Anthony is honored to have just met - and exchanged courtesies with - the President of the United States. And that was, as the kids say, pretty effin’ cool.
you promised us you'd say some dramatic line to him, did ya panic and go with "wussup?"
- Steve C
@Steve: actually no, I cried like a little girl and peed myself, as is my longstanding personal tradition whenever meeting current or former Heads of State. It's simply good protocol; they seem to love it...
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Somehow I believe you, Anthony but still - pics or it didn't happen!
- WorldofHiglet
@WoH: "somehow?" ha, gee thanks! There are no pics of this one, I'm afraid (although there are almost surely pool pics of me at the ropeline early in the night) and believe me it bugs me more than the rest o' yaz. Hopefully @ the next one I get a proper photo op.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
@ahsan: dinner at the Beverly Hilton last night. (sorry, overlooked your q.)
- Anthony Citrano
:) You LA folk have personal photographers documenting your every move don't you?!? Don't tell me that not true because I saw it on the tv....Anyway, it must have been a very special moment. I hope you didn't cry and pee too much o_O
- WorldofHiglet
Cooler than that Best of Day thread about jock itch?
- Matthew DeVries
@charlie: about my personal moment (A: right here), or about the President coming to LA? (A: just about anywhere; pick your media poison.)
- Anthony Citrano
SO, can you tell us a little more about other than the wetting/crying?
- WorldofHiglet
Even though I can't stand Obama, I have to admit, your getting to meet the president is pretty cool.
- Joey Gibson
@WoH - I don't think I'll get into the blow-by-blow here (there's absolutely nothing of substance anyway.) However, I will almost surely draw on the experience for a future article.
- Anthony Citrano
Well I hope you do deign to share some little details with us sometime. When you can be bothered. In other news, did you see the new YouTube video from the WhiteHouseTV entitled "OMG!!!!! I met Anthony Citrano!!!!! For REALS!!!!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I hear it's going viral....
- WorldofHiglet
WoH: don't make fun o' me! we've already determined I cry easily. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Ooopsie - my bad. I forgot you were such a delicate little flower :)
- WorldofHiglet
If you shook his hand, you have been changed. : )
- Phil Boiarski
@Phil - I did twice. Should I not have showered? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
The track is almost done. Source code won't be available, but if you dedicate yourself into it, you'll be able to get it from the music track. More details soon.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
@shey: this is totally the most awesome thing you've ever shared here on FF, ever. it's a significant, seminal moment. let us recognize.
- .LAG liked that
حکایت بیخدا بودن من مثل حکایت مسلمون بودن خیلی از مسلمونزادههاست. یعنی ارثیه نه اکتسابی. حالا تصمیم گرفتم یکم رو این قضیه مطالعه کنم، شاید خدایی وجود داشته باشه. دوستان باخدا منبعی دارن که به اثبات وجود خدا بپردازه؟
من که هرچی خواستم رضا رو به آغوش اسلام برگردونم نشد....حبسشم کشید!
- nick
نه منظورم خیلی از مسلمونهاست که مسلمان هستن چون تو خانواده مسلمان به دنیا اومدن و به غیر از کتاب دینی چیز دیگهای نخوندن. منم کتابایی که خوندم همشون غیر دینی بوده گفتم یه دوتا کتاب یا منبع خدا شناسی اگه هست بخونم شاید نظرم عوض بشه راجع به خدا
- maral
نیک@ بالاخره به آغوش اسلام بریم یا نریم؟ :)))٬
- maral
والا من واسه رضا گفتم چون دلم میخواد اون دنیا با حوریای ۷۰ متری باشه فکر نمیکنم واسه شما خانما جایی باشه تو بهشت پس همینجا خوش باشو بیخدا باش...
- nick
مارال جان شما بیا به آغوش من .. اسلام سودی نداره..!=))
- اردی خان
اقایی..بیا تو هم بی دین شو باهم بریم جهندم ..حالش رو ببریم:)))
- rezaraz59
موضوع اصلي همينه كه خداپرستان احتياجي به ثبات وجود خدا ندارند.
- Masoud
from BuddyFeed
راستش من به نسبت خیلی فکر و مطالعه کردم در این زمینه. چیزی حدود 15 سال و در آخر به این نتیجه رسیدم که وجود و یا عدم وجود خدا رو نمی شه اثبات کرد. دلیل محکمی بر وجود و عدم وجودش وجود نداره. الان یک نمی دانم گرا هستم
- کیان پردیس
آقا از بحث خارج نشیم...بحث آغوشه. البته اردی خان مثه اینکه پیشنهاد بهتری داره...
- nick
زرنگی..!؟ من اینجا پیشنهاد بدم از روش تقلب کنی؟ به خودش تو دایرکت میگم.. :-))
- اردی خان
زیر فید رو خلوت کنید..من میخوام رو مارال انرژی بذارم:))))
- rezaraz59
رضاجان من سالهاست بیخدام....ماشالا پدر گرام نذاشت راهنماییو تمام کنم پایه های دینیم رو فرو ریخت...من بیصبرانه منتظرم تو جهنم با تو وجان لنون بشینیم یه گپی بزنیم
- nick
به من چه..!!؟ شما بلد نیستی ناز بکشی من مقصرم؟ ایشون مثل اینکه خیلی وقته رفته. شاید هم کار داره نمی دونم کجاست شاید خواب باشه ولی در هر صورت من به عنوان یکی از بی خدایان قهار ایشون را به از آغوش اسلام نجات می دهم و ... بقیه اش دیگه درست نیست جنبه ندارید. نمی گم.. :-))
- اردی خان
من با کیان موافقم ولی یه آزمایشی بود تو کتابای معارف نوشته بودن..باید به گل شمعدانی نکاه میکردی بعدش خود به خود میفهمیدی خدا وجود داره :دی
- foska
@ foska البته یه بنده خدایی هم واسه من گفت همین که میبینی گوشات رو شکمت نیست نشان از وجود خداست...
- nick
مگه عکس اون یارو رو ندیدی که گوشاش رو شکمش در اومده بود؟پس باطل شد که
- foska
آره خوب راست میگه فکر کن اگر باسن مبارک روی گردنت سوار بود چطوری می تونستی بشینی..!؟؟؟ فوسکا اون گل شمعدونی رو خیلی باحال اومد. یادم رفته بود =))))
- اردی خان
نه من عکس یارو رو ندیدم اما حتم دارم نشونشم میدادم میگفت جل الخالق قدرت خدا رو میبینی...
- nick
اردی خان واقعا به عمق گمراهیم در این سالیان پی بردم....
- nick
مارال خانم شما در جشن nothing hill شركت كرديد امسال؟؟//ما 2 سال پيش يه سفر اومديم لندن //شهر خيلي قشنگيه ولي خيلي گرون.//
- سهراب
ای بابا، من یه ۵ دیقه نبودم ببین چقدر شلوغ بازی دروردنا :)))) گفتم الان یه عالمه منبع و رفرنس میفرستن این زیر من مستفیذ میشم. اما مثل اینکه پیشنهادای بهتری داشتن :دی
- maral
اردی خان@ پیشنهاد به این خوبی میدی بعد زودی پس میگیری میگی مزاح بود؟ :دی
- maral
نیک@ رضا داشت اشتباهی برای مهدی انرژی میذاشت خودم بهش گفتم بیاد رو من انرژی بزاره ببینیم به کجا میرسیم :)))))٬ http://friendfeed.com/md23...
- maral
سهراب@ نه متاسفانه، کار داشتم نتونستم برم٬ حالا شما از کجا فهمیدی من لندنم؟ :))٬
- maral
رضا کلا آدم فداکاری هست برای همه انرژی میذاره...خیلی خوبه آدم اینقدر از خود گذشته باشه....حالا کم کم میاد سراغ شما. have a good time :))))
- nick
شما يكي از فيدها نوشتي به بابام گفتم پول بده بدم انگلستان
- سهراب
اول باید برای یه کرس که میتونه تو یه دانشگاه یا یه کالج باشه ثبت نام کنید در صورتی که کالج هست بهتره که حداقل ۶ ماه باشه. بعد باید به سایت سفارت بریتانیا در ایران برید و به صورت انلاین فرم رو پر کنید و وقت بگیرید و از فرمتون یه پرینت بگیرید. http://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk/ApplyNo...
- maral
ميخوا م بگم من زبانم خوبه//وضع مالي هم بد نيست...يعني ويزا ميدن؟
- سهراب
@سهراب...من قرار بود وقت بذارم..نه شما:)))وضع مالیم خوبه یعنی چی؟:))
- rezaraz59
مدارکی که باید ارائه بدید میتونه شامل ترجمه سند خونه و ویلای خودتون یا اسپانسرتون ( که معمولا والدین هستند) باشه٬ به اضافه یه حساب بانکی که گردش مالی سه ماهه آخرش ۱۰۰ هزار دلار باشه
- maral
سهراب اگه از دانشگاه پذیرش بگیری و شهریه یک سال یا حداقل یه نیم سال رو کامل پرداخت کنی. بعد تو حسابت هزینه زندگی دو ماه رو داشته باشی + یه اسپانسر تو ایران و یه اسپانسر اینجا خیلی راحت ویزا میگیری
- maral
همون وبلاگم رو بخونی به جواب سوالت می رسی
- rezaraz59
زیاده خداییش، گفتم خودت بگی به نتیجه رسیدی یا نه :)
- خیزران Has gone
گفتم:زر نزن کافر مهدور الدم و به سمتش حمله ور شدم و پای راستش و دست چپش را طبق آیات شریفه قطع کرده و در همان حال یک تجاوزی به او نموده (البته این در آیات نبود از احادیث و روایات استفاده شد امید که مقبول حضرت حق تعالی قرار بگیرد)و در این حین او جان داده بود وحتمن الان در دوزخ دارند سیخ داغ در کونش فرو میکنند.من هم کوتاه نیامده پوستش را کنده و درونش را از کاه پر کردم و جسدش را بر بالای کوه بالو بالو برای عبرت سایر بومیان از دار آویزان نمودم.
- nick
خدا اجرت دهد....حکم خدا را بخوبی اجرا کردی.
- nick
نیک جان تورو که میدونم خوندی..برای دیگران گذاشتم...بدانند عاقبت کافری چیه:)))
- rezaraz59
مارال جان فعلا که رضا داره واست انرژی میذاره اما اگه سوال خاصی داری بپرس شاید منم یه کم انرژی پیدا کردم!!! البته اگه رضا بلایی سرم نیاره....راستش دیگه ازش میترسم
- nick
مهمترین راه اثبات خدا این ه که خدا مهربون ه و همه ی بنده هاش رو دوست داره ، تو رو هم خیلی دوست داره و همیشه مواظبت ه / ما اینجوری گول خوردیم
- جـیحونــــــــــــ
خیزران، از بین این همه کامنت فقط دو سه تاش مربوط به فید بود بقیش بحث انحرافی و طریقه گرفتن ویزای انگلیس و اینا بود، فقط مسیح گفت که شب میاد باهام حرف میزنه، بقیه کامنتها هم از طرف بیخدایان بود٬
- maral
نه بابا مزاحمت چیه؟..... این ادرس سایتیه که اکثر کرسهای مستر رو معرفی میکنه. لوکیشن رو انتخاب کنی و بعد اسم رشته رو بنویسی تا بهت بگه مثلا تو لندن چه دانشگاههایی این رشته رو دارند. راه دیگش اینه که اسم دانشگاه مورد علاقت رو تو گوگل سرچ کنی و پیداش کنی . وارد سایت که شدی اکثرشون یه قسمتی به اسم کرس دارند که باید وارد شی تا ببینی که مثلا مکانیک دارند یا نه و یا اینکه چه گرایشی از مکانیک...
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- maral
اگه این دنیا برات چیزی کم و کسر نداره، حالا بودن و نبودن اون خدائه چه فرقی داره؟ اما اگه یه چیزی کمه این وسط، برو دنبال اینکه اون کم و کاستی چه جوابایی میتونه داشته باشه.
- A.J.
شرمنده نشد فید رو دنبال کنم امتحان داشتم میدادم!! پدرم دراومد اما قبول شدم!
- nick
سهراب و جیحون@ بله هستم خوراکمم فرستادن گزارش تخلف برای اسپمه :))))))))))٬
- maral
A.J@ نه خدا (!) رو شکر کم و کاستی نیست گفتم شاید یه چیزی اضافه به دست بیاد٬
- maral
نیک@ خوب چگونگی گرفتن پذیرش از دانشگاههای انگلستان و اخذ ویزای بریتانیا رو از دست دادی :دی :)))))٬
- maral
ای وای....آخه خوابم نبودم بگم هرکی خوابه..... انشالا تو بحث شیرین گرفتن ویزای گواتمالا حتما شرکت میکنم!!!
- nick
این تصمیم خیلی خوبه . منبعی موثّق تر از عقلت نمیشناسم . البته اگه معیوب نباشه . اگه وسیله هم خواستی میتونی از بُرهان خُلف استفاده کنی .ارادت .
- WATERS
خب مارال خانم مثل اینکه انرژی ها تموم شده و دیگه دلیل برای ایمان آوردن بخدا واست نمیفرستن...حالا تکلیف ما رو معلوم کن بالاخره به خدا ایمان میاری؟؟؟ یا باید احکام شریعه و مجازات رو انجام بدیم؟!!! :))))))))))
- nick
اوه اوه من ديگه اسپم نميكنم/فقط درباره لينكات نظر ميدم//
- سهراب
سهراب جان من خودم دیگه لینک نمیدم فقط نظر میدم :)))
- maral
نه امان و این حرفا نداریم...یا با مایی یا برما...شروع کنیم یا نه؟!!! ;)
- nick
واترز از برهان خلف بخوام استفاده کنم باید ثابت کنم که اینکه میگن خدا وجود نداره غلطه، اما ثابت کردنش سخته، یعنی برای من همه چیزش بدیهیه. چه جوری باید ثابت کنم که خدا وجود نداره غلطه؟ // داری یواش یواش فرفر باز میشیا ;)٬
- maral
نیک فعلا وسطشم، امان بدی شاید اونوری شدم // ورش رو ولی نمیگم :دی
- maral
اوکی زود بجنب که درهای رحمت داره بسته میشه دیر شد و موندی پشت در دیگه کاری نداریم کجای کار بودی....
- nick
اوووووووووه توپت رو سه لایه میکنی؟ ما دو لایه بیشتر نمیکردیم :)))))
- maral
آره دیگه از این قرمزا یادش بخیر....میخورد به بدنمون پوستمون سرخ میشد و درد میگرفت....اما بازم درست میکردیم. وای چه روزگاری بود...حالا میارم ببینی :)))
- nick
همون قرمز راه راه ها رو منم میگم، دولایش درد داشت شما چه جوری با سه لایش بازی میکردید؟
- maral
بالاخره فرق هست بین من و شما (به قول رضا ...مرفه) ...البته یه چیزیو بگم یه بنده خدایی همیشه وقتی بحث پوست کلفتی میشه میگه پوست آقایون مثل پوست (ببخشید) کون الاغ سفت و کلفت هست....البته اظهار لطف شدید میفرمایند....اما میخواستم مقدار دستتون بیاد.
- nick
@maral به هر حال مؤنّثي و يه مقدار طرز فكرت با ما فرق ميكنه . ولي من جاي تو باشم اونايي رو كه ادّعا ميكنن خدا وجود نداره رو مجبور ميكنم كه اثبات كنن ، نه اينكه خودم برم دنبال پيدا كردن رنگ ماست
- WATERS
در ضمن ، فكر كنم تو اين دنيا ؛ بايد تمام چيزهاي بي خطر رو بدست آورد . خدا پرستي هم يكي از اين كاراي بي خطره . خيلي ضايع ميشي وقتي بميري و بفهمي كه خدايي هم وجود داشته و تو داشتي گاو ميپرستيدي
- WATERS
و در ضمن تر من از قديمي تر هاي فرفرم ، منتها با محيطش و بچّه هاش حال نميكنم و فعّال نيستم .
- WATERS
آقای قدیمی :) من فکر میکنم که باید ثابت کرد که چیزی وجود داره نه اینکه ثابت کنی چیزی وجود نداره. به خصوص اینکه خودمم هم فکر میکنم وجود نداره ( البته الان شک دارم که وجود نداشته باشه) /// اگر خدایی وجود نداشته باشه خداپرستی هم کار خطرناکیه یا حداقل بیهوده ، فکر کن تمام عمرت چیزی رو بپرستی که زائده ذهن و خیالِ خودت بوده. من حسی دارم، «چیزی» هست که حسش میکنم اما نمیدونم که این «چیز» یه...
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- maral
همين كه تو هستي و كامپيوتر هست و كيبرد هست و انگشت داري و نفس ميكشي و تايپ ميكني يعني اينكه از يك منبعي وجوديّت و انرژي گرفتي . من اسم اين منبع رو ميذارم خدا . پرستيدن خدا ضرري نداره . احتياج نيست كه اونرو در ذهنت بكشي يا زنده بداري . چون اين انرژي به هر حال وجود داره و قبول داشتن يا نداشتن تو تأثيري در ماهيّت اون انرژي نداره .
- WATERS
من ميگم كه اين جهان ، كه ما فقط در بخش كوچيكي از اون زندگي ميكنيم زائيدهء بيگ بنگ يا پتاسيون نيست . خدايي وجود داشته كه اين بندهاي اانگشت ما اينقدر خوب طرّاحي شدن كه ميتونن خم بشن ، خدا وجود داشته كه براي ما نشيمنگاه توليد كرده تا راحت بشينيم ، خدا وجود داشته كه به ما چشمي داده كه 130 مگاپيكسل قدرت داره ، خدا وجود داشته كه به ما قدرت تكلّم و مهمتر از همه قدرت تفكّر داده . حالا شما يا كسي كه ادّعا ميكنه همچين انرژي اي از طريق پتاسيون به دنيا القاءش شده بياد و اثباتش كنه .
- WATERS
چرا واترز عزیز..قبول وجود خدا مثل پک زدن به سیگار میمونه...بعد کم کم معتادش میشی و باعث میشه به چیزهای بیشتری اعتیاد پیدا کنی..من میگم از همین اول به خدا نه بگید تا بعدن مجبور نشید کارهای خلاف عقل بیشتری رو انجام بدید
- rezaraz59
خداي من شكلي نداره . اگه قرار بود خداي من تو ذهنم و فكرم جا بشه كه ديگه اسمش خدا نبود . بهش ميگفتم : مامان ، كبوتر ، ماشين ، موس و اين چيزا .خدا در هيچ ذهني جا نميشه . نميشه براش ظرفيّت و اندازه در نظر گرفت .
- WATERS
نه آق رضا ، بالاخره يه پايبندي اي تو زندگي بايد وجود داشته باشه .بعضي ها اسمش رو ميذارن اخلاقيّات . من اسمش رو ميذارم خداپرستي . البته اسمش مهم نيست ، فكر كنم رسمش مهم تر باشه .
- WATERS
نمی دونم..ولی به نظر من چیزی که اثبات نمیشه و وجود یا عدم وجودش ربط یا فایده ای به زندگی انسان نداره ...راجع بهش بحث نشه بهتره
- rezaraz59
خداي من خوبه . خيلي اهل امتحان كردنه . اصلآ انگار خوشش مياد آدم رو آبستن كنه ، اينقدر كه آدم رو امتحان ميكنه . ولي وقتي كه جواب امتحانت رو ميده دستت ،اون شاگرد زرنگها خوشحالن و اون تنبل ها ناراحت . و واي به حال كسائي كه تقلّب ميكنن ،اداي شاگرد زرنگارو در ميارن ، ولي از روي دست بغل دستي جواب ميدن .
- WATERS
ببین واترز عزیز..برای اینکه بت پرست نباشی کافی نیست بتها رو بشکنی باید خوی بت پرستی رو ترک کنی(نیچه)..این حرف تو من رو به یاد این جمله ی نیچه می اندازه
- rezaraz59
من اثباتش كردم ، البته به زبون لُري . فكر نكنم كسي بتونه به همين سادگي كه من تونستم اثباتش كنم تكذيبش كنه . به هر حال خداپرستي يه امر خيلي خيلي شخصيه و من نميتونم شما رو با اين حرفها خداپرست كنم و شما هم نميتوني من رو از خداپرستي دور كني .بايد ديد و عقلاني تصميم گرفت .
- WATERS
در واقع عقل تو تمام خدایانی رو که ادیان معرفی میکنند پس میزنه...ولی تو همچنان بخاطر خی خدا پرستیت داری دنبال خدا می گردی(که لعنت بر اون کسی که سنگ بنایش رو گذاشت)
- rezaraz59
من بتپرست نيستم و اصلآ خودم رو درگير پرستيدن چيزي يا كسي نميكنم .خودم رو درگير اديان نميكنم . دين فقط يك وسيله است براي خودشناسي و خوداشناسي . هر كسي هم ممكنه با يك وسيله اي راحت تر باشه . بعضي ها هم ترجيح ميدن بدون وسيله خودشناس باشن يا خدا شناس و بعضي ها هم اصلآ اين حرفها به بيضشون نيست . من يكي كه سنگ بناي تمام اين حرفها رو خودم گذاشتم ، نه هگل و نيچه رو نگاه كردم و نه محمّد و ابراهيم رو . اگه خوبه خودم تو اين بنا زندگي ميكنم و اگر هم بده كه رو سر خودم خراب ميشه .
- WATERS
فکر نمیکنم آفرینش دلیل خوبی برای اثبات خدا باشه، تو میگی خدایی بوده که بند بند انگشت ما رو طراحی کرده نه بیگ بنگ٬ خوب این خدا از کجا اومده؟ اونو کی خلق کرده؟ ( به نظرم اگه خدایی هم باشه دنیا رو از طریق همین بیگ بنگ و فرایند تکامل خلق کرده)٬
- maral
خالق رو كسي خلق نميكنه . بوده ؛ هست .؛ خواهد بود . بيگ بنگ يه نظريهء علميه كه با ادعاهاي خدا تقريبآ تناقضي نداره . بيگ بنگ در ردّ وجود خدا نيست . بلكه چگونگي به وجود اومدن كيهانه . انكه در ردّ وجود خداست پتاسيونه . پتاسيون .
- WATERS
به هر حال وجود و عدم وجودش ربطی به کسی پیدا نمیکنه..و باورش یک چیز کاملن شخصیه...چیزی که مهمه اینه که کسی مجبور نشه بخاطر افکار و عقاید شخصی شما کار خلاف عقلش انجام بده
- rezaraz59
ميگه در ابتدا يه ذرّه اي وجود داشته ، حتّي در حدّ مولكول يا اتم . اين ذرّه به مرور زمان و با دخالت انرژي خارجي ، مثل حرارت ، باد يا هر چيز ديگه اي دچار تغيير حالت و تغيير شكل ميشه و به مرور زمان اين دنيا رو به اين شكلي كه ما ميبينيم به وجود مياره .
- WATERS
خوب حتی اگه این نظریه هم درست باشه و خدا هم وجود داشته بازم با هم منافاتی ندارند. به هرحال خدا برای خلقت باید از یه روشی استفاده میکرده دیگه. برای همینه که میگم برای اثبات خدا استفاده از نظریه ی آفرینش درست نیست. باید دلایل دیگهای وجود داشته باشه٬
- maral
دليل به اين بزرگي رو ول كنم و برم دنبال دلاليل كوچيك ؟
- WATERS
بیاییم اینجا تا این واترز این دختره رو مسلمون کرده...خب دلیل شما برای وجود خدا چیه واترز عزیز ..همون برهان علیت؟
- rezaraz59
البته پتاسيون هم مشكل داره . چون بايد مشخّص بشه همون يه مولكول ،اتم يا كوانتوم و انرژي از كجا اومده و اصولآ اين اكتيويته چجوري و با اذن و به چه دليل صورت گرفته
- WATERS
این که نمیشه بگی هرچیزی باید یک خالقی داشته باشه..بعد خودت بزنی زیرش و بگی یک چیزی هست که نمیشه خالق داشته باشه
- rezaraz59
يني تو ذهنت نميگنجه كه خدا رو هيشكي خلق نكرده باشه ؟
- WATERS
اگر برپایه ی منطقی و فرمولی بحث میکنی باید خودت ابتدا به اون پابند باشی....اگر میگی دو سیب به علاوه ی دوسیب میشه 4....باید قبول کنی من هم میگم 2 هلو با دو هلو میشه چهار هلو
- rezaraz59
من قبول دارم كه 2*2=4 ولي خدايي كه خودش قانونگذاره رو نميشه تو هيچ قانوني جا داد
- WATERS
خب اینجوری نمیشه بحث کرد..با این دلایل هرچیزی رو که وجود نداره میشه اثبات کرد..منطقی نیست که بگی تو نمیفهمی و....اتفاق به نظر من خدا باید طوری باشه که همه بفهمند
- rezaraz59
بجز خدا هيچ خلف ديگه اي وجود نداره . هر چيزي تو دنيا زاييدهء علّت و معلوله . و اينكه خدا بايد چيزي باشه كه همه بفهمند به نظر من يه نمه ميلنگه . نميشه كه همه همه چيزو بفهمن .
- WATERS
یک لحظه فکر کن دنیا چقدر میتونه بزرگ باشه...خدایی که اون رو آفریده باید خیلی بزرگتر از ان دنیا باشه..حالا چنین خدای بزرگی باید بیاد تو روابط جنسی دوتا ذره دخالت کنه؟
- rezaraz59
ما چيزي داريم به نام عقل . ازش استفاده ميكنيم . ولي ديده نميشه . بلكه اثراتش رو ميبينيم . پس بگيم عقل نداريم چون نميبينيم ؟
- WATERS
روابط جنسي هم جزو يكي از اختيارات آفريده هاس . اختياره نه جبر و نه قانون
- WATERS
عقل و افکار انسان واکنش شیمیاییه سلولهای مغز هستند که با دستگاههای آزمایشگاهی قابل اثباتند
- rezaraz59
نمی دونم..چرا وقتی چیزی رو نمیدونم افسانه و دروغ بگم که برای رفع اون مجبور بشم دروغای گنده تری بگم و دنیا رو برای مردمش جای بدی بکنم؟
- rezaraz59
فقط میدونم اینهایی که میگن با عقل جور درنمیاد
- rezaraz59
قانونه . هر انتقادي يه پيشنهاد داره . چرا براي انكارش دليل داري ، ولي براي قبولش نميتوني دليل بياري ؟
- WATERS
تو هم به خودت بگو..خدایی که همه کارهاش با حکمته ..حتمن حکمتی داشته که عقل ما رو ناقص آفریده تا نتونیم بفهمیم که هست یانه:))
- rezaraz59
خب نمی دونم..نمی دونم..تو یک دلیل بیار بر وجودش
- rezaraz59
در سيستم مغز و مخچه ، ارتعاشات الكتريكي داريم . با دستگاه هم ميشه پي به ارتعاشات بِرد . ولي قدرت انتخاب ، عكس العمل ناگهاني و هزارتا دليل ديگه هم ميشه آورد كه هيچ دستگاهي قادر به ثبتشون نيست . در اين مورد چي ميگي ؟
- WATERS
در مورد روح مطالعه نكردم . راستش زياد در اين مورد خوشمم نمياد تحقيق كنم . ولي به نظرم روح همون انرژي پنهانيه كه خدا تو آدم فوت ميكنه يا بقول علما تو آدم ميدمه
- WATERS
منظورش نظر من بود..بخاطر اطاله ی بحث نگفتم:))
- rezaraz59
خوب ، حالا من دلايلم رو براي اينكه نشون بدم كه قبول دارم هست گفتم ، ولي شما هنوز چيزي نگفتين كه بفهمم كه هست يا نه
- WATERS
واقعیت اینه که نه ما دلیل قانع کننده ای بر عدم وجود خدا داریم(نمی دونم چطور چیزی که نیست رو ثابت کنم که نیست)...نه شما دلیل قانع کننده و درستی بر وجودش..ولی اصرار داری که هست
- rezaraz59
من که الان در دوران ندونستن به سر میبرم. ولی به نظرم با نظریه آفرینش نمیشه ثابتش کرد چون اگه من بگم که دنیا از یه ذره به وجود اومده تو میگی اون یه ذره از کجا اومده اگه تو بگی خدا دنیا رو به وجود اورده من میگم خدا رو کی به وجود اورده
- maral
نه آق رضا ، من غلط كردم كه اصرار كردم . من كجام به اصرار ميخوره . من ميگم : اينا رو ميبينم و پيش خودم فكر ميكنم و ميگم : اين همه چيز ميز رو يكي خلق كرده . هيچ اصراري هم بر اينكه حتمآ خالق اينا خدا باشه ندارم . شما دليل بيار كه اينايي رو كه داريم ميبينيم كار خدا نيست .
- WATERS
من بعضی وقتها فکر میکنم که خدا خودش قسمتی از همین خلقت بوده نه آفرینندش
- maral
مارال جان ، من استثناء رو قبول كردم . چون دليل بر ردّش نديدم . فك ميكنم بايد استثناء رو قبول كرد .
- WATERS
ما کوچکتر از اونی هستیم که رفیق شما باشیم... دوستدار شماییم
- rezaraz59
نه بابا ،چيچو راحت ؟ ككشو انداختي تو تنبون ما و نميدونيم و راحت ؟ اين بچّه 2 ساعته يه لنگه پا وايساده و ميخواد ببينه چي شده كه اينطوري شده . اونوقت بگيم نميتونيم ؟ كرس لاتيه جون دادا
- WATERS
میشه استثنا قائل شد. در این صورت خدا یه چیز خیلی بزرگیه که ممکنه تو مغز من جا نشه. فکر کنم مشکل از همون معیوبی عقل باشه که اون اول گفتی. باید برم رو عقلم کار کنم یکم٬
- maral
باید عقلت رو معیوب کنی تا خدا رو درک کنی:))
- rezaraz59
الكي خودتو معطّل نكن مارال جان ، انسانيم و خيلي ناچيز . انسانيم و با ذهن هاي خيلي خيلي محدود . تازه ؛شما كه مؤنّث هم هستي و كارت دو برابره :)))
- WATERS
کاری با من ندارید واترز گرامی و مارال عزیزتر از جان؟
- rezaraz59
مرسی رضا جان از تمام انرژی هایی که گذاشتی :))
- maral
انرژی که نه در راه عزیزان بود..بار گرانیست کشیدن به دوش
- rezaraz59
واترز جان از شما هم ممنون که انرژی گذاشتید که مرا به راه راست هدایت کنید. تیکه اخرتون رو هم گرفتم٬ :دی البته انقدر مستقیم بود که دیگه تیکه نبود
- maral
مخلصيم رضا جان ، در ضمن ذليل نميري كه دستم رو گذاشتي تو دست رفيقت .
- WATERS
بیربط به فید و کامنتها، مارال توکه تو انگلیس هستی، من یک دوستی دارم تو کینگستون اپان تیمز، احتمال داره بشناسیش؟ اونم دو سه سالی هست که رفته
- Don Vertigoneh
واترز...یوزی رو یکم تحویل بگیر..تو بد وضعیتیه
- rezaraz59
رضاجان، من اصلاً 300 تا کامنت بالایی رو نخوندم. کامنتم هم هیچ منظوری غیر از همونی که توش نوشته شده نداره. شما خیالت راحت باشه و به کارت ادامه بده ;)
- Don Vertigoneh
valla zavie-ii nadasht,, in hame commentary dar morede vojud ya adame vojude khoda baraye man jaleb amad!
- Alaedin Fazel
نه فاضل جان فقط چندتای آخرش در مورد خداست بقیش بحثهای متفرقهاست :دی
- maral
bebakh-shid rastash ra bekha-hi (hatman hads ham zade-ii) man faghat shomarye kolle commentary haro didam. dar zemn arz konam bande mo-taghed be vojude khoda hastam ama na anjur ke maz-hab haye zamini mo-taghed hastand!!
- Alaedin Fazel
valla be-in asuniha dar chand kalame nemishe toh--zih dad..ama sa-aye khodamo mikonam, yek ghodrate kolli "a whole power" ke na tanha kolle in zamie kuchake bichare ra, balke tamame kahkashan-ha ra dar bar darae, va ma hame jozve kuchaki, ama taasir gozar va taasir pazir az an hastim va ba e-teghad be in ghodrat mitavanim khod va atrafe khod ra be shnasim va daryabim ,,vaghe-iyat ra...
- Alaedin Fazel
اینی که میگی جالبه اما بعید میدونم که تعریف خدا این باشه٬ این بیشتر یه نظریه علمیه // البته قضیه قطعا به همین سادگیها نیست بچههایی که فیزیک خونده باشن بهتر میدونن٬
- maral
وای من سرگیجه گرفتم ار بس خوندم....دست مریزاد رضاجان و جناب واترز از بحثی که انجام دادید....و یک تشکر جانانه از مارال خانم بابت پیش کشیدن این بحث....
- nick
@nick آره بعد از ۲۵۰ تا کامنت نامربوط بحث واترز و رضا جالب بود، اتفاقا خوب بود که رضا بود چون یه سریش حرفای من بود که اگه من خودم میخواستم یگم ممکن بود حالت لجبازی بشه :دی // در ضمن من خیلی هم خانم نیستم :)٬
- maral
نظرا رو نخوندم. وجود خدا برای دیگران قابل اثبات نیست. عدم وجود خدا هم همین طور...یعنی باید خودت ایمان بیاری که خدایی هست یا نیست ... به دلت رجوع کن
- کرگدن
My wife makes me breakfast most mornings, since we tend to both be home and she is awesome. This morning, Swedish Pancakes, bacon, and coffee. You may be jealous now.
The trick is to ask your wife while she is still glowing after your honeymoon, and keep it up until it becomes a habit. Yes, that sounds dirty.
- Alex Scrivener
French Toast and sausage this morning. Kick-ass!
- Alex Scrivener
I would like to see a dislike feature here now.
- ryan
Haven't seen Red Dawn yet, but Man on Wire is so, so good. Just listening to the guy talk would be interesting enough to fill an hour and a half.
- Mike Cavaliere
I actually get to yell "Wolverines" all the time now. It's our school mascot! HA! And I can't wait to see Man on Wire because everyone says it's so good.
- Anna Lynn M.
Help Me FriendFeed... It's Rachael and I's 5 year wedding anniversary this Friday and despite my long search, I can find nothing epic... Any ideas? (5 years is wood, that's right folks, I have to give my wife wood this year)
There are so many possibilities, Johnny. Since Rachael *does* read here, you're better off setting up a private room to get the real suggestions.
- Spidra Webster
Too bad you don't have more time.. you could make something with your names/dates/whathaveyous and custom fabricated out of a wood of your choosing. http://www.ponoko.com/
- veo
does she like wine? Or champagne? Wine comes with a cork, which is wood. So, there you go.
- Jim Hearts FF
paper is made of wood - so a hand done card that is delivered in a special way would also work. (or is there a paper thingy specifically in this marriage tradition thang?)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
There is actually a paper anniversary, yes.
- Spidra Webster
i LOLd at the words in parenthesis and then couldn't tell my mom what i was laughing about... :D Get her a wooden bowl of some kind depending on your needs... delicate and pretty or just plain functional. Oh, and congrats early. :)
- Trish Haley
My friend's been known to brag about the bookshelf her husband built her. She's a bookworm.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
You could build her an authentic wooden Viking ship... in a bottle! (Well, at least I'D really like that! 'Course, my family is Danish... I s'pose that's part of it.)
- Mark Jepsen
You could try the "Julia Roberts" thing from Pretty Woman, sitting at the dining room table with your legs up wearing nothing but a tie - and that pirate patch you are so fond of in your avatar ;-) Now if you cook dinner, that might be the icing on the cake!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I love the ideas of furniture and jewelry shared above. Furniture can't get lost as easily. To kick it over the top... try a giant flaming 5 in the sand/beach/dirt or some other kind of artsy display you take her to see on Friday. ;) Congrats!
- Holly Rae, FFer
You do know that Mrs Wortington will see this thread, right?? How about some lego???
- Roberto Bonini
A hand carved jewelry box in the shape of a lego brick!
- MicahBear78
Forget it, you're sunk. Whatever you get will be unimaginative - you are a man. Accept defeat {don't get her a gift token}.
- david
Well - I tend to do sparkly things - although this time for our 17th we are going to a spa, I'll be bored, but she will have fun which is all that matters. Sparkly things have never done me wrong. :-)
- Alternating Reality Books
My best advice: be flexible and adapt to what she wants. My 5-year anniversary was this year, and my husband wanted to give me a tree. I knew I'd have to plant, water and care for said tree, so I suggested instead we get a pair of teak steamer chairs so we could relax in our backyard together. He said yes to that, and we're both happy. And I got my wood! :-D
- Peggy Gartin
It happens rarely, but it really irks me when a store asks for ID to complete a credit card transaction. It happened to me today at an apparel merchant I won't specify here. It is a violation of their merchant agreement with the credit card issuer. You can choose it go elsewhere, try to get an exception or escalate it to their management, or cave in. But it is a good idea to report it to the credit card issuer: http://consumerist.com/333160... Stand up for your rights as a consumer or you may find those rights eroding.
- LogEx
If you're using a MasterCard and get asked for ID, you can report the merchant here: http://www.mastercard.com/us... Edit: I see the link is in that Consumerist article, too. LE, why is this in the Apple room, though?
- Rochelle
Umm...and this is exactly what's wrong with the credit card system. Stores should be required to verify your ID when you buy using a credit card.
- Alex Scoble
No they shouldn't Alex, the issuers have sophisticated fraud detection algorithms and specifically forbid the merchants from checking ID. This is a good consumer-friendly policy. Your card and signature are all that's necessary.
- LogEx
Given how many ways you can use a card without showing ID (online, gas pumps), having to show ID nowadays is rather pointless.
- Rob H.
Their sophisticated fraud detection algorithms are "we take responsibility for any fraud"...They still lose billions in dollars because retailers don't do their due diligence when ringing up sales. The scammers know exactly what stores are lax about their practices. We all pay because of this in higher interest rates and credit card fees.
- Alex Scoble
Key distinction: they cannot REQUIRE an ID, but they are not prohibited from REQUESTING it.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
That may be true Glen, but when they say it's store policy to show ID before the transaction can be completed, that's requiring. I have refused before and had the refusal accepted, and that's fine.
- LogEx
Having spent 6 months trying to get fraudulent changes out of my record and off my credit reports, I wish more merchants would verify ID.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Visa's rules for merchants state: "Although Visa rules do not preclude merchants from asking for cardholder ID, merchants cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance . Therefore, merchants cannot refuse to complete a purchase transaction because a cardholder refuses to provide ID . Visa believes merchants should not ask for ID as part of their regular card acceptance procedures ."
- Ken Sheppardson
LogEx — only if they refuse to complete the sale without the ID. If you politely decline, and they proceed with the sale, no harm, no foul. But I still do not understand why you'd not want them to verify your identity.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
21 years as a retail manager: we've never required ID but we will ask in some situations. Stolen CCs are a major problem in this city. Asking for ID discourages those using stolen cards.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I'm fine with ask, but don't require, as long as consumers are educated that they are not required. The transaction is what's important to verify, not identity.
- LogEx
Merchants usually have the right to refuse service. If they think something is fraudulent they have a right to ask. Based on your response they can refuse if they are not certain.
- Robert Higgins
Incorrect, LogEx. I've had fraudulent charges put on my card before with a completely different name. If the system was set up to link ID to CC # this type of fraud would not be possible.
- Alex Scoble
That's true and it is increasingly annoying to have stores seemingly require ID. Just say no.
- AJ Kohn
@Alex... "billions in fraud"? Do you have a citation for that. I pay no interest and only a minimal fee (in exchange for benefits). Also, ID is easy to forge too. There are no guarantees. The credit card companies know what they are doing. They know if the card is being used in a manner or place that is atypical enough to be potentially fraudulent.
- LogEx
I actually write "Ask for ID" in the signature space on the back of my cards. Technically, merchants are supposed to give the card back and ask me to sign it, but I've never had one do that. They just ask me for ID. I already have my wallet open, they look at the picture, look at me, then put the transaction through. I figure it won't stop a professional, but if somebody happens to find my wallet and it deters them at all from using the card, it's worth it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that's perfect if it works for you. My point is that it is not required and for those who do not like showing it, they should know they don't have to. Looking at it is one thing. But sometimes they want to do more, like scan it or enter the number into the register. That is completely unacceptable to me.
- LogEx
They do? Have you read the PCI standard? They don't have a real good clue of what they are doing. But they have a lock on a huge market with a lot of transactions that allows them to make a huge amount of money despite the high amounts of fraud they deal with so they eat it. To date it's been cheaper for them to pay for the fraud then to do anything reasonable about it.
- Alex Scoble
LogEx - you would think they would -- I had $14000 in fraudulent charges on my CC with 7 transactions over a 7 day period -- all through "purchases" at a hydroponics store in Petaluma. Until my wife alerted them the CC company had no idea. I live in Toronto btw and have never been to Petaluma.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian... but you were not liable for any of it.
- LogEx
The fraud number is in the billions as I said, LogEx.
- Alex Scoble
I still don't see the problem. Get a no-fee card and pay when it's due (if interest rates are bugging you).
- LogEx
No but I had to jump through hoops to deal with it -- I was in Paris at the time it was discovered -- the card was cancelled immediately. That left me with no credit card.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah, Brian, that's why I travel with two cards now.
- Alex Scoble
Brian, I understand and can sympathize with the inconvenience. But I think it would be worse if we have a regime that requires ID to every merchant, large and small, honest and rogue… and that puts your ID info at risk and only helps identity thieves and other fraudsters.
- LogEx
The liability is not the problem. My card company did not require me to pay anything. They did, however, carry the charges and show me as severely past due on my credit reports until they finished their six-month "investigation" and cleared everything.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I don't have so much of a problem with requesting ID. Its the minimum purchase amount to use a credit card that pisses me off. Explicitly not allowed yet so many businesses do it. I wish Visa would let me be an official spot checker for this so I could make a business stop or remove their ability to accept credit cards.
- EricaJoy
All my credit cards now are PIN based -- no ID or signature required. So that helps somewhat (until the PIN stealers catch up I guess) with direct purchases. Web purchases are still a problem though -- which is where the fraud came from on my card (or at least how the card information was stolen).
- Brian Sullivan
I worked with a CC company doing training a number of years ago and got the impression that the fraud detection algorithms and procedures were very strong. I found out to my dismay that they are woefully inadequate.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah, I wish that temp card numbers were the norm and not an exception. Chase doesn't offer them, but BofA does, unfortunately, BofA charges a yearly fee for most of their cards, at least that I've seen.
- Alex Scoble
Credit card companies don't lose as much money on fraudulent credit card transactions as the merchants do, especially on-line merchants who can not collect signatures. The credit card companies consider the CVV2 number to be proof that the person who is asserting the card number is also holding the card (and even this falls flat for anyone who knows anything about security). Often...
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- Andy Bakun
Alex is right about the PCI standard; it's all about CYA on the part of the card issuers. Some of the things in there don't even make any sense. Off the top of my head, on the self-auditing questionnaire, they ask if you encrypt all credit card information for storage, then ask if you've delete all credit card information after the transaction is complete and don't store it. It's really bogus.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, I agree it's not merchant-friendly, but it is consumer-friendly (which to me is far more important). Merchants, and consumers, have a choice of whether to use/accept credit cards (consumers obviously more so). It is a broken oligopoly, but it works (well) for most consumers.
- LogEx
All I can say is, I've charged hundreds of thousands of dollars on my credit cards over the years in large stores and small, much on the internet, much while traveling. As you can imagine, I'm careful with my credit card and my other credentials. I've never had a bad charge. I'm open to better alternatives, but I strenuously object to ID being required at POS, it's worse for fraud than no ID. Fraud will never go away, but it can certainly be decreased.
- LogEx
LogEx: true, as a consumer, I am much more concerned about consumer protection, I don't really care who else eats the cost of the fraud. But if anyone thinks that the card issuers are doing most of the eating and are not pushing the majority of it on to the merchants, they're mistaken. This is why we have not seen better card security features coming from card issuers: they don't have an economic incentive to avoid fraud better, and they leave the merchants' hands tied.
- Andy Bakun
Ah, here's one of them, from PCI DSS Security Audit Procedures. Requirement 5: Use and regularly update anti-virus software or programs. I notice that they've recently updated it to exclude systems not "commonly affected by viruses", such as UNIX based systems or mainframes, but it wasn't like that a few years ago. There was no way to answer this question honestly and still get 100% on...
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- Andy Bakun
Glen, it's not 1 data point. In general, the system works for consumers.
- LogEx
Andy, I have no argument on the merchant side. This is where the issuers use their power, and the market harms are done. Like I said, I'm open to alternatives for reducing the merchant issues, and fraud in general, but ID is not the right answer.
- LogEx
Mitigating Identity Theft - "Identity theft solutions focus much too much on authenticating the person. Whether it's two-factor authentication, ID cards, biometrics, or whatever, there's a widespread myth that authenticating the person is the way to prevent these crimes. But once you understand that the problem is fraudulent transactions, you quickly realize that authenticating the...
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- LogEx
@Brian Sullivan... being PIN-based, are they actually credit cards any more or now debit cards? I'm curious how that works, it's already confusing at some check-outs between credit, PIN-debit, and signature-debit.
- LogEx
They are still credit cards -- you have to be at the machine to enter your PIN just like a debit card but in all other respects it is a credit card. The only real issue is at places like restaurants where they normally take your card away. Now they bring a remote card reader to you in most places -- in some places you have to follow the server to a stationary machine somewhere. My understanding is that this has been quite common in Europe for a number of years.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah, that's a good writeup, LogEx, but I disagree that it can't involve the account/card holder on any level. I've been waiting for years for a real-time transaction authentication that works via my phone. It can be effectively instantaneous. Swipe the card, you acknowledge the transaction via your phone (to a pre-configured phone number tied to the account). This would also put more consumer visibility into the process of credit card transactions. But why hasn't anyone implemented this?
- Andy Bakun
I have my photo on my credit cards that I use in public - that works well
- Susan Beebe
I feel showing my id protects me from identity theft. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I would like to have a cc with my pic on it. Which company does this?
- Bill Grubbs
I've had to ask people for photo ID a few times when their signatures have been almost rubbed off on their cards. It might be different in America, but if someone was to steal someones card and then sign for purchases and the real card's owner disputes the charges it is our store's responsibility to trawl through thousands of signatures slips and prove that I did all I could to ensure the transaction wasn't fradulent. That's why banks are (only now) trying to push PINs on people.
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
Visa wants to take away all barriers to using their card. Don't like it? Don't use it.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I'm with Alex here 100%. They should ask for your ID, I always give my ID with my credit card. There is no inconvenience is doing it, and it helps.
- Matthew DeVries
I always thank the clerk when they ask for my ID - Personally I think it is great and fully support that move.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
If there is a scheme where people can opt-in, for example a checkbox on the card saying to check ID (which probably still won't happen 90% of the time), I'd be OK with that for those who want that. But ID is bad for a number of reasons... (1) IDs vary widely and are basically impossible for a retail clerk to validate, (2) IDs are quite easy to forge (see #1), (3) it puts your ID...
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- LogEx
Debit with PIN typically doesn't require ID, neither should credit with signature. The main point of all of this though was that retailers asking for ID are violating their contract, and consumers have a right to know that they cannot be compelled to show ID for a credit card transaction. Very few places try to check for ID, many places don't look critically at the signature stripe,...
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- LogEx
LE - But that simple step catches the "stupid crooks", the ones who will screw me for a $10 to $100 that I may never catch myself even happened. That's a good thing. The smart crooks, who make fake ID's and steal $1000s of dollars, the credit card company hels me with and will kill that person for me if they find them. It provides ZERO inconvenience. I'm just baffled that you are...
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- Matthew DeVries
The only photo ID most people have is their driver's license. It typically shows D/L#, DOB, full name and address, height, weight, license class, potentially some medical/living will information, plus mine has three distinct bar codes, one of them high-density (I don't even know what's in there, I'm not about to let a retailer scan and database them). It's too much of a personal intrusion, and it's explicitly forbidden by Visa, MasterCard, and AMEX.
- LogEx
Which is enough information for a person to establish that you are the person named on the card. All of that information should be on the credit card as well.
- Matthew DeVries
LE - If you don't want to share that moddest amount of information to allow everyone to be comfortable with the transaction, carry cash, or barter goods, or barer bonds, or have cashiers checks issued to the service provider.
- Matthew DeVries
No Matthew, I'm only standing up for the rights the issuers have given me via the agreements they make with their merchants. My issuers do not have most of the information that is on my ID, and I'd never want them to. People confuse identity with security.
- LogEx
No Matthew . . . if you're not comfortable that ID is not required for transactions then you should request Visa change their policy or not use them. The best way to avoid fraud is to not use credit cards period
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Then you should put up a post asking the CCCompanies to start requiring ID checks for all transactions, rather than standing up for a bad rule.
- Matthew DeVries
But why? I'm totally against that. I don't think ID helps anything, and in fact would be worse on the whole.
- LogEx
Why would I ask them to do that? I don't want them to require IDs
- Lindsey is Fierce!
If ID was required, or even allowed by the issuers, I'd move to other options like PIN-credit, temp/alias cards, and more use of cash. I still wouldn't use debit though, but that's another thread entirely.
- LogEx
I'm just totally lost on the logic of that thinking, to the point where I can't accept it's a real one, but just a contrarian one. So let's talk about this issue that we can all get on board with. Restaurants that make you fill in the tip and total and sign before giving you your receipt, and the cashier is often the exact same wait person who just served you, who will not watch you fill in her tip amount. I don't go to Bob Evans, Dennys, or IHOP any more because of this.
- Matthew DeVries
No, I am 100% serious and honest about this thinking, and clearly it's shared with many other consumers or the issuers wouldn't have such a stringent policy (there are other reasons for the poilcy as well I recognize... like ID isn't a good fraud prevention strategy).
- LogEx
Matthew, In restaurants that process like that (if I'm understanding correctly), if the situation is sensitive I typically leave a cash tip, and mark the receipt accordingly, just like I do for pizza deliveries.
- LogEx
Dr. Kelso: And guess what, Dr. Cox knows it, too. Although damned if he doesn't disagree with me just because I said it. J.D.: Sir, I don't think that's true. Dr. Kelso: Perry! It's hotter than hell in here! Dr. Cox: Freezing! Dr. Kelso: Great coffee, though! Dr. Cox: Rat piss! Dr. Kelso: Dr. Murphy is an incompetent suck-up. Dr. Cox: No, Bob. In fact, he's one of the finest young...
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- Matthew DeVries
Interesting thread. I didn't know about the "no ID required" policy. I understand arguments in favor of showing IDs. But honestly, it's rare that I *am* asked. And when I am, I'm suspicious as to why (Do I look distrustful? unable to afford to shop at their establishment?). I just don't believe an ID card is extremely effective against fighting fraud. I've been a victim of credit fraud....
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- jbrotherlove
++ jbrotherlove ...consumers are much much better protected against the repercussions of CC# being stolen than other identity data.
- LogEx
Do the terms of the contract expressly forbid the seeking of ID or do they simply remain silent on the matter?
- Matthew DeVries
They expressly forbid merchants from REQUIRING ID. They can ask, but not require. The event that prompted this post was a merchant who stated to me that they Required ID as a condition of the credit card transaction, even after I pointed out to them that it was a violation of their merchant agreement.
- LogEx
Not sure if I can see this affecting the efforts on PureDarwin for a while, given that we're still working on a Darwin 9-based system. Still, it's something to think about, after the issues with bootloaders and kernel extension initialisation with Darwin 10, from what I've heard.
- Tyson Key
Tell me your opinion please: Do you prefer Apple renew its iphone contract with At&T next year which this contract ends or do you prefer Verizon? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
switching to Verizon would probably offer better financial returns to Apple and better call quality (at least in some big cities like NYC) so looks like a better deal
- winckel
Apple already has gained a lot of profit from iphone, but i hope switching will cause AT&T to think more of what they can do for their customers. :)
- Mahmood Padura
So far, we've had 2 people come by. The kids were ridiculously happy to see them.
- Anika
A cute little girl in a Supergirl costume. "I'm a superhero. I have powers."
- Anika
Guy just came by with his kids. The little girl dressed in a fancy dress with leopard trim. The boy in a t-shirt on backwards. Neither kid said thank you.
- Anika
My fog machine is also not cooperating. It's emitting something that's making me cough, but no fog. It worked yesterday just fine.
- Anika
And can I bitch about the parents of only children holding out bags too? I gave mom an Almond Joy. Dad got a box of Milk Duds. Both got a heaping of *bitchlips*
- Anika
Kid dressed in all red with an 'M' taped to his shirt. I asked him what he's supposed to be, "A guy from a book." "Oh, yeah...what book?" "Oh...I don't know. I didn't read it...my dad said to say that." <EYEROLL>
- Anika
Aw cute as all! I've had no trick or treaters at all. Sad. I've got a bunch of candy to give out though.
- Shayera Tangri
Apparently, it's a dead night everywhere. And Adrian said that we're the only people within a 4 block area who is really Halloween'd out. Even my neighbors who usually give out candy aren't.
- Anika
I love those little munchkins. Tell em Uncle Dee says hi!
- Derrick
It's 7:30, I'm calling it a night. This time last year, we didn't get any more ToT after 7:30. I'm going to the Haunted house thing now.
- Anika
very cute costumes! how was the haunted house?
- Jessie
The homes were decorated nicely. I posted some pics that came out. Thought there'd be more. Probably won't go back, there were thousands of people there.
- Anika
Dear Arts & Crafts people. I know you're here and I need your help for my wedding. We're having a hell of a time finding decorations. Can you recommend a reliable site for misc arts&crafts and maybe artificial flowers?
Ditto what Spidra said, except Seattle for me.
- Rochelle
Rah, I don't know if you are on LiveJournal, but there are a lot of wedding planning communities there and I could make you a list of all of the ones in my filter. Here are posts tagged with 'silk flowers' in the DIY_weddings community: http://community.livejournal.com/diy_wed... I'm sure someone there has posted something about where to find them online. In...
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- joey
If you know anyone with a little land, you could buy seeds and have fresh cut flowers for your wedding MUCH more cheaply than the florist or artificial flowers. Bachelor's buttons are easy to grow. So are various Scabiosa and they come in a variety of colors.
- Spidra Webster
We bought the majority of our flowers at Pike Place Market for $8 for each huge bunch. In July, it seems like there should be some kind of farmer's market or farm stand in your area that could hook you up.
- Rochelle
FF friends, please make sure you don't set your clocks back twice. Like you set it before bed, and then set it again after you got up. People will laugh.
The will was made more important because she and I are leaving the country to go to LeWeb in Paris France this December, and who knows? We have the twins going to friends of the family, but if I hear better offers here, let's talk. :)
- Louis Gray
Derrick, it is bad. I couldn't read my iPhone e-mails or see the last time I called anyone. BLURRY.
- Louis Gray
You should consider setting up a trust instead of a will. That's the route I took after hearing some financial people talk
- Shevonne
Shevonne, the trust is next. We got a package deal, and will do that soon.
- Louis Gray
Here are details on strabismus. http://www.medterms.com/script... I've had it my whole life, and used to wear a patch over one eye to go to kindergarten, and then switched the next day. If I find pics, I promise to share.
- Louis Gray
Oh Louis..they weren't bi foculs where they?
- Bill Heslin
My distance vision is actually good, but up close I can't see squat. Wears progressives. -->
- Derrick
We don't say "old", Louis. We are simply becoming more mature (in public). In private we're just as immature as we ever were.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Please take care, Louis. Your (in)sight is very valuable to all of us.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks, Mahendra. :) And Bill, they are/were not bifocals.
- Louis Gray
+1 on eye dilation being awful. Luckily my optometrist is within walking distance.
- James Williams
The eyes are the windows to the soul. Yours will just have two panes. Better insulation.
- Dawn
One day, I ordred a raspberry sorbet. Prince's lawyers showed up before my dessert. We had to go to the security cams to prove I didn't say 'beret'.
- Anika
I think my absolute favorite is When Doves Cry, but I love the whole Purple Rain album.
- Curtiss Grymala
Raspberry Beret. I feel like I sing it everyday, mostly for the first lines (that's my life, nowadays). Erotic City, When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy are close seconds.
- Anika
Thanks, Adrian's all, "You need to shoot on manual, blah blah infinity, blah blah blah..." If he's not going to take my picture for me, why am I listening to him? LOL
- Anika
Well, I just shot a bunch more photos and they're all blurry in the same spot. There's a chance my lens is smudged, but I can't be bothered with such silliness right now.
- Anika