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What the F**K is Social Media: one year later - http://bonafidemarketinggenius.com/2009...
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"What Men Think About"
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Thanks, Jon :)
- Mona Nomura
I don't thing golf, so it's only 66% true
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
You see, we can do more things at one time!
- Ton Zijp
Le nouveau Digital Signage ! @jcfrog @pressecitron: Visible Tweets, pour regarder Twitter dans une salle d’attente http://www.presse-citron.net/visible...
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Kitchen porn: 8 most outrageous food gadgets money can buy - http://dvice.com/archive...
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Oh, oh, the celebrities are coming to friendfeed soon, according to LA Weekly - http://blogs.laweekly.com/style_c...
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But we'll always be the cool ones for finding it first
- Alan Cheslow
Too late. I claimed this couch.
- Bwana ☠
damn, well, was nice hanging with you all for a moment or two :(
- chaz2b
This should really help bring FriendFeed into the mainstream much like celebs helped boost Twitter's profile.
- Paul Jacobson
Yeah - we get to follow the amazingly deep insights of Britney Spears!!!
- Jim Connolly
but will they get on the recommended users list? ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
LOL @ Bwana :D
- vijay
*yawn*... next thing you know, my clients will come sniffing around, then my RLF. sheesh....is there no place safe to be left in peace anymore?!? <g>
- Laura Zickus
It may be too geeky for them here
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
polizeros: you actually think most of them do their own tweets? Heck no.
- Robert Scoble
Jimmy Fallon is on FF
- Outsanity
Everytime I hear Jimmy Fallon I think about the family guy episode where they mock his laughter in the middle of sketches http://www.hulu.com/watch...
- Bwana ☠
Where will we go when that happens? Identi.ca?
- Jesse Stay
Still confused about why the "highly controversial FF avatar" is highly controversial.......
- Chris Rogers
Is my mom here yet?
- Mark Traphagen
ff ftw
- Alan (Giraffes)
Awww man. Is it time to move onto the next social network? But I was liking FF.
- Manuel Arroyo
Hey cool. The first time I've ever gotten to write "I'm Thomas" in the L.A. Weekly!
- Thomas Hawk
adding "O.G." to my name
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
They can have twitter, Facebook, etc. but not ff. Maybe we can fool them into trying Strands instead!
- Michael Fidler
Luckily, FF lets me put people in a list if I chose to. I would think getting/giving 'celebrity' follows would be much more feasible in this kind of setup...
- FFing Enigma
Just like with Twitter it'll separate into two camps - the celebs that "get it" (MC Hammer, Shaq) and actually use the service - i.e. comment/like - and the ones that have their interns (eh hem Ryan Seacrest) post to their feed. The internet calls bullshit on the latter VERY quickly.
- alexia tsotsis
Your right Helen, I was just kidding around. Now, I now where to find the LA Weekly too!
- Michael Fidler
they are easier to ignore on FF than on Twitter
- andy brudtkuhl
Celebrities can takeover twitter, but they won't takeover FriendFeed!
- TheHenry
But we already have Scoble, why do we need the other celebs? Anyway, what appeal is there in engaging/chatting with a controlled celeb account?
- Winston Teo
Winston - Kudos!
- Jim Connolly
oh no run to the hills the celebs are coming
- Kim Landwehr
Who cares, as long as the lifestyle users stick around.
- Richard A.
What!!?? Abby, you *haven't* heard of AcquaintanceHub (tm) (r) ?? :)
- Richard Walker
@Chris BetterThanYourFeed ftw
- Pat Hawks
I really don't think they really need/want discussions after their posts.
- Gianluca Neri
from twhirl
Does that mean hardcore spammers are following close behind?
- Joe Mescher
from Nambu
They better contribute. :D
- Steven Perez
that's what block is for ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert - There goes the neighborhood!!!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
What do we do about the people who just import Tweets? Seems kinda lazy no? Like the celeb feeds with no @ replies - there's nothing lonelier than a one way conversation.
- alexia tsotsis
The Prime Minister of Australia, Kevin Rudd, has a Twitter account that is usually quite boring but he surprised me a couple of days a go by @ messaging the hosts of a radio show that he appeared on.
- Peter Kelley
"What do we do about the people who just import Tweets?" what do we do? um, ignore them because they aren't truly participating? what else would you do? round them up and run them out of town?
- holly #ravingfangirl
@johnpiercy as soon as people stop congregating in a place and being 'audiences' heh. Also, world peace.
- Eric Rice
see there's one already, that "eric rice" guy is a celebrity right :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
/me signs your chest, mike
- Eric Rice
that's why i always carry a sharpie ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Oh Good ... now the Paparazzi are gonna be following FF around ...
- Charlie Anzman
Not a chance.
- Leo Laporte
we'll go hide on Bulletin boards
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
you'll know the sh*t has hit the fan when they hit up usenet. oops... wait not supposed to talk about it.
- P.A.
+1 P.A. Also, I hear Jason Calcanis has begun using something called an "e-mail newsletter." Exciting stuff!
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
those LA people, always trying to hollywood up the place :)
- sean percival
oh shit, @P.A., it's Friendfeed's eternal September!
- Eric Rice
@Chris, What's challenging about FF? People are always suggesting there's something difficult about the way the service works; I just don't see it. You log on, you read things, sometimes you leave a comment or hide something or like something. Adding items to your own feed involves two button clicks. ATMs involve more tech savvy!
- Soup in a TARDIS
++Chris, two times. @jcunwired I'm sure. // Soup, I think it's more on the user's productivity, simply sending tweets and interacting on FF is really two different levels in my eye. I think it's more about the management methodology, letting people down, not able to work as fast because they need to do more per second.
- Zu from AOD
@Zu I suppose the difficulty would range according to the number of incoming feeds, although that would be true of any other social media service. To me FF seems easier and more organic than Twitter; FF provides more of a jumping off point for discussions while Twitter is...I don't know, a random collection of thoughts that often would be better off left in someone's head. Whenever I log onto Twitter I experience a 'Crap, what now?' moment - that doesn't happen for me on FF
- Soup in a TARDIS
I can't imagine it with celebrities here.
- Andrew Trinh
@Soup & Chris, so true on the random collection of thoughts. I'm also having that instance in a part of my mind. Like reading Classified Ads. And on the accessing the service, my 15 year-old brother understood how to open the account and everything, showed him how an RSS feed was key to this, but he doesn't have friends with his interests: lost user. If the message board/Dynamic RSS viewer concept was in place, then twitter would be sufficient for such a user.
- Zu from AOD
OMG we're all finished
- Thomas Power
Let them come, and check out the FFundercats podcast while they are here. :)
- Josh Haley
It's be just like Twitter, though. They'll have their assistants do all the writing, or like some I could name, insist on telling us what they're eating that day. I thought a certain famous director might be interesting to follow on Twitter, for example, but he isn't (still love his work).
- Stan Scott
It'll be a while before they get here. FF is not in that stage of its life cycle, Twitter is. Will it happen? Yeah, but remember, Twitter had a good three years (if not slightly less) before it took off.
- Brandon Mendelson
ma belle mère vient pour garder les gamins. Ma femme m'embarque par surprise, si vous avez pas de nouvelles de moi lundi prévenez la police
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Why I haven’t posted for two weeks - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Good luck!
- Ian Dexter Marquez
Cause you've been screwing around on FF? Just kidding :) Sounds like lots of change for you. Good luck!
- coldbrew
Rules?
- coldbrew
I hope your new venture is as interesting. Thanks for everything
- Scott Davies
coldbrew: see my corporate blogger's manifesto. I linked to it from my blog post.
- Robert Scoble
Yea, you can keep that, and any other rule set that you've created. Not interested. I will brake that set and never look back.
- coldbrew
"I’m working on that and hope it’s in shape so we can announce something at the SXSW conference." - Does this mean that you're going after all?
- Tamar Weinberg
As I said at TC - We're all rooting for you whatever comes next. And as Reid said, our bootstraps are all knotted together... let's get our best game on RFN! NOW can you manage a layover in Tulsa? After all... Austin's practically next door! :)
- Gerald Buckley
Weinberg, he used plain English. What is it that you do not comprehend?
- coldbrew
coldbrew, instead of being a smartass, perhaps you should know that I asked before and he said he wasn't. I also heard rumors that he wasn't, so hence me being direct about it.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar: yes, I will be at SXSW.
- Robert Scoble
Tamar: that is a change, by the way, from three weeks ago. Sorry for the confusion.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, glad to hear. Excited to see you and hear your news. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
No need to apologize, Robert. The only person who should be apologizing is coldbrew.
- Tamar Weinberg
Weinberg, instead of being an uptight boob, you should know that life is short, and the you should relax and take it easy. If you could not glean that he is now attending SXSW, I am without the ability to clarify without making fun of you.
- coldbrew
Apologizing? Because you can't comprehend English?
- coldbrew
"don’t write if your life is in turmoil." that's indeed very good advice. You were already so wise back then. :)
- Meryn Stol
coldbrew: "we"' could represent an entity and may not necessarily include Robert. So yes, I am justified in asking a legitimate question. Again, instead of being a smartass, let me ask Robert the question, and do me a favor - don't get involved.
- Tamar Weinberg
Please block me if you cannot deal with my pointing out that you asked a stupid question. Do not act like FF is your domain to have a private conversation, that is for email. And, if you are that uptight you probably need a break anyway. I meant no harm, and you blew this way out of proportion.
- coldbrew
"There is no such thing as a stupid question." Clearly, you are just above us all. In any event, this isn't the place to hijack Robert's thread, and my question was not intended to do that either. I have no idea why you considered it your place to do so, but hey, the rest of the world will be the judge of who is the stupid one. Have a nice day.
- Tamar Weinberg
Yo, yo, yo, knock it off. Geesh!
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, Scoble. I was shooting for levity (as one might at 4am when they are still at the office). My girlfriend says I'm turning 12 this year :)
- coldbrew
Well, good luck Robert! You are responsible for getting me to FF...Tks for all.
- Mauricio Fonseca
Good luck Robert!!
- Jim Connolly
You know, there is an astonishing amount of ass-kissing and stupidity among various folks in this space. I'm sorry for calling it out, but I truly look forward to meeting many of you people b/c, in person, one cannot hide this crap.
- coldbrew
Coldbrew, with regard to "meeting people in person", have you noticed you're the only one not posting under your real name?
- Meryn Stol
Stol, will you be at SXSW? I think I'm now heading down there and that would be cool.
- coldbrew
Mohomed, ask my references... But if you really in doubt, I think I can manage to provide some id. I don't think that anyone doubts that Robert's name is Robert though.
- Meryn Stol
Coldbrew, no, I live in The Netherlands, and I don't like flying. (plus this would be really expensive of course).
- Meryn Stol
I respect you, Stol. I just don't believe in taking privacy lightly. I know this will present some problems for me, and I can handle it. It is quite obvious that using an alias scares people here that can't fathom the idea.
- coldbrew
Good luck, Robert. Looking forward to hearing about the next step of the journey.
- Tom Guarriello
Nice ass kiss, Guarriello.
- coldbrew
Scoble must be disgusted with this crap.
- coldbrew
Best wishes with your new venture, can't wait to hear more!
- Jamie Vidamour
I hope you people have met Scoble in person.
- coldbrew
So Obama *is* picking you for CTO then after all?
- Prokofy Neva
So we'll see you at SXSW
- paul mooney
Wow, first you stopped drinking diet pepsi, now a career move. You sure know how to live on the edge! Looking forward to hearing your newest ideas!
- tracy
good luck Mr Scoble, may you choose wisely :)
- chaz2b
Good luck to you, my friend. I'm sure where ever the journey takes you, it will be a fun ride.
- Warner Crocker
Best wishes, Robert. I suspect these changes will open very profitable doors for you.
- Tim Beyers
from twhirl
All the best Robert. Change can be tough but it can also be exciting. I know I'm excited to see what you do next!
- AJ Kohn
Good Luck. I'm pretty sure you'll do better!
- Alex Sauceda
Good luck, Robert. Interested to see what you're planning next.
- Mark Trapp
Good luck Scoby!
- iTad
Good luck Robert - looking forward to seeing what's next!
- Jordan Hofker
good luck robert - as usual love your ability to attract and help us all filter out trolls here on ff, it is much appreciated - you should consider monetizing that somehow ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
break a leg
- DC Crowley
Excited to see what happens next.
- Andy Roth
Robert, good luck. Hope to see you writing again soon. (I have met Robert in real-life coldbrew, is it ok to write a comment now?....)
- Alexander van Elsas
good luck on the move. and you'll enjoy wordpress.org :-)
- Jonathan Blundell
Good luck, Robert
- Bret Taylor
Good luck, Robert! Looking forward to more exciting announcements from you.
- Moushumi Kabir
Best of luck. You are going to keep innovating, I know.
- Phil Boiarski
All the best for things to come !!
- Jayavasanthan J
Best of luck and good vibes, Robert. This has to be a stressful period for you.
- Sean McBride
Good luck Robert. I am sure you will find something great and exciting to do. But I hope you will continue to post great info., etc. on FF and Twitter.
- Bill Romanos
Robert, I wish you the best on your next adventure!
- Jeremy Brooks
Best of luck and looking forward to what's next!
- Loren Heiny
Good luck Robert - I look forward to reading the next chapter of your life. :)
- Laura Zickus
Best of luck to you. Very interested in seeing/hearing what you might announce at SXSW
- Tamara
Best of luck. I went and saw all the latest videos you did, great job, can't wait to see what's next from you
- Gubatron
Good luck Robert, Iknow whatever you do next will be awesome!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
I wish you luck, sorry to hear that it happened so soon, though.
- Tyson Key
If you want me to host your wordpress on my server let me know. It is a media temple grid server that is cloud based. Consider it my repayment for all the great content.
- Jonathan
Good luck! Does it mean you are NOT coming to visit Israel any time soon?
- Niv
Best of luck Robert. Whatever is ahead for you is bound to be exciting.
- Ginger Kenney
Hope your new venture is half the work (more family and self time), twice the pay, and offers the same great level of thoughts and content that we're all accustomed too.
- Patrick Jordan
is friendfeed hiring any marketing people yet? ;-) break a leg, dude.
- Karim
On to the next adventure--I like the speaking tour idea in another thread.
- Betsy Devine
Robert, I have in my own world, lived your first 2 sentences when I lost my job. It is indeed hard to do that and I haven't met anyone yet who can breeze through it. I so agree with not letting the "cat"-harsis out of the bag when that happens. Well done.
- Melanie Reed
Robert - I am very excited for what lies ahead for you! You can write your own ticket, so this will be fun. Personally, I think you should be the CMO for Friendfeed You already evangelize the heck out of it and you clearly understand the value of it! :) Cheers!! Wishing you all the best!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Robert - you will make an exciting transformation and we will benefit from your experience. My best to you and yours during this exciting yet challenging life moment.
- ka3drr
Robert, you and your family are in my prayers for blessings
- Melanie Reed
Here is Why Facebook is not as Cool as FriendFeed and Why it Totally Makes My Head Hurt Sometimes - http://flickr.com/photos...
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No. Way.
- Tinfoil 2.0
-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE!
- Jennifer Windrum
and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
=O
- Shevonne
You know you can turn that off right?
- Eric P
hahahahhaa
- Shevonne
horrible
- andy brudtkuhl
OUCCCCH (E.T. Voice)
- sean percival
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
wow
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- SOMEBODY!
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
PREACH!!
- Derrick
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- SOMEBODY!
I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ...
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
You're just waaaay too popular, Tom ;-)
- Dave Fortheloss
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
*Brain cramp*
- Shey
HOLY FRAKKIN' FRAK
- Josh Haley
Sweet baby Jesus
- Rahsheen the Dream
I've just been blocking all Facebook apps.
- Morton Fox
INSANE Bro!
- Francis Aldana
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Gypsy
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Gypsy
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
RT yourself from June 2008?
- ThePicMan
Sweet baby jesus on a stick!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Jebus Herschel Krustovsky! That's ridiculous!
- Abbas Haider Ali
You should make that your Twitter background. :)
- Pete D
This post is what made me finally deactivate my Facebook account. I've had enough.
- Rochelle
HUGE LOL
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
aw man, what happened to the flickr image?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris Charabaruk
that's crazy!
- K.D.
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris Charabaruk
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris Charabaruk
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Try Facebuprofen.
- david beckwith
Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :)
- JR
ha ha
- Saravanan
Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so.
- Chris Charabaruk
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
Holy Facebook Crap Batman!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
Urgh! So true!
- Vera
I just ignore pretty much everything that's not a message or a new friend request.
- Jim the Blatant
NADD
- bifurcafe
DELETE BUTTTTTOOOONNNNN!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April
Use http://www.ignoreall.com/ Cleans up everything in a jiffy.
- jho
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
Why Twitter is not for conversations. I will give you five reasons here:
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1. If you get into something with one other person all your other followers will start complaining.
- Robert Scoble
2. You can't "thread" and "capture" a conversation, like I can here.
- Robert Scoble
3. Most people on Twitter that are joining lately are not people who participate. Compare @ev's followers to mine.
- Robert Scoble
4. Twitter's expected usage is "what are you doing?" Not "what would you like to chat with your friends?" Whenever I try to break that usage I get tons of hate DMs and tons of unfollows.
- Robert Scoble
i still have 2 reasons. the first one is that wa have other solution if we want to discuss about all and nothing, the tchat our DM for example and te second one is that twitter is to propose interested news about different interested subjects (it is better :) ) and not to give personal informations
- Alice Cordonnier
5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself).
- Robert Scoble
Jonathan: Twitter is great for attracting attention to something, or just sending out a general update. For actually going into any detail at all about something, however, it's sorely lacking, and not just because of the 140 character limit.
- Chris Charabaruk
Jonathan: Twitter is great for going back and forth about twice. If you want to get really involved it really really sucks. It pisses off all your other followers. DM's would be fun, but you can only DM people who follow you. Makes that worthless to use for a lot of people.
- Robert Scoble
Re. to 4: Interestingly, I really enjoy those conversations that form on Twitter, I start click the "In reply to..." all the time and I end up seeing the twitter pages of new, interesting people.
- Javier Altman
Finally, if you get to 1,000 followers or more (like many of my friends), you'll miss a lot of stuff and so the conversation might be disjointed.
- Robert Scoble
@robert: there are other services ;)
- Enrico
First one, impossible to keep track of conversations, 2 user engagement is low 3. Information value is negligible.
- Richard A.
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME discovery tool. Yes. But it is a CRAPPY conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. which is why I use twitter as I do.
- Richard A.
That is true, as purely conversational in anything that is more than 1 or 2 messages in "depth" or "length" or whatever you wanna call it, it's quite terrible. Also, I find that if you follow too many people, then every single "conversation" is impossible to follow. I'm following 200 people, and that's hard to manage and follow some times.
- Javier Altman
Agreed. Twitter is a great platform for spreading knowledge, not for idle back & forth chit chat.
- David Lanning
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME listening tool (especially if you have TweetDeck) because you can listen to lots of people on specific topics (thanks to search). It's also an AWESOME promotional tool (look how Mashable is using Twitter) but it's a horrid conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
David. Spreading knowledge? A hyperlink with no real description? No value to me. I want to know why someone is linking to something.
- Richard A.
David: I wouldn't go that far. Out of 10,000 Tweets 9,996 are pretty stupid. Should I give you some examples?
- Robert Scoble
I find I get a lot smarter by using Google Reader and following some people who put some thought into blogging. Friendfeed and twitter are NOT places I typically find deep thoughts unless it's from someone like Tim O'Reilly, Jay Rosen, or Dave Winer and they both are always linking out to interesting stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. I really like how twitter used to be "awesome" as a conversational tool in the past. Now though people have far less time for the site.
- Richard A.
I definitely agree on that, Robert. Too bad Twitter has become so centralized and developed a "star system" so quickly... a ton of people with interesting things to say are simply lost in the cloud left in the wake of @kevinrose or @levarburton, you know? The big guys get listened to and usually have little of interest to say -- the smaller guys with actual content worth your time are never heard of.
- Javier Altman
Javier, the little guys are the community builders, their engagement provides the dynamics the timeline needs to keep people engaged.
- Richard A.
Threaded conversations are needed on Twitter. Becomes increasingly painful to understand what people are referring to sometimes
- Paul Papadimitriou
Ryo: Twitter is way older and is further along the growth curve. Friendfeed also requires more work and more engagement. Look at all the icons on the people who are following me here (or that I'm following). Now compare those icons to the ones of the users in @ev's account. Not even close to the same kinds of users. I'd rather have one friendfeed user than 100 twitterers. Watch over the next year and you'll see what I'm seeing.
- Robert Scoble
@paul: "Threaded conversations are needed" ... sure :)
- Enrico
Javier: Sometimes what those big folk say is something people do want to hear, though. Levar Burton had a big tweetup in Toronto at the beginning of the week, with only an hour's notice on Twitter. Friend of mine got to meet him, blogged about it, and had his server crash under the load when Burton linked to the post in Twitter. But yeah, things of note from the celebs are usually pretty rare. (The post that caused the crash: http://imaddicted.ca/interne... )
- Chris Charabaruk
Conversation certainly is easier here both to follow and understand. Less chance of being unfollowed for saying something out of context or annoying new users.
- Pete Gilbert
Chris: and Levar is one of the real celebrities who actually engages a community. I met him at CES. Really great guy.
- Robert Scoble
If Twitter wants to be a great conversation tool, they should figure some way to spin out conversations from the tweet streams of the conversationalists (and I don't mean DMs). That they don't seem to be bothering with that is another strike against the service, at least in my books.
- Chris Charabaruk
@Richard: I don't see how much community can be built when your word isn't reaching anyone -- that's how I feel twitter is working lately, what you say gets missed in the cloud.
- Javier Altman
I think that we havn't to blame any service that offer a rest api, if there is some kind of lake in some feature then innovate, the main element to get in mind is to avoid redenduncy.
- abdellah
@Chris: Maybe LeVar wasn't the best example, of course Geordi LaForge would have something interesting to say :D
- Javier Altman
Javier I have written quite a few blog posts about twitter and community building because of how frustrated I am by how passive the site has become. All those I used to follow are now following thousands. They no longer focus on friends anymore. I agree with you.
- Richard A.
@Chris: I think that if the web interface for Twitter somehow added the "in reply to's.." that are chained together onto a collapsible tab below a particular, original tweet on the timeline, the problem would be solved.
- Javier Altman
@Richard: Exactly, that's why I actually went back the other day and started un-following people. I want to focus my attention, and hopefully that will trickle down to others in my stream.
- Javier Altman
Brilliant and I was angry with you, silly me :). Twitter is more or less like a group IM. Mirco-blogging not so much.
- Chirag Chamoli
Javier, Because I did the same thing I had 11 pages of conversation in twelve hours. I was quite happy with that result. :-), made twitter feel vibrant once more. I like feeling that people want to engage for more than one message at a time.
- Richard A.
Ooh.. I don't know about this Scobs... I use FF and Twitter, but I have learned a lot, met some Great people, AND had some great conversations on Twitter, whether by tweets or DM. I do agree that FF is a more advanced version of Twitter, but I also agree that you have more "reach" on Twitter. I think Twitter a combo of conversation, info sharing (NOT just linking all the time), and connecting; at least until FF can get more "mainstream." The phone's still always good for conversations. :)
- Just OOH
Martin Schecter says I'm wrong: http://www.commonmistakesblog.com/2009... -- but this is something he can not do on Twitter (join together lots of little pieces into one whole). Give it up, Twitter sucks for conversations and building knowledge on a topic. Quick, go to Twitter search and find all Tweets on this conversation. You can't. Don't even try.
- Robert Scoble
Just Out Of Home: Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter. You haven't really used them if you believe that.
- Robert Scoble
what about app that offer to create twitter users group?!!
- abdellah
I actually see a use case for both. As a pure broadcasting channel Twitter is great, many people don´t even care about @replies. All they care about is that many people hear what they have to say. A conversation can and will never happen nicely on Twitter, not only because of the technical limitations but in my opinion also because of the different user structure. Twitter will stay popular but will also get polluted more and more. FF might be able to grow with a different user base towards something bigger.
- Bastian
I personally find Friendfeed quite daunting. I like the simplicity of Twitter, it's "shoot and forget"-ness, so to speak. Friendfeed is more involved, which helps for conversations, but because everything is linked together in a feed, it can get unmanageable quite quickly. That said, Twitter is obviously imperfect as well.
- Javier Altman
Bastian: exactly. Twitter is a "pure broadcasting channel." It's stunningly awesome for that.
- Robert Scoble
Bastian, if you want subscribers get an RSS feed, easier to sort by source.
- Richard A.
"Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter" - then I'd love to know why both continue to be thrown into battle against each other. Can't they just co-exist?
- Shawn Farner
Javier: right. But that's why your engagement here will increase over time and on Twitter yours will decrease over time. By the way, Facebook is seeing a ton more engagement (per user) than Twitter is. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
Friendefeed is a web forum based around RSS aggregation. We use feedly to find the articles, say why we're think they're interesting and people decide whether to pay attention according to that. Twitter makes that much harder to do.
- Richard A.
simply because they take it seriousely, remember friend real life one are watching
- abdellah
Adding threading, groups, rich DM, would turn twitter into an IRC-meme product, useless. twitter is more a broadcasting product and needs to focus on search, trends, more than interaction
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from Nambu
seriously the most ridiculous is their trend :) have you take time to see twitter trend?
- abdellah
Robert: I think Facebook is a different creature altogether -- The engagement could stem from IM-ing, or maybe from the silly apps and quizzes you take in it. I personally don't like Facebook, I rarely go in there, and only update the status by having my Twitter linked to it. And I have to disagree, my engagement is still on Twitter more than Friendfeed, and I haven't seen any particular increase or decrease there. Sure, topics like this keep me refreshing the page, but that happens on Forums too :)
- Javier Altman
Robert: Facebook is like Friendfeed. we share our personal images with friends (when not web celebs) share blog posts, comments about small things. It's a more intimate community. There is a lot of common ground.
- Richard A.
Javier: you really need to sit down with me sometime and I'll show you why facebook is so much more engaging. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about. YOUR engagement might be high. I'm talking about the aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
I have been using both for awhile; per your suggestion actually. I might not be the master of this stuff, but I think it's not really a matter of belief; more to do with how you (an individual) want to use both sites. Like I said, I like Friendfeed more and wish more people I know use it, but it's really up to the person, no? I've been quite happy in terms of how I use both, granted FF is far more organized, and also has more reach if you know how to use it right.
- Just OOH
Robert: might be hard to do from Argentina to California, but I'm game :D But seriously, can you expound on the aggregate?
- Javier Altman
i want more of my face to face friends here too, but they aren't so tech or early adopters. if they are here, not to participate - just stream. educating the general public on value here will make this stand out more.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney: they will come. Twitter had the same feel to it two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
"Aggregation"-wise yes. I agree that FF is FAR more better/advanced than Twitter.
- Just OOH
Courtney. They're on Facebook though right? Just use the status messages as a form of twitter. It's just as versatile as twitter itself.
- Richard A.
from my point of view, FF is more personal, because as some oy you said, we can post fotos, we can play some games, it is for me a distraction, Twitter is more profitable to find interested people who work on your market or have the same interests on particular subjects. That's why i make a big difference btw both sites, the contents i put is totaly opposite
- Alice Cordonnier
Robert Llewellyn is another one who's really into it as well he talks back to the twitterers (okay, he was teasing me about knowing about red dwarf 9, but you know) and he's big into blip. and to a point, yes, even bloody ashton and demi :P
- Terry O'Fee
I don't get how you could make Twitter be threaded and still have it be Twitter, which is this rolling stream. You can have little micro convos on Twitter but it's easier to get into a fight precisely because most people on Twitter are on broadcast mode, dispensing with a pearl of wisdom they imagine their hundreds or thousands of fans merely want to docilely listen to, and they hate backtalk. Whoever gets the good backtalk app working will win.
- Prokofy Neva
This is probably a noob question, but Plurk offers convo threading, grouping in the form of cliques so why aren't people talking about it as a viable option to the address the concerns listed above?
- Tech Teacher
the interface :)
- abdellah
Robert - I believe FB is more popular (not better, mind) because it's social networking at its simplest. it's wonderful for older parents who don't get twitter or friendfeed to sign up and add as much or as little as they want. perfect for the people who just want a small, family connection online..
- Terry O'Fee
personnaly I will not use it for just one reason the damn interface.
- abdellah
@Kimberly: probably because Plurk didn't ever get critical mass of users. Without the userbase, you can have the best app, and never get anywhere.
- Javier Altman
Kimberly: the UI of Plurk feels like a coloring book to me. I never took to it. The people who joined it at first also were not the kind of people who I wanted to have conversations with. Plus, friendfeed was way way way better at all this stuff than Plurk was and friendfeed was started by three superstars from Google. Plurk? I don't even know the people who started it.
- Robert Scoble
terry, FB is more particular due to it rigid rule, compared to twitter or FF the process on mutual fellowing is a walk in fire.
- abdellah
Funny that back when I started using Twitter in 2006, it was bad etiquette to have too many @'s in your stream. Now that seems to be inversed.
- Sam Harrelson
plurk needs to get rid of that stupid karma crap as well. people on there "plurk" and reply so theyre top of their karma, not because they feel like it
- Terry O'Fee
I agree with Alice's point as well. I just don't like rules set forth on this stuff. I enjoy both, wish more were on FF as I would certainly use it more than Twitter, but they are simply not. Let's just agree to disagree on some points and call it a day Scobs. Also, NO need to insult someone's intelligence because they might not be able to use this stuff as well as you do. That's just not a good conversation, speaking of..
- Just OOH
you deserve a kiss for the karma mention, I hate it
- abdellah
Just Out Of Home: you are right. I'm sorry.
- Robert Scoble
abdellah - mwah!
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: I do remember early Twitter. It was still mostly status update. Too much of that now seems like they don't have much to contribute and aren't connecting. If Twitter users just do status updates it seems like they are self absorbed or lack contribution of some sort. They're still learning over there. Wait till their eyes open here.
- Courtney Engle
I'm sorry, but how the hell would you be able to cope with the stream of information on Friendfeed (considering all that gets aggregated) if it had Twitter's mass? You'd be able to "follow" 20 people and that's it, otherwise you'd never be able to be involved with anybody.
- Javier Altman
terry , mwah too (what about kiss feature here in FF) :)
- abdellah
Richard: I turned the Twitter sync off as I want my FB wall to not be overwhelmed in my tweets. I keep it for friends to post there, reply, and engage. The sync would make it a mass broadcast firehose drowning those yet to know Twitter or FF, but I do have digg, greader, flickr, etc all synced back to my wall.
- Courtney Engle
OT a little, do you ever see in the future a greater integration with gps services on phones with social networks?? imagine being able to see twitters from people in your area. able to contact or @ them?? imagine the advertisers, theyd have a field day! a computer twittering deals close by to where you are...
- Terry O'Fee
Javier: you are absolutely wrong. I'm following 14,000 and 28,000 are following me here on friendfeed and it's FAR easier to deal with large numbers here than over on twitter.
- Robert Scoble
@Terry isn't that called Loopt?
- Javier Altman
terry, oh yes and it sound pretty good perspective, but there will be always a spammer here or elswere to make thing collapse, the main problem with twitter is that twitter bases how fragile and how risky to build on fragile foundation.
- abdellah
Robert: Hmm, I see. It could very well be the way I interact with these type of service then. If Twitter only has 140 character lines as the only input and I already have a hard time keeping up with the people I follow, I can't imagine how chaotic it'd be to do that here, plus all the other aggregated info (digg, youtube, likes, dislikes, commenting, etc...)
- Javier Altman
Courtney, I don't sync twitter with facebook. I tweet far too much. What I mean is that it's short messages people can comment on without having to join a new service :-)
- Richard A.
Javier: because you aren't seeing the advantages of having lists, rooms, and the metadata that lets you hide lame stuff (you can hide all tweets that don't have a like, for instance).
- Robert Scoble
Terry, Google latitude has been running non stop on my phone for three weeks by now, works fine. used it to meet one friend a few times already.
- Richard A.
Javier: you should watch this video: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Javier. I hide all tweets that haven't been responded to. Works well for me.
- Richard A.
i dont just mean advertising though, it would be awesome for twitter meetups for example. where is @(insertname), you could have them on a list to see where they are, see just tweets from people in the area as well, i mean out here in the sticks it would be useless, but in the cities it would be interesting. sure, we have brightkite now, but im thinking in a more twitter esque direction
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: don't add more than 150 people to Latitude until version 2 comes out. I can't use it on my phone anymore cause I added 250. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Terry. There's a service that's being developed in Switzerland that would represent that type of information, but still early days... have to see how it evolves.
- Richard A.
Javier, have you explored the "Hide" feature and its "Hide entries like this" options?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
latitude updates an area, mainly brightkite does the same. imagine posting an entry and the phone instantly updates where that post (or reply) has come from. there will still be privacy settings of course but it would put the social really into social media..
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: Yeah, then again that probably happens because the people I'm interested in the most, that would drive me to actually sit down and organize all this information into rooms, etc. isn't here on FF, but they are on Twitter and FB. I definitely see the superiority of FF in terms of app, I guess I'm just a bit apprehensive to its complexity?
- Javier Altman
Robert: I'm not going to, but I have invited my direct family to follow and the occasional friend. Working fine for me. :-). I'm loving the service.
- Richard A.
Javier: you aren't the only one. Friendfeed is too complex and they know it. Hopefully they'll have an answer to that soon,
- Robert Scoble
No prob. Scobs. I know you get passionate about this stuff; just know that most of us are not as advanced as you. There is a learning curve with FF, and I'm sure you agree with that. It will take time.. Anyway, I've learned a lot from you by following you on both, and checked out FF because you suggested it and like it a lot. Just think it's up to the individual in terms of usage. Hopefully this conversation gets more people (including ones I know) on FF as it can do a lot more. Have a good day Scobs~
- Just OOH
@Richard: Dude, if a lot of people do what you do of hiding un-commented stuff, you'd miss, essentially, all of my content on FF. :D
- Javier Altman
terry, now after the enthusiast plz make some dark side to the whole project, I mean how could this new service be bad or hurting or make people in danger,!!
- abdellah
@Bruce: Not really, I probably should. But I just am not on FF enough to really explore it. I only pop in here when Robert posts this kind of thing that drives me here.
- Javier Altman
Robert: Tweetdeck FF video was great. need to clean up my lists of people, conduct searches & filters. Sorting through the pile now could take a while. I just put most into homefeed.
- Courtney Engle
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- Moghamer
Javier, but I follow people on twitter with twhirl, so i don't need the same tweets in two places. I don't want to answer without the answer being read.
- Richard A.
I'm in the same boat as Javier; the people I'm most interested in are on Twitter and FB, not FF. FF IS much better for having conversations yes, but they are often mostly about tech, food, memes and cats, so the point for some of us is moot. FF still needs a lot of work - you can't hide based on keywords; I may not want to see someone's posts on cats but I might want to see their other stuff, so filtering is very crude.
- Sally Church
Javier, you're probably over-thinking it. Try to dumb yourself down a little. Say, "This is something I don't care to see", click Hide, and follow the prompts. I think FriendFeed might actually be easier for late adopters because early adopters have all these preconceived notions about how UIs are to be structured.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
The big downside to FF over Twitter is that it requires a lot more work to make it work well and ends up with over-hiding, filtering or user scripts etc. If it's too much work it gets dispiriting. If you like tech, cats or memes then you will be in hog heaven here.
- Sally Church
@Richard: That is perfectly understandable -- btw, say hi to Maggie for me :D
- Javier Altman
Twitter is now the "classifieds" section of the social media newspaper. It's a good place to announce something. And you can start a lot of conversations with very little investment. But it is nearly impossible to carry on a dialog though the classifieds. And while you can write (or link to) a long-winded missive on Twitter, it just isn't suited for that. But sometimes, you just need to get a message out very cheaply. And Twitter does that job admirably.
- Lorin Olsen
@Robert... Twitter : Megaphone = FF : Coffe ;-)
- Luca Perugini
lorin, does this mean that twitter is a buzz machine injector?!!
- abdellah
Javier, maggieconv? Will do.
- Richard A.
@Robert ... Twitter as a Megaphone and FF as a Coffee ;-)
- Luca Perugini
It's like a shouting on a market square.
- Dimitar Vesselinov
I was showing my non-tech wife Twitter this week and right away she picked up on the difficulty of following conversations.
- Paul Rodriguez
There's a reason they call Twitter "microblogging". It's like blogging. It's hard to have an extended multi-way conversation with trackbacks.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Twitter is see current threads and Friendfeed is to talk about them
- Kim Landwehr
People who think twitter is about microblogging are the ones I don't follow.
- Richard A.
richard, so twitter is about what?!!
- abdellah
@Richard: Ok, then that brings me to a question: what is the proper use for Twitter then? I share interesting news stories from Google Reader, comment on life, use it as a cathartic tool on on occasion, comment on other people's tweets... Is that all that Twitter is, or am I missing something?
- Javier Altman
@abdellah I used to think of it as a multiplatform chat too.
- Richard A.
richard, yes it can but we haven't to do because we can. this is what bring all the pb people travesty the use of the service if they do using the api it would be intelligent and a source of innovation, but they do using the original service what make thing go out of hand.
- abdellah
Twitter has suffered from having so man new users that don't know what works and doesn't. As a result the early adopters have really decreased how often they use it.
- Richard A.
Twitter is the conversational equivalent of playing phonetag but it is definitely more lightweight than FF.
- Stephan Miller
from Friend Deck
stephan, the word playing resume the whole really :)
- abdellah
These are valid points. Never thought Twitter is an extended conversation tool. Maybe with new features like targeted tweets to different groups it can become one. It's still early days for them when you listen to Evan Williams.
- Joe Buhler
it doesn't have to be "all conversation" or "no conversation". Twitter can be for "some kinds of conversations" or "somewhat for conversation". Or you can endlessly argue that "no it isn't for conversation" and "yes it is for conversation". It's in between. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Evan Williams is the last person in the world I'll listen to when it comes to twitter. I'd rather speak to actual users of the service.
- Richard A.
I am new to Friend Feed, but not Twitter. Thanks for the lesson in FF!
- Rachel Levy
I think the big issues are #2 and #5. While search.twitter allows you to view a conversation between two people, it's far from efficient. When twitter fixes this problem, it will be a much better conversation platform.
- David Spinks
Both have their uses - and Twitter can definitely use an upgrade. I can see more journalists type people (like yourself) get more benefits from FriendFeed.
- Chris Gieger
Robert, that commonmistakesblog entry is weird. If you need to be told how to have conversations "correctly", then there is something wrong with the service.
- Andy Bakun
Twitter as a broadcasting channel only makes sense if you either 1) have a lot of followers, or 2) have followers who retweet all your tweets. This is actually no different than having a blog.
- Andy Bakun
Proof is in the pudding. Would *this* conversation happen on Twitter? No. Twitter was built as a status update service. It does that nicely. Conversations is a square peg being fit into a round hole.
- AJ Kohn
I think Friendfeed should add this list functionality into its posts. It is annooyin when people start commenting before the list is done.
- Sweyn Venderbush
from twhirl
Again I think Scoble is trying to make Twitter what he wants instead of what it is. No problem with that I guess. Twitter is great for general broadcasts and as someone else said a few quick back and forths. Those are still conversations. Just short ones. What Robert wants are discussions. Which Twitter is not for...Twitter is great for the mobile crowd who like to do as they go. There are other forums for those who like to sit at their desk and have long community discussions.
- Sidney
@Andy I think too many people who are currently into Social Media (the tech crowd) try to look at Twitter as what they can get out of it on a business level. I think it is much easier to say, "Hey I'm hitting lunch at this place who's joining me?" and it goes to all my friends instead of having to SMS everyone. This is functionality the non-techs are using it for. It's useful. Saves time and isn't meant for long drawn out discussions.
- Sidney
Something else struck me about that commonmistakesblog post... it suggests you put context in all your tweets in order to not piss of your followers who don't know what the hell you're talking about. By the time you put in context (repeating what was said already so people can jump in the middle), and @replies, the 140 character limit becomes even further limited.
- Andy Bakun
Andy: +100.
- Robert Scoble
honestly I like plurk better than twitter.I don't check friendfeed and reply to stuff that often.
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: that's cool. I just never got into Plurk. The UI there is too inefficient for me and too goofy.
- Robert Scoble
yea I agree the UI could be more mainstream, but the features and community are much better
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: I'll give it another try. Everytime I've gone there I didn't like the community. It shows that if you don't see people you recognize you'll not like the service.
- Robert Scoble
wow, im surprised that there are still people who try to enforce rules to tools like twitter,how incredibly naive. twitter is a tool, people use tools the way they want and need to, despite what you, or i tell them, its this that forms the basis of human and techno-evolution...if twitter is being used by people for conversations then it obviously meets that need at some level. its this evolution of technology that drives (or should drive) successful product and service developments,
- john
Kind of makes you wonder what made Twitter take off in the first place? Identi.ca, Plurk, Pownce, Jaiku......Is Twitter really that much better? Is it the name? Viral "marketing"? I tend to lean toward the name. I fear that FriendFeed will never catch on simply because of the name. It's not "glitzy". Neither are identi.ca, plurk, pownce, or jaiku. I'd much rather support identi.ca because it's open source.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@slayerboy: twitter's power is a global namespace which allows for interesting social dynamics: you want to know what your friends are doing, you want to share cool experiences with them, you want to follow people you admire. Twitter sux at conversations but they are *very* good at those other use cases and they are dead simple. That and they were able to attract some of the most vocal bloggers and social media advocates (Robert included)!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
robert: well of course if the people you follow don't use it then its not much use. its funny how everyone hates twitter and they keep using it. its like the myspace of mico-blogging.
- Logan Lindquist
Absolutely agree with #5 Robert - "5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself)" I find myself getting more and more frustrated with NOT being able to follow a conversation on Twitter... and esp. a conversation between 2 others...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That gives me some inspiration, Deanna. I'd like to see a feature on friendfeed that lets you "lock" an entry to just being commented by a few people, but still be public. You could do interviews and debates this way. It would be asynchronous because new activity floats it to the top where you can see it again. The most recent stuff is the stuff that shows by default (with the previous...
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- Andy Bakun
I guess you could do the same thing with a restricted access room, but they don't have the same exposure, and there's less chance of it cropping up randomly.
- Andy Bakun
@Andy Bakun - Yep, the less clicks the better and the less CLUTTER the better - have you seen this post yet?: http://friendfeed.com/e... - too much noise is frustrating, who has time to sift through it all? Your idea is interesting,do you mean that you'd want to be able to "flag" comments from specific...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That's a damn good idea, Deanna, the non-focused comments being collapsible. This would help keep things on topic, keep the focus on the target participants, but not restrict other people from participating. It's threads like this one, with 156 comments, that show the power of the FF medium and presentation and UX. Some minor tweaks and there are additional possibilities.
- Andy Bakun
Lorin, good comparison the classifieds and trying to have a conversation through them. Even better would be a comparison to the "missed connections" section of the classifieds.
- Andy Bakun
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