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So if TIME Magazine, DC Comics and Platon Didn’t Send Flickr a DMCA Takedown Notice Over the Obama Joker Image, Who Did? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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But now PDN is saying that they have contacted spokespeople at TIME Magazine, DC Comics, and the photographer who took the original image for Time Magazine, Platon, and all are denying having filed a DMCA takedown notice against this image. Apparently the photographer Platon’s office wasn’t even aware of the Obama/Joker issue. So if TIME Magazine, DC Comics and Platon didn’t file a DMCA takedown notice against the image, who did? And if someone with no possible IP interest in the image filed it, wouldn’t it be a tad disingenuous at this point for Flickr staff to be hiding behind this takedown notice in justifying their act of censorship? No wonder why when they were asked by the Los Angeles Times *who* filed the DMCA takedown notice, they were told that Flickr wasn’t able to give this information out. Aren’t able to give this information out or won’t give this information out?
- Thomas Hawk
Oh no! I liked this post! Will Flickr ban me and cancel my pro account?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
If Yahoo/Flickr wants to curb the "makey upey" (I didn't realize Heather was 5 years old) all they have to do is be truthful and forthcoming with information. The more they withhold, the more rumors will fly.
- Rob LaRosa
Amazing. Sometimes I wish there was an viable alternative that provides me with the same benefits I get from Flickr. Careful TH, you're going to find your account mysteriously gone someday. :)
- Jeremy Kunz
Barack Obama filed a DMCA request for using his likeness. Okay, obviously, that's stupid, but really, who's left with a legitimate claim of any kind?
- Vincent Ferrari
Does the fact that Flicker were complying with a DCMA takedown notice change your view of this story, Thomas???
- Roberto Bonini
Oh, did anyone ask the white house???? and shouldn't someone file a FOIA request to reveal who filed the DCMA notice???
- Roberto Bonini
Here's the EFF's description of the DMCA process in the context of YouTube: http://www.eff.org/issues...
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm not sure if a FOIA is possible... the DMCA takedown is from one private party to another. The Fed in general can't hold copyrights: In the United States, U.S. Government works are covered by 17 USC § 105.59 "Copyright protection … is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
My guess is either AT&T or Apple, although both will deny it. :) Agree that FOIA has no standing here.
- John E. Bredehoft
Unless Flickr is outright lying about receiving a valid DMCA takedown notice, then what needs to happen is fully within the DMCA process now. Whoever posts the image and has it taken down can choose to submit a counter-notice (and bear the risks thereof). The DMCA is the culprit here. Write to your legislators about how the DMCA "has become a serious threat that jeopardizes fair use,...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
@Vincent, Neither Barack Obama or the White House are the legal copyright holders of the original image. They would have no right to issue a DMCA notice. Just because an image is of you does not give you any rights to that image.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If not FOIA, sue to reveal the filer???
- Roberto Bonini
I am getting tired of the evasiveness of Flickr staff...who are the decision makers and why haven't they come forward to explain this action?
- carwax
@carwax As I understand it, its a Champocracy.
- EricaJoy
@Jeff: I said that somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I was just pointing out that the only people left that are in any way involved would be the white house ;-)
- Vincent Ferrari
It's hard to say who issued it. The Whitehouse obviously understands that they would not be allowed to request an image come down that they don't hold any sort of IP claim over so I doubt it was them. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they informally objected to the image to Flickr staff. When Shepherd Johnson wrote comments critical of the President on the official Whitehouse photostream a few months back Flickr nuked his account over it.
- Thomas Hawk
It's really mind boggling that Yahoo/Flickr finds this approach easier, with all the bad PR inherent to it, than simply reforming their procedures for handling alleged copyright and TOS violations to allow for some sort of appeal.
- Eric P
It's easier because they only piss off a small minority of people who are passionate - and knowledgeable - about copyright laws. It's the 80-20 rule: The normal ma-and-pa Flickr user probably isn't even aware that it happened let alone the issue. Except in this case it's more likely 99-1, where only 1 percent of the Flicker users are engaged and passionate enough to care. This type of...
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- Tim
posted this on FB lately? Wait nvmd, FaceFeed
- sofarsoShawn <Oh HAI!>
My 16,000th Photo Uploaded to Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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16,000 down, 984,000 to go.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Not long to go!
- Andrew Trinh
And what a fine one it is! Congrats
- Michael Fidler
it'd definitely going to take me a while to get to a million. I'm publishing about 200 photos to flickr a week right now and at this pace it will take 92 years to get there. I'll get the pace up to 400-500 a week in the future though. Better technology should make processing easier and someday my kids will be grown and I'll be able to quit my day job and focus on this even more. The best photos have yet to be taken.
- Thomas Hawk
When I think about this I realize your best days are ahead of you.
- Russellreno
That is a great photo
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
What's your shot/publish ratio? I mean, on average how many shots do you take to produce those you publish?
- Yuval Atzmon
atzmon, I probably average about 2,000 shots a week that I shoot. And I'm probably processing 300 or so of those a week at present, so I'm probably keeping about 15%. The other 85% never get processed and are kept in my archives. I'm trying only to process and publish the shots that I think meet a certain quality criteria.
- Thomas Hawk
Wow and Congrats!!
- Vox
Dude, you're a machine.
- Zee.
Jauder, the good news is that processing will only get easier in the future. I've watched it get better with each successive Adobe release. Lightroom 2.0 is the best processing tool yet. It's not necessarily faster per se though because with more tools there are yet even more ways to tweak a photo hence even more time. But the tools to speed things up are coming too. auto geotagging, better anti dust tech, faster processing speeds, easier online tools with faster broadband are all around the corner.
- Thomas Hawk
16,000 ?? Yikes. Cool number. Congrats.
- Charlie Anzman
big numbers means someone (Thomas) is dedicated to his art. He is pretty talented as well!
- Michael VanDervort
from twhirl
Perseverance furthers.
- Michael Markman
This photo is total awesome. It is made even more awesome by the knowledge that there are 15,999 more photos just as awesome as this one. EDIT: This photo is now my desktop background. :)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Congrats!
- J. McConnell
beautiful, congrats!
- Carmen
Awesome!! Keep going Thomas!! beutiful work... YOU are such an inspiration... thanks!
- Susan Beebe
congrats Thomas!
- Shey
Damn that is all kinds of awesome.
- Mattb4rd
<3
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Wow, quite an accomplishment!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Great job Thomas. Keep it up.
- Andrew Smith
Congratulations.. keep going! we'll be watching :)
- Juan Pablo González
Congratulations Thomas!
- Holger Eilhard
Congrats & cheers TH. Your images confirm, you are, indeed, sui generis.
- Dave Martin
Beautiful shot! Congrats for achieving this landmark!
- Muhammad Ahmed
Congrats, I even don't think I took so many photos in my life. :)
- Ferhad Fidan
from fftogo
@thomas: Yahoo should be giving Flickr to you for free. You'd do a great job with it. And it would be historical: the first user-generated (company) acquisition :)))
- Alberto D'Ottavi
from fftogo
Beautiful!!!!
- Rafael Montilla
awesome!!
- Rhoda Meek
For 1M images you could do a multi-part movie (1080p) miniseries averaging an hour per episode.
- Jay Cuthrell
wow from last year, I'm almost at 29,000 photos uploaded to flickr now.
- Thomas Hawk
And only 971,000 to go ... :P
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
That's Awesome!
- John Holzer
Keep 'em comin' Thomas!
- Charlie Anzman
I guess the metier of 'photo editor' is kaput...or, at least, greatly altered....
- Chris Gulker
You know they are going to delete your account without warning once you hit 999,999, right? :)
- Ace
Ace, I hope not, I'd be so pissed. Actually I think alot of what gets me so upset about all the content/account deletion issues is that I really do worry that it actually will happen to me. Flickr staff hates me and they'd *love* to delete my account. I worry that I'll wake up one morning and everything will have been nuked. I suppose that's why I'd like to see them enact the ability to...
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- Thomas Hawk
Holyshit! You have taked just couple of photos...
- k00pa
Why your flickr page says 28,974 items ?
- k00pa
Because this post is from September last year k00pa :)
- Simon Wicks
@Chris Gulker. Someday I hope to work with a photo editor. God knows I need to. I like to think of my Flickrstream today more as the raw material in a lot of ways for future projects. A good photo editor adds tremendous value to shaping a photographer's imagery.
- Thomas Hawk
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