Beautiful Shiba Inu pictures... having seen them at the dog park playing with Kiyomi, and familiar with the Japanese lore about the Shiba as well as the monument outside the Tokyo Metro station, Shiba and Akita are wonderful dogs! Do you have a Shiba?
- Ken & Kiyomi
No, I just love them from afar.
- cecily
from iPhone
Every time there is a thread about it, it ends up being the people who aren't happy with the screaming babies are horrible child hater. But this is a serious question. It seems like it would be better for the babies, parents, and everyone else in public. I'm tired of these threads that make it seem like everyone should be honored to be stuck in an airport terminal with your screaming, tantrum-ing child.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I see both sides of it, but the last time I flew to Cali, I had a baby climbing all over me and the parents thought it was cute. I have two infant nephews,I don't dislike kids entirely, but I'm already uncomfortable flying, that was just a bit much. And it seems like its 50-50, either the kids don't mind the flight at all or they scream the whole time.
- Mary Carmen
Maybe everybody should be tranquilized as they enter the plane and the antidote applied as they exit?
- Brian Sullivan
I'm all for the babies only...not everyone
- Maxamad
I doubt you'll find parents who will willingly tranq their babies.
- ronin
Of course parents would refuse to tranq their babies, that is exactly my point. I'm an asshole for suggesting it. Tranquilize my precious baby! No! They are only expressing themselves! I do tranquilize myself as much as possible on a flight.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Well, my kids know how to act and always get compliments from everyone when we're in flight. Still, I'm down for tranquilizing kids and the idiot parents who let them climb on the seats and scream. I've always shot imaginary blow darts at those people. If they ask me what it meant, they tend to stop being assholes after I tell them. I also shoot fake blow darts at people who talk loudly on a plane.
- Anika
I just tell people to rein in their children before i am forced to take action and parent them myself. Folks tend to grab their kids and glare at me suspiciously, but it shuts the obnoxious ones the heck up. Works for me :)
- The Archangel ωαřмaiden
Lets turn the airplane passenger blow dart gun into reality! I never flew as a baby but I started flying alone when I was six. My mom packed a bag of activity books, snacks, and non-offensive toys (nothing that made noise). I don't think it would have ever occurred to me to run around screaming, but I was probably also secretly doped up on valium.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Archangel there was an article awhile back about a guy who did that at a walmart.. then when the parent didn't make the child stop screaming he slapped her.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Colleen would never smack a kid. Never. I'd smack her first.
- Mary Carmen
And I fully admit I may have run around or something and just forgotten in my old age, but I remember playing with those books, because it was so rare that I would get one and I loved them.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Unless you're going to pay someone who has the ability to intubate a child in-flight because of possible over-tranquilization, it's just not going to happen.
- Victor Ganata
Can we also have a dart gun for people who bring babies to restaurants? I mean, GET A FUCKING SITTER ALREADY JESUS CHRIST. Sorry, we went out before 8pm to dinner yesterday at a casual local restaurant and it was BABY FUCKING CENTRAL. Do babies even LIKE mexican food? WTF?
- Sumotuwe
Edited to add: I don't mind if they are not SCREAMING and throwing food between tables, but there is NO WAY they tipped that waiter enough to clean up queso dip from underneath the entire table for 20 minutes after they left. My heart went out to that dude.
- Sumotuwe
I tend to give babies more leeway on planes than kids since they're babies. Crying is all they know to do if they're upset. I remember the Walmart incident. Not the smartest dude obviously if he thinks the best way to make a kid stop crying is to smack her a couple of times.
- ronin
What Victor said. I considered it when we took Audrey to Texas when she was 3 months old. But what if she had medical problem from being tranquilized or had a reaction to the medication or something? We would be up in the air with no access to an ER. Not something I was willing to risk.
- Rochelle
Sumo, I think it's worse (parenting) when you get a late meal, like at 10pm, and people are bringing babies and children in at that time. It's late, they are cranky, if you're lucky they just fall asleep, but usually they act out. It is so insane to me to see a baby out past 10-11-12 midnight. I know life doesn't end when you have a baby but some shit is ridiculous.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Oh that's ridiculous. We took our kids out to late dinners all the time and they just slept. Most people didn't even realized we had a baby with us.
- Anika
We went to an 11pm viewing of some action movie awhile back and not at the Alamo (which doesn't allow children) but we figured, you know, super late showing = no children. There were at least 8 children in the audience and it was not a sold out show. I think these are the same parents who think it's funny when their child is running around screaming.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Andrea G - I'd *never** touch another person's child. But if they're being obnoxious, I will turn around, glare, and tel them - and their parents - so. Just because there's no limit on who can procreate doesnt mean I cant point out that allowing your child to run screaming through the plane, smash their fists into my chair, or do any similar things in venues like restaurants. I am unamused by dont-give-a-shit parents.
- The Archangel ωαřмaiden
Anika I think your children are the exception to the horrible child rule. I still don't think that anyone under the age of 18 needs to be out after 10pm. ;P
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I think it's also important to note the difference between a baby on a plane who is fussy because of ear pain and being in a strange environment and a toddler/child who is running through the aisles screaming because their parents have no control over them or think it's funny to let them do that. You can't even really compare those situations. Same extends to restaurants and other public places.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, I am completely sympathetic to parents with babies. Also when I say baby I am pretty much referring to anyone younger than me I guess. Babies can't help but scream on planes I know this. I am mostly referring to toddlers who run and scream and their parents are like completely delighted for this, and I am the wicked witch for not appreciating it.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I agree with you, Andrea. I just get frustrated sometimes when wild toddlers and their bad parents get lumped in with babies who simply can't help being upset in public places.
- Rochelle
I also have a kid in the family who thinks that running up and getting in someone's face and SCREAMING is the most fun ever in the world, and the parents apparently agree.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
My kids were taught how to behave. I don't like kids, I don't like screaming children. I was lucky that they both were not criers. As a baby, my daughter would stay awake and just look around, my son would sleep. The girl is 6 and has always been a dream when we go out, though she's chatty. I'm always the first to tell her to leave other people alone, but they always say it's okay....
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- Anika
Rochelle, sorry I do not mean to lump all parents together, for sure. I have been to airports with disciplined children. When I complain about parents and children I am complaining about a very specific sort of parents and it is usually about discipline, not because I hate all children. I am sure there exist some children who I would not hate.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I just feel like some parents have BLINDERS and they refuse to admit/acknowledge that maybe their children have some bad behavior and they don't want to discipline because as a society we are kind of pushed to believe that discipline is bad or long-term harmful.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Anika, I like how you seem to be very frank and honest about your own children's behavior. More people need to think that way and quit acting like the kids are perfect angels or being afraid to do anything to them.
- Kamilah Gill
Agree w Kamilah Anika is like my parenting role model, no jokes.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I think the main thing is that the tolerance level of parents and non-parents is different. Crying babies and toddlers running around the place are normal behaviors, developmentally speaking, not necessarily something they need to be disciplined for.
- Victor Ganata
Oh no! Y'all have to understand that I have a extremely low tolerance for noise and obnoxiousness regardless of the age of the person. So, I made sure my kids learned inside voice can be used all the time and that they know boundaries. And yes, people need to understand that what they find endearing their child 1) isn't special and 2) is pretty fucking annoying for those of us who don't...
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- Anika
First, I think you're very brave to say this publicly and post it, LOL. Second, I think parents fool themselves into thinking other people like their children. The only people who are totally tolerant of children are their parents. Any parent who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. I don't like screaming babies anywhere, for any reason. I didn't even like my own when he behaved that...
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- Trish R
And as I've mentioned before, I've gotten dirty looks from people for disciplining (stern talking) my own spawn and they can bite me. I'd rather have a kids that people want to be around, than worry about taking them places because I'm too lame to control them.
- Anika
@Anika - That's funny...I shoot dirty looks at people who don't try to tame the brood. :P
- Christian (Simply X)
I hit enter before I finished my comment. Anyway, we flew back from New Jersey in July and a mother with two toddlers and a crying baby sat behind us. The toddlers were allowed to run wild, scream and act crazy while the mother consoled and took care of the crying baby. I felt sorry for her dealing with all those kids alone, but it didn't change the fact that it was annoying, sitting there for 3 hours listening to it.
- Trish R
Yeah, and I think it's fine to be annoyed by it and even to vent about it, but you know if you had posted like, ugh I am annoyed by all these screaming babies! You would have been torn a new asshole.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
@Andrea, exactly. That's why I think you're brave to post this!
- Trish R
I'm not above telling someone to restrain their child if it's climbing on me.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
But back to the seat climbing...am I missing something here? I'm not sure how a kid finds it acceptable to climb on furniture. Sure my kids do it at home, but out in public? I'd be mortified. But these people think it's perfectly natural to allow their kids to act feral. What's up with that?
- Anika
Trish maybe I'm just dumb! :) I don't care if people get mad at me about it, I think it's just not realistic this view that people are happy about your kid running around and yelling. I feel like some people are in denial that they ever had a problem with screaming kids, also. Some of the more curmudgeonly people who complain about EVERYTHING just SNAP OUT if you talk shit about a...
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- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Victor, you're right that maybe toddlers don't need to be "disciplined" (i.e. spanked) for running around. That is somewhat natural. But they do need to be taught some kind of self control so that they can be seen in public. Not to call children animals, but it's sort of like keeping dogs under control in public in my mind. Different kids are at different levels at different ages with all of this. If the kids aren't ready to handle it, then they need to not be in situations where they can disturb everyone.
- Kamilah Gill
Like dogs, children under a certain age can't learn certain things, though. The circuits aren't fully formed. And like beating a dog for something a dog can never understand, disciplining a child for something that they can't comprehend at their developmental level is pointless. It would be great if every parent were completely aware of how their children disturb other people, but given that lots of people are hardly self-aware, and can't see how they annoy other people, I don't see how it would happen.
- Victor Ganata
@Victor - that's why certain parents - I call them the good ones, and lump my own parents in here - simply don't do certain things until their kids are of an age to handle it. My parents never took us out to eat in public until we were disciplined enough to sit there for the entiremeal without throwing a fit or getting bored enough to start trouble. (We also were raised with a healthy...
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- The Archangel ωαřмaiden
That's why I mentioned the different levels at different ages, meaning developmental levels. I think there may be some cultural differences at play here, and some generational differences. I see kids get away with things my parents would have tanned me for, and I'm well-adjusted enough, I think. I was not permanently damaged by a few well-deserved spankings. I can't even remember what happened when I was a toddler. I've been told that I did throw tantrums, but I think my mom would take me out of places.
- Kamilah Gill
That's the thing, if you can't remember, you can't learn.
- Victor Ganata
I know, but, then, whatever she and my dad did to me must have not hurt me then... Unless it was the cause of my memory loss :P
- Kamilah Gill
So that's what we really need: tranquilizers that cause you to stop breathing or cause memory loss :D
- Victor Ganata
I have a friend who flat-out, unashamedly admitted that she didn't care how annoying her kids were to other people. I had a serious, full-on, "why am I friends with this person?" moment.
- Roger Benningfield
My bro and sis-in-law just took 3 under-2s on a direct ORD-LAX flight. I asked, in a joking tone, if they tranqued the kids. The response was so lacking humor (no, its not good for the kids) I could tell she had seriously considered it. They've also decided to only every drive for thr next 10 years or so...
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
It's probably less of a hassle and more fun if you take the tranquilizers yourself, though :D
- Victor Ganata
LOL I just remembered one of the last flights we took. It was a short flight, I think to Vegas or SF. Anyway, there was parents there with their kid who was probably about 4 or 5. The first thing they did on this 5:55am flight was whip out the DVD player for the kid. Did I mention it was a *short* flight. Anyway, they started it up for the kid and we all had to listen to this cartoon on...
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- Anika
+++Kamilah You learn more before the age of 5 than you can imagine. You may not be able to articulate it, but you do learn.
- Melanie Reed
My dog can't say anything but 'woof' but he knows all his commands and he knows when to signal me to be let out if he needs it. ;) Are we saying our children are less capable than animals of learning decent behavior?
- Melanie Reed
no of course not how can i dare even? to the original post " tranquilizers" ?
- ffcode
ffcode, what I'm saying is that no, I don't see the need for tranquilizers on children. There are certain things we get taught and certain things we learn by getting trained and it takes time for parents to do both. But it is not impossible. Looking towards tranquilizers seems a defeat, doesn't it? What about training through small trips without progressing towards the longer one until...
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- Melanie Reed
I have a friend who says her baby can use sign language to indicate cat, milk, etc.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
They say an adult dog has roughly the intelligence of a 15 month old. Yes, I'm aware that babies are sentient creatures and can learn some things, but the delay of gratification is not one of them. And considering that lots of adults demonstrate that they're not aware of how causality works, I'm not surprised when little kids don't really understand what they're being punished for. Your kid or your friend's kid may be an outlier. That doesn't really make a difference to normal kids or their parents.
- Victor Ganata
And I'm not a fan of trying to define "normal behavior" by what might happen if everyone just tried really hard to get a better outcome. Observable reality is what it is. Some people are better at coping with that than others, too.
- Victor Ganata
I can't endorse or confirm this, but I have heard that some parents give their kids Benadryl before flights. That's all I'm saying.
- Ha3rvey (more more more)
Okay, that's not ALL I'm saying: I love my noise-cancelling headphones.
- Ha3rvey (more more more)
Andrea, we're using sign language with Audrey. She knows "milk" so far. We're working on "cat", "mom", "dad", and "more".
- Rochelle
lol I know benadryl is pretty much what I was thinking of when I made the post. I wasn't thinking like a bottle of valium. I read on a message board about bringing home children from international adoption that the pediatricians recommended giving the kid some benadryl due to the stress.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Just hope you don't get a paradoxical reaction :D Some people who get Benadryl actually get amped up and hyper. And if you take too much, it can actually cause delirium. In a lot of ways, Valium is a cleaner drug :)
- Victor Ganata
My grandfather gave his kids (all 6 of them) a shot of peppermint schnopps every Christmas Eve, telling them is was a German tradition. Couple decades later when one of his grown kids found out it in fact was not a long standing German tradition, his response was "YOU try getting 6 kids to fall asleep on Christmas Eve!". And yeah: I see his point completely...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh god yeah, my grandparents used to give me a shot of schnapps or a little bit of jack and coke, I didn't know this was bad until I was an adult. I used to love peppermint schnaps.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Having taken my then 3 year old twins on an 8 hour flight, believe me when I say most parents do NOT like it when their kids throw a tantrum. But on a flight that long it's unreasonable to expect there won't be some problems and the middle of the Atlantic is a poor spot to engage in serious discipline.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann, I hear what you're saying -- kids will be kids. But what you are also saying is that its ok for folks to take their kids on a small airborne tin can and inflict what they *know* will happen on all the other captive people. Is that fair?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
My daughter had this idea that would save money, prevent anyone from being annoyed during a flight, allow airlines to pack more people on a plane, and make identification much easier in case of a disaster: Everyone should be knocked out and zipped into a body bag with an ID tag before the flight and stacked up as if they were cargo.
- April Russo (app103)
My understanding is that the space suit is hooked up to suction.
- Victor Ganata
I don't think babies in space suits for any length of time is going to work too well. The astronauts aren't in space all the time. I recall reading a sci-fi story about untrained folks in space experiencing a chain reaction of throwing up; some folks get nauseated in the weightessness, the smell of which makes others throw up, like uranium atoms splitting and triggering nearby atoms. In...
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- SuezanneC Baskerville
RudĩϐЯaЯïan - Would it be more fair to deprive my sons of the chance to meet their grandparents just so a few people wouldn't have to hear some crying? Life is not fair, but listening to children scream is not nearly as big a burden as some make it out to be. If you really don't want to be exposed to it. Pay for first class.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann, paying for first class won't solve the problem. We fly first class with a baby. :)
- Rochelle
It is still kind of rough around the edges, & I haven't yet found a compelling reason to use it over email, IM or Google Docs. But I still think it's pretty neat & I'm hoping it turns out to be useful (rather than a Web 2.0 novelty).
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
A little. I've had short convos with people, and a few longer ones. I've planned a few meetings on there. Tested out some bots running on AppEngine. That's about it. Has potential.
- Maxamad
Yeah, using it to rewrite my resume.
- Sean Oliver
Not using it yet, looking forward to Wave blips replacing the text boxes in forum/blog/comment/wiki engines sometime in the next five years. As long as your coworkers/family/readers don't all have Wave accounts it's rather silly to expect to get much done. Wave depends on network effects to be useful to users.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, I'm part of this Augmented Reality wave that is doing pretty cool things
- Shevonne
Shevonne, can I please be added to that wave? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Me and Kol use it to live Wave the Formula One races. Works brilliantly.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Yes, especially now my team members also have wave accounts it become more helpful. We stop using project management software. It is really cool if you have more than 2 people in your conversation.
- Guney Can Gokoglu
Tried to use it for a couple of days. It's pretty worthless at the moment. And until they add the capability to communicate outside their walled garden, it's going to remain worthless.
- Jason Huebel
I still think it's got a lot of potential, but it hasn't found its true purpose yet. I think it may be too radical in a way to really know what to do with it yet. Especially without it being open to everyone so we can try it for real problems, not just testing threads with people who happen to be on it.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from iPhone
Ditto. I use it but it has a steep learning curve for an ordinary user like me. Will be useful when you can get your family and friends on it.
- Sandra Large
I would be interested in the Augmented Reality wave as well, if I could get an invite Shevonne. bette.cooper@googlewave. Thank you
- Bette Cooper
Thanks, Shevonne. I'll have a look later. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I understand what Wave is and how to use it. I just don't think it's really useful for an average user. Walled gardens with no clear benefit over simpler, more focused tools? Not going to be successful once the hype wears off, IMO. And I think it's wearing off already.
- Jason Huebel
from iPhone
Is there any one can invite me to wave?? kurtulusarkan {at} gmail
- nmcy
It's nice to keep in contact with a group of friends. Like a personal forum.
- Jason Williams
I've been with Verizon for a while, D. Except for my current handset I have always been satisfied with the service, the coverage, the equipment and the costs.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Funny thing is, Jeff, I have never had an issue with coverage in a residence. Maybe that comes from living in urban areas.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Thanks, Jeff. I'll keep that in mind. Still poking around seeing what people have to say.
- Derrick
Also, Jeff, that post is from over four years ago. A lifetime in the fast-changing world in which we live.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@MVB - they do have decent coverage..... But when that is the mentality of the guy in charge, i want nothing to do with their company. My cell phone works on the underground train in the UK, but this genius thinks it's too much to ask for it to work on my couch....
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
@MVB - i know it's old. It was more to show the position of the CEO, not the state of current coverage. The guy is a dipstick.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I was with Verizon until the iPhone 3G came out (and actually AT&T before that). I was always happy with the service, coverage and my cells with Verizon. I cannot say the same of the coverage at AT&T either time I was with them (and I live in San Francisco). If the Droid is close enough to what they say it will be, I'm pretty sure I'm going back to Verizon.
- metalerik
Verizon has the superior modulation format until the next round of radio upgrades. The problem is, they know damn well that they've got great coverage, so they've used it as an excuse to fuck over their customers in other ways. Like disabling Google Maps on my phone to force you to buy VZWNagivator. Or disabling Bluetooth on one of my older phones to prevent you from "sideloading" ringtones and pictures and forcing you to use the network.
- Wirehead
Thing is, I'm almost at the end of my contract and the Droid may or may not be good enough to cause me to ditch Windows Mobile. I'm keeping my eye on it. I think so different that I want something other than the iPhone.
- Wirehead
Oof, I never liked Windows Media. I had a Samsung Blackjack for like five minutes once upon a time.
- Derrick
Although the Touch Pro is the biggest piece of crap ever (Think using AOL on Windows Me crappy) I must say it is extremely open. WiFi works Bluetooth Stereo works, even has a built-in tool to make ringtones from your MP3's.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I've had Verizon for 5 yrs now. They aren't bad, for an evil cellphone co.
- Spidra Webster
I'm happy with Verizon; they have the best coverage area around here in GA. Also, D, if you go with them we can call each other for free! :D
- Laura B needin' waders
Wirehead - yes, i remember when they locked down bluetooth on all their phones. craziness!
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
As I tweeted earlier, "If I had the cash (and a job to pay for the monthly plan), I'm sure I'd buy a Motorola Droid when it comes out next week."
- Scott of Two Countries
I've been on Verizon for over 5 years. Through various businesses I've also been on about every other major carrier at some point during that time. I love V's network. This phone looks mighty fine! And I've always gotten Verizon's customer service to treat me *very* well.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
The Droid is tempting. I'm going to wait it and see how the Snapdragon based Android phones turn out. I'm pretty happy with the Palm Pre as a phone/messaging device. I want to get my hands on an Android device to mess around with though. There's so many devices coming out with it installed and they are not all phones. The 5" Dell Streak looks tempting as a media player/GPS/e-reader/lie on couch surfing mini-tablet.
- Rodfather
I'm switching as soon as the Droid is available. I love my iPhone, but I hate AT&T. Verizon is a much better network in my area.
- Jason Huebel
I've been tinkering with the Android 2.0 SDK this evening and it looks interesting. Plus I get to play with Android 2.0 in a virtual device on my Mac, just to see how I like it. Android is pretty nice, IMO.
- Jason Huebel
I was with Alltel for five years. They were swallowed up by Verizon, and I've had no issues at all so far.
- Ian May
"If this is the picture from here http://twitpic.com/n3zvk and it looks like it is, thats a copyrighted image. To just throw that up here on your blog minus attribution is stealing."
- Sean Oliver