Zing! And what about Friendfeed....?
- WorldofHiglet
Lol. My dad is on Facebook but refuses to friend me.
- Jess Lee
I have a number for a good counselor. You can make it work if you want to. Are you even *really* married if you're not Facebook Married? :-P
- michael silverton
I'd say I'm happier now, because she agreed to my friend request... but she DID also accept one from Jesse Stay, so now I don't feel special. :-) And Jess, that is too funny.
- Louis Gray
So did she accept my request before she accepted yours?
- Jesse Stay
Months ago, my brother came to me and sad that "I've just had a mail which says that dad wants to add me as a friend. I think dad has personality issues...I have to call him and remind him that i'm his SON!"...
- Olcayto Cengiz
I wonder what the relationship status is/will be... "It's complicated"? ;)
- Jemm
I got a friend request from someone I could only identify as one of my grannie's friends.... almost deleted my FB account... luckily I turned out to be wrong about the identity of the requester
- Peter Efland
from twhirl
My wife and I are not "friends" on Facebook. Because we both tend toward petty jealousies, I don't need to see friends of hers bubbling up from the past, and vice-a-versa. Gotta say it's a pretty sweet setup.
- Marko Bon
Maybe she's waiting to upload that perfect "In a relationship" picture for the news feed.
- Shawn Farner
One of my brother in laws signed up for facebook. On his profile he selected that he was interested in men. I called his wife and asked her how she felt about that. She said he could do whatever he wanted. lol.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
That's hilarious. I can't even get my husband to THINK about Facebook. He has no idea what is going on in the social world....or why I like it. We are just very different when it comes to these kinds of things.
- Jennifer Windrum
from twhirl
This is now the #2 most-liked item in the last 30 days according to FFHolic, so this is stuck in my sidebar in the blog. Thanks for the constant reminder, guys. :-)
- Louis Gray
"My mother added me on Friendface, and she's set her mood to sensual"
- Bryce Roney
That is probably a good thing. I have a lot of people I cherish but don't want as a friend on facebook. It's about context. But in my case it's also a generation gap thing :) - hehe, only noticing that this thread started December 15th.
- DC Crowley
I like strands too. I installed the desktop app on a windows box though, that just died, and my other machines here are Linux, and there isn't an app for that.
- Ian May
I have some invites for Strands if anyone is interested.
- Ian May
We build what people want. Telling folks how to use the internet doeesn't interest us :)
- drew olanoff
@Ian can I have one? banane-at-gmail.com
- anna sauce
I have a couple invites too if anyone is interested in one.
- JA Castillo
I think this a great effort Drew, but I also see a major problem with recruitment and using Strands. Due to the very nature of Strands I wouldn't be recruiting friends just for Strands. I would also have to recruit them for other services that Strands also depends on. I know my mainstream friends will not want to keep up with more than one service at a time, which is what you have to do to a certain extent with Strands.
- Corvida
This is right up my alley, because most of my audience at pcmech.com is not in tune with social media and it is a constant challenge introducing people to it and trying to get them to give it the time of day.
- David Risley
Noticed a whole bunch of new follows on Strands tonight by via e-mail (and finally just logged back on) Are you doing this or is Drew?. Hey guys, I only have so much time. Ya know? Have fun at the show :)
- Charlie Anzman
Corvida, thats actually what we're trying to do. We want you to evangelize Twitter and Flickr, and of course we'd love for them to use Strands, but the bottom line is now is the time to take technology to people who aren't as apt as us.
- drew olanoff
Also, you don't *have* to use tons of services. Strands can be effective for you if you have one service...or no services :) But it doesn't matter unless peoples nongeek friends still don't know what a blog is.
- drew olanoff
Still trying to get the password reset function to work in Strands. Wish me luck.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I will be in Peru (in the jungle and hiking Machu Picchu) for two weeks starting tomorrow. FriendFeed's big launch next week will be happening without me...
Have fun; some friends of mine have visited and it sounds amazing. I think I know what you'll be launching :)
- Benjamin Golub
the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu is *amazing*. Just remember, the easy part is getting up - going down was much harder and I was jealous of all the people who had walking sticks, I destroyed my knees going down without 'em.
- felix
Well, they'll see how much they miss and need him when he's gone. A lot! Not a dumb move.
- Alex Hammer
Perhaps FriendFeed is relocating its offices to Peru, and Bret is just the advance guard. :)
- Ontario Emperor
have fun! i'm going to be down there in the Peru jungle in just over a week myself
- Brad Warren
from twhirl
It make me kind of sad that new products are so often described as "gunning for" or "attacking" other vaguely related products. It completely ignores the fact that the new product might be cool, interesting, or innovative. Instead, the focus is on conflict.
Indeed, editing FriendFeed messages has been requested for a while. Might I suggest including an indicator to show that the entry has been edited, though? Just to avoid confusion when comments begin referring to something that has been edited out.
- Voyagerfan5761
If you really want bloatware, you can add a spellchecker to FriendFeed. :) Like it or not, people often focus on project A by "gunning for" project B (e.g. Steve Jobs gunning for IBM with the Mac introduction, Avis gunning for Hertz, etc.).
- Ontario Emperor
I think the "gunning for" aspect is hyped up my the media/blogs. When we were working I Gmail, I wasn't "gunning for" Hotmail, I just wanted to build a nice email client. FriendFeed isn't "gunning for" anything either. Obviously we pay some attention to potential competitors, but for the most part we just focus on trying to build something that people will like and find useful. Not everything has to be a zero-sum, kill-the-other-guy game.
- Paul Buchheit
It's kind of sad/funny when products are supposedly gunning for each other in a market that doesn't exist yet.
- Jim Norris
Ontario Emperor: Use Firefox 2.x! Built-in spell checker when filling out forms. (Firefox is gunning for IE.)
- Stephen Mack
True. I'm sure this is also in part due to people not devoting enough of their time to read up on at least the essentials of a subject before starting to blog/comment/discuss. In my view, the comments on TechCrunch's Google App Engine were today's prime example for this. So many people commenting so much, yet apparently not informed that well. Admittedly geeky: I plotted the (low) view counts for the Campfire One YouTube videos this morning to make my point http://dotplan.codesurgeonblog.com/post...
- Mustafa K. Isik
There is an analogy glut when it comes to comparisons of products and people. When I hear "It's the next Google," or the next "IPhone" ... or hear someone called the "next Michael Jordan" or the "next JFK," it just comes across as sheer laziness in my book; and marketing-wise becomes a turn-off.
- Chris Reed
Chris: the problem there is that so many DIY business plan books instruct people to do just that - to perfect their elevator pitch with one-liners such as "we're basically doing to del.icio.us what Google did to Altavista" and "really this is what eBay is doing, but see, we're niche-specific!!!"
- Aviv
But my time and appetite for complexity is a zero sum game. For your product to win part of my life, something else in my life must lose. (another website, TV, spending time outdoors, hobbies, sleep, etc.)
- Brian Johns
Aviv: And those books are wrong.... Put it this way: Do you remember Google saying they were the next Yahoo, or eBay saying they were the next uBid? What I remember is those companies putting out a product that simply stood out as the de facto, which needed no comparison.
- Chris Reed
Brian: Spot on. Time is limited. I myself search with Google and rarely use Yahoo or Ask. I use FriendFeed, but not SocialThing. I use to be on MySpace, but got into Facebook and spend a majority of my time there now. I subscribe to Time, but not Newsweek or U.S. News. A majority of people turn to one search engine or service, so to say you're the "next Google" makes me say, "I'm already using Google."
- Chris Reed
I'm sure for some people that "gunning for" attitude is a source of motivation to some degree. But it quickly backfires and turns into frustration.
- Aviv
It's difficult to be original if you are focused on something that already exists. For example, if Apple had been focused on killing Blackberry, they probably would have made the Motorola Q instead of the iphone.
- Paul Buchheit
On the other hand, if some decades ago they hadn't been focused on the Xerox PARC inventions of the time.....
- Philipp Lenssen
If Apple hadn't focused on the multi touch innovations going on at universities they probably never would have come up with the iphone or ipod touch. I think the trick is to solve what sucks really well, using what already exists, but hasn't been applied to your market yet.
- Ranjit Mathoda
A-frickin'-men!!! If you'll forgive me, I'd like to note that I wrote about exactly this same frustration last year: http://www.bladam.com/main.... In part: "So it deeply disturbs me to see headlines like “[blah blah blah] Microsoft killer?!” or “[blah blah blah] deadly threat to Google” and so on. Trust me, I know that controversy and winner-takes-all stuff sells papers..."
- Adam Lasnik
Philipp, it's not that you should ignore everything else, just that "killing" shouldn't be your focus. It's possible to observer, learn from, and be inspired by something without then desiring to kill it. I kind of doubt that Jobs was thinking "I'm going to kill Xerox PARC" :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, we all know you are a bloodthirsty entrepreneurial mercenary hoping to wreak destructive havoc on all that you survey. Come on, just admit it.
- Christopher Sacca
people perk up right when you say another product. i pitched to a good investor and friend, and near the end he basically told me, "the best part was when you said we are going to kill ....." - it seems like people specifically look for a product to compare you with. when i don't say a product they search for one. they take their favorite line or pitch and say "oh you guys are X with Y" or "killing Z by doing blah" - sometimes you just have to pitch bite size information
- paulm
Please implement a simple feature whereby users are limited to following 100 people, or three times the number of people following them, whichever is greater. Tell any complainers that they should try to be more interesting.
- Xavi
Nice feature. But you have to use it with caution. :)
- Roger Chen
It'd be cool if they actually implemented. Unfortunately, it could cause some pretty weird problems. You can still do this by changing the date on your computer but they could theoretically implement the same thing by spoofing the headers I guess.
- Brandon Titus
What? This is a joke? Crap, I used it to pay some bills that were late. I thought I was getting over, now I find out I've been had. ~sigh~
- Brad Farris
So I can't send emails from yesterday? Damn, that would have made a great alibi. Oh well, nemesis, it seems you get to live another day...
- Slappy Line
I can recommend WordPress. Yes I know my main blog is hosted on Blogger... I am also lazy. ;-) If you do move to WordPress (and not something else like MovableType, etc.), I found a neat guide to keeping your permalinks: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Voyagerfan5761
It took me a while too, but with a one-click install of wordpress (that many hosting providers provide), or wordpress.com, the import process is pretty amazing. Posts and comments come over with ease.
- Ryan W
Just tonight I was talking with a friend how on earth's it's possible that after all these years, Google didn't manage to give Blogger a usable commenting feature. Anybody know?
- Philipp Lenssen
I've used Blogger since January of '07... and it is "okay". Who has a strong solution for migrating to WP and keeping all comments?
- Louis Gray
@Philipp Lenssen: I can guess. It's probably because they're spending their development time adding (still-incomplete) OpenID support and redesigning the "Add a Page Element" dialog (which is now "Add a Gadget" in Draft).
- Voyagerfan5761
@Louis Gray: WordPress can import all your posts and comments for you.
- Voyagerfan5761
Voyager, but isn't usable comments the feature requested for much longer than OpenID (even *preceding* the invention of OpenID), and shouldn't they tackle first things first?
- Philipp Lenssen
WP's ease of install/import is what hooks ya. Don't do it unless you want to be addicted :) "The famous 5-minute installation"
- Bwana ☠
I set up my aunt's blog with wordpress. I love the community around it and found it fun trying out different plug-ins, even though I'm totally a consumer when it comes to technology. I appreciate the good stuff, but I don't want to tinker under the hood very much (like all ya'll do).
- Ginger Makela Riker
@LouisGray: Yes, it imported everything, including comments for me without any hassle.
- Yuvi
Hate is a strong word. Now, let's say you've been using it for 8 years and you publish via FTP and it's 26MB of files every time - then potentially *hate* is a word that might come to mind. Then again love and hate are very close.
- Jason Shellen
@Philipp: One would think, but Google doesn't always seem to work that way.
- Voyagerfan5761
Laziness is what keeps Microsoft in huge profits!!!
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Scoble: lol! :D I'll drink to that. (Well, dip at any rate; I'm eating vindaloo.)
- Voyagerfan5761
I actually like a few things about Blogger, but cannot stand the comment system that forces users to another page to leave one. They need to get rid of that.
- MG Siegler
@MG Siegler: I have a feeling the horrible comment system is part of why I don't get very many comments. (Another factor would be the low traffic I get, of course. ;-)
- Voyagerfan5761
I'm still there (Blogger). It was a serious pain to edit the template and there's more I'd like to do. Not lazy, no time. The question is why hasn't Google added Wordpress-like features to Blogger? They could probably own a lot more blogs. Even though it's free and easy, I guess they've made a calculated decision to leave this space to Wordpress? Matt Cutts still uses it. Just seems weird.
- Charlie Anzman
@Charlie: Matt uses what? Blogger or WordPress? If I remember correctly, he has a comment form on the post page, which I haven't been able to do on my site. I think that if Google would introduce on-page comment forms their comment system would be golden.
- Voyagerfan5761
@Voyagerfan5761 Matt uses Wordpress (very generic) www.mattcutts.com/blog. Google would need to do more. Multiple pages, etc. but Blogger works for me .... for now.
- Charlie Anzman
@charlie great point - never thought about it, but Google SHOULD up their offerings. I uses blogger for about a week, but felt it was too limiting.
- shaun mclane
Hurry up and get your gripe list together. You have just over ten days for Case to get on it. :)
- Christopher Sacca
I am reasonably fond of ExpressionEngine, which I use for my blog at http://www.bladam.com. I haven't updated the software in ages and I haven't improved the UI in ages either (yes, ouch), but hey, it still works :)
- Adam Lasnik
Sorry Jason and Eric :) I was just frustrated because blogger is so slow, and then for some reason it did two blank posts (title only) while I was writing my post. I had to go delete them from blogger and FF. As for alternatives, I blog too rarely to justify much investigation, and I'm unwilling to use anything that isn't a hosted product -- the idea of installing security updates seems crazy to me. Maybe I'll just write my own blog software sometime -- with Disqus handling comments, it should be very easy.
- Paul Buchheit
Needless to say, I am a very happy TypePad user :)
- David Hornik
Well Paul, there's always WordPress.com if you want to change over from Blogger. I'd just be worried about keeping Google/MSN/Yahoo!/etc. presence through a domain name change.
- Voyagerfan5761
Did anyone (other than @Sacca) realize that this comment took less than 3 hours to make it to Eric Case (Blogger). This IS the difference with Friendfeed!
- Charlie Anzman
Its quite ironic but Windows live writer takes out the pain of blogger. I guess you need login in on blogger only when you need to post some images etc
- Ketan Khairnar
@Voyagerfan5761 - here is a great blog post from someone who made the transition from Blogger to WP and dealt with the problems you reference http://www.labnol.org/interne...
- Steven Hodson
dude, switch to wordpress. it's awesome. but don't tell my friends who work at SA or on the Blogger product. I self-host on WP and have been happy. If a BD guy can manage it himself, anyone on this thread can make it work. I also recommend blogging straight from Flock - it works great and is painless.
- Charles Hudson
Let me know if you want to try out TypePad. Lots of happy people.
- David Recordon
outsource the switch. some indian will deal with the migration hassles and everything for you for $1.10 an hour. if all goes well, you can then submit your story to "The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss"
- Allan Hough
@Steven: Thanks for the link. I know I've seen a procedure to do that before, keeping permalinks and everything. Actually I'd rather move to "classic" WordPress permalinks (without .html$), so I might have to do some Apache rewrites to make that work. Regrets? Starting on BlogSpot, like everyone else says.
- Voyagerfan5761
One more thing: If you're lazy, then most of us are comatose.
- Louis Gray
Hey Paul, I read your frustration with using the Blogger platform for your blog and would like to extend an invitation to come blog at TypePad. If you shoot me your username and password for Blogger, I can import your blog into a beta version on TypePad for you to take a look at (this won’t affect your current setup at all – just give you an example of how your blog could look in TypePad). Let me know if you’re interested! awibbels at sixapart dot com
- Andy Wibbels
Thanks to friendfeed, I hardly have time to blog any more, which makes Blogger absolutely perfect for hosting my blog, which has a readership totalling in positive numbers.
- Slappy Line
just put wordpress on your FF server.. blogger is horrific as a blogging tool.
- Rodney Rumford
It makes a pretty lousy waffle-iron, too.
- Slappy Line
"I guess I may be very wrong about that, and everything else that I've said. So don't go back and read my dissertation, it probably has lies in it as well."
- Clare Dibble
I used to interact with Cliff a lot at BMUG. Our most interesting convo was when he was late to a meeting because he stopped his bike when he saw a tanker truck venting liquid air into the.. well.. air. he started asking the driver stuff about liquid air and found that: a) the market demand for liquid nitrogen, oxygen, co2, etc., is very similar to their natural distribution in the...
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- Kevin Fox
His frenetic passion is pretty infectious. Kooky or not, it's apparent that he extracts value from every waking moment.
- Andrei M. Marinescu
"and we get 352 meters per second... ya... it's really 343... but here with kloodgy material and lousy drink we've been able to measure the speed of sound to not bad... pretty good!"
- Ross Miller
myth? interesting. care to elaborate?
- Karl Rosaen
It wasn't a 20% project -- it was my regular project. It predates the 20% time rule, in fact (though I always had side projects anyway).
- Paul Buchheit
Dude, don't make me look at the video again. They told me not to move my arms, made it dire. Anyway, I still claim gmail is a prime example. 20% was never "a 20% rule", it is more the mindset that you can muck around and do stuff. You hacking up the usenet code for a day to do your personal mail fits that.
- Joseph
It's getting old for Google to keep advertising the 20% time. As for Gmail and it not being a 20% project I recommend everyone to pick up Founder's At Work and read the chapter about Paul Buchheit to learn the real story about it.
- Turker Keskinpala
"If you launch early, you can start earlier on the process of acquiring users. Don't launch with a crappy product -- launch as soon as what you have is better than what is out there. But don't wait for a perfect product -- launch as early as you can, get user feedback, and keep improving the product."
- Paul Buchheit
Look at the lower graphs. Who says mainstream media is dead. If anything, mainstream media is the enabler of new media.
- Omar Ismail
it isn't dead, but it is dying. it isn't the influence that is the measure of its lifespan, but their ledgers.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Looking at those graphs, my conclusion is actually press doesn't matter, it creates a curiosity pop that quickly goes to zero. What matters seems to be organic growth. Somewhere around July '07, users started sticking, the baseline slope became nonzero, and traffic took off. I guess press pops are good for giving you feedback early on, though.
- ⓞnor
Love David's openess. Really interesting graphs
- Immad Akhund
where is the friendfeed's various logos to choose from for pasting on blogs?
- huixing
slope became nonzero? you mean right after the Time article? Also, why are you ignoring the massive step increase that's precisely synchronized with the Newsweek article?
- j1m
It seems hard to believe that the Time article created a long-term positive trend (when lots of previous press had not). The Newsweek step function, maybe could be something. I guess it boils down to what they say: make a product people will actually stick to, and then get some press to start the exponential accumulation rolling.
- ⓞnor
The newsweek change is pretty big and crisp, I'm not sure you can explain it away. Poisson model, one process/user, probability of a return-to-site event determined by a stickiness function?
- j1m
I'll buy that, plus some probability of word-of-mouth spreading. This is why you really want that "where did you hear about us" survey question.
- ⓞnor