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On my whiteboard is "battlefronts." IE, who in the tech industry is taking over the castle. Who do you think is? Join me live:
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IE, Apple is taking over the castle from Nokia in the mobile phone space. Twitter is making a strong move on the social networking castle that Facebook owns.
- Robert Scoble
Ustream and Blip.tv are trying to get into YouTube's castle but keep getting shut out.
- Robert Scoble
Is Twitter storming Facebook's castle or is facebook storming Twitter's?
- Peter Kelley
Peter: I think Facebook is losing castle rooms to Twitter and it pisses Facebook off.
- Robert Scoble
Zoho and Google are trying to take ground away from Microsoft Office.
- Robert Scoble
Also is Mahalo building their own castle or storming someone elses?
- Peter Kelley
twitter are the horde slowly taking over the outlying areas of facebooks domain
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
So is SocialText and Atlassian and Jive and others.
- Robert Scoble
apple is going to be losing ground to both android and pre on different slices of turf IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FIOS is taking over cable and satellite. My iPhone is making my Windows desktop irrelevant.
- Brett Nordquist
Mindtouch is storming the sharepoint castle
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Gowalla is taking BrightKite's castle
- Peter Kelley
Anyway, the question is, where do you see entrenched "winners" under attack by new companies or ideas.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: FourSquare is doing a better job of doing that than Gowalla is.
- Robert Scoble
FIOS is a non-issue until they lose the "higher market" feel - i.e. it won't be in my working class neighborhood for another 2 years
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wordpress is storming the Blogger castle.
- Brett Nordquist
But Gowalla is in the game.
- Robert Scoble
Louis Gray is taking over the Robert Scoble castle.
- Cristo
Anything related to keeping data tied to a physical location is dead. Freedom of mobility has stormed the castle and is now dancing in the courtyard as it burns down around it.
- Adrian Pike
Android from the iPhone, in the next 2 years
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
gowalla has just elbowed both twitter and foursquare out of the spot at the gate that is brightkyt
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bing to Google
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Brett: Wordpress is almost an entrenched player now. Squarespace is the one trying to take away Wordpress share, isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Christian: I agree.
- Robert Scoble
squarespace is showing wordpress how to be a better hosted service -- *with their own product!*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ankush: I don't agree that Bing is really disrupting Google that much yet. It's a nice thought, though, and it is a fun fight to watch, so I agree there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I still see a lot of Blogger blogs, but you're right. SquareSpace is making a big move.
- Brett Nordquist
this is why i like friendfeed
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rackspace is taking place of Amazon in hosting :)
- ashish
Spotify trying to sneak up on iTunes/Amazon/Pandora
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
In location services I see Yelp making big moves into a place that Google owns right now, at least in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Ashish: shhhhh.
- Robert Scoble
We need something to take a bit away from WordPress - too much insecurity stuff in the press recently
- Jalada
Ankush: we think alike, I had that on my whiteboard already.
- Robert Scoble
rackspace still has a pricing misconception demon to shake loose
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Are Wordpress and Drupal different castles?
- Peter Kelley
I love the cool ads on free squarespace blogs. Makes me think of blogspot in 2002
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I wish Rackspace would give me a huge amount of storage to host my blog, pictures and music, but make it affordable and easy to access from any device with internet.
- Brett Nordquist
drupal is being stormed by mindtouch - now that is a sleeper-awakening fight
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Brett: how is http://rackspacecloud.com not doing just that?
- Robert Scoble
Google is moving against Twitter by adding contextual streams to web pages via Scoble's favorite tool: SideWiki
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Mike: that's an interesting one. I don't watch mindtouch that much, I should do an interview with them.
- Robert Scoble
@bear: On Intranets or more generally, there are a lot of Drupal sites out there
- Peter Kelley
Robert: Checking that out now. Did not know about it.
- Brett Nordquist
Ankush: I don't agree there, but that's one to put on the board as a potential disrupter.
- Robert Scoble
Windows Mobile 6.5 was found dead in the moat.
- Brett Nordquist
peter - on the intranets - but that means they will bust out when the open-source side catches up with what they have commercially developed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
robert - mindtouch is moving in all the right places and in the proper direction ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: give it a year regarding Bing -MS know how to commoditized better than anyone (as u know!)
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Got Brizzly on your whiteboard? I think they're up to something
- Jalada
First you have to define who's in the castle that is being taken over.
- Alex Scoble
yea, brizzly is looking at their feature set getting over shadowed by twitter doing a "me also" update
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jalada: I need a whole whiteboard on Twitter clients. Damn, did you see Tweetie 2.0 yet? You should, it's going to take over the iPhone app space for Twitter clients.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: it will be interesting to see what Seesmic does about Tweetie 2.0.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, Tumblr and Posterous are also disrupting Wordpress and Blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Seen the coverage of it. Can't wait to get my hands on it. We're re-engineering our iPhone app at Twitterfall too, it's sure to give us some ideas ;-)
- Jalada
robert - :/ yea
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VMWare/Spring Source are taking over the RedHat/JBoss castle
- Peter Kelley
For that matter what about threadsy? They are surely capable of disrupting the webmail market if marketed properly
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Posterous is fantastic and i'm using it to replace Flickr in some areas.
- Brett Nordquist
I predict tumblr and posterous merging by the end of the year - they are just too awesome to fight each other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ankush: I heard threadsy had some performance issues, have they been ironed out?
- Jalada
Microsoft Office Web tries bringing in the battering rams, but isnt doing much right now against the heavily fortified walls of Google Docs
- Kevin Traver
Mike: I have some ideas, but they require you guys to become curation tool before Tweetie gets there.
- Robert Scoble
Last.FM is storming the Pandora castle.
- Brett Nordquist
glassfish+(scala,jpython,jruby) is owning the bare RoR scene
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin, I see Google Docs as breaking over the castle wall into Microsoft territory right about now, actually. :-)
- Robert Scoble
robert - yes, we need to become the goto place for both current and historical data flow
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cloud computing is like a fog that's obscuring the view between castles. When the fog lifts, no telling whose castle will be left standing and who will be crushed.
- Paul Blasman
from iPhone
But Microsoft's castle is so big they still aren't worried. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Cloud Computing is just a tool to get over the wall. :-)
- Robert Scoble
bear - I think Groovy/Grails are doing a better job of storming the ROR castle and many other web framework castles besides
- Peter Kelley
cloudcomputing allows you to take the battle off the ground and just go *around* the others
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: It's a magical tool that everyone says is great, but then find it's too small to get over big walls.
- Jalada
peter - hmm, then i'm not watching enough Groovy/Grails shops to get wind of that - i'll have to adjust
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
is Netflix on your whiteboard?
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: no, but it is now.
- Robert Scoble
rssCloud/Hubbub? Not companies though...
- Jalada
Jalada: that's like Cloud Computing: a tool to help you get over the wall.
- Robert Scoble
jalada - IMO that's a minor battle between what type of pipe to use - only internet plumbers are worried about that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: Redbox is pretty cool too. Used it before?
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: No, and I haven't used Roxio yet either.
- Robert Scoble
Google Analytics is taking over Omniture (maybe already taken over going by Omniture's Q1 earnings)
- MadhuIyer
One night DVD rentals for a buck. Red Box always seems busy no matter where I see them.
- Brett Nordquist
Redbox is for those that don't know what's good for them
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Oh and Fake Carol Bartz taking over Fake Steve Jobs
- MadhuIyer
Madhulyer: oh, I SO agree with that!
- Robert Scoble
verizon realizing before at&t that limits on the data flow just hampers profit increases
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Although @shitmydadsays is kicking both of their asses.
- Robert Scoble
according to my kids, the iPod Touch is replacing the Nintendo DS
- Brett Nordquist
I'm liking where Boxee is going with webtv. could be what appletv had hoped to be.
- michael sean wright
Boxee taking over tivo?
- ashish
Brett: I agree with them, it's certainly a threat Nintendo/Sony need to tackle
- Jalada
Yeah, Boxee and Bittorrent are definitely changing TV for a new generation.
- Robert Scoble
Renting physical media is not going to put a crack in anyone' wall.
- Paul Blasman
from iPhone
Jalada: This year we'll spend more in App Store games from Apple than games from Nintendo.
- Brett Nordquist
Hulu is taking over paid cable
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Google's archers try to fend off some incoming twitter boats
- Kevin Traver
but this proves to be difficult because the water in the moat is very unstable due to Google Waves
- Kevin Traver
Brett: us too. And Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Google Wave is super slow for me today. And totally unusable. I don't know about people who like it. I think they are all nerds. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Google Wave is to far out on the horizon - it still has a chance to sink itself or run up on the reef of complicated-UI
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This Friendfeed thread is taking over my social life!
- Brett Nordquist
I think they're handing out a new Wave (aha..) of invites today, slowly.
- Jalada
FriendFeed will take over something I hope
- Jay
Robert - yep, wave is for early adopter nerds
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jay: Can it still do that now it belongs in Facebook's castle?
- Jalada
Google Wave is just taking over people's ability of effectiveness...
- MadhuIyer
Jalada: How about..? FriendFeed should take over everyone's homepage.
- Jay
FriendFeed is a realm that joined the Facebook Castle so they could get some troops garrisoned inside their operation
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This castle analogy is brilliant
- Jalada
Mike: gearing up for pushing Twitter back over the wall. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of Google's guards cautiously watch Wolfram|Alpha in the distant horizon.
- Kevin Traver
Robert - yea, they saw the oncoming battle and decided to join forces
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
/me wonders if Robert has enough new ideas for interviews and articles yet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, I was just checking to see if there was some wall breach happening that I wasn't familiar with.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - and laugh
- Peter Kelley
some of these battles are good ol' "dig under the walls and let it slowly collapse" fights, while others are storm-the-gates assaults
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: At WordCamp Seattle two weeks ago, I was surprised to hear how many people were still on blogging platforms other than Wordpress. Assumed everyone was on WP already.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: Yeah, that's wacky. What were the most popular non-Wordpress ones? Any idea why they are still on those?
- Robert Scoble
Brett - at PodCamp Philly last weekend almost everyone was asking how to use WordPress and if they should move from Blogger to WP (amongst the new blogger scene)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Adobe Flash coming under attack from HTML/5 if the major players will stop their HTML/5 codec bickering. For example a Safari plugin to switch YouTube Video from Flash to Apple H.264 http://bit.ly/JlWVO
- Ed Millard
Robert: almost all I spoke with were on Blogger. A few on Typepad and many had created websites that were out-of-date.
- Brett Nordquist
Mike: I'm not surprised. Maybe still too difficult to roll your own WP install?
- Brett Nordquist
Ed - good one - yea, if the HTML/5 scene doesn't stop fighting they are going to cede all that work to Flash
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Brett - some of that plus also the latest security issues were a big concern
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: Good point about security. Lots of talk about that as well. Still too many hurdles for the less technical.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett - agreed - I was pointing everyone to hosted solutions by asking them the question: Do you *really* want to become a SysAdmin as well as a blogger?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scobleizer's SUL taking over Twitter's SUL
- MadhuIyer
here's a challenge - let's talk about who's taking over what castle and *not* mention Twitter
- Dave Hodson
Madhulyer - and also true celeb's twitter lists taking over both of those SUL's
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Dave, wasn't Twitter mentioned in the first comment?
- Cristo
@Cristo - yup. I have Twitter fatigue; there must be other castles to storm out there
- Dave Hodson
Dave, I think I have castle storming fatigue.
- Cristo
I'm going to need some buffs if there's more castles to storm today.
- Brett Nordquist
/me puts down a fish feast and calls out for a table
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think the Twitter fatigue is due to the fact that people constantly reference it. Sure it is growing, super cool, the-best-thing-eva, but what *else* is out there? How about the impact that a service like Aardvark is having/not having on Yelp for example?
- Dave Hodson
Dave: fair enough but let's see your ideas for castles being stormed that don't include the T-word anywhere? :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble - as I said, Aardvark and Yelp. I've been using Aardvark for a while now and I think they might be on to something.
- Dave Hodson
Dave: that's actually why I started this post, to see if there's any other battlefronts out there. Turns out there are. As to Yelp: I don't see @vark as a @yelp killer. I'm not even sure they are battling for the same thing. Most of the questions on @vark that I get have nothing to do with restaurants or places or businesses.
- Robert Scoble
I think @vark could disrupt Yahoo or Google search, though, and take away some revenue.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble - questions really depend on what you sign up for - I asked a question the other day about a good/quick place to eat near the Fillmore in SF and got several good replies right away. Yelp wouldn't really have helped me there. Plus the new iPhone app is pretty good. And not to be a total fanboy, but I really like the IM integration.
- Dave Hodson
Yeah, good point. I do love @vark, don't get me wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Surprised nobody mentioned the Kindle
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: good point!
- Robert Scoble
that atari thing my neighbours have is taking over my lightbrite.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Brett - or the new tablets coming out (and not the apple one either!)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike, who is making the new tablets? I've not heard much then.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: there are a couple already out in EU by Archos. Gateway's tablet PC was leaked and there is the hopefully coming Crunchpad. Those are just off the top of my head
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Chrome is taking over someones castle. im not sure if its ie or Firefox
- Anthony Feint
How about on the SSD front, OCZ Vertex line vs Intel X25's
- Joe Hanink
Skype, cell and Google Voice are taking over traditional telco phone landline castle
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for all the MindTouch mentions folks. Scoble, happy to talk again. It's been quite a while. Ping me and let's set something up. Happy to meet up when I'm in your neighborhood again.
- Roebot
Scoble, more on MindTouch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch... and also watch some of the demos to the right of the page here: http://www.mindtouch.com/Solutio...
- Roebot
Meanwhile, MySpace is M.I.A. and no one gives a shizzle!
- Danny Minick
Sanford's "apology" letter makes no mention of his rampant hypocrisy. That's weak sauce. Like most Christians in the national spotlight, Sanford is so concerned about where people put their winkies that it just hasn't occurred to him that there might be anything more important. - http://www.counton2.com/cbd...
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I do occasionally run into Christians who are actively trying to be good people. They're universally too busy feeding the hungry and clothing the poor that they don't have time to run for office (or even start up a mega church). Hence my "national spotlight" qualifier.
- James (@willia4)
I'll admit to having very little patience with them. I know I should forgive, but I'd really like to banish them to a small island with no media access and no chance of achieving power or success. Kind of like a monastery, but with the knowledge that it is penance not a personal choice.
- Heather Solos
The other day I was just thinking about how hypocritical the GOP can be. In particular, the "less government*" drum they beat where the * means "when it's convenient and doesn't conflict with our agenda"
- Paul Reynolds
UrbanOutfitters.com > Bebaroque Fringe Thigh High - http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban...
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Um...
- Derrick
weird
- Aaron Hood
Exactly what is supposed to be accomplished here? LOL
- Admiral Anika
Doing my best Butthead here: "Ummm... okay."
- Roger Benningfield
*shuts down*
- Mo Kargas
Where there be fringe, there be hipsters. Or something like that. Or go-go dancers.
- edythe
umm...
- holly
I'm trying to imagine the outfit and shoes one would wear with this without looking completely stupid and failing. And if I saw someone wearing these, my first thought would be they shaved their leg hair into a mohawk.
- Admiral Anika
mules! heh.
- edythe
*dead* @ Anika!!!!!
- Liz
Oh my.....
- Soup
Imagine this with the ass-less tights.
- joey
Oh, Joey...I so did not need that image.
- Admiral Anika
Haha, sorry!
- joey
I can see it..
- CW™
nooo
- ♥patricia♥
You know, I really dig thigh highs, but... huh?
- Michael McKean
EEK!! SHE'S BEING ATTACKED BY HAIRY SNAKES!!! SAVE HER!!!
- Lindsay
OK Come On! —those things— ... now "She's Like the Wind" http://www.youtube.com/watch... is stuck, absolutely lodged in my head now. Gee thanks edythe!?
- Micah Wittman
Micah makes me giggle. And I kinda want to cockpunch you for putting that song in my head.
- Admiral Anika
No.
- Jason Toney
Anika, what Jason said ;)
- Micah Wittman
Wow, those are pretty horrible
- Nia
LOL
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
[canceling my order...] ;)
- edythe
:( I was hoping for some real picts of this.. oh well.
- CW™
the craziest thing about this is the price. 88 bucks for this, really? *really?*
- Melissa
++Anika. Save the $88 dollars and just shave creatively if you want that look.
- Alix Whitmire
$88 what are you crazy? not worth $10.. granted.. the feeling of some tassels on my leg as you rub yours against mine at a bar after many drinks.. well I could like this.. but thats just me.
- Fake Elmo
for even less i could just collect my own hair for a week and tape it onto my legs. (but i won't.)
- edythe
You can go swimming in the ocean and blend in with the seaweed
- Rodfather
seriousWTF
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Yikes...
- Cheryl Jones
well... there you have it.
- Yolanda
Is there anything but a seam that can be in that position and look hot?
- Matthew DeVries
No.
- Carmen
Reminds me of those pesky leg hairs that continue to miss the razor's path.
- Janet
:D, karim.
- edythe
A bow at the top is cute.
- Matthew DeVries
OMG
- Charlie Anzman
Why Amazon Is Bucking the Trend - http://gigaom.com/2009...
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Why didn't Steve Jobs hold his news until they report financials next week? My ideas here:
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1. Apple did better than expected in current quarter, so they wanted to get the bad news out of the way now. That way the stock will take the hit for Jobs being gone, then go up when they announce great financial results. Making it clear to everyone that the company will go on strongly without Jobs.
- Robert Scoble
He's sick and is going to take time off for treatment, and it can't wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
2. Someone threatened to leak the news this week anyway.
- Robert Scoble
But I don't know, why didn't they just hold the bad news until the financials came out? If the financials are bad, do you think they would have just blasted both bits of bad news out together?
- Robert Scoble
Ken: he could have disappeared for a week without anyone noticing. So that's not it.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe he's just not well. I know from family experience that this can (and should) override anything. Anyone suddenly feels as human and mortal as the next guy when given a really shitty piece of news.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
They could've released the news next Tuesday and buried the lead with the inauguration and all.
- Mark Trapp
Wouldn't it be considered a material fact they'd have to disclose in their earnings report, if was already planned? Perhaps earning are worse than expected, and they don't want a double whammy. I think one can make up all sorts of scenarios.
- Ken Sheppardson
This gets back to my question : http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Will Higgins™
i suspect #2 is closest to the truth. doctors, nurses, folks at work. could be he had an episode in public somewhere...
- MikeAmundsen
What financials are you talking about? The Proxy just came out a few days ago
- Matt Bennett
Robert: Why don't you just go back to the yogurt shop and ask?
- Ken Sheppardson
Probably a requirement under securities laws: timely disclosure of something material that might affect the share price. The CEO's temporary incapacity sure is something material.
- Neville Hobson
People have been saying he was sick like this for a while. Not sure if we would have believed a "leak" regardless. Right now i'm more in shock of Steve's letter last week. Either it was a lie or he got some bad news really suddenly. Regardless, have to face the future.
- David Bisset (sn)
I do think that Apple just released that because people over there knows that Steve needs some rest, the guy is sick and he needs to take care of himself, and then maybe after he is okay he would look after the company's business once again and I think your first idea might be the right one.
- Ahmed
I hope he's better and ready to by next years CES!
- Brett Nordquist
I think he's trying to be more open with his employees and customers. I think this is very representative of the nature of our 2.0 world. Knowledge of everything can be found so it's best not to lie and hide behind a mask of supposed truths. Best to just be honest!
- Dane Deasy
Brett: me too! Wishing him all the best.
- Robert Scoble
Dane: I don't think this is Steve being more open. Just read his message. Just as cryptic, only said what it needed to. Steve Jobs *IS* the Citizen Kane of Silicon Valley.
- David Bisset (sn)
btw - IMO, this is not going to get better (sorry to say). i suspect Jobs' condition is chronic and probably progressive. he's proly been putting off this kind of talk for quite some time. it could be a rough year for him and those close to him. and a bad sitch for the company, too. i really hope i'm wrong.
- MikeAmundsen
Option 2 seems to be the more plausible. Apple and Jobs have both been lying about this and attempting cover-ups for some time now.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Interesting that he'll be back in June--in time for announcing the next iPhone on stage?
- Ian Mikutel
There are no good ways to bring bad news. But openness is less bad than denial. Hold good thoughts for Steve's recovery.
- Michael Markman
Ian: that would make sense. Mess with the Palm Pre and Nokia N97 launches in June. Keep everyone slobbering over the next iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think the 'June' return is just an arbitrary date which at this stage, could be either pessimistic or optimistic.
- Scot Mcphee
As accurate and truthful as Apple/Jobs have been about this topic... I doubt Jobs will be back at all.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I think that he wants media to finally treat Apple as a "grown up" company and he plan to do this with shock therapy :)
- Hubert Taler
I think he is gone for good. Goldman indicated that he spoke to senior technology person who spoke to Steve who felt Steve was "deluded about his condition". That sounds bad for steve.
- themick171
from twhirl
What the hell does a senior technology person know about medical issues, though?
- Victor Ganata
@ michael dee - is that the same Goldman (from CNBC) who insisted just recently that Gizmodo were talking bollocks when they said Jobs' health was in serious decline, and that Jobs' health was 'totally fine' ???
- Patrick Jordan
It's that delusion about our conditions that keep us sane.
- Todd Hoff
Victor: as much as a yogurt store clerk.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I too am surprised this news was leaked prior to the financials...odd. There's something fishy about that for sure
- Susan Beebe
@scobleizer in corporate/ DowJones land bad news MUST be reported as soon as known. Anything less gets you into Enron territory.
- Bankwatch
I agree with Ken Sheppardson and Neville Hobson. Apple knew the information and were reponsible by releasing it in a timely manner.
- Ontario Emperor
Of course, deliberately witholding critical information to manipulate the stock price is somethign people woudl scream about if any other company did it.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
@bankwatch makes a good point. But if Apple/Jobs knew this before the MacWorld announcement, and if they did and still put out the cokamamy story about hormone levels, Apple still should get a cursory look over by the SEC.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Jobs is not coming back, ever. The news today was just a "baby step" to that end.
- oregon_tony
As a "grown up" company Apple will fail. Their primary tool is the faux elitism of their user base and the "cool" factor that lets them overcharge for minor hardware upgrades. As soon as they grow up (expand) that will fade.
- Soulhuntre
I'm sure many companies would like to fail as well as Apple has! Yes, their stuff is pricey, but its demonstrably superior. I guess if you don't value your time you can pretend to save money using XP, or the now obsolete Vista, and if you still haven't learned your lesson then go have fun with Windows 7...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
AAPL would have been crucified if they had waited. Mentioning the news now takes away the material disclosure & sharp stock sell off if the news would have been disclosed "next week". Waiting would have opened a mega can of worms in case anyone started selling their insider shares or stock plan shares. Now everyone gets the info at the same time to avoid the SEC trouble Apple had before although they passed the fire trials then.
- Roney Smith
yessir soulhuntre, Apple, number 103 in the Fortune 500, 8th most profitable tech company... sounds pretty grown up to most grown ups...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Soulhuntre... Apple has always wisely resisted the temptation to grow too quickly, or address the least common denominator mass market. There are riches in niches, and Apple mines its niches well.
- LogEx
re: Mark VandenBerg - thats my thought too, that the earlier hormone announcement may at least get some SEC review.
- Bankwatch
@indio - depends on how your using the term of course. @logical - I agree... as a niche product / firm Apple excels but they have been increasingly tryign to go mainstream (sometimes well, sometimes badly). It will be interesting to watch.
- Soulhuntre
For those who are laid off. Remove all LOLCat photos from anything you are sending around trying to get a job. Including your blog.
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What? And I thought use of LolCatz showed a solid grip on internet memes, social media and the web? Are not those cats clogging the pipes of the interwebs?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Common sense is unfortunately not very common... :(
- Mona Nomura
That's why I've decided to become a hitman. Just try to make fun of a guy with a rifle.
- Steven Perez
@Mona Sadly true. I say it often, myself.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'd also add anything about how much you hated your old job. Nothing says unprofessional than public airing of past dirty employment laundry.
- Mark Trapp
Are we talking archived LOLcats, or what's on the front page? I can't go with historic LOLcats making a candidate categorically unhireable.
- Denise Howell
Unless, of course, you're trying to work at I Can Has Cheeseburger. If you don't have LOLcats or a failboat on your blog, they'll think something's wrong. :)
- Jared Smith
Great post.
- Bill Romanos
Jared was too fast ;)
- Will Higgins™
.. but I'm applying for Cat Fancy magazine.
- Rodfather
Aram: there are no jobs for "social media experts." Sorry to say. Gotta find a job doing something else, which means no LOLcats.
- Robert Scoble
While you're at it, remove the FAIL photos and Star Wars kid video and stop saying "going to get a cup of coffee" or "going to bed" on Twitter.
- Missionary Broadcasting
that's what @garyvee alluded to - how many social media experts haven't made a dime in social media... http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... - although video doesn't work for me i saw it livestreamed...
- mal
I'd say use your common sense on the LOLcats thing. I can think of one very prominent contradiction to your advice on this, Robert. If you're going for a job where personality isn't an element, then don't show LOLcats or whatever. If you are looking for a job where your personality is part of the skillset they're looking for, and LOLcats or LOLwhutever represents part of your personality, there's no reason not to have them somewhere.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: true. But the person on Facebook who sent me her blog wasn't looking for a job that required a personality. And, personally all I saw on her blog were LOLCats. Not good.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, that's a great thing. Better to find out sooner than later a person doesn't have common sense. - just saying.
- Mona Nomura
All is a lot different than any, Mr. Scoble. I think you're a little off-base here. Yes, your online identity should reflect professionalism, but I have been known to post the occasional snarky comment or funny pic, yet somehow I still give a professional appearance(you may disagree). I guess it's a question of content to fluff ratio.
- Mr. Gunn
'All' & 'Never' can rarely be taken literally.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I am a strong believer in people being able to let loose and be themselves, no matter what it looks like. I agree with the idea of a professional blog being professional, but I don't like the idea of eradicating all material not pertaining to a chosen field. A little irrelevant material that showcases your personality is a plus in my eyes.
- Korey
Mona: This is also a valid point and touches upon what I was saying. Seeing someone's personality in such ways is a good way of seeing the pros and cons. The person may look as professional as it gets, but be a complete buffoon when it comes down to it.
- Korey
Korey: one way to look at it is like a great pasta dish. LOLCats are like salt. Just a little bit of LOLCats? That makes it more interesting. All LOLCats? No job for you.
- Robert Scoble
Just dropped a deuce on the comment string related to this one.
- tony
So a dash of salt is ok, whereas the entire container not so much. Rarely is it an all or nothing proposition...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Wow, and this had to be stated? Hmmm...
- Danielle Closs
Robert: Indeed. If 90% of what your posting is LOLCats, then yes, it wont help you get a job, especially if that's what you are sending people to for a job (however fun that may be). My main point is don't stifle your personality in order to get the job. Show them you are a person that can do the job well, not just a drone. In saying that, my posts (eventually) will be salty. :)
- Korey
I do like my LOLCats. Too much? I get your point on the salt. A little personality & flavor is good, too much, you don't go back
- AJ Kohn
then again, there are companies like one i used to work for that asked what your favorite lolcat was as part of the interview... ;(
- Sean Canton
from twhirl
Finally, an interview question I have an answer for ;-) Actually, it's a very good answer...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina: Oddly, I could probably answer that one too. Not sure that's a good or a bad thing.
- AJ Kohn
r/t myself : so where does radical transparency/naked convos/etc fit into this? u can't get a job in smm w/sunday school tweets
- Ms_Krista
"There are no jobs for social media experts"? Not sure anyone is really an expert yet but there are community and social media manager type jobs around, I know a few people working only on social media now, including me. How can there be social media companies but no social media jobs?
- jjprojects
you are an expert :P
- Rachael Depp
Why? I love LOLCATS, and my blog does have an About me page for curious employers.
- Ron
Ron, the LOLcats say more about you to a potential employer than a carefully worded blurb about yourself.
- Mark Trapp
Is anyone employed by icanhascheezburger.com? If so, do they need to remove any references to LOLCats?
- James Little
James: if you want a job there you better ONLY have LOLcats.
- Robert Scoble
So what do you think about using txt spelling on your blog? does it make u sound like u r 12 yrs old, or is it not prejudicial?
- Mr. Gunn
My blog doesn't have lolcats, and it would need to be a terrifically amazing lolcat for me to ever consider blogging about it, but just for the question, where IS the proper forum for piling up the lolcats you happen to like where people can behold them?
- Matthew DeVries
What if you are trying to get work with Icanhascheezburger?
- Joe Dawson
I CAN HAZ JOB?
- Kevin Leroux
If you are laid off, here’s how to socially network - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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"Chris R: you can lock down your facebook account and keep outsiders from seeing inside of it. For outsiders I would just post a link to your blog or your LinkedIn page and be done with it. Go in with a friend and make sure you can’t see any of your drunken college photos. :-)"
- Robert Scoble
This is what Social Media is really about - http://www.winextra.com/index...
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It's good to note that tools are just tools. However, I have a question bouncing around in my head - do these particular tools allow us to reach MORE people, or do they let us reach the SAME amount of people (but possibly a different set of people)?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
@OE .. a damn good question .. now I'm going to have a bitch of a time getting to sleep and it's your fault :)
- Steven Hodson
I suspect the latter, that we reach the same number of people. David Armano did this wonderful thing via a blog, but perhaps (using Los Angeles examples) Paul Moyer could have done this on TV, Bill Handel on the radio, TJ Simers in a newspaper column, or Rick Warren at a Sunday service at Saddleback.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Similarly, if I were to post a similar request on my blog, I would not be able to do as much as Armano, because I don't have his reach. The tool (blog, TV, whatever) doesn't effect change - the people using the tool do.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
But perhaps some use the tools better than others, thus having a greater reach...now I won't be able to sleep either...
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Thanks for the awesome post Steven. ChipIn does look pretty interesting. Should be seeing it more often now!
- Shinil Payamal
Could we see a summer release of Windows 7? - http://www.winextra.com/index...
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Half Moon Bay Bakery Christmas Cookies FTW!
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Merry Christmas from Half Moon Bay, California, USA.
- Robert Scoble
from email
Now, how do we transfer those instantly over the Internet? Where is Willie Wonka when you need him?
- David Z
Oh yummy! Which bakery is that? There is one on a corner of Main Street that connects to a whole shopping center that has delicious goodies! Marry Christmas!
- Katie: Whelmed Overly
It is on main street.
- Robert Scoble
Those look like Halloween sugar cookies, but with little Santas and reefs on them!
- Ciaoenrico
Those look very good. Save some!
- Louis Gray
Ciaoenrico, I thought the same thing.
- Admiral Anika
I was thinking the Pumpkin angle too. LIke they have some leftover Halloween cookies and paid some guy a few bucks to lick off all the little witches and bats and replace them with Santas. If I see another cookie like this with little Hearts come February I'll be suspicious.
- Andrew Leyden
The iPhone made them more orange than they were in real life.
- Robert Scoble
justjosef:Memories of Christmas’s past. We totally had the QBert when I was 6. - http://www.saveitforyourblog.com/post...
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Oh I want one!
- Brett Nordquist
Amy Adams | Vanity Fair's Year in Pictures, Part Two - http://www.vanityfair.com/culture...
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JetBlue | JetPaws - http://www.jetblue.com/jetpaws...
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LAist: The Gift Guide That Rocks - http://laist.com/2008...
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"Here at LAist it is no secret that we love music. From our daily listings to interviews with musicians, we could be accused of being obsessed. To help you shop this holidays season, check out our classical music gift guide and our Independent Music Store Guide. For presents that rock we have a few suggestions."
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Embargoes are stupid and unbloglike
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If you have news, don't brief bloggers or news people, write your own first-person blog post and put it on your corporate web site. Then when you're ready to tell the world, publish the post. That's when Mike and Marshall and Scoble will find out, along with everyone else. If they want to write about it, if they have something to add, great. If not, no big loss. No one needs 18 duplicate idiotic blog posts hanging on your announcement, or worse, hanging on the piece written by the asshole who broke the embargo. Embargoes are for ink-stained 20th century idiot loser throwbacks.
- Dave Winer
Dave is doing a micro-embargo
- directeur
directeur: that's funny!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: He ended it! ;)
- directeur
Dave: The problem is that some of the ones you cited won't write anything if they're not the first on it. No, I didn't meant Robert or Marshall. And that being said, I, for one, don't care at all about such a "loss"
- directeur
I had to put that placeholder comment there while I wrote the bit cause of the way FriendFeed works. Otherwise someone else would have gotten the first comment and that would have spoiled the layout. So what do you think? Are embargoes for losers and crybabies?
- Dave Winer
directeur: right. And that works for companies that care about Twitter, blog, Facebook, FriendFeed traffic. But what if you want to get onto Walt Mossberg's column in NYT? Then the game is different. Steve Jobs continually says "hell with bloggers" and gives out first iPhones to Mossberg and three other journalists.
- Robert Scoble
directeur, so? Who cares? It doesn't matter. Why do I need 18 identical articles to tell the story? You think that makes the product more successful? I don't. I think it's a way for PR people to tell their clients they're doing them some good in a statistical way, but it doesn't translate into more happy users. Pretty sure of that.
- Dave Winer
And by the way, they need to get over that. They should only write a piece when they have something to add. Regurgitating press releases *is* 20th Century journalism and is bullshit.
- Dave Winer
Please note: I totally agree with Dave and have been asking people to just Twitter their press announcements first. Then I can retweet them, and blog them and whatever.
- Robert Scoble
The real value is in the video anyway that I do after the news. Speaking of which, I have a fun video of Loic Le Meur giving Joi Ito a demo of Seesmic's new features. Be back in a few minutes with that.
- Robert Scoble
Dave and Robert: Tou're both right! What I meant is that old copywriting principle: You won't create a need, you won't change the consummer. You create a product that satisfies a consummer's need. And if your product is really worth attention, no matter if Mike speaks about it or not, it'll be known and used, be it at least by word-of-mouth
- directeur
my counterpoint is here: http://www.stagetwoconsulting.com/wordpre...
- Jeremy Toeman
Will Mossberg's opinion mean much 3 years from now? How about 5? Who cares if he likes the iPhone or whatever new Apple product Apple is peddling. Many people see right through this crap.
- Brett Nordquist
Exactly. I care much more if Brett Norquist likes it, because you're not a pompous airbag who's wined and dined by industry assholes and afraid that you might offend someone and not get invited to LeWeb or The Gillmor Gang or FOO Camp if you say the product is slow or buggy or pointless. We needed blogs because the press was too incestuous with the vendors and vice versa. So they recreated the system. BFD. It's still obsolete and a public nuisance.
- Dave Winer
Dave: You've just nailed it!
- directeur
Brett: many CEOs say that Mossberg isn't important to them anymore (Like.com's CEO even wrote a blog post saying that two years ago). In fact, a few CEOs tell me they got the most traffic to their pages from Twitter, not from any single blog. That's why I love Twitter and FriendFeed. No one is an "A lister" here. If I try getting out of control you just can leave me a comment saying I'm a pompous airbag who's wined and dined by industry assholes.
- Robert Scoble
directeur, you should read some of the Davenets I wrote in 1994 and 1995 and again in 1998 and 1999 and in 2003. You'll see we're just popping the same bubble over and over. Great.
- Dave Winer
Robert: Ha! You're right, but things are still to improve and you know what I mean ;)
- directeur
@Brett - nobody cares about Mossberg or even much about his opinion - they care about putting the product in front of his audience.
- Eddy Cole
Oh, by the way, today with Loic Le Meur I told him why I don't use Twhirl or Seesmic and how to get me back. I don't care if I get invited back to Le Web. And I made my own foocamp. Every day has been a foocamp in my life since getting kicked out of that four years ago. Funny enough I'm interviewing Tim O'Reilly on Friday. I might just tell him what I thought about getting kicked out.
- Robert Scoble
There's hope for you yet Scoble. :-)
- Dave Winer
Dave, and so was the case of an old greek philosopher :)
- directeur
Oh, and Dave, I remember you showing me a few things and asking me not to blog about them until you had a chance to explain them first. So, even you have a use for embargos and NDAs.
- Robert Scoble
Just say NO to dingleberries!
- Mona Nomura
Robert, they're not the same IMHO. Was what I asked you an embargo? Don't think so... I just wanted an expert's opinion from a fellow ninja and some time :)
- directeur
directeur: they are a member of the same family. I guess you didn't ask me to not talk until tomorrow at 9 a.m., but you asked me not to tell anyone about what you're doing until you had a chance to work on it more. I think that's very fair, by the way, and I agree to those kinds of things all the time. I'm rarely in the news business lately anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Hey, we all break our own rules from time to time. That doesn't mean they aren't the RIGHT rules,right? :-) "Embargoes are for ink-stained 20th century idiot loser throwbacks." Here-here! What do PR firms do any more, but help you write that draft post if you don't have time or in-house resources and aggregate subscriptions to the 19th century newswires for slightly more affordable access?
- michael silverton
We need a definition of embargo. I'm too tired to write one but it involves briefing more than one person to try to create a surge of orchestrated press. I might have told you about something I wanted to do as a form of kibitzing, but not for the purpose of getting you to write about it. I would much rather follow the formula I put out at the beginning of this thread. Then if you screw it up (sorry but you usually do) at least people can read the official explanation of what the thing actually is.
- Dave Winer
Dave: that's because you never give me your own demo on video. That's what I usually do with new companies, so your point is incorrect. I would rather have a CEO explain what he's doing by showing it to me. Or, in the case of what Seesmic did today, showing it to someone else and letting me film (that'll be up in a few minutes).
- Robert Scoble
I don't like doing videos.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you read my mind. So many brands don't even have their own blogs. They could be doing exactly what TechCrunch is doing, to just as large an audience, with just their brand if they put some effort into it.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: that's OK, I'll always be among the first to link to your new stuff however you like to explain it.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I don't know about "just as large an audience." Potentially as large, yes. More targeted and probably relevant, yes. We humans still have this herd behavior where we tend to anoint tribal clue leaders and then tune out all the rest. Often strikes me as an evolutionary hurdle.
- michael silverton
Dave: So maybe just add to your opening comment as optional step: create Viddler, Vimeo, BlipTV, BlogTV, Ustream, whatever; and make public at time of blog post. Seesmic stands alone for conversation; several others have great HD quality for one-time blasts. For additional video expertise: www.sukhjit.me and www.giannii.com among others. RS needs no introduction. :-)
- michael silverton
My comment when I bookmarked this on delicious: If you think you need to control press coverage, what you actually need to do is come up with a good product.
- Jordan Cole
As long as blogs keep moving more toward operating like MSM, then traditional things like embargos will exist for blogs as well as MSM.
- Lynne d Johnson
I'm finding it more difficult to determine who is on the take and who isn't. If Mossberg writes about Netbooks I'm skeptical because I don't know if there's some sweet deal for Walt. Maybe there isn't but I trust Dave's take on Netbooks because he spends his own money on them. When I worked for Microsoft we sent high end laptops to editors (like PC Mag) to review products like Office. But they could keep the laptop. How many bad reviews do you think were written on those laptops?
- Brett Nordquist
Stilist: Well said.
- michael silverton
Brett: This doesn't get less ambiguous, moving forward, does it? :-)
- michael silverton
Lynne: I think that was Dave's original point, no? Save as draft. Push live when ready.
- michael silverton
I have some thoughts on this topic. If you're interested, just ping me so I can send you an NDA. Once you agree to it, I'm happy to offer some analysis. Thx.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Kevin: Please consider this comment as signed NDA. Fire away. :-)
- michael silverton
Sorry Michael. I mentioned my commentary to the kids at dinner in passing and it's all over Runescape now. I release you from said NDA. :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
Kevin: Oh, gee golly, really? Darn. Well, ooo-kay, let me know if we at The Gullible Agency LLC can be of any future service and Have A Nice Day. ;-)
- michael silverton
I'm glad Dave Winer got to hear the Berkeley J-School crowd explain to him that listening too well to the users is unethical.
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Crowdsourcing does not always provide the answers that you expect. I wonder what would be on the front page of the NY Times if popularity was the determining factor for what stories got published. Celebrity gossip? If so, would they be obliged to hire Perez Hilton as their managing editor? People also tend to not like depressing news like people dying in wars, world hunger, pollution,...
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- scott anderson
Crowdsourcing? Who said anything about crowdsourcing? Who said newspapers should start editing the front page based on popularity? Where did the phrase "cater to the masses" come from? Where are you getting these things from? "If you want to keep their interest, you need to be interested in them." That was his main point. Does that say "edit the front page by market survey?" Jeez-a-roni.
- Jay Rosen
Slippery slope. How do you get there from here? Quoting from Dave ... "it was largely considered unethical for a reporter or editor to know which sections of the paper were most read by users of the paper. If the reporter knew, the story goes, he or she might be influenced by peoples' interests in deciding what to write about." Dave indicated that this type of thinking was a bug. I disagree.
- scott anderson
It's often commonly known information that some parts of the magazines are more often read than others (while that information is based on the small sample of tests). Anyways, in most newspapers most commonly read page is comics. ;)
- Daniel Schildt
Where's the switch? The switch that causes people to hear Dave Winer saying, "listen to users" and yet what the brain receives is "abandon all judgment, all intelligence to whatever people tend to consume." Where is that switch?
- Jay Rosen
BTW, here's the piece people are responding to. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Dave Winer
Jay, it's the same switch that flipped when people told us at Salon a decade ago that we should never look at our traffic reports because it would corrupt our judgment as journalists and turn us into bottomfeeding scum.
- Scott Rosenberg
Yes, the same switch; and I recall that battle pretty well. By the way, is "slippery slope" considered a thought? I mean do people still think of that as an argument: "once you start down, the only option is complete loss of balance until you hit the bottom?" To me that seems more like an escape from the necessity of having to think about something, but maybe shouting "slippery slope" at a problem still sounds like a thought to some folks. If so, it's kind of sad, no?
- Jay Rosen
My most popular blog post is a throw-away picture of Bruce Lee beating up Chuck Norris. Knowing my stats, do I keep posting Lee/Norris stuff? No. But the next ten most-pop posts are about science, and I notice what style and format appeals to ppl, and I may slightly modify my writing style of posts about science - making them better because of this information.
- Bora Zivkovic
I can process the readers' info and not go down the slippery slope. I am still in charge, but feedback - direct through comments and indirect from traffic stats - improves my writing. Newspapers can do the same.
- Bora Zivkovic
Right. "Slippery slope" can mean "pack appropriate footwear, move with caution" but too often people use it to mean "that's scary, let's just sit tight." And there *are* sometimes piles of dazed bruised people at the bottom of the hill.
- Scott Rosenberg
Maybe this is what it is. When people make that equation, "to listen is to cave," they are not making an observation about listening at all. They are making an observation about other people, what scott anderson called "the masses." The masses lack discipline, the masses want entertainment, the masses want Britney Spears-- not news. Most important: the masses are not me, the observer of other people and their decadent habits. And so to challenge the equation, listening=caving, is to take "the masses" away.
- Jay Rosen
But "masses" are interested in stuff other than Britney Spears. Sometimes they don't know it because all the media serves them is Britney Spears: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
You never know what you'll learn if you listen, that's what's really stupid about arguing about whether you should listen or not. Maybe the people who want to say something to you might just make the difference between driving off the cliff and finding a new future. Maybe it's keeping *you* from having the great idea that cracks the nut.
- Dave Winer
BTW, when did listening become "listening in the aggregate." If you know anything about me, you know that I don't think of users as couch potatoes, passive participants. In the 80s when I ran a software company, we used to design regcards so as to solicit original thoughts, not just box-clicking. When a new batch of regcards came in I grabbed them and studied them for interesting comments. When I had a question, I called them and asked. It's also good for business if people get that you care what they think
- Dave Winer
BTW, you might have to listen to 100 users to get 1 good idea. In 1986, I had a meeting with Guy Kawasaki when he worked at Apple. I showed him an early version of one of our products, we had thrown the kitchen sink into it, every half-baked R&D idea, cause our company was failing and this was our last chance. One idea intrigued him. He said everyone at Apple was hand-designing foils to print on Laserwriters (they were new then). He took a piece of paper and drew a box around one of our pages, and...
- Dave Winer
asked if we could do that. Of course we could, and we did, and we immediately sold 1K copies of the product for Apple people, but more importantly, they were so excited by it, they in turn sold many more thousands to their customers, and our company went from being in the brink of shutting down to gushing cash. All because (drum roll) we listened to a user. Ask Guy if you don't believe me, he's on Twitter.
- Dave Winer
Once again, this leaves me wondering how journalism manages to be arrogant without being awesome. (The profession, not so much the people that practice it -- one suspects they've elevated a rough draft of their core values to a religion, and now can't escape from it.)
- j1m
The thinking behind the slippery slope comment was that newspapers are a business that exist to make a profit. The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example of what I was referring to. Once you start down that road, these temporary bailouts become more seductive.
- scott anderson
Also, I never indicated that users should not be listened to. I was referring to the actual quote related to ethics from Dave's article that you obfuscated in your twitter post.
- scott anderson
Lastly, for the record I am not a journalist. I don't even claim to be a good writer. I am a user of the news attempting to communicate my concerns related to this topic to those that in my opinion appear to have a self serving agenda.
- scott anderson
Who is it that you're saying has a self-serving agenda? I like the "in my opinion" part. In my opinion your mother wears army boots! Heh.
- Dave Winer
@Dave: You and Jay. I believe that blogging in all its forms has a valuable role to play in our society. However, I also believe that MSM publications that maintain strict journalistic ethics, including accountability, also provide great value and that the two should not be mixed or try to emulate each other.
- scott anderson
Well there you have it. You should make such accusations carefully and with evidence and back it up. What exactly is my supposed undisclosed (and unknown to me, btw) conflict of interest? (Can't wait to hear this.)
- Dave Winer
@scott "The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example" of a talented auteur unfortunately working out old grievances in public, spinning an entirely unbelievable tale of willful ignorance of total disregard for the truth. Simon also managed to transplant a 1995 newspaper into the current day, an organization that apparently has never heard of the internet, either for reporting the news or checking it out before starting up the presses.
- tim windsor
And I'm with Scott Rosenberg. Slippery slopes call for greater caution, but not total avoidance.
- tim windsor
I've seen this careful to not listen approach in interviews, too. It seems like a lot of journalists only ask questions they already know the answer to. Of course, they want the expert being interviewed to give the answer, but they might as well be putting words in his/her mouth.
- Gordon Vaughan
The line between listening and trusting your own judgment and expertise is a challenging one, no matter how you cut it. But I agree that the "slippery slope" argument is nonsense. If a journalist lacks the judgment to avoid the slide, h probably doesn't deserve the title.
- Pete Forsyth
Also, @davewiner -- I've been trying to participate in this discussion on your blog, but my comments have not been making it past moderation. Can you take a look?
- Pete Forsyth
It's unfortunate that the intent of my original question has gotten lost in this discussion. I blame myself for being too flippant and not tying the point I was attempting to make more directly to the exact issue I had a problem with. I'll try to rephrase the question again in a more precise manner. Dave was informed by the Berkeley J-School crowd that they believed it was unethical to use the data about which sections of a newspaper are most popular in decisions papers make about where to invest resources.
- scott anderson
I responded to Jay's post because he had generalized and distorted the opinion of the "J-School crowd". In hindsight I should have called him out on this and left it at that. All of my comments have been directed to how this specific type of data is collected and used and this issue alone. In regards to the more general question of whether newspapers are listening to their users or not,...
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- scott anderson
That said, for those that believe it is beneficial to use the data about which sections of newspapers are more popular than the others, how should this data be compiled and applied in an ethical manner? Do you survey all the potential users of a paper like the NY Times (aka the masses, the aggregate, etc.) or do you isolate a sample group based on some criteria? What is that criteria?...
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- scott anderson
The problem with the letters to the editor is that they are designed to protect the existing power relations. See this dust-up about the inappropriateness of letters to the editor in science publications: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
There are much better ways to listen to the readership than letters to the editor. News outlets have many opportunities -- some more legitimate than others -- to shape the public discourse and influence public opinion. In reporting, in the structuring of the medium, in the archiving of information. Proactively seeking out feedback is important -- and is commonplace in other industries. Some approaches clearly have ethical implications, while others don't.
- Pete Forsyth
@davewiner If your claim is simply "news outlets should listen to their users," it seems there isn't much for anyone to argue with. I think that's pretty uncontroversially true. However, it's seemed at several points that you are taking a stronger position than that.
- Pete Forsyth
I don't equate listening to caving or that listening will result in bottom feeders but I do not discount the effects that come from the pressures related to being a profitable business, especially in tough economic times. A blog or a niche publication is a much different animal than a news corporation. Are there specific processes or firewalls that exist in the news industry that...
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- scott anderson
I think knee-jerk or reactive answers come out of a specific context, and to suggest that news organizations are dumb or naive misses a more nuanced point. The kind of influence that advertising directors etc. sometimes try to exert over editors can be extreme, and so editors' developing a tin ear to that sort of thing can, in many cases, be a very good thing. It's important hear feedback, but it's also important to not waste one's time hearing repetitive feedback that you can't ethically act upon.
- Pete Forsyth
When Obama said he was not against all wars, just "dumb wars" people seemed able to handle it. Their heads did not explode from having to make a distinction. So...There's smart listening and dumb listening. I think everyone can handle that too-- including everyone looking in on this thread.
- Jay Rosen
Jay, I think we all agree that the distinction is important. The point I'm trying to make is that resistance to input is not always, or necessarily, a bad thing. That is a starting point for finding a solution though, not an end-point. Trusting journalists to have good judgment implies respecting their right to say "in my judgment, this particular feedback is garbage."
- Pete Forsyth
As an aside, I have been blocked from commenting on Dave Winer's blog, for reasons that aren't clear to me. That's why I haven't been involved in the discussion over there -- not a lack of interest.
- Pete Forsyth
Robert is wishing all Facebook users happy Thanksgiving. My heart goes out to those in Mumbai.
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Thanks, Robert.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
sweet
- Susan Beebe
I'm thankful for our safety, and for those that protect this great nation. My heart is with you, Robert.
- Jesse Stay
Fight is still going out in Mumbai. I never felt sad for that long.
- Arvind Gupta
How do you know it is a slow news night on FriendFeed? Photo memes take over!
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So true, also this is pretty much a standard for sunday nights now.
- sean percival
You know you love it. Goofy faces and old photos
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I was noticing that is becoming a trend... interesting shift in content flow - reminds me high school! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Ahhh the Sunday photo meme
- Kyle Lacy
Politics and sports were kicked off the front page into there own rooms so photo memes and other eye candy for the brain take over. I like it this way too.
- Russellreno
Come on Robert we know you have a kid photo handy.
- Russellreno
A picture meme is worth a thousand word memes.
- Ontario Emperor
Follow The Instructions - http://www.iamboredr.com/media...
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Microsoft ads created in Macs - http://geeks.pirillo.com/xn...
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Crispin is a Mac shop. It was detailed in Fast Company a month or two ago, so I'm not surprised.
- Brett Nordquist
@CandaceHolly: how can you POSSIBLY say Twitter hasn't hit the mainstream yet? Please do tell me that. I've seen it on 3 cable networks.
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I haven't seen Twitter *anywhere* save two news articles. Other than that..on the internet. Every single person I work with I try to convince to use Twitter. They never heard of it. My family? Same thing. Friends that aren't of the geeky persuasion? Same thing. Twitter hasn't quite picked up yet.
- Candace
and CSI !! :)
- Markingegno - Donato
I've been terribly critical of Twitter. But I think it's breaking through to the mainstream -- and maturing as a platform.
- Chris Baskind
come on scoble. mainstream means USERS not press. twitter is far from that... yet. I don't see mass media's use of it any different than myspace and facebook before it. Media attention does not mean success. Go anywhere outside of the Valley and nobody knows what Twitter is. That's not mainstream.
- Patricia
I watched what's his name on CNN trying to explain Twitter just this morning.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Patricia: you and Candace really need to turn on CNN and watch for an hour. They have been talking about Twitter all day long. Also, I've seen it now discussed in hundreds of newspapers, magazines, and on more than three cable networks now. How much more does it need to "go mainstream?"
- Robert Scoble
Mainstream among the tech crowd. Ask your friend who's a teacher or dentist or attorney what Twitter is and wait for the blank stare.
- Brett Nordquist
it needs multiple millions of domestic users. until then, it represents under ONE percent of US internet users. not mainstream.
- Jeremy Toeman
was it on the VMAs?
- Eric Rice
Eric: I don't know, I don't watch those. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I work in entertainment, media and tech. I say, "are you on twitter?" majority say no. i love twitter, great example of the future of device agnostic communications and also how social networks will be communications/utility platforms in the future (or can be) BUT if 95% of the people i encounter have no idea what it is, it is not mainstream. It is nothing to get on the media -...
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- Patricia
I heard twitter mentioned on Foxnews, I was so excited.
- Colide81 (James)
But ask most people what Windows Vista is and you'll also get a blank stare.. and thats definitly supposed to be mainstream by now! or ask facebook users what chat is and half of them would probably say they didnt know you could do that.. and its at the bottom of the page lol!
- Thethirdeye.org
by the way, its okay to like twitter and root for it and it *not* be mainstream... mainstream doesn't mean "better".
- Jeremy Toeman
Mainstream compared to e-mail? Facebook? MySpace? AIM? Text messaging in general? I don't think Twitter is anywhere near 1% of the U.S. population. Based on leaked numbers, I'd put them closer to 1/10 of a percent.
- Mark Jaquith
from twhirl
My father told me about twitter when I was at my family reunion this past summer. If HE knows about it, it's most definitely mainstream.
- Prolific Programmer
@CandaceHolly Rick Sanchez, CNN presenter is on Twitter and says so on his show every few minutes.
- Prolific Programmer
Sigh.
- Patricia
/me chuckles.
- Eric Rice
@JeremyToeman AGREED!
- Eddie Sherman
You are both right in a way, twitter has reached the main stream media, but has only started to penetrate main street america, none of my family or nontech friend use it.
- Kim Landwehr
None, not one, zero of my non 'tech' friends has heard of (or mentioned to me at any rate), let alone uses Twitter. Of my real-world friends in technology, only two use it and neither of those is active. Facebook is where it is at for better or (more likely), worse. The situation may well be different in the US but that is my experience in the UK and Aus.
- mattpovey
Speak to Tom Webster, analyst at Edison Research. Twitter penetration is very minuscule outside of tech circles.
- Roxanne Darling
from twhirl
Matt, I thin it's pretty much the same in the US also. Whenever I mention Twitter to non-connected friends I almost always get a blank stare. But if I say SMS, then they know what that is.
- R. Alexander Spoerer
I don't think it has hit mainsteam - i don't have to explain to people what Facebook is but I sure do need when talking about twitter
- Anthony Feint
I agree with Anthony Feint.
- Calvin Robinson
from twhirl
Signage of Solvang, CA - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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some nice shots there of Jenny Lewis. Thx
- Anna Lynn M.
Oh, she was wearing the hat at the Echo concert! She wasn't the night before at Spaceland. But the show was still awesome.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
She's been wearing that hat, or hats like it, for months now *grin* I think it has become her trademark solo look.
- Michael W. May
gee .. I think I've been kinda busy in the almost three years I've been blogging :) 1,618 Posts, 3,960 comments
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If I become well known it will be from shear tenacity LOL
- Steven Hodson
1,776 posts, 2 pages, 32 categories, 601 tags, and 928 comments for mine
- Stephen Pierzchala
over what kind of time period Stephen? and have you found your readership go up over that time period or where there 'jumps' that coincided with any number of posts written at that time? .. just curious more than anything
- Steven Hodson
Jeez, you're going to use up all of the free disk space in the cloud. Could you slow down a bit? ;-)
- Mark Dykeman
We can all hope to aspire to that with our own blogging passion.
- Adam Helweh
I'm only at 1,513 posts. Need to catch up!
- Louis Gray
Wow...you have been "kinda busy" Steven ...nice work!
- Susan Beebe
the part I like best is the number of comments
- Steven Hodson
I'm at 1263 posts and 888 comments.
- Brett Nordquist
Steven - Any regrets ??
- Charlie Anzman
not a single one Charlie ... I actually look forward to each and every day wonder what things will get my juices going (and at my age that's a great thing :) )
- Steven Hodson
Yeah ... I forgot YOU were old :)
- Charlie Anzman
I REALLY do like the new look of WinExtra ... Nice Job
- Charlie Anzman
i remember when i passed 1,000 posts - it was a bittersweet moment :)
- Morgan
The ratio of posts to comments is great - over 2 per post!
- Allen Stern
You have 2,617 posts, 6 pages, contained within 4 categories and 810 tags. But then, I've been at it longer. Mine doesn't list comments. Hmmm. Must need to upgrade.
- Chris Brogan
Keep it real Steve. Nice to see you have the staying power. It's a real inspiration.
- Larry Kless
how has publishing frequently affected your traffic?
- Andrew Warner
Steven posting of his stats is getting to to look at my blog stats over the last year. Blog post to follow. Remember the LONG TAIL!
- Stephen Pierzchala
An article on blog statistics and what visitors actually read. http://bit.ly/2ncDAw
- Stephen Pierzchala
@Stephen - that was a good post - glad to have been able to be a spark for it
- Steven Hodson
Have I told you how much I love Chrome, Google's new browser? I used it during my talk today and about 10% of the audience was already using
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I like Chrome too, but go back to FireFox for all my add-ons. Performance does seem way better.
- Susan Beebe
I've been using Chrome 95% of my internets browsing time since it came out.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I don't know about Chrome. I only know that it's open source and Google didn't launch it for Linux. Sorry but that's a FAIL.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
@Apo Well, sorry but there are a TON of people out there who don't use Linux. They are working on a Linux version, things take time. You should take some time to stop being an ass.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Yeah! What Mathew said.
- Jim Bergman
So Mathew I don't think I'm beeing an ass. I just express my opinion. I know we who use linux are not so many and can't be compared to ppl who are using Windows. My point was that Chrome is open source and didn't was available on linux from the start. I appreciate Google ppl they do a very good work And even if Chrome was Linux-available I wouldn't have been using it. I would stick to FF. I don't want to criticize any1.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Zoom, zoom, lovin v8
- Dave Martin
I mainly use it for apps that have Google Gears behind them (Gmail, Reader, Remember The Milk) and Firefox3 for most everything else, as Chrome doesn't have the functionality that I need yet.
- RAD Moose
@Apo I understand what you are saying, but the way you said it...er typed it just made it seem very ass-ish.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
You are right, Chrome has everything I need, it is faster, much, much easier.
- Ralph Poole
Is FF3 still Crashing a Lot?? Mine Crashes 4 or 5 times a Day which is Ridiculous*
- Billy Warhol
perfectly happy with firefox on my mac so even when available no plans to switch, will try it though
- Deepak Singh
What do you love about it other than it's new? It has zero addins and fewer features. Sure it's fast, but is that enough?
- Andrew Warner
Susan, same here (only today). Loved Chrome, but come on, without the plugins it's like having a light version of the web.
- Orli Yakuel
It doesn't work on a Mac and like RAD I use a lot of FF3 add-ons with Google Gears, so no Mac version, no Chrome here.
- Sally Church
I'm already recommending it to (EDIT: PC) clients in need of an alternate browser. Non techies are amazed at the speed.
- Aaron Krug
I love the speed of Chrome, pitty there is no PPC version yet. Looking forward to extensions too.
- Ben Novakovic
from twhirl
I've been playing with Opera again and find that it has better preformance than Chrome. So does Kazehakase. Yet I always end up going back to Firefox for the extensions.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
BillyW, FF3 isn't crashing for me much anymore, maybe 1-2x/week now, though I've tried to cut back on having >20 tabs open (add-on: Read It Later v helpful). Seems that a few weeks back when it was crashing/hanging regularly, I typically had 30+ tabs open (admittedly a bad habit anyway). Good luck.
- Casey
@Casey: I regularlly have over 30 tabs open at a time in Firefox. Konqueror is the only browser that has problems with more tabs that I use regullarly (its my default browser because it loads instantly when I may not have anything else open, which is great on my P4 desktop). IE7 generally does too.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
I'm using Chrome and Firefox split half and half. Chrome is super fast, clean and love the tab handling. But I miss the mouse gestures in Firefox and a few of the plugins.
- Brett Nordquist
every so often embedded videos stop playing in Chrome and Firefox (but they do in IE). Any idea how to fix that?
- Blake N. Cooper
I have installed Chrome, but I can't really use it until it supports some of my Firefox plugins.
- Bryan Clark
I have been loving Chrome, but I also can't wait to see a new build to address some security concerns brought up. For a first beta release though I thought it made a good showing
- Bryan
FF3 still set as my default browser, but I agree with @Bryan - Chrome's a good showing for an early beta - better than some browsers that have been out of beta for years.
- Ian May
I am using Chrome most of the time these days. It is much faster when compared with Firefox, but I really miss the Addons
- Sudar
Chrome is my default browser now, but not at office its windows 2000 there. FF crahes many times for me, but I am missing some plugins.
- sirishkumar
How do you manage to get FF crashing? I use it as my default browser and have lots of tabs open most of the time, about 15 average but lots of times more than that, and it barely crash on my a couple of times with the old version and FF3 has never crashed on me since the realise. And yes I make it work. It has problems when there is lots of flash or heavy pdf, in that case you just need...
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- Cibeles
from twhirl
Chrome rocks. Watch out IE and Firefox.
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
I use Chrome on my older Windows computer just because of the very impressive performance. Once my MBP is back from repair, it is back to Safari (ugh) and Firefox.
- Daniel Jurczak
Reading about Apple banning apps that compete with its apps from the App Store at http://www.techmeme.com/080913... ,crazy.
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nice photos ! really !
- u-shy
Good News - http://engrishfunny.com/2008...
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Buying a DVD Player Step 1: Are you the same religion? If not, this could become a point of contention later on in the relationship. Don't be afraid to ask before purchasing.
- Aaron Krug
HA HA HA!
- Anna Lynn M.
Republicans are party poopers. All the cool partiers love Obama and want him to be Prez. Use it or lose it.
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BTW, if Republicans complain about something -- DO MORE OF IT. More celebreties. I'll make a list. Start with Bono and Richard Simmons.
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