-year-old daughter, Annie. The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia. However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution. Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic...
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- Richard pancakhaus Walker
from Bookmarklet
*facepalm* and *headdesk*
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Way to edumacate the people by not edumacating them *sigh*
- Rene Wirtz
Pretty messed up that the would dismiss a movie just like that.
- Jeremy˚H
You've got to be kidding me. This is terrible.
- Lucas Parker
This kind of shit is embarrassing :P
- martha
So Expelled is ok, but a reasonable film about Darwin isn't? Those people are seriously screwed in the head. But we knew that already.
- Mark
This just makes me want to see it.
- April Buchheit
me either.
- Mycaptain
I guess the US distributors aren't interested in marketing to that 39%. Good to know.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
By contrast, MGM released a film about Martin Luther in 2003 even though roughly 5% of the U.S. population identifies as Lutheran.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
We are a bunch of conservative morons here in the states. Damn, and I was hoping to see this flick too.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
from Android
Debates about Darwin look like they will never be outdated.
- Durukan Duru
Solutions evolve too. I guess we'll just have to pirate it.
- Andy Bakun
This has nothing to do with religion. It will find a distribution channel one way or the other. This is a business decision, and it is NOT based on religion, however, it certainly generates publicity for the film.
- Kittyburgers
I wonder where they get their statistics. Nobody ever asked *me* if I believe in Evolution. Have "they" asked any of you?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
That 39% figure is depressing. 50% or even 70% is still disappointing. Looking forward to finding a way to see this movie.
- Kurt Starnes
As an American, I'm not surprised. We have a lot of idiots here. I mean, I live in Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the country (our state has gay marriage, almost-universal health care, one of the top education systems in the country, etc) and I STILL deal with these morons on a regular basis.
- Dan C
@Kittyburgers: It's a business decision based on the expected response of those who are ideologically committed to an anti-Darwin stance (you could say they are faithful to hating Darwin and everything associated with him). The ideology is religious so it clearly has a lot to do with religion.
- Mark
Oh give me a break ... you don't really believe that, do you? The only religion it's based on is the almighty dollar, geesh! ;)
- Kittyburgers
from IM
I would be really pissed off if I was an American. So many things to be proud of, but this just ain't one of them...
- Edward Zwart
@Kittyburgers: I don't buy the argument that this was solely a business decision. There are plenty of films that get produced and released even though they will appeal to relatively small audiences. Historical biopics generally aren't blockbusters, but they still get made. So why refuse to show a Darwin film?
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I don't think this has anything to do with nationality, or national pride for that matter. The next thread will be something like: "The film they didn't want you to see", or "Banned in the USA" ... good grief! Something tells me Americans will actually get a chance to see this film, even if it's a limited release in certain cities. And that's despite of all those "crazy Christian people" protesting its release.
- Kittyburgers
@Kittyburgers: The other thing about the "business decision" excuse is that business decisions are always shaped by the beliefs and prejudices of the people making the decisions.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
All publicity is good publicity and to be honest without having read this thread, I would probably not have gone out of my way to find this film now I probably will.
- Eric Logan
What the hell happened to this country? We've been more conservative than most of Europe for most of the 20th century, that I can accept. But we used to be into science and separation of Church & State. Once upon a time... I'm tired of being surrounded by flat earther theocrats.
- Spidra Webster
I will add one thing: that's a crazy-looking Charles Darwin!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
The problem is that the mainstream media is afraid of offending anyone, lest those offended stop watching and their ratings decrease. There has been PLENTY of news coverage of the "birthers" (those who believe Obama was not born in America and thus is not eligible to be president), the "teabaggers (those who protested Obama "taking away our freedom" and other such vagueness by invoking...
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- Dan C
I think we need another cold war. Science and math seemed to be pretty popular then. You know with the whole "Oh crap, they're way smarter then us, we better do some catching up." And lol teabag...
- Heather
Good idea, heather... How about the notion that China is beating the U.S. in graduating engineers or what have you.... it gives me some comfort that this item got so much attention, regardless :-)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Of course it's a national travesty. But then a decent health care system and the metric system still evades this beacon of light, so maybe it's to be expected. But I've still got my money on the smart people winning the day and knocking down a bit of all this fear of change...
- Edward Zwart
The metric system??? NOW THAT'S JUST UNAMERICAN!!!
- Dan C
Indeed!
- Kittyburgers
from IM
Thousands call for Turing apology - BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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I had no idea they forced him to get chemically castrated after he admitted he was gay. Disgusting. I hope the government officially apologizes for killing one of the great minds of that generation.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
More here. Includes link to the Downing St. petition: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news...
- Richard Chen
how very sad.
- Sheila Taylor
Pretty bad for the "good guys" in WWII, eh? Doubly sad that it (apparently) caused him to commit suicide. So we lost one of the greatest minds in computer science in his early 40s.
- Joel Webber
What a sad story... I hope they do apologize. Here's a link to the petition, but you have to live in the UK to sign: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing...
- Shannon Jiménez
If the British government doesn't apologize for murdering Turing, they will be no better than the Nazi enemy that threw homosexuals into the gas chambers alongside the Jews and Gypsies. Wasn't he supposed to be on *our* side? The *Law* didn't think so...
- Dennis Jernberg
We're still not very nice to gays. Apologizing for the past makes a statement. Correcting the present makes a difference in people's lives. I hope we do both.
- Andrew Warner
from iPhone
The man was an absolute genius, its a pity he could not live further to expand our horizons of thinking. His abstract computing device called "Turing Machine" is for computer scientists what speed of light is for physicists, an ultimate limit of computation
- thequark
Andrew agree. This is sad. I hope we can "correct the present."
- Rick Cogley
They should apologize for throwing Oscar Wilde in the clink as well.
- Joel Webber
If we follow the line of reasoning where the current government must apologize for all previous governments then it eventually reaches the point of absurdity. Besides how meaningful is an apology on behalf of someone else?
- Adewale Oshineye
Ok, I was being a bit silly about Wilde (there are plenty of things the Victorians could apologize for). But Turing was abused by what could be argued to be the "current" government (or at least political system), and that we still think of as the "good guys" (for wont of a better term) in WWII. And it was only ~50 years ago.
- Joel Webber
ACM Statement Regarding British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's Apology on the Treatment of Alan Turing ACM (09/11/09) Hall, Wendy ACM applauds Prime Minister Brown's statement on the treatment of Alan Turing, writes Dame Professor Wendy Hall, ACM President. ACM has long celebrated the fundamental contributions of Alan M. Turing not only for his instrumental role in British code-breaking...
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- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Dutch cops think they have the marijuana bust of the century...but the crop they destroyed was actually an academic test site for research into hemp use in the fiber industry - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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Had to insert my middle name to make it effective: "Victor Bernard Kamutzki's anagram name is BUTT RAZOR KIND MAVERICK". Damn. Did I just post that??
- Victor Kamutzki
Using my full name as on my birth certificate I get "JERK MANLY CHEEK NOT"... I think I may change my legal name to "Jerk Manly"! :o)
- Ken Morley
SHRIVELED, BENIGN SIN
- Eivind
Whoa! ;o)
- Ken Morley
Mine seemed very apropos: "I am an old hen."
- Dinah
lmao
- Eivind
Haha!
- Ken Morley
Three choices depending on middle name use and short first name...JEER CANNABIS or JEER LESBIAN ACNE or BEANS 'N' JAR
- Janice
love it Eivind LMAO!
- Janice
Hm, I get "I'M THE MEEK GENIUS"
- Tanath
My wife's is: RED-HANDED, COSMIC FLATULENCY
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Mine's much better with the middle name too. A LEWD UPWARD TZAR, or A PREWAR WALTZ DUD, or my fave LAZED PAW WAR TURD
- Edward Zwart
DUG ODD SALIVA - ha ha
- David (slumrig)
JOVIAL, AGED, SAD MUDS with middle name
- David (slumrig)
"JERKY LEMON" with middle initial.
- Ken Morley
lol, nice one
- Edward Zwart
11 Funniest Famous Comedians Who Attack Religion - http://thelaughtrack.com/2009...
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