QUESTION: You have the oppotunity to take a trip in space and explore a far-away world. Money is no object, and you have a reasonably good chance of surviving the trip. But there is also a chance that you will be gone for many years from earth. Do you stay, or do you go?
One thing at a time, Sally Sparrow. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
I'd go, not much keeping me here and I like travelling. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Fuggit I'll go. Wait, do they have fish in this other world?
- Rodfather
*honks from the ship* 'Come ON! Let's get going people! and by the way.....SHOTGUN!"
- Morgan
my bag is packed, can the last person left on earth please turn out the lights
- tony bland
First no room for kitten then it is a big ship. What if I grow strawberries -hydroponic like (can I take kitten now?)
- Janet
Well, I had to redesign the ship to accommodate more pets, which meant more room for parks, which meant more room for food and crops. So, yeah, lots of kittehs. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
How many years? Up to five, absolutely. More than that, I'll think about it. But having the internet and kittehs certainly ups my tolerance. :-)
- Deborah Fitchett
Hmmm, tough. I'd rather spend those years traveling Earth, I think, though.
- Jandy
Only if there was some way for me to have internet access on a regular basis. After all, who is going to check my email while I am gone? And I'll probably want to blog about the adventure, as it unfolds.
- April
It snuck in the door and at first I thought it was a bird. I tried to catch it with a towel but that didn't work. I did manage to decimate it with the second swing of the racket.
- Aaron Macom
I saw it but personally I found it boring. To me there is nothing worse than if your film is boring. There were many people who liked it though. It seems as though there is no middle of the road for this film, it's love/hate.
- Aaron Macom
I hated it, I know that's a strong word, but i really did. Frank Miller really Blew his whole whole franchise with this DUD. hopefully he's leaned his lesson to leave Hollywood to the professionals.
- Tate
I found it awful, and really too long. Photography, as in Sin city, is good but everything else is boring.
- DAL
I tried to watch it last night. It was horrible. At least, the first 20 minutes or so were, I turned it off.
- cdogzilla | downgraded
Didn't like it (except for the bare butt of Eva Mendes).
- Graham English
Netflix-ed it and fell asleep during what was supposed to be the climax of the story.
- Brian Chang
Stephen is officially out of kindergarten. I haven't felt this mixture of hope and melancholia since Jazmyn got out. Weird that my baby's growing up, but for some reason I'm not.
Very true. Vegetarianism is another form of meat eating. To be pedantic, veganism is the term you were looking for, because that's where you avoid any foods created by, from or tainted with animal products.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Teetotalling is another form of getting drunk
- Dave Slusher
nope. the right analogy would be "vegetarianism is another form of eating". Adding "meat" to the "eating" in that analogy is just twisting it a little to fit the argument IMO.
- vijay
Completely logically incorrect but thanks for playing
- Dave Slusher
Your understanding of logic is apparently in need of an upgrade.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Veganism is another form of carnivorism.
- Dave Slusher
The only reason I didn't say "carnivorism" originally is that it is a cumbersome, not everyday sort of word.
- Dave Slusher
Religion is a very specific belief system that allows for the supernatural. Atheism is a very specific belief system that does not allow for the supernatural. They are disjoint sets. Trying to fudge semantics on this point will be unproductive.
- Dave Slusher
OTOH, it's unfortunate that atheism/agnosticism doesn't get the same legal protections of conscience that religions do, at least in the US.
- Tinfoil 2.0
If religious belief was 0, then atheism would be 0 as well. But since religious belief is certainly non-0 but a certain value of X, then atheism cannot be X as well, since it is not-X or 'absence of X'
- Bora Zivkovic
I think what matters is what the definition of religion is. If religion equals "world view", then yes, I guess atheism fits that bill.
- Meryn Stol
Religion is expressed through rituals, prayers ecc. for this reason Atheism can't be defined as religion.
- Manuela
I also like to see atheists take a seat at the "interfaith" table. That is, those atheists who have at least faith in something, like the ability to better ourselves.
- Meryn Stol
That is a dangerous conflation of two different dictionary definitions of the word "faith".
- Bora Zivkovic
Religion doesn't need to be expressed through rituals or prayers, you can't put your religious framework as THE definition of what a religion is. Religion is simply a belief system. That is all.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wikipedia says about religion: "A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth." In that sense, no, atheism is really NOT a religion. :)
- Meryn Stol
To believe that the universe was created out of random chance and that there is no god is still a belief system. To believe nothing is still to believe in something.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I belong to the "unicorns don't exist" religion
- Alejandro
@alex basically, anything you follow.. religiously. It's where the term came from ;)
- alphaxion
"To believe that the universe was created out of random chance and that there is no god is still a belief system." NOT! It is not in any way akin to religious (blind) belief. It is the understanding of the world as it is, not belief in whatever parents or preachers say no matter how far removed from reality, for the sake of group cohesion, a.k.a., differentiation between in-group and out-group, which is what religion is.
- Bora Zivkovic
Wouldn't it be better to drop the term "atheism" and instead state that you're "not religious"? That would be much clearer I think.
- Meryn Stol
People believing in god don't have to be religious. if they don't belong to any religion they are theists.
- Alejandro
That is what the word means: a+theism. It's not my fault that the religionists managed to frame it negatively.
- Bora Zivkovic
I 'got' the post, found it funny, understand the point, am now moving on.
- Aaron Macom
Your understanding of belief as blind is incorrect and too narrow. As is most people's definition of religion. To say that an atheist doesn't believe anything is to completely ignore how the human brain HAS to function in order for US to function. Without belief there is no way a self aware being can survive.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, I'd say that having beliefs is not the same as being religious.
- Meryn Stol
BELIEF: something believed; an opinion or conviction. RELIGION: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
- Alejandro
That is, again, a dangerous conflation of two different dictionary definitions of the word "faith".
- Bora Zivkovic
@Alex I got your point but I still think that there's no religion without practice; you can believe in God or in Ceiling Cat but your personal feeling doesn't make you a religious person. Religion is a shared knowledge
- Manuela
All "religions" have a set of prayers, rituals, beliefs, etc. Atheism is a non-belief in a higher-power. Agnosticism is a question of whether there is a higher power. Not religious can encompass both Agnosticism as well as Atheism. But Agnostics can sometimes participate in "religion" like an inter-faith service. However, there are two distinct types of Athiests. One is really more of a satanic "religion" than a non-belief......
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Correct, Manuela. Individual belief in God is spiritualism in some sense. Religion is always a collective, group endeavor as the main purpose of religion is differentiating the in-group from out-group: who is with us who is 'gainst us: http://www.amazon.com/Darwins...
- Bora Zivkovic
....True Athiests actually do not take part in ANY faith-based activity, reject the notion of a higher power, and are more often than not pretty docile and kind people. I am more in-between Atheist and Agnostic. Atheism is not a religion really, it's a lack of a religion.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Hey, I am an atheist, and a vocal one to boot, and I am hosting a Seder tomorrow. Dawkins celebrates Christmas. When properly secularized, the old religious traditions can be quite pleasant.
- Bora Zivkovic
@Bora yep, and they also make the economy go round
- Manuela
If you have to broaden the definition of "religion" to "any arbitrary belief system" in order to disprove my original post, then the word has no actual meaning anymore.
- Dave Slusher
There is a reason why everything I'm saying is as short as possible and with the simplest language possible. I'm trying to pin this down without wiggle room, and a lot of people persist is trying to wiggle nonetheless.
- Dave Slusher
Ummm... Many/Most Buddhists are atheists. I'm Buddhist, but I hold the question of whether or not there's a God as more or less irrelevant in my daily life. So I guess that makes me a religious agnostic? And yes, Buddhism is actually a religion.
- iTad
I'm an Atheist and I love when someone asks me if I believe in/worship the devil. LOL
- BEX
@tad buddhists can't be atheistic because they still have a set of rituals and dogma they follow *religiously*. Lack of belief in a god does not equate to atheisim. Personally I don't think anyone can be a true atheist due to the fact that it would require the total absense of any philosophy in order to purge out theistic practices. If anything, buddhism closely matches my own belief more than any other, but I still reject even their practices.
- alphaxion
The word Atheist means someone who doesn't believe in God, right? No religion is not the same as Atheist. You can believe in God, but have no religion and not be an Atheist. Unless I'm horribly confused.
- iTad
Seems to me the whole point of religion is to create the space where X can indeed equal NOT X. (I usually find it pretty hard to continue the conversation when that little tidbit surfaces.) @Dave, it's also been said "atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby" :) (More of this topic all the time over here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/aasfshn...) <-- is that shameless or what?
- Edward Zwart
Atheism is a lack of belief in unprovable (by definition unprovable, not 'yet-unproven but potentially provable') concepts, which in most religions (not Buddhism) includes a belief in God.
- Bora Zivkovic
After reading this, does anybody else want a hamburger and then wash it down with a nice glass of holy water?
- Derek Coward
as dave knows already but i'll share for others, i am a catholic vegetarian snowboarder who freely associates with and tolerates the eating habits, opinions, beliefs and lack there of of almost all folks i come across in my life - except for skiers of course, so pls don't let me ever hear you say that "snowboarding is just another form of skiing" - lol, lighten up folks :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
@Mike: if they were atheist they wouldn't believe in Satan either.
- Alejandro
Virginity is a form of sexual behavior, though.
- Dossy Shiobara
Oh: How is atheism not a form of religion? If you had actual proof of atheism's correctness, that would be one thing - but, as any religion, atheists believe based on faith that their theory of God's existance (or lack thereof) is true. Atheism is just a step above cult following, really.
- Dossy Shiobara
@dossy atheism isn't a belief. it's not a claim of anything (never mind any correctness), it's the rejection of all theistic creations in all their forms. It's the equiv of stucking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes & singing "lalalala". Most atheists just carry on their lives & observe nothing spiritual. Some will celebrate their lack of faith, but in my eyes anyone that visibly celebrates their lack of faith, displays faith. By showing you are atheistic, you no longer are. A new quantum kitty?
- alphaxion
This has well crossed my threshold of what I can keep up with. I'm doubling down on my original statement but addressing bad logic is way more work then good. Obfuscators - mission accomplished!
- Dave Slusher
One particular philosophy of the several labeled 'atheism' is equivalent to a religion (the assertion, as an article of faith without proof, that there is no god). There are milder forms that make non-religious assertions (ie. that there is no proof for the existence of god, and asserting the unreasonableness of believing in something without proof, while acknowledging that proving a negative assertion is inherently impossible). Also, agnosticism often gets lumped in as well.
- Michael R. Bernstein
If nothing else, the thread has gotten bizarrely interesting. It's like watching a train wreck. Who'd think that making an assertion about having a lack of belief in the supernatural would be this controversial? So much for our evil genius just leaving us with a gentle "Thought For The Day"...
- Ken Kennedy
Excuse me Madam, but does this bus go to the station.
- Henry Gee
All you guys are wrong, as proven by my counterexample that having a love for science and technology is simply another way of being a luddite.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Personally, I think the whole question is pointless. I'm Apatheist... Whether there's a space man up there watching me or not, it's up to me to make things happen for me in my life and take responsibility for my actions and situation. The time and energy arguing about what religion is or not and which one is the right one could be spent to so much more productive purposes. I don't have a problem with people practicing religion because they need it as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
- Lindsay
To quote somebody or other, "If atheism is a religion, then not playing chess is a hobby".
- Richard Carter, FCD
This reminds me that the framing of religious people as "people of faith" bothers me, as it assumes atheists as lacking faith of any kind.
- Eric Berlin
Still like the old, "if atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color."
- Jack&Cleo
Atheism depends first of all on your definition of Theism. The very first Christians were once considered Atheists by the pagan religious mainstream of their day. Not much has changed, really. Same religious mainstream, with a surface layering of monotheism, but essentially the same as the pagan days. Or hasn't anyone guessed that the Trinity is a hedge bet sitting between polytheism and monotheism? A good honest atheist isn't that bad.
- George Hall (Australia)
I've never heard that one, but I can see why it would be frustrating. Atheism is a statement about God, but that doesn't make it a religion.
- Richard Klein
from twhirl
Let's get some use from the unwanted traction of this post. If you are driving distance of Myrtle Beach SC, there will be a panel on using new media in your church at CREATE South http://www.createsouth.org/ April 25th. If you disagree with my stance, come attend that panel and tell me in person how wrong I am. I'll be easy to find.
- Dave Slusher
LOL. Dave I think you just invented "Controversy & Confrontational Marketing"
- Paul Reynolds
lol paul - i like it ccm (not the hockey company) :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
I'm at least 25 years too late for that.
- Dave Slusher
And I believe I'm going to be making the definition of "driving distance" about 1600 miles.
- J Wynia
You heard the man. Y'all have NO EXCUSE!
- Dave Slusher
Here, let me sum up and contrast my definitions: A belief in the (unprovable) lack of god is religious, while a lack of belief in an (unprovable) god is not. These are very different, but unfortunately both positions get labeled as 'atheism', and both can be described as 'not believing in god'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I don't know why they treat these stories as if this is news. "Douchebag says something douchebaggy. Film at 11!" I think at this point no one in the podcasting space needs to spend a second on any mainstream anyone that doesn't get it. LET THEM NOT GET IT AND DO YOUR THING! Why this 5 year obsession with changing the minds of those who don't really care?
- Dave Slusher
I find it funny that all these 'mainstream' journalists spend so much time putting down podcasting. Could it be that they are scared?
- Aaron Macom
It's funny, as podcasting loses some of it's initial buzz I think they are getting even better. Let them be clueless about what we really do, your right ,it doesn't matter
- Eric - 100% Choice Cuts
Everyone knows that you should just use 'password'.
- Aaron Macom
Back in the day, whenever we would set up a new password, we would use changeme, but discovered that very few people actually changed it, so we started using iwillremembertochangemypassword. People changed that one almost immediately because it was such a PITA.
- Derek Coward
I really should have eaten dinner. Instead, I ate every messed up candy I made as a method of cleanup from 6p to 10p. And then I mopped the floor. For future reference, mopping floors on a stomach devoid of anything but morsels of sugar, chocolate, coconut, and almond is not a wise idea...
Better than flicking people off in traffic is holding forefinger and thumb about an inch apart, ostentatiously so that the other driver can tell that you know he's compensating. Doesn't work as well on women, though. :-)
- Alleluiabug Heather
Arguing on the internet accomplishes nothing. Of course that doesn't stop me...
- Aaron Macom
This comic has become the 'poster child' for late books AND for why comic companies should not bring in big name TV writers just for the sake of having big name TV writers.
- Aaron Macom
And it should be pointed out that there was zero church involvement in my marriage. We were married by a judge in a courthouse. No church got to make any rules in my wedding and marriage. Why do churches get a say in anyone else's courthouse wedding?
I don't want to sound contemptuous of religion, because I love many people who love Jehovah or Jesus or Allah. I myself love only "Bob" and only because I'm scared of what he'll do if I don't. But seriously, no one's religion should be deciding how our shared civic life is lived.
- Dave Slusher
Oh, we were dressed up. We and about 40 people descended on the Cobb County GA courthouse, all wearing suits and dresses and with our flowers and such. They were a little surprised at the level we took it to, but that was how we wanted it to be.
- Dave Slusher
For its first couple of hundred years, the Christian church refused to play any part in weddings, considering them something to be left to the state. It wasn't until quite a while later that that changed. However, like evangelicals being the biggest *supporters* of the separation of church/state for 200+ years, things change and people act like it's always been this way.
- J Wynia
Keep in mind that there is a BIG difference between religion and 'organized' religion. You can have faith and never attend church. Just because the church 'government' doesn't support what you do doesn't mean that it's wrong in the eyes of God or other people of faith for that matter.
- Aaron Macom
Aaron, I'm talking about the organizations that politically lobby to have laws and/or propositions passed. What people of faith do is entirely their business and up to them. When groups try to get all our laws changed to match their beliefs, we got a problem.
- Dave Slusher
And if I ever get laws changed to match my Subgenius beliefs, "Bob" help you all. Buwaahahahahahhahah!
- Dave Slusher
Oh! We should get us one of them there lobbyist. I'm good for $5.
- Aaron Macom
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- David Price
from Bookmarklet
WOW! Great stuff. Thanks for the link.
- Aaron Macom
Storms and the Northern Lights - amazing and beautiful
- comix aka martha
This is a very cool looking app and has received great reviews. Have you tried it? I'm debating whether to spend the $10 to try it out.
- Bill Jourdain
In Georgia we have a non-smoking rule in restaurants and other public places. You have to go to a bar or designated smoking area to get black lung here. You would probably catch other things at the bar, but that's a little off topic to your post...
- Bill Jourdain
Not cigarette smoke but broiler smoke. I think some forgot to turn an exhaust fan on.
- Aaron Macom
I missed it and my VCR changed to DST automatically. I loved Heroes but it has been very slow and convoluted this season. It makes me sad. Such a great premise...
- Aaron Macom
I would love it if FriendFeed offered a 'Return to Top' link at the bottom of the page. It would be great to have on the laptop, even better to have when viewing pages on a PDA/smartphone.
I'll mention the Podcast "Circle Jerk" Awards. Not only that, there is a very small circle that gets the nominations and the win. True CJ.
- Dave Slusher
Podcasting is funny like that. Everyone has a circle but some of the awards are a joke.
- Aaron Macom
All podcast awards are ridiculous. I've made blog posts analyzing this, but for those with enough awards to be statistically significant, it always breaks down for me like this: 10% are shows I like; 40% are shows I have tried and hate; 50% are shows I've never otherwise even heard of.
- Dave Slusher
Nice to see that at least 2 podcasts I actually listen to are nominated though (those are Geek Syndicate and Q!PAW), but I agree with the other comments. Now I am torn as to who to vote for as they are both in the same category.
- Eric Martin