With Paul's departure from Facebook today (November 12, 2010), I've heard several FFers talk about who's still at Facebook. I've seen various different numbers, none of which I think are accurate. This is my attempt to be more accurate. Information comes from publicly available sources where available. I drew on the list of FF employees from http://friendfeed.com/about... and http://blog.friendfeed.com/.
- Stephen Mack
Overall status as of November 2010: Of the 14 people who were ever FriendFeed employees, 8 are still at Facebook (Ana Y., Ben G., Bret T., Casey M., Dan H., Jim N., Sanjeev S., and Tudor B), 5 have departed from Facebook (Ben D., Gary B., Kevin F., Paul B., Ross M.), and 1 is unknown (Goutham P.).
- Stephen Mack
I will update the above if I hear news.
- Stephen Mack
Technically my first day at Mozilla isn't until Monday. :-)
- Kevin Fox
I will also remove this if any FF employees think it's too creepy. :)
- Stephen Mack
Overall status as of May 2012: Of the 14 people who were ever FriendFeed employees, 7 are still at Facebook (Ana Y., Ben G., Bret T., Casey M., Dan H., Sanjeev S., and Tudor B), 6 have departed from Facebook (Ben D., Gary B., Jim N., Kevin F., Paul B., Ross M.), and 1 is unknown (Goutham P.).
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, Goutham worked at RockYou for a bit in 2010 and now works for Google. Also, how have I not seen this thread before?! I remember you taking that picture at Kitchen Table - fun times :)
- Ross Miller
now this is creepy.. some1 is stalking all the former employees of FF :)-
- Peter Dawson
Stephen, also Goutham was a summer intern the year before the Facebook buy. He did not transfer to Facebook. Ross did you transfer to Facebook, I can't remember.
- Rachel Lea Fox
oh and I think Ben D. has left AOL. But I can't confirm that, I just seem to remember something about that. *shrug*
- Rachel Lea Fox
Anne, AeroFS looks cool! Congrats Jim!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Overall status as of May 22, 2012: Of the 12 people who were ever FriendFeed employees plus 2 interns, 6 are still at Facebook (Ana Y., Ben G., Bret T., Casey M., Sanjeev S., and Tudor B), 6 have departed from Facebook (Ben D., Dan H., Gary B., Jim N., Kevin F., Paul B.), and 2 were interns who never went to Facebook (Ross M., Goutham P.).
- Stephen Mack
It's been 2.5 years since Facebook acquired Friendfeed. Let's raise a glass for a moment and give thanks that the service is still running. I can't think of another acquired service that has continued on so well in a mothballed state.
I am still in awe at how well FriendFeed was designed and implemented. Even mothballed, it remains light years ahead of the rest. Well done, Ana, Ben, Ben, Bret, Casey, Dan, Gary, Goutham, Jim, Kevin, Paul, Ross, Sanjeev and Tudor!
- Stephen Mack
Yup. Even with little maintenance, it's still a better tool than anything else out there. Yet people keep going to whatever the "new black" is...
- Spidra Webster
The FriendFeed team are like prophets of social networking interfaces or something and don't seem to get credit for it. It's amazing how all the hot new ish is still borrowing from FriendFeed and FriendFeed's illegitimate children.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Love it, Akiva! "We've switched off the datacenters one by one and FF is still running. *shrug* So be it."
- Kevin Fox
I really wish I'd trusted those folks who speculated that things would keep cranking along... I'd actually have suggested FF as a platform for a couple different online communities. You suppose we're at a steady state at this point?
- Ken Sheppardson
He sometimes wakes up from a deep sleep with the word 'FriendFeed' on his lips. He's usually covered in sweat. Don't ask me how I know this.
- Akiva
I'm one of the folks who speculated that things would keep cranking along. But I also thought Facebook would succeed in bringing a near-FriendFeed experience to Facebook in two years. I was wrong about that. Today I'm concerned that the original team doesn't use it as much -- Paul comes in and Likes things (April's gone), Bret is barely here. I think it would be easy for FB to let it go. But I'm thankful it's lasted this long.
- Bruce Lewis
Would be pretty killer if they got around to open sourcing the whole thing.
- Ken Sheppardson
Akiva: No, Tornado's just part of the system. I want to install a turn-key, behind the firewall FriendFeed system in much the same way I'd install Wordpress or Drupal.
- Ken Sheppardson
FF like service for companies? Groups for projects and depts...
- Me
Yep. I'd kill to have FriendFeed in place of IRC, Campfire, Yammer, etc... Although come to think of it, Yammer might be the closest.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yammer doesn't look like its self-hostable which I know many enterprises would prefer to control and "own" the data.
- Me
Ha-ha, Micah, Mothball is a great name for some kind of cloud storage! As far as FF NOT being mothballed, it may have something to do with Bret having a soft spot for it and his being so high up in the Facebook hierarchy.
- Laura Norvig
I like to imagine the friendfeed servers being like WOPR from War Games 2. Sitting all alone in some remote location, completely forgotten, nobody has any idea what it really is, just chugging along.
- April
I just remember how excited I was when this tool started out. Now I essentially use the e-mail digests to see the latest posts, but haven't had the heart to discontinue them. The service definitely struck a chord with many of us.
- Phil Ashman
Facebook is down (in Europe, at least), but FriendFeed is up. :)
- Jemm
Facebook is up now, so is FriendFeed (reporting from Istanbul :)
- Nevzat
Ken, self-hosted FriendFeed would really interesting for companies. Yes, yammer works (we use it,) but isn't a *great* real-time conversation tool what one would really want? Add to that owning the data and it's a winner. Based on its performance in "mothballed" state, I'd hope the person $$ in administration would be low, too...
- Eric Borisch
Maybe we shouldn't have said anything. Seems flakey today. Maybe they're getting things cleaned up to release it as OSS! :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
"Progress happens when all the factors that make for it are ready, and then it is inevitable. To teach that a comparatively few men are responsible for the greatest forward steps of mankind is the worst sort of nonsense." -- Henry Ford
I once tried to explain to my kids size and capacity. They didn't get it. I grabbed a 250MB chip and compared that to a 16GB micro-SD. They didn't get it. After all, 250 is bigger than 16, so it made sense the chip was bigger. =)
- Anika
Give them 10 pennies for 1 quarter. ;)
- Amit Patel
The speed of sound is roughly one mile every five seconds. Why, then, during a thunderstorm, was I taught to count seconds between the lightning and the thunder to determine how many miles away the storm was? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
(Don't say it's the difference between the speed of light and the speed of sound, because the speed of light is basically instantaneous for storm distances.)
- Stephen Mack
from Bookmarklet
We were only taught to divide by three ;)
- Eivind
Divide by five is the way I learned it too. One mile every five seconds. Simple.
- Otto
Stephen, your version is less scary, as the storm seems further away (not that you have any conception of a 'mile' as a small child, but still...)
- Ken Gidley
Stephen, now have you ever used, or heard someone use, the word 'rancid'? Neither her or her fiance had even heard the term before.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
IIRC, speed of sound isn't actually a constant. it can vary slightly.
- The Silence
Joe, I think it is a constant, but the density of the medium of travel can influence the speed. And atmospheric conditions aren't constant. IIRC.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Surely the speed of sound is entirely dependent on the medium through which it travels, and thus not a constant? The speed of sound in a vacuum, for example, is approximately zero, whereas the speed of sound through salt water is over 1500metres/sec
- Slippy Lane
If you don't believe in metres, vacuum and salt water speeds are similar.
- Neal Krummell
Speed of sound in air at sea level in dry air at 68F is 1126 f/s. 5280 f/m. 4.69 seconds for sound to travel 1 mile. So dividing by 5 is a close enough approximation.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Yeah, there's actually a lot of detail about the speed of sound in various mediums if you click through to the wiki article. :)
- Stephen Mack
Neal, if you don't believe in metres, you can always multiply by 3.28. And don't tell me you don't believe in feet. You only have to look at the ends of your legs for evidence of their existence ;-)
- Slippy Lane
Jimminy, yes, Rancid's best song is "Ruby Soho."
- Stephen Mack
So bizarre I posted this on the first day to feature local thunder and lightning in at least 3 years...
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Shephen, I thought of you and counted to 20.
- Kevin Fox
I was taught to divide by 3 for miles. Then again, my mother always confused stuff.
- Anika
"Slippery slope is usually a bad property in a game. If a game has a powerful slippery slope effect, that means that when one player gets a small early lead, he is more likely to get an even bigger lead, which in turn makes him more likely still to get yet an even bigger lead, and so on. In a game like this, the real victor of the game is decided early on, and the rest of the game is futile to play out (or to watch)."
- Amit Patel
"This is a blog about my research on privacy and anonymity. The title refers to the fact that there are only 6.6 billion people in the world, so you only need 33 bits (more precisely, 32.6 bits) of information about a person to determine who they are. This fact has two related consequences. First, a lot of traditional thinking about anonymous data relied on the fact that you can hide in a crowd that’s too big to search through. That notion completely breaks down given today’s computing power: as long as the bad guy has enough information about his target, he can simply examine every possible entry in the database and select the best match."
- Amit Patel
from Bookmarklet
From 2002: "A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence. Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation."
- Tudor Bosman
from Bookmarklet
Andy Bakun voted up an answer. Slava Akhmechet, Founder at RethinkDB I think there are four independent factors that are easy to mistakenly conflate because they look treacherously similar from afar (distance being age here). First, most people tend to lose their natural curiosity as they age. The reasons for this are psychological – people start feeling the weight of life on their shoulders as they get older. Perhaps their professional aspirations were shattered, perhaps their spouse left them, perhaps they lost someone very close to them to a disease or an accident. For most people, shedding this weight is extremely difficult, and you're just not going to be hacking Haskell if you feel this weight on your shoulders. Picasso famously remarked how his biggest strength is maintaining a child's curiosity into old age – very few people can pull this off. The second aspect is that as people grow older they tend to recognize and appreciate the distinction between programming for a purpose,...
- Andy Bakun
"most people tend to lose their natural curiosity as they age" - if you lose your curiosity you never had it to begin with. Maybe if you've done something for 25 years it's simply time to try something new?
- Todd Hoff
I love programming but not software engineering. When I was 20 I didn't know about software engineering. I worked on very small projects. When I was 30 I was working on larger projects where it was largely about software engineering and not only programming. I'm slowly going back to simple programming and am enjoying it again.
- Amit Patel
Yah, it's probably more the corporate world than programming itself that wears you down.
- Todd Hoff
yes.. but why? what is better than grooveshark ?
- Ozgur Demir
I don't know, I never used grooveshark.
- Tudor Bosman
Does something have to better to be good?
- Kevin Fox
@kevin. nope, I've just wonder what's the big deal with Spotify.
- Ozgur Demir
My European friends have been raving about Spotify for some time. Now I get it -- it's great. Within 30 minutes I had starred for easy access dozens of my favorite songs. (And thanks, Louis Gray, for the Spotify invite.)
- Sean McBride
The Friendfeed bookmarketlet still beats the shit out this automated scan-the-URL-for-content-and-never-show-the-right-images-or-interesting-descriptions shit that both Google+ and Facebook use.
No, but I assume that since you mention it, it's pretty solid. The thing is, sites like Friendfeed and Tumblr want you to share things from around the internet, but Facebook and Google+ want you to spend time on their sites mainly, so it makes sense that their bookmarklets and random sharing functionality are subpar.
- Andy Bakun
At the MIT 150 symposium, Chomsky said that the notion of success used by statistical language models (namely, that they successfully predict the world and allow programs to accomplish tasks) was "very novel ... I don't know of anything like it in the history of science." This essay argues that it is not novel at all, but perfectly commonplace.
- Peter Norvig
"Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart." - http://news.stanford.edu/news...
It's hard to believe that talk happened six years ago. Passages from it so clearly memorable, i recognized it from the first six words.
- John Lam
from Android
i mean, there's many "Q&A" sites already, and when you do one in such a closed circle it seems more like self promotion than curated value
- Iphigenie
There is one very cool thing about Quora that probably will not last and that is that important people, mostly tech people, are answering random questions. CEO's, Founders, and real authorities posting detailed and informative answers. I'm not sure we would have seen anything like that without Quora's formula. Again, I don't think it'll last long :)
- Rahsheen the Dream
It's the "one ring to rule them all" thing... Or at least, that's how many people perceive it. And such perception comes not out of nothing. Hype typically has a deeper cause.
- Meryn Stol
it's quite hard to believe based on the answers that trickle out in feeds, but i guess it must vary widely and depend on your needs, interests and level
- Iphigenie
Well I can picture Quora as a kind of "black hole" for all knowledge. That's of course hype, but the fact that it brings up such a picture with me is telling. They're good.
- Meryn Stol
and hype rarely has a deeper cause - just look at what happened to 90% of the hyped things in the last 2 years. Most vanished. And many had a good idea and nice traction for a while.
- Iphigenie
Warlord, yes, but without any advertising spending.... MMMmm, strange. It's the fans that are defining the brand.
- Meryn Stol
it was certainly a beautifully executed launch, they pulled in their network.
- Iphigenie
When celebs gather in a club, it makes it cool. When the celebs leave, not so much. The quality of the club plays a little part in it's success
- Johnny
but it is mostly a PR wire platform, and as such could be a good one. What puzzles me is the speculation as to it replacing just about everything. Oh wait, we have read all of this before.
- Iphigenie
Yep, but the particular celebs we're talking about are very picky about the products they use. They see knew potential in Quora. If you'd use the interface for a while, you can recognize the same genius as found in FriendFeed. About the "worst", that could happen is that Quora indeed ends up as the next FriendFeed, and not the next Twitter so to say.
- Meryn Stol
Johnny makes a good point, though. Quora would be just another site if not for name brand people answering questions there. It also wouldn't have been so easy to hype if they couldn't name drop so much.
- Rahsheen the Dream
Meryn, i could go back 2 years and pull conversations we've had about a few products that the same celeb crowd endorsed, only to move to the next thing. several of which you might be a bit embarrassed to have waxed lyrical about. The Quora backers certainly have the pedigree to try to keep the digerati around a while, and there's not that much new and hot on the horizon yet. They could be just the next fad in the chain, or they could be lucky and be the last fad...
- Iphigenie
and it's still just the "social media, brand PR crowd" or did I miss some true luminaries that are on it?
- Iphigenie
Joelle, what products are you talking about specifically? I don't recall. The only two services for which I gave much thought to their respective adoption patterns have been FriendFeed and Twitter.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn, i'd have to dig and its too late for that, but the things we discussed about were neither FF (which we both agreed on) nor twitter but some of the come-and-gone stuff in between.
- Iphigenie
Joelle, I suppose you know "crossing the chasm". They are already further than FriendFeed ever has been. Not there yet, but it could. It could indeed end up as the next FriendFeed, with much potential gone to waste.
- Meryn Stol
Basically, one person of note answered and via the 'cool effect' some other notable persons started answering. It's like a cool little clique that developed. It's all fine and good to answer questions when it's small and insular but once this becomes a huge thing, CEOs and people working in commercially sensitive business will withdrawal.
- Johnny
It doesnt look that they are further than FF from the outside - not the critical mass, not the diversity? Back to Quora - does it have a great functional mix, neat features etc. that create some new way, like FF did (esp once they added virtual friends and non-personal aggregation -eg: groups FF enabled all sorts of new magic), or is it just the crowd?
- Iphigenie
Joelle, you should have an invite in your inbox. Look yourself. :) It's full of UI / organizational "magic". And yes, much diversity already. You can get deep insight on many topics, not just social media. Much more "substance" than I have ever seen on FriendFeed.
- Meryn Stol
I get such mixed message around it, it's interesting - from people who used it and are already bored, especially if they are less "impressed" by the celebrities. I guess it's the perennial difference between the people who make things happen and the people who write about things that happen, could happen, should happen, and the people who write about the people who write... Different...
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- Iphigenie
They don't allow "pen names" so I'm annoyed with them but when I asked a question about self publishing it went unanswered so its not useful in my 'area of need' perhaps a Tech start up VC need would be served. #ymmv
- WarLord
There are *always* people who don't get a new tool. And sometimes a tool doesn't even make sense for a particular individual. Not everyone needs to blog. That doesn't make blogging a fad. Same goes up for Twitter.
- Meryn Stol
Mixed messages simply are to be expected. But you should deal with that. That's part of critical analysis of trends. But then, I may be more into that kind of research than you. Much more time on my hands as well. :)
- Meryn Stol
it's about attention, just like everything else. I'm always torn between popular and useful - it's the same thing when investing, do you invest in what will make a not-much-innovation product that will be bought, or something more ambitious - depends how you see investment and money (a way to enable things or a way to keep score etc.). Same thing goes for time and attention
- Iphigenie
Let's just say that if you find me at least somewhat credible, use my signal. Quora is worth your attention if you want to have some idea about the future of social media. FriendFeed has been worth it for me *even* if it failed to cross the chasm. Heck, I wouldn't mind ending up with a small but dedicated group on Quora. Would be a geek paradise (because of the focus on "substance").
- Meryn Stol
so, to go on with my attention theories - popularity versus usefulness/impact. People on quora get attention, many like it because it gives them a chance to get them the attention of celebrities and/or influencers, and that is a reward. Now is it useful, and is the discussion, exchange and information valuable beyond the attention? (obviously if you are trying to get attention for your...
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- Iphigenie
Try it! The quality of answers is insane. Just as good as Stack Overflow, but then much broader. Their lead designer (a woman - must be to your liking) follows a paradigm called "design for participation". They're GOOD.
- Meryn Stol
This thread amuses me. I have heard about these quality answers, and seen a few. I've also seen things at the level of YouTube and yahoo answers. So, YMMV.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
I will - the quality of answers that trickle out on feeds (as in "my quora answer to..." sent by quora to other sites) was pretty mundane, of the "surely one can do better just by looking on wikipedia" kind.
- Iphigenie
Laura, you must give it a fair chance. Not every niche is represented yet. Non-profit practically non-existent. Amy Sample Ward even asked why this might be. Very interesting thread, IMO. I responded too.
- Meryn Stol
why it might be? it's invitation only, and one wouldnt want people whose perspective might alienate the billionaires? (ok, devils advocate here)
- Iphigenie
But Joelle, keep one thing in mind: You can find confirmation for *any* belief. Certainly in highly ambiguous circumstances. Heck, people still find confirmation for a climate hoax, or a round-world hoax, or a 9/11 conspiracy, or the non-existence of the holocaust.
- Meryn Stol
I'll try, Meryn. It may be because nptech-ers have some fairly established channels and don't want/need another right now. BTW, will you be at NTC? If so, we must meetup!
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
NTC? I don't even know what that stands for. :) I'm not really part of the non-profit world. I'm just well-read. My most significant (and only) tie is that I have volunteered a bit for Ushahidi, but that's all. Oh and I'm talking to you on FriendFeed. My second tie. :P
- Meryn Stol
Laura, you should answer Amy Sample Ward on Quora. :) Do you want the link?
- Meryn Stol
Ah, my mistake. I thought Ushahidi was your main gig. NTC = Nonprofit Technology Conference.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
Ushahidi would have been my gig for sure if I wouldn't have felt a higher calling. They're way up high in my book. Seeing our paths cross again sometime would be extremely meaningful to me.
- Meryn Stol
Sure, send me the link. I'm not sure if I have a Quora account or not - can't remember. Is it really invite only? Yet anyone can view threads, right?
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
You don't seem to be on Quora (autocomplete brings up nothing). Pass me your email through dm, then I'll send you an invite.
- Meryn Stol
no worries, i got the invite - don't have the time to dig in just yet
- Iphigenie
ok signed up and my first reaction is "how self referential and boring" - small questions about a very narrow field, and most of it about media and opinion, not thought, not analysis, no references or substanciation. How did X do Y in (social media history event)? and what do people think of Z? are the main questions.
- Iphigenie
i mean, asking what is good about a product and service, and the the people who own/run the product give you the same blurb that is on their normal site... nice, but useless. And it seems 50% of questions are about facebook and its internal pecking order. My first question: how do i tell the system i want to NOT see specific topics? Then the good stuff might emerge
- Iphigenie
but so far feels a lot like linkedin questions or the ones in ecademy, with more posturing. Will dig, but it is another one of these things that seems to expect people to spend a lot of time putting into it.
- Iphigenie
It has some of the appeal that Twitter, Friendfeed, and Buzz all did when they first started: the elite digerati are there and they are engaging. And I don't mean just social media folks, but engineers, scientists, startup CEOs, etc. ... But i doubt this will last.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
When I first joined Friendfeed, I would engage in threads where I got to converse with Leo LaPorte or Robert Scoble. I don't even think I knew who they were, but I soon found out, and it was kind of neat to realize, "huh, they are somebody, and I was just shooting the shit with them."
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
But I guess these comments are partly validating your point, Joelle. It's a bit "me too" but it's also smart people having thoughtful dialogues.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
yes - but laporte and scoble are just journalists - they write about people who actually make things happen, or even about what other people say or write about people who actually make things happen. They have more access, but not that many more insights. I'd rather filter them and see the people who do or did make things happen. They might not be as good at writing things for the...
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- Iphigenie
Joelle, you're right that there's an expectation to put time in it. I think it won't be the most effective tool for "selfish" goals. I think it can be best be compared to Wikipedia and the Open Directory Project (I've been a very active editor there), but with better "participation architecture" and better UI. But then, just like with Wikipedia, a single edit can work too. You just won't get a big kick out of that. It gets more interesting as you invest more time. Then you start to feel (co) "ownership".
- Meryn Stol
I think that if you don't want to see stuff from "the usual suspects", but still want to be somewhat plugged into interesting discussion, you would do best by subscribing to smart folks, and not subscribe to topics, or at least not broad topics. Subscribe based on insightful answers you see. You can also subscribe to very narrow topics, or those with an academic bend. But I bet you can find better answers to your question on Quora. Otherwise, ask. :)
- Meryn Stol
You know what I really like about friendfeed (and similar spaces)? It has connected me to people that I wouldn't have ordinarily met. It has connected me to parts of the world that I would not have otherwise seen. It has given me a voice where I didn't have one. It has allowed me to explore existences that I would otherwise not have experiences.
It has allowed me to learn things that I wouldn't even have otherwise thought about. It has shown me that there is more to this universe than my small little space in it. It has connected me to all of you and for that I am thankful.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Insofar as I have ever squashed speech or lamented the fact that people discuss views or ideas that I do not like or don't believe in, I am sorry for that, because I have come to realize that those actions were very damaging to this community and to the greater world.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
thanks for not deleting your account after you connected to everyone.
- Mike Nencetti
I want people to continue to post about their tragedies and their triumphs, the cars that I will never drive, the conditions of living that I will never experience, the animals that I will never get to see otherwise, the experiences that I will never have. It is only through this level of discourse that I will ever know anything outside of my cocoon.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I wouldn't do this for just anyone, but for Glen I'm posting a topless pic.
- Bruce Lewis
And yes, I realize that this is how I use friendfeed and how you use friendfeed is entirely up to you, but we need to respect how we all use the service and how we all view the world, even if it doesn't make sense to us or seems wrong. Without mutual respect there can be no mutual understanding, in my opinion.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And with all the social media spaces now available, this is still the one where I read and see things I wouldn't have ever picked up. Otherwise, I'm with Glen in 3D. Boobies are nice.
- Ciaoenrico
I like getting to interact with people on friendfeed/Buzz/etc who I'll probably never meet in person. Even from those whom I don't agree with, I still gain something from listening to their reasons.
- DGentry
"If you want to live your life in a creative way, as an artist, you have to not look back too much. You have to be willing to take whatever you've done and whoever you were and throw them away." - http://www.playboy.co.uk/print...
"Playboy: One of the experts in the field says that for this industry to really flourish, and for it to benefit the consumer, one standard has to prevail. Jobs: That's simply untrue. Insisting that we need one standard now is like saying that they needed one standard for automobiles in 1920."
- Simon
"The minute you have the means to take responsibility for your own dreams and can be held accountable for whether they come true or not, life is a lot tougher. It's easy to have wonderful thoughts when the chance to implement them is remote. When you've gotten to a place where you at least have a chance of implementing your ideas, there's a lot more responsibility in that."
- Paul Buchheit
"we discovered that, at least as of a few years ago, every tactical nuclear weapon in Europe manned by U.S. personnel was targeted by an Apple II computer. Now, we didn't sell computers to the military; they went out and bought them at a dealer's, I guess. But it didn't make us feel good to know that our computers were being used to target nuclear weapons in Europe. The only bright side...
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- Simon
To find a way to actually go out and create that masterpiece it takes more than ability and talent. It takes time and money. Its when this power is given to the artist, the magic begins to manifest. Damn these days. damn em to hell. Things need to change, so much can happen on the basis of a single idea. Its like that wise man said, Plans are worthless, but planning is essential. There...
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- Keith
Don't insult Nikon. With Apple, you can't even swap batteries or buy a new one even if you wanted to.
- Piaw Na
Not true. Until digital cameras came around, Nikon's were preferred by professionals because (among other reasons), you could always use standard, off-the-shelf batteries (usually AA). Those batteries, sadly, do not deliver sufficient power to drive the electronics in the modern high-speed digital cameras.
- Glen, on vacation
I'm still using Nikon digital cameras that take AA batteries. I'm never out of batteries for food photos.
- Morton Fox
"It’s taking something everyone knows on the web (your email address) and making it immensely more valuable as a way to identify yourself and information about you. Exactly what kind of information? Here are some of the ideas from the WebFinger Google Code page: * public profile data * pointer to identity provider (e.g. OpenID server) * a public key * other services used by that email address (e.g. Flickr, Picasa, Smugmug, Twitter, Facebook, and usernames for each) * a URL to an avatar * profile data (nickname, full name, etc) * whether the email address is also a JID, or explicitly declare that it’s NOT an email, and ONLY a JID, or any combination to disambiguate all the addresses that look like something@somewhere.com * or even a public declaration that the email address doesn’t have public metadata, but has a pointer to an endpoint that, provided authentication, will tell you some protected metadata, depending on who you authenticate as."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I don't want my contact information to be my identifier. I shouldn't have to give a website my email address, just like I shouldn't have to give a store my phone number.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel, I think it just takes the form of an email address, but does not in fact have to be one (or could be a "throw away" account).
- Paul Buchheit
It would be cool if we could get our act together (as an industry) and make this stuff happen. I'd also like to see ENUM deployed to the point that my phone number can be linked to my identity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Joe Beda
This is a bad idea in so many ways I can't even begin to list them.
- April
If a site wants my email address, it's probably in order to spam me. It's usually a bad sign. If legit sites ask for my email more, it will make it harder to identify the spammers.
- Tim Tyler
Do gmail users seriously still have problems with spam? I don't.
- Robin Barooah
Personally this sounds great - as long as it really doesn't force you to use your actual gmail address.
- Robin Barooah
Does this mean I can have a .plan again?
- Benjamin Lee
Sounds like the .plan which is (again) accessed via an id in email format and returns different information/metadata about a person depending on who's accessing it. Email id is used to do a DNS lookup in order to discover URL for the XRD file (accessed with a HTTP GET) containing the metadata about the person being, er, WebFinger-ed.
- Nenad Nikolic
it is like user authenticating, having two three ids won't hurt ;) well i don't want to be identified, they are going same as gravatar
- testbeta
It's so curious to me that people have concerns that WebFinger would lead to more spam, and yet don't like the "format" of URLs for IDs. Personally, as far as OpenID is concerned, I don't care what the identifier looks like as long as people can remember it — typically email seems easier to recall than URLs (for most people in today's world).
- Chris Messina
Some users who have an email account with Google, myself included, have oodles of incoming mail both standard and secure so it fits the bill to increase security for both vendors and marketers.
- frank burns
I have no problem with the idea, but it seems to me that it won't help the current state of affairs much. The kind of information I'd be interested in sharing via Webfinger (my OpenID, a URL to a FOAF file, etc.) will have no better adoption, so the Webfinger configuration doesn't buy me much. I'll hold out hopes that after a couple tight integrations between Webfinger and OpenID providers (say if Google, Microsoft and/or Yahoo provided and consumed both) things will improve ... here's to hoping :(
- J. McConnell
Years ago I experimented with FOAF. I didn't fully understand nor appreciate what I was doing. To serve as a warning, if you take this example, ensure that it is blocked. #Example: I sent a file to Adobe which in turn, was sent to another email account I had at the time. I verified it's sender (ME) and sent it back in the direction of travel. A signed FOAF (API KEY) was then returned...
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- frank burns