I wish Twitter would sell to Google so it would die like Jaiku and Dodgeball. But I won't post this over on Twitter. I really don't have much love for the service, even though I know I'll be stuck using it for the indefinite future. Jesse Stay has it figured out. It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping.
Here I can write the equivilent of an entire blog post. And even make changes. And even have a conversation. And use it as many times an hour as I want (Twitter rate limits my apps after a while cause I'm too heavy of a user).
- Robert Scoble
I can sense already that FriendFeed is slowing down now that it is joining Facebook, while Twitter still has the best flow (and best system for following people and best mobile clients). So, we're stuck with Twitter, which is too bad, because the technology here is a ton better.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a piece of crap - BUT it's where the audience is (currently).
- Jim Connolly
Now it is starting to feel like FF again with you bigging it up again Robert ;)
- Travis Koger
Maybe google wave will change the way we use twitter, etc. again. Haven't tried it yet, but it might succeed where friendfeed "failed" - getting enough people to use it.
- Frank S.
Travis: I had to go and clean out my Twitter and Facebook accounts and spread out my usage.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed! - Friendfeed is so much better (for as long as it really lasts in Facebook world...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
from iPhone
Robert: I'm thinking of setting up a facebook account for my Marketing blog - what do you think?
- Jim Connolly
@Scobleizer I don't think Friendfeed would be quite so popular if it weren't for twitter
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Twitter is the new Myspace - HAHA - this quote made my day. For me it is just becoming a multiplicator for my friendfeed but it is important for that!
- Sascha Pallenberg
Prolific: I'm not so sure. Blogs made Twitter. So, what if there were no Twitter? We would still talk up something else. But maybe FriendFeed wouldn't have thrived anyway. Twitter hit a sweet spot with its easy to program API, it's easy to use interface, and its cute name and branding.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter works extremely well on mobile devices. I constantly see people tweeting whereas it's more difficult to do with FriendFeed's interface for a typical user.
- imabonehead
Really think that Twitter is annoying it's users too much. There's some problems out there that are really being ignored. Here's an example of a problem that could be solved very simply, but no action is being taken (if it was solved it'd create a lot of goodwill) http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter...
- Edd McArdle
Robert, now that FriendFeed's people are working for Facebook, and since Facebook has already been making changes to make it more "open socially", do you think eventually that Facebook will become the best place to have serious conversations?
- Carlton Hackett
I've been thinking so too. Although, I wonder how the non-Soc/net junkies will respond to that?
- Carlton Hackett
Robert, two thoughts. #1 - do you think Google really would let it die? Acquiring Twitter would be more like its YouTube acquisition than Jaiku (in terms of price and # of users). Secondly, what would Twitter have to change for you to change your opinion?
- Ben Parr
I really, really, really want Twitter to work out is the thing. It's just a pain in the neck to communicate without either losing the conversation or spamming useless banter over multiple Tweets because you can't fit it in 140 characters. That's just my experience. Those still spending most their time there don't mind it I guess.
- Jesse Stay
I like Twitter. The conversation flows pretty well for me, and to be fair, I get more @replies there than I get replies here to my posts.
- Chris Nixon
I think a combination of the Retweet API and a true threaded replies architecture and UI could change some of my opinion on that though if they do it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's NOT just your experience. Twitter is getting less valuable the bigger it gets. The spam / porn / bots issue is insane and ruining the experience.
- Jim Connolly
Chris: I have a twitter account with over 20,000 followers and get ten times as many replies here as I get there. Here I only have a small following. The calibre of people I connect with here is better too.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse, have Twitter improved their communication with developers since you wrote about it in April?
- Edd McArdle
Edd, over the last week I have noticed a difference, yes, but it's hard to tell if it will remain that way. They now seem to have a project manager over the API dev team (Ryan Sarver). He seems to be putting a filter on some things and keeping devs updated elsewhere. They're still learning though, much slower than FB or FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
agree on spam and bots, but it still is a nice little thing, if it remains what it was made for! marketing and reviewing thing isn't/shouldn't be there, true friendfeed is more effective as a tool for sending your message across, it is simple and strong
- testbeta
Jim, Jesse, Robert: Value varies. For me, Twitter value continues to increase. I use it to find out what's happening, meet up with people, get random insights into how people are doing, find new people. It all works well. There are many different use cases and one tool does not have to do them all.
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: "It all works well"? Really? Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
Rachel, I agree with you. I just don't think Twitter works well for conversations, that's all. I use FriendFeed and Facebook for that. I use Twitter for different purposes, and I agree it does still have value.
- Jesse Stay
sometimes i think of Automattic's intense debate, but well friendfeed is intense debate, such a experience was never had on blogs, the commenting, liking, and so fast it propagates, even disqus commenting systems can't achieve what we have here on friendfeed, but i can't just throw away twitter, twitter still is good, true for the serious types it's word limit, reply system is a bit of...
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- testbeta
I would love to have FriendFeed as the commenting system on my blog.
- Chris Nixon
Chris, there are a few plugins that do that. I haven't tried them though.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: Check out what Scoble's doing with FF on building43.com
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes. It works well for what I want it to do (I'm ignoring the ongoing issues with the DDOS). It's a free tool that adds far more value than it costs me to wait for odd outage.
- Rachel Clarke
Just checked your Twitter account and now understand exactly what you are saying.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: agree, I use Facebook, Friendfeed, blogs, comments etc, all for different things. I even use the phone as a phone occasionally to talk with people ;-) But the assumption that one tool/service can do everything - and should do everything - is something I have a problem with. If something does not work for a person, don't use it.
- Rachel Clarke
The twitter ecoverse is cool, can do Psychological Profiles, can do Social Network Analysis. All those services that spawned as a result are amazing. I am also amazed at how dense Asians Languages are on Twitter, think about it they get about 60% more per tweet.
- Robert Higgins
Ben: at this point I am not sure what Twitter could do to win back my love. I will use it just like I use AT&T and United Airlines. I have very little love for those even though I use them frequently. Twitter wins because it is simple and flat and has great clients. I wouldn't cry if it disappeared, though.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You are a hypocrite! I remember you use to sing the praises of Twitter all the time. Another toy comes along and you start bashing it. If I was Friendfeed management I would cancel your account now before you start bashing them. Robert Scoble is nothing but a follower of crowds anyway.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
You want it to die? Such an odd statement. I have met so many great people through Twitter, and the news information I can find through search or news agencies or even people who are newshounds are amazing. I know it's not perfect and the last few weeks have definately proved that, and the spam is just awful. But to want to kill it, what a strong statement.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Twitter is not abot writing blog posts or having conversations, its about small pieces of information being communicated to anyone who wants to listen. You do not have to listen, if you want a conversation use a forum or FriendFeed, use WordPress for blog posts. Stop trying to make Twitter into something it is not designed to be.
- Darren Rollett
I really used to like Twitter, still do sometimes. What I don't like is the Twitter hype. I don't seem able to turn on any media channel these days without reading/hearing or watching about it. Even the BBC reported that Twitter was under attack recently on the main BBC news. FFS come on, there must be more happening in the world than a micro blogging site with a few million users...
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- Nick Bristow
If you owned twitter would you sell to google?
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Robert, Atleast something positive could come out of it. If Twitter sells to Google they might(though its not guaranteed) make it opensource and then a federation of twitter server(ala wave servers) can co-exist happily and that way we'll own our stuff(as Anil Dash and other points out). Or they might integrate it in Wave framework. Not that people are not gonna complain about it but thats a different topic.
- Abhishek
Surely an improvement in the service would be a more positive wish?
- Chris Nixon
Say what you want but something with the architecture of friendfeed is far more conversational then twitter could ever be.
- cheapsuits
I don't know why people think Twitter is the place to converse. It's really not built for that. I find myself enjoying the flow of conversations more on Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Naomi Williams
Self pimping? Hmmm... Perhaps not for all of us. And besides, self-pimping isn't limited to twitter.
- @JonAston
PS - Maybe it's just me, but you seem bitter lately. Hope you turn that around for yourself.
- @JonAston
Jon: You are right. People pimp on FriendFeed too; as I say in my new book.... :-)
- Jim Connolly
@jim, they will do anywhere, this is human nature, they do even in real life, so why not in virtual one?
- abdellah
"(Twitter) It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping." AMEN
- Alejandro
Personally I wish Google would buy both Facebook and Twitter so they could both die.
- Brian Sullivan
@brian, hey where could I read to you then?!!
- abdellah
@Frank S. Google Wave will only be valid if you actually have other friends/collegues who use Google Wave. Otherwise you'll be using it with the *crickets*
- Naomi Williams
Oh yeah -- forgot that due to circumstances beyond our control FF is now Facebook. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
oh yeah , they share the same vision, they got the same perception...
- abdellah
It's the ff interface (developers) that make it great, but it's really you guys and gals, the people friendfeed attracted that make it valuable to me. Let's consider a real migration to a more reliable long term social media. It has to be open (data portable, unsellable) to get my trust
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I hope the FaceBook people will take comments like these to heart. I do like twitter but the functionality FriendFeed brought was the next generation in stream notification.
- Chris Jackson
Ohh time to pimp Jim's new book on Twitter ;)
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Mark: Yeah - all I need is a title. Oh, and a book....and the time to write one....then I will be pimping like a pro!
- Jim Connolly
Wow Robert, I was thinking this the past few days and could never bring it to words...well done
- Braden Douglass
Jim: I'm time bankrupt but love sharing and collaborating. Let's hire a ghostwriter to capture our best ideas in an intelligible manner :). Joking of course, there's no easy way to spread our thoughts but doing it ourselves
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I was gonna call the Funky Phantom. (That really dates me.)
- Jim Connolly
Robert, I challenge you to stop using Twitter for a month and then blog about the experience. And that includes hiding all Tweets in FF.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Lets face it, Twitter was built as an update service - a big Internet megaphone. The natural transition has been from update service to marketing service. Big Internet Megaphone. It's good at that, but it's not at conversations nor at discovery. The larger problem is people still approach Twitter like a true social engagement tool - and it's simply not. The disconnect between perception and reality results in the poor adoption numbers and other soft metrics.
- AJ Kohn
twitter is noise. filter it and you can find some gold. imho, that's beyond mere self-pimpage
- Rob Schieber
Agreed Rob. I'd prefer semantic algorithms applied to all tweets. I'm interested in real time search and datamining. And semantic extraction on all status would allow for real time "sorting"
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
i'd love to meetup with fellows and see what api scraping is going on - know where threads are for that?
- Rob Schieber
Idk, This seems so much better then twitter.
- SeanParnell
It does have a lot of noise, granted - but if it went away now, I'm not sure where everyone would run to. Facebook is too silly, Linkedin is too stolid, and everything else is too fractured for me to communicate with all the people I want to in a single shot. Guess I'd end up doing everything through ping.fm after all.
- Ciaoenrico
Wow, Isn't online chit-chat such a fuss? :)
- SeanParnell
Robert, just a week or two you were saying that Twitter is beating FriendFeed because of scanability http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... And you had lots of complaints about the FriendFeed user interface. You also talked about how Twitter was much better after you un-followed everyone and hand picked who you're following. I have to ask, what has changed in the past few days to make you say that the service should die? Feels like you're flip flopping.
- Mike Doeff
I noticed that in the past two weeks, the tweet intensity has greatly decreased from all my follows in Twitter. Granted, I'm not following too many, but the ones I do follow have traditionally tweeted a lot each day. Is this a trend (has Twitter become a has been) or is this simply a coincidental anomaly?
- Jeff Sayre
Robert I find myself on friendfeed more these days
- (jeff)isageek
@brian would you consider myspace if both facebook and twitter die?!!(ps: sorry I forget the LOL)
- abdellah
Myspace -- don't know. I haven't really tried or paid attention to it. But probably not -- isn't it Facebook like? Maybe usenet? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
brian, let forget all those techie and go irc :)
- abdellah
IMO, people who don't like the limitations of Twitter and whine about it hampering them are using it wrong. Twitter is not a place to pimp your blog or drive traffic to your site. It is not an SEO tool. It's not a place for you to compete in order to get more 'followers'. If you've ever tried to do any of these things, or if you ever followed more than a few hundred people, then yes, no...
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- Otto
Jesse Stay: you should stop complaining so much about twitter when you build an entire business based on their lack of functionality and other issues.
- Mihai Secasiu
Mihai, I'm not complaining - they can do what they want. As I said I really want them to succeed. It's a matter of fact that they do have their flaws - I'm hoping to help them fix those, assuming they're listening at all. What are you doing to help Twitter get better?
- Jesse Stay
it is like twitter if for what,where, when and friendfeed is for why, how
- testbeta
Mike: just because I use a service doesn't mean I love it. I use ATT and United all the time and they suck too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And yes Twitter has some good things about it. Doesn't mean it is all good. Personally it is overused and overhyped and YES I am partially responsible.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Apostol I get value out of Twitter. You aren't listening. I get value out of AT&T too but it COULD be so much more. Chris I tried to be positive but Twitter just doesn't respond to positivity. Plus they are cynical AT BEST about their users. Read the Twittergate documents to see just how cynical they are.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter was just there at the right time. It's not the best solution to the problem (microblogging), but it's good ~enough~.
- Trent Hamm
You seriously think Twitter will die once it gets bought by a 'bigger' company?
- Mike Shields
Mike: do you use Dodgeball? It was bought by Google. So was Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
Trent: did you just call Twitter the Microsoft of microblogging? Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say too! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I just find it amazing that all the early adopters get really snobby about Twitter now it is getting more mainstream. There is something snobby about people's attitude to Facebook as well. I'm not a fan of Facebook but I know more people who use Facebook than use Twitter or Friendfeed combined. Even my mum has a Facebook account but she'd never be on Twitter or Friendfeed. Twitter...
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- Paul Nash
I liked Pownce. I wonder what SixApart has cooking up for them. So there's really no chance for Plurk to make a comeback and take back the community? With all the outage problems Twitter has, I would think Plurk would try to capitalize on that. Guess not.
- John Wang
now if the Google Reader team could just get their new commenting system streamlined and real-time ... :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Paul: it's not hard to understand if you are in our shoes. Here's why. When a company is young and struggling to get noticed, they love having early adopters. After all, that's the ONLY WAY a company gets to the next stage. I've never seen a company go straight to Oprah stage without getting early adopters excited. Then once the company gets enough traction they usually start mistreating the early adopters. In this case Twitter stabbed them in the back. Leo Laporte, for instance ...
- Robert Scoble
...got me excited about Twitter and was THE REASON it was the big huge deal at that 2007 SXSW. He had more followers than Mashable last year. But did he get put on the Suggested User List? No. So now Mashable has more than a million and Leo has a knife in his back. And you think it's amazing that early adopters turn their backs on Twitter? Really now.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how Leo has a knife in his back. There was no preconceived notion that anyone would be added to that list. Who cares? He was fine before that list was created, and he can be just as fine now, and just as engaging.
- Andru Edwards
Andru: when he was hyping up the service and telling his users to use it, he was getting something in return: being at the top of the follower lists. When Twitter artificially put its own people at the top of the follower lists, and handed out grants of followers (worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way -- Mashable has changed its entire business to be Twitter centric) they specifically dissed Leo and many others. Most of whom won't point it out in public.
- Robert Scoble
Sadly true. I'm in much the same boat -- Twitter is a necessity for professionals and bloggers to stay on top of things, but other socialnets like Brightkite and FF are light years beyond it, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon. Don't even get me started on the spammers and the get-rich-quick'ers.
- Ryan Meader
But before the SUL was released, didn't Leo abandon Twitter in favor of Jaiku, due to Twitter having "Twit" as part of its name? Just saying, if I owned a list that I had complete control over, and someone showed that behavior towards me (whether it was right or wrong, I am not judging), I would think twice before putting them on a list that will result in many people seeing they they...
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- Andru Edwards
I can't agree with you more, Robert.
- Jon Ursenbach
Scobe: I very much disagree that it is about self pimping. Perhaps your senses are mush because you follow too many? I absolutely love getting that link to a new article or research, or to get a tweet from that celeb that makes me think and provides insight into a new world. I also use it as a research tool, for exploratory purposes. Twitter, as you know very well, is about what you make it, and that is a tenuous notion that really is influenced by who you follow.
- Chad Gesser
Andru: again, the list did NOT exist in the days when we were hyping up Twitter. So, there was a "promise" to early adopters that if they invested time in the service they could be at the top of the follower lists. Sort of how PlayFoursquare is today promising users that they can become mayors of places they frequent more than anyone else. What Twitter did was the equivilent of PlayFoursquare telling everyone that their "mayorship" doesn't matter anymore and that Oprah is now mayor of everywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Chad: one thing you have to remember about me is that I see that Twitter has 1,001 uses. Stop seeing the world as black and white. This is one post I'm making about Twitter among thousands. Translation: I already agreed with you. But you have to admit that many people use Twitter for self promotion.
- Robert Scoble
Andru: and anyway, the SUL is hardly the only reason to diss Twitter. Twitter still goes down all the time, it still has stupid rate limits. It still can't block spam effectively. It still has no friend management. It still has no features that didn't exist a year ago. And it is, in many respects, behaving worse. I'm hearing from developers that Twitter is becoming more closed, not more open (to monetize) and we're seeing them pick winners before the marketplace is done (bit.ly anyone?)
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Twitter is that it keeps your message short and to the point. Friendfeed is great but it doesn't lend itself well to an external app out of the browser. Also FriendFeed and any of these services you don't own your content
- Seth Goldstein
Seth: bing! So, back to the blog we will go. Except, why are we still here? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I like friendfeed because of its realtimeyness, but I like twitter because it requires you to be concise. I have seen some brilliant tweets done in 140 characters or less. I think that's always been the allure of twitter, its sheer simplicity. How many features can you add to twitter without actually changing the core of what twitter is?
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: But what do you want from these companies ? Chaps like you give them the oxygen of publicity they need and they court you and then when they become successful you suddenly start to criticise them. Friendfeed has become successful (in great part to your endless plugging of it) and the founders will now go on to make money through their company being taken over by Facebook. You,...
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- Paul Nash
Scoble: no doubt....I can deal with the self promotion, the e marketing and spam garbage though to me is what has gooootttt to go
- Chad Gesser
Paul: my role in life is to use what will be, not what is. I don't turn on many companies, but Twitter isn't one that dealt with early adopters on good faith.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a "social media" company that has dealt with early adopters in "good faith"? Facebook, FriendFeed, Flickr I suspect don't qualify ? Any that do?
- Brian Sullivan
all platforms seem to have self pimpering styles, why so passionate against twitter? Objectional question, not one of rhetoric.
- nick tadd
Brian: I didn't know that any of those have actively dissed their best early adopters. Facebook kicked me off, but only because I broke the TOS. It's always been straight up with me. Same with Flickr, although I do watch Thomas Hawk's talk about their censorship.
- Robert Scoble
none as brian says, they all deal with them, and "the earlier adopter" contribute to their evolution until they sell (sorry)
- abdellah
nick: because it's so prevalent there. "Look at my blog post about xxx" is almost a staple on Twitter. It's a new RSS reader. Which is fine, I use it too for that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think you may have the makings for one of your future blogs here. Perhaps you do it for that reason? ;) The thing about Twitter is always going to be its LBE. It's a mainstream LBE to Social Media. For that very reason its perfect for business, government, and non profit to take public temperature and promote. The other "noise" is the "MV", the "mainstream voice". The conversation is 4 way.(and yes sometimes only 1 way) but there it is and its not going to go away any time soon.
- Melanie Reed
Yes, indeed, Twitter is the Microsoft of microblogging. It's good enough, but not the best - but it has the huge advantage that everyone is using it, so you have to use it for compatibility reasons.
- Trent Hamm
DAMN Robert I HATE that you are right on this one!!!!!
- Arleen Anderson
Hopefully you use it for positive self pimping and not for negative pimping... which is inevitable
- Kevin Burrell
If FF would have taken mobile seriously, the game might look different right now
- Alex C. Williams
Alex, they are taking mobile seriously - they sold to Facebook. :-)
- Jesse Stay
I can't see how Twitter can survive Facebook now. FB will bring Twitter down, the only chance they got is to sell to Google.
- Patrik Johansson
What makes people think Facebook or Twitter is all-conquering? There's a new generation coming through, and they aren't using these services. It's very important not to get sucked in by the hype of a service you use. Fanboys will talk up the positives and ignore the negatives, giving you a skewed message. The truth is somewhere in the massive grey area in between.
- Chris Nixon
The new generation uses Facebook a lot, but not Twitter.
- Steph (sh_skew)
from email
Let me say that it is not twitter per se. It is the population of twitter to make it the place it is at the moment. Whenever there is a (free entrance) place crowded of people, there will be spambots to pollute it.
- funkyboy
from Posty
Twitter is just a temporary solution for a quick mixture of instant messaging + status updates + chat forum.
- Bora Wiemann
Just having a discussion today that Twitter will eventually go bankrupt when the hype is over
- Khuram Hussain
I don't agree with you Robert. Twitter is easy to use, succinct and versatile. I've made multiple very meaningful connections through my use of twitter. I do like friendfeed's threaded conversations which are great but in a way it only helps those who have big followings like yourself, because people are more apt to comment on your thread than say mine because they know the conversation...
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- Lon Cohen
For example - how do I message you directly so you know I'm speaking to you (i.e. Twitter @ reply) but all your followers and my followers know that we're having a conversation in Twitter back and forth so that they can follow and interject when they want. Everytime we do that we have to start a brand new discussion thread and I have to "tell" you somehow that I'm talking to you. Twitter is like email/phone conversations and friendfeed is like collective blogging/commenting.
- Lon Cohen
Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different?
- Tracy Ferry
Oh, you will see this is way better for conversations.
- Sam Guzman
trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore
- antony march
It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.?
- Charlotte Frum
Charlotte: Yes, anyone can read it. It's different than chat in that it doesn't dissappear. Conversations are accessible months later and with their own url. Make sense?
- Sam Guzman
me too, i just join this friendfeed right now!
- charlene chua
Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on.
- Charlotte Frum
demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :)
- Keilah Sanchez
Uh!!!! Oh nevermind, I just can't...lol
- Bill Heslin
Holden, considering it just posted to her twitter account, it seems like it is.
- Sam Guzman
Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater.
- Kimba Rudd
I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT?
- Rosa
This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both
- Jessica Williams
Hey Rob, I know what you mean. I wish more people would use FF. Too bad it just got bought by Facebook!
- Sam Guzman
yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles
- Jessica Williams
Demi, Welcome to FF and all the new FF'rs in this thread, Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for some great starter tips. Oh and listen to Holden...He is the God of FF :)
- Bill Heslin
What makes me laugh is that everyone is loving friendfeed all of a sudden, when it's been around for like two years, as awesome as ever. No one knew about it though! I really think it could have been a Twitter killer if the right people joined.
- Sam Guzman
i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who
- Tina Haight
Sam, I think all the tweets that generated from here about the Facebook buyout is bringing more people in now. Unfortunately as we know, it's a little too late..but we are going to hang in there... :)
- Bill Heslin
NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter?
- Jessica Williams
Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing
- Jessica Williams
now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things.
- Nita Wertz Ernst
Ok folks, the difference between friend feed and a chat room is that a chatroom doesn't aggregate all your social media activity. friendfeed pulls in your activity from a bunch of social media sites, like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. but also provides the functionality of twitter and a chat room. So basically it's your social media life on steroids. Very powerful.
- Sam Guzman
Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com.
- SecretRegrets
Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol
- Jessica Williams
I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help
- Lynn
piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Lynn. You will not find too much Spam on FF
- Bill Heslin
That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I really wish we could get a bunch of celebs on here and keep friendfeed from disappearing!
- Sam Guzman
i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah
- Tina Haight
done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun
- Lynn
are there any size limits to the characters typed?
- Lynn
Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow!
- Martha
Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way.
- Samantha Scheideler
lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand
- Lynn
lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Either Demi is reading the FF beginners group, or she just hasn't figured out how to read FF yet, and doesn't see all this wonderful Real time conversation that can't happen on Twitter..But anyway, back to my regular feed have fun everyone. Any questions...Just ask Holden LOL
- Bill Heslin
Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort.
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Agreed Jessica...Chad Boo!!!! :) It takes time to get it...give her a chance..
- Bill Heslin
Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk
- Jessica Williams
Robert, do you think we can save FF???
- Sam Guzman
Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls
- Liza
Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action.
- Gtp19
liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari
- Liza
Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty.
- Liza
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here
- Rob Sellen :o)
go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though
- Lynn
Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page...
- Rob Sellen :o)
The key to FriendFeed is following me. :)
- Andrew
She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in
- Lynn
Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier.
- Robert Kenney
It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here..
- Rob Sellen :o)
thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha
- Lynn
Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi!
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter.
- Manuel Mas
It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF!
- Matt G
Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here.
- professor daddyo
Everyone's new at some point. The more the better.
- Robert Kenney
lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-)
- Karma Martell
Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here?
- .LAG liked that
this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already?
- Rex Gradeless
LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm>
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen
- Lynn
Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on.
- April Russo (app103)
yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!!
- Gtp19
Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr?
- Ciaoenrico
while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Kim: Look through the thread. There's lots of advice.
- Christopher A Carr
Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina...You are one of the best Ambassadors for FF..Well said
- Bill Heslin
Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool.
- Sherrie Belken
PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode*
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage.
- Dana Fosburgh
My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =)
- SashaKane
If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously.
- Danny Groveman
I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions
- Allison Warnock
what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users.
- Carlos Ayala
Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure.
- Sherrie Belken
Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!..
- Timsah memet
just play around D and you'll figure it out
- Thomas Power
ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed
- Laurel howard
I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : (
- Rose
Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies
- Robert Higgins
So many replies that aren't very welcoming don't help matters either.
- pea
In reality all we've gained by Demi Moore's brief appearance is a number of celebrity stalkers hoping to cut her off at one more cyber pass and get the one reply they're living their lives for. The best demonstration yet of Scobles 'who you follow, defines you'?
- 1x29
demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did!
- JNez
Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O
- Rob Schieber
FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome...
- Bette Cooper
I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions.
- Robert Scoble
Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment.
- Amy℠
You can sort of think of it as Twitter + a searchable, multimedia chatroom, that aggregates your web activity. You can have FF pull in your Youtube favorites, Amazon wish list, etc...
- Christopher A Carr
oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all
- Lin Hill
Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this.
- Justin Korn
ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door
- Lin Hill
just follow people and comment now and then, thats all
- Lin Hill
Lin: I ask, because you are essentially tweeting with multiple people right now, without having to use @...
- Christopher A Carr
FF has *really* good search. Look for content that interests you. Comment and like, and people will subscribe to you...
- Christopher A Carr
Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore!
- Lin Hill
Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something.
- Outsanity
Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Imagine if Twitter included video and pictures in Tweets, and provided you with a threaded conversation to discuss your tweets... well, that's what you have here -- and that's just the beginning.
- Christopher A Carr
i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out?
- Lin Hill
Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late.
- Amani
Click on your name in the upper right hand corner, Lin.
- Christopher A Carr
it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that
- Lin Hill
That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And can you imagine people helping you like this on Twitter? ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead
- Lin Hill
FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board!
- Nia
from fftogo
This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble
- Outsanity
You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
But what might Facebook *do* with FriendFeed?
- Rob Fisher
what do you think about facebook acquiring friendfeed..#lightupnigeria
- Kenniy Olorunnimbe
Rob: if I was Mark Zuckerberg, I'd assign someone to keep it up and running and make sure no spam shows up, etc. But the rest of the engineering team would get put on real time search for businesses. That's where the real money is and how Google is going to come at Facebook. If they get that done the millions in stock that they now own will become worth more.
- Robert Scoble
Kenniy: overall it's the best possible thing that could happen to FriendFeed. I didn't see FriendFeed surviving on its own, not without radical redesign, which would piss us all off anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think your making FriendFeed much more than it is. It's NOT the king of real-time search. It's NOT competing with Google on any level. It's still a sharing service used only by early adopters.
- Amit Morson
but that will undermine the very reason for friendfeed..other sites like twitter and flicker wouldnt be so open IMO anymore..cos at that point, friendfeed becomes a direct competition as against the service aggregation that it does..i might be wrong though..#lightupnigeria
- Kenniy Olorunnimbe
BBC can issue a retraction, no worries ;)
- Micah Wittman
"Respected Blogger." That's a nice title... I dig.
- Stefan Holmes
well what do we all expect we enjoyed a free service,felt special, gave feedback,told everyone how superior it is. now the entrepreneurs are moving to the last phase which is monetize. its text book abc.
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
FriendFeed only has real time search because content is pushed into it by the users. It is nothing more than a content aggregator with a quickly replicated search index. Facebook, I would imagine, wants it because that is the way they are moving with their "post it on Facebook" systems, aggrigating information from other sites into a brain dump of "what I find interesting now"....
more...
- Daniel Durrans
Surprisingly the Facebook/FriendFeed story is currently the top story, even ahead of the Baby P story on the BBC most read list online - not very high at all on the broadcast news.
- Richard Peat
This has always been an acquisition business, right? Surprised people are shocked. We'll see if Facebook can make these features less geeky and more mainstream...
- Alex C. Williams
o no.... Robert ha parlato di friendfeed in tv... come previsto adesso arriveranno in massa.
- Miketrevis
We all know Keith Richards isn’t really alive. He’s drinking some kind of weird elixir that keeps him walking around kind of like Bernie in Weekend at Bernies. But whatever this dude is on, it’s working. He definitely gets laid more than me and he definitely can’t feel a thing while he’s in the act. While he might be a hero to some, he looks extremely reptilian and quite scary to me.
- Cee Bee
as much as he's done to himself, he's still a badass. probably because of. keith richards, man!
- Cee Bee
I'm sure the scariest shots involved him with a friggin' needle buried in his arm.
- Brent - Loving Life
Yeah Alan, he did. Which makes sense since Johnny Depp said on numerous occasions that Richards was his inspiration for Sparrow
- Bwana ☠
Any time I see Keith Richards I'm reminded of 1) Mike Meyers on SNL's Weekend Update saying KR speaks Esperanto or "that secret language twins speak" and 2) Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations where he says he gets up every morning and Googles KR, because if he's still alive then the lifestyle is still viable.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
when I am commenting, I can still see "real time" like or comment by other people, I think it rocks!
- K.D.
I miss the time updates on the rooms, and I don't like the color scheme... Also don't really like the real time view and keep it paused. I do like DMs however... that's the best new feature.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
doesn't suck at all..guys at friendfeed have done a real good job..keep it up guys
- Arvind
The old colour scheme was better in that it was clearer and gave the impression of a weight and richness. Now FF looks like a cheap blog. Sorry guys
- Dan Stuart
The color scheme is a little gaudy and the "look" inelegant. Like going from a Mac desktop to Windows. It's still perfectly functional. Just not as comfortable being here.
- Jeff Guin
I use FF more then Twitter and Facebook combined and this is only my first week on FF
- Frank Sant'Agata
grey for a background… so pathetic. Imaginary friends added in a really cool way to a mental model of friendfeed, now gone.
- Alexey Ivanov
Just imagine if this was on Facebook. All the hundreds of millions of clumsy Facebook users would start hundreds of thousands of hate groups. Since FriendFeed is mostly geeks & early adopters, they are more open to change. Once this thing hits the mainstream, this sort of innovation on the UI will be impossible to implement.
- Ben Ackles
That's it? No one else thinks friendfeed sucks? Come on now. Facebook changes and everyone is up in arms.
- Robert Scoble
Wait a couple of hours and this comment thread will be quite long and unreadable... Thats something i dont like about friendfeed...
- Jeethu Karthik
socialcoop: maybe Arrington is right and no one is using friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Since it 'pulls-in' so much content...well, that's kind of like sucking--but I guess the old one did that too. The new FF is better--I used th RT mode in the old one too.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Maybe that's because facebook's changes actually sucked
- Keith Barrett
But facebook is used by people that don't understand why the internet changes. They are used to desktop software, not web applications. Facebook is the first true webapp most of those users have used.
- Daniel Zarick
@Robert the replies are coming in and getting buried just as fast - there are some who aren't liking it
- Steven Hodson
We can see the stream and the person who did it, but it's hard to see where it comes from(twitter, blog,..). In the old version, there was an icon to see it but it has disppeared. (sorry for my poor english, I'm french...)
- tristan
Hard to tell - because I just hate change. I'm not a fan of being able to see LESS about who is posting and what they're posting with.
- Ciaoenrico
Remember, it's 2am on the East Coast now, Robert. Even _I'm_ about to hit the hay. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
I'm still annoyed that FF offers no option for the real-time displays to show newest post at top
- Keith Barrett
I've been using the beta all along, and even with all of the lists I've set up, I find I'm looking at the main feed/lists less than I used to. That's my only real negative. Saved filters are wonderful, and embedding is sometimes useful.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Baard Overgaard Hansen: We still have rooms, they're called Groups now. And for me, the comments and likes links at the top of my profile page distinguishes them quite well.
- Sharon McPherson
Only complaint is that I wish it was easier to see where any given piece of information came from.
- Angus Burton
people having conversations is so over. what does burger king have to say about this?
- Alex C. Williams
No, it's sweet. It's my favorite thing right now, its the coolest thing on the internets. It runs so smoothly too.
- Stephen Pickering
There's gonna be some pushback on this one. I've gotten used to it because I switched to the beta over a month ago. I've almost forgotten what the other layout looked like. To those complaining about not being able to see the source service the posts come from. I think that's the point; don't leave here, it doesn't matter where it came from, discuss it here. :)
- Adam Turetzky
Was just learning the old but between being able to use rooms/groups and auto-updating of comments in a thread, I like it.
- Jim Espinoza
Hate the new FF. Hate the lack of icons for other services. And though I haven't dug around yet (hint! I shouldn't have to!), I can't seem to find a way to parse out different services (ie, just look at Last.fm imports from my friends, or pull out the "internal" RSS feed for content I've personally entered into FF). And right now I'm annoyed by new comments popping onto this page while I'm typing.
- Kevin Hessel
Kevin, thereis a Pause button at top right of the column to deal with your annoyance.
- Jim Espinoza
Just want "Best of" for my friends list then all will be fine again. It was in the beta, right?
- Dominic Jones
i will probably appreciate new functionalities when using them, but i definitely miss the old look'n'feel, looks very much like twitter now, has lost "personality"
- Adriana Ripandelli
Ah, I learn something new too. Thanks, Kevin
- Jim Espinoza
Looks ugly but an improvement over old version. Workflow on new version is a step back than before. Seems untested and unfinished. I'm seriously looking for something better now.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
Just 4 things I'd like to see implemented. First, as mentioned above, a pause button - comment link placed under the last entry so we don't have to scroll all the way back to the top on long posts to enter comments - the ability to send Retweets, and make posts sticky.
- Sharon McPherson
Another thing, new FF appears to have been designed for those like you with lots of followers. Most of us hardly ever get comments, likes etc. So it's great for the A-list, but shitty for the rest of us. That might change if more people join.
- Dominic Jones
I can't say anything about the new features because I'm too annoyed to look at them. The layout and theme sure sucks though. I thought I clicked onto my twitter page by mistake. Now I need to find TweetDeck for FriendFeed and avoid the web page like the plague to make it tolerable, just like twitter. Why don't they narrow this column down a few more inches - there's really like so much more space they could be wasting. Why only waste 40% of the page?
- Christopher Brocious
not at all intuitive... user interface get a grand 2/10.... if that is fixed, could be fantastic... the concept of real time (even though its simulated, as its still doing "pulls" from the browser rather than "pushes" to the browser) is great, the data itself is rich, but it should focus on either being an aggregator, or syndicator... trying to be both is misadventerous.
- simran
Sharon--click on the time stamp to pop the thing into a new window. Puts the comment box on the bottom, and allows new comments to scroll in without disrupting your writing.
- Kathy Fitch
FriendFeed is no longer focused on connecting individual services, it's blending them and that's wrong. Aesthetically it's spiraling and that matters too.
- Andrew Smith
I have yet to fully realize the new features which I'm sure are tremendous. From a UI perspective--design wise? It is very, what I can only describe as, 'early BlogSpot'. It's pretty hard on the eyes and that's the absolute most diplomatic way I can say it. I'll be sticking with the previous incarnation(http://friendfeed.com/realtime) and the real-time pop-out window(http://friendfeed.com/realtim...).
- Gregg Scott
Almost forgot, please FF, give administrators the ability to delete groups.
- Sharon McPherson
I dont like this friendfeed! I want my old and sweety FF! Return my FF, plz...!
- Exir
Agree with Sharon - how do you delete groups?
- Liviu Lica
what sucks about friendfeed is that all people talk about on it is friendfeed or other meta issues. also too many buttons to press to distract. No ecosystem of desktop apps. I am sure its a useful utility for pros like scoble, but for everyone else, twitter is ideal, your mum can understand it.
- Michael Neale
Too much like facebook and twitter. I come here for news and great discussion not status updates of people I don't know, unfortunately, all my friends are on facebook.
- Andrew Royer
Michael: all the "normal" people in my life are on facebook which is more complex than either Twitter or friendfeed. By the way, Facebook adds more people every month than are even on Twitter. So your thesis is TOTALLY WRONG. Users CAN put up with a LOT of complexity. Try again.
- Robert Scoble
fine tuning and control on real time flow is missing.
- Ouriel Ohayon
I miss the additional features of the old UI for posting. You had separate fields to add links, photos, comments as well as the text of the post. How do you add text and a link now?
- Mark Krynsky
FB is daunting, I think. I just hate having to wrestle the danged thing to the ground every time I try to use it. This seems to me to be simple, flexible, fluid, nimble.
- Kathy Fitch
I just did: http://ff.im/2sTvr and there is more, I goes too fast now, It looks like a blog, and friendfeed is not a blog... and I don't like it at all...
- Aline
Too little content on to much space, I only have a 13inch screen. FAIL
- Gerard van Schip
I think it is far away from suck, yes it needs a bit more tweak. But I think its great and more useful than Twitter.
- MoRiza
I would like to see the words subscriptions/subscribers dropped from the profile pages and use friends/followers instead..
- Arvind
Why is everybody taking about Twitter? The question is do you think the new FF sucks? And that anser is YES!
- Aline
because of a twitter-like interface, even if in realtime
- Nicola Junior Vitto
But you can not compare Twitter and FF, that are two realy diffrent things...
- Aline
avatar pictures instead of service pictures. this is getting too social for my reading habbits :) and also, text used to span all over the page now it's trapped in the middle. why. my sides of the screen are upset :)
- Dani Radu
There's very little "twitter-like" other than the use of avatars to bring the focus to people rather than services. And here I thought FF was all about the people to begin with...
- Kevin Kuphal
Hmm. Maybe I'm unperturbed because I've been using the beta from the get-go.
- Kathy Fitch
Thats it! The absence of service icons to ID my stream, thats the only sucky part.
- MoRiza
You'll get used to "from Twitter" under the post in very short order, people.
- Kevin Kuphal
1) It's now harder and longer to read. First, all posts look the same because of service icons absence — it was needed for visual filtering of the posts. Then, post header are now come in two parts — text and link (it means more text, more clutter, harder to click — every link begins in it's own place). Third, only one comment in a collapsed discussions — you can't see answer-question pair, just an answer.
- Juras Vetrau
I did not use the Beta, because it would like to see Icons, and I like to see alle services anyone uses, now I have to click my way troug FF, and when I want to read something, it goes very fast...
- Aline
2) It's hard to use FriendFeed as an RSS reader now. Imaginary friends are totally broken. You can still create a private group, but it's inconvinient, it's separates old and new IFs in two lists (subscriptions and groups). I've used FrF as an RSS reader in the first place.
- Juras Vetrau
3) It's impossible to use FrF as a browser of your aggregated content — no more filters by service in user's profile. It was very useful for sites with no proper bookmarks system (Vimeo, SlidShare, YouTube etc).
- Juras Vetrau
@Kevin, FF is all about people. But people are not avatars (yet). We are what we share online, and untill real avatar interaction - we share via services. That's why imho it makes more sense to use service icons then static avatar pics.
- Dani Radu
Naw...tis just different and back to the firehose. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Only thing I don't love is the "more" dealie. Harumph. I'm wordy, I confess it. No need to rub my face in it, FF. Makes me feel scolded every time. <wry grin>
- Kathy Fitch
Someone on seesmic who thinks new seesmic sucks http://new.seesmic.com/threads... , I think he's right about imaginary friends but we can still create groups or rooms.
- tristan
I don't hate it, I don't like it either, it looks much alike the HTML kiddies designs of 10 years ago.
- Amit Morson
I like the concept, but not the look. At least the horrid gray should go.
- Johan Aulin
Sing for Absolution: Please let people use the old version of friendfeed via a sub domain address like old.friendfeed.com. We do prefer to use the old version instead of the new. This new version does not match the low speed connections and users with so much subscriptions. Thank you friends. http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Exir
Thanks for the clarification and more details Micah...Many of the older scripts may not work on the new site and that's why I filtered to 'beta'.
- Mark Krynsky
Why oh why did they feel the need to become *more* like twitter?!?!?
- Scott Gould
Good point, Mark. Another tip is to sort by clicking the "Last Updated" link to look at everything that's been updated since beta-to-live (April 29 or later).
- Micah Wittman
New features have negative suck. Layout has small amount of suck - seems less information dense than old layout, with right side space lost to navigation stuff.
- David Lounsbury
takes some getting used to. i've gotten more subscribers since this change than in all the time i've been on FF.
- Alensa
I could like it more if only they could move all the Twitter members over here. :)
- Ed Grant
It's aight.. I can't see how to collapse FF down to see JUST delicious links or JUST Digg links from a specific user or group by clicking on the feed icon. Maybe I still can but I don't see how.
- Jesse Newhart
Yeah there is definitelly less on the screen. More difficult to scan. Is the font size larger. Did they get a coder to design it rather than an interface designer.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
i think it's great but may need a bit of work on the actual design. also scoble==totally trolling for a big discussion!
- Snipergirl
I simply want my old FF back... I have the feeling that I use my mobile phone with so much simplicity...
- philos
Bring back imaginary friends!!! the greatest FrF appeal for me was ability to consolidate of all online relationships. Some of these contacts eventually convert and become FrF users, some will never covert and following them via imaginary friend is essential for me.
- Maхx Tee
Everything I liked at FF, is now gone... :(
- Aline
Strange. The impression is we had lots of features and now almost of things are gone. Strange. It definitely needs UX improvements.
- Tiago Vieira
The effect each medium has on the human sensorium vary with the medium. This medium will change our way to use it. The New FF completely change the way we use it. This is another tool: more LIVE, more confused, more dispersive. I love the old FF for the ability to create conversation in a simple way. Now the coversation is absolutly disordered because I can't control how to enjoy the conversations. Good attempt ... to create something different.
- Giovanni Calia
the old FF interface was much better, why is gone the support for icons for feeds? This was a better way to recognize on what channel was generated!! Is not possible to have both Interfaces????
- Dan Romescu
It's great.. but seriously miss the icons that indicate the source of the message... e.g. how to easily filter out all blogposts
- Aad 't Hart
I woudl show them your post about ugly design. Visually I liked the previous interface, not beautiful but personal. This one with rounded corners and wide borders looks like a default theme. I read beta on a nokia and it is not bad, but I would stay very very simple. Content is king.
- Michele Costabile
Friendfeed's new look gives me a perfect antidote to Twitter and I appreciate that, thanksverymuch.
- Bernie Goldbach
who cares, friendfeed could be the future. I've known ever since Scoble's Twitter told me so.
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
totally sucks. the old version was way better than this.
- Gökberk Can
agree re the need to bring back imaginary friends.
- Matt Hooper
The new FF is ok, kinda ugly, but ok. I still need to get used to it.
- Shawn Hickman
It doesn't suck at all! I like it! Only want a customizable background please
- Annette Schwindt
too much wasted white space. The old version was much more compact (and BTW it let us immediately see where the original news was posted). Is it really so difficult to redesign friendfeed so that we can choose the stylesheet we prefer to display our feed?
- .mau.
+1 for .mau. even gmail (the most powerful terse interface I know of) has themes. Gmail is my web 2.0 style guide.
- Michele Costabile
there's a lot of comments, and we still didn't reach the goldwin point. Maybe, there's not a of people on FF, but people on FF seem to be smarter than the others ;)
- tristan
+1 Service icon not being present irritates me at so many levels
- Swaroop
briefly: cool features, wrong interface. as someone already said: it looks like a cheap blog; it doesn't have any kind of personality, sorry.
- ced
just used it for the first time and I have to agree with ced, right format weak design,
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
My guess is the look remains simplified in because FF will allow it to be customized like Twitter backgrounds, but something that would be ideally more functional than just form. As far as user friendliness it is fairly easy to manage, but I have had the luxury of not having thousands of subscriptions, once I jumped on board and the beta began shortly after I avoided aggregating too many subs, I might be annoyed if I had used it for a year and was driving merrily on the road.
- Patrick Boegel
the new version doesn't suck :-D but not having the old version around still kinda does :-/ re:themes if we have to have them, can they be 'me only' themes or can i tick a box saying 'hide all user themes' ;-)
- immaterial
It's a vast improvement from the previous site, but it needs some work still. Threaded comments and date/time stamp on comments please!
- Bob Blunk
please keep it light and simple! no threaded comments!
- Maхx Tee
I liked the fact that you could see images before. Also the gray background, could be nicer.
- Avi A
i don't like the gray background, I think kills readability. Other than that, it's huge. And hope it's going to be much more so.
- dario
and, with a giant IMHO, service icons are *not* the point. Once you hit publish, wherever you do, it's "out there", out there (or as good a representation of it you want it to be) being FF, I like this side of it the most.
- dario
hated the beta at first, but for some reason I kept using it and now I really like it. not perfect, but better.
- Robert DeBord
The new FriendFeed rocks for the pure fact that I am commenting on this post through email!
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Ugh... Why do these sites have to try and be like Facebook? FriendFeed was a great tool for me to aggregate all of NAPP's feeds and share them on Twitter at a glance. Now I can't tell what's coming from what feed. ((sigh))
- Photoshop User
Dario, thank you! Fftogo is so much better than this Twitter wannabe, space wasting, regressive disaster of a UX.
- Christopher Brocious
next point of order: Being ahead of your user base: good or bad?
- dario
Overall, it's good. Biggest complaint: Bring back imaginary friends! Private Groups are for something else entirely. Also, what do I do about my existing imaginary friends? How do I delete them if they happen to join FriendFeed? Would that be different if I made a private group with their name? All kinds of questions there!
- Don Faulkner
Bring back imaginary friends - otherwise FF is useless for me. A load of my friends just won't spend the time setting up their FF accounts (no need for some of them they perhaps only have a small online footprint) so its back to monitoring shed loads of other sites ie. myspace, delicious, flickr, twitter, etc. etc. Otherwise its great - significantly better than before!
- Angus Neil
I can't post through the bookmarklet to my groups. I was very dependent on this feature, and It doesn't work anymore.. Fix IT!
- Joe Spake
i think user experience isn't much more better..
- toLga aRıcan
Thank you for calling the Official FriendFeed Helpline, brought to you by Robert Scoble. Leave your message after the beep. BEEP
- Mike Nayyar
Joe Spake: You can still use the bookmarklet to post to groups, just takes a few more steps. Click the X to remove your feed, enter the first letter or 2 of the name of the group(s) you want to post to, then choose the group from those you'll see listed.
- Sharon McPherson
I dig the new UI....then again, I really didn't like the old UI. However, like some have mentioned, I do miss the ability to easy filter on the service (i.e. native FF, Last.fm/Pandora, Flickr, etc). I also miss the ability to see User+Friends out of a user's profile. Being pretty new to the service, it was cool to see the stream of other people I found interesting.
- mark
Actually, now that I've used it a little, one thing I HATE is that I can see the number of subscribers and subscriptions anybody has. This is what's wrong with Twitter, as it makes it less about socializing and more about winning at a Ponzi scheme. I'd hate to see that kind of pessimism come over to FriendFeed.
- Ciaoenrico
Doesn't suck, just agree with Daniel: "Better design/colors/layout" please
- Christopher Galtenberg
Ask this again in a few weeks. I started as an immediate hater thinking I would stop using if it continued but it quickly grew on me. I suspect there will be fewer haters then (of course this wait period may provide a self fulfilling wish -- those that really don't like it may leave by then).
- Brian Sullivan
No, it doesn't. Those new to it should use it for a few days and then see how they feel.
- AJ Kohn
I'm still undecided. I still think real time makes it harder for me to find new and interesting contacts and get noticed by other people.
- Kevin Pedraja
Sucks - not usable at work any more because it's so obvious. Plus I'm losing conversations. Give us an option to keep the old interface!
- Victor Ryden
It's funny, I didn't even realize that I had even gone over to the regular FF. I didn't start really using FF until the beta, despite having an account for quite some time, so I've been used to the beta.
- Aaron Kurtz
from IM
Not for me. I used Real-Time all the time in the old version. The only things are A. the mini window is lacking B. The pause button doesn't work like the original pause button so I still feel like I miss stuff when I leave my computer C. The amounts of clicks it takes to do something is a little too much Ex: Refreshing a feed Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with it
- Shevonne
Just need a good desktop app to be able to run vertical stream. Or I need 5 screens. I tried AlertThingy yesterday but it's only one pipe. Ultimately, I think a good micro-blog app needs to deliver a mix chosen streams and of organic news which you may not run into via traditional streams
- Yann Ropars
Good but lake of filters to remove a source from a view and lake of icons that show from where the entry is (RSS, twitter, ...)
- Severin
Don't care for the layout (have to scroll too much to use saved searches), update rate and opening links awkward, seems like features missing, colors not so much. Is beta.FF my default FF anyway? Yes.
- Loren Heiny
It sucks. This is a cramped primary-color room. Cramped, dumbed-down, isolating. Hate it - where is the wide-open white that is the FF I know and like? More to the point, what has been achieved by changing it?
- david
Meh. I like the readability in general - but for comments it's hard to scroll without going too far (on posts like this with a billion comments. I also miss the buttons for Twitter/blog/etc.
- Tabz
I just like to say things suck in general
- Athensganews
Apart from the excellent points raised by everyone here, I'd like to add that FriendFeed now makes Firefox3 consume much more CPU and and makes my laptop's fan run faster too, thereby reducing battery charge too fast. Please bring back the old energy-efficient FF!. It's all a blur now!
- Siddharth Deb
Like the new features but the look is blah.
- Jessica Lee
I was still struggling to learn how to use the previous incarnation, so this change has thrown me a little. But as I was unsure of what I was doing anyway, it's not changed my perception much. Yet.
- 5corpion
I hate the color and overall look/feel of the UI. If I was tech savvy enough, I would try to install the cleaner ff greasemonkey script for chrome... but I'm not. May try anything. But I find the new colors and spacing annoying.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
I don't think the new FF sucks, but I wish they hadn't diluted the imaginary friend feature because I just wrote a post extolling its virtues.
- Karoli
Since every post, like this one for that matter, becomes quicky a chat room, I say I hate reading comments in gray! I also would like to be able to close the comments I opened. Be simples, give me helvetica and black, say hello to round corners and margins. Do not waste one quarter of the screen for a short sidebar, maybe put commands at top and content on two columns.
- Michele Costabile
it's hard to differentiate between the different services now. It all looks the same.
- richrecruiter
I installed the greasemonkey script recommended by Micah which enables me to see both the avatars and service icons - http://userscripts.org/scripts... Double the pleasure, double the fun.
- Sharon McPherson
I think its Sexy. I am thinking it's cooler, as far as appearance and users, than Twitter.
- ZuDfunck
Sharon, Micah - thanks so much for the greasemonkey script link. Friendfeed without the services icons was really starting to bug me. I hope Friendfeed brings service icons back to the stream as well as imaginary friends. Taking away features = bad. I don't mind the beta but Friendfeed should integrate previously available features into it IMHO.
- Jesse Newhart
I like the new look, would like to customize the way it updates, move newest commented topics up.
- James Rowe
right James, new comments shud stack upwards...not at bottom. wat say Scoble?
- Roshan Ramachandran
New comments at the bottom is ever so much nicer for archives, though. Makes it easier to scan the conversation after the fact, to catch up on a long one late in the game, and to catch the flow at a glance.
- Kathy Fitch
It seems a bad and old Wordpress theme.
- Gianluca Neri
Kathy: FF being realtime service, updates are easier to read as they "drop in"...specially when you are watching a discussion in separate window, where comments are not collapsed like here. To read an archive, doesnt matter u read upwards or downwards...sequence will always be there...IMO.
- Roshan Ramachandran
No, the new Friendfeed works for me. But then, I watched the launch videos and participated in one of the those Scoble Salons that pop up here. Without those learning aids, I probably would be disoriented here, at least for a while. And that's one of the problems with Friendfeed attracting new users: it's powerful, but it's not really that simple.
- Tom Landini
but ya...then the comment box also need to move to top :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I have never used FF as much, as I have since the new beta - Props to the FF team!!
- Jim Connolly
Love the new FF except for when you hover over a DP it only shows max 5 services and has a "more >>" link. Wish FF showed all of the services on hover still.
- Garin Kilpatrick
The new FF has become.. Twitter. I used it as a different service: to gather all my feeds. Now next to my avatar only 4 icons are shown! More, next to each entry it doesn't appear anymore the logo of each service (fb, twit,...). FF is now like an RSS reader, but definitely less funnier, so boring, so similar to twitter (which I like anyway). Another great social network is dead :(
- marilena
@marilena has pinpointed my biggest complaint. "next to my avatar only 4 icons are shown" I like the real time feed for most things.However I have a private / business related feed which has now lost almost all utility. Custom RSS feeds run off the screen when you hit add/edit and there is no way. I have found to utilize this data in it's present format. It is now more useful in a feed reader.
- Eric Logan
I do love the real-time web stuff though.
- Mark Chandler
Yeah, it's not much of an improvement. I liked the "people you find interesting" and "people who find you interesting". It was interesting to see who thought I was interesting... interesting. It was nice to see who was subscribed to my feed.
- t i n y m
I like it lots. Twitter is down half the time.
- tojfs7931
It's good. The only things missing are the source icons... It's always good to know where the content came from
- Mirco
1. I would like a widescreen option, now it is just wasting space for long texts, 2 how can I see e.g. all my posts from one of my feeds, only, e.g. only the linkedin feed? This function was great, now I can not find it back.
- joergkurtwegner
@joergkurtwegner: go to your feed and type in the search field "service:linkedin"
- Alejandro
I like the way FF keeps changing and keeping everyone on their toes. Don't think the wide screen ideas would work if that would mean widening the column of text - it isn't comfortable to read wide text columns. Louis wrote the other day that sites/software should be kept simple. I like the ones that are simple on the surface, but slowly reveal their features - that's the way it is for me with gmail. The a-ha! experience.
- howard shippin
I just think the "pop up" link should be more obvious.
- Stanislas Jourdan
You could use ◥ for clarifying the entry "pop-up" link. At least temporarily: the pop-up link is the time stamp in Twitter, too; who doesn't use/know Twitter?
- Jérôme Flipo
@Jérôme : ?? (it's not really for me, i'm used to the current link location)
- Stanislas Jourdan
@Stan, You = FF team :) I read lots of complaints about this "hidden" link. I can't find an easy way to make it obvious. The mouse-over idea they tested few days ago wasn't well accepted. Addind a "link" link would take some unnecessary space, etc. The UTF character in "16 hours ago ◥" , as ugly as it may be, could shows that the timestamp is popable. This character or another (the Gmail chat pop-up icon would be far prettier).
- Jérôme Flipo
It looks a little better, but I still don't get it. It introduces more noise and is really weak in the filtration department.
- Brian
I think the main feed area looks better, but the side areas are wasted. The things that niggle me the most are: the rows are (1) too close together in the lists of feeds etc on the right hand side (and i don't like the font) and (2) The Me Feed has gone. That was a really quick, handy way of checking whether i'd already posted something on a topic.
- Eyoki
side bar is a bit wasted.. but like the overall feel of this better :)
- Rachael Depp
It's taking time to readjust, but I'm liking it. I like the real time updates, I like the layout (couldn't give a fig if the graphics are 'sooooo 1990s' as I saw one comment. It does what I want - it aggregates and distributes my social networking life. It does what it promises. I just hope FF doesn't become distracted by bolting more bells and whistles on eg personally couldn't give a toss about the new email function.
- David Eedle
OH, God I hate it. If the changes were optional, if I could pick and choose which ones to enable, that would be one thing. I am a recovered epileptic, and the constant scrolling and jumping on screen makes me QUEASY!! Ugh, I can't look at it, and I can't stay here if they don't give us a way to override it or stop it. I loved picking fave FF posts and tracking the whole conversation and linking back to it, but haven't figured out how to do that yet.
- Patricia F. Anderson
having to scroll up through some 200+ comments in order to make a new comment is a royal PITA .. as for my final thoughts on the whole mess that is FF http://bit.ly/2F0fU
- Steven Hodson
Found the pause button - thanks, folks. That is (shall we say) not intuitive?
- Patricia F. Anderson
Robert, they might want to create an option for people who don't want to express there info on "how many people they follow/subscribe to" and "how many people follow/subscirbe to them".
- Michael Forian
A big step backward. They removed features I rely on (imaginary friends, the feed icons), made the UI generally more obtuse, and failed to add any features I particularly want. Real time update is particularly awful: a nice gimmick for ~30 seconds, until you realize that in a feed with a slow update rate it makes no difference, and in a feed with a fast update rate it make the page unreadable, and forces you to pause the stream, putting you right back into non-real time, but with extra effort required.
- David Gaw
major suckage. to use a profession term.
- michelle lamar
and where are all my friends? Can't see the friends. Grrr.
- michelle lamar
michelle, do you have a friend list in place? if not, make one. (go to friends and start picking 'em out to put on the list...)
- Karoli
Not working from FB feeds... Not mine... Not yet...
- derek Bee
I think this thread sucks, OP and all 254 previous comments.
- ianf ⌘
Old ff didn't suck & neither does the new - this thread alone provides a great example of why I love ff in ways I'll never love Twitter
- Forrest Cox
@Forrest .. on that I do agree with you.
- Steven Hodson
Absolutely NOT, it's better and most beautiful that before ,, keep THIS design up
- FFTornado
The commenting scheme on FF is horrible, and this "thread" is a prime example of comments gone wrong.
- Bob Blunk
from Nambu
Yeah, kinda, because some things are harder or impossible for me to do now, but some things are way cooler. The concept of real time is important and I'm glad they're going for it. I'll deal. I'm here, aren't I?
- Laura Norvig
I'm not using #FriendFeed so much now - without 'imginary friend' feature. Going back to Tweetdeck and others to group new twitter only follows
- Julian Edward
I can't quite imagine reason that #imaginaryfriend taken out - unless friendfeed aiming to be alternative to twitter ? surely not. Universality suits friendfeed Perhaps it is to do with data volume and the marketing effectiveness of specific data flows. Would love to know more. In meantime I'm going back to Tweetdeck and looking for a web alternative to grouping twitter friends.
- Julian Edward
well - Tweetdeck still too slow and unstable! Surprised by that after all this time. Seesmic a little slow too but beta.
- Julian Edward
Poor layout, twitter-like, and I hate twitter
- Daniele Severo
It's OK. I prefer the layout to the old FF but the old version felt more 'friendly'. Disagree about Twitter btw. I love it. Its simplicity, you could say its limitations are what i like about it. Sometimes FF overwhelms me and i when i log on feel like someone who's just arrived at some kind of high-powered party, i.e. an outsider. I never get that with Twitter: it always feels like 'mine'.
- Eyoki
I only seem to use it when twitter is down. A better iPhone app might bring me around more often more "reader" like features (ie, let me add feeds and info that only I see like my google reader subscriptions and all of the tweets from my account on twitter)
- Scott Watermasysk
If it's not on friendfeed, I'm not interested, Thomas. :)
- Alex Scoble
Best ignore those that think they know what is going on and preach about it.
- Uncle CW™
Uhh oh, don't I act like that sometimes, CW? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
Your a scoble.. I don't think you can help it. ;) But you back up your statements, allow others the chance to change your mind and not go off to a Ashram and sulk when people complain about you. ;)
- Uncle CW™
People are complaining about me? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
You mean yesterday's news Arrington ??? Or today's embargo Arrington?
- David HC Soul
I just read Arrington's post and commented via FriendFeed (not to make any philosophical point, but because I'm on an older mobile phone right now using fftogo). While I had some quibbles, the fact remains that there are far fewer FriendFeed users than there are Facebook users. Then again, there are far fewer Twitter users than Facebook users, so simplicity isn't everything...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
The word I heard him use was "nobody", not "fewer", "nobody"...Perhaps I'm wrong though...either way, I don't care. I find friendfeed to be eminently more entertaining and useful than Twitter or Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
I'm going with Scoble, and betting on this horse. This new UI is just a thing of beauty. This is how it should be. They're the ones who've found the Grail Castle. This is it right here. I'm just loving it.
- Web Nex
Here. But off to bed soon. Back later. G'nite, FF.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Love the new beta. Really nice job to Team FF!
- Marc Chung
Wow, a whole ~120 people ... over 5 hours. I used to play on MUDs 10+ years ago with more simultaneous users. FF is 98% Scoble-hype noise, 2% RSS crawling.
- Dossy Shiobara
@bec rowe - fine, I'll be generous, suppose there's a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more users, 10x or 1,200 ... this is a big deal? Most major IRC networks each have 60k+ concurrent users and that's tech that's 15+ years old now.
- Dossy Shiobara
for such a "new and improved" UI, why do I have to scroll ALL the way back up to click the "comment" link? what, did none of the UX people think "gee, putting it at the bottom of the list of comments would be a good idea"?
- Dossy Shiobara
seriously, people, stop being sheep. FF is cute but it's a pet rock.
- Dossy Shiobara
Exactly -- I come here to escape from Facebook and when I want more conversation than Twitter :) Sheep we are not. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I have 3 tabs locked into the first three positions of my always-open Firefox window: Google Reader, Gmail and you guessed it... FriendFeed.
- Brooks Bishop
Absolutley! Great aggregator, but have to use Twirl or other app at work
- Jonathan Decker
from twhirl
Who the hell is Michael Arrington, and why should I give two tugs of a dead dog's cock what he thinks?
- Steven Perez
damn you steven perez... speak ya mind for a change!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Perez: Some meatbag with an overblown sense of self importance
- Mo Kargas
Arrington is a Web 1.0 dinosaur trying to make himself relevant still by being Jerry Springer without the entertainment value.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Just to note: I know damn well who Arrington is. He's that meatsack whose website couldn't hold its load for a few hours. But I'm serious about not caring what he thinks.
- Steven Perez
that's r scoble too mo... ooops I'll get bashed! :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
something tells me THIS proves how little he uses this place ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That's OK, I get the sense that most people here couldn't care less. :) We use friendfeed because we like it, not because some A-Lister that doesn't even participate here thinks we should or shouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
*comment deleted to keep up appearances that I'm a nice guy*
- Michael W. May
Shouldn't this be on a TC post since all those comments will be sucked into the blog itself?
- coldbrew
agreed alex, if you watch your brother's video of the pre-beta walk through from last weekend, mike was there, engaged and asked good questions of bret and paul, but then he goes off and belittles ff & those using it - immature or trollish not sure which it is...
- mike "glemak" dunn
But Alex.. your bro is a supposed A-lister...
- Rob Sellen :o)
dunn: Arrington is providing feedback. I'm sure team-FF can handle it.
- coldbrew
yeah the feedback he provides is..."the worse way to use friendfeed" :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
My brother also participates here a lot, so when he says something is great or sucks here he has some authority...certainly a lot more authority on the subject than you know who.
- Alex Scoble
i am and its soo much better. Tell mike the tech rumors are better here, too.
- Roberto Bonini
my head hurts. || button is my friend
- Todd Randolph
Right on Alex! To enhance what I said yesterday, FriendFeed is the "coolest app" to consume information on the Internet and interact with smart people.
- Eric Berlin
Nah, I never use FriendFeed. FriendFeed uses me! Don't ask.
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
*rolls eyes* Outlandish statements are how Arrington moves the space. It doesn't matter how the space moves, as long as it moves, then Arrington can remora off it. He doesn't care who wins or how his little bombs affect anyone, just as long as it moves somewhere. He's like a weapons dealer who foments the extension of wars so he can sell the weapons to both sides.
- Matthew DeVries
It's Michael Arrington. His ego is the size of the Sun and is infinitely expanding like the universe. All I hear is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."
- Zach Flauaus
My thread was first and my brother was just being a copycat. First!
- Alex Scoble
Put both threads in a room, and similpost in both. The power of the exponent!
- Matthew DeVries
yep, that Scoble is a copycat !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
I think the only way to settle this is with a good old fashioned slap fight. Or a drinking contest... Either way we need video of it.
- Joe Pierce
But I said "First!" That's the internet beat down right there.
- Alex Scoble
more comments than likes? how can that be... you commenter's who have yet to like...like.. and those who have yet comment...comment..and like ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm down with FreindFeed. My usage has skyrocketed since the beta launch.
- Tim
I like the features they've added. I'm not a fan of the real time feature so just will have it perpetually paused and will refresh like I always did with the old tool. Overall I think it's a good thing.
- Alex Scoble
Not sure I like that removal of the source icons. I cannot quickly identify from where the posts are originating. Before you could see if the content was from a blog, Twitter, Flickr or Delicious. Now it looks like it was passed through a Twitter-izer machine to look like Twitter but in real-time. Functionally though, I like it. This is only a small gripe.
- Rolf Schewe
twitter is much more better than this new style of friendfeed .
- Viva Vida
Just tested out the search: it's pretty cool too. I guess a good search could make it easier to track stuff you might have missed due to it flying past.
- Will Higgins™
twitter is NOT real time - NOT the same.
- Susan Beebe
Actually to me, it looks more like a chat room or MUSH this time around.
- Phil G
Right, Susan. It isn't the same as Twitter, but it sure looks a lot like Twitter now.
- Alex Scoble
If it does then my ejection cord is ready to be pulled.
- Richard A.
Yes, it is in fact pictures of people next to what they typed. It also looks like Facebook, Disqus, Jaiku, and pretty much every other service with, you know, people who type stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
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- Alex C. Williams
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- Alex C. Williams
Well the electric bill for storage is high - but who's fault is that?
- Wes Schadenfreud
I am surprised the site is still as clean as it is from Ads. Also, there are a number of channels they don't appear to even have tried monetizing (Email, SMS, Mobile)
- Alex C. Williams