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If you want to import your Facebook status, you must have "Allow friends to subscribe to my status" checked on the "Status Updates" custom privacy setting at http://www.facebook.com/login.... This is the default, but a few people have customized it away.
urdumania1, Thomas Amberg, Xitong Liu and 50 other people liked this
Will "my network and friends" work too?
- JA Castillo
I think that's fine JA. They key is to have the "Allow friends to subscribe to my status" checkbox checked (the one right above the red bar in the second screenshot). That dialog appears when you select "Customize..." from the "Status Updates" pulldown on the first screenshot.
- Paul Buchheit
Wow, that totally fixed my issue. Thanks, Paul (and FriendFeed)!
- Mark Trapp
Thanks!
- georgeker
Thank you !
- Joan Dossetto
Sorry - this doesn't work. I have that box checked. Unimpressed.
- Mathew
Matthew, Facebook has been through at least one major redesign since this entry was posted on 21st October. Anyone help Matthew in getting his FB imported in FF?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol is correct, Facebook has changed their interface since these instructions were posted. Unfortunately, they seem to have eliminated the "Status Updates" RSS feed entirely. If you can find it, let me know.
- Paul Buchheit
The feed itself can't be gone - people who added it to FriendFeed before Facebook's UI changed are still having updates pulled in here. But as far as finding it now to add it...I've been unsuccessful. And modifying the URL of a working feed doesn't seem to work, either.
- Jandy
Yes, the RSS feeds still exist at some level, but the UI for discovering their secret urls seems to have been removed.
- Paul Buchheit
I'd love to know what the FFers think about all the changes that Facebook seems to be doing lately.
- Eric Florenzano
this link might help [http://www.techlifeweb.com/2008...].
- MikeAmundsen
btw - what i want to do is get my "wall" feed into FF. can't seem to get that, either.
- MikeAmundsen
alas, seems like the Facebook people continue to want it to be a walled garden.
- holly #ravingfangirl
I spent like half an hour last week trying to find my custom feed URL so I could import FB status into FriendFeed. No luck. =(
- Darren
Looks like FB is kind of blocking FF. Kind of showing teeth =)
- Durukan Duru
@Paul: do you anticipate Fb's announce this coming week about third-parties will give FF a chance to improve FF-Fb integration at all?
- MikeAmundsen
Wondered how to do this when adding all my services. Thanks for the explanantion :)
- Charley M
FB status is gone!
- Lonnie Robinson
so how do we get facebook updates to friendfeed?
- Noel Nuguid
Would like to know how to enable status, too!
- Andreas Stolze
so, FB buys FF, I think status feeds will be back soon
- Hakan İyice
@Hakan Agreed, they should be back soon, hopefully with the option to "CC Facebook" like you can with Twitter.
- Nathan Snyder
@mamund Thanks for the link, but it didn't really help me. You wouldn't think it would be that hard to reenable this feed.
- Nathan Snyder
from IM
is there an update to how I should get a link to "My Status" in FB? I saw a workaround that has you creating a friend list on someone else's account... but that can't really be how you do it right?
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
how's the ff/fb integration going paul? and thanks for the recent tech upgrades/fixes to ff!
- Chris Heath
does not work
- Valdas A.
as for 2010-04-30
- Valdas A.
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
Zu from AOD, Charles Frith, Dan Douglass and 136 other people liked this
Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- zio bonino
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt M (inactive)
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- zio bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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- .LAG liked that
Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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- .LAG liked that
Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali
MSFT sucks Claudio :)
- Orlando Pozo
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis...
- Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam?
- Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :)
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from IM
Don’t!
The secret of self-control. - http://www.newyorker.com/reporti...
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"At the time, psychologists assumed that children’s ability to wait depended on how badly they wanted the marshmallow. But it soon became obvious that every child craved the extra treat. What, then, determined self-control? Mischel’s conclusion, based on hundreds of hours of observation, was that the crucial skill was the “strategic allocation of attention.” Instead of getting obsessed with the marshmallow—the “hot stimulus”—the patient children distracted themselves by covering their eyes, pretending to play hide-and-seek underneath the desk, or singing songs from “Sesame Street.” Their desire wasn’t defeated—it was merely forgotten. “If you’re thinking about the marshmallow and how delicious it is, then you’re going to eat it,” Mischel says. “The key is to avoid thinking about it in the first place.” In adults, this skill is often referred to as metacognition, or thinking about thinking, and it’s what allows people to outsmart their shortcomings. (When Odysseus had himself tied to...
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- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This is an interesting quote because it implies that "will power" is more about mental strategy, not some kind of mental strength for forcing yourself to do something. I have the same strategy with food -- I eat whatever I see, so in order to not eat something I just need to put it out of sight.
- Paul Buchheit
effectively "out of sight, out of mind"
- alphaxion
This is where the magic of science is: you spend time and resources to prove a proverb.
- .i.m.a.r.s.o.r.a.m.a.
"The child who could wait fifteen minutes had an S.A.T. score that was, on average, two hundred and ten points higher than that of the kid who could wait only thirty seconds."
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Sometimes I worry my metacognition is slowing me down because I'm spending less time just cogniting. (that oughtta be a word.) But no, in all seriousness, I think something, then realize the thought was there before I subvocalized it, and then I go in a circle several times subvocalizing those same thoughts as I examine the process of thinking. Frustrating!
- Andrew C (✓)
Some friends and I refer to this study often, pointing out when we've failed the marshmallow test. Staying up late is my most common mashmallow test failure (sacrificing morning time to enjoy a few more bleary hours NOW), but it's easy to spot this sort of behavior and fun to have a standard vocabulary to highlight its ubiquity.
- Seth
Episode on Mischel's marshmallows on RadioLab -- http://blogs.wnyc.org/radiola...
- Alex Haar
As a parent, I consciously used this strategy to distract my children whenever they got in mischief, behaved badly or acted out. As a grandparent, I often send a box of tricks, things like super balls, an "uno" deck, paints, a book, a yoyo or top, for my daughter to use with my grandchildren when they are driving her crazy and need to think about something other than running around screaming.
- Phil Boiarski
OK, that makes sense, but let's flip this on its head - How do you instead keep your mind on something and prevent yourself from getting distracted? You can't distract yourself from your distractions. Andrew C, the word you're looking for is cogitating.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr Gunn, thanks. Though I think 'cogniting' is a touch funnier.
- Andrew C (✓)
Some chimpanzees use this strategy as well, though not all of them.
- Björn Brembs
i think bhudda had some theory on this too...:/
- Paul Moss
Today my 4yo daughter was having trouble waiting for a treat, so I told her (and my wife) about reading this article last night. I talked about the ability to distract - and I thought I was doing a pretty good job of explaining it in 4yo terms. When I was done with my paraphrase/lesson, I asked her if she understood. "Uh-huh," she said. Then after a few moments, she asked if we could stop and get some marshmallows on the way home. All I could do is laugh!
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
I read a different writeup of this experiment a couple years ago, when our daughter was about 1 year old. Its something that can be taught, and encouraged. She's now very good at distracting herself from something which she knows she shouldn't do or would get into trouble over. She's not easily distracted in general: she can focus quite well on something she wants to do (and is allowed to do).
- DGentry
The experiment: http://friendfeed.com/haggis...
- Jérôme
Pizza Hut -> The Hut, and Radio Shack -> The Shack. What's next?
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The Facebook... oh wait...
- Ross Miller
Olive Garden -> The Garden? Taco Bell -> The Bell?
- Kevin Fox
Ross: Competing with The Google?
- Kevin Fox
The Oval Office -> The Office; The West Wing -> The Wing; Air Force One -> The One
- Mitch
+1 to "The Bell". Ma Bell doesn't seem to want that name still anyhow.
- Alex Power
Happi House -> The House, Costco -> The Co, Pottery Barn -> The Barn, Foot Locker -> The Locker, Good Guys -> The Guys, Best Buy -> The Buy, Burger King -> The King, Arby's -> The Bee's Knees
- Stephen Mack
McDonalds -> The Don
- Spidra Webster
Yahoo -> "The Hoo"
- Alex Power
It's a fight to see which one will be "The Barn". Pottery Barn or Dress Barn....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
FFundercats -> The FFats?
- Josh Haley
Friendfeed -> The Friend
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I think they should have gone with "Teh Shack"
- George S.
In and Out -> The In (or) The Out
- Adam Kazwell
Back in Hawaii, we used the same name for everything: pretty much any person, place or thing (nouns). The term? 'DA KINE'
- Morgan
MySpace --> The Space // LinkedIn --> The Linked // Apple --> The Mac // Microsoft --> The Soft
- Louis Gray
Youtube ----> The Tube?
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Facebook = The FACE! // Google = The Goog // Gamestop = The Stop // Walmart = The Wall // K-mart = The K! // White Castle = The Castle
- ЯIИGҜIИG
Actually they should have went with "PartsShack". It's still the main reason why most people go specifically to their stores, for miscellaneous electronic extras you need fast.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm sure Taco Bell would fight Ma Bell for The Bell
- Ian Betteridge
Albertson's Safeways, Target, Macy's, Home Depot--> "The store" // Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Ebay, MySpace --> "The Internet"
- Roger N
The price of tea in China --> The price.
- Micah
BadaBing -> The Bing. Oh wait...
- Rick Cogley
TGIFridays -> The Fridays, Netflix -> The Flix, Abercrombie and Fitch -> The Fitch
- AJ Kohn
Outback Steakhouse -> The Back. Sony Walkman -> The Walk.
- Rick Cogley
Apple iPod -> The Pod Apple iPhone -> The Phone
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, The Phone, that's pretty apropos thinking about how many they sell!
- Rick Cogley
Microsoft Windows -> The Win. Um...
- Simon
I believe it is spelled "Teh" now
- Lani
Jack in the Box -> The Box
- Frankie Warren
Brooklyn's Most Expensive Apartment Is In a Clock Tower - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
caglar, Sean Kelly, Jordi Rivero and 93 other people liked this
Sharing just because I think it would be really cool to have a big clock as your window. More photos here: http://www.nytimes.com/slidesh...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Whoa, the glass-walled three story elevator is the business.
- Andrew C (✓)
and those shadows are the seller, :)
- chaz2b
I must admit, The Shadows are quite impressive, it would be interesting to see a Night Shot, too see if the Shadows are still there with a Full Moon!
- Herman D. Lawson
the clock window seems very Batman villain like.
- Roshan Vyas
It sucks to hear the bell every hour, though :-P
- Andre P. Siregar
Wow... looks like a gorgeous place to live.
- Yolanda
Looks a bit like the set of "Birds of Prey".
- Spidra Webster
Nice one. It looks like having two big clocks as windows.
- Bernie Goldbach
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...would drive you crazy!
- Anne Bouey
ok. I'll take it off your hands for $23 mill. Deal?
- Jordan Brock
You don't need to spend more for a clock on your wall :P
- Emre Öktem
it look great
- 535
FriendFeed 101: See updates by service from your friends (only blogs, flickr, bookmarks, shares, etc.)
Keith - @tsudo, Wayne Sutton, Jim Connolly and 46 other people liked this
You can enter service: and then the name to show a subset of the feeds.
- Louis Gray
For example: Blogs: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Flickr: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Delicious: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Twitter: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Google Reader: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Smugmug: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
And this works for any list, or you can search just your friends, or anybody else as an individual or their friends.
- Louis Gray
Blogs by Jesse Stay, for example: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Thanks for this.
- Sean Oliver
Internal updates from Robert Scoble: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Smugmug or Flickr photos from me: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Have a list called Favorites? Find blog posts. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Louis, you need to add your own username in [friends:], otherwise it searches [who:everyone]
- Jérôme
I think Friendfeed should reserve the username "me" for such situation (sharing filters)
- Jérôme
Jérôme is correct - use http://friendfeed.com/search... ( +friends:me )
- Nathan Chase
Nathan, I didn't know but it works! Friendfeed is so intuitive :)
- Jérôme
Will you correct them all, Louis?
- Jérôme
Jerome, I will fix, per your note.
- Louis Gray
Building on Jerome's note, you can search for any of these services by other people's friends as well.
- Louis Gray
Blogs by friends of Paul Buchheit: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Flickr updates by friends of Thomas Hawk: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Google Reader shares by friends of Mike Fruchter: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
GMail updates by friends of Kevin Fox: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
This is a nice list. There's no way to split internal to web and bookmarklet and email right? This stuff should be in a wiki.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
I'm still waiting for all Flickchart posts: http://friendfeed.com/search... :( They've got the hiding of API-services down, now just need to be able to search by them too.
- Nathan Chase
Jérôme, yeah I commented about a "me" for URLs too awhile back, it would make things far easier when sharing links.
- Kol Tregaskes
Facebook Relents, Lets You Change Your Username - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
c0wb0yz, Adam Boutte, Meryn Stol and ydfeed liked this
Google Listens, Gives A Friend-Only “Likes” Option In Reader - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Reversible Zombie Shirt
Taras Brizitsky, Kishore Balakrishnan, Adam Boutte and 7 other people liked this
Apparently these are available at Comicon. I wonder if they come in womens sizes?
- Kevin Fox
I guess the transfer on the inside makes your belly sweat.
- Ac0n (former Franc)
Is there still the available option to look at everyone's feed "The firehose" so to speak?
Adam Boutte liked this
The everyone/public feed is available at http://friendfeed.com/public
- Dan Hsiao
that's cool thanks!
- sofarsoShawn <right here>
I just opened the feed and saw an item in some Arabic script timestamped October 21 O_O
- Karl Knechtel
FriendFeed Debuts Real-Time Search Spanning 50+ Social Sites - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Mark Davidson, dhamza, Stuart Miniman and 63 other people liked this
ego search is fun again
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
you lost your ego? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Real-time search is a great feature.. Yeah!
- John Serra
FF FTW!
- Shane
Why I am using Peoplebrowsr for real-time search: I can quickly skim through 16 searches with three keystrokes using the right cursor key in just a few seconds. Bam. Zap. Mainlining the net with zero friction. I like it like that.
- Sean McBride
@ sean - using Peoplebrowsr for the same thing. seems a little heavy though.
- michael sean wright
A bit heavy, indeed, but I don't know of any other real-time search service that comes close to providing the ability to navigate so much info so quickly and efficiently. Monitoring dozens of feeds on what is essentially a single screen is a breeze.
- Sean McBride
So does this replace Google Reader?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Sean: now some of the features that were available only through clients such as peoplebrowser can be had natively, making them more accessible to many users :)
- Mike Chelen
That is really the right headline for this FF feature: the fact that it's real-time for all these different sites. FF continues to be a powerful tool, well defined and eminently useful and usable.
- Andy Bakun
the real-time is interesting, but as you stated, since it's limited to only the FriendFeed base, it doesn't seem as powerful as Twitter search. Couldn't they expand to all FriendFeed, all public Facebook, etc? Truly searching real-time from all status across platforms would be scary good.
- Stuart Miniman
FriendFeed Beta Service Icons for Greasemonkey - http://userscripts.org/scripts...
HealingBrush, The Fat Oracle, Adam Boutte and 80 other people liked this
Inspired by zoblue and Ken Sheppardson, here is a Greasemonkey script that dynamically adds the service icons to each post.
- chrisofspades
from Bookmarklet
zoblue was headed in the right direction here (http://beta.friendfeed.com/zoblue...), but had the limitation of needing a CSS style created for each service. I was able use the API to grab the service icon dynamically.
- chrisofspades
Ken's discussion here (http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...) led to the placement of the icon.
- chrisofspades
Cool, I don't suppose this can go with AJ's CleanerFriendFeed scirpt? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Feedback and suggestions please!
- chrisofspades
Good work. Does it cache the icons?
- James Myatt
Kol, installing both shouldn't be an issue. AJ's is actually a user style, so the two don't conflict.
- chrisofspades
Ah, brilliant. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
James, it pulls the icon from friendfeed, so if friendfeed caches it then yes.
- chrisofspades
Awesome! I love it :D Installed! I'm glad it was done better, the CSS was cumbersome
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
There we go. Nice. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Super, thanks very much!
- Simon Wicks
çok güzele benziyor.
- Çağatay " SKYLAB " Şama
Installing
- Bwana ☠
Installed
- Holger Eilhard
Could this be standard in FF - without installing anything?
- Frode Stenstrøm
This isn't working for me in Chrome (v2.0.172.1). Any ideas?
- Kol Tregaskes
dont show at all for me.. chrome too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Me neither, although CleanerFriendFeed does.
- t0rx
doesn't work for locked accounts
- Davide Leonelli
Davide, locked accounts?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yan, yep same here.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I think Davide means that it doesn't work on private feeds. I'm using FF's public API so it won't work for private entries. I'll take a look at the Chrome issue.
- chrisofspades
well I figured out why it doesn't work in Chrome (http://dev.chromium.org/develop...), but I can't find a fix. sorry guys.
- chrisofspades
"Could this be standard in FF - without installing anything?" LOL, it is standard in the old friendfeed!
- Mr. Gunn
Maybe this could be added to beta.friendfeed as a new feature??
- Chris Loft
Installed! awesome!
- Justin Korn
OK, thanks, Chris.
- Kol Tregaskes
johnpiercy wins the intertubes
- mjc
Amazing!
- Sweyn Venderbush
♥♥♥♥♥
- Gypsy
Chris (chrisofspades): http://beta.friendfeed.com/micahwi... Thanks!
- Micah
OK, this is a good example to resume the lost favicon~
- K.D.
I love Greasemonkey.
- Robert Scoble
Between this, AJ's Cleaner Friendfeed, and pausing realtime, it's actually starting to become usable for me. Just need to work on easily finding everything I want and I'll be all set. (don't worry, I am working on that one myself)
- April
Yay. I gotz in the screenshot.
- zeroinfluencer
Added it to http://friendfeed.com/rooms.... Anymore out there?
- zeroinfluencer
chrisofspades is working on a new release with some code I contributed to get the icons insertion working in realtime. Stay tuned!
- Micah
Updated to include realtime support! many thanks to Micah. Note: There will be a popup if you install this version that says you don't have the current version. Just ignore that for now. This should be accurate for any future versions though.
- chrisofspades
Right on!
- Micah
Misconfigured scriptId value - please don't install until amended. A new comment will update the status of the fix. Thank you for your patience. UPDATE: FIXED!
- Micah
UPDATED again to fix error in Micah's comment above
- chrisofspades
UPDATED to work on new live site. no more beta!
- chrisofspades
<cry> I can no longer see them in the iPhone feed, but at least this script, updated to look at 'regular' url still gives the fix needed for full service use !
- David HC Soul
Works well with Cleaner FriendFeed :) Thanks!
- AJ Batac \(o_o)/
Weirdly for me it doesn't always include icons for twitter posts. For many it just has a lock icon on twitter posts.
- Quasar
Quasar, all twitter posts? it's possible some of them are coming from a private feed.
- chrisofspades
Can't believe it's come to this to get back an important visual clue when trying to process a real-time stream of updates. C'mon, Felicia Day says she wants the icons back. That's good enough for me! http://ff.im/2x34Z
- Ryan
Ahh. It's not all twitter posts where the icons don't appear, its just all posts made from imaginary friends (no matter what service it comes from). Can't remember if that was true pre the new FF.
- Quasar
UPDATED by Micah for greasekit compability and better performance.
- chrisofspades
This should be a standard option in FF (along with CleanerFF) - toggle on/off options??
- Allan Besselink
This has started becoming intermittent on FF :( :sad panda: is it the themes?
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
which theme are you using zu? and which version of the script?
- chrisofspades
I'm using the Flowers theme, along with AJ's "Cleaner FriendFeed w/themes support" but the "FFbeta Service Icons" script doesn't mention a version number
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Finally! Service icons even if its a script. One feature I sorely miss from the old FF. Why the reluctance to bring it back?
- The Fat Oracle
Zu, try uninstalling the one you have, and updating it with the one here http://userscripts.org/scripts..., or with Micah's latest version here http://ff.im/3ibSK
- chrisofspades
You can now disable comments on your FriendFeed entries using the "Edit" menu. When you disable comments, all existing comments will remain, but no new comments will be allowed.
Asphalt and Trouble, Vesna Gerintes, Thierry R. Andriamirado and 234 other people liked this
You can use the feature to stop conversations that are getting out of hand, or to post entries for which you don't want any discussion. Likes will continue to be allowed when comments are disabled.
- Bret Taylor
the FBI is here to arrest the MOB
- iTbay
You should call it Extended Twitter mode
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
END OF THREAD
- Josh Haley
friendfeed turns into a forum...
- Hüseyin Mert
Awesome. Thanks FriendFeed! Can you re-enable comments later? (Edit: yes, you can.)
- Mark Trapp
Don't make me use the B& Hammer!
- CannonGod
I certainly hope 'Breaking News' has a sense of humor.
- John Craft
@Mark: temporarily "suspend" comments?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I'm not sure how I feel about this one.
- Gunnybear ™
Chris: yeah, like when you're trying to use the first few comments for your own commentary. It looks like you can. Eeeeeeeeee!
- Mark Trapp
I think it helps those people who feel they are being made fun of in their posts.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Mark: yep, re-enabling involves just clicking a link
- Bret Taylor
+1 Gunny. It seems like an interesting and somewhat useful idea on it's own, but I can see many applications for it that aren't exactly in the interests of everyone, or even specific people, for what it's worth...
- Tyson Key
Sweet, thanks Bret. One bug I'm noticing is that if I disable comments on my own feed (that is, from http://friendfeed.com/itafroma), my picture shows up next to the entry and doesn't go away until I refresh.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: thanks for the bug report
- Bret Taylor
Bret, it looks like right now it doesn't show that comments are disabled until a user tries to comment, then it errors and says that comments are disabled. Not sure if that is widespread or if I just had a weird interaction.
- joey
Of course, the existing moderation options were already a double-edged sword. "Sticky" posts in rooms seems like a good extension to this, on the flip-side, though.
- Tyson Key
I can see the use for this, but that doesn't mean I like it.
- Shawn Kirsch
Actually, it may be displaying properly for me now. EDIT: I see, it just isn't updated in realtime ;)
- joey
While I welcome this addition to the many useful features on FF, I do feel that you should see all comments on a subject, as this enriches our experience.
- Kevin J Hatton
YAY!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Well done Bret, I will never use it though because I am a social creature
- Mark
so can we call this the 'arrington feature'?
- Chris Heath
Well arrington has yet to come back as promised
- Mark
is there any way to disable commenting from all posts in a specific group?
- Zee.
Zee: no, this feature is entry-by-entry
- Bret Taylor
Good to see you are still able to re-share the entries with disabled comments.
- Kol Tregaskes
@Bret dang...is that something you'll consider adding?
- Zee.
I actually want to turn this feature on automatically for any item older than 30 days as a defense against spam.
- Robert Scoble
can we get @scoble the moon on a stick too ;)
- Phill Price
Phill: hey, if Arrington can get a feature, we all should be able to get features! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert++
- Rahsheen the Dream
Scoble got thousands of people to join Friendfeed! How about a little love for the big guy!
- Mark
I see the main use for such a feature as being a way to post 'announcement' or 'stick post' entries but we'd really need the comment box back with the share box and the option to disable comments from there, i.e. before it's posted.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
You know you have influence when a company will modify their product to get you to use it again ;)
- Mark
Bret: the error message you get if you try to comment on a comment blocked post takes you to the generic FAQ page - perhaps it should go to something specific explaining the blocked comments feature.
- Mike Bracco
feature request: i want FF to flow in a <marquee> format instead of a stream! (kidding)
- sean percival
Is this an attempt to make FriendFeed more like a blogging platform? It sort of feels that way to me.
- Mitch
@scoble I'm trying to think of a feature from me- but I can't!
- Phill Price
Agree with Mike, that could do with fixing, Bret. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bret or anyone: Where can you find a list of people you've blocked?
- Myrna
Myrna - Ssshhh - don't speak of such a thing... blocking is an unforgivable sin here!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
But you know on twitter or fb you can unblock. Someone that I didn't know came on a great discussion about kabbalah and said F**k kabbalah so I blocked him.
- Myrna
Myrna, a sin maybe but you can find out here: http://ffblockr.com/ :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
myrna, http://friendfeed.com/setting... is what you're looking for... goes back all the way
- Chris Heath
I think the addition of this feature may warrant the need to add a dislike button.
- Mark Krynsky
Thanks Kol!
- Myrna
Jannnifer: I TOTALLY disagree with you. Blocking on FriendFeed is a very important thing to do to keep your view clear of jerks, spammers, and other people you just don't want interacting with your content. I don't let jerks into my living room and the block feature is how I keep my online living room clean, too.
- Robert Scoble
LOOOOL you better watch out if FF grows too fast, we're gonna be using the block button a LOT
- Myrna
Robert, did you see why I blocked this character. Jerimiah probably would have blocked him from using FF.
- Myrna
@Kol - Looks like FFBlockr is broken/down at the moment...
- Tyson Key
@Tyson It seems so
- Roberto
I guess I can see the need for this in some respects, but doubt I'd ever use it. The same way I feel about Blocking......someone would have to be really destructive to get me to do that. I just hope we don't end up with more and more "tools" that stop the natural flow and interaction on FF.
- Bonnie Foster
Chris, Thx it worked!
- Myrna
So Bonnie, would you block a FF stranger who came onto a discussion and said F**k the subject or your discussion?
- Myrna
Bret: I think this feature should let the entry owner to be able to comment without having to re-enable comments (and shutting them down again after that)
- alieb
Myrna....not unless he/she was such a pest that they did this kind of thing all the time.....kept making negative comments, or tried to continually start something. If it was someone who just happened to pop in and make their comment I would chalk it up to them being a jerk, having a bad day, I don't know, maybe just hating that subject. People just aren't going to always agree with everything you say. :)
- Bonnie Foster
Scoble and Krynsky are right, options to turn off comments after 30 days, and a dislike option are needed. Dislikes should be capped at 5 a day though.
- Shawn Kirsch
from BuddyFeed
Bonnie, you mean if I came on one of your threads and just dumped a FU, you would just brush it off? It's negative energy. I don't know about you but I try to keep things positive. Btw, you can disagree and stay positive.
- Myrna
Myrna..not disagreeing that it isn't negative energy, and yes, you can disagree with someone and stay positive. Would I do it, of course not....but everyone is different, and some people are jerks. One FU however, would not crush me, or for that matter, destroy my thread if everyone else was commenting with a positive attitude.
- Bonnie Foster
Too cool. Thank you. :)
- Meryn Stol
Just been reading about this over on Techcrunch. Sounds a reasonable idea, although it will be interesting to see how it works out in practice
- George Hall (Australia)
Ok I understand the need to stopping comment when the Mob starts forming, you know the tar and feather, pitchfork and everything, that makes some sense. What I don't understand is why you would post an entry if you didn't want any discussion. If you don't want it discussed then don't post it.
- Kim Landwehr
I am a group admin, I post the room guidelines in a thread and close the comments so that I can stick the thread url in the group description and new users will be able to read a short and to the point list instead of a 150+ comments thread. Sounds good, Kim?
- alieb
Ok, alieb that makes sense I was thinking more of a regular post, wasn't thinking of a room guideline situation.
- Kim Landwehr
You're welcom Myrna, i remembered a thread from a while ago with that link in it and just did a few searches until i found it - i can't find anywhere on the help/faq the friendfeed.com/settings/modifications (for your history of subscriptions and blocks as well) also i can't find the imaginary friends feature linked anywhere in the help/faq either (/settings/imaginary) -- private groups...
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- Chris Heath
Kim, also - if we had this feature back in march scoble wouldn't have had to butcher his post to stop people from trying to enter a contest that was long over http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - also this helps with spam as a popular post can be preserved without having to be attended to to fight of spammers who would try to latch to a popular search result
- Chris Heath
Bret, I like the timed idea some, but having the owner always able to comment seems right.
- Chris Heath
Robert, I don't see 'blocking' to be important but then I don't have jerks even trying to get into my living room so have no need. ;-) Been here well over a year and yet to block anyone. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Tyson, darn. Sorry I didn't check it before posting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep it comin' Bret. Someone ... PLEASE write a Friendfeed guide before I have to ?! (Although ... I'm still lost in the halls looking for what used to be rooms ?! :)
- Charlie Anzman
I believe they call those Groups now, unless they're renamed in a future iteration.
- Tyson Key
Thank you Tyson .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
This is a great idea Johnny and it adds a balance to the whole situation. People who just want to use FF to promote themselves with no discussion could be easily hidden from view this way.
- Gunnybear ™
well then you might as well block them, right?
- Chris Heath
@Johnny Worthington, I am totally right there with ya on that one. Why bother reading something on FF that I can't respond to? Isn't FF for conversation?
- (dot)lizard kelly
me no likey
- BEX
Arrington won't have to see it on his account everytime he logs in now
- Mark
Because he secretly loves getting attention. Not many people know this about him.
- Mitch
I like this ability, but agree with Johnny W on what he says on not wanting to read what he cannot respond to.
- Rick Cogley
I get your point Johnny, i was kind of joking, but also kinda serious.
- Chris Heath
Robert Scoble: Oh No! I was was being sarcastic and kidding with Myrna about blocking being an unforgivable sin!! I agree 100% with what you said above -----> "Blocking on FriendFeed is a very important thing to do to keep your view clear of jerks, spammers, and other people you just don't want interacting with your content. I don't let jerks into my living room and the block feature is...
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- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Thanks. I can't imagine ever using it, but thanks all the same.
- Steven Perez
Gosh, I hope Robert Scoble will be able to see my last comment since this thread is so long!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Interesting, but what about a 'Generate Comments' option for those us that are, shall we say, boring and get little to no activity and want to seem like they are interesting people too. ;->
- Grant Bierman
I fear that this addition will pave the way for more one way transmission. Friendfeed is about sharing and interaction. I might actually have to start using the block funtionality if I start seeing rant or mlm posts.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Excellent change.
- Son of Groucho
If you want to hide comment disabled posts preemptively and user scripts are an option for you, take a look at this script update I released tonight: (only affects you, and only in effect while running the script) http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
TechCrunchで報じられていた「梅毒問題」への対策の一つ、荒れ始めたスレッドをコメント不可にする機能が実装されたわけね。仕事が早いなぁ。 #friendfeed
- Sakurai.Catshop
from iPhone
Le Speaky Le English
- Mark
oo yeni özellik gelmiş.. süper..
- Profesyonel Öğrenci
Yorumları kapatma özelliği.
- Can Turanlı
thanks - to "enable" comments, there is a direct link - to disable... it is necessary to click Edit and select the option... Why? a different design?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Kishore, having 'enable' as a direct link serves as a visual reminder that you've disabled comments on that item. Plus you wouldn't want 'disable' to be a direct link, as you might click it by accident.
- FFing Enigma
@Matthew - You can disable it, if you're the owner of the post, and at present, it's possible for users to edit their comments after comment freezing, as it's implemented now.
- Tyson Key
this feature seems in accordance with existing moderation options available to post owners
- Mike Chelen
Noticed this one. Good!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Rumor: Amazon Wants To Rent Netflix And Never Return It - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Web Worker Daily: FriendFeed Search: Filtering for Popularity and Relevance - http://webworkerdaily.com/2009...
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That's right. I just shared an article about FriendFeed search that highlighted a post of mine about FriendFeed search. :) Meta meta meta.
- Louis Gray
Why did Google announce Chrome OS this week? Well, of course, Microsoft has a big announcement coming on Monday (I'm embargoed).
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It'll be interesting to discuss both announcements too, and what they mean for each other.
- Robert Scoble
I hope to see something good come out of this. Are they saying free or paid for the Chrome OS?
- Anthony Timberlake
*raises eyebrow* Interesting. I applaud more competition
- Mo Kargas
I'm intrigued!
- Daynah
Diego, no, it's one of Microsoft's primary businesses. Did you know Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses?
- Robert Scoble
Related to Microsoft's Gazelle browser? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Kiran Patchigolla
Microsoft isn't doing too bad lately.
- Eric Florenzano
cool, im thinking its a special version of windows 7 for netbooks?
- sean percival
Anthony: I'm sure it will be free.
- Robert Scoble
BingOS?
- imabonehead
imabonehead: no. :-) Microsoft isn't that disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
And that means Google Is doing well once again, doesn't it?
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
The Chrome OS will be for netbooks and such for now. And is Microsoft announcing the Free One Care?
- Dylan Richardson
Bingo yes :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
*chuckles at imabonehead*
- Daynah
LOL BingOS! The startup sound will be Ballmer saying "BING!" like he did at AllThingsD conference.
- Paul Salzman
Bing-OS was his name-o!
- Daynah
Bingos <--- that was his name-o
- Micah
*high fives Daynah*
- Micah
An open source OS - how much stable will it be??
- Palak Mathur
Question is Robert, if you are not allowed to say, how on earth did Google find out?
- Technogran
Micah, we're on the same google brain wave tonight. :)
- Daynah
Ride the wave :D
- Micah
Sandra: it might just be coincidence. Or maybe they have great spies. Depends on your view of the world, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is open-sourcing their code too??? Yeah, didn't think so. :)
- Josh Fraser
Josh: part of the Microsoft announcement on Monday runs on Google Chrome (and Firefox for that matter).
- Robert Scoble
Not all "open-sourcing" is created equal.
- Micah
Maybe Microsoft is making it's secret announcement this week cause they knew Google was about to announce?
- Alan W Silberberg
Thats real funny Josh .. Its like pulling teeth to get them to give a discount on anything.
- Dylan Richardson
Alan: maybe! It all depends on how you look at the world, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Nice Cant Wait!
- James Hunter
It just seems to coincidental. Like President of Iran making big speech during MJ's funeral!
- Alan W Silberberg
Scoble the only MS announcement they could make that would blow me away is Windows 7 Early release.
- Dylan Richardson
Dylan: Microsoft has a few other impressive things up its sleeve.
- Robert Scoble
So the question is now that Google's making an OS, will Eric Schmidt resign from Apple's Board?
- Paul Salzman
It's all just ones and zeros. ;)
- Victor Panlilio
So, do we give Calacanis credit for calling a Google OS back in 2006? http://calacanis.com/2006...
- Mike Doeff
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Gazelle?
- carrotmadman6
MS does not have the Balls to take on the iPhone.
- Dylan Richardson
Wait for Monday. Nothing else to say.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
James: Xbox? Dynamics? Bing?
- Robert Scoble
Apple is not really what I will be looking at Android is the big boy here
- polou/indigo_bow
MS Office on the browser would also explain why GMail and Google Apps are finally out of Beta today too.
- Ron Schott
Xbox
- polou/indigo_bow
OH OH Project Natal is coming out!! lol j/k
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS better fix the %$^#%@^ Gumblar hole first, it's apparently worse than Conficker -- http://rixstep.com/2...
- Victor Panlilio
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Paul: no highly unlikely.
- James Watters
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
Sameer - I agree. Explains cross-browser compatability
- Daniel Lazarides
from iPhone
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
I think Wave might be integrated into the OS.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- Kirill Petrovsky
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Midori perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jamie
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- челн правления
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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- Avatar X
from FriendFoo
i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Anything related to Midori ? http://technologizer.com/2008...
- Krishnamoorthy
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- челн правления
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Tease. Tease. :)
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, they'd better have more than a few "14 billion dollar" businesses. Their market cap is 200 billion for heaven's sake.
- Stephen Pickering
sorry, have to ask. did it make you cry? :)
- dannysullivan
does this mean google=novell?
- Eran Even-Kesef
Made the news onto electricpig your announcement!
- Alan (Giraffes)
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
What do you think? How long will the Apple-Google Friendship last? http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Hans Kainz
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
what announcement?
- kang
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith James Designs
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
Not sure to be honest
- Mark
Mark: that's hard to judge. I'd say 6.9 based on how you framed it.
- Robert Scoble
Is this something that will go over well on Wall Street?
- Michael Fidler
Well, today Microsoft announced the promotion of Steven Sinofsky to president of the Windows Division.
- imabonehead
Robert ur (face) a hit today in the news outlets: http://lifehacker.com/5310444...
- polou/indigo_bow
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
TechCrunch on Scoblelizer's drumroll: "Office In Cloud Comes Monday" http://bit.ly/18sKUe
- JimmyJet
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Windows ME Ultimate?
- Michael Funk
Well, it's Monday, what is the announcement about?
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
MS is making Office apps online. Ala google apps. Boring.
- Rudy Amid
The bottom of FriendFeed's page should have a "Best of day" link. That way people who scroll to the bottom of the page would be offered something new to do to stay on FriendFeed instead of leaving.
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When I'm at the bottom of the page, I go back to top... by then something different has usually come up.
- Paola Bonomo
I don't want the bottom to be more interesting, that way I can get back to work when I get there. ;-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
scrolling back to the top works well...
- Geer
Why not just click on Older Items, and then you can see he same items you just saw (i.e. whatever items now have numbers 31-60) in a different order?
- j1m
j1m, at least the way I do FF is scan the page to see what's going on now, then scan the best of day if I want to read more. I had never clicked on Older Items until you mentioned it, and have to say I probably won't again. But if you had a "best of day" link at the bottom of the page, I would stay on FF longer.
- Matt Cutts
high engagement, poor recirculation. i imagine (hope) this will change in the future.
- sean percival
how about a shortcut key that automatically brought you to the top of the page... thats where the freshest content would be plus scrolling can be terrible if youve opened a thread with lots of comments
- Frankie Warren
pageless scrolling is nice too :) let them go all the way down this river.
- sean percival
they should at least integrate a button to jump to the top of the page?
- Hans Kainz
I think that is a good tip
- alfred westerveld
And... it's live: http://friendfeed.com/paul...
- no name
More awesomeness! Great suggestion Matt. Like the way it changes with Favorites, Groups, etc. Cool day for FF
- Charlie Anzman
Wish granted!
- Jérôme
Yes and Matt you've been acknowledged here: http://ff.im/4JC5b :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice. Love a company that listens and immediately implements the good ideas. :) Thanks FF guys.
- travispuk
降低跳出率的一个好方法，赞~
- 阿石
This feature was on the previous version of FF..... there was also best of week / month...
- David Berrebi
Wonder which will come first, a netbook with Google Chrome OS or the Apple tablet?
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Google Chrome OS on a netbook. I think Apple is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the tablet market. Crunchpad, Android, netbooks and Google Chrome OS will force their hand. And Jobs will present it like it was their idea all along.
- Andy Bakun
It will engineered in such a superior manner that it will seem that Apple invented it.
- Art Witczak
from iPhone
An Apple salesman told me the Apple tablet already existed and mentioned the iPhone. I hope he was kidding. The iPhone is nice, but it's no Fujitsu LifeBook T or P...or even a Fujitsu Stylistic...or Motion LE, or ...
- a runcible MiniMage
Having fun watching posts stream in about Chrome OS: http://friendfeed.com/search...
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I like that the story broke late at night Pacific time, and I am very eager to see this unfold.
- Louis Gray
@Johnny http://bit.ly/N1rNZ
- mjc
That is fun!
- Brian Ahier
Wow, they are pouring in fast!
- Laura Norvig
Susan Beebe to Susan's feed, 3G iPhone, All Things Google, All Things Mobile, All Things Apple, The Apple Room: TNW Apple
Total Cost of Ownership: iPhone 3G S versus Palm Pre versus Android G1 | Shrinkage Is Good - http://www.billshrink.com/blog... (via http://friendfeed.com/itblogg...)
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This is a really good, quick analysis of TCO on iPhone, Pre, Android. Really not liking expensive AT&T costs. Love my iPhone, but chapped about expense for bloated carrier costs; especially, since they are behind on technology.
- Susan Beebe
I've done roughly the same analysis when the original (even more pricy!) iPhone came out, comparing it against then known median costs for other smartphones/ carriers, and decided Apple must have had someone else in mind when they conceived it. No wonder they are keeping the iPod Touch two steps behind in iPhone-hardware terms (current Touch v2. = no GPS, no video capability, no mic,...
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- ianf ⌘
my Verizon BB curve was 70$ (due to a 70$ rebate), and costs 62$ a month voice and data (enterprise) thanks to a 22% corporate discount. (my wife and I share 700 minutes) I will wait for Apple to offer the Iphone on Verizon.....wonder how long.....maybe when my contract is up. Great article!
- Mike Nencetti
Does anyone know why the Android never really took off?
- rowlikeagirl
The iPhone's TCO is completely worth it, IMHO! @rowlikeagirl, Because there's a degree of benefit to uniform hardware and the ease of use of centralized application distribution. While i love the idea of an open, standardized mobile OS, no one really cares about that. When you have a phone, you want it to be useful in the ways you want to use it. The G1 just had too many little...
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- ianf ⌘
What was Apple's advantage in signig the exclusivity contract with AT&T? Seems to me iPhones would have 90 percent of the smartphone market if it weren't for that. I know that personally, I won't switch to AT&T just to have an iPhone, unless the cost were low enough to convince me to jump ship, which it isn't.
- rowlikeagirl
from iPhone
No advantage; a necessity and a premise. Apple needed a major US-carrier willing to implement their own then-killer-app visual voicemail, which required changes to cellnet infrastructure, and plenty of servers. That left, I believe, a choice between US-Verizon and AT&T (Sprint, the smallest of the major three, didn't have the necessary bandwidth technology or something). Hence AT&T was...
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- ianf ⌘
In response, and general consensus, to Kevin's post on not understanding Facebook. (via http://ff.im/4yPkr )
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Priceless
- Mitch
LMFAO!!!!!
- Rahsheen the Dream
I started getting like 5 emails a day from facebook saying that the same two "friends" of mine said I should get on facebook. I don't have a facebook account, but I could go and acknowledge my presence to facebook by attempting to unsubscribing from their mailings.
- Andy Bakun
Aww! You gotta love that George! :)
- Skye Miller
Too Anti-Social For Social Media - http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...
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So, I understand that some people don't get value/enjoyment out of friendfeed, on the other hand when they leave and write posts about it, their explanations of friendfeed seem to indicate that they've completely missed the point. "Facebook and twitter cover everything"? That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read. On top of that, I'm exactly like Jason as far as...
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- Jim the Blatant
oops... apparently i got two different articles mixed up in my head. strange... I have a bad headache and this has just made it worse. Anyway, the part about facebook and twitter comes from Jason's earlier post in which he explains his reasons for leaving friendfeed (http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...), which he links to in the article. Ugh.
- Jim the Blatant
Jim - I reate & I also fit the introvert description and in fact created a room here on friendfeed for us like-minded peeps - http://friendfeed.com/introve...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
That's the new hawtness!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
wow
- michael sean wright
whoa!
- vijay
SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA
- Josh Haley
Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the game just changed
- chrisofspades
Haha! Nice...
- WoH: Minding her Steves
nice
- endiaferon
This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list.
- Kol Tregaskes
Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint...
- sean andersen
Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again.
- Kol Tregaskes
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit?
- Frankie Warren
this has awesomesauce all over it
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
is video an option?
- Zee.
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
No video at the moment, Zee.
- Ross Miller
Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com?
- chrisofspades
So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox>
- nickrw
nice!
- Mike Bracco
So, no BluRay rips, then :p
- Josh Haley
Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable).
- Bret Taylor
Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect.
- Bret Taylor
Very Nice
- Brent - Yes I am
Bret - is music an option?
- Zee.
WIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
@Dan, thx
- imabonehead
Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported
- Dan Hsiao
Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above.
- Kol Tregaskes
MP3s?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day).
- Bret Taylor
OK, but any format?
- Kol Tregaskes
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma
LOL, Tina.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported?
- Kol Tregaskes
Tina++, Holy Crap! :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Bret: What about attachments to comments?
- sean andersen
Swwwweeeettttt!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma
Greatissimo :)
- stanjourdan
Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server?
- Frankie Warren
Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock.
- Mitch
Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images?
- Kol Tregaskes
Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating?
- Akiva
I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :)
- Carlos Ayala
I think you can support them by buying the FF swags.
- imabonehead
and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY
- chrisofspades
NIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Pedram
Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :)
- JA Castillo
JA, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thierry, yep MP3s are supported.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cool stuff
- Tyson Key
Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest?
- Tyson Key
Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition!
- Holger Eilhard
Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;)
- Tyson Key
this is GREAT!
- Cee Bee
Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1..
- Daniel Sims
Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :)
- Victor Ganata
Hey Bret, are these virus-checked?
- Jordan Hofker
@Jordan - good question
- andy brudtkuhl
Jordan, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jordan- yes, we virus scan them.
- Casey Muller
Cool, Casey. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, thanks Casey.
- Jordan Hofker
Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time.
- Casey Muller
Haha, Victor. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit?
- Jordan Hofker
search by file type?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jordan - what is **AA's ??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
\m/
- metalerik
abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love**
- Alp B.
This is nice! Very nice!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yippie-kai-yay :))))
- Отборнейший бред
NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team!
- AJ Batac \(o_o)/
Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :)
- Dilip Dand
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- travispuk
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
seriously useful.
- Calvin Ayre
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
that is AWESOME!
- Lindsay
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
Kudos on the added features!
- Eric - 100% Choice Cuts
可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。
- 老巫
哇塞，这个强的。 I like it.
- xia
Wow. Just wow. Thanks.
- Laura Norvig
Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, very awesome!
- Scott Magdalein
It's *machine code*.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
- Chris Charabaruk
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...)
- Özkan Altuner
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Özkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard Walker
Must you force downloads on HTML files?
- Vezquex
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
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I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
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:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net)
- Vezquex
Thx! FF continues to rock :)
- Krishnamoorthy
why the limit on audio files?
- Tyler Gillies
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
wow :)
- Mucio
I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more?
- Dnl
anyone know the file size limit?
- Julian Seery Gude
My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
- Micah
FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means...
- Mitch
*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
oh heck yes
- Shey
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April
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+1 Louis. My Netflix account is solely for watch instantly.
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