"""I agree, Utopia doesn't exist, but striving for Utopian ideals is a far better use of societal time & energy """ No it's not. It has been disproven TIME AND TIME again. Anyone who has ever directed energy towards utopian ideals has always fuked up the society they were trying to utopize. EVERY SINGLE CASE - without exception. """ 'it will never work, lets uphold an unequal, unjust, failing structure because we're incapable of anything better.'"" Nice commie reframe and word-twisting :) unequal => Unequal is good, it's how evolution works, we're all different and unequal. You're probably taller than me (I'm a short guy). IS IT FAIR that you're taller than me and for you getting a date is much easier than me, a short guy? What you gonna do, institute leg-cutting for tall people to make everyone equally tall? EVEN IF you give EVERYONE the exact same resources, pay, job, and house - people will STILL live radically different lives and have different outcomes. EVEN IF YOU BANNED the..." - Alek