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My (at the time 14-year-old) son argued porn and censorship with a FCC Commissioner and people are up in arms that the President is talking with their kids? This country is just so idiotic sometimes. I guess they forgot what the last President was doing on 9/11. That is right, talking with school kids. Sigh.

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Amen, Mr. Scoble, Amen. - Michael

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It amazes at all of the lows people do to bring the President down. It's rather pathetic. - Minu Nianda

Heaven forbid anyone just step back and thinks people could be up to a couple good things, good grief. - Chris

Sadly, I think that (general) America has forgotten that every society before us has crumbled, be it from war, poverty, starvation, political dispute every society has fallen. It's just a ticker now as to when we follow suit. - Adam

Please. I have no problem with our President talking to our kids. As long as I'm in the room as well in order to call his BS. No matter who the President is at the time. - Chris Kalaboukis

completely different - bush was reading to students - not pitching his agenda. read the paper the dept of education sent to the schools. and you liberals forget the last time a president spoke to school kids was in 91 when Bush Sr talked about staying off of drugs - and you liberals screamed and yelled that it was inappropriate. now its ok. i love the liberal hypocrisy. - Tony Kanzia

Chris: you sir are an idiot. You can do that at home. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Typical liberal - if you don't agree with them, then you're an idiot. What a shocking response. - Tony Kanzia

I took my son to see a Whitehouse and President I despised. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Chris, you think teachers are any less fallible? Do you accompany your children to school and sit with them throughout the day to call BS on things a teacher might say as well? - Andru Edwards

This is all so ridiculous. If you don't agree with what he's saying, teach them to be proud of that opportunity, teach them to listen to their President, and then talk to them about the things you don't agree with when they get home. Don't conservatives believe in family values any more? - Jesse Stay

Tony: I live this stuff. Have you taken your son to see a President you didn't like? I have. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Chris & Tony, thanks for being on hand to demonstrate the exact kind of intolerance that Robert is talking about. - Jeff Harbert

what i think got everyone up in arms was the curriuculm that went along w/ the president's speech. while this has since been taken down, people feel they are being told from the government what to teach their kids - Jonathan Jesse

E Pluribus Unum - "Out of one, many". Once the President is chosen, we all have to unite. We don't have to agree, but he is still the representative of this nation and we should respect, and be proud of that. - Jesse Stay

Tony how is Obama pitching his agenda to kids when he's simply telling them to stay in school? Give me a break. - Minu Nianda

I find it even more fantastic that parents don't think their kids can think for themselves. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Teaching our kids not to respect the President takes away that unity. If we don't agree, we should instead be sharing what we don't agree with, not removing the opportunity altogether. This is ridiculous! (note that I was saying the same thing to things the liberals were doing to Bush as well) - Jesse Stay

Jesse Stay- You hit the "nail on the head" so beautifully! - earl wallace

Complete idiots are people who think that their kids hearing a few words from ANYBODY are going to hold sway over the impact of their parents, their environment and ability to think freely. - suecosby

@tony i agree with you on most of the comment. the problem with the speech i had was the accompaning lessons, since removed from the d ept of educations website - Jonathan Jesse

You know, I just read the speech, and I don't see ANY political agenda in it, much less a liberal one. "And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself." Sounds pretty conservative to me. Read it here: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009... - John Craft

Jesse Stay - Amen! - Minu Nianda

Jonathan: the "offending" lesson was what could you do to help the President. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

@jesse i don't think anyone has said anything about teaching their children to disrespect the president, just that they don't agree w/ what he says - Jonathan Jesse

Let's all join hands and recite the pledge of allegiance. Come on. I know you want to. - Sean Montgomery from iPhone

Jonathan: I disagreed greatly with what Bush did but I still took my son to see him and meet with his Deputy Press Secretary. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Jonathan I see people flat out telling their kids they can't listen to the President. That sounds like disrespect to me. - Jesse Stay

Maybe school SHOULD be about learning where other people are coming from. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

It is up to parents after school to teach them their own values. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

In Arizona, kids have to get permission slips to listen to the President. That's disrespectful to me. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: it is worse than disrespectful. Where were theywhen Bush spoke to kids? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Jesse: yeah. Gotta have a permission slip to learn. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Let's see, how does it go? I pledge allegience to Robert Scoble...wait that's not it. - Sean Montgomery

Robert, you're absolutely right... but I can't help but wonder where the promises were from this administration on working across the aisle and having full transparency. I think this administration has provided the fanatical opposition with all the ammunition it needed to take situations like this and blow them up. Once again, I agree that all children should be able to hear the President speak without opposition. I just think this administration is blowing the PR front. - Douglas Karr

@robert i think the heart of the problem is what you stated "Parents should teach values" and i don't think that is happening whether political, religious or moral and too many people are relying on the school system to do so. - Jonathan Jesse

Helen Sventitsky- I just read Obama's speech and I don't think I could have put it any better' I do not detect any undercurrents or subliminal manipulation. I heard the same advice when I graduated from high school. - earl wallace

Robert - I'm a conservative but agree with your original point. POTUS should be able to speak to students. You have to acknowledge that if W. had tried to do the same thing (national satellite address) to students, liberals would've been just as outraged as many conservatives are now. - Paul Goldsmith

Paul: You're flat wrong. - Jeff Harbert

I think @Paul is correct, FWIW. - Kurt Starnes

Let's face it - there's a significant portion of this country's population that, if Obama gave a speech about puppies being cute, would launch into an apoplectic rage randomly spewing the words 'liberal' and 'socialist. - John Craft

Paul: you are wrong. Bush spoke to students and I don't remember anyone so angry. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Yeah...who is he to define cute. - Sean Montgomery

John Craft: lol - Minu Nianda

Really? Bush gave a national address to school kids? I honestly did not know that. - Paul Goldsmith

@robert, Bush 41 spoke to students in '91 and there was opposition from the Dems. - Kurt Starnes

Kurt: I will take your word on that. That is stupid too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

This is an amazing opportunity. Until now it simply wasn't possible for a single President to speak to an *entire* nation of school kids. Until now it was only possible to do it in person on a school-by-school basis. When I was growing up it was an extreme privilege to have the President visit your school. We should be embracing that! I don't care if you agree with Politics or not. - Jesse Stay

Kurt: so, where will we be in eight years? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Kurt: will we have a better country where kids are encouraged to learn and think critically or are they going to learn that politics is like sports? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

There was opposition from Dems in '91, but there was no ranting and raving that Bush Sr was going to indoctrinate school kids. - Rene, Pro Button Pusher

@Robert Watched a great documentary on text books and our kids are NOT encouraged to learn and think critically. They are misguided. That's one of the key downfalls with our education system... which is controlled by people trying to indoctrinate their own beliefs and avoid criticism from any extremes. - Douglas Karr

It's funny I've been so inured by the idiocy, venom & deception coming from the White House for the past 8 years I have a hard time even grokking there are people who don't view the new guy as a massive breath of transparent, humanistic fresh air. And also that a US president talking to our kids could be a bad thing. Altho the guys in this thread who disagree may not be idiots, generously I would at least characterize them as "Fox-addled". - Thom Kennon

@Robert - I'm with you on those thoughts re kids learning to think critically. I may not agree with Obama on many things, but I would encourage my Daughter (almost 11 y.o.) to listen to any of his speeches. I do think there is some hypocrisy on this school speech issue, though. FWIW. - Kurt Starnes

Just for the record, I think it's awesome that the President has the opportunity for a national address to students. Great opportunity for the President and children alike. - Douglas Karr

1991: "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," the New York Times quoted House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" Decent article on the history of these school speeches here: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs... - Kurt Starnes

@Thom transparent? Like the close-door, one-sided bills that have been rammed through? Stop watching Fox OR MSNBC. Start reading http://factcheck.org/ - Douglas Karr

BTW, I wasn't following the Bush 41 school speech in '91, but would think the opposition to Obama is very likely much more heated than it was for Bush 41. - Kurt Starnes

Kurt: OK. So where will we be in eight years? Will your guy speak to school kids? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

@Robert - I don't have a guy or a party that represents me (See Jesse's sentiments). :-\ In an ideal world, Presidents would speak to kids apolitically and all parents would support such speeches. And I would ride off into the rainbow on my white unicorn. - Kurt Starnes

@Kurt @Robert Everyone should have the right to speak and be heard... what are we teaching our children through censorship of our very own President? Regardless of whether or not his speech is political, it should not be fought. He is OUR President and OUR childrens' President. PS: Robert... don't you mean in 3 1/2 years? ;) - Douglas Karr

I just had to laugh at the person who said Obama was transparent. Wow. Don't read much do you? Obama just made sure 8 months of Presidential White House visits will remain secret. How about those meetings with drug companies, huh? - Spencer

@Douglas - I generally agree with you. But, just as Obama has the right to give the speech, folks have the right not to listen, even though I think all should listen. Some conservatives seem to have missed the point that neither schools nor the WH require *mandatory* viewing! Folks still have a choice and this, to me, makes all of the protestations seem so silly. - Kurt Starnes

Scoble++ I wish I could fave this post. - Tanath

@Kurt we agree... and I also don't fall for the rainbows and unicorns. - Douglas Karr

In fairness, I think the ONLY real objections were over the slip that the president wanted children to tell him how they were going to help him. Most people don't like the idea of indoctrinating children. They didn't want their child coming home to harass them about why healthcare reform wouldn't pass, etc. This might be a paranoid nutter fear, but for all the political manipulation many parents are used to via their children. My children are constantly bringing home political notes about taxes, funding. - Jason Nunnelley

This whole debate is sorta silly. If you don't want your children indoctrinated, then listen what the man has to say then give them your opinion -- teach them the value of free speech which is to let all ideas out into the world and let the good ones stand. Taking your kid to the White House to se a President you hate? Makes perfect sense to me. - Dean Rodgers

Wait a second don't we spend years indoctrinating our kids on everything from how to eat properly to what sports team to follow? I guess it's just other people's indoctrination we don't want them exposed to? ;) - Eoghann Irving

Eoghann Irving, duh. :) - Jason Nunnelley

Eoghann, // I AM NOT COMPARING THE PRESIDENT TO THE KKK // But, how would you feel about your child attending a meeting where they taught that certain races were immoral, corrupt or otherwise less worthy. Sure, you could just explain that the bigot they listened to was wrong. But, children are impressionable. That's exactly why we work to brainwash... ahem, excuse me, train them young about things like pollution, recycling, civic responsibilities, etc. It's why schools have them to recite the pledge. - Jason Nunnelley

For the record, I'm looking forward to my children listening to the president. It will make for good dinner conversation. - Jason Nunnelley

My point is that sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be "indoctrinated" is a ludicrous position. Of course they will be indoctrinated. That's why we're sending them there! The objections to Obama's speech that I have seen are entirely party political and not motivated by any real concern for social or moral damage. - Eoghann Irving

Jason, FWIW I did attend a meeting that told me exactly that when I was about 11 at a local baptist church. There was a book and tape burning afterward. My mother was mortified when she came to pick me and my sister (9) up. Neither my sister nor I was 'impressionable' enough to take what we were told at face value, and we had a very lengthy conversation with my mom about what we thought... more... - FFing Enigma

@Jason: you hit on something crucial. There's a lot of white folk (especially here in the South) that do not want the president to talk to school kids, because it may just empower black kids. - Rene, Pro Button Pusher

Eoghann Irving, well sorry. I reserve the right to choose what indoctrination I subject my children to and I don't much care whether others think I'm backward or ignorant for reserving that right as a parent. I consider one's refusal to exercise that right cowardly. Even allowing my child to attend public school, and attend the Obama presentation is a decision that is mine to make. I won't whine or complain. I'll take physical action to stop people from doing anything to my child I don't like. - Jason Nunnelley

Tina, I can't defend the position taken by a minority of paranoid parents that their children shouldn't be exposed to the president's presentation. But, I do defend their right to be notified and that decision belongs to the parent. I think withholding your child's attendance is a poor decision. But, I think the suggestion that parents don't have the right to direct their children's education and experiences in childhood is unacceptable in a "free" society. I determine who trains my child, nobody else. - Jason Nunnelley

Jason Nunelley, I'm curious where you think I said that you didn't have the right to raise your children any way you see fit. Or that it was ignorant or backward to reserve that right. I don't think I made either statement. My point remains that this isn't about any real concern for the welfare of the children. It's a politically motivated stunt. - Eoghann Irving

Eoghann Irving, you said "sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be 'indoctrinated' is a ludicrous position." That statement indicated to me that you think taking action to limit said indoctrination is likewise ludicrous. The rest of my statement wasn't aimed at you personally or your comments but more the generic conversation. There are lots of people openly calling concerned parents racist and stupid for even suggesting that the curriculum shouldn't be political. - Jason Nunnelley

What I'm trying (and perhaps failing) to argue is for people to give the real reason they are pulling their children from school. It's not because they're "being indoctrinated" which is a vague phrase that has negative connotations which makes it hard to argue against. It's because of something specific. And the reason they're not giving a clear reason is that it isn't really about the... more... - Eoghann Irving

Rene Wirtz, this is a major disconnect between reality and perception. People who don't like Obama's tactics aren't all racists. They're not fearful that black children will see his example and obtain an education, get a better job, etc. They're fearful that Obama's policies will usher in big Orwellian government. I'm hopeful that Obama will inspire black students. But, I don't want his legislation to pass. I'm also southern, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot. - Jason Nunnelley

jason totally onboard with your statement, though i know it will get me some less than lovely responses. i definitely do not want Obama's policies to to become embedded because I think they are the wrong ones, not because I want to see him personally fail. I think the best chance for the country to succeed is if his policies sputter - Zachary Adam Cohen

Eoghann Irving, I agree with you. The Republican "protect the children" spin is disgusting. But, I disagree with you on this idea that none of the parents are sincere. A significant number of parents don't like having their children used as pawns. I tire of it in my redneck, backwoods southern town (so you can all assume it's because I'm a racist :). My local school pulls this crap... more... - Jason Nunnelley

Though I consider the reaction these parents have to be bad. I respect a parent's right to opt out of a political stunt. Do I consider the firestorm the Republicans are fanning a political stunt? Of course. But, I don't automatically assume the parents are insincere, or racists. My kids are enjoying logical discussions on why some of the president's desires are noble and some are less so. - Jason Nunnelley

@Jason: I wasn't calling you a bigot, far from it. But I can see and hear from my relatives there is a deep seeded mistrust. And it is doubly so, because Obama is black and because he is a "socialist", two things that are not very popular amongst the mostly Republican voter base. I do want him to go a progressive course, but to call Obama's political course socialist is laughable at best. - Rene, Pro Button Pusher

Rene Wirtz, I knew you weren't calling me a bigot. It's the southern comment I'm chastising. Since we're both in the south, I think we should be careful not to further feed this idea that southern people are bigots. It's just not true, at least no more so that Californians or New Yorkers. If J.C. Watts had run and won the presidency, these same relatives would love him. It's not a fear... more... - Jason Nunnelley

I think we need a "back to school" czar. - Spencer

I straight up asked my daughter what she wanted to do and her response was "I'd rather do something else". But how about this - I respect the president's right as president to address children in the public school system, why can't MY right to not have my 7 year old daughter listen to it regardless of message be respected? - Michael Koby

@Michael - Good point. - Kurt Starnes

@Scott - You think they're nutty, they think you're nutty. Ain't America grand? :-) - Kurt Starnes

Isn't it interesting how the "left-leaning" commenters cometely ignore the fact that it's the Dept. of Education lesson plan that people were upset about. - Robert Hafer from iPhone

Robert: I didn't ignore that and I'm left-leaning. - Robert Scoble

Scott, in fairness I think you know they changed it due to public feedback. - Jason Nunnelley

It might be more worthwhile to have Al Franken teach them how to draw a map of the United States. - Sue - Friendfeed is best

does anybody think that, independent of what obama is going to talk about, it's not the president's job to address the nation's kids and this is not appropriate for thim to do in a free country? http://masstrovato.tumblr.com/post... - Il fu mass

How do you get from people being upset with a lesson that insructs children to write an essay on how they can help spread the President's message to them being racist? - Robert Hafer from iPhone

Scott, (answering q1) Bill Ayers, though people may argue Obama didn't actually associate with him. Jeremiah Wright, though people will argue Obama attended church for twenty years and didn't fully understand the lessons Mr. Wright preached. Obama's nominee for Green Czar, Van Jones, though I realize people will claim that nominating someone to a cabinet position doesn't mean they agree politically. - Jason Nunnelley

Scott, I sincerely appreciated Mr. Wright's willingness to be honest about his message. While Obama tried to pretend he didn't understand that message, or that the preacher didn't mean what he said, Mr. Wright had the courage to say that Obama had no choice but to disassociate himself from that message but that he stood by his statements. I don't like Mr. Wright's message, but respect that he has the guts to say it and stand by it. - Jason Nunnelley

Scott (answering Q2) Originally, the president intended to ask students to participate in an exercise to describe how they would help the president. I view this as relatively innocent, but some do not. That has been changed in reaction to public response. Now, though I find it innocent, I don't like it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news... - Jason Nunnelley

Scott, I don't have a problem with his present version. But, pretending people are reacting to the version out now and ignoring the history that brought this controversy to most people's attention ignores the true motivations. I'm just suggesting you should consider the reality that your link isn't the source of the controversy. - Jason Nunnelley

I think kids in all 57 states should have the opportunity to hear him speak if their parents don't object. - motownmutt

I had forgotten what Bush was doing that day. That is a great point. If I remember correctly, wasn't the book he was reading to the kids upside down? Or is that an urban myth? - Mike Kirkeberg

Agreed. Robert. Kids today are more evironmentally concious, know whats right and wrong and better perspectives of life, bring on anypne who wants to talk to them, there is no guarantee that they will listen as they are independent :) - Shashi Bellamkonda

The reaction to Obama's original plan is not in a vacuum. The movement to recruit children and young adults into new nationalist organizations concerns some people. It's not so much right-ring Republican types, but more the anti-government types. Pretending this is a flame alone in a desert isn't intellectually honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... << The rhetoric that spikes the concern. - Jason Nunnelley

Your son sounds like a genius. You sound like a liberal elitist. Sometimes liberals are so annoying. Sigh. - practicehacker

Thanks for the links, Jason. I knew some Norwegians who I believe served one year mandatory military service. I thought it served them well. - motownmutt

This administration is serious about engaging young people in quasi-military service. Its cabinet members talked about it openly during the campaign. You can pretend that didn't have an emotional impact, but that's just hiding your eyes to reality. That rhetoric set the stage for the sensitivity you see today over something as innocent as the president encouraging students, even to... more... - Jason Nunnelley

hi Robert, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com - kang

the President is not just talking 2 kids, he wanna the kids to be tech wizards I hear? I wouldn't mind Prez chatting with kids but talk 2 what they wanna @ least - polou/indigo_bow

polou/indigo_bow, you might want to actually read the speech before assuming anything. - Jeff P. Henderson

my thoughts exactly - Wardell Latham

sometimes? I do believe 95 percent of the time - Braden Douglass

Interesting in consideration (if it's not already been linked here) http://friendfeed.com/kregger... - Jason Nunnelley

We should print up threads like this and share them with our kids. Let em see how people with opinions and passions discuss stuff. Good practice for filtering out Presidents --- and teachers, and parents, and professors and cops and newscasters and Jon Stewart and Rush and the deli guy and ... - Thom Kennon

Jason Nunnelley, Seems that just further backs up my argument that this is a politically motivated and cultivated hysteria. Doesn't surprise me that it's been tried before. - Eoghann Irving

Eoghann Irving, I live in a bedroom community in rural Alabama. We're a 70% Republican community. I've not heard a single parent complain about the presentation - not one. The only thing I've heard is reports that the original message contained a curious question from the president to the students, and the president (being much better a man than his political activist supporters) removed it to avoid the conflict. There is no [widespread] fear about Obama's presentation to students. - Jason Nunnelley

Eoghann Irving, this idea that there's widespread panic over the president addressing students is akin to Sarah Palin claiming David Letterman joked about someone raping her daughter. It's a stunt. But, that's different from the hand full of people that have legitimate concerns about this administration's "statist" tendencies. And, I continue to encourage people to avoid dismissing... more... - Jason Nunnelley

citing Bush talking to school kids on 9/11 is not the best evidence that it's a good idea. Sigh - Michael Markman

Wow, @scobleizer fail on this one! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion... Democrats wigged out so bad, they even had an investigation of Bush's speech to a single classroom! I still think you're right - it's idiotic to get all up in arms. But looks like (as usual) both sides are just as guilty. - Douglas Karr

It's Pathetic* The Repubes + Brainwashed Flock have shown Time + Time again that it's Their Way or the Highway - they don't even want People to THINK!! Scary + Frightening Poop* - Billy Warhol

My childrens' school didn't run the speech today. I am so embarrassed. I completely missed this one. Since I don't listen to hate radio or watch the news, I thought I was up to speed based on the more cerebral conversations on this topic. I thought the whole controversy was already squashed when the president dropped the assignment "what can you do to help me," which I thought was... more... - Jason Nunnelley

I'm back to my original reaction to the vitriol on both sides of this conversation. Politics is for suckers. - Jason Nunnelley

When I first heard that people were up in arms about the President speaking to school children... I thought maybe I had fallen into prolonged sleep and was not aware that Hitler was at the head of state again. Plz people. Can we get to what the REAL issue is at hand... and I don't like to play that card ... but sometime it's just too obvious when THE CARD is being played from the other side. - Jim Turner

What is at stake here is not the fact that the President wanted to speak to the kids--that is good. The issue was that it was framed as how we can help the President (hint, hint--his agenda)--and that my liberal friends is what the commotion is about. Obama is about the most disingenuous President I have seen in all my years of closely watching politics. He had the audacity to say that... more... - Sean O'Reilly

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irc.twit.tv - min

Hi from The Netherlands. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

http://friendfeed.com/twit-st... - Dakota O'Neill

nice breeze - Dakota O'Neill

wind rufflin - Denis Dervisevic

room #twitlive - Nolan Alston

@ericboehs I know right? I find if you're typing away in the comment box it will scroll for you. - Jonathan Day

J.F. Brissette - That's Ryan Block. Google him. - Robert

Molly is back! yeah! - Stephen Styffe

http://friendfeed.com/twit-st... - Dakota O'Neill

Boom and it's on. - Denis Dervisevic

Thanks Dakota - Ken O'Kelly

Innies vrs outties - John Brazel

ipone - min

Hello from Canberra, Australia 8.25am Monday morning! - denis evans

ipwn ftw - Dakota O'Neill

You guys are agreat! - Craig Meyer

Love AppSlappy - Ben

Weird little sister nobody ever had :) - Dakota O'Neill

Veronica looks extra pretty today. - Aaron Coe

Greetings - JT Ray

Yay Veronica! I want her to be my best friend - even though I'm alliance. Meh, we could be the odd couple! - Jonathan Day

do mirror downloads leo. - Dakota O'Neill

Watching with @ramdomthoughts from the UK :-) - Jacqueline from iPhone

can i expand the comment to see more? - HeavenLike

veronica drunk ahaha - Dakota O'Neill

how are you watching on the iPhone?? - Aaron Coe

the bullet bourbon was 2/3 full only last week - paulie 2.0

Its not as good as woodford reserve Leo.. - James Watt

licquored up, molly style - min

She rules them hills with an iron fist! - Jonathan Day

Take it easy Molly! - Joe Gilbert

Hello all! - Jo An

Georgia, Russia - Dakota O'Neill

twitter was down? thought thats normal - min

I'm looking forward to the "Molly's Giving up on iPhone" rant. I'm sure it'll be a good one. - Jonathan Day

Meanwhile.... in stately Wood Manor - ZillaFan

Molly ditched the iPhone. - T C Sandford

well look at the size comparison of twitter, to facebook, youtube, google, livejournal - Dakota O'Neill

Hi, from Rochester , NY - harry burgos

boxee here too on ATV - Danny Whitt

fb is bigger than fb, and they came back on sooner - min

sheesh, twitter - min

we want Veronica - Mark

hey Jacqueline, what are you using to watch TWiT on your iPhone? - Aaron Coe

Dont rely on Twitter for your main news source - Greg

Where can we found this Forecast thing? - Chris Gilmore

I don't think twitter is strong enough yet, it may be very popular like other websites but it is not as stable as the others. - Jonathan Day

is twitter so important? - EvilMonkey

Not to sound like a commercial for Windows 7, but watching Leo on full screen with IE 7, pretty nice. For those that are Windows Users, you have something to look forward too, and I m running intensive gaming apps at once! - RALPH

Federated twitter.... use laconi.ca - Ryan

In soviet Russia Google Searches you - Fee501st

We love Leo - Mark from iPhone

it's ok, it's russian govt support attack so it's legit - min

Think this was a wake up call for some people regarding Twitter and their dependence on it - Greg

Yea, Win 7 - T C Sandford

evilmonkey how many millions before it's considered "important"? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

I can finally update Twitter from Firefox 3.5.2 again - Gary Kostrivas

I was in mid-tweet when twitter went down - Kevin Ramcharan

"Federated twitter" e.g. laconica is great in theory, but in practice it won't work unless Twitter approves, supports it, and collaborates - Ken Sheppardson

Gary I had no problem with any of the FFox 3.5.x updating twitter - Greg

Well the downtime shows how important people think it is... - Jonathan Day

Given Twitter's role in the Iranian elections, stuff like this is bound to be big news. - Garance Alistair

Why? It's just not that important. Come on! - Allyn Edmonds

What's Twitter? - David Rysz

lol my local news (Toronto) had it as their first story, ahead of the Tragedy on the Hudson. - Dakota O'Neill

'Cause the news is relying on Twitter for their sources - Carey Lumeng

Yea, it is important, its a great source of spam. - James Watt

I was down in Oklahoma but when I proxied to my california box I could get on twitter just fine. - Eric Boehs

more time to enjoy the view Molly - min

i was at work when all this was going on, i didnt miss it - Fee501st

Sure it is, I get a lot of news from Twitter now, more so than just browsing the web. - Nick Young

yeah leo, all that media tlalking about it - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

millions of what? - EvilMonkey

Twitter isn't important. It's a drug and "shiny new thing", but nothing more. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Jon and Kate were also at the top of the news for a while. You can't infer importance from the fact that something's in the news. - Ken Sheppardson

I think that Molly is right on this - RALPH

Just like Charlton Heston in Omega Man - ZillaFan

How often does that happen...meaningful conversation? - Allyn Edmonds

I had a normal day .. twitter had no effect - Greg

Greg - for two days all I got was the spinning thing when I tried to update when using firefox - Gary Kostrivas

Friendfeed is better then twitter - Fee501st

Friendfeed is great! - RALPH

Last Twitterer on Earth - ZillaFan

Dvorak must be having a cow right now - Carey Lumeng

Friendfeed makes a good companion to twitter though, a good bridge I should think. - Jonathan Day

twitter, like a bad hollywood movie - decjr

Leo don't forget to mention Open Street Map - Jim Shaver

Teens don't use twitter ahaha, its funny because there are more grandparents on facebook! - Dakota O'Neill

Yeah. .we need Dvorak to comment on this... Probably why he didn't come on twit this week - Eric Boehs

people in irc are saying friendfeed is too complicated.. huh? - Greg

I think Twitter and Friendfeed have their own place - RALPH

Drovak, meh, move on - min

The media just like the sound of the word "Twitter". Twitter. - Ken Sheppardson

Twitter needs a dedicated fail whale server - Eric Boehs

Leo loves to hate and hates to love Twitter. - Aaron Coe

Father's who tweet to much and the daughters who block them. - Gary Kostrivas

Here we go!! - Jonathan Day

It may have something to do with the manner of comment and how to get it to work lol - RALPH

(repeatedly stunned) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

no audible yet,,,commonnnnn - harry burgos

I guess I should check out FriendFeed more often. - Garance Alistair

ATT is bad everywhere - Andrew Leahey

living in a tree house :) - Dakota O'Neill

ATT can be a bit tough - RALPH

but they have more bars in mo places! - min

Can you guyz discuss the G1 ? - TalkToMeGuy

I'm a teen and use Twitter, my friends (in the UK) are starting to use it - Chris Gilmore

AT&T works fine in Oklahoma area... Great 3G coverage for such a low pop state - Eric Boehs

That's why I have an Android Phone instead of a IPhone. I don't like AT&T. - John Lyons

Chris Gilmore - same with me! - Dakota O'Neill

too many of you tech heads with iphones - EvilMonkey

sounds like we need to have a Global Twitter Support Group, now lets organize and use twitter to get the word out, LOL - Dave T

T-Mobile has crap 3G coverage - Eric Boehs

AT&T dies has soon has you enter a building here - Fee501st

I'd switch to go to a Google Cell Network - Mike

Exactly the same conversation we used to have 10 years ago RE dial-up providers. - Ken Sheppardson

I have not thought about T Mobile of being an alternative, but my AT&T here in Florida runs pretty good - RALPH

the terrorists are coming! - Dakota O'Neill

I wouldn't go back to Verizon. Each carrier has their own problems. I don't have any AT&T problems with my iPhone. - David Rysz

I get 80 kbps on Rogers.... If it is a concentration problem, how do they do it in Japan and Singapore - Jim Shaver

T-Mobile has great customer service but poor coverage service. - Dale Feinstein

I use T-Mobile G1 for my phone and back it up with an iPod Touch. - Gary Kostrivas

I couldn't be happier with my Palm Pre and Sprint these days, btw. - Ken Sheppardson

thats a ridiculous line, if you jail break your iphone the terrorists win. - mikemcmullan

Dale where are you ..? part of the country? - TalkToMeGuy

its unlocking, not jailbreaking for T-Mob - cxx dxx

Nice straw leo :P - Eric Boehs

I'm looking at cell phones and going to be curious about how people feel about the MyTouch, since I refuse to go iPhone, though the Galaxy isn't far off... - Patrick Sullivan

Will there be a mass exodus from at&t when the iPhone ends up on Verizon? - Jim Bednarz

The Google/Apple FCC saga will end with the FCC stepping in saying allow the app. - Luis

Yep, until the day the Tablet is announced. Ohh, Ahh. - Mike

@TalktoMeGuy: I am in southern New Jersey (Ocean County). - Dale Feinstein

Yeah that tablet rumour is worrying me... - Jonathan Day

Apple is not consistent with approval process. - DesertWeather

Most of the people with iPhones I know have only a few apps and love it. GV isn't going to touch them - Carey Lumeng

Google Voice is Sweet ! I use it a Lot ! - TalkToMeGuy

The developer note published on Saturday says that “based on the current app submission, 96 percent of applications are being approved within 14 days.” - Eric Boehs

Google Voice is appealing to anybody who has more than one phone number of voicemail system, i.e. home and work. I think y'all are going just a *little* overboard with the "We only care because we're the tech elite" argument - Ken Sheppardson

virtual arm wrestle! - Dakota O'Neill

Beat her in wow - Fee501st

What is a Chumby?? - Julie Manweiler

Awh!! Chumby is so cute, yeah I want one too ladies, I want that very fancy alarm clock. - Jonathan Day

@aron Coe Watching TWIT on the Mac watching FriendFeed stream on iPhone - Jacqueline from iPhone

I like Apple, but I'm annoyed about Google-Voice getting blocked. I do know some people who really don't understand the point to Google Voice, and we can't explain it to them. - Garance Alistair

I use my N800 instead of the CHUMBY - RALPH

Rock paper scissors!! - Jonathan Day

Whats #1? - Fee501st

Bing! - Jim Bednarz

myspace had a moment? - Dakota O'Neill

Myspace peaked about 1988 - Jim Shaver

Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook is 6th in the US behind Google, yahoo, Microsoft, AOL, and the Fox Interactive properites - Ken Sheppardson

Alex - click on the time stamp and you get 1 webpage of just these comments! - Dakota O'Neill

Oh no Molly's gone!! - Jonathan Day

Long ago and far away - RALPH

Veronica won, molly is gone - Fee501st

I still greatly prefer MySpace over Facebook for tracking music. But I don't use MySpace for anything outside of music. - Garance Alistair

Stand-alone pop up for this thread - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Ken Sheppardson

once you get twitter you understand it! - Dakota O'Neill

thanks Ken Sheppardson - Jim Shaver

molly , get a better connection please - harry burgos

she's on wifi, she can't help it - Dakota O'Neill

I wonder what's average time spent on facebook - mikemcmullan

Molly makes me giggle like a little schoolgirl - like someone said titmouse up in here! - Jonathan Day

1 Billion googles - min

twitter is bigger then digg now, wow didn't know that - Dakota O'Neill

Google understands the nature of a distributed network infrastructure. My guess is Twitter... less. - Ken Sheppardson

bing will have them before the end ot the year, ha - EvilMonkey

Facebook is doing everything that Classmates.com wanted to do, except Classmates.com turned into a total ad agency. - Garance Alistair

Yeah, if you write a page about a topic, guess what... it pops up pretty high in the list of relevant articles for that topic. (i.e. wikipedia) - Ken Sheppardson

Plus Wikipedia often holds the answers to whatever you're searching google for. - Jonathan Day

The "same old thing" aspect of Google is why I use Yahoo and Bing... and dmoz. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

I took the Search Engine Blind Test and I picked Yahoo. - Gary Kostrivas

gotta go lookup hegemony - Jim Bednarz

People like finding info in a familiar format... Wikipedia gives them that - Jim Shaver

I think one side-effect of Google being so successful is that fewer people have their own web pages with links to sites. And those other links used to be one of the ways Google decided what pages should be on the first page. - Garance Alistair

Yes, if many people think an article is relevant... isn't it... you know... more likely to be relevant? - Ken Sheppardson

what's bing? - min

google has a twitter? - Scott H

oic - min

the blind search engine test is down. we crashed it - Dakota O'Neill

google is all about backlinks - Jörg Reinhardt

bing is microsoft's competing search engine. - Ronald Hahm

it was down before you said it leo. BTW I always pick google on the blind test thing. - Dakota O'Neill

do it in chrome - EvilMonkey

Wikipedia is so widely found because everyone links to it, because its cc - Jörg Reinhardt

You can do it in safari with glims - Ward Miller

"screw you" apple - Dakota O'Neill

Leo add Glims - Ward Miller

LONG LIVE GNU/LINUX! - RALPH

Understatement of the Week: Apple not exactly open - Jim Shaver

So anybody else have a Pre? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

what was the blind search URL ....? - TalkToMeGuy

Apple: Because pretty things are often painful. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Like Club Fed - craig keenan

Bing on Safari? Install Inquisitor - Carlos Duarte

Molly is PC only - Fee501st

All Hail Linux the luxurious - Jim Shaver

oh dear - RALPH

Veronica - Dakota O'Neill

Wasn't it Alex on Macbreak that was putting forward the theory that there was orginally only one Steve, and that some strange time/space discontinuity split him into Woz and Jobs? - Ken Sheppardson

blindsearch.fejus.com - Mitch Boettcher

apple fail - EvilMonkey

Long Live LINUX! - RALPH

Apple knows we are talking about them - Jim Shaver

lol freaking sound engineer! - Dakota O'Neill

Sound engineer or Cylon - Gary Kostrivas

yea, tea inhalant - min

Dvorak - Jim Shaver

Can I mention his name? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

No, not Dvorak - Ken Sheppardson

lol! - Dakota O'Neill

Adam Currey - Jim Shaver

curry - Jim Shaver

g gang episode.... - min

does his name rhyme with mvorak? - Jim Shaver

Dane Golden - Jim Shaver

i can't wait until html5 comes fully. i hate flash, your lagging on me leo :( - Dakota O'Neill

rhymes with Ganter - Jan Ole Peek

What min and Jan said. - Ken Sheppardson

I totally agree with Veronica. - Jonathan Day

Not allowing "targeted messaging" on Twitter seriously constrains the potential to commercialize the service. - Ken Sheppardson

I don't mind people who advertise "their stuff", but not an ad that someone is paying to insert their commercial in someone else's life. - Garance Alistair

Molly is grand! - James Larmore

This discussion is immediately following a GoToMeeting ad? Hm. - Ken Sheppardson

That is why Leo brought it up - Hector

Ah... I tuned out during the ad. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

A big problem with spam ads is that they suck. They are not interesting or helpful. Compelling ads or products don't usually make spam. Just a thought. - Joel R

The line is most blurred on TWiT when it comes to Drobo on Macbreak and TWiP - Ken Sheppardson

Alex, Scott, etc. are all fans of the product, who are also paid to "evangelize", in a sense - Ken Sheppardson

You choose what twitter is for you, it can be about conversation with people who interest you or it can be following tonnes of random people. - Jonathan Day

All of us are on Twitter to advertise. - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken those are part of the PixelCorps though - Jim Shaver

I don't like the idea because somebody could make it look like an ad but it might actually be say a website with a virus. - Dakota O'Neill

Yes, Oprah is on twitter to advertise herself. But the people *FOLLOWING* Oprah are following her because they expect that. They want Oprah's ads. - Garance Alistair

it really depends on how often the ads come up - Daniel E. Renfer

Twitter will be history this time next year - Rick

did the first podcasts have adds? - EvilMonkey

no - Jim Shaver

Also, Twitter is the company which is spending all the money to make the service available, and these commercials are not financially helping Twitter. - Garance Alistair

Humans are inherently internally inconsistent and hypocritical, and we don't like it when other people do things we think it's OK to do ourselves. We all just need to learn to live with it and move on. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

I am Mad about DIGG.COM's sponsored stories!!! I think that is just as messed up as ad tweets - Nick Young

I love Molly Rants !! I finally lived long enough to hear bull crap and Oprah's name [brand] used in the same sentence !! - TalkToMeGuy

I've been seeing a lot of twitter spam bots that have 4 random facts, and then one ad. I removed them - Daniel E. Renfer

What if the ads were personally selected by the person on twitter ? - Jason Cartwright

@Rick I agree, though I'd give it two years at the most - TeraDyne Azurepaw

It was years before podcasts had ads - Jim Shaver

as long as you put a mute tag in the tweet so I can mute it - min

Leo has difficulty seeing other point of view here. As for me, I just won't follow an ad dropper. So some people will drop ads, and others won't. What's the big debate about? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

facebooks ads are just dirty - Dakota O'Neill

Just let the market decide. If their content isn't important enough to you, you stop following, if their content is important to you, you're gonna continue following even if they have ads - Stephen Pickering

Preternat: He's trying to reconcile his same basic reaction with the sponsorship system on TWiT - Ken Sheppardson

too many url shorteners... - decjr

URL shortening is a commodity with no marginal value. All the services will start to fall by the wayside, and it'll just become a feature of other sites and services. - Ken Sheppardson

bittercakes. ahaha cute. - Dakota O'Neill

Ken ok, but my point still is, how one person reconciles it can be different from others. His is not the only point of view. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

I like moourl because it has a cute cow on it. - Jonathan Day

Preternat: I agree with you. - Ken Sheppardson

Twitter: we couldn't find a buisness model, so we're shutting down - Daniel E. Renfer

URL shortening is a short term arbitrage sort of opportunity. If you're building a business around it, you're doomed. - Ken Sheppardson

tr.im had great stats too - Klaus Bach

Name the show: TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes - Fee501st

Bingo - Ken Sheppardson

TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes - Hector

To be fair, I have to add... I prefer his point of view. It's just not the only view. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Bitly is gonna build a nice business around it - Stephen Pickering

I agree and disagree, I follow certain people to advertise what they wrote or did not advertise someone elses product. I block people who only post ads, it's spam to me. I don't use twitter for ads, I use it more as an RSS in a way - Dave Hoffman / N3PRO from twhirl

Why can't Twitter automatically convert the shortened URLs to the actual URLs? - Dale Feinstein

He needs money for his podcast not Twitter, Twitter is free his cost to buy stuff to make his broadcast better isn't, so ads help to make back the money he spends to bring the program to us. - Jacob Chimilar from iPod

Bit.ly has a Firefox plugin to preview - Nick Young

@Leo The security aspect might be a good topic for an episode of Security Now. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

another reason to go mac - min

Scott gets it. You have to trust the person posting the link. - Ken Sheppardson

Wow Leo is pissed - Hector

Adrian: First time listening? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Imagine. A Twitter conversation on "Twit Live". Who would have guessed? :-) - Garance Alistair

Don't interrupt the Leo! - Hector

He was more pissed that Coleen stole his passwords :D - Nick Young

Is Twitter reliable - Jim Shaver

Patents, copyright, trademark... all the intellectual property laws are fundamentally broken and not keeping up with technology. - Ken Sheppardson

reliable twitter aint - EvilMonkey

I invented the wheel. What's prior art? - Daniel E. Renfer

I invented Patent Oswalt - Gary Kostrivas

patent is a good business. It doesn't require a real product - min

Patents: For those who can't make money the honest way - TeraDyne Azurepaw

She should! She would be awesome, made to rant in a legal capacity. - Jonathan Day

Isn't patent law fundamentally unchanged since it was developed in Italy back in the 15th century? - Ken Sheppardson

This conversation would be very different if @acedtect & @therealdvorak were here - Mike

you have to be an engineer to be a patent lawyer, right ? - cxx dxx

Going to law school to study patent law these days is equivalent to going into engineering to learn about buggy whip dynamics - Ken Sheppardson

patents try to increase innovation where there is none. We have plenty of innovation in the tech world and the current patent regime stifles it - Jim Shaver

It used to be that you could apprentice with an attorney for seven years, and that would allow you to sit for the Cal BAR in CA. Not anymore. You have to take classes at a law school now. You can, however, pass law school and call yourself a JD (Juris Doctorate). - shelter watch

Can't skip past the ad on the live stream can you? >_< - Jonathan Day

No, Jonathan, you can't. 'cause they sneak in content during the ad ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

if you stop the stream and come back in... say 20 mins - Jim Shaver

@Ken, Leo makes content out of the ads. He's just that good. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

He's certainly mastered the Paul Harvey ad format :-) - Ken Sheppardson

good day - min

NICE - Ken Sheppardson

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

I'm not taking that risk, there might some gems of content hidden in the ad in that case. That being said I might actually give Squarespace a try - need to sort out my wordpress.com blog. - Jonathan Day

There's an online law school (non-ABA approved) which allows you to sit for the BAR for $3K plus per year. There's another law school which meets only M-TH at night only for people who want to have a law degree for nonprofit type purposes (People's Law School or something like that). $5K plus per year. - shelter watch

First season of Caprica starts January 22, 2010 on SyFy - Ken Sheppardson

What about SANs Institute comments about Adobe - Rick

Caprica = two hour pilot + 18 one hour episodes - Ken Sheppardson

the zune hd video interface is on youtube, its sick! - Dakota O'Neill

Is Veronica a secret booze hound? This is not the squeaky clean VB image I'm used to! - Jonathan Day

BSG: When Pam wakes and finds Bobby the Cylon in the shower and the previous season was just a dream... I never saw that coming! - ZillaFan

Molly needs to get also get a PHD and get knighted so she she can be Sir Molly Wood Esquire - Dave T

I really want a Zune after seeing the Zune HD. I already wanted a Zune, but the HD is just too awesome to pass up. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Look how freaking smug Molly looked there for a passing moment. - Jonathan Day

Sir Dr. Wood Esquire - Dave T

http://www.youtube.com/watch... zune hd interface video at gdgt - Dakota O'Neill

That would be Lady Dr Wood Esq - Jonathan Day

speaking of SciFi network, check this out: http://www.savethescc.com (Save the Sarah Connor Chronicles) - Aaron Coe

Get out the cold water - Anthony

Sir/Lady it's all good - Dave T

Just upgrade the old tunes to iTunes+ . She probably can't upgrade all the old tunes, but most of them. (I've upgraded most of mine, but some songs don't show up for upgrades for some reason) - Garance Alistair

The ad people didn't like it - Jonathan Day

No Scfy in Canada\ - Greg

It's because they can not TradeMark SciFi - Nick Young

It was hard to brand the original Channel content because Sci-Fi was also the genre so they had to change it. - Jonathan Day

TWyT - Ken Sheppardson

twt - cxx dxx

SyShyack - Garance Alistair

the shack = wtf - Dakota O'Neill

the Shaq? - RALPH

With their giant laptops... - Jonathan Day

just love when Chief TWiT makes fun of other names - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

the shack? - EvilMonkey

To get pot? - Ken Sheppardson

Online Law School - Degree - Northwestern California UniversityNorthwestern California University is an entirely online law school with ... Address: 2151 River Plaza Drive, Suite 306 Sacramento, CA 95833 http://www.nwculaw.edu - shelter watch

Ive got a woody - RALPH

Ohhhh, radio shack - min

twt shack - cxx dxx

They should call it the TechShack - Gary Kostrivas

So Lance Armstrong just signed on to join a RadioShack sponsored cycling team... I wonder how "The Shack" will go over as an international brand... - Ken Sheppardson

Like they have any electronics left in them anyway - Anthony

Vacuum tubes - Ken Sheppardson

in canada I haven't seen a radioshack in forever. we have "The Source" By CircuitCity - Dakota O'Neill

A few years ago, all the Radio Shacks in Canada became "The Source by Circuit City" - Thomas James

Tandy - David Cassady

That's a Disney lesson they need to learn - Jonathan Day

sony not cheap - EvilMonkey

A possible purchase for myself over here in Ireland since the kindle doesn't seem to be happening over in Europe in general. - Jonathan Day

she's talkin about the itablet - min

Disney, McDonalds, and Coke never change. Thats why they are still around. - craig keenan

THE HORROR!!! - Dakota O'Neill

Coke tried to change you kidding?? - Da-Chief

She drunk downloads!! Like Molly was talking about on the recent Gadgettes episode - Jonathan Day

and when Coke tried to they almost tanked and were forced to change back - Grumpy

The little reference paperbacks I carry with me most often are ~4.5"x7". That's 8" corner to corner. A device that size would be pretty darn handy. - Ken Sheppardson

Toby remembers when COKE TANKED! - Da-Chief

My question is, what happens to all those purchases when they finally make a Color Kindle? Will you be able to get your book in color? - RALPH

I have an ebook reader: my eeePC 900A. Displaying text is all it seems to be good for anymore. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

snap veronica - cxx dxx

5" is probably about the minimum size screen you can read comfortably and feel "like a book" - Ken Sheppardson

Rename Twitter... "ter" - Ken Sheppardson

Amazon will be AMAZN - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Or even, Uh-Mahzan lol - Klaus Bach

If it paid good, I would take it. I would also have to move to the USA - Dakota O'Neill

I think the only real responsibility of that position is to make sure all the TPS reports have the proper cover sheet. - Ken Sheppardson

Oh it is getting late here over on the Emerald Isle, might need to call it a night. I will try and hold on another while because I am enjoying this lovely group. - Jonathan Day

NSA is the grand daddy and it knows all the dirty tricks. - min

CyberTsar is a cool title though . What do you do? I'm the CyberTsar!! - Chris Gilmore

not sure if that "poor guy" was really damaged much - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

goverment reg for computer are too stiffeling. - Howard Losiewicz

cept for the DrM - min

My honest guess would be that as soon as most 'cyber czar' candidates see what the NSA, et al are already doing they realize they really don't have a role other than PR - Ken Sheppardson

If they don't choose it... Why is Cory Doctorow not on . Can't use on Linux - Jim Shaver

so if i sign up i get 2 free and can cancel and keep the two free books? - Jim Graham

Molly's frozen again. - John Lyons

I don't think regulations are "too stifling," but I do think walking into a role like that brings with it an unparalleled exposure to bureaucracy...at a level you wouldn't get even as a CIO of some of the largest companies - Marco Iacono

does the audible promotion work in Canada, I have always wondered? - Dakota O'Neill

I like the Sun for the articles - min

The "Ted Turner" model... - craig keenan

I thought that there is some type of law which requires a non-US citizen to only own a certain amount (percentage) of media. There was a big deal with Rupert Murdock about 10 or so years ago over this. Maybe he became a citizen? - shelter watch

they are forced to not give bs comment on michael jackson and what not when there is a election crisis - aleser

Weren't you going to mention OpenStreetMap Leo? - Patrick Sullivan

don't forget OPEN STREET MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!! - Jim Shaver

where does it tell you, how long you have been on twitter - Dakota O'Neill

not humane please stop - aleser

great show! - Dakota O'Neill

very cool it i wonder if tehachapi ca is on it - aleser

I guess I could do dinner now, then. - min

good show! - Benjamin

TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes - Hector

clean up before the go to my pc ad to, you where talking about pot! - Dakota O'Neill

hmm, laugh track - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

http://www.openstreetmap.org - craig keenan

oprah has a big audience too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

question wat happened to the twitter chat and why is it only friend feed to post chat anyone ...! - aleser

what was twitter chat? have never seen it. you mean irc.twit.tv chat? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

i dunno. the character changes when the studio fills up with superfans - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Great show as always, ladies and gents. - Ray H

Great Show Thanks Leo! - RALPH

Is the twit listen option new or did I miss it all those times? My EVDO works when it wants to, right now I only have 1XRTT speed of around 100K. Definitely better than dial up here in the boonies which is what I had b4. - shelter watch

twit listen has been available for awhile now - russellcoleman

What is twit listen? - drmacintosh

What the hell it is? - Josh Haley

Robert Scoble

The "stolen" Twitter docs now being published by TechCrunch just make Twitter look freaking awesome. Agree or disagree? Tell me here:

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I think that this helps Twitter get to the next level. Why? Because it brings us deep inside Twitter where we see what they are thinking. It humanizes Twitter. It opens up Twitter in a way that Facebook simply won't be able to respond to. - Robert Scoble

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If they can pull off what has been shown, definitely, but I do have my doubts. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

definitely agree. They seems pretty promising. - TheHenry

I called Arrington an Asshole yesterday & today I said I loved him! Im into women though - i get married next saturday - iTbay

The pulse of the planet. You've gotta' love that. - Gregg Morris

James: me too, but at least it shows that there's leaders there. - Robert Scoble

If I were at Facebook now I would have a hacker "steal" my internal plans and publish them too. This is great PR for Twitter. - Robert Scoble

ah crap techcrunch has lost it, stupid journalism and unwanted - Keith Dsouza

Whether it's good or not for Twitter the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth from TC perspective. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Awesome? Asking for a "full license to the content (including commercial use)", doesn't sound very awesome to me. http://cliq.cc/asfxl - Darren

Should have turned the docs over to the authorities. Take the high road not the road to more page views. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

This came up in our discussion, this might actually help Twitter. This is the first time everyone's pretty much siding with them and giving twitter sympathy. We have a great discussion on the matter going on here: http://davidspinks.com/2009... - David Spinks

I agree. - Özgür D. Cyric from iPhone

It's still in bad taste. What would he say if his company's internal strategy were leaked and publicly scrutinized by competitors? This is a plus for Twitter because they sound like they have things together, but Arrington and TechCrunch just look petty and opportunistic. - ServInt

Although just about any news outlet would do the same thing, so it's hard to fault him entirely. - ServInt

it reads to me like Arrington is leveraging possession of these documents to make twitter say "thank you, sir! may i have another?". i just can't get behind that. Dave Winer points out people are interested and want to know about this. true - myself included - but it will all come to light soon enough. is anyone making book on whether there will be a glass houses moment for TechCrunch? - jeffscott

Robert , cant agree more, this is great PR for Twitter. Maybe this is whole incident is going according to Plan ? If the French site got these tonnes of doc's why did they not pub them too eh ?? after all its a scoop correct ? - Peter Dawson

I suspect in the end it will be a win win for both parties TC and Twitter. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Twitter just looks like all the rest of us, innovating away, not really sure where they are going. It all looks very real and normal to me. - Graeme Sutherland

I'm with Molly Wood on this. Dick move Tech Crunch. - Tom McCoy

Twitter may look awesome but I think it makes TechCrunch look awful. When you use the word "stolen" it's like you don't think they were but they were. This is TechCrunch profiting off stolen goods which is illegal when it comes to tangible items. I think they should have turned them over to Twitter with a hey dude I think you might want these back..... - Jerranna

Is this a PR tactic by twitter? - Ruchit Garg

I have to agree with Darren, I don't like the concept that Twitter wants "full license to the content (including commercial use)." Their "content," as I understand it, are the thoughts and musings of all us tweeps. Sure, lots of people, myself included, also use Twitter to promote an article or some other sort of publicity. But what about the more random thoughts that are posted? I... more... - Ian Paul

Phase 1 - Release documents showing what we'd like to do. Phase 2 - Do something else. Phase 3 - Profit - Keith Barrett from Android

Looks they know who they are but is it deliberate? - Ashish

Re: my earlier comment about licensing content. I just got to the document where Twitter discusses content licensing options. I like the issues they're pondering and the consideration for the average user. Let's hope that kind of awareness remains. I'm impressed by the process Twitter is going through, and the thoughtfulness these documents express. But does it make them look awesome?... more... - Ian Paul

"Audience size: 1st to a Billion = Awesome" - I imagine the Twitter guys throwing up the horns and headbanging when they read this to themselves. - Bryan Zirkel

It's a link farm. There's no conversation going on there. But hey, we need one of those. Just like we need a World Wide Rolodex called Facebook. It's all good. - Stephen Pickering

i think it's a bull$hit story, for new bogus cyber laws, and also to distract from the Goldman Sachs/Quantum Trading Shakeup scandal ; see http://ff.im/5dh9T +++ and also btw: http://ff.im/5jNoC LaToyah Jackson Twitter-Follow autoUpdate delayed by Twitter - ewing2001akaNicomedy2010

Again, I think Twitter could have stolen the thunder away from TechCrunch here and just published it all ahead of time. They had a huge opportunity. - Jesse Stay

I think I would call this in favor of Twitter. They have been very close to the vest about their plans to the point that people have speculated (too long) that there are no plans or they are too scattered to have any plans. In the absence of communication / information, people have been filling in the "blanks" with their own information and most of it has not been good. So, by giving us... more... - Brenda Young

I will let you know my personal opinion after getting my “advisor shares” :))) - Nir Ben Yona

Actually, the "Twitter Papers" stolen and leaked make them look like a company in the thrall and haze of early momentum trying to figure out what do next...trying not to be stupid and squander what they, and many of us, sense is an historic commercial, consumer and social moment. Their apparent bouncing from suitor meeting to suitor meeting to acquisition analysis and back to competitor... more... - Thom Kennon

Feldman has gotten hold of all 320 pages it seems, heh - Mark

I love the idea, a lot of my hopes for twitter may not be (such) a pipe dream anymore. It would be great if they came through on 1/2 of the ideas "posted" by TC. - Adam

Bill: Actually, they seem to further equivocate, saying they didn't give "permission for these documents to be shared". That could simply refer to them giving the thief permission to "share" with TC... not denying they let Arrington publish them with, my guess is, agreed edits and redacts. Schonfeld is very quiet about all this. Would be interesting to sweat him out a bit... - Thom Kennon

In my opinion TC shouldnt public any of these docs ,,,,they are stolen and there is no way that this site or another will use them - Johni Fisher

what do you mean Johni? gawker have stated tonight they will post the whole set of documents if someone sends them to their inbox - Mark

TC is doing Twitter a favor. By controlling what gets out Twitter remains happy, it remains controversial, and Twitter gets more exposure than they could ask for. Otherwise you can bet they will end up on wikileaks somewhere (and they probably will anyway). - Jesse Stay

Jesse Stay: do you see an opportunity in the way that these docs landed on the TC table ... sorry they should protect Twitter and help them to find the one that made that, TC has an important space today in the tech world and they sould protect companies like Twitter - Johni Fisher

who's gonna lead the friendGate heist? - George Dearing from BuddyFeed

Johni, even more so, TC has a responsibility as a journalist to report the news, and protect their sources at the same time. I imagine the reporting here and discussions with Twitter were done in a very business-like manner, offering Twitter the opportunity for a ton of exposure if Twitter in turn would agree not to sue them. The other alternative would be the entire documents would end... more... - Jesse Stay

Jesse : if there is fire somewhere will you join ? or try to help ?TC has much more than just responsibility,I cant see any other way to publish these docs with out the 100% OK of Twitter ,and if some one will ask me ,I am sure that all this story is with the 100% ok from them ,TC will not take any risk on that ,,,its funny that most of us are belivers :-))) - Johni Fisher

Johni, I'm saying this leak is the best thing that could have happened to Twitter. There's no fire, and Tech Crunch is only helping to make it better. What would be worse is it appearing on Wikileaks with no exposure in any way by TechCrunch. Twitter's trying to downplay it right now because they have to or their investors will be all over them. Twitter couldn't ask for better exposure though. Controversy is what makes products. - Jesse Stay

Jesse:If Twitter are not ok with the action it should never be on the Air ,sorry that I cant agree about TC helping Twitter and not losing the big news to other bloger ,,,LOL TC has much more to lose than other bloger ,,, and if I was Twitter founder I would make 20-50 million usd just by asking TC to pay quickly with out the court ,,,,I am sure that this story if Twitter will act with... more... - Johni Fisher

"Stolen" indeed. These docs were written to be leaked. - Garin Kilpatrick

It look like Twitter is going public ... lets see - Johni Fisher

Anyone that previously thought the they don't have a plan to generate revenue is now proven wrong. They certainly spend a considerable amount of time thinking about that. - Joe Buhler

A little too much to think of twitter as "the pulse of the internet", but they do look awesome. Wonder if it wasnt all just a big PR stunt.. it came on a very good timing! - Leonardo Saraceni

I have issues with TC's decision to publish this info but I'll admit that I read every word of that last post. I'm blown away by how much information was revealed. My head is spinning digesting all of the info and wondering how all of those potential partnerships will be impacted. - Mike Doeff

agree - Thomas Power

stolen is the key word. not leaked, but stolen. it pisses me off that @arrington is trying to make this whole thing look like he is doing twitter a favor by helping them with their security isuues and so on. the right thing to do would have been to email @ev or whomever and tell them they had been hacked. delete the documents off of his computer and report the story with twitters permission. if it were leaked info, i think @arrington could do whatever he wanted with the info. - Tobias Lewsadder

another issue is the burning of bridges... did @arrington shoot himself in the foot by doing this? will twitter ever grant him an interview? will twitter ever come to him with breaking news? will twitter investors like kevin rose ever trust arrington? and... after the whole @leolaporte issue where everyone was hating on @arrington and he stated that he feared for his personal safety, is... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

Mostly it makes TC look like a bunch of assholes. - Bas

I am sure they are not assholes, but their editorial policy is spotty at best, and broken at worst. - Mark

The funny thing about Arrington, is when it all gets too much for him he goes on vacation. He is publishing stolen documents and getting slammed for it, but of course its all about him, so he proclaims he is running away to las vegas. - Mark

Of course he thinks he is a martyr now for publishing this. He tweeted something like "taking the sword in the back" for the good of the industry. You better believe if it was a blog with less influence than TC, or less power than Arrington there would have been cease and desists and other legal things from TWITTER. - Mark

I thought there was some kind of law against stealing and/or publishing internal business documents. Espionage. Maybe Twitter's business model just became suing TechCrunch? - beersage

they wouldn't dare sue techcrunch, right? - Mark

Holy crap, maybe they WOULD sue TechCrunch for "the damage caused" http://blog.twitter.com/2009... - Mark

@Mark - Twitter has more "Charisma" in my opinion... meaning more folks would come to Twitter's defense if they sued TechCrunch than consider them 'evil.' They'd probably have to show that the release of the documents has damaged their business. - beersage

Take a look at that Twitter blog post posted a few hours ago, it seems to suggest they might go after people who publish internal documents - Mark

But why would they leak documents in which they say Marissa at google is a pain in the ass? - Mark

lolz - Mark

From what I've read it's all good press,all power to ya Twitter. - Richard Kawane Sr

Indeed. If felt a bit like nosing around into someone's secret diary but it does make them look smart, deep thinking and a bit dreamy (which is not necessarily bad.) I am not sure I am ok with TechCrunch publishing it though. And I loved this: “unusually happy place to work in”. - Ina Ghita

ScottBourne: welcome to our legal system where if there are two conflicting interests things sometimes get warped. There's lots of legal precident here for stolen docs to be sharable publicly because of our First Amendment. Twitter would probably lose a suit, according to the legal analysis I've seen. This is why journalists and lawyers aren't liked, though. No one ever said this business is nice. - Robert Scoble

Wreaks of publicity stunt to this skeptic... - Dale

IMO, dealing in stolen good is just that. publishing them doesn't change anything. sure, there are times that some have purposefully stolen documents with the express purpose of publishing them - sometimes to expose crimes, etc. it's still stealing and some go to jail for such actions no matter the motive or outcome. finally publishing stolen Twitter docs doesn't come close to journalistic acts of publishing stolen government docs in an effort to thwart crimes so don't even go there. - MikeAmundsen

I side with Twitter on the whole thing (mostly since they admitted to being in the wrong), but to an extent, I question the validity and integrity of the documents, since nobody outside of Twitter has seen them (Barring whoever supposedly submitted them to TechCrunch, and the few people who read the related blog posts). - Tyson Key

Gotta agree with Dale... this seems pretty contrived. And coming off the heels of techcrunch, where real-time media is all the rage, it seems like a planned way to build buzz on the Twit - Mark Gordon

it is good PR for new hire: great ambitions - Jadito

The perception from the docs is that they are diligently planning and internalizing their growth. That said going from 25 million users to 1 Billion in just 4 years would be breathtaking -- and far beyond the faster than any communication paradigm ever in the history of the planet.....Is this planned? That seems unlikely. Should they have been posted by TechCrunch -- no. - Shane Pearson

They will achieve such ambition if they are bought by a bigger one. What is freaking.is if they change their privacy policy like Facebook did. - Eric Gourmet

Robert Scoble

Has anyone seen their tweets being removed from Twitter Search? Someone just called me and showed me her tweets are. Anti-spam measures?

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Maybe, I have not noticed it. - Adam

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Oh yes. And it's not anti-spam. See my post here http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009... - Karoli

Probably, I think the people @ Twitter are working real hard on getting rid of all the spam, that's why we are seeing a decrease in the number of followers/removed tweets from Twitter Search - Ahmed

it's an arbitrary removal from search based upon subjective criteria which may or may not be true. - Karoli

Haven't seen this yet. Though I would be interesting. Currently working on a Drupal site that filters local tweets since we've been invaded by Gurus and Social Marketing twits. - Dean Clark

the one common thread I've been able to find in the ones I know of is that they all tweeted with regard to the #iranelection with that tag. - Karoli

I've searched for tweets which I specifically remember based on memorable keywords, only to find them missing from Twitter search. It's been happening for months. - Jackie Danicki

Yap ,,, mine as well are not in the search...you can find them in FF but not there - Johni Fisher

Ya, I only have 3.25 pages showing up yet I have 300+ tweets.... It could also be blamed on a "hardware issue" or a "process saver". - Adam

Most of my twitpic tweets are missing. Not that I think it's necessarily a big deal, but it is a little odd. - malackey

Jackie, some people's entire streams are removed. If you do a from: search on them you will get no result - Karoli

Also, many of the people removed from search entirely are engaged, legit long-term Twitterzens. - Karoli

Robert, this has been going on for months. I had to write a post that has fixed dozens of accounts in the past week alone. Tweet >> Have *YOU* been "FILTERED OUT" of Twitter's Search feature? Many have been. Get the test & FIX here: http://bit.ly/ShoqTips - Shoq

I'm still bummed Summize doesn't index every tweet >:[ Twitter is setting itself too much stock that new tweets are more relevant than older ones... - CannonGod

There are several manifestations. Even though my account is fixed, many tweets simply vanish into an index wormhole. They can be found in my updates, but NOT by search. - Shoq

and then there is the problem of having accounts restored, only to discover that any tweets prior to restoration are never, ever available in search again. - Karoli

i guess @ev is banned. do from:ev, you get nothing. now do http://bit.ly/RvKNZ & you'll see his tweets. i suspect from:TWITTERNAME does indicated a filter in many cases but not necessarily in them all. Twitter search has been losing posts for months, especially if you do advanced searches http://bit.ly/Imtq1 but stuff from @shoq @karoli is really helpful -- hopefully Twitter will get their act together more & make things clearer - dannysullivan

Its not just loosing ,they have some words that you cant find at all or cant find after a date ,,,this problem is from the first days of June - Johni Fisher

thanks, danny. don't know about @ev, but if you look at @delbius' stream, you'll see how many replies are terse "you may have posted a malware link", or something similar. No pointer, no warning, no nothing to tell you why you're removed. But she makes it clear that people *were* removed. - Karoli

I am not a spamer and never posted a malware link, but they took out our company name from the search ,,,,,simple as that ,if they are happy I am happy for them too - Johni Fisher

I do see where ev's account was hacked. perhaps he decided to keep it offline and out of search. - Karoli

Yes - i blogged about it and then followed twitter folks around until they released me from twitter purgatory - someone tweeted about this earlier - I will have to dig it up. It takes time, dedication, and persistence to get back into the steam... - bev

When I post in reply within trends, I cannot see my tweets within the stream. I contacted Twitter and they said they knew it was an ongoing issue and instead of correct it... closed my ticket. - Nile Flores

Nile, Shoq has written a FAQ for dealing with this stuff. http://bit.ly/ShoqTips - Karoli

Earlier, all results for the search "textPlus" - GOGII's iPhone app were missing, but now they're back. - drew olanoff

I was filtered for some time -- don't know the start because I didn't know to look.Restored for 4 hours then filtered again for about 20 hours, now back to full feed. I have no idea why I was filtered. I did use tweetlater.com to announce a friend's non-profit petiiton (about 12 tweets over 48 hours, not much variation). All my tweets from before filtering are gone from search. Not a big issue for me as I don't rely on, but could be very hard for a tweeple for business. - Liz

Twitter hates you :) - Jason Nunnelley

Every time you post "FriendFeed" a sparrow dies. - Alan Chamberlain

Mine are and I contacted Crystal. It's not personal. It's a known issue. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

@salspizza This discovery by @scobleizer affects you, even though you don't sell pizza. - Bernie Goldbach

mark it's not personal but it is intentional in many cases. this comes straight from delbius. people's accounts are suspended for amorphous rule breaking that they're completely unaware of. - Karoli from BuddyFeed

I usually notice the opposite, that deleting a tweet has little value because it still appears in the search DB - Keith Barrett

I hate Twitter's unpolicy on pretty much everything. - Jason Nunnelley

Robert Scoble

My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."

July 13, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says. - Robert Scoble

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that's it- the understanding of publics. - Kevin Marks

Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks. - Robert Scoble

That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again. - Hoop

It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about. - Jason Preston

my 13 yr old daughter says the same - Miguel Rodriguez

too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter - Julie Gallaher

That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews. - Joseph Ferris

Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return. - Jeff Peters

Because their parents are there - Bwana ☠

danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics - Kevin Marks

My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that! - Kirsti Scott

They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly.... - Mrinal Desai

I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there - Miguel Rodriguez

Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly. - Adam

Good plan, Zachary! - Kirsti Scott

I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it. - Rahul Krishnakumar

the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009... - Bhavishya Kanjhan

Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread - Bwana ☠

It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this. - Luke Kilpatrick

My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one. - Robert Scoble

Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored - Bwana ☠

Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :) - Bwana ☠

Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc. - Chris Lawrence

I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations. - Rick LaFave

Success! - Bwana ☠

I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement. - Bettina Tizzy

Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary. - Chris Lawrence

Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point. - Darin aka iGoByDoc

By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine.... - Andrew Leyden

because it takes too long and is too involved... - Morgan

Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs? - Todd Pringle

That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status. - Chris Lawrence

Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of. - Chris Lawrence

Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot. - Todd Pringle

I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :( - Chris Lawrence

goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have. - MikeAmundsen

Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16. - Sean Quinn

It's 25c per SMS in Australia. - Chris Lawrence

I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?" - Angus Burton

Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress! - Chris Lawrence

My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining. - Patrick Giblin

Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook). - CannonGod

I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it. - Nicholas Fidanza

Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however... - CannonGod

@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience. - Sean Quinn

I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me) - Oliver Reich

I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say. - CannonGod

While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social... more... - Johni Fisher

my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social... - mike "glemak" dunn from iPhone

got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF. - MikeAmundsen

There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines... - Steffan Antonas

The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO. - Steffan Antonas

It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.) - Eric Rice

Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that. - Angus Burton

I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works. - Rachel Lea Fox

It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a... more... - Arturo Toledo

No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ? - Ron Thompson

What does he think about FF? - Geoff Schultz {TF}

Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15. - Robert Scoble

It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive. - Todd Hoff

True enough Robert, Also true Todd. - Geoff Schultz {TF}

I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed. - Matt Ruiz

I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots. - Robert Hafer from iPhone

Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens. - Patrick Scoble

Todd: That is also absolutely true with students. - Patrick Scoble

It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc. - Craig Malone

kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words - echostreamer

Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter? - Rob Sterling

the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :) - echostreamer

Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school. - Rob Sterling

There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure. - dcap

Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe. - Robert Hafer

How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter. - Kimber Scott

Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons. - Robert Hafer

I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens" - Bill Rawlinson

Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig... - Monica O'Brien

There are many uses of twitter :) - Key KnowHow

I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them! - Su Butcher

As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one! - | Balu |

Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking. - Hutch Carpenter

So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter - Hans Kainz

We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does). - Hugh Isaacs II

I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point. - Chris Chua

I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting - Kaysha

Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion. - Simon Rogers

another possibility ADD - polou/indigo_bow

Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it - Alexander van Elsas from iPhone

Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009... - Larry Hawes

the wisdom of youth! - Neil Ashworth

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