The FriendFeed flaming departure- an episodic in which we profile various online personas and their arc of introduction, infatuation, obsession, anger, frustration, and departure.
Are you talking about the rants about people deleting their accounts and then coming back?
- CW™
CW, you've been on here as long as me- I'm sure you've seen a fair share, like I have.
- anna sauce
Are we turning this into a documentary, or a soap opera?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Joe, I actually don't blame the community. There are individuals that - during the election period- I learned about in a new way, and I unsubscribed. And blocked. And, problem went away. Whenever anyone has these flaming departures (minus @directeur) I think they just don't know how to use the tool.
- anna sauce
used to happen in newsgroups and forums - the same patterns now move to social networks - if only more publicly (note: I didnt see any of it, but I can imagine)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
the hate directed at people who leave and come back gets real old, real fast.
- Jim Hearts FF
directeur left and came back- and in that time he built a new tool that solved the problem that he thought the site had. If that's not a constructive channelling of frustration, I don't knwo what is, lol.
- anna sauce
Once in a while I go to YouTube comments to see the real vitriol
- anna sauce
hate is just about never a constructive channelling of anything - but it is easier online when you havent met the people to behave in nasty ways you never would do in person
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Anna, Being on social sites as long as we have, we see this like every 3 months. Its nothing new. Its nothing old. Its as it is, human nature. I personally find the bitch sessions about people leaving and coming back annoying, but like you all said its a good Drama fest for the moment and quite entertaining to see people cry and whine over things they have no control over or really any...
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- CW™
Hey if you need to leave someplace for you to be better, then please do it. Your mental and emotional well being is more important then anything. If I wanted to keep in touch with you, I can find a way some other services. :) If you want to keep in touch with me, then I'm open on all sorts of ways to be contacted.
- CW™
That is right CW - I don't need FF to stay in touch w/ whomever but I am tired of seeing people mobbed into leaving too.
- Joe
Joe, Yeah that is pretty petty in my book. I do sometimes want to know why someone left, but its just as I said, I hope they are doing better by leaving. That is ultimately more important. I do understand why the mobs complain too, its a anger on their part 1) They are angry their social FF experience will be cut by the persons departure. Cause no matter if your post is liked or...
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- CW™
Not to be a told-you-so, but the minute I saw Holden join with his name, "god of FF" based on absolutely nothing, I had a feeling his personality type might go the route of the quick flame.
- anna sauce
As someone who's deleted their account before and come back, I don't see what the big deal is. This social networking stuff isn't that serious, and to me the drama is just humorous.
- Cristo
got to go find the old flame war character types list, from the newsgroup days - wonderful stuff
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
+++Joelle + Flame Warriors. there are at least one of each of those active right now on FF and you can just about predict their departures too. EDIT: But most are here for the duration.
- Carlos Ayala
LOL oh that is funny: a new term for me, fits perfect, Jung would've loved Holden. These episodes still interest me, as often as they play out, FF is like a "Lord of the Flies" psychological case study. Holden's was particularly amusing as it played out like a High School Drama, for example, I LM-ASS-O when one of those involved DM'd a person to tell me they didn't like me- ughhh, the...
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- sofarsoShawn
For the record, I've never engaged anyone in an effort to run them off. Secondly—and you can verify this from the people who know me offline—, I'm pretty much the same online as I am away from the computer. Third, although I may get into it with people from time-to-time, I never actively seek people out in other people's threads to randomly start shit with them; I may attack the topic...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
No no no, don't say that! You've been blessed!
- sofarsoShawn
I don't buy into the belief that people can be "run off" a service or "forced to quit". FF has plenty of features to change your interaction if you're having issues with other users. You can simply walk away from posts you don't like, use the hide button, or block the person. You can make your feed private. You can unsubscribe from people and subscribe to other people. If someone gets...
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- Rochelle
I like to delete my account to remove all the content. It's a side effect that it removes all my subscriptions and subscribers too. :) Also, I agree largely with Akiva, except that he is wrong when he argues with me. P.S. Wall-E sucked. :P
- Cristo
Okay, I've changed my mind. I support running Cristo off.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I also don't believe people are "run off" from Friendfeed. I've seen some people delete their account 3 or 4 times and then come back a week later. Attention seekers who love to be fawned over when they make their return.
- Alan Simpson
Some would accuse anyone who uses social media sites like FriendFeed as "attention seekers", and I didn't delete my account for attention, although others may have.
- Cristo
I didn't delete mine for attention either (quite the opposite). Frankly, this post annoys me a bit. Why is frustration and anger any less of a valid reason to leave than anything else? We're not robots (except for Mo, of course).
- Jason Huebel
Also, I fully support Cristo's comment about Wall-E. It sucked. Like a Hoover. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Jason - Maybe I should clarify - I only have an issue with people who continually jump into divisive arguments, get their feelings hurt, delete their account, wait a week or two, come back with an announcement that they are back, accept fawning, lather, rinse repeat.
- Alan Simpson
There's a little bit of "dish it, can't take it" going on with those peaks, I have to say.
- anna sauce
It's really been great! I am happy for him. I am always trying to get people to watch The Soup too.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
all like I'm happy for him like I know him or something. I am not a weird celebrity person I just like him on the soup and I was disappointed about the IT crowd us pilot.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
lol. I'm so happy for my dear friend Joel! No, I know what you mean. And I love the soup, too, watch it when I can.
- Sarah is Novembery
"Seattle based Redfin, an online real estate startup, has raised another $10 million in a venture capital round led by Greylock Partners. Existing investors Madrona Venture Group, Draper Fisher Jurvetson, Vulcan Capital and The HIllman Company all participated in the round, and Greylock’s James Slavet joins the Redfin board of directors. This was a safety round, as Redfin announced profitability over the summer and have now exceeded a $20 million in revenue run rate (it was just $15 million last summer). They’ve roughly quadrupled in size since 2008, even in a down real estate market."
- Jeff P. Henderson
from Bookmarklet
Redfin by far has the best iPhone app of any real estate app out there. It blows Zillow out of the water as far as ease of use and accuracy of data.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Anthony is honored to have just met - and exchanged courtesies with - the President of the United States. And that was, as the kids say, pretty effin’ cool.
you promised us you'd say some dramatic line to him, did ya panic and go with "wussup?"
- Steve C
@Steve: actually no, I cried like a little girl and peed myself, as is my longstanding personal tradition whenever meeting current or former Heads of State. It's simply good protocol; they seem to love it...
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Somehow I believe you, Anthony but still - pics or it didn't happen!
- WorldofHiglet
@WoH: "somehow?" ha, gee thanks! There are no pics of this one, I'm afraid (although there are almost surely pool pics of me at the ropeline early in the night) and believe me it bugs me more than the rest o' yaz. Hopefully @ the next one I get a proper photo op.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
@ahsan: dinner at the Beverly Hilton last night. (sorry, overlooked your q.)
- Anthony Citrano
:) You LA folk have personal photographers documenting your every move don't you?!? Don't tell me that not true because I saw it on the tv....Anyway, it must have been a very special moment. I hope you didn't cry and pee too much o_O
- WorldofHiglet
Cooler than that Best of Day thread about jock itch?
- Matthew DeVries
@charlie: about my personal moment (A: right here), or about the President coming to LA? (A: just about anywhere; pick your media poison.)
- Anthony Citrano
SO, can you tell us a little more about other than the wetting/crying?
- WorldofHiglet
Even though I can't stand Obama, I have to admit, your getting to meet the president is pretty cool.
- Joey Gibson
@WoH - I don't think I'll get into the blow-by-blow here (there's absolutely nothing of substance anyway.) However, I will almost surely draw on the experience for a future article.
- Anthony Citrano
Well I hope you do deign to share some little details with us sometime. When you can be bothered. In other news, did you see the new YouTube video from the WhiteHouseTV entitled "OMG!!!!! I met Anthony Citrano!!!!! For REALS!!!!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I hear it's going viral....
- WorldofHiglet
WoH: don't make fun o' me! we've already determined I cry easily. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Ooopsie - my bad. I forgot you were such a delicate little flower :)
- WorldofHiglet
If you shook his hand, you have been changed. : )
- Phil Boiarski
@Phil - I did twice. Should I not have showered? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
"The TV show may be on hiatus until December, but the Dollhouse crew is still releasing tantalizing nuggets from the show's universe. The latest viral marketing campaign offers more clues as to how the Rossum Corporation's mindwipe apocalypse begins. Yesterday, the website for the Rossum Corporation — the nefarious technology company that operates the Dollhouses — launched. On its face, it's a standard corporate website, touting the remarkable abilities of Rossum's technological advances. It also outlines the terms and conditions for becoming a Rossum client, and includes a response to Senator Daniel Perrin's allegations of illegal and unethical activities perpetrated by Rossum. But the rabbit hole goes a bit deeper. One of the posters at Whedonesque called Rossum's corporate phone number and received a call back, ordering them to "Ditch the tech." "
- RAPatton
Ummm do I need to remind you people of MASH's Ending?
- CW™
I'm sorry, I'm about the biggest M*A*S*H fan you will find on here, and I will tell you straight up that the finale sucked. They took a character and turned it completely on its ear and then used that as they fulcrum for the rest of the finale. I think elements of the finale were wonderful...but I think they were also too little too late. Charles and the musicians...that was beautiful...
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- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Sopranos had one of the most frustrating endings of all time.
- CW™
Newhart and SFU both fully understood not only their audiences, but also their characters and stories and the intricacies of the little universes they'd built. Rather than just turn everything on its ear in the finale like so many other shows, they wrapped everything thing up by almost coming full-circle. It wasn't sappy, it wasn't silly, it wasn't facepalm-worthy. It was honest, earnest, good writing and nice for the fans and the shows to get the respect they deserved.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Sopranos finale was nice, and I always enjoy a good cliffhanger, but I think it did a great disservice to the fans as well as to the characters. It felt less like an artistic decision and more like a potential opening left for future exploitation. Boo.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
tinypants, I need to dig it up but someone wrote a wonderful analysis of the Sopranos finale that compared it with a Catholic Death Mass (such as them eating small onion rings in one bite like they were receiving communion and whatnot). It pretty much convinced me that it ended the way it did because Tony Soprano was our view into that world and we he was killed at the very end, so were we.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I like that interpretation, Akiva. It makes a LOT more sense in that respect. However, I wouldn't give enough credit to the writers to come up with that concept. I still think it was their way of leaving a potential for revisiting in the future. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I can't even think of another series finale I've liked, but the movie of Dead Like Me was decent. I'd love to see another season of Carnivale with a finale, though.
- Steve Lowe
The movie of Dead Like Me was fun but not the closure I was looking for. I miss that series so much. Carnivale...that is a series I mourn almost daily. *sigh*
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
from iPhone
There was a persisting rumor that there was going to be a Carnivàle movie but Daniel Knauf said that there was too much story to cover in just two hours so then there was talk of a two-part, four-hour 'mini series' to end the series. The script supposedly is written and all the needed actors are on board for it but it never got out of development, as far as I know. At this point, I'd be happy with a Blu-ray set.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Me too, Akiva. I just remember feeling horsekicked when it was canceled, because us fans knew there was amazing stuff ahead, and we'd invested so much time and energy into the series to that point. That show was amazing and I don't think HBO ever really understood how much. I get that the show cost a lot to produce, but had they stuck it out, it would have paid off with the next four seasons that would have drawn in better and better ratings.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I'm sitting here with tears running down my face, and I haven't even watched a single episode of Six Feet Under. I pieced together what was happening as I watched this. That was just about as gut-wrenching as the end of the book The World According to Garp, which was very similar to this. That wasn't the greatest book ever, but the end of that made me cry, too.
- Kamilah Gill
Oh I cry every time I watch it. In fact, some friends and I had a finale party the night it aired, and I thought I'd be fine with just a few tears...ended up bawling like a baby. :) Alan Ball and his team knew their show very well, and knew how to bring it all back home for us. Every episode began with the death of someone (well, except the finale, which began with the birth of Rachel...
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- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I bet I would have been bawling if I really had gotten to know the characters in the show. Even that snippet gave me enough information. What affected me was the music plus the imagery, and the finality of the dates, and the fact that they're set in the future, where my own and my friends' and family's ending dates will be. I was very saddened by the young man being gunned down on his job.
- Kamilah Gill
tinypants, it's bittersweet for me because Carnivàle was cancelled so that Rome could be funded and Rome is one of my favorite series. In fact, I prefer it, Carnivàle, The Wire, and Six Feet Under to The Sopranos.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm so glad that I waited and watched the whole series, one episode after another, over a two month period after it had all been released on DVD. It floored me and I've not looked at television the same way since. SFU is one of the greatest series ever given up on television. I wept at the finale and still get seriously choked up watching this clip.
- Christopher Harley
I cannot listen to Sia's 'Breathe Me' without getting choked up. It was especially tough as I used 'dance mixes' of it as the final track of the first Fatmouse mix. I had to listen to it repeatedly as I mixed it through.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva: you have excellent taste in television, sir. :) And I'm the same way with "Breathe Me". I made a mix CD with that song on it for vacation a couple years ago and the song came around and I got all choked up and felt silly until I realized that everyone else in the car was also choked up. LOL
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I agree! And the title sequence was produced by a group here in Seattle. If I recall correctly, that tree is still where they put it on that hill.
- Akiva Moskovitz
"Hi there, you're part of a beta group receiving this feature, which means you may start seeing retweets in a new way. People who don't have this yet will see your retweets prefaced by "RT"."
- Mike Reynolds
from Bookmarklet
"The data supports the notion that younger people are more supportive of gay marriage than older people. I also think it’s interesting that, even in states that we normally consider quite hostile to gay rights (the ones at the bottom of the table), there is still a significant age difference: 18-29 year-olds in Alabama, for example, are more supportive of gay marriage than people 65 and older in Massachusetts. So, while we like to think about states as “liberal” or “conservative,” spreading out the data by age tells a much more complicated story."
- Jim Norris
from Bookmarklet
It'd be interesting to find out if preferences for the *same set* of people change as they age. If no, then all we have to do to improve same-sex rights is wait for a generation or two to snuff it. If yes, then it's a little harder.
- Aaron D'Souza
Would like to see a graph with "has internet" (do younger people more frequently use/ more regularly access the internet?)
- Philipp Lenssen
Waiting a "generation or two" isn't going to do a whole lot for the gay community now. This is particularly true for elderly gay and lesbian individuals who are facing mortality and unable to secure inheritances etc for their partners.
- Soup
My guess is that open-mindedness comes with actually knowing people who are gay/lesbian/etc. and realizing that it's an inescapable part of who they are and just a different manifestation of the same powerful feelings of love and commitment that everyone feels. It also probably has to do with marriage being defined as a romantic notion these days rather than a more economic and social framework in the past. As evidence for this, I have nothing.
- Jim Norris
And I may not be the strongest gay-marriage supporter out there by any means... I mean, I'm ok with it and think it should be allowed, but only as long as I don't have to get gay married myself.
- Jim Norris
Ah, so Jim, you support "weak" gay marriage, not "strong" gay marriage.
- Stephen Mack
Interesting. So even if attitudes by age remain constant, in 20 years, the 18 states from Pennsylvania up will be strongly pro gay-marriage, but the 22 states from Wyoming on down will remain opposed, even 40 years hence.
- j1m
And of course, the prediction is that attitudes by age will be far from remaining constant. Indeed attitudes toward gays seem to have made almost all of their progress in the last 15 years, afaict.
- j1m
Yeah. LOL. I just made it official, like in the Thriller video...except that I didn't turn into a werewolf and chase her through the woods....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Not fair that the lady gets to wear a fancy ring before we even do the church thing. What's the point of being engaged if you can't flaunt it? LOL. Thanks everyone :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Congratulations, Rahsheen! I had a similar thought for Harold when he gave me my ring: "Gee, kind of unfair the guy doesn't get to wear something too until the wedding."
- Kamilah Gill
Omg I love it! Lately I've been doing more wireframes than actual mockups, and I wanted them to be team-editable as well, so I was using Google Doc's drawing tool. This is way better. Great find!
- Jess Lee
It's Hypercard! (edit: no it's not)
- Hayes Haugen
Anyone had experience with Balsamiq? Wondering how mockingbird compares
- Adam Kazwell
Nice, but I don't think many clients are going to enjoy being told to 'just upgrade to a PROPER browser!' when they discover they can't view the wireframes in IE
- Duncan
"Proper: Of the required type; suitable or appropriate" Could have chosen a less aggressive word, but it sounds like IE isn't a browser of the required type, so the word is technically correct in this context. The question of whether IE *should* be improper is another matter.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think it's a case of whether it's a proper browser or not, regardless of the definition; the usefulness of the app would be somewhat stunted if one half of team have problems using it. Or at least, I hope I'm not the only one who's had clients who still use IE6, and, for one reason or another, can't upgrade. Anyway, I'll shut up now, this is beta software, just hope that moving forward, they at least support IE8!
- Duncan
There is no sane reason to be developing software for IE6 anymore as it's past for even Microsoft. Yeah, they still make some random updates to it but if some companies are stuck with IE6 (for other reasons than having some software that are binded to that specific version) some might ask if their security policy is working or not.
- Daniel Schildt
It's good to develop software that works in most browsers but there is no good reason go get stuck in the past while creating something totally new. Mockingbird is meant as development tool and if some client does not want to have properly working browser, it's their problem. Wireframes are just the beginning part of UI development so there isn't need that have this kind of software working in ancient browsers (as if developers would still mainly develop everything first for IE6...).
- Daniel Schildt
Smart move (maybe) - if Google is paying Twitter to get their content, why shouldn't Google be paying others as well? News Corp is a big entity - is it a loss for Google to lose all that content or a loss for News Corp?
- Jesse Stay
from Bookmarklet
Good, it would save me the trouble of having to look to see if something comes from Murdoch's entities. I doubt this will actually happen, though.
- Rob H.
Sorry but most people won't even realize that News Corp content is missing. People will search and they'll find other sites. Sorry, the unibrow of the web wins.
- AJ Kohn
So if I link to a News Corp article via Twitter... will that tweet not be searchable?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, they can block Google spider from news corp sites but twitter will still be indexed as usual.
- Amit Morson
Would be a good move if News Corp carried ALL the news (sorry for allcaps). But there are plenty of others wanting for Google love.
- Mike Reynolds
When Murdoch and his kind get together to set a price, the Government will step in to stop what is obvious price fixing. His threat is hollow, they won't set a price.
- Wallace
Calacanis suggested he do this???? It figures....
- Roberto Bonini
He was saying the top ten news oranizations should get together and make an offer to Bing... but that Rupert was likely the only one with the balls to do it; and that Google set a precedent by paying Twitter to index their content. :o)
- Ken Morley
It's curious that he would say search engine referral visitors aren't desired by advertisers.
- Rob Sterling
Only way to make money from your content is to control it from the beginning. News Corp gave it away in several ways on the internet, including allowing Google search to go through their websites. Now that it has happened, if they choose to close off key avenues of information to go out to the users that are now used to getting their information a certain way, will backfire beyond...
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- CW™
One word, "Antitrust." Or is that two words? The bulk Twitter feed apparently was not available to the public or it would have already been searched by Google. If content is available to the public now for free, I don't know how you are going to exclude some member of the public (Google) from accessing that content without creating a legal problem.
- Jimmy Walker
I love moves that make old media harder to get to, driving those bastards farther behind their walls, marginalizing their impact even further. It makes just that much more space to allow the future to get her sooner.
- Matthew DeVries
I guess new media won't kill old media after all. Old media will simply commit suicide.
- Victor Ganata
And Jason just sent around an email newsletter explaining. I'd post it but its Copyrighted.
- Roberto Bonini
Why is he "talking about it"? Couldn't a quick change to the robots.txt file (which Google and legitimate search robots obey) exclude Google?
- Brian Sullivan
Jason get rich by flux, it doesn't matter to him who wins, as long as there is change, upheaval and instability. Flat markets are Satan that he must fight. It does not surprise me that he advocates points of view that represent a sea change in the industry. It matters not to him whether new media or old media wins, just that there is a decade of fighting.
- Matthew DeVries
For sure they want to be' payd as Twitter, the move to exit from the index is a suicide about advertising, by now it guarantee 100000 imp x day (It's in the answer of google to Murdock).
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
from iPhone
No way would I bench Welker this week. Are those your only two receivers?
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks guys. My third is Reggie Wayne who has been a STUD. I would have a hard time sitting him against Houston. Thoughts?
- Chris Greene
Well, I think Welker's good for 8-10 catches, 100-150yds and a TD or better every week. Austin's had a couple big games but came back down to earth some against Seattle. Wayne killed SF but only had 1 TD and blowing out the Rams he had <100 yds and just one TD... I think I'd actually keep Welker in for dependability and bet on Austin...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - you still think that Reggie at home in the dome vs Miles at Philly playing the hardcore Eagles - DF?
- Chris Greene
I think we can all agree on Welker now, the question remains Reggie or Miles?
- Chris Greene
Actually...no... Wayne's probably the "safer" pick, even if he still might be a little slow dealing with the groin injury and with Clark and Collie getting a bunch of touches. Austin's a longer shot. If he's really going to be Romo's go-to guy and if they win, he'll probably have a great day. But that's a couple "ifs" in a row...
- Ken Sheppardson
Dallas/Philly match-up is always a war - so Austin could go off or go blank.
- AJ Kohn
Yah, I'm inclined to start Reggie. Even the last two weeks with some injuries he's man'd up and performed well. Eagles D at home scares me. I think the fans may rush the field if Romo starts going crazy and start crackin' skulls. They are already bitter over the World Series and if the Yanks win it before Sunday I don't think the secret service could even guarantee the safety of a visiting team.
- Chris Greene
...Welker + Brady = more potential points than Austin alone, plus Cowboys have a big game against Philly, and in big games in November and December, Romo is not reliable: had him on my team previous two seasons: you love him in September and October, he fades when games get really big. 2 cents.
- .LAG liked that
Ugh. My day was ugly. I went with Welker and Reggie Wayne. Both had terrible days. No TD's between the two of them and only Welker had the yardage. In retrospect Miles would have been the right choice (Reggie = 4 points, Wes = 8 points, Miles = 13 points).
- Chris Greene
Well as an old prof of mine used to say "You can't judge the quality of a decision by the outcome." If you sell your house and empty your bank accounts and use the money to buy lottery tickets, even if you win $100M it was a really dumb thing to do. Austin had *one* catch, and it wasn't until the fourth quarter. For 45 minutes you'd made the right choice. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
They're wasteful, and a large percentage just create work and re-gifting for the recipient because they aren't what they want. Not to mention the wasted effort on the giver's part.
- Cristo
It's the thought that counts. And the thought should be not to waste and not to burden.
- Cristo
I'm the opposite — I *don't* want comments indexed because at the moment most search engines treat the guest's words and links as being my own.
- Amit Patel
Now that JavaScript is required for so many web sites, it seems odd that search engines are stuck looking at the static, served HTML.
- Bill Strathearn
I'd be afraid of search engines executing Javascript and indexing produced HTML. On the other hand, if it requests a PHP page, there's execution of code and generation of HTML, so that seems pretty similar. It's just a matter of where the code is executed. Maybe Google Caja makes it okay to run the Javascript in their crawlers.
- Amit Patel
Amit, isn't that particularly a concern with snippets? I know that's a challenging and frustrating issue! But in many cases, I've seen the content of comments for one of my blog entries to be not only substantially more voluminous but also, frankly, often more interesting than the entry itself, and it's clear that I end up getting a lot of relevant & high quality traffic to these entries from search engines *because* of those spiderable comments.
- Adam Lasnik
Should you receive "credit" (in the form of traffic) for another persons writing?
- EricaJoy
A more relevant question, IMHO, is whether the content is an appropriate match for a given search query. If someone searches for "etrade problems" and there are a ton of people ranting about specific problems about etrade in one of my blog entries, isn't that page likely a good result for that query? The idea of "credit" I believe is outdated. Who should receive "credit" for wikipedia...
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- Adam Lasnik
WRT "credit" being outdated, the fact remains that people are doing any and everything in the hopes of generating more traffic for their sites (hello entire SEO industry). Now, I am most certainly a fan of having relevant information surfaced in search results, however, I would prefer the relevant information show up directly instead of having to read through your blog post, then a...
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- EricaJoy
I see your point, but I respectfully disagree with both the premise and solutions. In particular, I feel that there's a high correlation between high quality comments and high quality original posts; it typically takes dedication and thoughtfulness for a blogger to create and maintain a strong community, so in that way, why shouldn't he or she get some "credit" for others' postings (so, too, with a forum). Also, I feel that your solution would too painfully remove context and flow.
- Adam Lasnik
(with that said, though, I understand and appreciate your frustration with regards to creating crap "content" just to rank, e.g., blackhat SEO. And in this regard, I think search engine efforts to better identify and reward quality authorship is a good thing in the long run).
- Adam Lasnik
True about creating a community on a blog and maybe there needs to be some way of measuring and indexing activity on a website where activity is measured by comments or some other method of engagement (poll votes, etc).
- EricaJoy
from IM
"A laser-powered robotic climber has won $900,000 in a competition designed to spur technology for a future elevator to space. Building a space elevator would require anchoring a cable on the ground near Earth's equator and deploying the other end thousands of kilometres into space. The centrifugal force due to Earth's spin would keep the cable taut so that a robot could climb it and release payloads into orbit. Though building a space elevator might require an initial investment of billions of dollars, proponents say once constructed, it would make for cheaper trips into space than is possible using rockets. But huge technological hurdles must first be overcome, including how to supply power to the robotic climber. To that end, NASA offered $2 million in prize money in a competition called the Power Beaming Challenge, in which robotic climbers, powered wirelessly from the ground, attempt to ascend a cable as fast as possible. Now, a robotic climber has made a prize-winning ascent...
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- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"On Wednesday, LaserMotive fired up its laser, powering the climber to ascend 900 metres up a cable suspended from a helicopter at Edwards Air Force Base in Mojave, California. The climber reached the top in just over 4 minutes, for an average speed of 3.7 metres per second. The team's climber repeated the feat at a slightly higher speed of 3.9 metres per second on Thursday. On Friday,...
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- RAPatton
Wow, I didn't realize they had advanced this far with the idea.
- Jason Huebel
from Android
My brother-in-law, the ultimate geek, led the Lasermotive team. He is literally on cloud nine this weekend.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The downside is that it required support from the conference organizers to set up.
- Ryan Moulton
Nailed it. We recently had an internal conference at Google, with many sessions going on at once. Almost immediately, and without real coordination, a number of people started "live waving" their notes. Even better, people would "pinch hit" these waves, so that when the first note taker went for coffee or to the restroom, someone was there to take over. It worked remarkably well.
- Joel Webber
@Ryan: I think the article was saying that the conference organizers *did* set up some waves. But this is definitely not a strict requirement. What we found was that while sometimes multiple note takers would start at the same time, they would get naturally coalesced fairly quickly once people started noticing the duplication. I suspect that in a larger group their *would* be multiple waves for a given session, probably one for each natural cluster in the social graph.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. That brings up another interesting question. How often is the social graph at a large conference a connected component. :) I guess at the least you could make your wave public and use twitter to advertise it to everyone else.
- Ryan Moulton
Very good points. re: connectedness and discovery... I think as Wave becomes more ubiquitous and people become more familiar and comfortable with it, there'll be a natural tendency to both search for and create public waves. Or, as was done at the Enterprise 2.0 conference, someone actually created a public master wave of sorts linking to the other waves about the conference. Didn't get mass adoption, but was useful and interesting nonetheless.
- Adam Lasnik
For most conference live-blogging, it would make sense just to add the Blog-bot to it, thus making it public, and let anyone write to it. But of course conference organizers do have lists of participants.
- j1m
If "user data is sacred", and "user time is precious", then why do we still put up with archaic file systems and implementations of them that are more than happy to corrupt data silently, or otherwise decay over time; and bloated, inefficient software with awful UIs that were seemingly designed to frustrate users?
1. Because making things better requires more than just an awareness of how things suck? 2. The resources required to update archaic file systems, etc. are resources which could be used in an alternate manner, and people do chose to use those resources on some other goal. 3. Because there is fortunately no "we" that can just put it's foot down and say "Everyone - update your archaic file systems and switch to this UI, or you will feel our wrath!". There's a few possibilities.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Valid points there, SuezanneC Baskerville. Of course, I don't expect overnight transitions, or even miracles - after all, I'm used to being disappointed, and hearing news of vapourware that was supposedly going to revolutionise everything...
- Tyson Key
Designing good software is hard, designing good UI can be REALLY hard. One of the bigger problems with UI is no two consecutive users will even agree on what is good and bad. You can get users to agree that a UI is good when its finished and they see it and it is good, but the process to getting there when starting from scratch is really hard. Good UI designers are under appreciated artists of the software development world and most of them seem to be at Apple.
- Ed Millard
The problem with bloated and inefficient is that most software starts life being designed for functionality, as in we want it to do this, and then at the end of its life cycle the goal is getting all the bugs out. Performance and bloat are frequently pushed to the bottom of the priority list, unless performance is critical to market success which it often isn't.
- Ed Millard
After all, we're still using the abomination that is the FAT family of file systems, decades after their introduction for interchange purposes, despite superior technologies being developed in that space of time... (Just an example).
- Tyson Key
What FS are you proposing as an interchange standard? I think FAT is still dominant because Windows is still dominant and Microsoft wont adopt anything it didn't invent which mostly leaves FAT and NTFS. FAT is a lot simpler than NTFS and you generally want simple for interchange and something being integrated in a lot of consumer electronics.
- Ed Millard
Hmm. Tyson, A switch to a different filesystem (for example a journaling one, or one that incorporates various forms of fault-tolerance) would do *nothing* to fix UI problems (even paradigmatic ones). You're talking about two mostly unrelated problems, except insofar as they are both exacerbated by the momentum of user behavior and acceptance.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I know. I never said that they were related, and I guess that I mis-phrased my initial post. It was intended as food for thought, though.
- Tyson Key
@Ed - UDF is more than suitable, although of course, persuading vendors and users alike to switch would be an impossible task, as mentioned.
- Tyson Key
On the subject of performance tuning, and bloat reduction, a lot of things have been proposed in the past, although they haven't always yielded viable results. Naturally, it doesn't help that "bloat" is subjective, or that hardware development is progressing at a markedly different pace, either.
- Tyson Key
We've tried "hyper-modularity" previously with microkernel-based OSes, component-based document creation technology (e.g. OpenDoc), and client-server software architectures, amongst other things, in the hope that "bloat" can be reduced, and performance/reliability can be increased, and the plans backfired in various ways. (Developers and users either decried the results as "slow", "clunky" or as generally being difficult to develop with)...
- Tyson Key
UDF seems possible, though they seem to be marketing it only as a standard for optical media. Its not clear if it would be a good fit for Flash drives, though maybe it is. If the Wikipedia chart is correct it appears there is sufficient OS support for 1.5 it could be a standard. The next battle would presumably to get device makers to support it(i.e. cameras, phone), and there could be inertia there.
- Ed Millard
It makes the most sense from a compatibility perspective, given that Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris and a number of reasonably cheap devices support it well, and that it's possible to use it on Flash and magnetic media (as Iomega have done in the past with Jaz disks and their Rev product line).
- Tyson Key
Sadly, Microsoft were predictably slow to jump on the bandwagon with non-optical support - formatting support was added to Windows Vista, but is only exposed as an argument to a CLI utility, and said implementation is incompatible with most other implementations, due to a non-standard quirk/defect that may have been added in an attempt to sabotage interoperability with other implementations...
- Tyson Key
Barring a few low-quality implementations on the Windows platform by third-parties, UDF happens to support metadata from various OSes natively in a safe manner (i.e. implementations that don't know how to manipulate a piece of metadata will simply ignore it, but will also add their own, if necessary - as happens when sharing a volume between Linux and Mac OS X).
- Tyson Key
Since Microsoft won its FAT patents in 2006, I think their goal was to make FAT licensing a revenue stream, a means for influencing the device market, and to annoy competitors like Linux and Mac. It would be like them to intentionally obstruct UDF for purely business reasons. Let's hope the Supreme Court case on process patents ends some of this madness soon, though I wouldn't count on it.
- Ed Millard
It's a shame that some will actively subvert standards, and aim to deliberately prevent any chance of natural interoperability occurring. C'est la vie, though. :(
- Tyson Key
It doesn't help that Microsoft are planning on unleashing yet another, patent-infested FAT variant upon the world, in the form of exFAT, either - which is planned for use in the upcoming SDXC Flash media standard. I believe that people are working on reverse-engineering it, though.
- Tyson Key
Well I guess we answered one of your original questions. We end up with bad technology sometimes because there are big, powerful, companies who have a vested interest in and profit off it. Microsoft certainly isn't the only one, they've just historically been the best at it.
- Ed Millard
We really appreciate for the great review! We are currently working toward organizing stream by relevance. Also, we are releasing the API and RSS feed very soon. So you can view your filtered stream anywhere!
- Frank Wang
"Our current lack of health insurance for all is a national disgrace. But so are our handgun laws - or lack of them. You'd think you might have heard a bit more about our heedless national pistolero mentality in the wall-to-wall TV coverage of the tragic shootings at Fort Hood this week. But no such luck. How many times have we seen this movie before? It's only the locations that change. There was only scant mention in all the coverage that suspected mass murderer Nidal Hasan had bought his lethal cop-killer handgun at "Guns Galore" in nearby Killeen, Texas. How charming."
- Neal Jansons
from Bookmarklet
While I understand the second amendment, I am for very strict regulation of gun ownership. Then again, maybe even easier access to handguns will solve some of the health care problems /sarcasm
- Rene Wirtz
I understand it and think it is functionally obsolete. These aren't militias ready to defend their towns, these are people with a cowboy/rambo fantasy. I don't even see what the nutcases really think their little peashooters are going to accomplish vs. the government in their little "tree of liberty" scenario. What good is few rednecks with SKS's vs. killer drones and the US army? If...
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- Neal Jansons
I agree. It's all and only mentality. The guns per capita in countries like Canada or Switzerland may be higher than that in the US, but incidents with guns are very rare.
- Rene Wirtz
However, I do think there are more important national delusions to worry about. The most dangerous is the narcissistic patriotism that states that, magically, "MY country is the best country in the world! Why? Because I was born there!" Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. As every developed nation in the world overtakes us in every possible metric except military, the rambo-wannabes keep...
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- Neal Jansons
But but but ... how can you say the US is not the best country in the world!?! ;-) I think, in a way, every citizen of every country on earth thinks their country is the best. What is lacking in a major way in the US is critical thinking. Since politicians and media keep repeating that the US is the best people believe it without even remotely thinking about questioning it.
- Rene Wirtz
But they shouldn't believe that. That's a holdover from feudalism and divine right to rule. Where someone is born is luck, and so long as they believe there is some sort of inherent determinism that made someone be born in the US and another person be born in Mexico, those people can justify the idea that somehow the person in the poorer/less developed country "deserves it"....
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- Neal Jansons
It's part education, part laziness. I was brought up to question everything without regard of who or what I was questioning, just as long as I remained respectful while questioning. Nowadays, questioning anything American is deemed unpatriotic and that's because the neocon propaganda has been "brainwashing" US citizens since the end of WWII, ie guns are good, socialism is evil, abortion is murder, women are inequal to men, bottom line is be all end all.
- Rene Wirtz
Nowadays? Not really...before "the terrorists!" it was "the communists!", then it was "the unionists!", then before that it was the "foreign powers" behind the evil "immigrants" and so on and so forth. Never forget this country was founded by Puritans, eager to "purify".
- Neal Jansons
Again, agreed, and it seems those puritanical voices are getting louder and louder (both literally and figuratively). But what they don't seem to grasp is that the "progressive" cat is out of the bag and there's no way to get it back in the bag. Society has changed, access to information has changed, perceptions have changed. The puritans/conservatives/regressives are fighting a lost battle, and the sick part is that they are willing to actually battle the change.
- Rene Wirtz
Well, that's a personality and worldview issue. I happen to prefer one side, but I can't really defend a claim that it is somehow objectively right (I am an ethics and epistemological nihilist; I don't believe that knowledge or ethical claims can ever be truly justified, only pragmatically justified from a subjective, situated view). Many conservatives believe, essentially, that there...
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- Neal Jansons
In one of the most dramatic examples I’ve seen of the true reach of hunger in the United States, a new report released this week by Washington University in St. Louis researchers found that 90 percent of black children will be clients of the national Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP/Food Stamps) at least once by the time they turn... - http://misterjt.tumblr.com/post...
I work with the summer version of that program and this past summer, black children were not the highest percentage of kids using the program. (It was for kids whose families are on food stamps to be fed during the summer.) We had 35% black, 45% white, and 15% hispanic.
- Trish R
Yeah, the rest of the article notes that it's 50% of all children will be on SNAP at some point. Hunger in America is a huge problem for all children, not only black children. But it is especially them. As in, 9 out of 10.
- Jason Toney
Yeah, that's very sad. I was just noting our statistics because people seemed so surprised when they came out. I don't think a lot of people realize how big this problem is now.
- Trish R
I showed our toddler a picture of the unicode rotary phone (☎) and he said it was a phone right away. No idea where he would have seen one, but it's not entirely dead lore. Of course, he had no idea what a floppy disk was (the 5.25" was a flashlight and the 3.5" was a drawing)
Didn't know what a cassette tape was either, hah. I remember showing him an old VHS tape I dug out of a box a few months ago: he was all "WHAT IS THIS? OOOOH".
- Matt Mastracci
That is hysterical!... I would have bet the floppy should have more staying power (File - Save).
- Bill Grant
He's almost 4, but he's never really used anything with a toolbar besides a web browser. I'm trying to think of other classical tech that I still have around the house.
- Matt Mastracci
My kids recognize a rotary phone for what it is, but when they see icon on a handset, they say 'cellphone'. My daughter now calls a silhouette of a bird 'Twitter', which amuses me. When my son sees 'facebook' or a font that looks like that one used, he calls it 'facetag'.
- Anika
Matt - yeah, I thought about that... But then again I wouldn't expect him to see a rotary phone either. Anika - Interesting about the facebook font, there are at least 3 logos using that f - facebook, flickr and friendfeed.
- Bill Grant
Bill, it's not the lowercase 'f', it's the specfic font. It can say, "rondelle" and he'll still call it 'facetag'. When I was his age, I know I identified fonts with specific items. It's weird to see him do the same thing. My daughter doesn't do that.
- Anika
Anika- that Twitter/bird thing is hilarious.
- Matt Mastracci
It's weird though, Matt. I'm rarely on the Twitter website, so I can only assume she's seen it when my husband pulls the site up.
- Anika
Oh another odd thing, she recognizes Window icons as anything with red/blue/green/yellow in a squarish formation. She recognizes Tux, but she doesn't recognize Apple items for what they are. If she sees an Apple logo she says 'Snow White'.
- Anika
Floppy disks (at 3.5" stylized ones) are still stupidly used as the "save" icon. And I still see iconography of hardline phones in Comcast advertisements. The distinctive feature of the unicode rotary phone is the receiver position, not the rotary circle on it. I think old style cell phones, the bags or bricks they were, stand out more than old style desk phones. Cell phones date movies, for example, much more.
- Andy Bakun
The 12-digit dialpad is so universal now that even the old luggable cell phones are recognizable by our toddler. He can even pick out the Skype dialpad as "numbers for a telephone". You're right about cell styles dating movies. I love how those old flip Moto Star-tac phones with the red LED display used to be the "cool phone" to have.
- Matt Mastracci
@Matt I think those Startacs are pretty cool... Especially when I just need to make a call in the car and my iPhone is lagging trying to get to the contacts screen.
- Bill Grant
Those Star-Tacs did have a big influence on popular culture. The "low battery" sound of every cell phone on TV still uses that iconic "bee doop" sound from that phone.
- Matt Mastracci
And here's another: I held up a CD disc and they said "movie". It was a music disc. I held up a vinyl record, they said, 'music'. When I mentioned that they listen to music on CDs in the house & the car, they both said, "Oh yeah..."
- Anika