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Blame FriendFeed - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...

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"Remember: I blame FriendFeed for this, and Robert Scoble, Steve Rubell, Dave Winer, and all the rest of the puppets and ex-Techcrunch analysts who, by appearing to rationally debate the pluses and minuses of FriendFeed versus Twitter, suggest FriendFeed even exists in the absence of Twitter. Nik Cubrilovic doesn’t help either with his cogent (except for the Rails part) analysis of Twitter’s scaling problems. Nowhere in this debate (most of it mercifully hidden forever behind the FriendFeed black hole where conversations go to die) was there a word spoken about the fatal Track bug until Jack hit the Off switch. Now, in the cool clarity of no pulse whatsoever can we begin to rationally approach a solution. Forgetting that Hillary has shown no indication of processing the similar lack of pulse in her White House aspirations, let’s put the blame for all this squarely on the parasite API suckers and their dark master FriendFeed. Good." - Paul Buchheit

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? - Paul Buchheit

I accuse my parents (a little MST3K humor) - Mark Dykeman

My guess is that a good deal of folks who are otherwise technology experts haven't yet mastered the "Hide" option, and seeing Twitter in FriendFeed makes them feel it's simply an echo chamber for Twitter. Hiding Twitter, and/or utilizing the many other sources that are not Twitter here in FriendFeed makes it more valuable. - Louis Gray

Someone pass around what Steve Gillmor is smoking. That is some heavy stuff he's got in his stash. I think I counted 10 words he seriously made up for that post. And why is friendfeed to blame for the XMPP/Jabber shutdown? - Mark Trapp

WTF? This guy reminds me of Gary Busey, but angrier, if that's even possible. - April Buchheit

This article simply doesn't make any sense. Please reword for clarity. - Eric Florenzano

This is very amusing :-) - j1m

I was afraid when I saw "?" there. And now...no comment... :S - Erhan Erdoğan

Is he kidding? I hope he's kidding. FriendFeed exists with or without twitter. In fact, I would love to see twitter removed from FriendFeed altogether. Guaranteed there would still be plenty of conversations revolving around the links shared, the pictures posted, etc. - EricaJoy

I don't follow Twitter at all on FriendFeed. I find it somewhat ironic that one of Steve G's big passions was (is?) "Attention Metadata" and FriendFeed via likes, comments, etc is actually a service that makes great use of attention metadata! - Robert Seidman

I enjoy that this Friendfeed post has more comments than his post on TechCrunch. - Mark Trapp

This is the most buzzword-laden web 2.0 rant I have ever read. It's like he is making words up to describe stuff every other paragraph or so. And.. what's this jab at Clinton in the middle? How random. - Phil Glockner

FriendFeed direct posts are really similar to Twitter in my mind. - Hutch Carpenter

@Paul can you share the percentage of FF users that hide twitter posts? - EricaJoy

Gillmor refuses to realize that the comment feature of FriendFeed does indeed add value that Twitter lacks. That's probably the key reason why I MOVED MY conversations to FriendFeed! Also, the sharing feature is the reason why I like FriendFeed! IF I merely wanted the 'stream of consciousness' of Twitter, I would just use Twitter! I think that FriendFeed 'exposes' the 'chinks in Twitter's armor' - Thomas Ho from fftogo

I think that Mark Trapp's observation is 'priceless' - Thomas Ho from fftogo

It sounds like Gillmor hasn't given FriendFeed nearly enough time if he thinks it's only "Twitter, but slower". I have a great time on here with Twitter hidden half of the time. If anything, let's blame Twitter for so much noise and/or so much conversation due to their issues - Andrew Dobrow

FriendFeed can definitely make it without Twitter...so many conversations occur without Twitter being involved at all. - Chris Rossini

That... made no sense to me. Still dazed from the insanity of it all. I see more conversations here on links and such than on tweets. And really, why is FriendFeed to blame for the Jabber shutdown? Seriously! - dgw

Hilarious - Aviv

Twitter is probably the least interesting feed I see on FriendFeed. - Adam Thorsen

funniest ever on tc - kosmar

This whole article was most undirectional article, I have read in recent times. I read it twice, and can't make out, what he want to say. - Varun Mahajan

Adam, same here. I personally find the vast majority of twitter messages to be extremely boring and of no use to me. - Aviv

Where are these "siloed conversation spamyards" to which he refers? You could say that about any chat system (if I understand his rather obtuse meaning) and FF discussions are quite cogent and open. (And seem especially so if you've ever spent any time in the Digg comments.) - Nicķ

I usually keep the Twitter FF feed open. FF is definitely NOT the only app pulling on Twitter's API. Hundreds of sites, clients, etc?. Twitter had (maybe has) time to distinguish itself. Just 'come clean' with regular community updates. (PR time?) So far it's been lame. In the meantime, there's no doubt Friendfeed will continue to increase it's pull. Twitter put the API out there. THEY need to deal with the results, whether they were ready or not - Charlie Anzman

FriendFeed is what you put in to it. If you add all your Twitter friends and nobody else, FriendFeed will appear to be Twitter with siloed conversations, but in that case that's exactly what you asked for. If you don't add a thousand people as friends and convince a thousand people to follow you then you won't see any of this 'spam graveyard' Steve talks about. You get what you ask for, and irrelevance is what you get if you add irrelevant friends. - Kevin Fox

It's also worth noting how much FriendFeed thrived when Twitter had its difficulties this week. That would seem to put a hole in the argument that FriendFeed is primarily a downstream service to Twitter. - Kevin Fox

Yea Cat fight !!!! - viki saigal

OK friendfeed is NOT twitter. Its something else, and I like both. (sticks out tongue)...via feedalizr - Photo Larry

He shouldn't drink before writing for TechCrunch - Alejandro

man, I honestly care jack shit about what people post on Twitter, but I find FF incredibly useful. Gillmor is seriously off his rocker with this post (which is the least legible I've seen on TC in a long time). - Chieze Okoye

4 years passed, all the comments are still valid. #humdaybumpday - Ahmet Yükseltürk

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