"How do TechCrunch stories make it to Digg's front page so often? With a little help from its friends, of course. Former TechCrunch writer Duncan Riley, now a foe of editor Michael Arrington, posted a screenshot from his inbox revealing what Riley calls "The TechCrunch Digg Club." It includes four writers from TechCrunch proper; seven from gadgets blog CrunchGear; two from TechCrunchIT, Arrington's incomprehensible enterprise-tech spinoff; plus two or three interns."
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
from Bookmarklet
Holy crap! If that is true and diggs team knows that, I think techcrunch url maybe banned/punished.
- k00pa
No, TechCrunch URL certainly won't be banned, no way, really. We have been banned once and I know it does not happen to sites like TC.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
I wonder if Kevin will ban TechCrunch for a few days to get some hype for Digg? He definitely will get some PR out of this! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
you can actually buy diggs -- i 4get the website but you pay $20 plus 1$ per digg.
- john conroy
@john: Really? You mean you really-really can buy diggs? That's an amazing surprise to me!
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
gregory: It's just that I've seen tons of places and people trying to sell diggs. But it is just so obvious that all these patterns are penalized that I am surprised anyone still bothers.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
i happen to submit there stuff to digg, but thats b/c i like it. interesting stuff, will look into it.
- Leximo
This should be no surprise, all the big players are starting to do this. Chicago Tribune employs a Digg spam force.
- John Wesley
@John - shouldn't it mean social bookmarking is on its sunset boulevard?
- Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno - Donato: that is a very interesting metaphor
- Noah David Simon
You know better than I do Steven, but I believe those who have not fully adopted online communications like those of us here regularly, abandon social media, (and perhaps a lot of internet uses), for more tactile time spend during downturns. I've witnessed folks behaviors changed en mass, directed by circumstances. Could be enough to explain most of that, because I think generally, their more tuned product is accelerating in usefulness.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Unique visitors is an interesting statistic but it's clear that the real value to FF will be engagement. Returning visitors, visits per day, dwell time etc. will show the real power of FF.
- AJ Kohn
So what are you doing to help turn this momentum around (goes for all of you above)?
- Louis Gray
I think that the craziness of the economy has had an effect... people are spending more time off-line (I know I have) and less likely to be looking for new things. I think it will turn around after a while.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I use FF in my email sig, tell friends, drop it in my blog from time to time.
- AJ Kohn
Louis: my thesis. People aren't getting enough value out of this and are seeing it as a time drain. Also, I'm seeing people staying away from online sites that cover politics and economic news in order to stay away from mental pain. Those things get better in November. It'll be interesting to see if the line goes back up then. But we need new features to cure the first thing. I think they are on the way.
- Robert Scoble
I thinking the same thing as Robert. I also think that many avid users have found that this can be an incredible time sink, and have had to back off a little.
- Jeff P. Henderson
could also be attributed to employees spending more time on their tasks and less time browsing FF.
- Tsega Dinka
but I also pedict that with winter around the corner and more people spending longer hours indoors, the traffic will be going back up.
- Tsega Dinka
Louis, I may have just converted my wife - does that count? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
maybe if there were more Joe 6pack examples of the value in the world Joe lives in they would be more inclined to use it. Telling people how important it is won't teach them as well as showing them by example.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Friendfeed jumped for me when it became a chat room for popular bloggers and their stalkerish followers. Give me twitter with Twitscoop any day.
- Wayne Schulz
Maybe FF would like to give its fans incentives to help them be successful. I keep hoping some company has the guts to try to include their users in the prosperity we create, together. It's a good time for out of the box thinking, no?
- Dave Winer
heck, if friendfeed would consider sharing revenues from ads in the rooms - that would really be something!
- Zee.
Could you layer the stock market graph over the same timeframe? Would there be a similarity in the graphs?
- Hutch Carpenter
@Wayne..haha and twitter isn't a chat room for popular bloggers & stalkerish followers...? lol...
- Zee.
Does the drop correlate with the release of the list feature?
- Todd Hoff
If it really is a drop (it's not a drop in traffic btw, just the number of times it's been mentioned on the web, a measure of buzz if anything) it probably correlates to Twitter becoming reliable again and luring back its users, which was a slow process of rebuilding trust. There's absolutely no doubt, looking at the graph, that FF benefited when Twitter was going down all the time.
- Dave Winer
Here's some bigger pictures with & without movie text http://friendfeed.com/e... Awesome photo! I'd love to see it before/during photoshopping...
- Mitchell Tsai
Never fancied the film, but always thought that was a terrific poster - clever, eyecatching, eerie and quite beautiful.
- Andrew Lewin
i just though the movie was better than i expected - by no means in my top 1000 even...just better than expect for The Bullock.
- Zee.
This is so nice. face textile from trees
- Ervin Ter
From the page: "One of the fundamental concepts in social media is the idea of Friendship: in order to participate in any social network or to utilize any of the social media tools, one needs to have friends. From a purely technical perspective, a friend is simply a connection on an individual's social graph: a similar entity that has been defined as "connected" to the individual."
- Mike Fruchter
HAHAHAHA. The pizza slice is cracking me up. Now every man who sees this pic will think about that when they eat a slice of pizza. Although it's a good way to multi-task when in the tanning bed. When you're done, your lunch is ready.
- Trish R
I don't think I'm ever going to look at pizza the same...
- Far
Sorry I didn't get see you after the session - would have liked to say hi. Hopefully see you at the next Open House!
- Bret Taylor
Mona - I agree completely. Love him or hate him, Scoble (among others) arrives, brings the crowd with him, and then leaves once the crowd has become too large and the static too loud.
- Jonathan Beckett
Bret, it was a good presentation - and I've met you before, so no need, honestly. I didn't want to compete with Kara's camera. I was hoping to say hi to Loic, but to stand in line, with crying twins at home, I had to bail. :-) (And yes, I changed the headline from Missteps to Surprises, as that's more accurate)
- Louis Gray
That was a good read, great insight into the on goings of a start up. Thanks for attending and taking notes.
- Tsega Dinka
I don't leave many services. I just get a lot less enthusiastic about them sometimes.
- Robert Scoble
"We are working on relevancy now. It's reflected in the different ways that people use a feed reader, as some see it as a new e-mail box and others ask to show the things that are interesting right now"
- Shakeel Mahate
I think that just the fact that monetization is being discussed as openly as possible and is in the forefront is uber healthy and is a signal that FF is in good hands,
- Brian Sullivan
"But so far, the team is still playing catch-up. Bret added, "For the one year or so we have existed, we put less into relevancy and more into filtering tools. We are working on relevancy now."" Relevancy, relevancy, relevancy. Automatically push to the top of the queue what is most interesting for each of us individually. And amp up the discussion features. (Great article by Louis Gray.)
- Sean McBride
Relevancy issues: attention matching, attention profiling, clickstream mining, personal profiling, ranking by interestingness, recommender systems, similarity ranking, statistical machine learning, text mining. Google recommends websites. Netflix recommends movies. Amazon recommends books. Friendfeed should recommend people, news and discussions.
- Sean McBride
I'd love to read or learn a bit about FF *architecture*. I'm sure you guys learned so many lessons, and there are several of us that would like to build equally scalable, true www services. FF is such an inspiration, I'm just bursting to build something complementary.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice article Louis. I posted my thoughts based on the Kara Swisher video interviews on my site http://lifestreamblog.com/video-a... and just saw this and posted a link to your story. I really wish I could have gone to this event.
- Mark Krynsky
offtopic , but... hey, how did you put here 4 pictures and one title same time? and how did you put pictures without URL for original page? there is no bookmarklet reference.
- A.T.
On the beta FF, you can post pictures directly, silpol.
- Yolanda
I am on your screenshot!! =) I haven't tried Gridjit personally, but from looking at the screenshots, is this organization of information really better than the default FF layout? Does it also do auto-refresh of your FF feeds?
- Winston Teo
Winston, I think the way the information is laid out on Gridjit is organized much better then the default FF layout. It makes it easier to keep track of conversations. It get rids of all that wasted white space as well. Definitely a visual enhancement.
- Mike Fruchter
From testing it does not auto-refresh.
- Mike Fruchter
Nothing ironic about that at all. A lot of the things that make introverts uncomfortable-- large crowds, constant conversation, a requirement to act before thinking, more-- are all removed or attenuated on the 'net.
- Andy DeSoto
Besides, you can actually spend most of your time behind of your computer without even having to give calls to people - email is perfectly enough int he majority of the cases.
- Svetlana Gladkova
I completely agree -- my profile, iirc, is INFJ. I've never considered myself to be particularly extroverted. If I meet online friends IRL, I do appear to be more "extroverted" than in normal scenarios. But that's because there is usually a lot of common ground to kick things off.
- Tamar Weinberg
for clarification, I didnt shop that :). A friend of mine point me to the link.
- Alvin Woon
Sorry to say this, but I have to: at least our crown prince Willem Alexander looks slightly intelligent when he's enthousiastic about somebody's Olympic medal.
- Ton Zijp
That's our president. Aren't you proud? /sarcasm
- Summer
from twhirl
Is it too late to trade Bush for Brett Favre?
- Chris Baskind
Bush has ADHD Please show some respect for the Retarded person! lmao
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Is he giving the "old white man's" gang sign or indicating his IQ (3 fingers and a zero=30)
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
ahaha Jason that was very funny. Now just be aware the Secret Service may be visiting all your asses shortly.
- Nathan Rein
dang, it's hard to imagine how they could be more goofy and unappealing in a photo
- Mark Schulz
Hey guys keep an eye on @amandachapel on Twitter I think the new persona is not Brian Connolly the Failed PR blogger but some usa government watch group! Watch your Asses!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
This goes all the way back to the Handbook of Mathematical Functions from NBS (now NIST) in 1964 and an effort to continue that in the age of the Internet
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
II wish DADS had really obscure things like priority deques. My faith in dictionaries is inversely proportional to the number of times I look for something and it's not there
- Adewale Oshineye
Priority deques? So you can take off either the lowest *or* the highest element?
- ⓞnor
@nor I've only ever needed that on a real project once. It was a trading system which required a way to fetch messages from either the front or the back of the queue. The queue needed to be ordered by a Comparator and we needed this to be done as quickly as possible since delays meant that users were trading based on outdated info. Trying to track down someone who had implemented a priority deque in anything other than a research paper was surprisingly unfruitful.
- Adewale Oshineye
Seems like you could bang something out on top of a tree map that would be only slightly less efficient than whatever complicated thing could be done with pivoting heaps or such.
- ⓞnor
"In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word “troll” to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities. Early trolling was relatively innocuous, taking place inside of small, single-topic Usenet groups.....As our emotional investment in the Internet has grown, the stakes for trolling — for provoking strangers online — have risen. Trolling has evolved from ironic solo skit to vicious group hunt."
- Maki
from Bookmarklet
I think you guys are confusing Trolls with Cyber Bullies! If you have a problem with a Cyber Bully you do not block or hide from them because they will find you! The best way to deal with abuse is to confront the person and get things out in the open. Let your friends and community help you if someone is abusing you!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, how do you define yourself? You know, with "troll" in your username and all... Why "Igor the Troll?"
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar, great question! The "Troll" in my nic is sarcasm! People who know me they respect me, the ones who want to label me, I am not interested in them!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Maki, I just read the whole article. This is very dangerous! These are not Trolls! They are real Cyberbullies! I recommend to everyone to read this article in full. The worse thing anyone of us can do when targeted by Cyberbullies is to block and hide, this will just show them that you are scared!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I read this whole story, and I agree with IgortheTroll, this is what we call Cyber Bulling, not trolling. There is a big difference two! Trolls won't hurt you, they more likely just disrupt things, but Cyber Bullies can hurt you and your reputation, and other things. I would much deal with a Troll than a Cyber Bully!
- Skye B.
The problem is that some Internet users think they are superman on the Internet! They use their Internet anonymity to attack other people. If one has any popularity on the Internet they can easily organize a lynching parse! This is all about Mob Rules! One guy grabs a rope and scream to the mob, "this guy rapped my daughter!" The mob grabs the guy and brings him to the nearest tree!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm not complaining. The first like six Disney films were drawn and animated by TWO guys. Not a team, not a server farm, not overseas Korean animators. TWO GUYS.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Christopher Robin is really Tarzan?
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Very smart of Disney. Keeping costs down benefits the movie goer as much as the studio.
- Michael Tefft
It makes sense considering that the Disney films back in the day were literally animated .. aka done by hand and not computers. I think that makes them more enjoyable knowing all of the hard work that went into them.
- ::Kristen::
Hey, that was a good scene. Re-use it again :)
- TDavid
I totally noticed that Mowgli moved a LOT like Arthur in "Sword in the Stone" when I was little! When I was younger... ok, yesterday!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
They used to have to wash the animation cels and reuse them as well. This stuff has always been pretty expensive to produce. You need someone to draw it, someone to ink it, someone to paint, need gorgeous backgrounds, massive camera setups, etc etc etc. If there aren't enough people then yeah two dudes have to do all of that. All under a tight budget and tight time constraints.
- sergiooo
Surprise!! we re-use code, why shouldn't they re-use creatives? smart!! (but i do feel sorta ripped off ...childhood is now less cool all of a sudden...nah! just kidding!!)
- Susan Beebe
Stock footage comes to the animation world....
- kamla bhatt
Same layout, but pretty different. There's no pooh in Jungle Book. Just that big bear. Maybe Jungle Book is just a localized version of Winnie the Pooh? ;)
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Interesting, now I wanna watch them! :)
- Oli Kenobi
Makes sense, you have to reuse anything you can in animation, it's costly to produce every single frame, especially when they're hand drawn. They don't completely reuse the frame, just the basic, note each example was altered to fit into its movie/art style. If they didn't reuse the frames, body positions, and animations then each Disney movie would have a different feel entirely, you wouldn't get that "Disney-looking-movie" feel that everyone likes.
- xero
I was just talking about this yesterday but couldn't remember where I had first seen it...thanks!
- cmiper
Interesting to see how similar those scenes are.
- Daniel Schildt
in the software industry we call it...JUST SHIP IT
- Ryan
"By the time they find the bugs, we'll have them fixed and can send them a quick hot-fix." If I only had a nickel every time I heard that one!!
- Chrimmus Tad
Like this would work -- all the bubbles would be popped on the first day
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian Hehe I know, I'd rack up a massive bill in these. Ohh, say one for each day of the year :) Should also be considered an exercise in learning restraint..
- Mo Kargas
This will simply kill someone with ADD.
- Chris Baskind
I had a pigeon wave a knife at me once. Those mofos mean business!
- Jim Stanger
I agree with Mona, I don't like pigeons, they're disgusting.
- Oli Kenobi
Mona: thank you! I was just watching Samantha Brown on travel channel, eating pigeon dumplings in Xi'an, and I said the exact same thing..
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
Can someone make a video like this about Trolls? Do not feed the Trolls! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
What I want to see is a giant cigarette come and attack the next Asshole I see flick a lit cigarette butt out the window on the freeway!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Hutch great post, I was thinking along these lines the other day as well. I started to compile to some data using the likes and comments ratio from people I follow. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mike Fruchter
I think we're in the midst of a new paradigm shift. I’m spending more time reading Lifestreams than RSS feeds and it's driven by the fact that the people I follow have become necessary filters now that I can't consume everything on my own.
- Mark Krynsky
Hmm...Human filters -- laziness or genius?
- Hao Chen
Hutch: You write some great posts. I could think of my communities as filters for information (with some people being especially influential - Robert Scoble, Louis Gray, Mona Nomura, Polly Roberts, Robert Patton, and Thomas Hawk on FriendFeed). However, one work I read said that our gift back to God (if you're religious) is our individual way of living life. I enjoy when other people share a part of their lives with me....and it helps shape my daily life also. Thanks everyone on FriendFeed!
- Mitchell Tsai
Thoughtful and timely post, Hutch. There's lots of stuff that interests me out in the RSSsphere, really too much to keep up with on my own. However they find the time and energy to do it, filter folk like Scoble, Gray (and Hutch ;) ) lead me to more such stuff. But I also realize the value of "eating my peas" and sometimes feel I could use a little more filtering help finding that kind of information here. And, who knows, with the right amount of filtering, I might actually start to like peas.
- Tom Landini
My Google Reader friends...and my FriendFeed friends, too!
- Sarah Perez
That's what I was talking about ! There is a need for smart filtering aka human filtering :)
- Alemsah Ozturk
While I don't find the results useful, this shows how much room for innovation there is in search. Showing results in a magazine format rather than an ordered list is interesting! Too bad their resuls are so lacking in focus.
- ryanmaule
from twhirl
Thanks Mike - I like your graphics. How'd you make those?
- Hutch Carpenter
Mark - I agree. Reading lifestreams, which include a lot of blog posts and mainstream news, is a great way to keep ourselves educated.
- Hutch Carpenter
Thanks Mitchell. I called out Louis in the post, but your names are others that I had in mind as well.
- Hutch Carpenter
Tom - you're hitting on something that really could be its own blog post (dibs!). It's the nature of the person doing the sharing. If I share Flickr favorites, it's OK. But if Thomas Hawk does it, you know something about what makes him tick. And that makes it more engaging, even for the same content.
- Hutch Carpenter
Sarah - no surprise for you. As a top-notch blogger, I'd be surprised if you relied too much on a few people for filtering.
- Hutch Carpenter
I like the paradigm shift concept. A curated life. Lots of choices and more friends who I trust suggesting what they are passionate about influencing how I might spend time reading, listening or watching.
- Mary Anne Davis
This is a MUST READ post. nice job! going back to re-read
- Christian Anderson
more important question.. How how are capturing the most interesting infonugguts available on the Web ? Then comes the question to how do you filter that to within the the FF community ? If you look at at some of the Non related tech items that are interesting, then Louis and many other's fail- and fail badly. Lifestream is not just about latest technology ideas and convo's , there are...
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- Peter Dawson
Peter - that's a tough one. Politics, life sciences, and other good subjects aren't going to be something everyone wants to read. Louis as Information Filter works because of what he's interested in: social media. But that's not to say a really good Info Filter isn't just waiting to happen in say, life sciences. It'd be up to people to subscribe to him or her.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch , but then again the Human Filter is akin to what can be called as the "Project Golden Sheild" -- the followes are falling into that sceanrio slowly and steadly, albiet unkowningly of both parties !!
- Peter Dawson
Filters for non-tech photos & cool stuff: Mona N, edythe, RAPatton, Anna Haro, Mark Wilson, Thomas Hawk, Mrsth, Mahdi Ebrahimi, Eric (ejp1082), mhmazidi, Vincent X, Selma, Maryam Ardakani, Donato, Russellreno, shandiz, Andrew Baron, JA Castillo, Raoul Pop, Mladen Srdić, Corie Allison
- Mitchell Tsai
Haven't found any filters for science stuff on FriendFeed yet. Science quality here is pretty low (aside from tech). I was thinking of going on a Del.icio.us binge through the major sciences to post hot people & articles. Check out Harvard's Lisa Randall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... hot chick & top string theorist "On Gravity, Oreos and a Theory of Everything" http://www.nytimes.com/2005...
- Mitchell Tsai
Hutch, I sent you a dm on twitter regarding the pie charts.
- Mike Fruchter
Hutch, very interesting post thanks. Glad my random thought was able to be of some assistance :)
- Michael C. Harris
Michael - your post kicked off some good thinking. Glad you like the post.
- Hutch Carpenter
gregory - I like that take. Each of us serving as somewhat different information filters in a group, and how intelligence spreads within that group.
- Hutch Carpenter
A really nice post, very timely. I follow many on FriendFeed such as Robert Scoble and Loic Lemeur and use Netvibes, StumbleUpon and Delicious + popurls and Mahalo (cheers Jason!). Great post!
- Hayk H.