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My friend @lkilpatrick is looking for a corporate host in Silicon Valley/SF for the Palm Pre developer camp. Great opportunity!
Adam Glickman, Lisa Brewster, Garin Kilpatrick and Luke Kilpatrick liked this
Anyone who can help? Luke hangs out here.
- Robert Scoble
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Looking for both sponsors and space for about 120 people. More info can be found about it here http://sanfrancisco.predevcamp.org/
- Luke Kilpatrick
They host this kind of thing at the Foothill College in Los Altos Hills sometimes
- RobinDotNet
They are hosting Code Camp there on 10/3-10/4. Dont' know how much (if any) they charge.
- RobinDotNet
I really am trying to get a place in the city, rather than down the peninsula. The organizers are pretty clear they want it in SF, but I will take what I can find.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Haha. There's a Microsoft office on Powell next to the SF Centre. They host the SF .Net meetings, but I'm not thinking they'd be so open-minded to host a Palm Pre developer camp -- it doesn't run Windows Mobile, does it?
- RobinDotNet
Ok, so it runs the Palm Web OS. So much for the MSFT office. I probably should have known that, but I've been sitting in this chair for 16 hours trying to push something for our next release and I'm hitting the end of my tether. Hope you find somewhere that works for you!
- RobinDotNet
Hey it happends, I am going to the palm meetup tomorrow going to ask pivotal labs ask they have built a number if pre apps. Maybe I should give adobe a try as the pre will have flash and the make the best design tool for it (fireworks best design tool for any screen) any other companies in the soma or that area that might be willing to host?
- Luke Kilpatrick
I can offer a 2600 sq. ft. gallery space on the border of the Mission and Potrero Hill here in SF (http://www.goforaloop.com/). Definitely not corporate but a unique spot with easy access to BART and US-101.
- Andrew Sotzing
Andrew that sounds excellent!
- Luke Kilpatrick
Andrew please give me a call when you get a moment - 650-745-5302 sounds like a great place to hold it.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Another location suggestion: http://delanceystreetfoundation.org/entersc...
- James Park
Yet another location: http://www.parisoma.com/
- James Park
Thank you everyone for your suggestions, Palm has agreed to hold it at their HQ in Sunnyvale. Join us at http://sanfrancisco.predevcamp.org/ August 8th, 11am, 2009
- Luke Kilpatrick
Jauder Ho / Palm Pre - First Impressions and Notes
Mohamed Imran Ali, jismi, anne and 39 other people liked this
All phones were spoken for by 8:10am or so. They are putting people on waitlists and will call as phones become available.
- jho
Touchstones are in *very* short supply. The 5 in stock were snapped up right away. Other available accessories include a car charger and holster.
- jho
Poll of the crowd seems to indicate mostly Sprint customers and not a lot of iPhone switchers.
- jho
Registering the phone is taking quite a while as the systems are bogged down. The store is adequately staffed just not enough inventory or fast signup. Palm representative on hand to speak with customers.
- jho
First impression of the phone is that it is much smaller than the 700p even though it is not that much shorter minus the antenna. Battery seems a lot more compact and not clear how it compares with older Treos. Will be getting an extended battery if it becomes available. Battery door is delicate but impressively moulded. Phone was 50% charged when unpacked but went to 100% in a short period after charging.
- jho
Tip: Slide the phone out before trying to remove the door. There's a little bit more room to maneuver. The Micro USB door is not easy to get off and will probably end up being broken on many phones.
- jho
The box itself has a new car-ish leather smell. Bundled accessories are charger and earphones. The phone itself fits very nicely in hand.
- jho
Phone does not flex when in the open position. The indenting to open the phone one handed still needs work. The edges are quite sharp and probably should be buffed down to a duller edge. Dremel or sandpaper?
- jho
Palm Profile is required. No opting out and hence you need to provide a valid email for the Pre to work.
- jho
Initial signup and provision went smoothly. The introductory video tutorial will play with no way to skip. Next, some additional technical details.
- jho
Running Steve Souder's UA Profiler returns a score of 6/11. User Agent string is "Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.27.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/525.27.1 Pre/1.0" which indicates building off of the Safari 3.x code base. So if Palm updates to use the Nitro engine, there could be a nice speed boost.
- jho
Downloading is fairly fast. www.dslreports.com/mspeed 1MB test shows 462kbit/s and 0.308s latency.
- jho
www.cloudfour.com/mobile test shows 1 connection but the browser does seem to support gzip compression. See detection code at http://www.cloudfour.com/mobile...
- jho
There is Java 1.5 under the hood. Not sure why 1.6 is not used.
- jho
Tip: Clean up your Google Contacts BEFORE adding to the Pre. Unfortunately, the Pre imports All Contacts instead of My Contacts from Google which results in a mess of contacts showing up in your addressbook such as temporary Craigslist addresses. There has been a bug report filed with Palm but this needs to be surfaced to them as a major bug. Contact cleanup also means less to download. OTOH, I am told that the iPhone suffers from this too. Can someone verify?
- jho
By adding Gmail, the Pre will automatically download contacts from Google Contacts and meetings from Google Calendar. There does not seem to be a way to only import say just Gmail.
- jho
Wi-fi works seamlessly. Was able to pair using WPA with zero issues.
- jho
Device Info shows. Palm webOS 1.0.1 / Sprint 1.4. ##786 trick still works. PRL version is 60652. Some additional variables compared to 700p.
- jho
Trying to nmap the device does not show anything right now but will retry later.
- jho
Tip: Go to Screen & Lock and dial the brightness down to save battery as well as the dim interval (set to 30 seconds).
- jho
Sound on videos still play when set to vibrate mode.
- jho
webOS 1.0.2 is available at 67MB. Downloading over wifi now. No release notes available. Update estimated to take 10mins.
- jho
Voicemail icon will show you how many voicemails you have but alas no visual voicemail. Hopefully, someone will develop a Google Voice app.
- jho
While the update is installing, Sprint MiFi is available in stores although quantities are limited. If you buy a broadband card at the same time as your Pre, Sprint will take another $50 off. So for a MiFi which after rebates retails for $99 will sell for $49 + 2 year plan. Everything Plus + Broadband is $149/month. Just something to consider. Existing exotic pre-Pre unlimited plan for $90/mth did not port over to the Pre so now on the Everything plan.
- jho
Update finished without issue. Did experience a web browser crash soon after. Reboot seems to take a while. Area of improvement for Palm.
- jho
Phone does get visibly hotter under use. Particularly after playing videos or music.
- jho
Not verified but the keyboard may not be backlit. If so, this is going to be a problem/pain in low light situations.
- jho
Also, the App Catalog seems to have been hacked. It appears that the reviews section of an app allows arbitrary HTML. When trying to read an app review, a browser session was launched pointing at http://www.palmpre.org/importa...
- jho
As a side note, the Google Contacts interface is hard to use when there are a couple of thousand entries.
- jho
It appears that speed dial is missing from the phone app. Strange feature to have left out. Hopefully, this will come in an update soon.
- jho
Hurray, the keyboard is backlit, albeit a little dim.
- jho
Bluetooth works fine with Jawbone (first gen) and in car BT. No issues.
- jho
Supported Bluetooth profiles: PAN, A2DP, HFP/HSP, PBAP, AVRCP. Mac addresses for wifi and Bluetooth show Palm as the vendor.
- jho
nmap over wifi shows only port 113 closed.
- jho
Developer SDK ROM is available to be installed over consumer ROM to provide debug support. Might be a way to get ssh access. Not trying for now.
- jho
Tip: Google Contacts cleanup ahead of time really helps. Also, try to do the initial sync over wifi. Discovered an erroneous contact after first sync; corrected in Google Contacts and resynchronized to have it magically fixed on the Pre. So it looks like sync is doing "the right thing". Have not tested to see if contacts updated in Pre will update in the other direction.
- jho
Someone brave has already taken the Pre apart. $170 worth, apparently. http://apt.jauderho.com/post...
- jho
Email app does not allow for reply as recipient email.
- jho
Tip: (thanks to @adora) For speed dial, go to Contacts > find person, Menu > Add to speed dial. Very unintuitive and should have been a hold down on the phone number for xx seconds and prompt or something like that. In some ways, the UX on the 700p was better.
- jho
BUG: Rotating cards does not always work (needs hard twist) and sometimes renders with the wrong zoom level (easily corrected).
- jho
BUG: Keypad based nav does not work on mobile sites. I.e typing 0 on m.twitter.com has no effect.
- jho
Confirmed. Updating number on Pre does not update Google Contacts. Bug?
- jho
BUG: Unable to remove AIM account after adding it to Messaging app. Also, a surprise to see AIM contacts added to Contacts. Correction: Unable to remove AIM while signed on. Not clear on the use case of what happens when you have AIM, FB imported with AIM contacts and then remove AIM. Do the FB contacts with AIM accounts get deleted too?
- jho
Battery door is hard to take off. Was afraid I would break the tabs. See this vid (@1:15) on the way to take the door off. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- jho
Cut & paste is a little awkward IMO but happy to have that feature.
- jho
Tip: (thanks to @adora) How to figure out your Pre's build date. http://bit.ly/15FkW2
- jho
Per @Marc_Wilson, Google Contacts sync with Pre is bidirectional. Can anyone else confirm?
- jho
All this use completely drained the battery. While charging, it shows a big charging symbol which does not seem to go away. This should minimize or turn off to prevent screen burn in.
- jho
Phone hung while charging. Needed to reset by pulling the battery. There does not seem to be a reset button.
- jho
Some followup thoughts a week later...
- jho
Battery life seems to have taken a huge dive midweek. It appears that the battery contacts are loose which was leading the phone to only charge sometimes.
- jho
Dropping the phone accidentally seems to have fixed this. Obviously, this is not a recommended move.
- jho
Current settings that seem to have resulted in okay battery life although I will probably be getting a Seidio extended battery at some point.
- jho
Wifi: Off.
- jho
Bluetooth: Off.
- jho
GPS: On. Geotag: On. Auto Locate: On. Background Data Collection: Off.
- jho
Mail: Set to pull once an hour. Not sure if IMAP IDLE is used in this config.
- jho
Does anyone know how often Contacts sync?
- jho
Geotagged pictures show up correctly on Flickr.
- jho
A Pre development wiki has been started. http://predev.wikidot.com/
- jho
As of now, the Pre has been rooted with some pretty interesting apps/hacks showing up over the weekend.
- jho
NES Emulator now runs on the Pre.
- jho
Doom now runs on the Pre.
- jho
It appears that code to the core apps are available when on the system. This would be a good place to start learning how apps are built.
- jho
Another useful resource is www.precentral.net with breaking news.
- jho
Some hidden features including enabling call duration. http://predev.wikidot.com/hidden-...
- jho
How to add more Global Search buttons http://predev.wikidot.com/global-...
- jho
Twitter Search only shows up in Global Search and not in inapp search for some reason.
- jho
BTW if you are doing User-Agent sniffing (generally a bad idea IMO), you can just sniff for "webOS". This was successfully tested on a site yesterday.
- jho
Engadget just reported that a tethering hack has been enabled. Not the neatest but apparently works. http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- jho
Supposedly, there is an effort to port Android to the Pre. http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- jho
Evernote just ported to Pre. A little barebones right now but hopefully will be updated soon.
- jho
There is not an official Yelp app yet but there the Where app does feature a Yelp button as an interim workaround.
- jho
Still using m.twitter.com for lack of a good Twitter client for now.
- jho
Will probably start rooting around inside the Pre soon but that will be a separate thread.
- jho
Back to battery life, with the setup above, battery life is decent although you probably want to have multiple chargers handy. The Touchstone is making a case for itself if it is to be charged frequently.
- jho
The Precentral store (no affiliation) seems to have the Touchstone for sale for $20 less. No word on actual availability. http://store.precentral.net/palm-to...
- jho
Note that the Touchstone does not come with a cable (???) so you will either need to buy an extra or reuse.
- jho
Recommend buying the cable elsewhere as it's just a USB to micro-USB.
- jho
Just the Touchstone for $39.95 http://store.precentral.net/palm-to...
- jho
Here's the link to the extended battery. http://store.precentral.net/seidio-...
- jho
Bluetooth occasionally resets the phone. YMMV. AFAIK, the handling of multiple BT devices is still not there, i.e. Pre, Jawbone and BT in car.
- jho
Pictures taken with the camera are kept in the standard DCIM folder. Under that is a folder called 100PALM. Looks like the naming will allow for 9999 pictures before rolling over.
- jho
You can add your own wallpaper by putting a 320x480 image in /wallpapers
- jho
Pictures are named in the format CIMGxxxx.JPG
- jho
BUG: Ugh, there's a bug in the naming sequence. If you delete some images, it looks like the Pre will reuse the sequence number instead of monotonically increasing the number. So keep that in mind so you will not have overlapping images or make sure to rename them.
- jho
Examined the EXIF. Shutter speed is way off and the focal length is not set.
- jho
It would be nice if the Pre could set IPTC information automatically leveraging geotagging. Imagine having the IPTC prefilled with City: San Francisco, State: US etc.
- jho
exiftool shows "Bad IFD2 directory" warning.
- jho
Exposure Mode is not set: Exposure Mode : Unknown (41987)
- jho
While in USB mode, a drive image is shown with no way to turn it off. Kind of a bummer.
- jho
OTOH, the giant always on charging symbol seems to have gone away (after a crash and reset) and now charges quietly with the screen blanked (Good!)
- jho
Accidentally triggered the Airplane mode today while phone was in pocket. Something to watch out for.
- jho
There does not seem to be a lot of holster options available right now but I've had good luck with the Seidio holster for the Treo. They are selling one for the Pre now. YMMV. http://store.precentral.net/seidio-...
- jho
As a side note, the chaps over at Tesla were very interested in the Pre when there today. Maybe they will build something to interface with the Pre.
- jho
Each of the wallpapers are about 128k in size. By substituting a replacement image or recompressing, you will save some space.
- jho
Now on to Google Maps. Impressed at the speed where location is acquired and displayed. Tried this at the Apple store and the Pre seemed to be consistently faster at this than the iPhone. YMMV.
- jho
Finally, figured out how to add Speed Dial. This is very unintuitive as currently implemented. To add, find the person you want to add and select. Then go to Contacts > Set Speed Dial.
- jho
Just found out that Google Maps updates location in near realtime. Impressive!
- jho
BUG: If you try to send an email when in airplane mode, the mail app seems to go into an infinite loop.
- jho
Ugh, the slider is now noticeably looser after 2 weeks of use. Maybe time to go to the Sprint store to compare.
- jho
First real use of the phone yesterday away from a charger. Light to moderate use resulted in a dead phone by 7pm. Getting an extended battery seems to be a requirement at this point
- jho
Also, turned off GPS in an attempt to save battery.
- jho
Supposedly, there is an update coming soon that addresses battery issues.
- jho
Whoa, VNC is now running on the Pre. http://www.precentral.net/pre-hac...
- jho
Battery life tips from Treonauts http://blog.treonauts.com/2009...
- jho
Plugging the Pre into a XP machine seems to hang the keyboard. Removing the device and retrying seems to fix things.
- jho
Very impressed that wifi seems to work better on the Pre than my laptop (trying to connect from 3rd to 1st floor).
- jho
Tip: For fast contact find: Try typing first letter of first name then last name so for John Doe, type jdo ...
- jho
Interestingly, it is possible to be in airplane mode with wifi on. Good feature to have...
- jho
Scrolling the call log seems to be pretty choppy. There also does not seem to be a way to clear the call log.
- jho
Similarly, there does not seem to be a way to clear the messaging log. Separate thread on exploring the inside of a Pre here. http://bit.ly/enFqB
- jho
Music plays fine with aux input into the car as does Pandora.
- jho
The browser renders UTF8 correctly!
- jho
On a down note, the battery cover creaks alarmingly whenever I use the keyboard now.
- jho
The focal length of the camera is approx. 36mm (35mm equiv) according to this Flickr user. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- jho
Very impressed that wifi seem to workbetter
- Aravindkumar
Nice
- Jay76
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