the most handy teleportation device i've ever seen in a sci-fi series so far is the aschen one in stargate sg1 (season 4, ep. 16). they would be quite useful in istanbul. http://img690.yfrog.com/img690...
- satine
no need for teleportation, if you've got the right connected androids acting on your behalf, this is far sufficient ;-) When Google should begin to build these cheap Androids ? ;-)
- Thierry Lhôte
Satine, I guess so! I'll invent one for Izmir too! ;) @Thierry, why not? if they implement that kind of EPR telepathic quantum thingy ;)
- directeur
A neutron walks into a bar and says: "I’d like a beer, please." After the bartender gives him one, he asks: "How much will that be?" —"For you?", says the bartender, "No charge."
A bartender gives the tachyon his scotch. The tachyon says make it a double. The tachyon orders a scotch. A tachyon walks into a bar.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
from fftogo
two atoms walk into the bar, one says "I think I lost an electron outside somewhere." "are you sure?" the other asks. "yep, I'm positive!"
- Bren, Not Grinchy
"Facebook is proud to play a part in promoting peace by building technology that helps people better understand each other. By enabling people from diverse backgrounds to easily connect and share their ideas, we can decrease world conflict in the short and long term."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
"We are witnessing a new evolution in the online world. The When and Where pose many questions, most of them associated with privacy. The “WHO are you” and “WHAT are you doing” is rapidly evolving to “Who are you” “What are you doing” “WHEN are you doing” and “WHERE are you”. We can fairly say that the WWW became the WWWW. Below are some examples:"
- Howard Rheingold
"An electromagnetic "black hole" that sucks in surrounding light has been built for the first time. The device, which works at microwave frequencies, may soon be extended to trap visible light, leading to an entirely new way of harvesting solar energy to generate electricity. A theoretical design for a table-top black hole to trap light was proposed in a paper published earlier this year by Evgenii Narimanov and Alexander Kildishev of Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana. Their idea was to mimic the properties of a cosmological black hole, whose intense gravity bends the surrounding space-time, causing any nearby matter or radiation to follow the warped space-time and spiral inwards. Narimanov and Kildishev reasoned that it should be possible to build a device that makes light curve inwards towards its centre in a similar way. They calculated that this could be done by a cylindrical structure consisting of a central core surrounded by a shell of concentric rings."
- Alejandro
from Bookmarklet
"A unique study of former guerrillas in Colombia has helped scientists redefine their understanding of the key regions of the brain involved in literacy. The study, funded by the Wellcome Trust and the Spanish Ministry of Education and Science, has enabled the researchers to see how brain structure changed after learning to read."
- Howard Rheingold
Last week we asked a simple question: How will you use Google Wave? Over 600 responses later, we're sending Wave nominations to the people who had the best use cases. Here are a few. Education: Increasing Interactivity and Collaborative Learning Dozens of teachers, students, and academics of all stripes wrote in saying that they need better and faster ways to communicate and collaborate in and out of the classroom. Middle School Technology Coordinator Dov wrote: I am taking part in a program called Powerful Learning Practices (PLP, or PlanetP, if you like). PLP is a professional development model that immerses educators into environments that allow them to learn literacies of 21st Century teaching. The goal is that the teachers bring this new paradigm of learning and teaching back to their schools, becoming its best advocates. While the impact isn't as large as, say, the crew of the Enterprise saving a planet from Klingon destruction, it has the potential to affect thousands of...
- Jorge Escobar
"Successful knowledge management results in a competitive advantage in today's information- and knowledge-rich industries. The elaboration and integration of emerging web-based tools and services has proven suitable for collecting and organizing intellectual property. Due to an increasing information overload, information and knowledge visualization have become an effective method for representing complex bodies of knowledge in an alternative fashion by using visual languages. The focus of this research is the development of a "Visual Wiki", which combines the notion of a textual and a visual representation of knowledge. "
- Howard Rheingold
"EARLIER this year, a puzzling report appeared in the journal Sleep Medicine. It described two Italian people who never truly slept. They might lie down and close their eyes, but read-outs of brain activity showed none of the normal patterns associated with sleep. Their behaviour was pretty odd, too. Though largely unaware of their surroundings during these rest periods, they would walk around, yell, tremble violently and their hearts would race. The remainder of the time they were conscious and aware but prone to powerful, dream-like hallucinations. Both had been diagnosed with a neurodegenerative disorder called multiple system atrophy. According to the report's authors, Roberto Vetrugno and colleagues from the University of Bologna, Italy, the disease had damaged the pair's brains to such an extent that they had entered status dissociatus, a kind of twilight zone in which the boundaries between sleep and wakefulness completely break down (Sleep Medicine, vol 10, p 247)."
- RAPatton
"Known as sleep inertia, a less extreme version of such disorientation is now generally recognised as the cause of the grogginess some people get after their alarm clock goes off. It is as if they are socially awake but functionally asleep; as if the brain circuits underlying responsiveness are up and running, but those mediating working memory are still offline. Mahowald is convinced...
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- RAPatton
"The boundaries between sleep and wakefulness are particularly blurred when we are sleep-deprived. Around a decade ago, Dinges realised that although his sleep-deprived volunteers seemed to be awake, they were in fact experiencing momentary lapses, or microsleeps. Since then, he has discovered that these fleeting naps last between half a second and 2 seconds, and become increasingly...
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- RAPatton
"Lurking in the background is the hope that these approaches will shed light on the vexed issue of what sleep is for. A leading theory is that it is important for memory consolidation. Yet one of the puzzling aspects of the two Italians with status dissociatus is that, despite complete disruption of both their REM and NREM sleep, they showed no memory deficit. Does this add grist to the...
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- RAPatton
Sometimes when I'm coding, I say to myself: "Hey! Let's sing that song!", and I start singing it with totally different lyrics, for fun, and I LOL to tears... alone. I make myself laugh.
:D Do you remember that "Lohmeyer senpai" special episode? When the girl told to the guys in the park "please don't smoke here"? Their answer made me LOL, and it sounded just like your previous comment :)
- directeur
I like to sing songs to my wife using proper English. I've always thought there is a market for a Rapper that raps in proper English.
- Rich Puskarich
I like to sing songs to my wife using proper English. I've always thought there is a market for a Rapper that raps in proper English.
- Rich Puskarich
dont be jealous, you too record and share, vijay! nee aniki? :-D
- browneyes
from iPhone
hai hai hai!!! Vijay no baka! Record us some cool song and share it with us :D
- directeur
I don't listen to stuff with lyrics while I am coding...too distracting. But the stuff I do listen to does end up with MY lyrics, usually related to whatever I am doing. Many songs with some wild lyrics while fixing bugs. :-D
- April Russo (app103)
Unfortunately Google is making us to get down on our knees to get it. Hell, some people are ready to pay $27,000 to get it. Others are, I have to say it, abusing people to subscribe to their blogs, newsletters, marketing ploys to have a shot at one invite.
- Jorge Escobar
from Bookmarklet
Keith: maybe but more than usefulness the point is that we are long overdue for this kind of change. I think our response shows that there is an unspoken need to change something about the way we process all this information. I think we reached and left behind our biological limits for information processing a long time ago and the tools we are currently using were designed under the...
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- Andrés David Aparicio
The fact that there's so much interest for Wave is either a demonstration of ignorance from people about what it is, the fact that there's so limited access to it that it drives hype up or that people really want to have something better than E-mail
- Jorge Escobar
People love GMail, they want Wave to be even better than GMail. It's just not there yet, especially since it's not directly compatible with all of the zillions of email and IM accounts already out there. Wave would be great if the people we work with were on it, but they're not.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I offered to bake cookies for an invite... *cries* I'm a monster!!
- Adrian
I think Daniel has hit the nail on the head. At the moment it's a bells and whistles IM client. Longer term it may replace email, I'm just not sure how right now.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
I should have sold my invites for $27,000.....
- Tamar Weinberg
Hi folks! May I ask you a favor? I worked hard on my latest project "Socnode". I really liked it, and it was (still is!) fun! But I need help, I need people who can evangelize, people who know how to code. Please, if you know how to write php/python/java/ruby... code, and have some spare time, please think about it.
If you don't code, maybe you can help with some design, art... help promote the idea? :) Thank you! — I'm not saying that this idea is the "next BIG thing" (it will probably, I don't know) I'm just a man who'd love to see something happen and asks for help from smarter people :)
- directeur
hi, I'm working on my PubSubHubbub client(Pub/Sub) in Erlang. Your code and discussion happened here helped me a lot. But it would take one more week or so to release yet-very-alpha-one :) And also making a blog post in Japanese on socnode idea.
- Kazutaka Ogaki
So far, as long as I know, Erlang might not be good choice to implement Socnode type sevice :) There are so many things(framework, library, etc.) to make from the scratch(or customize). But I chose that way just for fun :)
- Kazutaka Ogaki
Arigato ne, Kazutaka san! :) Go for Erlang! I LOVE it when code is fun!
- directeur
@directeur, I'd love to tackle this on PHP BUT as you know, I'm in a race myself trying to release my own socnet project. But hopefully we'll be able to merge on the road ahead. Arigato! ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Holà Jorge! :) I know, and I'm looking forward seeing that! By the way, hey! Do not ever make me ask for an invite!!!!! :)
- directeur
Hello, directeur-san. I've just made my blog post on socnode in Japanese :) http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kgbu... Writing the post made me think a lot about socnode. As for my Erlang code, just begun to talk to the Hub, but the hub does not understand my code speaking :p Anyway, I'm enjoying coding.
- Kazutaka Ogaki
Very cool. And so much snappier. Lovin' it already. And Paul, I'm assuming you're going to try to move Facebook in that direction.
- Johan Bakken
I love it. Now if only we could use it in Facebook.
- Faraz Mullick
Good stuff! I've been using Facebook Lite to get straight to the content I care about without having to sift through gobs of application notifications, but this looks even better.
- Roger
Don't see the added value yet, but you can tell their working with Friendfeed is starting to pay off.
- Vincent van Wylick
Excellent! A bit of real-time here, a bit of hiding there and now we have the best Facebook client. Congrats!
- Andrés David Aparicio
The implementation of read state in kind of confusing. I look forward to more iteration in this space... long overdue.
- Michael Leggett
Paul: does the BSD-CC license apply to code files in the dev URL?
- Andrés David Aparicio
how come that it does not update in realtime ? ah, okay,it's not ff...
- Lode Nachtergaele
I'd like it more if I could hide individual posts on a one by one basis like I can on FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
It also seems like it only went three pages back for me. Would be better to page indefinitely.
- Thomas Hawk
To clarify, this isn't something that I or anyone else from FriendFeed created -- it's just a cool app. I don't know anything about the licensing terms.
- Paul Buchheit
I wonder who is behind it, I'll repeat my question in the Fan Page then...
- Andrés David Aparicio
it may not be something that FF created, but it's something along the lines of what the FF team ought to consider creating -- maybe as a place to test and experiment with engagement before considering features for broader roll out at Facebook. Creating a FF version of Facebook's news feed, complete with hide functionality, thread bumping, etc. would seem like a far more interesting way to interact with Facebook.
- Thomas Hawk
Paul, thanks for sharing it. Andrés, it is indeed BSD-CC licensed and the code is hosted on GitHub: http://github.com/nshah....
- daaku
It says "video unavailable": this video has been removed from facebook or is not visible due to privacy settings (damn use youtube pls, wtf is fb) thank god slideshare works.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Hi Bret, we are looking for a technical keynote for Facebook Garage in Montreal October 26th could you come by and give us a Tornado/Realtime-web talk? Or recommend a speaker from Facebook/Friendfeed? I know this is a long shot, but I figured asking you on FriendFeed was the best "context" to reach you about this...
- Sylvain Carle
In The Age of Spiritual Machines, Ray Kurzweil predicts that by 2019 we will all be able to experience 3-D virtual reality through glasses and contact lenses that beam images directly to our retinas (retinal display). Coupled with an auditory source (headphones), we will be able to remotely communicate with other people and access the Internet. These special contact lenses (available also as eyeglasses) will deliver “augmented reality” and “virtual reality” in three different ways: They can project “heads-up-displays” (HUDs) across the user’s field of vision, superimposing images that stay in place in the environment regardless of the user’s perspective or orientation. Virtual objects or people could be rendered in fixed locations by the glasses, so when the user’s eyes look elsewhere, the objects appear to stay in their places. The devices could block out the “real” world entirely and fully immerse the user in a virtual reality environment. Thin, lightweight, handheld displays with...
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- Eric Logan
from Bookmarklet
These visions are silly - except perhaps for the disabled. Who would want to wear a contact lens to see what is more conveniently accessible on external displays? We have perfectly good static and portable display devices today - gluing them to your eyeball just introduces endless pointless problems.
- Tim Tyler
But Tim, think of all those meetings you can virtually avoid... umm, I mean, multi-task at.
- τorƍue
Privacy is overrated - and in the future we will probably have a lot *less* of it. The main problem is not the desirability of the result - it is implementation problems that mean the actual result will not be of much use.
- Tim Tyler
Tim - I would certainly like to have the option to have an augmented reality overlay on my vision. It would be especially useful for navigation in crowded urban areas, for social networking - hell out in the woods it could possibly identify every plant and pretty much anything else you might want/need to know. It sounds like pure win to me.
- Internet's Tad
"The man" will see what you see... or at least have it handy on his desktop.
- τorƍue
You are not factoring in nausea as the image bounces around while eye and head tracking fail. How are you going to get power to a contact lens? Attempts to project onto the retina are not the only way to get mobile augmented reality. You can also project things onto the world with lasers, use conventional displays (held in the hand or mounted on the wrist) or have an oracle whisper the...
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- Tim Tyler
Why would you assume that the image bounces around? As for power, I'm not sure it would require much, so maybe some kinetic energy from blinking plus solar ought to handle it. You sound like the guy who thought no one would ever need more than 640k of RAM in their computer.
- Internet's Tad
I was not *assuming* that - I have some idea of the sensors and performance needed to perform that task in real time, is all. Solar power from a contact lens is an even sillier idea.
- Tim Tyler
Even if I would love to use them, more than the power issue I think the biggest issue is the control of the information reaching the lenses. If the communication is compromised and the outside world can be shut out with a command, we are in for a terrible ride. Even by changing small bits of data here and there there could be trouble. So, power source is an issue but I think that can be worked out; the security issues are more difficult, I think.
- Andrés David Aparicio
Here's what we have now - http://www.brother.com/en... - probably by the specified 2019 they will replace the half-mirror with something small, reflective and close enough to the pupil to be practically invisible. You'll have to look directly at it, but doing that is managable. It seems likely to remain a geek toy, though.
- Tim Tyler
"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A.T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
Late on Friday, I read a post from Allen Stern in FriendFeed saying that his blog, CenterNetworks had been, once again, injected with spam links. Allen runs his blog on the latest Wordpress installation, 2.8.4, which we all figured was really secure. I had upgraded barely a week ago, so I instantly checked my blog and lo and behold, I had been hacked as well. There is something inherently wrong with Wordpress' code if it's this easy to hack it, even with the tightest security measures, which in my case, include the top 5 of the 7 items listed below. I felt completely let down by Wordpress and for a moment thought that it's time for me to move on to something else for my blog. I am giving Wordpress a last chance, and have enforced the following security measures to see how it goes, and I highly recommend you enable these as well if you are running Wordpress.
- Jorge Escobar
"Tragedy struck today across the United States as millions of Americans died from suffocation as a result of Barack Obama’s speech last night about the importance of breathing. The trouble began weeks ago as conservative journalists and bloggers began to notice President Obama’s frequent inhalations and exhalations. Their online and television reporting led to a grassroots movement across the nation, in which self-proclaimed American patriots began holding what they termed vacuum parties. At these vacuum parties, a group called “Concerned Citizens for Freedom from Air” (CCFA) provided makeshift vacuum chambers for members to demonstrate their freedom from what they refer to as Socialist Air. September 6, 2009 vacuum party protesters in Atlanta, Georgia “You think the American people are free from tyranny? Just look at video footage of the worst dictators in history,” said Philip J. Ruthmore, Chairman of the Chattanooga chapter of Citizens Revolting Against the President (CRAP), a...
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- Alejandro
from Bookmarklet
my6sense's super duper AI (artificial intelligence) technology learns what is most important to you based on your consumption habits, serving you as a digital sense, or as we call it 'Digital Intuition'. There is nothing you need to do other than simply use the service like you would any other reader/aggregator. No preferences need to be set. No surveys to fill out. No blood samples needed. The m6s service 'senses' your interactions with every message
- Howard Rheingold
I need to learn Python :( I keep meaning to, but work happens.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Heh, so that's how you built the FriendFeed server farm so quickly? Lego! ;)
- Tyson Key
Watch Facebook will have the same lab in a month.
- Robert Scoble
Nice $50 Walmart chair. I just replaced mine today with a different Walmart junk chair. That one broke. Those plastic armrests are fragile! See how I had fixed it temporarily: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Dusty Wilson
Omg are you guys hiring??? I cook and clean! :)
- Mona Nomura
Building better apps the unconventional way ! ..why now, where is additional keyboard shortcuts ?? under the carpet? .... isn't this overflow ideas cool-off roomlet containment? .... no! it's Google's 1 day - work on whatever project you want ..they got 2 grey bins, for binaries, i guess ... is it public access, though?
- Petr Buben
What do you think of web-based research collaboration tools such as: 2Collab; MyNetResearch; Laboratree; MyExperiment; LabMeeting; and BIOCORE? Are they useful tools for internal and distance collaborations? What features would nake them more attractive?
Hi Jack! I wrote a longish post about this some time back. Blog post here:http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009... I now use Mendeley (http://bit.ly/181tmi) to collect and share papers. An RSS feed for new entries and a recommendation engine would make it a lot better for my purposes.
- Mr. Gunn
Thanks for your comment. The tools that I listed are not social tools although they have some of the same features. They are designed to facilitate collaborative research projects. They allow colaboration on grants and manuscripts, messaging, and organizing into groups and projects. Some incolude workflows, project management, and data analysis tools. The closest non-science analogy is...
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- Jack H. Pincus
IMO collaborative workspaces are very important. That said, I am not sure we've managed to create one that really works specifically on the scientific side any better than MindTouch or Sharepoint (which I loathe having had to use it)
- Deepak Singh
Deepak, what would make science collaborative workspaces more useful than MindTouch or Sharepoint?
- Jack H. Pincus
Ideally I like the idea of using existing platforms and building on top of those with plugins and services. A science native one would have to be very specific to some particular workflows and optimized for that. Not sure how you'd make any money on that though
- Deepak Singh
I guess that depends on whether a science-native collaboration platform is intended for public or private collaboration. You could make public collaboration free, and charge premium accounts for the ability to host private workspaces on the public service, or you could sell service and support for privately-deployed instances. There could be some interesting wrinkles depending on whether the platform supports public-public, public-private, or private-private federation between instances.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael, Mendeley has discussed doing exactly that. I think the form the private instances would take is that of a local install of the web component, so there would be no private-public issues there, as nothing would leave the local network.
- Mr. Gunn
The thing is, isolated behind-the-firewall deployments are not very interesting or useful (though they can certainly be very lucrative for vendors) except in the largest organizations. Think of it in this light: How useful (and used) would a corporate email system that only allowed messages between addresses within the corporate domain? Email succeeded because it was a *federated*...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
As far as I know, Ray Ozzie's Groove Networks was close to cracking that nut, but then got swallowed by Microsoft in 2005, never to be heard from again.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I see what you're getting at now. A sort of abstraction layer over multiple instances would indeed be cool. The people I've talked to who have expressed interest in this have been thinking much smaller (or more paranoid) than this - just a way to share things with other members of their particular research group. Everyone else seems comfortable with using it as a desktop client...
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- Mr. Gunn
The acid test is this: can I collaborate using this software as easily/effectively as if my collaborator was sitting next to me with a paper and pencil (and maybe laptop). Essentially the answer at the moment is..? I have never used the software you're talking about above. My experience is limited at the moment to blogs and wikis, which are both completely inadequate. Which would you rather use - the wiki method, or the" paper-pencil-coffee" method?
- Matthew Todd
It depends on what we're doing. If it's hashing out ideas and prototypes, paper&pencil works great. If it's asynchronous collecting of references or working out a protocol, then a tool that captures this and allows each person to easily see what the other person is doing is probably best. Mendeley http://bit.ly/181tmi does a pretty good job of collecting references and sharing them. The...
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- Mr. Gunn
I'm currently in the process of applying for a grant who will sponsor the development of a collaboration system for scientists: http://docs.google.com/Doc... Leave your input on that document and we might still be able to incorporate it into the grant application.
- Björn Brembs
@Björn does not have access to this document?
- Abhishek Tiwari
Also requested access (no worries if not appropriate).
- Neil Saunders
Mat what specifically do you find inadequate about blogs and wikis for open collaboration?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
JC - well, data entry is slow (anyone who blogs complains about how long it takes to do one entry), partly because to cross-link data/pages requires very careful curation, which scales monstrously with the volume of data. To collate pages and draw conclusions needs to be quick. Pages from a project need to be linked in a 3D web of relevance, i.e. rather than just links to similar pages,...
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- Matthew Todd
Very interesting random thoughts. We've talked a lot about how you can imagine using a massive touch screen with different elements laid out on it, dragging, dropping, connecting up. Unfortunately Microsoft don't seem to be read to just give us a "Surface" as yet. Can't think why not ;-)
- Cameron Neylon
Exactly, a surface or shape where posts/data/elements may be perceived and connected as simply as tracing a line between them. If I want to highlight a key concept on a whiteboard, I circle it several times. If I want to emphasise something to a colleague, I shout/repeat myself. Doing such things using a linear progression of wiki pages at the moment: very difficult to do it effectively in any decent timeframe, or in a way that rapidly engages passing readers.
- Matthew Todd
I'm sure Daniel will grant all of you access.
- Björn Brembs
Mat - you are right that you can't draw directly on the wiki using your tabletPC and if you are used to that on paper that is probably annoying. Maybe I'm just used to text but I find that I am able to express my points most of the time by leaving a bolded comment in the relevant place on the wiki page that serves as our lab notebook. For the type of work that we do it seems to work quite well.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Mr. Gunn, I just watched the Groove 2007 demo (somehow I missed that an MS-branded version had eventually been released). Looks reasonably similar to what Groove Networks had, except that certain features seem to have been shorn away as a sort of 'Sharepoint Tax', and of course it is very Office-centric now.
- Michael R. Bernstein
As for the need for an 'abstraction layer', that depends on what you mean. Do you consider a syndication feed aggregator (whether server-based like Google Reader, or desktop-based like FeedDemon) an 'abstraction layer' over the blogs you read? For that matter, do you consider FriendFeed itself to be an abstraction layer?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Incidentally, the small/paranoid approach is *totally* valid, the only question is how well these solutions support nested, intersecting, and disjoint groups. IOW, how does one use it when one is a member of more than one research group (perhaps with different roles in each)?
- Michael R. Bernstein
I started this discussion on April 28 and last looked at it when there were four comments (about five days ago). I checked the thread again this morning to find an active discussion. I guess the secret is to not watch the pot before it boils :-). Collaboration can range from a project beteen two labs "down the hall" from each other to large aboratory, multiorganizational collaborations. The Human Genome Project and SNP Consrtium are examples of the latter. (continued)
- Jack H. Pincus
Collaboration between companies or companies and universities is also becoming more prevalent, especially in the biotech and pharma industries. Lilly refers to its new business model as FIPNET (fully integrated pharmaceutical network). It may be possible to do small collaborations with existing tools. But larger collaborations may require a new type of virtual research environment.
- Jack H. Pincus
Michael, yes, I would, in the general sense of the word. Just wanted to make sure I understood what you meant when you were talking about federation.
- Mr. Gunn
It looks like there's two kinds of collaboration we're talking about here. Small group collaboration where all members are only part of that group is where online sharing of references and annotations works well enough. Larger, distributed collaboration requires the open, federated approach.
- Mr. Gunn
Yes, smaller collaborations may be in one location. Document management may also be important for small collaborations.
- Jack H. Pincus
I have requested access, too and thank you, Jack, for asking the question that generated this very edifying discussion.
- Hope Leman
Mr. Gunn, distributed collaboration requires an open federated approach even when it is *small*, otherwise the overhead of setting up a collaboration space of some sort overwhelms the benefit. Note that distributed collaboration in-the-small therefore always ends up happening via email, an existing ubiquitous federated system that does not require that same coordination overhead.
- Michael R. Bernstein
There are three dimensions here: Size of the group, distribution of participants among organizations, and - for lack of a better term - spontaneity. The three aren't entirely unrelated, for example the odds that all participants will belong to the same organization goes down as the number of participants increases, but they can be thought of as orthogonal for most purposes.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Similarly, spontaneity decreases with the size of the group (at least at the outset, small groups can grow into larger ones organically). It is unlikely that a large working group will spring into being on it's own without some large-scale negotiations and planning behind it, including setting up a collaboration space.
- Michael R. Bernstein
And yet, large-scale spontaneous collaboration *does* happen, when the infrastructure exists to support it. Case in point: Some Wikipedia articles which come together eliciting the contributions of thousands of participants in a very short period of time.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael, good points on spontaneous collaborations. There are also organized collaborations funded collaborations such as the NIH Clincial Translational Sciences program or established multiorganizational research projects, intercorporate collaborations, or collaborations between corporations and universities. Are there different issues/parameters for these?
- Jack H. Pincus
Perhaps we should distinguish between spontaneous collaboration (which can happen within an already organized system/organization, as it does within Wikipedia) and spontaneous organization, ie. ad-hoc group forming, for purposes of collaboration. There are slightly different thresholds to cross in either case. Note that the main advantage of a federated approach is *radically* lowering...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
An example of an effective platform was used in this topic: Google Docs. It allows multiple collaborators to edit a document through a graphical user interface. Concepts through text, and support for presentations and spreadsheets is improving. Access can be controlled, or published to allow collaboration, with compatible machine readable file formats to provide federation.
- Mike Chelen
"It has changed the way I consume and share content, and the coolest thing is that Feedly supports the SUP methodology that FriendFeed uses, so that things that you react to on Feedly are immediately posted to your FriendFeed page. You can even “like” and comment right from the application and see the conversations around the posts back on FriendFeed."
- Jorge Escobar
from Bookmarklet
I first became addicted to feedly then I discovered friendfeed. It's a great together, love the way when surfing the web you can see whether a certain page has been discussed or is being discussed on ff.
- Jacob
Jorge, I think Feedly is fantastic. I would absolutely use it if it ran native in Safari. Also, as I like to be "first" to stories, I still tend to use the Google Reader interface and power through. So I am a Feedly fan even if I don't use it every day.
- Louis Gray
I agree, too :) I have not used GReader since I discovered feedly.
- Roberto Bonini
Feedly also helps me to know what to share, as it tells me if a blog post or news article is already being shared by others. At that point I can just 'like' it, instead of cluttering FriendFeed with more repetitive stuff. Love it!
- Jorge Escobar
Thanks Jorge. We are indeed very big Friendfeed fans. More integration points soon.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Feedly was the magic bullet that convinced me to switch back from Safari. I really miss Safari's speed, but I can't live without Feedly.
- cecily
Come to think of it, Firefox should invest in them (at least) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
For those of you interested in Chrome and Safari support, please send me an email to edwink@devhd.com and I will see if we can give you early access to something we are working on (Louis you are already on the list)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I like Feedly. It doesn't make me feel bad for not powering through all my GReader posts. It feels more natural somehow: like reading the paper instead of, er, a bunch of RSS feeds.
- David Young
If one is using FriendFeed as one's primary Feed aggregator/filter/reader, is Feedly still necessary?
- Alex Schleber
@Alex I think there is a different need for both. Consuming RSS feeds via a reader is something that some people prefer. I certainly tried to use FF as my reader, but there was something missing.
- Jorge Escobar
I use an love Feedly, I have tried to use FF as my feed aggregator but I agree with Jorge Escobar, there is something missing, maybe its the ability to save for later or the layout, but what ever it is I keep going back to Feedly.
- Kim Landwehr
When you share to FF using feedly, is there a way to make it show the picture?
- Alix Whitmire
any images on the post you share will be post in FriendFeed automatically
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Hmm, I tried that and it didn't work.
- Alix Whitmire
Hi Alix, if you post the description of the problem you are seeing at getsatisfaction/feedly, we can try to help you troubleshoot it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
works for me... maybe the image on the post you are sharing is not standard
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Sorry...did not see the previous post about what was not working... Yes. to share a picture, before you click on the friendfeed share, ALT+click on the image you want to share. This will create an annotation using that image. Then click on the friendfeed share icon. Similarly, you can highlight snippets of texts and click on annotation in the popup menu. (We are working on making this a little more intuitive)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I used Google Reader but never cared for it. Then I found Feedly and I love it! Thanks Edwin, I did not know myself how to share a picture in a story.
- Bonnie Foster
I love feedly, and the only reason I still open Firefox is to use it. I can't wait until they have an addon for Chrome!
- Michael Fidler
When I used to use Firefox, Feedly was essential. Now I use Safari so no more Feedly for me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
After installed, my GMarks stop working. I had to uninstall it. :(
- Burçak Çubukçu
Burçak Çubukçu: you are correct. There are incompatibilities with gmarks.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That's some good news Edwin. now I feel more compelled to use FF (Firefox not friendfeed) quote: "Then click on the friendfeed share icon. Similarly, you can highlight snippets of texts and click on annotation in the popup menu. (We are working on making this a little more intuitive)"
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
at this point yes, Rasheen. Chrome version is under development, though.
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Somehow feedly isn't reading my Google Alerts feeds correctly from the latest tabs. How can I fix that?
- Amani
LOVING feedly. But how does it decide which FF conversation to link to when it says "join the conversation." Also, is there a way to share on FF from the feedly mini thing?
- Ted Roden
Jorge, thanks for highlighting this wonderful Feedly feature. I tried using it and gave it up, and now realize that I didn't really use the Friendfeed integration at all. Sigh! (Back to installing Feedly)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Edwin, any reason why my saved items page never loads anymore? Its been like this for about 3 days now.
- Amani
"Via web application software, data citation standards, and statistical methods, the Dataverse Network project increases scholarly recognition and distributed control for authors, journals, archives, teachers, and others who produce or organize data; facilitates data access and analysis for researchers and students; and ensures long-term preservation whether or not the data are in the public domain."
- Bill Hooker
from Bookmarklet
More of a checksum though (just thinking lots of very nig data sets coming)? And wouldn't it be better to piggyback on a DOI at least (e.g., http://DOI_stem/your_extension)?
- Chris
from twhirl
Regarding DOIs: any connection here to the STD-DOI project for archiving primary datasets and assigning DOIs to them to make them citable? Example dataset citation: Kamm,H; Machon, L; Donner, S (2004): Gas Chromatography (KTB Field Lab), GFZ Potsdam. doi:10.1594/GFZ/ICDP/KTB/ktb-geoch-gaschr-p (from http://www.std-doi.de)
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Absolutely I'm campaiging for it myself (not this specifically though I was very pleased to stumble on it) -- just gave this (http://tinyurl.com/nvyb57) talk at ISMB on Thursday (just the last couple of slides are the relevant ones). So I'm all for it and liked the mention of standards, just that DOIs are so close to being widely-enough used already that it seems a shame not to build on that.
- Chris
from twhirl
Meeting peopl efrom the British Library on Monday to talk about this very kind of thing and amongst the (MI) standards people and at www.rin.ac.uk we've been talking about it quite a bit -- the principle more than the exact mechanism, which for easy-bridging reasons seems to make sense as a kind of vestigial journal as a vehicle...
- Chris
from twhirl
@ Mummi, good lord that's rather interesting isn't it -- no relation to me at all no. The BL group I'm meeting also have a guy that's a big DOI advocate and his talk mentions some kind of euro registry? http://tinyurl.com/mkuhvq slides 6+ (DOIs) and 12+ (JRA)
- Chris
from twhirl
@ Mummi again btw the timeline and a little mistake (multi-threading mayhem) made my post immediately after yours a little odd-sounding. As I later said I've nothing to do with the German project I was speaking in another context.
- Chris
from twhirl
@Chris, sorry my bad, I was being unclear which didn't help! I meant to say earlier whether there was any relation between the Dataverse thing and the German (based/funded..?) international TIB project.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
@Chris Thanks for the PDF, very helpful to know about this JRA initiative which I don't know yet if is an extension/expansion of the TIB thing, or modelled after it. Will read property around this in PDF + elsewhere ! BTW I'm tangentially interested in this topic, from the perspective of genome-wide association study datasets and ways to archive them and cite them.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Okay. I'll try to give a bit more info about the JRA thing once I have it. Incidentally, on association studies (QTLs too?) I ought to mention one of the projects we have registered at MIBBI for reporting QTLs and association studies: http://mibbi.org/index...
- Chris
from twhirl