OK, that's too funny. Individual FriendFeeders and their last 5 entries. And yes, it perpetuates the A-List... - Hutch Carpenter
Nick: no, on my FriendFeed! (Guy Kawasaki: Nick is a mover and shaker tech geek in Washington DC, keeps one of the top Facebook blogs). - Robert Scoble
Nice list and format for checking out some of the top FriendFeed users (at least as picked by Guy Kawasaki and team). - Robert Scoble
Hutch: the A list is NOT dead. It's just that everyone will be on the A list soon. - Robert Scoble
Too bad many of the people on that page are not really actively participating in conversations here. I say down with lists ALLTOgether. @guykawasaki meh. I'd love to see that page filtered to only show native Friendfeed entries/comments. I bet it would look pretty empty. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow - all that does is convince me that AllTop is moving into really useless territory. Why would I EVER go to AllTop to find new people to follow on FriendFeed? I'm even on an AllTop list (journalist) but think it has little value (get an RSS). - David Cohn
Thing that really sticks out about that list is that it's all tech and social media. FF is already broader than that (not that there's a thing wrong with tech and sm). - Chris Baskind
Self promotion is a good thing. However, whoever made that list should have titled it "Subscribe to my friends on FriendFeed" - Candace Holly
another list polluted by who Guy likes at a given time. It was my issue with alltop to start with, and still is. I made fun of Trumors at one stage, and I've been banned ever since - Duncan Riley
Well I somehow made this list. This concept is somewhat similar to Crowdstatus. I created a page a while back to track users behind the top Lifestreaming services http://lifestreamblog.com/usin... - Mark Krynsky
Apparently, I've been too quiet on FF - at least I can still hang around with y'all over on the Twitterati list. But I don't blame guy - apparently, the list was compiled for him. :) - Lucretia Pruitt
Yeah - very interesting list - I really don't see many of those involved on FriendFeed much. Curious how he compiled that. - Jesse Stay
Every time there's a list it perpetuates the A-List. "Everyone" will never be on the A-List as long as there are lists. - Cyndy
What Cyndy meant to say is that if there is "a list", there will be "a list" unless there is "no list" - Louis Gray
the truth is that lists have always been around and are here to stay, part of life... - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dude. That was before caffeine. At 6:30 or so. After a night with a kid in bed with us. I seriously need a new bed. I'm thinking of moving into the bunk beds since they are so rarely occupied by actual children. I swear it made sense. - Cyndy
I enjoy lists that show me NEW people to follow, interesting people who I might not have heard of or seen, not a carbon copy of other lists or the same names repeated everywhere. I guess I don't get it. What's the point of these lists? - Trish Robinson
The lists are a great idea and I can't complain since my two main blogs are both on Alltop lists. The problem, especially with an emerging medium like FriendFeed, is that it perpetuates the existing hierarchy very quickly. Simply by being on the list, you'll get more subscribers and stay atop the list. - James Joyner
Alltop's Frienderati page looks like the A-List "elite". I agree with Lucretia, it appears this list was created for Guy and he shared it. ;*) - Susan Beebe
We want to hire a Scoble-clone at bit.ly to camp out on the net and soak up ideas and feed them back to the team and vice versa. There's more to the job than bit.ly. I keep telling the guys we need a Scoble. Know any?? :-) - Dave Winer
Dave: If you're serious I have an idea for you. - Jason Goldberg
The young Scoble who would be appropriate for this is too busy playing with his new iPhone 3G and WoW. :-) - Robert Scoble
Patrick is a little too young I'm afraid. But not much too young. In a few years. - Dave Winer
Ahh. In that case you're looking for Louis Gray. ;-) - Robert Scoble
Or me. Dave - you remember Norbert Mikula? You and I met when I worked for him back in '99ish. D or @ me if interested. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@Dave - can i put my services forward? I'm not a young Scoble by any means - i doubt one exists....and i'm not an internet celebrity (yet) :). But with regard to soaking up ideas, listening round the clock & feeding them back. I could ensure I knock that out of the ballpark for you. It's essentially what I do for a living - Zee from WeDoCreative
Brian, since FF doesn't have profiles, you gotta paste in a link to a backgrounder. But that's a bad sign, I'm looking for someone who I don't have to coach in the art of repping a product on the net, someone who already knows what to do. - Dave Winer
Already I'm glad I asked this question. Not only are we looking for help, it's important to understand how we market in 2008 and into 2009. Scoble blazed a trail for sure. Now where do we go from here? As we've been brainstorming it, I'd like someone who also is a programmer, who can help build the software, but is outwardly focused. Most programmers aren't. The ones who like users are the ones I seek. - Dave Winer
Dave: I'd look at what Gary Vaynerchuk is doing. http://www.winelibrary.tv -- he's the most brilliant marketer -- by far -- on the Internet today. Get someone with 1/8th his skills and you got a winner. - Robert Scoble
Interesting that products and services need just a regular word-o-mouth type digital marketer now and that this is normal/standard. - David Cohn
Yup, I agree about Gary. It's hard not to be involved in his marketing, it's everywhere. And that's where you want to be. :-) - Dave Winer
What's "young" to you, Dave? 16? 21? - Zach Flauaus
Sounds like it;s time to meet Louis. Is he in the Bay Area? - Dave Winer
I am wondering with @zachflauaus. How young is young? - Matt Pippen
Dave: yes, Louis is local, but his wife just had twins so might be hard to get out of the house. - Robert Scoble
Someone with both superior technical and superior business skills is a rare find. Either you have a person with only one of these skills, or someone with middling tech/business skills. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Brian gets my vote. So does Corvida. Both are always participating in the community (and are well liked) and that's the #1 ingredient that Dave needs here. - Robert Scoble
Dave: send me a DM on twitter. I have a good idea for you. - Jason Goldberg
To my credit (or maybe not) I hired Scoble in the 90s so I saw the potential of Scoble-style marketing pretty early. Young is a spiritual thing, not looking for a specific age, but Patrick is just starting high school and he's a great guy, but still has to get his education. I've known him since he was a baby, and I'd never interfere with that. - Dave Winer
@Dave - I'm in SFOish area till Weds. If you want to meet, I'm game. Your call. PS - thanks Robert for the kind words. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Good point, Ontario. I've been blessed enough to be able to make my living from having that exact mix. A socially-capable geek, who can also run an no-need-to-sleep business meeting? Say it ain't so! - Bradley McSpinn
Dave: you hired me in 2001, right before 9/11. :-) -- I hired Dave in the 1990s to speak at our Web conferences. - Robert Scoble
I would like to think the person your looking for doesn't even know they are the one.They are on the web doing something they feel passionate about and love, just cause.. end deep thought - Britney Mason
I think Winer in a sense, passed on the torch to Scoble ... I know Dave hasn't gone anywhere and won't either - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
Scoble, okay now I remember. Actually I spoke at your conf in New Orleans in late 2000. I still tell people you were already blogging at the time, just using email. Most of your speakers probably thought you were a PITA but I thought you were visionary. - Dave Winer
Louis -- Scoble said you're a Young Scoble. That's a high compliment. Are you in teh Bay Area? (Note, I'm about to sign off for the night, so may not respond until morning). - Dave Winer
C'mon Louis. Go play with the twins and get off socnets for a while. LOL :) - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
No way you can clone Scoble. He is one of a kind. But if you're going to try, FF is the right hunting grounds. - Christian Anderson via fftogo
Louis: wait until you see what I said about you over on my blog. - Robert Scoble
Now I'm wishing I was 20 yrs younger...;) But seriously, there are some great names already thrown out in this thread. The problem I have is that most of the "young Scobles" are already deluged with projects... The names I come up with immediately are so busy already doing stuff like that, it would be hard to lure them away from their present obsessions. - Lucretia Pruitt
Dave, I'm pretty easy to reach. I live in Sunnyvale and attended Cal. Cell phone is 408 646 2759. E-mail: louisgray@mac.com. Call anytime. - Louis Gray
that's my dream job. To be the internet presence for a cool company and to take their users' ideas, suggestions, criticisms, values, hopes, dreams, etc and help help make them a reality by organizing them and getting them to the right people to make it happen. - David Silvernail
@davemcclure: Daniel Brusilovsky is a delight and we are not giving him up anytime soon. :-) - Jackie
Daniel Brusilovski is definitely someone to watch - that kid is awesome! Just wish we could get him on FF... - Jesse Stay via twhirl
I for one do not want to be a young Scoble. I rather be building something useful. - Trebor Elbocs
I was linked in alongside RWW to Kara as the story broke 12 hours ago on Techmeme. Now my link is gone, despite the post still being there. Thx Gabe for making this personal - Duncan Riley via Bookmarklet
Thou shalt not piss off Arrington. What a tiny little boy's club the A-list turns out to be... - Sprague D
Sprauge, to me it casts another serious light on the impartiality of Techmeme as a service. I've long been a Techmeme fan and junkie, but it would appear to be as you suggestion. Funny thing: when I went to bed last night I thought seeing my link there proved I wasn't banned from Techmeme....it must have been a glitch me even being there - Duncan Riley
Duncan, Techmeme is a black box and suspect in any number of ways. Avoid it. You have shown your value consistently since you broke away from TC. Forge a new route to readers. Your invaluable contributions to FF are a good start. Trust the Force, Luke. - Sprague D
Duncan - Techmeme has expired links forever, this isn't anything new. It seems like if you haven't had somebody link to you recently you're more likely to drop off the list faster, particularly if the people who linked to you originally didn't have as much TM juice, if you will. - TDavid
Louis, I don't think I'm banned (the fact the link appeared at all is proof of that) but it's odd that the link was then dropped. TDavid, news to me. Look at some of those link bundles, then do the math one blog to another. - Duncan Riley
Sprague, you are of course right, it just cuts a little bit because I've always held Gabe in such high regard and I've loved Techmeme for longer than I can remember. I guess it's time to stop reading it now, given I can read the headlines on TC if I wanted to anyway. - Duncan Riley
What does it matter? Who reads TechMeme? People like us. What do people like us do? Read all these blogs anyway. You very likely have them in your feed reader already. If not, Twitter and Friendfeed usually fill in the rest. All you're doing is giving yourself one more site to visit. - Shawn Farner
I've read through this thread but still don't fully understand the issue. It's always been my assumption that links are added and dropped from story clusters based upon some mysterious techmeme algorithm. I could see some case made perhaps if you feel that you broke a story and were subsequently dropped out of a story cluster too quickly? - Eric Berlin
Duncan - I've had this happen as a piece gets stale - updated it - back - Charlie Anzman
I think the fact folks are out to get you, Duncan, may have you seeing conspiracies where there aren't any. If you want to go step through the techmeme archive hour by hour, it looks like those links shuffle continuously, as Eric suggest. Your link was the only one at h0645, but then started moving down the list as others came along, until it was finally pushed off by h1700 http://www.techmeme.com/080711... - Ken Sheppardson
Maybe their algorithm considers how many other sites link to a particular article, and as the network of links grows, the target sites move up and down the list accordingly. - Ken Sheppardson
Jason, no, he prefers them young :-) - Duncan Riley
Duncan, my best advice -- quit the club, let your mind clear out, and watch for new shit. The insiders will be so busy trying to stay on top they'll miss it. Seen it happen over and over. - Dave Winer
Dave is right. I just subscribed to some new feeds in Google Reader and spend a lot more time in FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble
(Duncan: unrelated question - What is this screen capture software?) - Erhan Erdogan
I must have missed something, I didn't know you and Gabe had issues. But Dave is right - have faith in your content and don't worry about Techmeme - or any other popularity contest. If you base your success on that then your going to be disappointed mate. - Dave Gray
Erhan, Skitch, and I can't speak highly enough of it. - Duncan Riley
(Duncan: Sorry - I'm a Windows sucker ; ) Thanks. - Erhan Erdogan
I think techmeme is cool, but I hardly go there anymore. Because I don't need to. The walls are crumbling. - Jim Kukral
Dave Gray: I didn't know Duncan and I had "issues" either, because there's really no reason why we should. - Gabe Rivera
I'm gonna say this once: I did nothing to remove Duncan's links. In a variety of situations, Techmeme caps the number of "Discussion" links for a post, and if the order of your appearance in the list increases over time as Ken Sheppardson observed, there's obviously a good chance you'll fall off the end. It happens. A lot. Conincidentally, just before I learned of Duncan's strange accusation after arriving at the O'Reilly FOO thing in Sebastopol, an email was waiting from a major NY based publisher asking why it happened to him. - Gabe Rivera
Duncan: that's now the second public accusation regarding Techmeme that makes little sense, apparently designed to hurt my reputation or Techmeme's, evidently to further some beef with Michael Arrington. I'm gonna conclude this is your strategy from here on out, and shift my appeal to others: please disregard everything Duncan says about me or Techmeme. K THX BYE. - Gabe Rivera
Heheh, Gabe, you should just answer "if you want to always be on TechMeme, buy some advertising." That's what I did. :-) - Robert Scoble
Oh, one more thing, if you "liked" this post, could you explain what you liked about it? Dave Winer? Nick O'Neil? Sarah Perez? I'd love to hear from you. - Gabe Rivera
Gabe: we like controversy. Haven't you figured that out yet? - Robert Scoble
Gabe, I didn't "Like" this post, but the reason why folks are interested is, that you've power, and those not in power love to hear about unsettling that power, and controversy and conspiracy often work the best. - Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, and Robert: fair point. Once I even used "like"...ironically. I'll add though that "like" has and often will be viewed to some extent as an endorsement, and if you suspect something is just a lie, it's best to think twice about endorsing it. - Gabe Rivera
Why the fuck are all these people jostling for their names to be /not be on a frickin web site ? Do I really care if your name is on techmeme or not or a user is BL'ed by Gabe's apps or for that matter fact any other app. SO really whats the big deal ?? To me its all about being their ego's.. BIG EGOS' !! Duncan, tell me seriously why are crying if your name is not being credited/linked on techmeme ? screw a web site.. this intertingled web is disgusting..charter your own course , dont piggy back ! - Peter Dawson
Peter-you rock man! Well said-a man after my own heart(and spleen-:)) - Mark Forman
I'm 'like'ing this not because I'm endorsing Duncan's accusation, but because I like the fact that it's devolved into a semantic argument about 'like', which I like. I mean, which I endorse. Or flag. Whatever. If there were a way to just 'like' particular comments without 'like'ing the entire post, I'd be happy to do that. Maybe FriendFeed should really just make up a new word to replace 'like'. May I suggest "zoink" - Ken Sheppardson
no more traffic now everyone else has gone else where - Toby Weston via twhirl
I just read this and did a little bit of sick in my mouth. - Chris Nixon
Ya know - if Twitter got rid of all the spammers - I bet their services would actually work.... - George Smith
Yeah, I think a lot more of us are looking at FF, etc. I'm only posting on Twitter via Ping... not checking there. - Paul Otto
I am spending a lot less time actually posting on Twitter. Right now I bounce posts starting at Ping.fm -> BrightKite -> Twitter Haven't seen a whale in a while. - Robert Gonzalez
Does this have any correlation to Pivotal Labs doing work for Twitter? If anyone knows how to scale RoR, it's PL. - AJ Kohn
and pownce's load times are significantly improved... what's next? - Frankie Warren
I thought someone did post something yesterday saying that Twitter had managed to make some improvements recently. - MiniMage
maybe it's not crashing, but it still doesn't have IM support back yet. - Ben Reierson
Twutter seens ti be dead, used to be getting a few hundred updates an hour now only getting like 10-15. - Andrew Fielding
I think people are starting to use it less and less. Like me, i guess... - Saul Mora via twhirl
They allow for more update requests again now. Its back to 70 per hour where as it has been 20 or something for a while now. Things are looking up at last :) - Simon Wicks
...but twitters downtime is its business model! Remember friendster? - Vipin Chamakkala
I agree with others I think people are using it less because of the summer months, and maybe their infrastructure is better after their big $15 million dollar injection - Jeremy Campbell via twhirl
@Simon, where did you see that the API requests is set to 70 again? According to their status page it's still at 20. - John Barker
It's nice that they have the API limit moving up, but it still doesn't offer the response time that I desire. When I'm on Twitter, I'm interacting rapidly with people, and I have a lot of stuff flowing by very quickly. I need GTalk integration to work again. Updated right away, without the need for a client to request updates, and I can respond right away. Anything less and my Twitter use is too frustrating.
Twitter @thattalldude - Shawn Kirsch via FriendFeed MT Plugin
100 requests/hour! finally some good news from twitter. - Alan Le
Does Twitter have an iPhone version of the FailWhale ready for this weekend? - Bill Sodeman via fftogo
Is it just me, or are all baby clothes in either FriendFeed or Twitter colors? I was noticing in my baby boy's clothes today that I had half of web 2.0 in his wardrobe. - Jesse Stay
Wonderful photos. Congrats and enjoy! - Larry Huffman
yeah it is all nice and happy now - give it 12 months and the inner demon comes out... Nice time though, when they are small and cute :) Enjoy it. - Dave Gray
The best part at this age is when they fall asleep on your chest. - Russellreno
Looks like Sarah is trying to push Matt away... saying "Hey dude! We are so out of the womb! Shove over!!" - Yolanda
“Sign of FriendFeed addiction #98: your Chumby wakes you up in the morning to some great 80's music, and you accidently hit the stop alarm button thinking it's a like button”
I want a chumby too. $179? Duncan/Tamar -- do you recommend it? - Robert Seidman
Tamar, you need it in your bedroom, nothing quite like waking up to Club 977 the 80's channel :-) - Duncan Riley
I just heard about the Chumby last night from @romangarcia of eBay. I heard it's open source. i want it to learn how to read me an ebook at night. :D - Christine Lu
I use my chumby as a dedicated ff device right next to my big display. - Jay Tannenbaum
Robert, as an alarm clock it is rather extravagant, but having said that I use the stream side fairly regularly in bed (for example when reading, on the laptop). the programmable alarm is also very handy as well. - Duncan Riley
Idk, I dont have a Chumby, hope to get one within the next 4 months though. - Andrew Fielding
I'm with Robert. There are tools to block jerks from FF and Twitter so they can cease to exist to you. Makes you feel better instead of worse - Nicholas Molnar
that's life (not being rude), some people will just never change & it's SAD! - ChaCha Fance
Been lucky and missed it all. Or just ignored it well. - LPH
@mike doeff I see what you mean now, I thought it would be about some ignorant newspaper journalist talking about how bad FF, Twitter, blogs, etc. are for the world. This is something else, would a 'social blocking' feature or a 'friends of you blocked this person, which of them would you block too' thing help you think? - Melle Gloerich
As per Robert, it seems as though FF, as it becomes more mainstream, is attracting some nasties. Sadly par for the course I guess. The one thing I've appreciated with FF so far is the overwhelmingly positive discourse across the board - Duncan Riley
mgloerich I'm sure it's just me, but I don't see anything remotely funny about them. I'm not well known for having a good sense of humor about hateful words, since I really do believe words make a difference. If I didn't, I wouldn't spend hours reading and writing them. Having said that, I was less surprised when I discovered this took place on Yahoo! Live, which is a boiling cesspool of assholes. - Karoli via twhirl
Melle, overall FF and Twitter have been relatively troll-free for me, but like Duncan mentioned, as these services get more mainstream I spend more time filtering, blocking, etc. I've found that the more "public" sites like YouTube are full of lowest common denominator comments, which is why I spend so little time on those types of services. - Mike Doeff
You don't have to read if it's like that. - Daniel Schildt
I'm happy to say I haven't witnessed the hate first hand yet, but i've got the "block" trigger ready to go :) - Justin Korn
@Mike: you are right. You can't post a comment on youtube without someone trying to insult you. Some people on the internet have serious problems. - Rahul Das
Daniel, normally I don't seek out that stuff but tonight I ventured outside of my usual network on FF / Twitter to see what was being said about the racially charged events from today. The worst stuff is always from commenters who are hiding behind anonymous log-in's. - Mike Doeff
Also, it really bummed me out to hear from Bwana that he needs to kick racist trolls out of chat EVERY TIME he live streams on uStream. That just shouldn't be happening in 2008. - Mike Doeff
@karoli I don't think those comments are funny a contrary, I thought that Mike was talking on hatefull articles ABOUT FF etc, not hatefull to persons. - Melle Gloerich
