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Première journée d'un Social Media manager - http://henrikaufman.typepad.com/eclecti...
la dure vie du social media manager :)
- Alice Cordonnier
Référencer son site sur Google, Bing, Yahoo Search… - http://www.concepteur-redacteur-blog.com/2009...
ça peut aider!!
- Alice Cordonnier
Back to School: Top 10 iPhone Apps for Students - http://mashable.com/2009...
j'adore le coup des graphique, pourquoi j"avais pas ça à mon époque ?? :(
- Alice Cordonnier
Mashable’s Weekly Guide to Marketing and Social Media Jobs - http://mashable.com/2009...
We have not this in France, we are so late in france!!
- Alice Cordonnier
Sa moelle osseuse pourrait sauver un malade, mais il est gay - http://www.rue89.com/2009...
édifiant de connerie :(
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
plus que ça même, honteux je dirais ...
- Alice Cordonnier
I'm having a very interesting meeting with an awesome guy, but he's more talkative than my wife, my mother and my sons all put togethers!
oh it was very difficult to stay ???
- Alice Cordonnier
still it is. and we don't give him water, so that we can expect him to fall thirsty at some point
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
My new fuzzy look: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Cristian, Tweet Feeds, Rob and 42 other people liked this
I am a little fuzzy and it's not just the lack of sleep I have been dealing with. Heheh. I don't like it, though, so don't be surprised if this new look doesn't last very long.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Bill Storage shot this photo of me. His lens is sharper than mine is. Can you tell?
- Robert Scoble
You kind of have a Jack Bauer look with the fuzz - makes you look more dangerous ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Oh, and Don MacAskill, CEO of SmugMug, will appreciate the hat I'm wearing.
- Robert Scoble
scruffy tech!
- Rachael Depp
Rawr! Boxers or briefs?
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
from fftogo
Looks sort of like a high-pass filter.
- Colin
Flippity: I don't think so, but I haven't had a Diet Coke, red meat, or as much dairy in a couple of months now.
- Robert Scoble
Very "Lost"
- Tim Bray
+1 Tim, I thought I saw Ben Linus hiding in the background in the picture. :P
- Mol, FF Music Lover
definite potential for use as avatar image
- Brian Hendrickson
Interesting. Definitely makes you look different. And yes, nice hat.
- Louis Gray
Survivor: TechBlogger Island
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I feel lost! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Wow
- Beau Liening
The Scoblandloper look, makes you more foolhardy-ish.
- Nir Ben Yona
I think this one better from Thomas Hawk: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Nope :/ like this one better than @thomashawk's
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
from fftogo
That one's good, but this one is definitely avatar material. Good angle for your face.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I like this one, kind of gives you the feeling of a war journalist :)
- Liviu Lica
could be an old Life cover, if the lens was black :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
I think you look just fine. Got that outdoorsy yet smart look about you.
- Janet
Beards are in :)
- Rob Brammeld
Something not quite unlike very casual ;-)
- Allen Harkleroad
Looks like a redneck
- orionstarr
You're looking California with some Hemmingway rubbed in.
- Monique
Robert, it's a good look! I suggest trying a gotee. Although, my wife is not that fond of mine.
- Jeff Sayre
I like it..but this picture looks a little photoshopped.
- Kreg Steppe
Much better
- Özkan Altuner
I see a mash-up b/t Anthony Edwards and Daniel Stern... with a touch of Richard Dryfuss.
- Zach Lytwyn
I like your new look, much better !!
- Alice Cordonnier
Robert: I have a beard too! Way to go dood!
- Tony C
Scruff is hot right now. All the guys are doing it. :) You didn't even get to trend set this time! Keep it for a while...see if you like it.
- Sheryl
I have to say it now, you all the time remind me Philip Seymour Hoffman, Robert. Here I said, finally. Probably I'm not the only one.
- ilterocktive
[fr] Un fausse pub Facebook bien grinçante… - http://fr.techcrunch.com/2009...
Jean-Charles VERDIE liked this
super glauque !!
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
je l'avais déja posté sur mon profil :( et oui c'est glauque mais pourquoi pas ce genre de pub, ça laisse a réfléchir !!!
- Alice Cordonnier
20,5% des 16-60 ans seraient des mobinautes - http://www.businessmobile.fr/actuali...
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pas étonnant !! mais bon pour ce marché !
- Alice Cordonnier
The new friendfeed is now up at http://beta.friendfeed.com/
Vlad Laurentiu, DAL, Garin Kilpatrick and 81 other people liked this
woah this is fast...
- Zee.
almost unusable :(
- directeur
i love how the comments load
- Lasse Johnsen
this is awesome
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
works as well on beta.friendfeed.com
- Jaap Willem
Holy cow this is freaking awesome
- Craig Eddy
hard to follow comments if you look else where
- Yunus Tunak
It's a great update
- Lucas Araujo
from twhirl
Isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
well, my first vote is no. i'm one of the 'aggregator' people. if like FF cuz it's *not* a live stream. bummer.
- MikeAmundsen
Yep, it's live.
- Yuval Atzmon
I love it :) Too fast, so I dialed it down by immediately switching over to one of my LISTS - that was way better! List Mgmt is a must for real time feed mfmt
- Susan Beebe
very nice, thanks for the link.
- Nathan Eckenrode
didn't love it.
- Gökmen Karasu
I like this!
- António Teixeira
Mike: that was my first feature request: to have an aggregator view.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, I'm with you. Try Streamy at http://www.streamy.com. You might find you like it more.
- Kevin Kuphal
Wow ! ... LOVE the new look ! very nice
- Rich White
the "XX seconds ago" does not update in realtime, though
- Till
Pretty cool
- Fred Hsu
This is a little too fast!!
- Niall Connellan
wow!! its really dynamic first impressions = awesome!
- Jay
Really nice.. quick and clean
- Louis-Philippe Gauthier
Oh man this is really addicting already.
- Justin Yost
I like the look, and the way the new likes and comments just show up as part of the post instead of a whole new line. But the whole thing being real time, and updating while you are trying to write out a comment is a bit much. I imagine if you are following thousands of people this will become really hard to manage.
- Simon Wicks
Makes for a fun Monday for sure.
- Jeff Stannard
wow! this is really gonna hamper productivity. Plus, Information overload! Hope it doesn't get too distracting.
- Tarun
Jason: on the iPhone there are still bugs. It's hard to click like in the real time feed.
- Robert Scoble
Productivity is gone :-/
- Susan Beebe
I agree.
- Teri Temme
Robert - you just have to be FAST! :)
- Susan Beebe
This is twitter on crack!
- Andreas Klinger
Nice to see that this is all real-time now.
- Geoffrey Wiseman
wow, you can see the comments appearing in real time... niice
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
So how are you supposed to read anything when it's always moving?
- Todd Hoff
lies
- Stuart Evans
This is actually really cool
- Kurt Jarchow
Direct Messages are pretty cool.
- Justin Yost
It is way too fast. Need a setting for refreshing on an interval, rather than real time.
- Josue Fontanez
Oooo the page is moving. Color me impressed
- Marcus Beagley
I am getting dizzy with so much speed. LOL
- Carlos Lorenzo
Where's the re-share and link to this entry? Also, can't find preferences link.
- Rui Pereira
Robert how many direct messages did you get?
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
Firendfeed's problem isn't down to technology its down to name. Twitter has been behind FF for ages, but its name and the whole "Tweet" thing latches on with average people where as FF appeals to geeks like us that can appreaciate the differences and can remember more than one technology buzz work.
- Mark Ritchie
Feed aggregation and sharing meets real-time messaging--this is a powerful unified communications platform--wait till they integrate real-time video!
- Rory Conway
well it's a pretty radical change, at first glance I like but can see how this is going to be very difficult to keep up with
- Dave Schwab
ok now it works hmm i think ive seen this beforeeeee ooo twitter maybe
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
FF needs rating (like) of comments - how do they want to filter the good ones at live speed otherwise
- Andreas Klinger
Looks kinda like Twitter, but that's not bad because I like Twitter! :)
- Svartling
This seems more intuitive somehow.
- craterdweller
I like how the content is moved to the left and and the operations are to the right.
- Todd Hoff
Found the link to this entry: click on the time (how un-intuitive :)
- Rui Pereira
Twitter crashed; wonder if this buzz helped
- Kathryn Martyn
@mark ritchie - no, I don't think this is the problem. The mass market doesn't neccessarily want an overwhelmingly rich feature set. A simple proposition/UI often satisfies more people. Friendfeed, (and to an extent twitter tools such as tweetdeck) turns digital communication into a full-time occupation - as William Gibson said '‘They sat around accessing [social] media all day and talking about it, and nothing ever seemed to get done.’'
- jeremy ettinghausen
Damian - thanks for noticing that - sounds cool huh?!
- Susan Beebe
Not so sure all feeds should be equal. Knowing something from twitter for example is critical to the amount of attention I'll give it.
- Todd Hoff
WHY DOES IT NEED HULK SMASH HANDS?
- James
Seems much faster, love the real-tome comments.
- Alex Scrivener
FF has been my best bud for close to a year. without a solid aggregator feature, i'm gonna hafta get a new best friend.
- MikeAmundsen
not sure i like mixing users and groups into subscriptions, either. like the DM option (we'll see how that goes), like the "My Discussions" (do that lots now)
- MikeAmundsen
Wow. This is a game changer. By commenting on an entry in the main feed you are basically initiating a direct message conversation with everyone who is tuned into that entry.
- Barak B
easier to use,seems to be faster than the older and i like the new presentation :) !
- Alice Cordonnier
Like the UI - less wasted space & grouping of items more visual. I love innovation:)
- Dave Blankenship
Still needs some work: Can't add new feeds, updates are too fast, no preferences ... Like it thou!
- Rui Pereira
Right, read the FAQ: http://beta.friendfeed.com/about...
- Rui Pereira
It's ok. I'm not overwhelmed with the changes.
- Trevor Trumbo
dont like, but the concept is nice
- Jordi Rivero
Generally like all the design changes. Looks nice.
- Todd Hoff
When I'm reading comments and they start scrolling down, that is not good. I drink from a glass, not a firehose.
- Todd Hoff
it shouldn't be like real time ... and the style is not good too ...
- Viva Vida
what as the big fuss about? its good, but not "great"! and plenty of beta issues - like the offscreen updates shifting text you are reading "onscreen"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @scobelizer, is there an underhanded deal going on that we don't know about... you're note usually *this* pawny about the hype!
- simran
Internet avec navigateur Opera mobile prochainement sur des véhicules Ford - http://fr.techcrunch.com/2009...
excellent
- Alice Cordonnier
If we decide to impose learning social media environment at school, could it be a competitive advantage for the country? Give your opinions
Susan Beebe liked this
all children will learn them eventually, but it's like all other skills, the sooner you master them, the better ... and if children in other countries don't ... they will/might be at a disadvantage ... maybe ... who really knows? ;o)
- Xavier Bartholome
i think it will become necessary, because social media seems to be a next business model. We begin finding jobs with social media, we can be wired... it takes an important part now in everyday life, FB, FF, Linkedln, Twitter... so i agree with you @xavier
- Alice Cordonnier
this being said, we're both more or less from the same generation and in similar jobs/positions/industry ... so our views might be biaised ... ;o) We need more input on this question from various types of people ...
- Xavier Bartholome
I share this question on twitter! but no answer, you can try in your side to have others opinions. I just talked with @microplazza on #twitter and he agree with us! i Think even the difference of generation with other people, we can have the same opinions. Just wait and see ! :)
- Alice Cordonnier
I relayed your tweet, we'll see ...
- Xavier Bartholome
I'm not sure that making social media a specific focus is necessary. It should be part of a broad education of using technology responsibly. The most important is that the education process should encourage collaboration and teamwork, kids will then quickly find the right tools to make it work.
- Ian Culpin
The tools will be totally different in 5 years time, so it would be an error to institutionalise it, making it more difficult for them to adapt to change. A country that makes communication and collaboration in a multicultural environment a priority will win eventually.
- Ian Culpin
you beat me to it Ian. I thought about it again on the drive home, and I was coming back to say that it is the skills and the mindset rather than the tools that should be taught ... ;o) But you do agree that it COULD give a country a competitive edge over others?
- Xavier Bartholome
Wrong question!? We should allow/encourage the USAGE of social media at school. There's no need to learn, but to integrate in the learning experience...
- Christian DE NEEF
Since USA is socialist now, according to conservative talk radio, I'm wondering when we'll get a good transit system like all other socialist countries in Europe? Not to mention health care for everyone?
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good transit system.. still waiting for ours in quasi-socialist britain! It's quite sad, most forms of modern transit originated/pioneered in Britain yet we have the worst in the developed world :(
- alphaxion
Don't forget Japan!
- Mona Nomura
Japan has the best in the world from what I've seen.. Only system I've ever seen that apologises heavily for even a minutes delay! Tho, always remember that the Japanese system is a private company, not state run!
- alphaxion
What countries in Europe would be on this list of "all other socialist countries"?
- Brian Sullivan
alphaxion: I guarantee you that Britain's is worse than USAs.
- Robert Scoble
Guess the lack of a good transit system and universal health care proves that the USA is not socialist ... yet.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
@Scobleizer Thanks to a socialist government once upon a time in Saskatchewan, Canada has a health-care system today.
- Jaffer
@robert I know Britains is worse than the USA.. expensive and piss poor. We created the railway system, yet we've fucked it up through a constant swapping of private, state, private, state then private once again. Along with the total lack of investment that goes with it while state and the money grubbing greed of private use. It's obscene, £70 to £120 just to travel from Leeds to London. Disgusting!
- alphaxion
"old socialist countries", i'm not so sure or very old!!! I can take the example of France !! we are not socialists since more of 10 years !
- Alice Cordonnier
They just did a study of extending DC's metro system down into Fredericksburg which is 50miles south of it. While it came out to be several billion dollars, the idea of it was cool to see just because it had been considered. Would be wonderful but will never happen.
- Dean Clark
Mass transit here is pretty bad, 75' to the bus and when I get downtown I have to walk a whole block. And I only have 4 times to choose from.
- Clarence Westberg
@alphaxion: You are correct, the privatization made British Railways from one of the best to one of the worst. Strange thing is, even after seeing things go downhill in the UK, the Dutch government decided to semi-privatize its railways, making it a lot worse. Luckily, Holland is a small country so effects are going to be minimal.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Isn't "according to conservative talk radio" fairly unreliable? :)
- Louis Gray
+100 Louis.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
@Brian: from the top of my head: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the UK, Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Greece. And now of course, the former Eastern Bloc countries, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Phoenix just opened up a light rail system and ridership is 30% higher than they predicted.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Rene -- all those countries are socialist in your mind? What countries in Europe or elsewhere would be classed as non-socialist?
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian: not only in my mind, though, these countries are all based in socialist principles, even though some countries don't have a socialist government per se anymore. Countries that are not socialist are: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Turkey and Bulgaria.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Francine: light rail in Seattle has been a compleate boondoggle. It's not about predicted ridership, it needs to be about how many are served for how much per person.
- Christian Burns
I would love to have a decent light rail system here. Our only option to get anywhere is to drive. We live in a gorgeous patch of farmland, and the traffic is starting to smog everything up.
- Karoli
The lack of good rail system of any kind in the US is a travesty. I've never understood why that was the case. One would think you could be proud of a good rail system. It has nothing to do with being socialist of otherwise. Every time I go to Boston (to pick a US city), I enjoy hopping onto a train and just getting to places
- Deepak Singh
Christian: Over what period of time do you amortize the cost? A light rail system is a long, long term investment. Taking into account projected growth in the area alongside the longevity of the system, I'd imagine it's quite the bargain.
- Karoli
Robert: I am starting to agree. We have a broken system that relies on insurance tied to employers. That must change.
- Christian Burns
I think the biggest problem in the US is the sheer size of cities. New York and Chicago are the first and only ones to have adopted a subway system early enough on to actually offer viable public transport. In a city like Atlanta, there's 2 subway/lightrail lines, and there's over 5mio people and there's a lot of commuting.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Great article about self-employment, freelancing, and health insurance http://www.city-journal.org/2009...
- Karoli
Karoli: I live in rural area, transit just doesn't fit into our lives. Central planning to fix a decentralized problem.
- Christian Burns
Rene, American cities aren't really that large, and definitely carry small populations. Tokyo does just fine with a wonderful rail system. The challenge is that to add transit now would take a lot of effort to fit into existing infrastructure, but IMO it has to be done
- Deepak Singh
Loving trains in Japan and loved the trains when I lived in Portland. I would kill for high-speed between Los Angeles and San Francisco, so let's hope it comes soon. Decent but long article with some good points about US and high-speed trains here: http://is.gd/mrYY
- Ken Brady
@Deepak: I disagree that American cities are not that large; traveling from one end of Atlanta Metro to the other is almost a 2 hour drive. There are countries in Europe where a 2 hour drive means crossing borders into another country. I do agree that a mass transit system must be added to a lot of cities. And now is the time. But, I do know that there is going to be a lot of...
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- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Rene -- do you have some sort cite that backs your assertion about which countries in Europe are socialist/non socialist (or based on socialist principles -- whatever that means). What about Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Russia?
- Brian Sullivan
actually, the malaise in the british rail system dates to when the state took over them during the 40's. A lot of stations and routes were loss making but paid for by the more profitable. When the government took control they began a systematic shutdown and withdrawl of funding from the system until its eventual re-privatisation. The only problem is that the system is in such bad need of funds that private companies now running it don't want to invest and are simply milking it for all the money they can get
- alphaxion
@Brian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - socialism and the industrial revolution almost went hand in hand in Europe.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
I'm holding out for those awesome European family friendly parks and museums
- Erin @queenofspain
I'm just pissed I have to listen to this brainless sheep-driven socialism drivel for the next eight years. Baaahhh. Baaahhh.
- AJ Kohn
@alphaxion: So, at least the government kept whatever lines were more or less profitable up and running, doing maintenance and planning. After privatization, the maintenance and planning part got dropped, since it is by far the most expensive, without having a clear ROI. Private companies are always gonna be looking at the bottom line and with a vast operation like a country-wide infrastructure to maintain it's not gonna look good.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Rene -- I don't see any mention of most the countries in your list in that article. Is that the best information you have?
- Brian Sullivan
Um..how come there's no mention of Amtrak? The challenge isn't just getting govt. to set up a mass transit system but also getting folks to use it. There's a lot of competition from alternative forms of transportation like planes and automobiles. Let's not forget that every time the gas prices go down, public interest in using public transportation goes down as well.
- MiaD
@Brian: I'm sure I can find all of them, but I'm too tired and lazy to google at the moment. You can believe me or not, either way, the US is not even near to what they think is socialism.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Child care for new moms. Doctors who pay house calls. Three months vacations. Sign me up.
- Martha
We're building light rail in the Dallas area. The problem is getting to the rail stations and finding a place to park. They closed the route that went right past our house - on a main road! The parking lot is clogged with cars from cities to the north that don't pay transit taxes. We can't use our own trains!
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
we have been trying to get light rail in Kansas City forever.
- Rodney Taylor
that's just it tho, "British Rail" as it was when it was nationalised barely put any money into the system at all and only grudgingly did any maintentance. No upgrades were made, no investment in new rolling stock. It was a total shambles. Stations fell into disrepair and entire routes were left to rot or were ripped up.
- alphaxion
(There is a story making the rounds of a pool reporter on Air Force One who asked President Obama, "Are you a socialist?" ... we offer some context for that reporter, and any others that might be lurking here on a beautiful Sunday evening.) http://www.dailykos.com/storyon... - i thought this was really cool, and thought that it might settle this subject once and for all -
- Chris Heath
chris - way to avoid any position at all. +1 for a completely empty statement. You implied that a 0% cap gains rate created a China that is a net creditor nation. Or would you like to tap dance out of that position ad well?
- Brian Roy
Hey, you decided to go ad hominem... I just pointed out the error I your thinking... Not sure I was in attack mode. Care to answer the question? Is China being a creditior nation a direct result of a 0% cap gains rate?
- Brian Roy
Were some comments deleted? Can't figure out what Brian Roy was responding to.
- Morton Fox
nah I posted on the wrong thread. My bad.
- Brian Roy
Hong Kong's transit system is something too! :D
- Michael Forian
I'm from Europe and now am living in NYC. I find that NYC public transit (subways, buses, taxis) is actually fairly decent by my European standards. Sure, it's sometimes dirty and crowded, but it gets you to places and runs with good frequency. If you live in the city close to the transit, you don't need to have a car at all.
- Jaanus Kase
Ha ha.. wonderful perspective - even the Democrats are so far right of centre in European terms to be ever be called Socialists.
- Ian D. Nock
@Ian: *highfive* I keep saying that, too, but no-one believes me! A lot of Americans equate the Democratic Party with socialism, while I was taught in school that in the US you can choose between right and extreme right.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Believe me, Robert, you don't want these. I'm from Hungary and I know what I'm talking about. Social healthcare sucks... Even if you live a totally healthy life, you pay the same insurance as those who smoke and drink all day long. (And get the same service)
- Berci Mesko, MD
people who have not experienced socialized services do not get it. They Idealize them!
- Leonard Boord
@Berci Mesko and those who drive and those who eat too much or badly, exercise too little, have sport injuries, unprotected sex, have dangerous and stressful jobs etc if we start thinking in those terms not many people would be entitled to healthcare at all. Personally I prefer not to judge and have universal healthcare combined with decent education and prevention plans
- M F
I am from the government I am here to cure you....
- Leonard Boord
Just a question: Is it really true that the current system in the US means that people who take care of themselves and use little healthcare don't subsidize those who are less healthy? Given the high costs of basic insurance I find that almost impossible to believe but it would be interesting to know some facts especially when these 'socialized' vs 'whatever we call it' comparisons are being made.
- Robin Barooah
@Robin: as far as I know everyone has Medicare tax withheld form their paycheck even if they are not insured throug Medicare. (I may be wrong though.)
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
@M F: I understand, but having universal healthcare means you get an average service no matter how hard you work in life. Nurses, doctors have an incredibly low income compared to those working in the US. The whole system is far overloaded and nobody has time for you. I know there are serious problems in the US healthcare system as well, but I don't think you really want socialized medicine. Though, you should give it a try yourself. :)
- Berci Mesko, MD
From what I have experienced (I grew up in the UK, and now live in the US) neither 'ideological extreme' is particularly great. There are some aspects of healthcare that make it difficult to run from a purely capitalistic perspective - i.e. accidents happen to even the most careful people, demand can potentially be infinite, etc, and at the point of use there is no market and consumers are vulnerable...
- Robin Barooah
...and there are aspects that make it difficult to run from a purely 'socialized' perspective - i.e. a lowest common denominator service may limit quality of life unfairly, those who take care of themselves end up responsible for those who don't, demand is potentially infinite, metrics are hard and medical decisions become politicized etc.
- Robin Barooah
To me this means that our tools are too blunt to solve the problem as one thing. Either we need more sophisticated tools (which I don't see), or the complex problem needs to be broken down into simpler ones that we can solve with out blunt tools (which I think is eminently possible). I believe that Obama is sophisticated enough to recognize this. Whether or not he can implement it given the vested interests he has to work with is the real test.
- Robin Barooah
In the 19th century, the US built an incredible rail system that tied the nation together, all with private money. The entrepreneurs are now called "Robber Barons". It's little wonder that private enterprises doesn't want to step up again.
- Robert Hafer
@Berci Mesko I live in Britain, I'm familiar with a national health service free to the point of service, with all its faults.Having said that I don't want to put my health and trust in the hands of a company that thinks about its profit first, I don't want them to do unnecessary procedures when I have plenty of money (as has had happened in some private clinics in Europe) and deny me care when I need it the most. And I don't want anyone else to be in that position.
- M F
what is interesting -- how many people have opinions on socialism/socialists, while context they mention reveals they have either little or no clue about true socialism and how those historical examples of *socialism* were far from schoolbook definitions... and then-love-now-hate from ex-little-cousins in Central Europe looks like they hasn't learned lessons of history, rather go the opposite way (hint - negation is not productive and helps only in very short term).
- Отборнейший бред
@M-F and Berci: some countries in Western Europe have adopted a two tiered system: 1) base care, including prevention, pharmaceuticals and dental, for everyone (everyone pays for it, everyone can benefit from it) and 2) for an extra premium you can add more specialized items to the base insurance, like private hospital rooms or extended dental plan or prolonged manual therapy. This way, everyone has the same base insurance coverage and for those who can afford it, they can get a better or broader coverage.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
@alphaxion Europe is a lot more compact than the US. so don't hold your breath about getting a transit system for everyone. Health care is so expensive because of insurance. Our economic system is a house of cards - one that is on the verge of tumbling down. More government is never a solution; it always adds to the problems. Real solution is growing food & shopping locally, supporting communities, decentralizing. That is in OUR best interest but not the best interests of the global economy's plutocracy.
- Gail Gardner
Transit is partially affected by population density, exclusive of politics. The western U.S. differs greatly from Europe, though I will grant that European nations discourage auto use more, thus incentivizing mass transit.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I should clarify that I was talking about intercity travel, not intracity travel (though the same issues apply to southern California - who's gonna build a rail line connecting Ontario to Orange County?).
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Time for high speed rail from San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles, too San Diego.
- ka3drr
Friendfeed isn't dead yet. Friendfeed is indexable by Google. Facebook's "public" feed is not yet indexable. They are moving toward a public model, though.
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That's a HUGE difference between the two services. What I do here is for everyone and all services to index. Over on Facebook only my friends can interact wholly.
- Robert Scoble
With Twitter growth and now Facebook, an uphill battle awaits Robert
- Mrinal Desai
Twitter, facebook and friendfeed are the 3 things Google has to Gobble up anyhow, at any price. By hook or crook.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
Facebook is still - in large part - a walled garden. That creates advantages and disadvantages for them at this point. What we know (because the essential rules rarely change) is that in the long term walled gardens fall.
- Brian Roy
open wins
- kosmar
but Robert, only my geek friends are on FriendFeed. Everybody else is on Facebook, including my geek friends. Facebook is a far more significant service than FF right now. Point taken about google index though
- David Jacobs
Facebook is Sam's Club (members only, watch and do only what they let you). Friendfeed more like is the public library, wikipedia. or the open web.
- Tinfoil 2.0
As I mentioned on Twitter, Friendfeed is a pretty specific set of functions, where FBook spends too much time trying to be a social media operating system. I think FFeeds focus gives it a huge competitive advantage over Facebook. It is way easier for FriendFeed to be an awesome social feed service, where Facebook also has to be awesome at a whole bunch of other things. Facebook is trying to do too much and I think its going to be a disadvantage for them.
- Ross Rader
No Logical Extremes, MySpace is Sam's Club. Facebook is maybe Target. FriendFeed is some smelly Magic the Gathering card room ;)
- David Jacobs
Should we all take bets on whether Robert will be working for Facebook in the near future?
- Brian Sullivan
Actually, I think Twitter growth helps Friendfeed. People are getting accustomed to following a large number of people they'll never meet. Facebook is the service that I'd worry about. It has to stay closed to be useful to consumers, but needs to open up to be relevant in the marketplace. They're boxed in.
- Dennis Best
Are you suggesting that Friendfeed will be dead Robert? Once Facebook has opened completely?
- Nick O'Neill
David, LOL. But Facebook is definitely not Target because I can walk into a Target without being a member and pay cash, and not have my personally-identifiable behavioral data put into a dossier to be sold later.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It isn't about one taking from the other... it is about growing the market in total. Combine the # of users of Facebook, Twitter and FF and it is a TINY % of the potential market. Anything that brings users into the market is good for all (right now).
- Brian Roy
Nick: this is a significant challenge to friendfeed. It will be interesting to see how friendfeed differentiates itself.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm of the belief that FriendFeed has a great opportunity to track topics, content from throughout social media. Facebook will be limited to what your friends are up to. FriendFeed will be our curated, uber informaiton management service.
- Hutch Carpenter
As I always say, I wouldn't have found all of you on Facebook. Facebook is about friends, FriendFeed is about community.
- Eric - 100% Choice Cuts
Lindsey/Brian: He's at a Facebook press conference, that's why he's saying a lot about Facebook.
- Bruce Lewis
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Facebook's news feed doesn't page. That's boring. Once you've seen it, you've seen it.
- Thomas Hawk
@LindseyDragun: i totally agree with you: no offense to FFers, I know or have met some of you in RL, but I'm more interested in the ideas and shares here, and follow hundreds of cool people I'll never meet. But on FB, 100% of the people I've friended I know, through past schools, work, or social settings. These services fill two completely different purposes for me, and I don't really want to mix them together.
- .LAG liked that
Facebook's pushing a lot of interesting buttons but the UI is still a mess!
- Charlie Anzman
what is Facebook for: http://petronillapaperdoll.tumblr.com/post...
- PaperDoll
Facebook really is excited by FriendFeed.
- Hutch Carpenter
++ Hutch!
- Mona Nomura
robert, i think the three - twitter, friendfeed and facebook are three different aspects of a more realtime web. i think the only entity they threaten is google and whether google likes it or not, it needs to compete with them. i think it is not a competiton between one or the other for now. if i was to bet, google would acquire a FF and get their grove on.
- Om Malik
if you google me, the first thing you get is my FF profile ;)
- Roberto Bonini
Of course Facebook is eating Friendfeed's lunch. Commenting and Liking are the two major features that FF does really well. Indexability is a nice addition but it's not THAT valuable in the grand scheme of things (just like searching on Twitter really isn't that much of a killer app as the early crowd are making out). It comes down to relevance of searches. It is rare to search for a specific comment that someone made, but common to search for an article or information.
- Tadhg Kelly
So that means that Friendfeed in reality is essentially Facebook for those that don't want to be on Facebook and deal with all of the rest of the stuff surrounding it. Which, as it turns out, is a smaller number of people than you may like.
- Tadhg Kelly
I dont have a FaceBook account, and i WONT, till they open to google indexing spiders. Internet must be an open place, only in this way knowlege can be spread, like in twitter and FF XD !
- Rocky
"isn't dead yet" implies that it's dying... is it?
- Pavel Senko
FB will always have much more than FF, and FF will always have much less. And thank god. At some point, a Yahoo vs. Google comparison will be in order.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice call (Yahoo vs. Goodle) - I can see that.
- James Hull
Hutch has it right in my opinion. FriendFeed is a data management service that transforms data into information. Part of that happens to involve the collection of personal (aka social) data. Facebook does not have this at its core - instead Facebook is firmly rooted in social interaction among defined people.
- AJ Kohn
in France, my friends didn't heard about Friendfeed, they only sware by Facebook ! that's why FF is not dead, and won't be dead ! it will become a new trend in the next months !! or not ?
- Alice Cordonnier
Facebook is the new AOL (in more ways than one).
- April
But what I dislike that Facebook is lifting the stuff from FF ..and without acknowledging
- Varun Mahajan
Mark Zuckerberg, not exactly one for acknowledging, is he.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Yes, they pointedly mentioned Twitter yesterday, but (to me) pointedly avoided mentioning FF
- Chris Nuttall
From what I've read, Facebook's "Like" feature lacks FOAF functionality. Maybe it's better that their implementation not be associated with FriendFeed's. I imagine their version of "Hide" must be less useful too.
- Bruce Lewis
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Why Twitter is not for conversations. I will give you five reasons here:
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1. If you get into something with one other person all your other followers will start complaining.
- Robert Scoble
2. You can't "thread" and "capture" a conversation, like I can here.
- Robert Scoble
3. Most people on Twitter that are joining lately are not people who participate. Compare @ev's followers to mine.
- Robert Scoble
4. Twitter's expected usage is "what are you doing?" Not "what would you like to chat with your friends?" Whenever I try to break that usage I get tons of hate DMs and tons of unfollows.
- Robert Scoble
i still have 2 reasons. the first one is that wa have other solution if we want to discuss about all and nothing, the tchat our DM for example and te second one is that twitter is to propose interested news about different interested subjects (it is better :) ) and not to give personal informations
- Alice Cordonnier
5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself).
- Robert Scoble
Jonathan: Twitter is great for attracting attention to something, or just sending out a general update. For actually going into any detail at all about something, however, it's sorely lacking, and not just because of the 140 character limit.
- Chris Charabaruk
Jonathan: Twitter is great for going back and forth about twice. If you want to get really involved it really really sucks. It pisses off all your other followers. DM's would be fun, but you can only DM people who follow you. Makes that worthless to use for a lot of people.
- Robert Scoble
Re. to 4: Interestingly, I really enjoy those conversations that form on Twitter, I start click the "In reply to..." all the time and I end up seeing the twitter pages of new, interesting people.
- Javier Altman
Finally, if you get to 1,000 followers or more (like many of my friends), you'll miss a lot of stuff and so the conversation might be disjointed.
- Robert Scoble
@robert: there are other services ;)
- Enrico
First one, impossible to keep track of conversations, 2 user engagement is low 3. Information value is negligible.
- Richard A.
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME discovery tool. Yes. But it is a CRAPPY conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. which is why I use twitter as I do.
- Richard A.
That is true, as purely conversational in anything that is more than 1 or 2 messages in "depth" or "length" or whatever you wanna call it, it's quite terrible. Also, I find that if you follow too many people, then every single "conversation" is impossible to follow. I'm following 200 people, and that's hard to manage and follow some times.
- Javier Altman
Agreed. Twitter is a great platform for spreading knowledge, not for idle back & forth chit chat.
- David Lanning
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME listening tool (especially if you have TweetDeck) because you can listen to lots of people on specific topics (thanks to search). It's also an AWESOME promotional tool (look how Mashable is using Twitter) but it's a horrid conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
David. Spreading knowledge? A hyperlink with no real description? No value to me. I want to know why someone is linking to something.
- Richard A.
David: I wouldn't go that far. Out of 10,000 Tweets 9,996 are pretty stupid. Should I give you some examples?
- Robert Scoble
I find I get a lot smarter by using Google Reader and following some people who put some thought into blogging. Friendfeed and twitter are NOT places I typically find deep thoughts unless it's from someone like Tim O'Reilly, Jay Rosen, or Dave Winer and they both are always linking out to interesting stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. I really like how twitter used to be "awesome" as a conversational tool in the past. Now though people have far less time for the site.
- Richard A.
I definitely agree on that, Robert. Too bad Twitter has become so centralized and developed a "star system" so quickly... a ton of people with interesting things to say are simply lost in the cloud left in the wake of @kevinrose or @levarburton, you know? The big guys get listened to and usually have little of interest to say -- the smaller guys with actual content worth your time are never heard of.
- Javier Altman
Javier, the little guys are the community builders, their engagement provides the dynamics the timeline needs to keep people engaged.
- Richard A.
Threaded conversations are needed on Twitter. Becomes increasingly painful to understand what people are referring to sometimes
- Paul Papadimitriou
Ryo: Twitter is way older and is further along the growth curve. Friendfeed also requires more work and more engagement. Look at all the icons on the people who are following me here (or that I'm following). Now compare those icons to the ones of the users in @ev's account. Not even close to the same kinds of users. I'd rather have one friendfeed user than 100 twitterers. Watch over the next year and you'll see what I'm seeing.
- Robert Scoble
@paul: "Threaded conversations are needed" ... sure :)
- Enrico
Javier: Sometimes what those big folk say is something people do want to hear, though. Levar Burton had a big tweetup in Toronto at the beginning of the week, with only an hour's notice on Twitter. Friend of mine got to meet him, blogged about it, and had his server crash under the load when Burton linked to the post in Twitter. But yeah, things of note from the celebs are usually pretty rare. (The post that caused the crash: http://imaddicted.ca/interne... )
- Chris Charabaruk
Conversation certainly is easier here both to follow and understand. Less chance of being unfollowed for saying something out of context or annoying new users.
- Pete Gilbert
Chris: and Levar is one of the real celebrities who actually engages a community. I met him at CES. Really great guy.
- Robert Scoble
If Twitter wants to be a great conversation tool, they should figure some way to spin out conversations from the tweet streams of the conversationalists (and I don't mean DMs). That they don't seem to be bothering with that is another strike against the service, at least in my books.
- Chris Charabaruk
@Richard: I don't see how much community can be built when your word isn't reaching anyone -- that's how I feel twitter is working lately, what you say gets missed in the cloud.
- Javier Altman
I think that we havn't to blame any service that offer a rest api, if there is some kind of lake in some feature then innovate, the main element to get in mind is to avoid redenduncy.
- abdellah
@Chris: Maybe LeVar wasn't the best example, of course Geordi LaForge would have something interesting to say :D
- Javier Altman
Javier I have written quite a few blog posts about twitter and community building because of how frustrated I am by how passive the site has become. All those I used to follow are now following thousands. They no longer focus on friends anymore. I agree with you.
- Richard A.
@Chris: I think that if the web interface for Twitter somehow added the "in reply to's.." that are chained together onto a collapsible tab below a particular, original tweet on the timeline, the problem would be solved.
- Javier Altman
@Richard: Exactly, that's why I actually went back the other day and started un-following people. I want to focus my attention, and hopefully that will trickle down to others in my stream.
- Javier Altman
Brilliant and I was angry with you, silly me :). Twitter is more or less like a group IM. Mirco-blogging not so much.
- Chirag Chamoli
Javier, Because I did the same thing I had 11 pages of conversation in twelve hours. I was quite happy with that result. :-), made twitter feel vibrant once more. I like feeling that people want to engage for more than one message at a time.
- Richard A.
Ooh.. I don't know about this Scobs... I use FF and Twitter, but I have learned a lot, met some Great people, AND had some great conversations on Twitter, whether by tweets or DM. I do agree that FF is a more advanced version of Twitter, but I also agree that you have more "reach" on Twitter. I think Twitter a combo of conversation, info sharing (NOT just linking all the time), and connecting; at least until FF can get more "mainstream." The phone's still always good for conversations. :)
- Just OOH
Martin Schecter says I'm wrong: http://www.commonmistakesblog.com/2009... -- but this is something he can not do on Twitter (join together lots of little pieces into one whole). Give it up, Twitter sucks for conversations and building knowledge on a topic. Quick, go to Twitter search and find all Tweets on this conversation. You can't. Don't even try.
- Robert Scoble
Just Out Of Home: Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter. You haven't really used them if you believe that.
- Robert Scoble
what about app that offer to create twitter users group?!!
- abdellah
I actually see a use case for both. As a pure broadcasting channel Twitter is great, many people don´t even care about @replies. All they care about is that many people hear what they have to say. A conversation can and will never happen nicely on Twitter, not only because of the technical limitations but in my opinion also because of the different user structure. Twitter will stay popular but will also get polluted more and more. FF might be able to grow with a different user base towards something bigger.
- Bastian
I personally find Friendfeed quite daunting. I like the simplicity of Twitter, it's "shoot and forget"-ness, so to speak. Friendfeed is more involved, which helps for conversations, but because everything is linked together in a feed, it can get unmanageable quite quickly. That said, Twitter is obviously imperfect as well.
- Javier Altman
Bastian: exactly. Twitter is a "pure broadcasting channel." It's stunningly awesome for that.
- Robert Scoble
Bastian, if you want subscribers get an RSS feed, easier to sort by source.
- Richard A.
"Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter" - then I'd love to know why both continue to be thrown into battle against each other. Can't they just co-exist?
- Shawn Farner
Javier: right. But that's why your engagement here will increase over time and on Twitter yours will decrease over time. By the way, Facebook is seeing a ton more engagement (per user) than Twitter is. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
Friendefeed is a web forum based around RSS aggregation. We use feedly to find the articles, say why we're think they're interesting and people decide whether to pay attention according to that. Twitter makes that much harder to do.
- Richard A.
simply because they take it seriousely, remember friend real life one are watching
- abdellah
Adding threading, groups, rich DM, would turn twitter into an IRC-meme product, useless. twitter is more a broadcasting product and needs to focus on search, trends, more than interaction
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
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seriously the most ridiculous is their trend :) have you take time to see twitter trend?
- abdellah
Robert: I think Facebook is a different creature altogether -- The engagement could stem from IM-ing, or maybe from the silly apps and quizzes you take in it. I personally don't like Facebook, I rarely go in there, and only update the status by having my Twitter linked to it. And I have to disagree, my engagement is still on Twitter more than Friendfeed, and I haven't seen any particular increase or decrease there. Sure, topics like this keep me refreshing the page, but that happens on Forums too :)
- Javier Altman
Robert: Facebook is like Friendfeed. we share our personal images with friends (when not web celebs) share blog posts, comments about small things. It's a more intimate community. There is a lot of common ground.
- Richard A.
Javier: you really need to sit down with me sometime and I'll show you why facebook is so much more engaging. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about. YOUR engagement might be high. I'm talking about the aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
I have been using both for awhile; per your suggestion actually. I might not be the master of this stuff, but I think it's not really a matter of belief; more to do with how you (an individual) want to use both sites. Like I said, I like Friendfeed more and wish more people I know use it, but it's really up to the person, no? I've been quite happy in terms of how I use both, granted FF is far more organized, and also has more reach if you know how to use it right.
- Just OOH
Robert: might be hard to do from Argentina to California, but I'm game :D But seriously, can you expound on the aggregate?
- Javier Altman
i want more of my face to face friends here too, but they aren't so tech or early adopters. if they are here, not to participate - just stream. educating the general public on value here will make this stand out more.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney: they will come. Twitter had the same feel to it two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
"Aggregation"-wise yes. I agree that FF is FAR more better/advanced than Twitter.
- Just OOH
Courtney. They're on Facebook though right? Just use the status messages as a form of twitter. It's just as versatile as twitter itself.
- Richard A.
from my point of view, FF is more personal, because as some oy you said, we can post fotos, we can play some games, it is for me a distraction, Twitter is more profitable to find interested people who work on your market or have the same interests on particular subjects. That's why i make a big difference btw both sites, the contents i put is totaly opposite
- Alice Cordonnier
Robert Llewellyn is another one who's really into it as well he talks back to the twitterers (okay, he was teasing me about knowing about red dwarf 9, but you know) and he's big into blip. and to a point, yes, even bloody ashton and demi :P
- Terry O'Fee
I don't get how you could make Twitter be threaded and still have it be Twitter, which is this rolling stream. You can have little micro convos on Twitter but it's easier to get into a fight precisely because most people on Twitter are on broadcast mode, dispensing with a pearl of wisdom they imagine their hundreds or thousands of fans merely want to docilely listen to, and they hate backtalk. Whoever gets the good backtalk app working will win.
- Prokofy Neva
This is probably a noob question, but Plurk offers convo threading, grouping in the form of cliques so why aren't people talking about it as a viable option to the address the concerns listed above?
- Tech Teacher
the interface :)
- abdellah
Robert - I believe FB is more popular (not better, mind) because it's social networking at its simplest. it's wonderful for older parents who don't get twitter or friendfeed to sign up and add as much or as little as they want. perfect for the people who just want a small, family connection online..
- Terry O'Fee
personnaly I will not use it for just one reason the damn interface.
- abdellah
@Kimberly: probably because Plurk didn't ever get critical mass of users. Without the userbase, you can have the best app, and never get anywhere.
- Javier Altman
Kimberly: the UI of Plurk feels like a coloring book to me. I never took to it. The people who joined it at first also were not the kind of people who I wanted to have conversations with. Plus, friendfeed was way way way better at all this stuff than Plurk was and friendfeed was started by three superstars from Google. Plurk? I don't even know the people who started it.
- Robert Scoble
terry, FB is more particular due to it rigid rule, compared to twitter or FF the process on mutual fellowing is a walk in fire.
- abdellah
Funny that back when I started using Twitter in 2006, it was bad etiquette to have too many @'s in your stream. Now that seems to be inversed.
- Sam Harrelson
plurk needs to get rid of that stupid karma crap as well. people on there "plurk" and reply so theyre top of their karma, not because they feel like it
- Terry O'Fee
I agree with Alice's point as well. I just don't like rules set forth on this stuff. I enjoy both, wish more were on FF as I would certainly use it more than Twitter, but they are simply not. Let's just agree to disagree on some points and call it a day Scobs. Also, NO need to insult someone's intelligence because they might not be able to use this stuff as well as you do. That's just not a good conversation, speaking of..
- Just OOH
you deserve a kiss for the karma mention, I hate it
- abdellah
Just Out Of Home: you are right. I'm sorry.
- Robert Scoble
abdellah - mwah!
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: I do remember early Twitter. It was still mostly status update. Too much of that now seems like they don't have much to contribute and aren't connecting. If Twitter users just do status updates it seems like they are self absorbed or lack contribution of some sort. They're still learning over there. Wait till their eyes open here.
- Courtney Engle
I'm sorry, but how the hell would you be able to cope with the stream of information on Friendfeed (considering all that gets aggregated) if it had Twitter's mass? You'd be able to "follow" 20 people and that's it, otherwise you'd never be able to be involved with anybody.
- Javier Altman
terry , mwah too (what about kiss feature here in FF) :)
- abdellah
Richard: I turned the Twitter sync off as I want my FB wall to not be overwhelmed in my tweets. I keep it for friends to post there, reply, and engage. The sync would make it a mass broadcast firehose drowning those yet to know Twitter or FF, but I do have digg, greader, flickr, etc all synced back to my wall.
- Courtney Engle
OT a little, do you ever see in the future a greater integration with gps services on phones with social networks?? imagine being able to see twitters from people in your area. able to contact or @ them?? imagine the advertisers, theyd have a field day! a computer twittering deals close by to where you are...
- Terry O'Fee
Javier: you are absolutely wrong. I'm following 14,000 and 28,000 are following me here on friendfeed and it's FAR easier to deal with large numbers here than over on twitter.
- Robert Scoble
@Terry isn't that called Loopt?
- Javier Altman
terry, oh yes and it sound pretty good perspective, but there will be always a spammer here or elswere to make thing collapse, the main problem with twitter is that twitter bases how fragile and how risky to build on fragile foundation.
- abdellah
Robert: Hmm, I see. It could very well be the way I interact with these type of service then. If Twitter only has 140 character lines as the only input and I already have a hard time keeping up with the people I follow, I can't imagine how chaotic it'd be to do that here, plus all the other aggregated info (digg, youtube, likes, dislikes, commenting, etc...)
- Javier Altman
Courtney, I don't sync twitter with facebook. I tweet far too much. What I mean is that it's short messages people can comment on without having to join a new service :-)
- Richard A.
Javier: because you aren't seeing the advantages of having lists, rooms, and the metadata that lets you hide lame stuff (you can hide all tweets that don't have a like, for instance).
- Robert Scoble
Terry, Google latitude has been running non stop on my phone for three weeks by now, works fine. used it to meet one friend a few times already.
- Richard A.
Javier: you should watch this video: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Javier. I hide all tweets that haven't been responded to. Works well for me.
- Richard A.
i dont just mean advertising though, it would be awesome for twitter meetups for example. where is @(insertname), you could have them on a list to see where they are, see just tweets from people in the area as well, i mean out here in the sticks it would be useless, but in the cities it would be interesting. sure, we have brightkite now, but im thinking in a more twitter esque direction
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: don't add more than 150 people to Latitude until version 2 comes out. I can't use it on my phone anymore cause I added 250. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Terry. There's a service that's being developed in Switzerland that would represent that type of information, but still early days... have to see how it evolves.
- Richard A.
Javier, have you explored the "Hide" feature and its "Hide entries like this" options?
- Bruce Lewis
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latitude updates an area, mainly brightkite does the same. imagine posting an entry and the phone instantly updates where that post (or reply) has come from. there will still be privacy settings of course but it would put the social really into social media..
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: Yeah, then again that probably happens because the people I'm interested in the most, that would drive me to actually sit down and organize all this information into rooms, etc. isn't here on FF, but they are on Twitter and FB. I definitely see the superiority of FF in terms of app, I guess I'm just a bit apprehensive to its complexity?
- Javier Altman
Robert: I'm not going to, but I have invited my direct family to follow and the occasional friend. Working fine for me. :-). I'm loving the service.
- Richard A.
Javier: you aren't the only one. Friendfeed is too complex and they know it. Hopefully they'll have an answer to that soon,
- Robert Scoble
No prob. Scobs. I know you get passionate about this stuff; just know that most of us are not as advanced as you. There is a learning curve with FF, and I'm sure you agree with that. It will take time.. Anyway, I've learned a lot from you by following you on both, and checked out FF because you suggested it and like it a lot. Just think it's up to the individual in terms of usage. Hopefully this conversation gets more people (including ones I know) on FF as it can do a lot more. Have a good day Scobs~
- Just OOH
@Richard: Dude, if a lot of people do what you do of hiding un-commented stuff, you'd miss, essentially, all of my content on FF. :D
- Javier Altman
terry, now after the enthusiast plz make some dark side to the whole project, I mean how could this new service be bad or hurting or make people in danger,!!
- abdellah
@Bruce: Not really, I probably should. But I just am not on FF enough to really explore it. I only pop in here when Robert posts this kind of thing that drives me here.
- Javier Altman
Robert: Tweetdeck FF video was great. need to clean up my lists of people, conduct searches & filters. Sorting through the pile now could take a while. I just put most into homefeed.
- Courtney Engle
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- Moghamer
Javier, but I follow people on twitter with twhirl, so i don't need the same tweets in two places. I don't want to answer without the answer being read.
- Richard A.
I'm in the same boat as Javier; the people I'm most interested in are on Twitter and FB, not FF. FF IS much better for having conversations yes, but they are often mostly about tech, food, memes and cats, so the point for some of us is moot. FF still needs a lot of work - you can't hide based on keywords; I may not want to see someone's posts on cats but I might want to see their other stuff, so filtering is very crude.
- Sally Church
Javier, you're probably over-thinking it. Try to dumb yourself down a little. Say, "This is something I don't care to see", click Hide, and follow the prompts. I think FriendFeed might actually be easier for late adopters because early adopters have all these preconceived notions about how UIs are to be structured.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
The big downside to FF over Twitter is that it requires a lot more work to make it work well and ends up with over-hiding, filtering or user scripts etc. If it's too much work it gets dispiriting. If you like tech, cats or memes then you will be in hog heaven here.
- Sally Church
@Richard: That is perfectly understandable -- btw, say hi to Maggie for me :D
- Javier Altman
Twitter is now the "classifieds" section of the social media newspaper. It's a good place to announce something. And you can start a lot of conversations with very little investment. But it is nearly impossible to carry on a dialog though the classifieds. And while you can write (or link to) a long-winded missive on Twitter, it just isn't suited for that. But sometimes, you just need to get a message out very cheaply. And Twitter does that job admirably.
- Lorin Olsen
@Robert... Twitter : Megaphone = FF : Coffe ;-)
- Luca Perugini
lorin, does this mean that twitter is a buzz machine injector?!!
- abdellah
Javier, maggieconv? Will do.
- Richard A.
@Robert ... Twitter as a Megaphone and FF as a Coffee ;-)
- Luca Perugini
It's like a shouting on a market square.
- Dimitar Vesselinov
I was showing my non-tech wife Twitter this week and right away she picked up on the difficulty of following conversations.
- Paul Rodriguez
There's a reason they call Twitter "microblogging". It's like blogging. It's hard to have an extended multi-way conversation with trackbacks.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Twitter is see current threads and Friendfeed is to talk about them
- Kim Landwehr
People who think twitter is about microblogging are the ones I don't follow.
- Richard A.
richard, so twitter is about what?!!
- abdellah
@Richard: Ok, then that brings me to a question: what is the proper use for Twitter then? I share interesting news stories from Google Reader, comment on life, use it as a cathartic tool on on occasion, comment on other people's tweets... Is that all that Twitter is, or am I missing something?
- Javier Altman
@abdellah I used to think of it as a multiplatform chat too.
- Richard A.
richard, yes it can but we haven't to do because we can. this is what bring all the pb people travesty the use of the service if they do using the api it would be intelligent and a source of innovation, but they do using the original service what make thing go out of hand.
- abdellah
Twitter has suffered from having so man new users that don't know what works and doesn't. As a result the early adopters have really decreased how often they use it.
- Richard A.
Twitter is the conversational equivalent of playing phonetag but it is definitely more lightweight than FF.
- Stephan Miller
from Friend Deck
stephan, the word playing resume the whole really :)
- abdellah
These are valid points. Never thought Twitter is an extended conversation tool. Maybe with new features like targeted tweets to different groups it can become one. It's still early days for them when you listen to Evan Williams.
- Joe Buhler
it doesn't have to be "all conversation" or "no conversation". Twitter can be for "some kinds of conversations" or "somewhat for conversation". Or you can endlessly argue that "no it isn't for conversation" and "yes it is for conversation". It's in between. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Evan Williams is the last person in the world I'll listen to when it comes to twitter. I'd rather speak to actual users of the service.
- Richard A.
I am new to Friend Feed, but not Twitter. Thanks for the lesson in FF!
- Rachel Levy
I think the big issues are #2 and #5. While search.twitter allows you to view a conversation between two people, it's far from efficient. When twitter fixes this problem, it will be a much better conversation platform.
- David Spinks
Both have their uses - and Twitter can definitely use an upgrade. I can see more journalists type people (like yourself) get more benefits from FriendFeed.
- Chris Gieger
Robert, that commonmistakesblog entry is weird. If you need to be told how to have conversations "correctly", then there is something wrong with the service.
- Andy Bakun
Twitter as a broadcasting channel only makes sense if you either 1) have a lot of followers, or 2) have followers who retweet all your tweets. This is actually no different than having a blog.
- Andy Bakun
Proof is in the pudding. Would *this* conversation happen on Twitter? No. Twitter was built as a status update service. It does that nicely. Conversations is a square peg being fit into a round hole.
- AJ Kohn
I think Friendfeed should add this list functionality into its posts. It is annooyin when people start commenting before the list is done.
- Sweyn Venderbush
from twhirl
Again I think Scoble is trying to make Twitter what he wants instead of what it is. No problem with that I guess. Twitter is great for general broadcasts and as someone else said a few quick back and forths. Those are still conversations. Just short ones. What Robert wants are discussions. Which Twitter is not for...Twitter is great for the mobile crowd who like to do as they go. There are other forums for those who like to sit at their desk and have long community discussions.
- Sidney
@Andy I think too many people who are currently into Social Media (the tech crowd) try to look at Twitter as what they can get out of it on a business level. I think it is much easier to say, "Hey I'm hitting lunch at this place who's joining me?" and it goes to all my friends instead of having to SMS everyone. This is functionality the non-techs are using it for. It's useful. Saves time and isn't meant for long drawn out discussions.
- Sidney
Something else struck me about that commonmistakesblog post... it suggests you put context in all your tweets in order to not piss of your followers who don't know what the hell you're talking about. By the time you put in context (repeating what was said already so people can jump in the middle), and @replies, the 140 character limit becomes even further limited.
- Andy Bakun
Andy: +100.
- Robert Scoble
honestly I like plurk better than twitter.I don't check friendfeed and reply to stuff that often.
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: that's cool. I just never got into Plurk. The UI there is too inefficient for me and too goofy.
- Robert Scoble
yea I agree the UI could be more mainstream, but the features and community are much better
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: I'll give it another try. Everytime I've gone there I didn't like the community. It shows that if you don't see people you recognize you'll not like the service.
- Robert Scoble
wow, im surprised that there are still people who try to enforce rules to tools like twitter,how incredibly naive. twitter is a tool, people use tools the way they want and need to, despite what you, or i tell them, its this that forms the basis of human and techno-evolution...if twitter is being used by people for conversations then it obviously meets that need at some level. its this evolution of technology that drives (or should drive) successful product and service developments,
- john
Kind of makes you wonder what made Twitter take off in the first place? Identi.ca, Plurk, Pownce, Jaiku......Is Twitter really that much better? Is it the name? Viral "marketing"? I tend to lean toward the name. I fear that FriendFeed will never catch on simply because of the name. It's not "glitzy". Neither are identi.ca, plurk, pownce, or jaiku. I'd much rather support identi.ca because it's open source.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@slayerboy: twitter's power is a global namespace which allows for interesting social dynamics: you want to know what your friends are doing, you want to share cool experiences with them, you want to follow people you admire. Twitter sux at conversations but they are *very* good at those other use cases and they are dead simple. That and they were able to attract some of the most vocal bloggers and social media advocates (Robert included)!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
robert: well of course if the people you follow don't use it then its not much use. its funny how everyone hates twitter and they keep using it. its like the myspace of mico-blogging.
- Logan Lindquist
Absolutely agree with #5 Robert - "5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself)" I find myself getting more and more frustrated with NOT being able to follow a conversation on Twitter... and esp. a conversation between 2 others...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That gives me some inspiration, Deanna. I'd like to see a feature on friendfeed that lets you "lock" an entry to just being commented by a few people, but still be public. You could do interviews and debates this way. It would be asynchronous because new activity floats it to the top where you can see it again. The most recent stuff is the stuff that shows by default (with the previous...
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- Andy Bakun
I guess you could do the same thing with a restricted access room, but they don't have the same exposure, and there's less chance of it cropping up randomly.
- Andy Bakun
@Andy Bakun - Yep, the less clicks the better and the less CLUTTER the better - have you seen this post yet?: http://friendfeed.com/e... - too much noise is frustrating, who has time to sift through it all? Your idea is interesting,do you mean that you'd want to be able to "flag" comments from specific...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That's a damn good idea, Deanna, the non-focused comments being collapsible. This would help keep things on topic, keep the focus on the target participants, but not restrict other people from participating. It's threads like this one, with 156 comments, that show the power of the FF medium and presentation and UX. Some minor tweaks and there are additional possibilities.
- Andy Bakun
Lorin, good comparison the classifieds and trying to have a conversation through them. Even better would be a comparison to the "missed connections" section of the classifieds.
- Andy Bakun
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