We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
I am hoping this will lead to nice integration for cross posting! Currently using Twitter App on FB to post and I hate those ff.im links that end up on Facebook.
- Ivan Zlatev
it was good while it lasted, Friendfeed. :(
- holly
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user.
- Scott of Two Countries
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy.
- Michael Leggett
@#$& that's all I have to say. For now.
- Zachary TG
Facebook should have been aquired by Friendfeed. Why they hell would you give up your better product to a worse one? Did none of you give a shit about this service to begin wiht?
- Matthew DeVries
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes!
- Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened?
- Tyson Key
I'm pissed off. I wan to throw away the whole Internet :
- DarkBls
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make.
- Hector
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward.
- Harry Wolff
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>(
- Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Congratulations. Enjoy the new challenges of acquisition, and I'm looking forward to the result!
- Wade Dorrell
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars
- Berge Gazen
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats!
- Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead...
- Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool.
- jkkmobile
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail.
- dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :(
- Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook?
- Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck.
- Joey Gibson
There is zero way this could have been a win for anyone, but the now rich founders.
- Matthew DeVries
If I have to go to FB to use FF then it's a lost cause
- Randy Pollock
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/
- Tyson Key
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks.
- Steve C
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though.
- Jay Farmington
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I read the blog post and one statement stands out to me "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being." The time being. This is not just bad, I think it may be #FAIL
- berchman
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though.
- Voyagerfan5761
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;)
- Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?"
- Brian Bommarito
Congrats guys. And thanks for your continuos effort in helping promote and integrate web services, like mine, Wakoopa. That's awesome and I hope FB gets better because of it.
- Robert Gaal
This will give FriedFeed the attention it deserves. Otherwise it would have been a geek thing forever.
- Michael Netsch
Will there be a super poke feature launched tomorrow?
- Matthew DeVries
aw, this sux!! Congrats to the Friendfeed team though!
- acedanger
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin?
- Tyson Key
Some people will do whatever their friends request........
- Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about?
- Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form.
- Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me.
- Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us
- Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting.
- Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed...
- Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you.
- Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see...
- Daniel Morgan
Given that the FriendFeed team has never been anything but awesome & respectful of its community, I think it's unfair for people to assume that the Facebook acquisition is going to change that.
- Jess Lee
Why in god's name are we flying over this shark?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
- Matthew DeVries
Facebook is like a giant who listens to nobody. Please keep your attitude but I don't think you will be able to do so.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it?
- Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether?
- Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step!
- Robin Barooah
Robin, the Facebook users don't want that I'm afraid.
- Rutger Blom
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. -
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users.
- Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends...
- CannonGod
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- Alper Ömer Esin
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook.
- Zio Bonino
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook?
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck.
- Jim Hearts FF
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything.
- Zio Bonino
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future.
- Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too.
- Vishal Verma
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what?
- paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook.
- Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed!
- Alex Lomas
The FF founders must have know this would be a very unpopular move. Most users I know here are not too fond of FB.
- Rutger Blom
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" There's a bit of a contradiction in your statement, Bret. Nice try though.
- jcunwired
Now I can break my Internet plan at home.
- DarkBls
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there.
- Michael Netsch
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now.
- ayca
It's all about the money. I would have payed a couple of dollars each month to use FF.
- Rutger Blom
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys.
- Chieze Okoye
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done.
- Kevin J Hatton
I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm not saying this is a bad thing (it certainly isn't for the owners of FF). I'm willing to sit back and see what happens.
- Jason Huebel
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users.
- Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties?
- Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team
- Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea.............
- Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on...
- Tate DA FF MVP
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would.
- Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook?
- Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook.
- Andy Bakun
My biggest concern here is that FB has a completely different audience than FF.
- Rutger Blom
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn.
- Jeremy Buff
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone.
- tollie williams
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it.
- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
Well, I guess it is time to dismantle my friendfeed. We all know where this is headed. So, so glad I didn't move all my rss feeds from greader to friendfeed like so many cheerleaders suggested.
- Matthew Speicher
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake.
- Don Faulkner
My big question to everybody here is this: What are the potential downsides / upsides to this acquisition? I mean on paper I just don't see what the pros OR cons are. I don't care for Facebook but I don't see how them acquiring FF is going to change everything.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends!
- Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good.
- ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr...
- Kemal
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline.
- Ken Sheppardson
Don, I don't think FB wants to maintain two platforms.
- Rutger Blom
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff?
- Flavio
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years.
- Andy Bakun
Once again. I'm happy for the FF team. They worked hard and now collect. That's fair. Wonder if they're sitting in a bubble pool drinking champagne while we cry out here ;-)
- Rutger Blom
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is...
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- Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you!
- Michael Fidler
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining.
- ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long...
- Thomas Bøhm
ChaCha, if everybody would do that there would not be much discussion would there? This is part of the fun.
- Rutger Blom
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this?
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Don, I doubt there is any discussion going on there. They're too busy throwing quizes at each other.
- Rutger Blom
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end.
- Brian Chang
At least my Feedburner stats might go back to normal again.
- Rutger Blom
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;)
- Tyson Key
If anybody has doubts as to what happens to the FriendFeed community or our stored information here, read this statement from Bret (in this thread) "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users". Now maybe you can see "whats so bad about it" and curb your optimism. Not good.
- jcunwired
Congrats FF. Fix their live feed situation please.
- Edward Barnieh
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on?
- Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year?
- Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around.
- Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!!
- DanDan
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive.
- Sean Leather
Congrats. I suppose this means the end of FriendFeed but hopefully a better Facebook.
- Harry Toon
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though.
- Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq
- Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :)
- Owen Greaves
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :).
- Karthick R
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =)
- Anton
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate.
- Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time.
- Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that.
- Cassidy
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder.
- David Gaw
FAIL. Facebook is the new myspace, and now friendfeed will become a part of that BS. Can't say I'm too surprised because eventually we all sell out. BTW I don't see friendfeed lasting more than the rest of this year, if that. The good news is that we can all be subjected to add 'Are you related to a monkey?' and Blackjack apps while having annoying personal ads on our profile pages. Fuck this shit.
- Tomy Thomson
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪
- All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye.
- Micah Collard
The social community that has been behind FriendFeed creators have built a wonderful product. Only problem is, we don't have Zuck's checkbook :(
- jcunwired
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool.
- Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed!
- Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only.
- Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible.
- Mike Reynolds
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click
- Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues...
- Pon
And the metastasizing, walled-garden that is Facebook, continues to eat the Web. Bring on Google Wave.
- Christopher A Carr
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location
- Majento
There goes FriendFeed down the toilet. well I WAS having a good day. until hearing this crap!
- Scratch5150
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site.
- Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that!
- orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook.
- Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol...
- orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for.
- Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0
- ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*.
- Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :)
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here.
- Ken Morley
So what now? a name change too? FriendFace? FeedBook? FaceFeed? god Facebook really sucks. oh well. Adds anyone?
- Scratch5150
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat.
- Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it
- Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter.
- Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does
- Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see.
- Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :)
- Susan Beebe
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!..
- Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best.
- Ebru Baranseli
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;).
- Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned?
- Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years.
- Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all.
- timepilot
Dang! I've killed another site! Sorry guys... FF was doing fine until I started coming here again! Same with Pownce! Went there and liked it... went underground for a spell... came back and still liked it, so I stayed. A few months later... BOOM! I have the touch! (I'm thinking I'll start devoting a lot of time to Twitter... maybe I can kill that one, too!)
- Mark Jepsen
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors!
- Mike Lewis
Oh yeah? Ok: take tour money and go to the hell. :-(((
- Claude LaFrenière
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day.
- Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Well I've thought about it, and I'll stick around until I start seeing that crappy Facebook logo, I only have 71 subscribers here, I hate to do it but I'll probably scrap the whole thing and start over somewhere else. still can't believe that shit.
- Scratch5150
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though.
- Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn.
- Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad.
- Sally Church
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented
- Mike Chelen
from IM
I can't believe it either. I feel as if — for the moment — I am lost in the wilderness, adrift.
- roamin
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF.
- Vinko
Congrats Bret! Hope the transition goes smoothly for you guys.
- Cristo
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink*
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place.....
- Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies.
- Logan Lindquist
Now that you guys have $$$ you should swap out the not so very pleasing default avatar!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Hope you guys enjoy your new jobs. Meanwhile we get to watch a great alternative to Facebook with a promising future go down the tubes. A really sad and unfortunate day.
- Todd Holmes
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing.
- Paul Papadimitriou
FUCK. The internet just lost a good service. Friendfeed is dead
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations!
- krzychukula
from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer.
- kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!!
- Seo (ignobile) Guru
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF
- Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor...
- Alexander Kruel
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now!
- Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work!
- Alexander Gieg
Oh shit. Love FF, hate FB. I'll NEVER, EVER merge my two accounts. I'd rather unsub from both than merging. I'll wait for the developments, and in the meantime look for an alternative.
- Alliandre (la Ippe)
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder...
- Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012.
- Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week..
- Martynas
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again.
- Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P
- Don Faulkner
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together.
- Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation?
- orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love.
- Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about.
- Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious.
- Andrew Eglinton
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I mean Cool.
- sofarsoShawn
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil.
- whatidiscover
Facebook limits applications to 10 updates to your Facebook wall per day. If you're still having issues try visiting http://friendfeed.com/connect and/or remove and reinstall the Facebook application.
- Benjamin Golub
Ahh, I think I am running into the "10 updates to wall per day FB restriction". I just joined FF and was testing this functionality out this morning. So removing/re-installing the FB app (which I tried) won't do anything if I have already passed the "the 10 updates per day" restriction? Thanks for the feedback!!
- Kevin Whalen
Benjamin, I might have gone over 10 updates, but is it possible that the last one of the day arrived to FB and a previous one did not? Would it be possible to add a feature to choose which services send to the FB wall and which not to?
- Flavio
So do only FF messages post to the FB wall? Or will messages from other services (ex. Twitter) that post to FF also post to the FB wall?
- Kevin Whalen
All services go to FB (excepted those from FB itself). That is why I would like to choose: FB already imports Flickr, YouTube, Digg and more, so they are duplicated, while entries from FF or services not supported by FB might stay out as over quota.
- Flavio
I didn't see my twitter post on FF show up on my FB wall, but I think that's because I was already over the quota.
- Kevin Whalen
I'm now testing regular Facebook updates (no 10-item limit) coming from Twitter through another application, coming finally from FriendFeed updates sent to Twitter.
- Rodrigo
from IM
Right now, TwitterSync, but there are other ones — just make a search for applications using the keyword "Twitter". :)
- Rodrigo
from IM
@Rodrigo: thanks, but I want my tweets to appear on the wall, not to update the FB status. The original twitter app used to do it but stopped long time ago.
- Flavio
Ben - I tried uninstalling the app, but now I can't find the option to reinstall it. Something about not having the right "Pages" whatever that means.
- Patrick Lightbody
Patrick: sometimes Facebook gets into a funny state after you uninstall an app where it thinks you still have it installed. Try visiting http://friendfeed.com/connect.
- Benjamin Golub
Just can't seem to get FF to post to the FB wall.
- Kevin Whalen
The FF tab in FB works great! The wall updates with FF posts are just sporadic.
- Kevin Whalen
I'm only getting 1 update a day to my wall. This kinda defeats the point of friendfeed. I put all my settings to allow posting big items automatically, and I've removed and readded friendfeed, but no luck. This sucks.
- Sean Straus
My tweets go through friend feed to post onto my facebook wall, and it has been working great, until today when it just stopped. The tweents are on my friend feed but not my fb wall. So i thought it might be the 10 post thing. except i tested it and posted the friend feed, and that DID post to my wall. when i twittered. it appeared on my friend feed but not my fb wall...
- Steven Keevil
This is still a problem. Fairly new to Facebook, added the FF app, got a updates from FF to FB, then they stopped. I have given all permissions, etc. I don't believe I'm close to a 10 item limit, I don't see 10 FF updates total for the past week on FB.
- Ken Gidley
I just tried the remove FF app/re-add it - I got at least one update that way, I'll see how long I keep getting updates.
- Ken Gidley
Facebook shut me down...oh my only 10 updates to my wall? My wall has crumbled....:(
- bcultral
And I'm again not seeing any of my FF posts on my Facebook wall. Very frustrating.
- Ken Gidley
Is anyone at FF working on this problem? I've tried removing/re-adding the FF app to facebook several times, it doesn't seem to work anymore at all - I never get anything on my wall from FF now.
- Ken Gidley
Not working again. It seems to work for a few days and then stops updating the wall altogether. Sigh.
- Ken Gidley
Mine gave up the ghost yet again a few weeks ago and stopped posting anything after only posting about 2-3 of more than 10 updates a day. I'm trying the offline access now but have little hope after it never really working over the course of almost a year.
- Sean Straus
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Not new news, but it could be the launch of Silverlight 3.0? Offline mode and all the other nice bits, runs on Chrome and Firefox.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
14 billion, maybe Office that runs on Silverlight, therefore in the browser properly.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- Kirill Petrovsky
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme Flipo
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme Flipo
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- Павел Романовский
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
All google apps platform out of beta yesterday, now Chrome Os.. Is definitely the answer to Seven + Silverlight/OfficeOnLine Monday ;)
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
from iPhone
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Microsoft is finally putting the Zune out of it's (and out) misery and killing it? :)
- Diego Barros
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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- Avatar X
from FriendFoo
i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- Павел Романовский
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark - That's if you see tech journalists (which I don't think Robert even classifies himself as) as true hard hitting journalists (think woodward and burnstein, ed Murrow) or if you think of them in the vein of Sports writers. Sports writers, like tech writers, need to foster relationships and have their names known and have to cross closer into the friendzone to get us the day to day...
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- Matthew DeVries
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
Not even going to go for the Deep Throat joke... I swear, I'm not going to... :p
- Bill Heslin
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith Beucler
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Personally I think that this is a completely unsatisfactory and crappy response from SF Muni. SF Muni never apologizes to Plug1 (instead they try to cleverly apologize for the delay in responding instead in order to make it sort of sound like an apology when it isn’t one — how much do you want to bet that one of their lawyers drafted this one?). Further, I believe that their statement that their fare inspector was performing as they believed they were required for customer and employee safety is clear and utter bull shit. There was no “safety” issue. Plug1 was no threat to anyone. If Plug1’s description of this encounter is accurate, this was simply the case of a rogue Muni Transit law enforcement agent who didn’t want his photo taken and who decided to use his position as a law enforcement agent to try and intimidate a muni customer and SF citizen. By threatening to arrest Plug1 if he did not provide his camera to the officer he abused his power entrusted to him. This is wrong and...
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- Thomas Hawk
It is a pretty lame response, which makes me think that there won't be any re-training. It doesn't sound as though any training with regard to photography ever happened. I doubt there will be any disciplinary action for the officer who abused his authority, nor will an apology ever come from these folks. They're climbing in their bunker.
- William Beem
William, this is why it is important to pursue these cases legally if mere press and publicity can't get the job done alone. I'm increasingly of the opinion that it is going to take legal action that hits them in the pocketbook before these continuing cases of photographer harassment go away.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I wish you would have called Muni management of the carpet for their officer demanding that Plug1 show him the photos in his camera and threatening to arrest him if he didn't turn over possession of his camera and photos to the cop. This is clearly illegal, no law enforcement officer has a right to demand to look at your photos nor take possession of your camera with out a warrant, or unless you have been put under arrest.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff good point. They cannot take his camera or demand his property without cause. I mentioned this in a subsequent correspondence with them.
- Thomas Hawk
I have to admit I get a kick out of seeing how this "No Photos" policy has trickled down from sensitive military installations, etc. where one could sort of understand why they don't want you taking pictures of the security systems and procedures they have in place to even the most mundane infrastructure like MUNI. They don't really seem to understand *why* you wouldn't want people taking pictures of stuff, it's as if they've just watched too much CSI.
- Ken Sheppardson
There is nothing sensitive about photography on a Muni platform. This cop simply didn't want his photo taken and rather than ask nicely he decided to try and throw his weight around and threaten a photographer with arrest and make an illegal demand for his property. It shouldn't be tolerated.
- Thomas Hawk
I think it's more than that, Thomas. I think these guys genuinely believe it's security issue. It's not, but they don't know that. These guys think you shouldn't be taking pictures for the same reason restaurants pulled pork products over the last few weeks.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, that is the fault of MUNI management for not hiring qualified employees and not properly training them on the rules and laws that they are hired to enforce. These station attendants and security guards are acting as if they are qualified to be a police officer, judge and jury, but are only required have a High School education or GED as a prerequisite to the job. That is really frightening to me!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Actually these agents may not be sworn law enforcement based on this job description that I found. http://agency.governmentjobs.com/sfmuni... All the more reason if they are not though that they should not be threatening to arrest a muni patron.
- Thomas Hawk
From the MUNI Transit Fare Inspector job description "interact tactfully, courteously and professionally with Department personnel, with the general public and with others, and to be able to function effectively under stress, to be a team player and to maintain a professional demeanor in a variety of situations" I think this employee failed to live up to this part of their job description!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Anyone ever wonder why Thomas Hawk seems to always be getting in trouble for taking photos? Why Thomas? Plenty of other GOOD photographers never have the same issues you do.
- Loyd Schutte
I also notice you are trying to sell advertising on the Web site you post your pictures on. That makes it a "for profit" site. Did you get a release to use his picture?
- Loyd Schutte
You would think MUNI would hire some sort of PR rep to deal with this? They have such a shitty rep its bad.
- CW™
Loyd, I would answer you in saying that many photographers don't blog about their experience until recently. If you google it you will see many are complaining of the very same treatments.
- CW™
How do you figure CW? Blogging has been around since 2000 and the Internet long before? There are newspapers, books and professional journals. This seems very isolated to Thomas and his followers. As a professional photographer I've NEVER had these issues.
- Loyd Schutte
Lloyd, this incident didn't happen to me, you got that wrong, it happened to my friend. But your observation that some other GOOD photographers don't have the same issue is irrelevant. Hundreds of otherGOOD photographers besides me have. I shoot hundreds of photographs every single day. Show me another present day photographer that shoots as much as I do who is out on the street who...
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- Mrsth
Lloyd, I just looked at your website by the way. http://www.loydschutte.com/ It doesn't like like as a PROFESSIONAL photographer you do very much street photography yourself, what would you know about street photography anyways?
- Mrsth
Loyd, you are wrong! There are plenty of photographers at all levels, both armature as well as professional press photographers, who have no idea who Thomas Hawk is, who get unjustly hassled and even arrested on a daily basis for photographing in public places.
- Jeff P. Henderson
By the way Loyd, Google "photography is not a crime" in quotes. http://www.google.com/search... You'll find over 55,000 references to that phrase on Google. I assure you that most of these other instances have nothing to do with me or my "followers" that you allege. Are you saying that...
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- Mrsth
opps, was actually signed in as my wife when I was responding, those comments are from me Loyd.
- Thomas Hawk
How is my comment irrelevant? My thought is you are deliberately trying to provoke confrontation, as you are now. By even IMPLYING this has anything to do with racism you're attempting to provoke confrontation not to mention the pettiness of your personal attacks. You're a parent, an eloquent blogger/orator, and a damn good photographer, Thomas. Look at all the places you can friend...
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- Loyd Schutte
Loyd: I think when somebody makes comments like "Plenty of other GOOD photographers never have the same issues you do." and "Did you get a release to use his picture?" it sort of forfeits the high ground in the "provoke confrontation"/personal attack "pettiness" discussion.
- Ken Sheppardson
What I hear from Thomas is exactly "stick up for your rights". Just because someone with a badge tells you that you're not allowed to take photos where you are, doesn't mean they're right. It seems to me that you're saying people should blindly follow what they're told, never questioning anything.
- Jordan Hofker
Loyd, I think you were the one trying to provoke a confrontation by suggesting that this is not in fact a real and legitimate problem but rather something made up by me personally (the one you singled out in your personal attack). You tried to suggest that most GOOD (your emphasis) photographers (as opposed to the bad ones) don't seem to have this problem and that it seems to only...
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- Mrsth
the reality of the situation is that you are not out there every day shooting on the street. Best I can tell most of your photos are of meadows in Yosemite. Of course you are not likely to have a confrontation there, except possibly with some racoons or something. On the other hand try photographing cops, security guards, or anything else guarded by them and you very well may end up in...
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- Mrsth
"Rather than simply miss Jeff Wall’s work due to my dogmatic protest against the SF Moma’s anti-photography policy, I decided that I would go, but that I’d shoot anyways. Several times I was asked not to photograph and I’d comply when asked only to whip out the camera and begin shooting again in the next gallery. It did make for more difficult and challenging shooting (often times...
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- ld
Leather Donut. I frequently violate policies that I feel are unjust. I don't feel that a non-profit museum ought to be able to restrict photography. A public museum ought to be for the public benefit. This ought to include photography. Note that since that blog post in fact that the SF MOMA actually *changed* their photo policy. I'd like to think in part because people made a big deal out of the fact that their no photo policy was BS.
- Mrsth
this incident though had nothing to do with me. I simply blogged about it. I haven't gotten into any trouble over this issue. I'm simply expressing an opinion on the matter which I'm perfectly allowed to do. In general I'm trying to see the world become more open towards photography not less open. Sometimes this means shooting things that people don't want you to shoot. Thousands of...
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- Mrsth
opps, posting when my wife was logged into the account again. the above comments are from me.
- Thomas Hawk
@mrsth (Thomas) There you go. That's what I was waiting for - "more and more I'm thinking begin to use legal means to effect change". Blogging and emailing is great but it doesn't affect the big picture. Making changes to the laws so that there's no "grey area" is the best way to make sure this doesn't happen in the future. I'm sorry I was a dick and a bit hot-headed and implied you weren't a good photographer. I have always admired what you're doing. And btw, those raccoons can be damn feisty.
- Loyd Schutte
Thomas, that's akin to me saying, I think the speed limit is too low and therefore it's okay for me to drive at 100mph everywhere and then act outraged when I'm pulled over. You don't get to decide what policies are unjust. In fact, I would really like to see you try your stunts in say China. Just don't bring the 5DMkII, coz I can guarantee you wont be coming back with it.
- ld
Leather Donut, when have I ever expressed outrage over the consequences of my actions when they are in violation of a photo policy. I'm perfectly happy dealing with my consequences as I am when I get a speeding ticket.
- Thomas Hawk
You folks suppose we could make a distinction between laws, policies of private institutions, and the actions of individuals with authority that are based on neither?
- Ken Sheppardson
Loyd, Leather, I this case no one was breaking any rules except the security guard. Plug1 was within his rights to photograph on Muni and Muni management has stated so in previous apology letters to other photographers in the past. It is Muni's fault that it does not have a clear written photography policy and that it's officers are not properly trained. The law doesn't need to be...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
There is a discussion in the Vancouver flickr community that you might find interesting: http://www.flickr.com/photos... Also in the Vancouver strobist group on flickr
- Theresa
"On their summer 2008 World Tour, Return to Forever played the Montreux Jazz Festival in Switzerland. This is "Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy." The lineup: - Chick Corea, keyboards - Stanley Clarke, bass - Al di Meola, guitar - Lenny White, drums"
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
from Bookmarklet
"The world's most widely used metal, called Dr. Copper because it has a PhD in economics and possesses an uncanny ability to predict future expansions and contractions, now appears to be questioning its recent assessment of the economy after feeling quite optimistic for months."
- Morton Fox
from Bookmarklet
"Bruce Jaffe, the former acquisitions chief at Microsoft, and Lee Mighdoll, the former vice president of engineering and operations at Twitter, have emerged as the top executive officers of a Seattle area company by the name of Digiting, TechFlash has learned."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
Thanks Leo, been looking for this. I have a friend coming home from San Blas Mexico to Petaluma for his mothers funeral on Friday. Just a litltle worried.
- Allen Christensen
Thanks for this map. Who maintain it? Is the source reliable?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
I can't believe that people are freaking out about this. More people die from smoking everyday then they do from pigs. Remember when everyone thought that SARS meant the end of the world? I guess just like the tech sphere, the flu sphere needs it's 15 minutes of hype once in a while.
- Davis Freeberg
Davis, You should know that it's not just an ordinary Flu. It's dangerous, because humans have no anti-bodies for that kind of disease. You know the spanish flu? Read about it.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Yay! I just noticed this before I see this entry. Makes me happy.
- Anika
Uh, that's not going to be the standard bookmarklet from now? Please say no.
- Anika
Very cool... and thanks for including the "Share" URLs, particularly the short URL. Is the little "x" in the upper right to dismiss the window missing intentionally?
- Ken Sheppardson
I like the UI change. One minor suggestion: add a close box [X] to the dialog; I found out that you could close it by clicking outside, but I think it would be easier with an explicit action (or even "close this window")
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Nice! I just would like ESC as a shortcut to leave it please (this is my reflex when trying to escape this kind of pop up)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas, that pop up sucks balls on my netbook screen since I can only see up to 'Post' but clicking off of it helped. Odd there's no 'cancel' button.
- Anika
can the admins add the friendfeed-beta to the "to" list ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Thanks - great response to the feedback!! I'm very happy to see hide back.
- Robin Barooah
A close button has been added - sorry for the oversight.
- Bret Taylor
Why are those images showing up on every FF post?
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew, this happened to me (added image) and I deleted the post and recreated it.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Happened to me as well. Very strange.
- Andrew Leahey
you could've clicked on the gray area to close it too.
- Alfredo
I think the fact that it hasn't be noticed instantly shows how few people actually post text directly through FF.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: this is a spurious error, and we are pushing a fix now.
- Bret Taylor
Bret: What do you mean by spurious error? Was it a user error on my part? Not trying to bust you, just not sure what you mean.
- Andrew Leahey
Meaning it was not happening with all posts - it was an issue with one of our backends and caching. Let me know if you see the problem again.
- Bret Taylor
Gotcha, will do. Thanks for the quick fix.
- Andrew Leahey
I really like the embed feature, I can put a post in a blog post and the comments appear in real time, in the blog post as updates! That's something I haven't seen anywhere. http://breakingnewsviafriendfe...
- Wallace
This is cool, but I think the Quick Links to the services are superflous.... and the dialog barely fits my firefox viewport (on a laptop).
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That is really great and useful. I liked Short URLs.
- Alp
I'm getting some bad results with short urls not pointing to the long URL it's supposed to, ending up in non-beta friendfeed and some other weirdness.
- Boris Gordon
I suppose short URL <http://ff.im/2lx3d> will eventually point to the beta site, but how about it should do that RIGHT NOW? ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Bret, this is far better, thank you. I love that we can see the short URL (this could really to with being on the share box and the bookmarklet as well as the embed code. The quick links are very useful too. But it's still just a link to the post not actually opening the post up to new feeds (i.e. with sync'ed comments and likes). Would this be possible please?
- Kol Tregaskes
What I'd like to see is the possibility to share the comments when you reshare it to another feed.
- Brome
In fact you could combine this new share dialog box with edit post options and we could edit/add/remove the images, the link(s), the title and the feeds the post (the ability to remove from existing feeds and add to new feeds).
- Kol Tregaskes
Brome, yep basically open the post to new feeds (or edit existing ones).
- Kol Tregaskes
Really impressed and agree with Kol that this should be the standard dialog across all Shares
- Joe Dawson
is embed realtime? If so it could replace the comment section on blogs easily.
- Rahul Das
Rahul, I'm typing this comment in here: http://breakingnewsviafriendfe... to prove that yes the embed code is real-time. Now that is *excellent*!!! Shame it's in a window though.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome. Now someone needs to come up with some ready to paste code for blogs and we would have an awesome commenting platform.
- Rahul Das
Good point Kol. There is a problem when there are so many comments, tho.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, yep but not sure this is possible. It would be nice though. :-) The new way to blog? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe. But I was thinking of doing that watchlist of mine using the embeds. What do you think?
- Roberto Bonini
And did you know this embed updates instantly????
- Roberto Bonini
Loving the new Share, thanks Bret. Would be cool if the Bookmarklet will have these options too.
- Majento
very nice ... It would be even better if the frame was not visible.
- Kevin Nordmand
Roberto, yep it's real-time. Yeah that watchlist would work, just create a private post on your site and add the embed code. A little fiddly though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Bret, thanks. What about sharing via Gmail or email in general?
- Damond Nollan
Now I want the 'edit' form upgraded with the same 'To:' field, so I can add crossposts after-the-fact.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Everyone noticed the retweet icons down the bottom, didn't they?
- Johnny Worthington
I have a bit of a problem, at my resolution of 1366x768, if there's a photo in the re-share I can't see the "quick links" section at the bottom, and there's no way of scrolling this screen.
- Louis Simoneau
Great stuff but now I need this same functionality in the bookmarklet!
- AJ Kohn
Wud be great & really easy if Mail Invitations link had option for importing & selecting email contacts...rather than typing/copy-paste. Any plans for this?
- Roshan Ramachandran
Cool - even cooler if the bookmarklet could do the same!
- Kevin Nordmand
I like it! Would be nice to update the bookmarklet too. And please keep the original comments added to a post.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Edit the bookmarklet to add "beta" to the address :)
- Roberto Bonini
how should we choose the groups to share the item in?
- Mahsa Z
Masha, click the Share link, when the box pops up, click the X to remove "My Feed" if that is not where you want to put the item. Enter the first letter of the group you want to send the item to and you'll see all the groups that you belong to that begin with that letter. Find the group you want and click on it.
- Sharon McPherson
would be nice if you could just dropdown a list of groups, rather than having to type the first letter
- Tommy Keene
You mean "FF should read our minds, one letter is one letter too many?"
- ianf ⌘
The new share function is pretty awesome.
- Andrew Trinh
Sharon, tnx. so we should memorize all groups' names! :-/
- Mahsa Z
Thanks. This is a great feature and makes sharing even easier :)
- Nicholas James
I really like the new Share feature. I wish the "Like" feature had more control on how Likes get sent to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I love this! Just discovered it today.
- Brian Bufalo
this is frustrating. More specifically...the retweeting is frustrating. We need to be able to retweet without a (via http://ff.im/2lx3d) at the end and the urls need to be shortened if we're resharing a link from friendfeed. This is driving me bonkers.
- Zee.
and a RT is nothing without mentioning the name of the person we shared from
- Zee.
Zee: thanks for the feedback. To clarify, is the fact we prepopulate the textbox with (via ...) what is bothering you? You can delete that text. Or am I misunderstanding? Good point about making the username of the person who shared it more prominent.
- Bret Taylor
I was just clicking on the Share feature, thought it was new.. And it is! +1 to email, that's what I was looking for, sharing the FF entry via email for non-FF users! Promote awareness! :)
- Chris Chua
I don't get any email options @beta.ff – Safari 3.2.1 on OSX 10.5.6. While I'm at it however, please consider making this Share dialog a little more compact. I read FF at 24p font size (tired eyes), and this dialog doesn't fit on my 13.3" (800px vertical) laptop's screen.
- ianf ⌘
This just makes friendfeed even more powerful. Love it.
- Angus Neil
@erhan if you take c as a vector, then reversed A and B will result in a - C, which then will mean drinks again, but for a different reason I guess :) nice point
- denizoktar
and if you take the absolute value of c (why you drink), it gives you the "amount you drink"
- denizoktar
denizoktar: C is the visibility range of our lives. Save "C" and let's forget "career". :-))
- Erhan Erdogan
don't be pessimist about the hard drink. it makes all the things eaiser if you really know how to us on time. e.g. drinking a little both at starting and ending of the day will increase your productivity, right?
- Oğuz Serdar