Building 43 will take a bit of time - but hopefully we have the first floor in May. But this is a project, not a website. It is a community, not a blog. It is what we all decide to make it. But it is most certainly about US - the people that are fanatical about the Internet.
fanatical about the Internet? unless am missing something, ...the internet is now infrastructure, if you are fanatical about the internet now, you might have missed that boat... its about people now, not celebs, normal people ...." this is a project, not a website. It is a community," sounds like you don't know what you are doing, which says you are probably spending someone's money who wasn't cool and are lame enough to buy the "cool" tech people, and it reeks of elitism in every way
- Tweet Feeds
Hopefully it will be a nice looking Building? Or is it a Warehouse? Most geek virtual architecture, especially in gameware - looks like the local Convenient store or Californian strip mall. But if you want to go better - Look to Dubai or China right now, for really outstanding modern architecture.
- Kay Designer
Kay: Building43 is in your mind so you can make it look however you want.
- Robert Scoble
Oh. ..... ........ .......... Its IN my mind? 8-o How did it get in there?
- Kay Designer
I busted a RT when I saw it in my stream and trending... First time I saw Twitter trends be so false. I usually thoroughly check before RTing but the sources looked legit and figured the headline said it all.. Lesson learned :)
- Jesse Newhart
Mark: it's not technically a hoax. The story is just a year old. Look at the dateline carefully.
- Robert Scoble
warning, tooting my own stuff, but this is another reason why _content_ is important on the realtime web, not just conversation. here's a screen shot for a OneRiot SERP on "prop 8" http://www.flickr.com/photos... The good news here is that the realtime web can get information out *fast* (of course). but it also has to be reliable.
- Tobias Peggs
http://bit.ly/DA "Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do. For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can’t easily answer back – like newspapers, television or granite. Hence ‘carved in stone.’"
- Kevin Marks
"What should concern us is not that we can’t take what we read on the internet on trust – of course you can’t, it’s just people talking – but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV – a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make."
- Kevin Marks
looks like Prop8 goof may have started from this individual tweet: http://twitter.com/Juliana... and amplified by many, many others, LATimes being one. (via http://daggle.com/how-pro...) Question then becomes whether that original tweet was driven by erroneous GOOG news alert etc. or just human error.
- Dan Rua
Robert, as Dan notes in pointing to my post above, it wasn't that the LA Times tweeted it. That came well after the original tweets started. Not good, added to the confusion, but not the source.
- dannysullivan
nice work Danny...ironic that posts/tweets highlighting the goof/bad information (old news) starts propagating bad information about the origin of the error...it's like a viral mutation.
- Dan Rua
Robert, thank you for opening this debate. Just posted this clarification over on our original FF version of the tweet in question:This tweet was a misfire. Once it was noticed, it was a) removed from twitter to avoid confusion. b) acknowledged and corrected as an FTR: http://twitter.com/LATimes... c) we shared links to our most current coverage. We appreciate your feedback and...
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- Los Angeles Times
I figured it was either an intern who didn't really understand twitter, or a mistake. But yeah, being that it was a media organization the size of the LATimes, it's pretty scary. It shows, though, the passion and interest around Prop 8; and more importantly, the necessity to actually READ the links one retweets.
- Karoli
@LA Times when & where exactly on the Blog? I can't seem to find mention of it or does anyone else see a response?
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Hoax? It's called checking everything before RTing. :)
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I'm confused - you said "have you on my show" and then referred to Beyonce, and she's not here
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well at least it's not an emotionally charged topic for anyone. I'm sure no one will pick up on this. I'll get the torches, Robert, can I borrow your extra pitch fork?
- Kevin Murray
Here's a direct link to the LA Now blog post, from 2:13pm PDT: "False report on Proposition 8 being overturned lights up Twitter" - http://tr.im/ltFR ~ AndrewN, LAT [full-time staffer, not an intern]
- Los Angeles Times
I'M SICK OF THIS ISSUE! BOTH sides have repeatedly violated the law in an attempt to either shove legal gay marriage down Californians' throats or shove marriage discrimination against gays down Californians' throats. I support the legalization of gay marriage, but not the illegal tactics used by BOTH sides to force victory on their side.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
Twitter just went down. Don’t worry, it was planned. It should only be offline for about an hour today but there’s another downtime planned for Monday as well. I’m sitting here not quite sure what do with myself, as I’m sure many of you are. So I’ll go ahead a prepare a list of alternative activities for today and Monday, in order of importance/likelihood:
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
And then this morning, Australia time, friendfeed was offline due to svcolo datacenter problems. Over here in Oz, we were wondering what the friendfeed equivalent of the failwhale was. Pity Scoble's hulk picture is his normal avatar, because that would be a great failwhale equivalent.
- George Hall (Australia)
So the ultra amusing thing is: while twitter was still down, FriendFeed went down So we did infact sit on Facebook wondering when the two might come back up. And whether or not it was actually Louis Gray's fault. ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Pretty sure this person also harvested Twitter users to send messages to from the widget I run on Lifestream Blog.
- Mark Krynsky
Since I use Lifestream as a twitter search term for both Tweetdeck and a widget on Lifestream Blog this is extra annoying for me personally.
- Mark Krynsky
Editorial Page editor, New York Times: "I think it is the task of bloggers to catch up to us, not the other way around." http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
LOL Where Rosenthal is coming from he states explicitly: "Yes, we sometimes take positions on issues that have not been reported in the news pages. Those editorials are based on our own enterprise reporting." Problem is, some bloggers have the same access and have no problem reporting on things the Times decides isn't newsworthy. When more bloggers pick up on it, it forces their hand. They either have to admit to sitting on a story or admit to not following up on a thread. Either way, they lookout of touch.
- Anika
I actually agree with them. Bloggers are very unprofessional. They do a great job of coverage and monetizing the web, but the content is usually amateurish. I would much prefer NY Times reporter blogging than a blogger in a newspaper, if you see what I mean.
- Andrew
Andrew, are you reading the right bloggers, the people who have real life expertise in the topic they write about, e.g., legal scholars, scientists, physicians? Journos may be (sometimes) better at constructing English sentences, but cannot come close to real expertise on the topic unless they spent decades studying it.
- Bora Zivkovic
Have you read the New York Times? With some of their inaccuracies I'd rather read nearly any blog - though I certainly wouldn't lump all blogs together.
- Richard Lawler
And even then (journos who spent decades studying a topic and are thus quite expert themselves), they are forced by editors to conform to journalistic traditions of form, that often render the expertise moot (as in: false equivalence when none really exists)
- Bora Zivkovic
Bora - I don't know if I am reading the right ones or not, but I'm usually reading quite a few of them. It's not just the english that I don't like (though it can be pretty bad), it's the gimmickiness of a lot of it. And the embracing of silly buzzwords. I just think that a NY Times writer wouldn't go that route.
- Andrew
What Rosenthal meant is that the blogosphere has to catch up with Bob Herbert, Maureen Dowd, Gail Collins, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman and the New York Times editorials, rather than the New York Times opinion writers having to catch up with the blogosphere. The superiority of the New York Times reporters has nothing to do with it.
- Jay Rosen
This is quite silly. Opinion writing that good is ubiquitous.
- j1m
You mean 'keep up" with those? They produce so much crap that bloggers (with day jobs) have to debunk every day. ;-) And for Andrew and language - read this, think and learn: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Did you read Dowd's last column. I got the impression she was finally getting a little glimpse at the real picture -- but only because they're fixated on Google and can't see that it's just a search engine. It's like thinking the value in the NY Times is in its index. Sure *some* of the value is there. But even more of the value is in the sources.
- Dave Winer
To put a finer point on it, while other readers might value each of the Times opinion writers differently, I -- and I suspect most of us -- have multiple friends whose expressed opinions are more worth listening to than those of Herbert, Collins, Brooks, Dowd (obviously), and even Friedman. This is commodity-quality opinion writing, and detailed opinions of high quality are available from literally millions of Americans.
- j1m
What he's really saying is: the bloggers have to catch up to us because... we have elite credentials and reporting experience. "Our board is staffed with people with a wide and deep range of knowledge on many subjects. Phil Boffey, for example, has decades of science and medical writing under his belt and often writes on those issues for us. Robert Semple, similarly, is a Pulitzer...
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- Jay Rosen
that is a silly statement. good writers are good writers, the platform is irrelevant.
- Adam Singer
Sure, but why are we never reading (or even recognizing the names) of these? What are the expertise of Dowd and Brooks apart from bloviating? Why are they famous and get all that print real-estate instead of NYT expert writers who nobody ever heard of?
- Bora Zivkovic
let's also not forget that they never, ever link to anyone outside their online walls :)
- Valeria Maltoni
they wrote: "It’s a lot easier to do online, where there’s lots of room and it is much easier for people to come and go. Giving someone a regular spot on the print Op-Ed page is another thing entirely." because it is printed? i don't understand how words or content magically changes if you print it. these guys think that printing something somehow makes it more important or valid...logically that makes no sense.
- Adam Singer
Andrew, I don't know what topic you focus on, but for my reading of blogs (political-liberal, african-american, women's issues, LGBT issues) most of the bloggers I read are former journalists like myself. I agree whole-heartedly with Adam. The platform is irrelevant from a reader's standpoint. It's these old media gatekeepers who have made it a battle between bloggers and MSM. Valeria makes a point. All of the bloggers I know, link to sources. The MSM will rip stories and test from bloggers with no link.
- Anika
Adam: I think he's saying: more has to go into it, because it has unique authority and expense and value to us. Not that print confers on it more authority, although it sounds that way.
- Jay Rosen
@Jay I disagree that it has unique authority and value. Just because they ship it to you on paper means nothing. The one thing it has is more expense. Print wins there. I guess if it makes them feel superior, great...but content is content. It's the message, not the medium. Again, from a logic standpoint (remove any emotion) words are words.
- Adam Singer
They are selling a brand. Not aware that their brand is falling speedily into disrepute because some other people have built new brands based on expertise, honesty, transparency, link-generosity and, yes, excellent command of language. And yes, paper is expensive real-estate: http://scienceblogs.com/clock... and yes, the whole bloggers vs. journalists trope is wrong: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Let me repeat what I said: I think he's saying: more has to go into it, because it has unique authority and expense and value to us, the New York Times. We spend more on it, so it better have unique authority, in other words.
- Jay Rosen
Yes, from their perspective, that is how they almost have to think.
- Bora Zivkovic
To ignore the topic again :) Anika - I don't read LGBT blogs. I typically read either tech or political blogs. Tech blogs tend to be buzzword laden and sensationalistic. Most of that has to do with the lack of actual goings on to talk about. The political blogs I seperate between two categories: Andrew Sullivan and the partisan folks. Andrew Sullivan is quality on every level. Everyone...
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- Andrew
Oh FOH. At least with blogs you generally get to see how much of what you just read was parroted from the original press release. It's incredibly rare that I read an article, specifically in the NYT, that contains "actual information."
- Richard Lawler
I guess if you mention "New York Times" that's just a big 'ol sign that says: dump on or defend the reporting of the New York Times thread.
- Jay Rosen
Jay, I see your point, but the face remains that those writers don't often adhere to high standards as their background would imply. These are opinion pieces, so they get away with playing fast and loose with facts for partisan reasons. They omit some things, linking a statement from "a senior official" to their final conclusion. They don't have to back up what they say because they know the editors and ombudsman will say, "These are op-eds." Otherwise, Dowd would have been put out of our misery years ago,
- Anika
I just meant Rosenthal is the editor of the opinion section; that's all. He has nothing to do with the reporting staff of the New York Times. Columnists who play fast and loose with facts, yes, that would be his domain. By the way, he also noted in the Q & A that columnists write their own headlines, a nice little fact.
- Jay Rosen
It's an interesting tack. One would think the EP editor would offer a defense of the value of institutional opinion, rather than puff up board members as the best gladiators in Thunderdome.
- gnarlytrombone
Catch up, it's like chasing wounded gazelle, sure it'll run for a while, but at certain point the blood loss just becomes too much. At this point new media could sit and watch old media bleed money tell it dies and not be the worse for wear. Except they are not. Its really an evolving system vs a static newspaper format. The bloggers are more knowledgeable (usually experts on the topic) and cheaper. For god sake I follow Karl Rove on twitter, who needs the opinion of journalist, when you can get thesource
- Adam B
What's interesting about it, to me, is that Rosenthal works in the one area of mainstream journalism most affected by competition and criticism from bloggers, especially sources going direct. And rather than admit any of that. he just goes the opposite way.
- Jay Rosen
The other thing to note here is that, if I read Rosenthal correctly, he's not even talking about any of the op-ed columnists, he's talking exclusively about the editorial board -- the gang of garlanded pros who write the unsigned editorials. So not only is there one internal institutional line, between "news" and "editorial/opinion", that the public is supposed to be able to find on its...
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- Scott Rosenberg
How many Americans are more qualified to serve as The New York Times editorial page editor than Andrew Rosenthal? How many Americans are more qualifed to serve as The New York Times chairman of the board than Arthur Sulzberger Jr? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? Why would anyone take anything Andrew Rosenthal says seriously? If Rosenthal and Sulzberger penned blogs, would anyone read them?
- Sean McBride
I don't understand - is Jay defending them or not?
- Denise Young
No, I am not defending Andrew Rosenthal's statement about bloggers catching up to "us," the New York Times. I am simply asking why it is so hard to get across a simple factual statement. Here is it again, ready? Rosenthal is the editor of the editorial pages, the opinion section of the Times. He has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE REPORTERS OR THE REPORTING STAFF. And so his statement--which is well worth arguing about--does not apply to reporters at the New York Times. Too complicated?
- Jay Rosen
Thanks, Jay. But why should bloggers catch up to flack-activated stuff? Odd.
- Denise Young
Andrew Rosenthal and the decline and fall of The New York Times: topics: A.M. Rosenthal, Arthur Sulzberger Jr., David Brooks, ethnic cronyism, Iraq War, Judith Miller, Likud Zionism, mediocrity, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, NEPOTISM (make that caps), Thomas Friedman, William Kristol, William Safire. Put another way: Google: Brin/Page, meritocracy, competition, talent, success; The...
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- Sean McBride
Two facts that might be of interest: Arthur Sulzberger Jr. earned a B.A. in Political Science from Tufts University. Andrew Rosenthal earned a B.A. in American History from University of Denver. When they try to lecture leading-edge minds with doctorates from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Oxford and other leading universities on anything (including politics, and technology especially),...
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- Sean McBride
Thinking more about this, it seems that one mistake Andrew Rosenthal makes is this: He assumes that having a huge reputation as the brand name in authoritative and upper crust news CAN ONLY BE GOOD for truthtelling when this is not so. It can create a reluctance to go out a limb, a wiilingness to stay within bounds. Krugman has a Nobel Prize, another career, and an equally elite institution in Princeton to accredit him, so he is an exception. If Rosenthal recognized this, it would help him do his job.
- Jay Rosen
Given current technology trends, will The New York Times be offering anyone a job in the future (possibly the near future), not to mention a job to Andrew Rosenthal?
- Sean McBride
Perhaps the problem is with the fuzzy notion that in the nebulous world of opinion, one can reliably measure who is ahead of whom in matters that do not rest on fact, but, "in point of fact," upon the subjective core of informed discursive valuation, otherwise known as reasoned opinion.
- tom matrullo
I would be far more concerned if Rosenthal were arguing that the news awareness at the Times were "ahead" of others in the discursive universe. Any glance at the home page of the Times finds a jumble of motley, outdated, poorly thought-through, and under-contextualized snippets. The Times has failed to think what news is, let alone to race ahead of anyone else. But so long as he's merely taking on opinionaters, who really f'ing cares?
- tom matrullo
Oooh. Boundaries. That gets to the heart of it, methinks. It'd be fascinating to make an apples-to-apples comparison between an Ed Board's process and outcome on, say, the PPIP proposal and that of the econ bloggers (including The Krug). The latter is probably a lot less open participation- and idea-wise as we'd like to think, but still... Also, there's tremendous value in the messy, back-and-forth reasoning process that polished editorial end product simply can't capture.
- gnarlytrombone
A perfect example (from today) of why the best of the blogosphere is consistently well ahead of The New York Times on every conceivable issue of significance: Glenn Greenwald: Major scandal erupts involving Rep. Jane Harman, Alberto Gonzales and AIPAC http://www.salon.com/opinion... The Times is stumbling raggedly behind the big show.
- Sean McBride
As of this evening, there is still not a single word about the Jane Harman story on the New York Times or Washington Post sites. On the other hand, the blogosphere, Friendfeed, Twitter, etc. have been buzzing with the story. Is it any wonder that these dinosaurs are losing mindshare at such a rapid clip? Who really pays much attention to them anymore, especially among thought and opinion leaders? They are timid, slow and stodgy, always trying to play catch up but never succeeding. Good riddance.
- Sean McBride
hear, hear, Sean. Off with their heads.
- Denise Young
Donald Graham and Fred Hiatt have ruined The Washington Post: "Times Fronts AIPAC Story That Washington Post Ignores" (M.J. Rosenberg) http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009... "Of course, this should be the Washington Post's story. On Congress and lobbies, the Post tends to dominate the turf, with the Times breathing down its neck....
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- Sean McBride
I would love to see Andrew Rosenthal make a useful contribution to this discussion (not just here on Friendfeed; anywhere) -- ain't gonna happen. He's not up to it.
- Sean McBride
RT @buzzflash: NYT Shows Why Print is Dying: Blogs beat it to number of waterboards and it didn't post Jane Harman bombshell until Tuesday!about 6 hours ago from Tweetie http://twitter.com/pixelsr...
- Sean McBride
re: #unfollowfriday Whoa, Leo, do we unfollow you too since U used the "O" name in yr last post? I am a tech who loves and follows your show and websites for years. My boyfriend was on your show. I hope you retract this one quickly as it is not like you. Some of these you will unfollow are your readers and viewers too. I will have a few tech questions to come later. But I had to say that, Hope you don't mind. Still love ya.
- Cher A
I don't understand why so many people like him either? Hes a little punkass.
- Tom
Even if you were following me, it would be worth loosing 1 follower to post "CNN declares Ashton Kutcher: The World's Biggest Twit". Finally, we have it from a respected source.
- Jeff Fischbach
[HAL] : I'm sorry Leo. I'm afraid I can't let you do that.
- dpurrington
How about adding Fail Whale to the list?
- tojfs7931
Will the follower contest between Kutcher/CNN and Oprah getting on twitter be remembered as the point at which twitter jumped the shark?
- Andy Bakun
Probably not andy, although many already are/have been - i don't think 'jumped the shark' is the right term for what's happening here... maybe it is...
- Chris Heath
Leo, your 'bromance' used "internets" this morning...do I smell a breakup?! Oooh controversy ensues. Great shows, love TWiT and the network.
- Michael Johnson
I'm thinking of unfollowing @aplusk at least because twitter has started to be more of a celebrity contest. Note: I followed him before this whole tweeteace thing.
- Howell Selburn
from BuddyFeed
Leo doesn't follow me anyway, so never mind.
- Morton Fox
following isn't your style anyway from what I can tell. If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes! So keep on leading and let the rest of us sniff you butt on the path to success! I for one will happily sniff, but no licking will be done (for free, anyway....)
- Morgan
Brian: it is the dream of every entrepreneur to be featured on the Oprah show. Congrats to @ev and team.
- Robert Scoble
You are joking -- I think people that dream that need a life adjustment or a whack on the side of the head.
- Brian Sullivan
Having celebrities promote the crap out of your company is a blessing, if I was ev I would be extremely grateful; I'm sure stockholders couldn't be happier, I know I would be. However, from a holistic social media perspective — I'm absolutely turned off by what has become of this. With 500k+ followers, I wish celebrities were leveraging their pre-established attention for social good, but it's mostly consisted of ego-centric tweets. Hopefully Opera sets an example, I suspect she will.
- Colin Anawaty
Indeed - if things like this go well, maybe Oprah will have her own "Tech Club" eventually.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Kutcher finall reaches a million followers LOL
- Rich White
If Oprah mentions twitter, but twitter.com doesn't load, does it matter?
- Daniel Sims
I guess we will be seeing alot of failwhales then?
- Per
In short we can expect multiple fail whales... hmmm
- | Balu |
So, we can always talk about @oprah somewhere on the Internet. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Did @ev mention @oprah? Or is that your insertion, Robert? His last Tweet omits that detail... unless he deleted or edited it!
- Ryan
Ryan: he didn't, but everyone knows that tomorrow is Oprah day on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I just saw that ashton kutcher (@aplusk) has almost a million followers. I bet that anyone @oprah follows will see similar numbers.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel: Oprah will see similar numbers within a week. She's way more powerful than CNN or Ashton. Plus, most of Ashton's followers came from Twitter's recommended follower list.
- Robert Scoble
I love the live friend feed beta thingy! This is my first time checking it out....Suh-weet! I can't help but believe that @oprah will have a broad and sweeping changes on twitter demographics :(
- Jonny Clean
Checked out twitter.com/Oprah just now - zero Tweets with more than 28K followers :-)
- Ashu Joshi
Interesting to see if she starts to tweet regularly. Congrats @ev!
- Rick Bucich
It is a big day. The complaint I most hear from people asking me about twitter is "what do I do with it?" The celebrity influence, news media coverage, etc shows that there is something to listen to on Twitter and not just what people are eating today
- Kevin Kuphal
I wonder if Oprah will really Tweet links and info herself - or leave it up to a "Ghost Tweeter" - either way, it will be great for her nonprofit orgs.' online exposure.
- Laurel LaFlamme
So, can Twitter really handle the onslaught of Oprahbots there will be once she mentions it? If the site becomes even more unstable than it is now over the coming weeks won't this turn people off? @Ev & @Biz may shoot themselves in the foot.
- Vaughn
It would be sooo interesting if we could accurately see how much stock is owned by precisely whom and when it was purchased. Who else notices when a particular site hits the big time? Remember when it happened to Google? All of the sudden newscasters were telling us to "google this" & "google that" & characters in movies & on television were doing the same. How many times did they ever mention Yahoo! this or Microsoft Live that? First is was MySpace, MySpace, MySpace and then Facebook. Hint: who owns media?
- Gail Gardner
Internet Strategist: sorry, but I was one of those people who always talked about Google. The others sucked and provably so. Same with MySpace vs. Facebook. Facebook is provably better than MySpace. Twitter is getting hype because brands can have a public entity far easier than on other social networks. Friendfeed will get a lot of hype over next year, just watch. Why? Because the influencers will figure out that search is where the money (and action) is.
- Robert Scoble
Have you forgotten the last scene/last shot in Forrest Gump?
- Karma Martell
Karma: why are you trying to use a movie, a fake one at that, to make a point?
- Robert Scoble
never mind- guess it was to right comment- the scroll speed needs some getting used to . :-)
- Karma Martell
Robert, all other search engines from the beginning of the www were bad and only Google search is worth talking about in the major media?
- Gail Gardner
Whether Facebook is better or not doesn't change the fact that for a long time the major media only talked about MySpace ALL the time and no other Social Networking sites. They only started talking about Facebook later (and stopped talking about MySpace) and now they may be moving on to Twitter. Haven't seen anything on FriendFeed yet.
- Gail Gardner
My point is that that movie was a commercial for Yahoo- a big movie industry hit - to Internet Strategist's remark about entertainment media pushing the Google, etc.
- Karma Martell
How old is that movie? Perhaps they pushed Yahoo before they started pushing Google?
- Gail Gardner
When I think of the major media I mean regular television (non-cable - the free kind with more commercials than shows) and movies. I have never seen you (Robert) on television but that doesn't mean you haven't been on it since I don't watch that much. The news has very little that is newsworthy these days and a lot that would fit better on Entertainment Tonight or some other similar show.
- Gail Gardner
Arrington threatened me if I take any photos or videos of the crunchpad. After seeing it I will buy three and put friendfeed on them for my new studio.
Him throwing out those "It might not happen" comments on the TechCrunch piece makes me worry. I would love to have one of these around for both the office and at home.
- Mike Flynn
how about crunchpad impressions in crunchy peanut butter? ;)
- bob phillips
Christopher: yes, it is fast enough for realime friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
The only downside I see is that it is a bit thicker than I would like.
- Robert Scoble
I want one for my living room so people don't need my computers to check their emails. I like the idea of having a cheap internet computer for guests.
- Andrew
crunchpad would be great for a variation of my tv/video concept piece. The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari... Instead of a rotating barber chair in a room full of video feeds, you could have walls covered with filtered feeds. Imagine Scoble fastened in the chair, without controls, slowly rotating through the feeds.
- bob phillips
Do you think I will manage to get one before leaving the bay at the end of the month? Or at least to see it? :)
- Federico [Kurai]
@Scoble How thick is it? Hard to tell from the photos.
- Mike Flynn
Rodfather: the prototypes work great.
- Robert Scoble
break the embargo! unless it was a physical violence threat... O_O
- Alejandro
Was it heavy? Big battery? Compared to a 2lb device.
- Rodfather
Rodfather: it is slightly less than 2 lbs with battery. The engineer who is building them says production units should be lighter.
- Robert Scoble
@jasoncalacanis has a picture, is that the latest ?
- Ranjith Antony
Boris 'The Blade' Yurinov: [referring to Tommy's gun] Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.
- shayne catrett
Why do I want someone to break an embargo on this? Gee, let me think....
- Bwana ☠
I'd pay $200 more if they added a Wacom/Ntrig digitizer along with the capacitive touch screen.
- Rodfather
Rodfather check out this video http://qik.com/video/1429553 in which Michael Arrington gives a price of $150. It's near the end. Is he talking about the CrunchPad? You be the judge. There are also shots of the CrunchPad.
- Loren Heiny
The threats are rich coming from a guy who broke the FriendFeed Beta embargo an hour early just to get the scoop!
- Paul Jacobson
$150 with a nice profit? We'll see. Looking at Steve's guesses on specs and price, it's looking a bit more. http://www.umpcportal.com/2009.... I don't know how much individual components cost but would like to know how much a 12" capacitive touch screen is.
- Rodfather
Developers/engineers always underestimate what a hardware product costs (wishful thinking or deliberate misinformation?). The parts costs may be $150-200 (but even then unlikely) but what about all those other little incidental things like transporation, money costs, packaging costs, marketing costs and god knows what else?
- Brian Sullivan
I'm guessing VPN and remote desktop (or logmein.com) are outside of the scope of the device?
- a runcible MiniMage
There is no embargo. The people behind this gave a "state of the union" here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009.... It's at the prototype stage, no investors, no business plan. Not to say they won't get this, but it's still early.
- Stan Scott
Just had a look at the crunchpad article. Scratching my head on it, but I think it would win me over if it could be used also for graphics purposes...stylus preferably...so can it do that as well?
- George Hall (Australia)
CrunchPad would be great for watching movies and hulu
- Christian Burns
It's too early for something like this to work considering they will cost >$500 a pop.
- iTad
Sounds like some people are thinking of using CrunchPads as generic PCs. That's fine if the cost and weight can be kept down. If not, I'd say keep iterating on the concept to see if a netbook or kindle priced device can be developed. Without any of these, the experience is going to need to be quite compelling.
- Loren Heiny
Nicholas - I meant to say, I will believe it when I see a devise, as feature rich as this, on sale for less than $150. When did lawyers start designing hardware? I missed that :)
- Jim Connolly
What I would love to see in ANY tablet but especially in this one is a decent artwork program. PocketPC's and Palm handhelds were always great to draw with, but were on ridiculous-sized screens. I'm surprised no one has thought to market a tablet computer as an art tool.
- George Hall (Australia)
Thank you all *so* much! You're all so awesome!!!
- David Cook
from fftogo
This is nice to see...a great reminder that no matter how bad things get with the economy, etc., life indeed goes on. :) Congratulations and many blessings!
- Dawn
I always thought he was saying something else; after all, the context of the song is not about listening to or playing funk. However, they played it on the radio; either it truly WAS funk, or all the censors believed what they were told.
- a runcible MiniMage
Behind the scenes videos about how big scalable sites are architected.
- Henning
What is Building43? A community of people who are fanatical about the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Collaborative projects like layertennis.com
- Andrew Smith
I would like to see lesser known, successful start ups. Companies that flew under the radar, yet continue to bring in revenue.
- Bwana ☠
Image/video/music integration section. Throw a Flickr link in, vimeo, etc. Music links: Blip.fm, Last,fm, iLike, etc.
- mtlb
i'd like to see more about what makes great companies function. more on web companies culture. office tours, sit downs with regular employees...etc
- patrick
A Special area where user groups and events could be advertised for people fanatical about then net could meet off line. ie. a space to collect meetups, tweetups and barcamps.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Cutting edge technology, which is not available anywhere else. Current trends in web industry.
- Pavel Senko
Free parking, clean restrooms and windows where the grunt employees can see outside (well, that was what my favorite building had).
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Community - a place for coders, sysadmins, and others to share ideas, gather, and change the web. Something Web 2.0 that does this.
- Jesse Stay
But seriously, how about some new ways to use existing tools/resources/stuff?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
a better way to read the content not live
- Gerd saurer
Ability to publish podcasts & vodcasts via social networks (i.e. FriendFeed, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.).
- Paul Maez
But it'd be good if you can match the user experience of Area 51... sorry, can't resist joking about the Building43 name.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Focus on open source - release tools they are using internally as open source, build community around that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: open source is a big deal, agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Wendell: heheh, I'd love to do a building43 episode from area51. :-)
- Robert Scoble
A large nude statue of you out front in full hulk mode. :-)
- Todd Hoff
Robert, is Building43 gonna be a site? How can you beat FriendFeed in terms of usability? We're quite fanatical about internet here I think. I like the idea of community (certainly with you involved), but I don't believe in dedicated sites for them.
- Meryn Stol
Jesse: a place for coders and sys admins makes a lot of sense. How about http://www.stackoverflow.com ? That's a place to discuss code. I'd like something like that in building43.
- Robert Scoble
I like to see you and other prominent community members start discussions... Exchange expertise with each other. Maybe involve guys from http://highscalability.com/ . But I like to see it all on my main feed. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: highscalability is a great site, thanks.
- Robert Scoble
What I hope you can pull off is convince big brains to talk openly, in a casual manner, here on FriendFeed. Open to questions from people without this expertise. A bit like Digg is doing with its crowdsourced interviews. The more interactive the better. And the more "established" people, the better. Also if they are people we normally don't hear of, but play a big role behind the scenes. Rackspace is hosting quite some big sites I think. I wouldn't have a clue which ones though!
- Meryn Stol
Thought leadership around new IT organizational and operations models for emerging hyper scale, *2.0, and cloud computing companies...with focus on how legacy IT must evolve.
- dmcclure
I think a "skunk works" mentality in projects and a "camp" like environment where the conversation is both the leveraging of technologies and the development of new ideas would be fantastic.
- Tony
Nice toilets - so many buildings have crappy bathrooms - maybe a covered entrance in case it rains.
- Allen Stern
I think a geographically diverse orientation (less california centric) might be a goal
- Brian Sullivan
I would like to see a site without walls, a place that consumes mobility through text and video that is always learning that integrates your social networks with what you are discussing.
- Kevin Tunis
Scientist sharing their projects and promoting science to students
- T J Petta
I'd like to know more about the steps that companies take when they go from small/startup to a bigger small company. Not a true "medium" sized business, but a firmly established small company that isn't bootstrapping anymore. I find this to be a grossly overlooked area. Not enough resources for the mature startup, we're too focused on the new new thing. How about the successful "old" new thing?
- Chris Stevenson
More on evolving data center tech like virtualization, cloud-computing... what are other companies doing successfully to cut costs using new tech.
- Jericho
58 wildebeeste, 22 guinea fowls with wellington boots on and a triceratops. :-)
- Richard A.
Smart people who don't get exposure from leading blogs - and smart bloggers who don't get read.
- Louis Gray
SocialWebTV! Do you need me to be more specific? I'm in a meeting , but I can elaborate on it later. It's right up your alley Robert!
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
if every person on earth could add a message every second to the stream,what would that do? What if each of those messages was a vote on something. Is that a universal conscience?
- Tweet Feeds
Cutting edge stuff, not just web. Stuff that will bring the information in 'ambient' fashion to us when we want it. Tonchidot (remember them). IPTV, ambient information devices, mobile predictive information technologies. I want to see what is out there that is bringing us closer to the tech I saw in science fiction films a few decades ago.
- Andrew Leyden
Me, I want real rich desktop: iptv /many filtered search widgets, think netvibes on wheels / laptop cameras as live icons/ broadcast windows: post on twitter/fb and ff simultaneously/ - best
- pena schmidt
"FriendFeed is a *vastly* superior platform to Twitter. Both in terms of lifestreaming as well as the bigger piece of the pie, search. Try this. do a search for photography on Twitter: http://search.twitter.com/search... Now do a search for photography on FriendFeed with 5 likes are more: http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... Do you really need any more of a comparison between the two? Twitter will be an interesting place to follow the mundane lives of celebrities, sort of like myspace, but the more interesting community, content and discovery will take place at FriendFeed. It’s only a matter of time. The fact that Twitter was earlier and is larger today is about as relevant as the fact that Yahoo was earlier and larger than Google once upon a time long, long, ago."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
The funny thing, like Louis Gray just pointed out, is the fact that Twitter didn't even build it's own search and wouldn't be comparable to FriendFeed if it hadn't bought Summize.
- Mitch
This is a great opportunity for a side-by-side mashup, Thomas. User enters a search string, sees the Twitter results on one side, sees the FF beta results (with likes:5) on the other...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
gee, arrington. no surprise there. he's as sensationalistic as any other tired blowhad news medium out there. i don't get the appeal of people like him, but i sense it being similar as when people claim the sky is falling there's people who are quick to fall for it
- Cee Bee
Daniel someone should build a page that does side by side search results for terms on both FF and Twitter. I remember some old Google vs. Yahoo side by side search pages from way back when. Search on Twitter is a wreck compared to FF.
- Thomas Hawk
dumb question, how do I get my twitter subscriptions to post on FF?
- nrlaskey
It's great for tech savvy folks but everyone that I show pretty much says "Um thanks but no thanks" I feel that there are only a small percentage of people that want to streamline all of their social media. The average joe moves at a much slower pace and does not require the super aggregation. It's lost on them as to why the need it. The other thing is that it strips out the unique user experience of each social networking app that most people, including myself, appreciate.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Yet another TechCrunch headline designed for one thing ... and one thing only
- Charlie Anzman
@JP - why do we need to worry about FF being everything to everyone? It's amazing at what it does now for its current audience, and it's backed by successful millionaires with other world-class web apps to their credit. When people tell me they don't get FF I don't bend over backwards trying to force it on them.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
One thing that helps Twitter adoption is that there are a LOT of iPhone apps for Twitter, but only a handful of (good,free) iPhone apps for FriendFeed
- David McDonald
hmmm...I can get 'my' posts but not other I follow...is that because I am not public?
- nrlaskey
@jp, although unfortunately still not as appealing as twitter. At least ff works a lot better, though, and for a functional perspective the new set-out is quite good.
- Joe Bland
@Joe Bland I don't use the Twitter web app as the 3rd party apps are much better from a UI and features perspective. Not sure what that mean for their biz model though. Charge for the use of the API?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
The suggestion to search FF for the term photography with likes more than 5... I've never done that before, but it looks really slick in the new UI -- this suggestion may turn me around on the new UI.
- Andy Bakun
@JP Agreed the 3rd party apps are far better, but you need to install them on something, and cannot take them with you. One way I use ff is as an online twitter client.
- Joe Bland
I think more people will use FriendFeed eventually. This latest beta will probably help that along, since we can read all the discussions in realtime. There are a few limits to Twitter that FriendFeed overcomes, and it's good there's not the same 140-character limit. It just needs a few decent client programs and a chance to prove in a crunch like Twitter has. Give it time, it'll prove its worth.
- George Hall (Australia)
Actually, back in February, if I'd known as much as I know now, I'd have used FriendFeed more for piping out information on the Victorian Bushfires. FriendFeed's aggregation abilities would have helped keep all the information I had to work with in the one place, plus one wouldn't have had to contract everything into the space of that twitter limit. Twitter was good at the time, but now I'd have been using it to pipe things through to a more detailed Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
Just had a bit of a think about why Twitter is more used, even though FriendFeed is superior. At the moment, there's no equivalent as far as I can see of Twitter's public timeline, which is where most Twitter users start to see who's good to follow or subscribe to. One may actually get a clue from the discussions as to who to follow, but it's not quite as intuitive. Perhaps this is something FriendFeed can rectify soon. I'd venture a guess a public timeline would get more people using FF.
- George Hall (Australia)
An excellent suggestion from Thomas Hawk. Really; try it. "Try this. do a search for photography on Twitter: http://search.twitter.com/search... Now do a search for photography on FriendFeed with 5 likes are more: http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... Do you really need any more of a comparison between the two?"
- Alex Williams