“is there a way to import what is shown on user's Twitter home page (tweets from user and all the people that he/she follows) in FriendFeed ? The current twitter import implementation on FF returns only the tweets posted by the user...”
No because the RSS feed from http://twitter.com/home needs authentication... the Twitter importing applet from FriendFeed is only implemented to pull updates (your tweets). I've hacked it though, by authenticating the http://twitter.com/home on my server, and then hosting the RSS pulled from twitter as a publicly accessible file... - Ntino
Actually, you can use the format http://<username>:<password>@twitter.com/<username>/with_friends. - Alex. Georgiadis
But if I check that my twitter stream is protected then ff needs my password as well. Isn´t that all they need to pull in all of my Twitter home too ? Anyone know if ff does that then ? - Thomas Bøhm
Σωστός Αλέξανδρε, και δεν νομίζω ότι τα λεγόμενά σου είναι σε αντιθεση με το πνεύμα του ποστ. Δεν πρέπει το μήνυμα να απαξιωθεί επειδή το προωθούν άνθρωποι που δεν έχουν ίχνος κοινωνικής συνείδησης! - philos
Σας έχει τύχει ποτέ, να είστε με παρέα έξω για ποτό και όταν έρθει η ώρα της πληρωμής και ζητήσετε απόδειξη να σας κοιτάνε οι ίδιοι σας οι φίλοι σαν να είστε γραφικοί ή εξωγήινοι; Αυτή είναι η νοοτροπία μας δυστυχώς. Θεωρείται γυφτιά ή ένδειξη τσιγκουνιάς το να ζητάς απόδειξη!!! - Christos Stathis
Η φορολογική συνείδηση είναι μία κοινωνική συμφωνία. Ουσιαστικά, συμφωνούμε όλοι μας ότι θα πληρώνουμε τους φόρους μας, ώστε να συμμετέχουμε στα βάρη του κράτους και να ωφελούμαστε από τις παροχές του. Το μήνυμα είναι σωστό. Το πρόβλημα είναι πώς κάνεις συμφωνία με κάποιον που δεν εμπιστεύεσαι... - Panayotis Vryonis
πάντα ζητάω απόδειξη, γιατί ως μισθωτή έχω βαρεθεί να πληρώνω για τους ελεύθερους επαγγελματίες-φοροφυγάδες (κι έχω πολλά παραδείγματα από γιατρούς μέχρι υδραυλικούς). Ομολογώ όμως ότι κι εγώ "τα παίρνω" όταν μαθαίνω πώς/που/γιατί ξοδεύονται οι φόροι. - SotoMi
Αν κάτι με εκνευρίζει περισσότερο είναι ότι οι ελ. επαγγελματίες που φοροδιαφεύγουν είναι αυτοί που ΠΡΩΤΟΙ μετά θα κοιτάξουν να εκμεταλλευτούν τις παροχές του κράτους για τα χαμηλά εισοδήματα! - philos
I don't like the iphone nor Apple's practices. That aside, this may be a really valuable add-on and I'd like to see something similar for Android and Windows Mobile-based devices. - Alex. Georgiadis
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"Υπάρχει έστω και ένας (1) λογικός άνθρωπος που να πιστεύει ότι κάποιος θα συγκινηθεί από την διαφήμιση και θα φοροδιαφύγει λιγότερο? Για μαλάκες ψάχνουν?" - Panayotis Vryonis
Εμένα μου φάνηκε πως το μήνυμα είναι να παίρνουμε αποδείξεις από τους ελεύθερους επαγγελματίες... - Alex. Georgiadis
Is the comparison even relevant? FF is so much more. - Nicola Quinn
Cory: how fast they got to 100,000 users. FF got there much faster than Twitter did. - Robert Scoble
How do we even know how many users FF or Twitter has? Do they release numbers or are these all EWAG? - Brian Sullivan
"FF is to Twitter as ESPN is to Football"; it's not a 0 sum game, both can win. 1/2 the content I consume on FF is twitter - Sean Reiser
One could argue that a primary reason why FriendFeed is growing faster than Twitter did is because Twitter didn't have its own Twitter to give it a kick start. - Akiva Moskovitz
HI Mr. Scoble, hope you enjoy Barcelona. My grandparents are from Austurias, I adore Espana!! Viya con dios mi amigo! - Enriqueta
Wow, great points by Nicola, Sean, and Akiva...!! - Harold Cabezas
i first heard of FF on mashable--within Facebook, btw--http://bit.ly/tou5. it sounded cool & thought i'd check it out. i immediately thought it was a killer app. twitter is great, but i really think ff is almost an essential add-on to it. reason: i rarely used twitter before ff b/c it was so disorganized. it made my brain hurt trying to keep everything together. most people i know are on facebook, if anything, so i had a real hard time finding who 2 follow on twitter. not a problem w ff! - Brendten Eickstaedt
It's like saying pepperoni is winning over pizza. They are complementary. - Louis Gray
I use both. They are complementary. More success to both services. - David
I think it's funny that people insist on even having these conversations and people like Robert Scoble like to fan the fire despite the fact that FF and Twitter aren't really direct competitors to each other and offer much different services with different endgames in mind. - Mattie Kenny
Although FF and Twitter are not competitors, given the finite amount of time we each have eventually users trend toward whatever they prefer and reduce usage elsewhere. They ARE complementary and those who are serious about SM will continue to use both. - Internet Strategist
IMHO - there will not be a single winner in SM or "microblogging". There will be broadly adopted high traffic services - but also a multitude of niche services from local, self and group based "networks". - Brian Roy
If they're competing for our time/attention that sorta... you know... makes them... what's the word I'm looking for... oh yeah... competitors. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson
Ken - kinda, but by that definition they are also competing with YouTube and Hulu. Everything is competing with everything else for our time... not a great definition of competitor... - Brian Roy
I didn't know that FF and Twitter were competing. I think both of them fill different needs. - Bob Blunk
I'm not sure what winning would mean here. I think each complements the other. - Peter Simard
I agree w/ Peter: they work more synergistcally w/ the other rather than against, though I believe FF benefits more. - sofarsoshawn
I don't get what Twitter can do that Friendfeed can't -- how are they complementary? Twitter strikes me as a weak subset of Friendfeed. I must be missing something obvious -- it wouldn't be the first time. - Sean McBride
As soon as Friendfeed involved a @reply type of thing, it will be completely superior. Its very annoying not being able to direct messages to people not following you - Chacha
@Sean McBride: see Tim O'Reilly's post http://bit.ly/802Q - Twitter is so lightweight and lends itself to be extensible. that's the power of simplicity. it's not weak, it's just different than FF. FF excels at aggregation. Twitter excels at one-to-many short broadcasts. think SMS. the advantage of Twitter over Friendfeed is its mainstream popularity, developer support, and extensibility via its API. my point is: you don't have to pick between the two. in fact, i'm having the best of both worlds :) http://bit.ly/802Q - ~C4Chaos
Chaos - thanks for the explanation. I think I get it now. Less is more. Extreme minimalism rules in certain domains. Twitter is very swift, fleet and lightweight. Friendfeed is too bulky for certain kinds of social communication. When Tim O'Reilly speaks, I listen. (He is one of those guys who is much smarter than I am.) - Sean McBride
Lots of good points here. I agree they are somewhat complementary - Friendfeed helps me listen to my friends who are hooked on Twitter and too, um, late to the party to get Friendfeed yet. But measuring growth by how fast they got to 100,000 users? Well, that's one way, but what about loyalty, frequency and volume of use, etc.? I'd be interested to see those stats too. - Laura Norvig
This conversation right here is the exact reason why FF is surviving but not killing Twitter, they are both quite different but at the same time use each other, or at least FF uses Twitter. You can see what I mean by reading this huge conversation, find one of these on twitter. - Brendon Wadey
Ok - I am still not quite on board with Twitter. Simplicity in part means to me the fewer programs the better. Anything I can do in Twitter I can do in Friendfeed (I think). FF is quite competent at handling very brief text messages. I don't feel motivated to use Twitter. - Sean McBride
I wish I knew why FF, Pownce, Twitter, et.al. all seem to have at least one killer feature and at least one annoying gap and don't learn from each other at all. - Flitcraft
It could also be determined by the person, as in if the person started using Twitter and then came over to FF they would still be using Twitter more then FF, and so forth the other way around. ?hmm - Brendon Wadey
Twitter seems to thrive on all the gaps it has. It just waits for everyone to come along and build apps that fill them. - Jon Gosier
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Yea such as Pownce being very slow, which makes it hard to use. - Brendon Wadey
I think FF needs to be able to while importing Tweets, search for a FF user with that Twitter Stream, so I tweet @chacha102, if it finds 1(only 1 user) with that Twitter stream, it would update the link in FF to link to their Friend Feed profile. - Chacha
FF has no directs or @replies like Twitter. Other than that, and not counting SMSs that are not global, it's a superset to Twitter's functionality built on a much stronger foundation. Yes, they are complementary. I like FF better - Alex. Georgiadis
@Jesse: More from a perspective of not having to drag people to a whole new service. FF at least imports Twitter and lets people respond via Twitter if they have accounts. - Flitcraft
I don't really like shortened URLs. Dependence on third parties is one of the reasons. And it's part of the reason I'm not so fond of Twitter. Then again, services like Twitter rely on them... Any thoughts? - Alex. Georgiadis
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Don't know why. All yahoo mail deliveries have been problematic for me for at least the past 2 months - Alex. Georgiadis
I know for a fact that yahoo.com uses a delayer at their SMTP server for at least a month now, that makes poorly setup SMTP servers to timeout delivery. Obviously it's on purpose to avoid spam, but loses too many legit mails. Maybe at yahoo.gr they use something similar? Persuade your contacts to switch to Gmail! There is no reason whatsoever to stay in Yahoo or Hotmail. - Saxtus
Divided: why do you want to read a newspaper made by people you don't know? Or buy a car from people you don't know? Or eat a meal made by people you don't know? - Robert Scoble
For the past several months I've been following EVERYONE who shows up on my view. Those are participants. People who click like. People who leave comments. I am now following 4,601 people according to FriendFeed. Yet if I look at the larger pool of who is following me there are 21,578 there. Who are these lurkers? Have I caught every participant? - Robert Scoble
you should get me that many followers lol - Brendon Wadey
I'm pretty sure I've caught most of the participants. Why? Because I've both begged for people to let me know and, also, because if you look at how 4,000 people link out to other people and get their audiences involved you'll see that they touch more than 100,000 FriendFeeders. - Robert Scoble
That's pretty good results, compared to like Digg or other sites. - Mohomed=genieyclo
so do you still believe there are >100K FF users Robert? :) - Jeremy Toeman
Interesting statistic. Seems like a fairly high participation rate. I wonder how that compares to other social media sites such as Twitter as well as Blogs? - Jeff P. Henderson
It would be great if you could compare numbers with other notables to see if this is specifically a Scoble ratio, or a more generally observed phenomenon. - G. Saunders
Brendon: followers are fun, but following is more important. Someday I'll write a book about why. But, short version is that if you follow smart and interesting people they'll get you involved in interesting conversations. They'll make you smarter and more interesting. Guess what? That'll get you more followers. It's a vicious cycle. I haven't seen anyone with a lot of followers who isn't smart and interesting here (and/or a participant). - Robert Scoble
That is why I'm so picky about who I follow. - Mathew Ballard
Jeremy: yes, there are. Provably so. Just visit the "Everyone" feed and you'll see that most of those aren't in my sphere of influence. Heck, there's an extremely interesting Farsi crowd here that I can't even read, so I don't follow them for the most part. - Robert Scoble
That is probably the most useful tip I have heard from anyone in quite awhile, it makes sense and is true. But yes followers are fun :) - Brendon Wadey
The wonders of a larger sample size... see by that standard, I'm following 119, and have 86 following me. Since I've started using FF, I've had ... less than a dozen comments and likes combined. So if I were running these numbers, I'd say - "interaction on FriendFeed is nil - whereas interaction on Twitter is incredible"... then again, my echo chamber resides in Twitter and is small. Breaking through that is the next trick... - Enrique Gutierrez
Jeff: on blogs the rate of lurkers is much higher. Arrington has a million RSS subscribers, yet how many of those participate in his comments? Only a very small percentage. - Robert Scoble
Funny, I am subscribed to every single person on this thread so far, which validates that I don't have any participants who I haven't followed yet. Wonder what all those lurkers are doing? I bet that they very rarely visit FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble
Robert, when you start going into higher numbers; any group of people becomes representative of the general demographics. This means it represents the same classes of people: 20% Leaders, 80% followers. You, Sir, belong to the former. Your numbers are representative of the same fact. I do not anticipate this to change, this is the structure of the society, how we are built. - Parth Awasthi
@Robert, That is what I suspected. Comparing Blogs to social media sites is an apples to oranges comparison. - Jeff P. Henderson
Scoble, your point on touching 100,000 FriendFeeders is interesting. Am comparing it to the statistic that LinkedIn shows on people connected to ones contacts..i have 13,000 contacts via the immediate 194 of mine. But purely in terms of engagement/participation am thinking FF beats LinkedIn. - Mahesh CR
Parth: yes, but this is the first time in history where we have the names of the lurkers! :-) - Robert Scoble
I'd love to know what they're all doing, especially the 15 people that should (by the 1:4.7 ratio) be interacting with my feed. I should hire a team of christmas elves to hook up the comments on my timeline... - Enrique Gutierrez
Participation is also harder on popular blogs now, with many requiring registration, captchas or email confirmation steps. The harder it is to say what you want, the less likely folks are to bother. - John
Yea there are many blogs that I go to but never comment, because I don't want to take the time to sign up for that blog nor do I want more accounts with places I might only go to once in awhile. - Brendon Wadey
The Lost Lurkers of Atlantis. Imagine if they all decided to decend upon a comment thread all on the same day. There should be a count down or something to give it a shot. - Micah Wittman
@Brendon That is why I wish everyone used Disqus or something where you don't have to sign up just to leave a comment. Cause I personally will not sign up. - Mathew Ballard
@Robert, I think there are plenty of lurkers that do not participate, but read as they either do not have a significant enough interest in the topics at hand or they do not agree with the views posted and do not wish to start an argument. I believe the latter was very true during the election, especially for those with Right leaning views, who were grossly outnumbered by the Left leaning points of view here on FF. - Jeff P. Henderson
