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Just realized: Obama vs McCain = Adama vs Tigh. Vote accordingly.
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OMG, So true!
- Jen Kuiper
xkcd - Mission - http://xkcd.com/452/
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For some reason, this is striking me as the Funniest. XKCD. Ever.
- Magdalena Donea
from Bookmarklet
Whatever Happens Happens - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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As much as I look at that, I can't for the life of me decipher what the vessels are--glass of some sort, I know, but bottles? Art?
- Kris Millering
How Every Flickr Photo Ended Up on Sale This Weekend - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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I would be flattered if someone liked my images enough to download for their personal use. However, I'd be irate if some company took my images and sold them for their own profit..
- Becca
I totally agree with Becca
- Scott Wamsley
But the question is ought it be Flickr's job to try to design their system and police those who use their API? Should flickr be required to monitor every single API key for copyright enforcement? Some use the API for personal tools, others use it for commercial purposes. My own feeling is that Flickr should not have to play the role of copyright police -- that misuse of imagery ought to be between a photographer and the offending party.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm not familiar with Flickr's API, but I imagine it's pretty easy to retrieve the license data for each image. If so, the responsibility rests solely on the API consumer to make sure what they're doing with the images is legit. I suppose if Flickr really wanted to be proactive about it, they could provide a "Don't expose my images through the API" option. No one would ever see those pictures again, but at least the copyright would be slightly more secure.
- James (@willia4)
James, Flickr already has a way for users to opt out of the API if they want. If people are that concerned about misuse then I think it is their responsibility to opt out, not Flickr's responsibility to play copyright police. You can opt in/out of the API on Flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/account...
- Thomas Hawk
Ok. Then I don't understand the problem. Flickr's already giving their users the the tools to keep their photos from showing up in random API places. There's nothing to see here. Move along.
- James (@willia4)
Becca, this is the whole point of this discussion. If you tag your images with a specific copyright, legally that should be honored by all who want to use that image.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'd be interested to know if policing the use of the API changes Flickr's liability in regard to safe harbor? Do they move from being not responsible for how people may misuse copyright of photos that happen to be hosted on Flickr, to being liable for that misuse? If they do, I can see why they would not get involved with policing the API
- Mike McBride
Right, flickr gives you both the option to block your images from external search and API, and the option to allow the programs *you want* to access your files through your API key, I don't see a big issue aside from the fact that those options aren't made more clear to new users and/or asking users to set them as part of the setup process. On top of that, you can choose who can/cannot see certain sized files of yours. All the tools are in place, it's whether/how you use them or not.
- cmiper
I don't think that Flickr should have to play copyright police and monitor all usage for their API for violation, and the courts would most likely uphold this as they have with ISP's liability for people distributing copyrighted music over their networks. But it seems that they might be able to rewrite the API to plug the holes or make it easier for programmers to abide by the rules. This might fall under the category of being a good citizen on the net.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@cmiper That is good information. I will look into how this all works. It is definitely not clear to most users that they have an option to control how their images are seen/used and by whom. If this is the case then Jim's original issue is really a non issue, and he just need to configure Flicker to function to meet his copyright needs.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Part of the problem Jeff might be that Jim doesn't want to totally opt out of the API. For instance. He might enjoy that people can see his photos in PicLens or Flickrleech or other apps (or maybe not), but wants to restrict it to other companies. Much of the API use is not dependent on individual permission given to approved apps. Still, I think if it matters that much to someone that they should just opt out entirely.
- Thomas Hawk
An API white-list doesn't seem like it'd be worth implementing. I'm sure the VAST majority of Flickr's users wouldn't ever use it, if only because most of us (myself included) just don't take very good or interesting pictures. I'm not really worried about someone stealing the snapshot I made of my mom's dog, after all. If I really cared, I'd get my pics off flickr and on to my own server and do white-listing with .htaccess files. Not that anyone would go to the trouble of accessing my site then.
- James (@willia4)
@Jeff - you can block API/search here http://flickr.com/account... You can control what scripts/programs you want to have access through your API here http://flickr.com/service... you can set who has access to your larger sized photos here http://flickr.com/account...
- cmiper
@cmiper, Thanks for posting the links!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Thomas, I think you left out some key information. Flickr allows you to mark your photos as to whether you're willing to share them or not, but the API disregards that information. While you may be perfectly willing to let someone else profit from your photos, others may not. My view follows what Becca wrote. If Flickr's API followed the same rules as it sets for a person viewing photos on their site, this would not be an issue. That's the key issue as I see it.
- William Beem
@James - Why should I have to deactivate a useful feature just because one vendor broke the rules? Perhaps I want to use BigHugeLabs.com or Moo.com to access my Flickr photos and provide a service, but I don't want them sold without providing me any notice or income. I don't like being used.
- William Beem
William, see my comment above, you have to OPT IN to use those services, which you do through YOUR API key. Blocking unauthorized access through API/search does not affect this.
- cmiper
@William - Why should Flickr have to spend development, QA, localization, maintenance, and documentation resources implementing an API white-list feature because one vendor broke the rules? And why would anyone put their pictures on the Internet if they really cared about people copying them? Once it's on the Internet, that's it. Game over. It's going to be copied and shared and ripped-off if it's any good. Period. I just don't see how this is Flickr's responsibility.
- James (@willia4)
So...you would be perfectly happy if they just removed the license information? ::shrugs:: I'd rather they didn't, personally.
- James (@willia4)
Unbelievable! Why should Flickr make it's own API follow its own rules? I'm stunned that you would even ask that question. This isn't so much about Flickr being a copyright cop as it is about Flickr being consistent between its presentation and its API.
- William Beem
If you folks would click on "Show XX more comments" above, you would see that you can OPT OUT of access to your photos through the API except for third party apps that you authorize to have access to them. The tools are there, if you don't use them then they are useless.
- cmiper
Why should people not have the benefit of the Flickr API just because someone abuses it? That's just punishing the people who don't abuse it because of the actions of a handful who do.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
The API is just a data layer. It's not supposed to follow the rules of the presentation layer. That's why the API lets people do so many cool things: by not having the restrictions of the web page. This is just another one of those things; it seems to be the only one anyone's up in arms about. And I can't see a good solution that wouldn't also remove the desired functionality of sites like moo.com. So...what's the better idea?
- James (@willia4)
The "better idea" is to improve the API.
- William Beem
So just because I don't mark my picture as CC, I'm not allowed to make a Moo card with it? See, if they did THAT, I'd agree that they obviously don't care about their users.
- James (@willia4)
Irony: Andrew Feinberg was giving me a bunch of crap about how secure Flickr was with regards to this in this thread over here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kirk Kittell
I think it would be handy if Flickr would provide me the ability to see who accesses my photos through the API and how the photos are used. That way policing my copyrights is in my hands and not in the hands of some programming logic. Don't forget that Flickr was designed to share and distribute images widely. Don't be surprised when they get out. If you that concerned with protecting you work, use PhotoShelter or similar service that is designed for controlled distribution instead of Flickr.
- Aaron Schaub
from fftogo
If Flickr API allows others to sell your photos when you dont want them to, Flickr should stop it.
- CJPhoto
For people saying that you should not post pictures if you do not want them stolen, replace photos as a medium with a different medium say text or video. The same problem applies and with those mediums, there seems to be far more outcry when content is stolen rather than the cavalier attitude towards stolen photos. I would hate to see DRM become the norm for pictures but there needs to be respect for copyright along with proper attribution.
- Jauder Ho
Flickr needs to do the right thing here and enforce licenses as part of fetching images via RSS and the API.
- Jauder Ho
I find your view surprising Tom. It's NOT OK for someone to infringe your right to take photos but IT IS OK for someone to infringe your rights to use your work with out consent. If the later doesn't matter why would the former? I am not asking Flickr to police copyrights I am asking Flickr to abide by their end of our agreement. I have not given them blanket permission to distribute my...
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- Jim Goldstein
I am also torn by this article. I am in the midst of researching if it is worth attempting to sell some of my photos to be able to invest and feed my hobby. I don't think this is a bad thing, and if I were selling my photos I definitely would want to make sure they were protected in fairness to those who paid for it. This is assuming I can get people to pay for my bad photos of course. =)
- Alex Almeida
Great conversation. In terms of good business practice it seems that Flickr should take action if their terms of service are being violated and if the wishes of their customers is being ignored. In terms of copyright infringement, intellectual property of any type should be respected. I equally admire those who choose to give their photos away for free and those who require compensation, and in either case the wishes of the image owner should be respected. Like i-tunes - free and paid music side by side
- Krista Neher
Just got my second unsolicited photo license purchase from my Flickrstream this week. Is it just me or are more people buying from Flickr photos these days?
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Anyone else sold photos from people contacting them unsolicited on Flickr?
- Thomas Hawk
I'm not an expert in this (because I've never sold any of my photography via Flickr), but I think that maybe it's just you. :-)
- Dawn M. Armfield
I have not sold any, but I have allowed others to use them in small-time publications and for editorial purposes after they found my stream and contacted me.
- Tom Harrison
I've had a couple that I turned down
- Damien Franco
It is just you. Or maybe it is just not me. Congrats, though.
- Andy Roth
I had someone approach me once, but nothing came of it.
- Ben Reierson
I've sold lots of photos from Flickr but it just seems that it's been heating up lately. Wondering if this is more of a trend as buyers move away from traditional stock agencies and more towards things like Flickr etc. Sold one to a magazine yesterday for $100 and one to a text book company today for $150.
- Thomas Hawk
I've sold one, but had other 2 propositions that didn't work in the end.
- Mário Pires
I've given them away to smaller organizations and literary journals. I think, though, Thomas, that you're very high profile, too. That accounts for something. In fact, if I do a search for tags that I use, and that I'm the biggest user of (Flagstaff or Northern Arizona, for instance), I don't even come up -- or at least not in the first few pages). I'm not sure why that is. Congratulations on the sales. I hope this is a trend.
- Dawn M. Armfield
It's possible that art directors are looking towards Flickr because they can buy "unique" images at a cheaper price than getting a photographer to create something original. Just a thought.
- Damien Franco
do you get a reasonable amount?
- Toby Graham
Mine are all CC licenced so I haven't sold any as such. Some have been used with permission for blogs or travel sites and, thanks to tineye.com I found one yesterday that was being used without permission in a few places.
- Fraser Smith
I have had 3 or 4. Right now I waiting to hear back from Ripley's Believe It or Not! if they are going to use a photo for an upcoming book. They found me through flickr.
- Squid
Thomas, Are you doing anything special to make them available for purchase on Flickr?
- Kreg Steppe
I have also received a couple of requests for prints in the last couple of weeks from my Flickr feed.
- Mark Anderson
Maybe they are also being found via the friendfeed links. Hmmm...
- Dawn M. Armfield
I've only sold one photo through Flickr. The majority of people requesting use of my photos from Flickr are using them under the CC licensing for free.
- Jeremy Brooks
I haven't sold any photos via Flickr yet. Most people just ask if they can use it (non commercially), then I tell them about the CC license.
- Holger Eilhard
Damien, I think you are right. Toby, usually I get $100 - $500 per use. Kreg, not doing anything special, but I have a lot of images on Flickr and many of them are popular and rank highly in Flickr search. Like all of you I get lots of "free use" requests all the time as well. Almost always I approve them.
- Thomas Hawk
College student told me she's had 2 unsolicited requests yesterday. Mine, which are tagged with the CC attribution license, have been used 4 times. (It's growing)
- Charlie Anzman
My wife, Patti, got a unsolicited request 2 weeks ago from an ad agency for a Dell TV spot - earned her $1k
- Martin Taylor
I want to be contacted. I need to earn more lenses!
- Becca
I got contacted by a PR firm in Florida once, but it didn't end up happening.
- Rachel Lea Fox
I wouldn't mind selling something :)
- Mirko
Dell TV spot Martin? That sounds pretty cool. I sold a photo to Choice Hotels once for a TV spot.
- Thomas Hawk
I think that Flickr probably has a much better selection of really good photos than can be found at most stock agencies, due to the shear number of photos that are uploaded to it on a daily basis. It baffles the mind why Yahoo does not see this and build facility for users to sell stock images, and possibly fine art prints as well. This would be a win-win for both Yahoo and users.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff I've been saying that for years. I had a few brief conversations with Stewart Butterfield about it back in 2004 and he mentioned that they would look into it. Nothing ever happened though. The stock photo business is a $2 billion business. Seems like a no brainer to me. I thought since Bill Gates owns Corbis 100% that they might have been a good fit for that given a Yahoo acquisition by MSFT.
- Thomas Hawk
I would say it speaks more to your skill as a photographer than Flickr's appeal as a stock photo source. But I've been wrong before.
- Randy Hall
Thomas, maybe Flickr's new management will see things differently now, but I'm not holding my breath...
- Jeff P. Henderson
I sell a few images per year on Flickr. More importantly, people see images when then lead to direct real-life work.
- Aaron B. Hockley
I have sold a few through flickr. People just searching for themes then contacting me if they find one of mine which suits their theme. The issue is then the sales process. I have to import my flickr photos into Imagekind for that.
- Tom Quinn
Why doesn't Flickr offer a sell option? Zooomr was thinking of doing it but has changed its mind and now it looks like Protade is trying to start up as a Flickr/stock cross breed for this exact purpose.
- CJPhoto
Before I started FriendFeed, and was researching where to put my pictures on-line, I saw many webpages saying Flickr was the place to put your pics if you wanted to sell them. Opted for Picasa instead on the advice of a colleege roommate because I was mainly sharing pics with family, friends, and dancers. It was before I started using Del.icio.us, so I don't have the links handy. :-(
- Mitchell Tsai
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Thomas, I can't help but be envious. Where do you get this stuff??
- Roberto Bonini
These images are truly stunning!
- Emma
Once again, the "Like" button pales.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
thanks all, it's the Chihuly exhibit currently on display at the de Young museum in SF. It's a great show and very cool that they allow non-flash photography. I'm planning on going back a few more times to shoot more there as well. Info on the exhibit here: http://www.chihulyatthedeyoung.org/ My entire Chihuly set here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I was considering going to shoot the exhibit, but it appears that doing so would just make me feel bad about my skill. Instead, I'll enjoy this set and go enjoy the exhibit with no camera.
- David Thomas
Great stuff, man. After I was there, I couldn't wait to see what you came back with!
- Jeremy Brooks
Thomas, how do you decide what you post to Zooomr vs. Flickr? Is it all the same shots?
- Matt
Love the brilliant colors in these photos!
- Alan Le
Matt, in the case of the Chihuly show it's the exact same shots to both sites. I have more shots on Zooomr than Flickr but it's kind of haphazard what shots go to what site and when. I love them both. The Chihuly show is an exception but mostly I go through a finished pool of unpublished photos and randomly post 10-15. Sometimes the same shots to both Flickr and Zooomr but frequently different shots to keep it more interesting.
- Thomas Hawk
I still have another 120 or so finished Chihuly shots which will be filtered in randomly over time. The 59 I chose to publish last night though were the shots that I liked the most.
- Thomas Hawk
Chihuly's art is amazing. One of the first HD shows I ever saw (around 2000 as I recall) was a PBS documentary on a project he conducted in Vienna. Stunning both visually and artistically.
- jcunwired
I saw a Chihuly exhibition in Miami a few years ago - the glass sculptures amongst the park vegetation and cacti were simply amazing.
- Sally Church
Beautiful! I missed Chihuly's exhibit when it was here in Chicago at the Garfield Park Conservatory several years ago, but was able to catch it in Columbus, OH, at the conservatory there (forgot the name). Took so many pictures. :) And I'm happy that I'll be able to visit his glass museum in Tacoma this August.
- Cheryl Jones
Unable to see your photos as Zooomr has been down off and on (motley off) since Sunday PM. What's the problem???
- Jeff P. Henderson
Dangerous Beauty - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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Dangerous Beauty is one of my favorite movies. :)
- Kris Millering
Mine too. I don't know why I don't own it!
- Sunnie
Playing the Brooklyn ikea opening. 6:30 am this morning. Dream come true. Not really.
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From time to time, I look out the window at City Hall and smile. Congratulations, newlyweds!
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From time to time, I look out the window at Loreto and curse. Tone down the marching music, girls! OKTHXBYE!
- Vanlal Tochhawng
Renton Reporter - http://www.zwire.com/site...
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places to visit in Renton
- Zaratyst
Chiminea Chimenea. Chimineas w/Gas - http://www.thebluerooster.com/catalog...
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look, there's even a chiminea with dragon flies!
- Zaratyst
Photowalking Seattle Style - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Go SeaTac!
- Ryan
Blissfullness - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Wow, amazing image. HDR?
- jcunwired
The contrast is almost lomo-like.
- Andrew Dobrow
no, not HDR but definitely processed heavily in this case.
- Thomas Hawk
love the juxtaposition of curves and edges
- Chris Hollander
...yes, wonderful and amazing. Had to fave it the moment I first saw it.
- JA Castillo
do you use Aperture to process your images? i saw a post you wrote a while back about Aperture but wasn't sure if you're still using it. i'm getting a MB Pro next week so trying to figure out what i should use to process my photos.
- Sam Purtill
Sam, I don't use Aperture. I use Bridge/Photoshop. But I've heard good things about Aperture. I've always thought of the whole Aperture vs. Lightroom debate as like a Canon vs. Nikon debate. Both good products just different strokes for different folks. I've learned on Canon and Adobe. Someone else might do just as well with Nikon and Aperture.
- Thomas Hawk
I did try Aperture once but at the time they didn't have vignette control and that was a deal killer at the time for me. I'm sure they've added that in now in later versions.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes; Aperture does have vignette (and devignette) now. I use Aperture for all of my work; it's gotten loads better since version 2.
- Benjamin Golub
Awesome photo, the reflection on the street is amazing.
- Jeremy Kunz
12 Ways to Never Miss a Photo Opportunity - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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I agree you always need your dslr. My worst photos are the ones I never got to shoot because I did not have one of my cameras with me.
- Jon Erickson
from twhirl
I can't wait to get a DSLR - but how do you manage to carry around something so big? What are the better compact ones?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I carry around a Canon SD100 with me all the time--I can't carry my DSLR around with me, but I can carry my little camera. It takes fabulous photos for such a tiny camera.
- Kris Millering
I carry a Canon XTi almost everywhere. Once you're used to it, it's not a big deal. If you want something smaller to carry everywhere, check out the Canon G9. It's not an SLR, but it can shoot RAW and has manual controls.
- Jeremy Brooks
I'm using a Powershot S80 right now, and while I have a lot of manual controls, I'm still missing out on a lot of great DSLR capabilities. I just shudder at the thought of having to lug around a big camera everywhere I go.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I carry a Canon S5 IS, but I might need a smaller one for my belt clip. My small one broke a screen on "Year 2 Day 2", just out of warranty.
- Mitchell Tsai
I carry my Canon G9 everywhere now. I love my 5D and those L lenses but I just can't carry them around all the time.
- Michael Hocter
Hey Thomas, you mentioned that you had your first 5D stolen. How did that happen, and what do you do differently now?
- Dave Roth
Dave, I had my 5D stolen in the Bahamas. I had it in my backpack and wrapped the backpack in a towel under a chair that I was sitting in at what I thought was a fairly safe resort with security. I was watching my kids at the pool and went in just for a second thinking I was keeping a pretty good eye on it. Later that night when I opened my backpack I realized it was gone. :( I'm even more careful now watching it.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks for the follow-up. I definitely don't want to become a victim.
- Dave Roth
Shey: In a nice bag. I use a Crumpler messenger bag for day outings, and a Crumpler backpack for traveling.
- Tom Harrison
Thomas: I had a compact camera pick-pocketed from me in Belgium. A Mediterranean guy pretended to do a martial arts move on me while shaking my right hand. His left hand pulled my camera out of my velcro case (I now use clip/zipper cases), and I didn't know for a few blocks. I checked my wallet & pockets for lost money immediately, but was new to carrying a camera. He was SMOOTH, very impressive... Our US thieves aren't so classy - just a knife or gun. ;-(
- Mitchell Tsai
Unfortunately, if I forget my camera, I'll have to settle for my cameraphone. It's not too bad, actually, with the right lighting and some fixups in Photoshop.
- Morton Fox
I carry a PowerShot S3 IS with me whenever I go out, and make sure it's always on a zipper bag slung around my shoulders. I'm pretty good at this - am yet to lose it once, though I once dropped it out of a moving bus (later jumped out of said moving bus and recovered it).
- Yuvi
Photographer Takes Pictures at the Port of Los Angeles and Has Two FBI Agents Show Up at His House Asking Questions - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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today must be the day for photographer harassment. Yet another case.
- Thomas Hawk
Wow. So paranoid. No wonder they didn't want Dubai to acquire the ports.
- Morton Fox
Welcome to the new police state.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
from Alert Thingy
I was almost confiscated of my Cam a year ago when I accidentally turned my camera towards two policemen who were on duty, but slouching off and making small talk instead of regulating traffic. I didn't even intend to shoot 'em: I was taking pics of a nearby port, and was just reviewing my pics. They pretty much threatened me until I used my student journalist card to get out of the place.
- Yuvi
Believe me, when you are 15, 2 hefty policemen cornering you alone and looking at you like they'll chew threw you is no fun
- Yuvi
Is It Better to Eat Locally or Eat Differently? - http://www.npr.org/templat...
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Also, aithne asks if I have a bear-shaped void in my life. I did, I fill it with gummi bears.
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