"Karla, A great post. You are certainly a power blogger, it makes me realize I need to keep up with mine (new skin coming for it....finally!). I'm checking out DSL and shall apply for one. It can never hurt eh?"
- Alexander Blom
"Hi Karla, I TOTALLY agree. I love what you mention about the Toxic Crew, it's too true in many organizations (and most Australian government departments). Incompetence breeds incompetence. Dissatisfaction breeds dissatisfaction."
- Alexander Blom
"So what was the outcome here? I'm looking at Rogers Voice + Data plans on their website (45 per month). Does this mean to use that plan I MUST sign a 3 year contract?"
- Alexander Blom
Maybe they are hits from web crawler bots (not HEAD requests) that WordPress is filtering out but Bit.ly isn't
- Sam Webb
There are SO many ways that could go wrong. Content caching, duplicate hits from the same users, etc, etc. And aren't WordPress.com's counts rather on the conservative side of things anyway?
- Joel Bennett
Brandon - thanks for that link. Presumably, the HEAD requests aren't in there now.
- Hutch Carpenter
Sam - you think there's some other technology now querying these bit.ly URLs? Interesting. I wonder if it's bots related. Gonna lelave a comment on their blog post, link to this discussion.
- Hutch Carpenter
I would bet it's Bots not sure why WP is not counting them but bit.ly is.
- Jeremy Arntz
Differences in statistics are universal. I run Sitemeter, Lijit and Google Analytics on the blog. They never agree, and they all differ from the raw stats from the logs. SiteMeter is always the lowest number, but it gives good detail per visitor.
- Louis Gray
Which is so funny. A layman such as myself would expect it to be straightforward - how many times was the content called for display in a browser. But there's a disconnect between "clicks" and "views". Bots, HEAD requests are an example of that.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm noticing quite a difference between bit.ly clicks and my Google Analytics numbers. I really would like to understand this stuff better.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
Hutch, thanks for sharing this friendfeed post! Strange that this was not mentioned during the timoreilly webinar; maybe he is not aware of this issue...
- Jeroen De Miranda
HEAD requests do not count towards bit.ly click counts. What you're seeing are requests for a particular bit.ly link where the requesting client does not follow the redirect to its final destination. As Twitter continues to grow, the number of bots and other folks consuming data is definitely increasing. You can see this in action if you post a bit.ly link to Twitter and watch the real-time clicks come in. Almost immediately you'll get about 10 hits.
- Nathan Folkman
Thanks Nathan - perhaps related to the proliferation of various services tracking links on Twitter?
- Hutch Carpenter
Why not try another URL shortener like http://tr.im and eliminate one of the variables. If it is still out of wack, it is probably Wordpress. If not, it's the URL shorteners.
- Neill Adamson
Neill - wouldn't tr.im have the same bot issue?
- Hutch Carpenter
The whole bot detection issue is definitely something we are both aware of and working on. We're also trying to help educate developers as well. For example, if you need to expand a bitly link, you really should be using our API, and not, as many do, requesting the bitly link and then parsing out the HTTP response headers or body. There's no way for us to know whether or not a requested bitly link was actually followed through to its destination - that's the big issue here in my opinion...
- Nathan Folkman
Hutch - tr.im stats shows the breakup of bots vs human clicks in its analytics pages. The assumption here is that bot is well behaved and identifies itself as such.
- Atul Arora
Thanks Atul. I'm a bit.ly fan, but I'll experiment with tr.im.
- Hutch Carpenter
Goog analytics will not count clicks from twitter.com as uniques -- that's one reason goog counts are lower than bit.ly. I dont know how traffic from twitter clients looks to goog, but i've been told that some clicks from clients are under-counted.
- Adrian Chan
A little delayed but agree with your blog. I've found that there is a 30% discrep with my Google Analytics, with GA being the lower of the two.
- Alexander Blom
"Hi Matt, Agreed. Currently they don't impact but broken things can sometimes be repaired. I think the root of the problem is there are too many. Now that there are too many they become standardized, which is another problem in itself."
- Alexander Blom
"Alex, Yes and no. I think creating the means (and we all know the purpose was for pirated material) can be just as bad. More importantly, whether you agree with the entertainment industries business model or not, it is still theft. Power to the people and everything else I think still confuses and clouds the central issue - people are stealing their stock. You can't expect anybody to turn around and say 'well thats ok'."
- Alexander Blom
"@Teejay - Apologies for responding so slow. Somehow I missed the comment. Agreed - using an @ is a nice, personal way of communicating. I do it often but am sometimes scared of spamming my Twitter Channel!"
- Alexander Blom
"@Paul: I'll keep that one under wraps for now, at the very least until the new owner announces it (I doubt anybody knows that it was for sale yet). I'll also update this post with my new portal. @Kathy: Thanks for coming here. I'm certainly not as smart as people make me out to be, but sleeping on things (when you can't close fast) always sounds good to me...even if I don't process, at least I get .... sleep."
- Alexander Blom
I know I overdo Aerosmith, one of my fav songs ever, Seasons of Wither. Incredible live, check out http://bit.ly/11KkcX for a live version!
- Alexander Blom
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