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Alexander Kucera › Likes
Came over to FriendFeed since Twitter is down but all people seem to be talking about over here is Twitter. Sigh.
Hutch Carpenter, Andrew Fowler, (jeff)isageek and 13 other people liked this
we'll get over it.
- Joe Silence is not dead
That's par for the course. If Twitter's down for more than a couple days, we'll all be talking about FF.
- phil baumann
If it goes down again, you can still read people's "panic tweets" here: http://bit.ly/lA7HK
- Gus
Surprise surprise..
- Lester Greenberg
LOL aint it special!
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Maybe it is really a marketing ploy...
- Fossil Huntress
http://7.media.tumblr.com/57QK9Sv... o4yYvo1_500.jpg on vi.sualize.us - http://vi.sualize.us/view...
2ndmoon©, کرگدن, Alexander Kucera and 20 other people liked this
ceiling porn - http://deputy-dog.com/2009...
Shandiz, 2ndmoon©, کرگدن and 17 other people liked this
'm a big fan of ceilings and it never fails to amaze me how drastically they can change the appearance and atmosphere of a space yet at the same time be completely ignored by most of the room's occupants. it's incredible how some people live their lives looking either straight ahead or down at the ground, the only ceiling they ever notice being the one above the be
- Amir
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عجب سقفي داره معبد بهايي ها تو الينوي واقعن زيباس وديدني
- Amir
جغل ديدي؟
- Amir
ها دیدم زیبا و عجیب بید
- جغله
Thanks Amir, the photos are astonishing
- Tardid
Gadget Porn Alert: Palm Pre Calendar Demo (new) -sigh- http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Tyson Key, Rob Boek, Susan Beebe and 46 other people liked this
If the Pre works as fast in practice as it does in that demo--I am IN! I am sick of waiting on my (slow) iPhone all the time ( a geeky complaint perhaps--but true.)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
If the demo was of the data, I would have my doubts, but it's the calendar. I'm optimistic, since information is goign to be stored in the cloud as opposed to locally (like the iPhone). I can't WAIT.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
For me--the Calendar is a very big deal. Palm was always great at it--my biggest iPhone gripe has been the slow (local) calendar.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Did you see the accordion like motions? I like it more than uber scrolling like on the iPhone.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, agreed--Palm totally 'gets' calendars--and the whole PDA thing in general.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Jeez, I should hope so - they've been in the business forever haha! RIM should be worried, not Apple.
- Mona Nomura
yeah, thats pretty retarded stuff. love the dragging on the calender. nice improvement over iphone. this thing is really well thought out...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Dragging appointments on a palm device--a great feature that Palm has had for YEARS.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
LOVE that - makes life so much simpler. Right now I'm using Google calendar because I REFUSE to use MobileMe. GoogleCalendar (love Google) but the unintuitiveness makes me want to Hulk Smash my screen. And can you imagine? No more cables. No more synching. Omg, I am getting excited.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I love how ex-Apple employees are kicking Apple's ass in it's own game. These guys should start an Industrial Design school. They could teach the world a thing or two. Like I said earlier - http://is.gd/jF31 - Pre/Nova UI > iPhone UI.
- vijay
this really shows you what's the value of running multiple apps at the same time. The home button UI on the iphone sucks for multitasking.
- Davide D'Incau
Mona: when you say "since information is going to be stored in the cloud" where is it stored? At Palm? Your Google Calendar?
- Benjamin Golub
after watching this video it made me wonder why nobody has incorporated flight status into calendars? if we can bring in real time weather, why cant we check on flight status and make the necessary adjustments automatically?
- Chad Stoller
When that guy was typing "andr" I immediately thought of Android
- Alfredo
Benjamin: For the Pre, it would be Palm. @Chad - That is a very good question.
- Mona Nomura
While the Palm intrigues me, I'm more interested to see WebOS on a multitude of Palm devices. A Centro or Treo Pro-type device? A horizontal as opposed to portrait QWERTY? WebOS has some real potential behind it.
- Mike Nayyar
Exactly, Mike - I've been saying this from day one. I am excited for Nova, not inclusive to the Pre. If you look at Palm's job search site, they have tons of hardware related engineering opportunities - http://www.palm.com/us... I can't wait to see the next form factor!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
They could even put WebOS on a netbook and call it Foleo 2 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, idea: Asus is releasing a touchscreen EeePC, right? Put WebOS on that...whoo nelly.
- Mike Nayyar
I love the palm pre and I found a great Palm Pre porn site at http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com
- Suzie Pie
I'm a fan of both the Pre and iPhone, but note that part of the Pre's performance comes from the significantly faster CPU and more system RAM. They're the same specs the new iPhone runs, so they can both be quite snappy. That said, AnandTech did some real benchmarks and the Pre needs some optimization. The iPhone outclasses a bit in web surfing, but a LOT when it comes to app startup times.
- David Chartier
Confession: Never been a fan of Batman. I mean come on 'Batman'? His secret power? Turning into a bat? Nup. Flying? Nup. Posing? YES. Pff.
Nicholas James, Joe Pierce, vijay and 18 other people liked this
Next movie, Batman should rip off his face to reveal a T-1000 beneath
- Mo Kargas
O_o
- Derrick
LOL Timothy!
- Mo Kargas
[[[unlike]]] He appeals to people for the fact that he is just a man. Most of the plots revolve around his inner struggles as well as his conflicts with criminals
- Lindsey is Fierce!
The Dark Knight Returns kind of changed my views on Batman, and The Killing Joke about how far he could be pushed.
- Pete Delucchi
ROFL It's like you heard my daughter the other day, "I don't get Batman. He's not like a mutant or can do anything. He wears a costume. *I* can wear a costume." I told her to enjoy the magic.
- Anika
Lindsey, if I want to see wanky drama I'll watch Passions or Y&R. Batman, a superhero, needs kick arse powers or GTFO
- Mo Kargas
So Mr Movie Producer, I have two scripts: One is a story about a man hell bent on revenge, riddled with regret, trapped in suit that represents the best and worse of human kind, a suit that hurts all that he loves and will ultimately destroy his mind and his soul... The other is about a time travelling robot from the future with big explosions...
- Johnny Worthington
Say it ain't so, Mo; say it ain't so. :p Seriously, the point of Batman is that he doesn't have any powers except his human capabilities: intelligence, science, and athleticism (and incredible wealth, true, but that's a device to make it believable, to give him the resources for the science and the time to pursue it all). He stands as a sharp contrast to Superman, and that is why the together they are billed as the "World's Finest" in the crossovers (though I think Wonder Woman should be added).
- Neal Jansons
I'll be choosing the second one John :) @Neal, why even bother with the wanky suit then!
- Mo Kargas
Super powers or not, he could kick my ass. #bitchlips (And +10 Pete for the comic book stuff. The Killing Joke is no, uh joke.)
- Derrick
I love Batman's gadgets more than Batman!
- vijay
If the made the Killing Joke into a movie... errr... If it was possible to make it into a movie that wouldn't suck scrotum... Game Over!
- Johnny Worthington
@Mo Because, like Johny pointed out, the suit hyperbolizes the human condition. He is split between his anger and compassion, his darkness and his desire for justice and to help people. The suit is that of a villain that strikes fear, yet at the same time is a symbol of hope and justice for the oppressed. Comic books, at least some of them, possess all the elements of high literature, you just have to look. Batman is one of these.
- Neal Jansons
@Neal - A Robin Hood type figure?
- Mo Kargas
Now that's an interesting question :) Who *are* the literary predecessors of Batman? Or is he a unique 20th century postmodern creation?
- Victor Ganata
@Mo No, not really. He is kind of his own figure. All I suggest is read the Frank Miller Batman graphic novels. Because of the nature of comic characters being distributed over many eras and authors, it's hard for fans to explain the literary qualities to be found within them. You have to read a lot of Batman books to *get* Batman. Same thing with most of the best DC characters. Marvel is different.
- Neal Jansons
I'll take his money
- Josh Haley
Seriously, has there been any other superhero who has been reinterpreted in so many different ways?
- Victor Ganata
OMG serious? WTF is wrong with you?!! :)
- sofarsoShawn
@sofarsoshawn That's a list for another time, on facebook or something :D
- Mo Kargas
LOL 25 things...
- sofarsoShawn
The Count of Monte Cristo, Zorro. There is a long tradition of the wronged aristocrat seeking revenge in disguise.
- Rob H.
This was one of the things that troubled me about watchmen, there didn't seem to be any point to the hawk guy being such a shameless batman ripoff.
- Richard Lawler
Batman's powers. Rich, dead parents.
- Joe Pierce
Richard, my understanding is that Alan Moore initially wanted to use known DC characters, but DC didn't want him to maim or kill any of them, so he created original characters based on known characters.
- Victor Ganata
I would like to point out that I only "like" this for the discussion that followed, not for the ridiculous assertion that Batman is anything other than the radest character ever created.
- Joshua Nunn
What? GTFO :D
- Mo Kargas
YOU GTFO! Batman is awesome. You just haven't tried liking him hard enough...
- Joshua Nunn
Can't turn into a bat...fail! FAIL!
- Mo Kargas
If we are going to pick on character names, shall we discuss the fact that the Doctor has never actually been to medical school? Oh yes, I went there.
- Joshua Nunn
Don't have to go to medical school to be a doctor. But when your name is BAT-MAN you are an amalgam between man and bat! FAIL!
- Mo Kargas
But "Awesome-crimefighter-who-has-ninja-skills-and-can-kick-your-ass-but-not-kill-you-and-can-even-beat-friggin-superman-when-he-needs-to-man" isn't as concise.
- Joshua Nunn
Sorry, another animated gif, but this is too funny… - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Tony, Besim Dönmez, tomit and 232 other people liked this
mal.
- Harun R. Demirbaş
i genuinely don't like animated gifs guys...but come on, this is hilarious..
- Zee.
newb
- Simon Wicks
i just love the way he claps before hand with such enthusiasm...then bang!
- Zee.
GEE! I remember that.
- Valley
lmfao.... OUCH!! what a dickhead!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Lol thanks Meric...
- Zee.
Is that Joey from Friends on the left?
- Simon Wicks
like and then hide... so I don't keep watching it. :)
- mikepk
did he win?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Just what _the hell_ was he hoping to do, and did he swallow anything .. like his tongue, or some teeth, perhaps? So many questions...
- Wayne Smallman
What is the white object comes out from his head?
- Alp
Funny, but it's a good thing FF is real-time now, so this GIF will soon disappear from view.
- Grey Drane
Classic clip from 'So You Think You Can Dance'. Good times.
- Quinton
unless people keep post on it ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
you can just hide it of course Grey
- Zee.
ouch
- Nathan Chase
OUCH!!!
- YoYo_P
If i remember correctly, the dude got back up and continued dancing.
- Valley
can't stop watching.
- Jim Hearts FF
Make it go away !!!
- Dave Ploch
hide guys hide!
- Zee.
ups..
- Taylan GERDAN (Tylolhot)
Painful.. for him and for us to watch - especially in a continuous loop. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
funny tho
- Rob Sellen :o)
oh my word that hurts
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Offff...
- Burak Budak
I'm not sure funny is the word.....
- elroy
definition of: "face-plant"
- .LAG liked that
its not funny :( pitty
- ♪♫ halil ♪♫
His altimeter is on the fritz.
- KyleHase
This could be a good analogy for the new FF look. based on all the howling that has been going on. uh AKA Face Feed :D
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
This guy is somewhere trying to live this down. It ain't happening soon.
- Valley
omg that's horrific
- stanleyyork
OUCH ... what was that bounced off the floor ..
- johnpiercy
its on his head... a hat?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Least he got straight back up and carried on! Props to him.
- Simon Wicks
What happened to him?
- Yalçın Erdemir
Oops
- Vicey
well done
- Opensource Obscure
OUCH.
- Ron Bailey
My guess is that he had never actually tried to do that flip before. He was just so full of himself he figured he could. Looks easy, right?
- Internet's Tad
ROFL I mean I'm really ROFLing right now
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
After watching the full video, I'm not sure he had ever tried to dance before. His facial expressions look totally pained.
- Internet's Tad
Dude looks like Potsie.
- B. Hatin
I'm going to have to hide this as it is too painful a reminder of my own pathetic attempts at dancing...
- Andrew Leyden
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!
- Randy
OUCH!
- AJ Batac
omg
- Kate
What is that on his head? Was he wearing a yamukkah?
- Nicholas Kreidberg
LOL look at the judges faces!!!!
- Anthony Farrior
lol
- Filip Visnjic
ouch!! I can't stop watching this, lol!
- Gabe Diaz
Thanks, Meric. Salah is now my favorite word for today.
- Yolanda
Classic
- Bwana ☠
That was epic.
- Andru Edwards
wow! WE HAVE A WINNAH!
- vijay
That was the winner from "So You Think You Can SLAM Dance?" ;)
- Jericho
OUCH! The So You Think You Can Dance auditions are always good for at least a couple of these. :) I need to find out when that's starting up again...or I could just calculate based on how many more weeks of American Idol there are, I guess.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
omg. that's horrible. ouch.
- ♥patricia♥
lmao!!! knew that would pop up sometime!!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
gahh. how did that not break his neck? >.< gads
- Kamilah Gill
bet there is a dent on that floor....
- Rob Sellen :o)
WTF was he thinking about...gah
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
your ffeed is awesome...I guess pic would fit this! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I can't look away... but I keep cringing every time the face meets the floor.
- Joshua Schnell
"meet the floor" ??? wtf? his face gatecrashed the floor lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
yeeeeeha... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
:) Yeah, i think so Cagatay...there's a video link somewhere in the comments. He's safe and sound
- Zee.
OMG
- Jigar Mehta
ouch
- Matt Bebich
Already saw that thing... but still find it hilarious!
- François Lamontagne
This one kills me every time I see it http://jcunwired.enjoysthin.gs/33342
- jcunwired
I bet he couldn't do it again.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Makes it look like he never practiced at all! At least he'll get his 15 minutes of fame, though I'm imagining he didn't want that kind.
- Michael Turner
Trying to figure out how to get animated gifs in my feed so I can get rid of all those pesky followers.
- Hayes Haugen
Nothing better then an animated faceplant
- Will Higgins™
OW!
- imabonehead
we wondered when you would turn up and tell us what it was like "imabonehead" :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Really can't stop watching!
- Ninh Nguyen
...it still hurts to watch! poor guy.
- .LAG liked that
omg lmao should we laugh at this..............HELL YEAH LMFAO
- eric
Ouch... I couldn't laugh... Was he insured then?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Oooosshhh
- Moses Kpetigo
this is suicide.
- Çağdaş Ozan Akkoç
he fucked up
- Amir
It was not funny the first five times I saw it. Then I started to giggle. Now I can't stop watching it.
- Niklas Morberg
Was that a Yarmulkah or Keffiyah that fell off?
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
OUCH!!! How unfortunate!
- David Cook
can't stop watching it.. LMAO..
- Can Koklu
ouch ! :-/ do you know what happened after ? did he break his face? well... that would have been an appropriate move for "break" dance =P lol
- AyDi şeker
I hate watching these videos because I keep wondering what happened after, what was the damage!!.. Damn it there is no point in watching if you dont know the result.
- denizoktar
Hahaha. Oh my God.
- Nation Hahn
Oohh dear
- Moses Kpetigo
Just seeing this one makes me feel like I should spit teeth out :-o
- Seth Greenblatt
Just ran across the full video today. Looks like he walked away just fine: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hot DAwg .... We Have a Wiener
- johnpiercy
lol, this wont die.
- Zee.
d a m n
- Derrick
White People Cant Dance
- johnpiercy
BAM!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Boy, that looks painful.
- LaShea Miller
not the best to start off the morning, actually it is if behind the display :-D
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
that hurt me si i know he was a hurting
- Monique
Is that a yarmulke that flew off?
- Mattb4rd
Ok, finally laying down a comment on this on. To bookmark.
- Micah Wittman
Stealing this as we speak!!!
- Amani
alexxandra, Snipergirl, Mitchell Tsai and 322 other people liked this
HAHAHAHA
- Johnny Worthington
You guys, this image is SO huge! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
Lol
- Farzad
Ignore! :D
- MissSaghar
ترابلشوتینگ: to solve your problem you must shut down your computer and fuck yourself immedately!
- M∂hmood
eAHAoeuhAEOUAEhoaehoueaH
- MustaBR
رافائل هنگ کرد! :))))))))))))))
- M∂hmood
Like for saghar :D viva MicroSoft :D :D
- Farzad
They have those on Gilligan's Island.
- Trish R
amazing
- Marcos Vicente
This is one of my new favorites.
- Kevin Bondelli
i wonder what mona is like at a flea market - she probably finds the rare gems!
- Allen Stern
Too bad there isn't a StumbleUpon for flea markets.
- Kevin Bondelli
Allen: Will work for free food! ;)
- Mona Nomura
I want to randomly deploy this into a piece of software as an easter egg.
- Kevin Bondelli
aaaahhhh, windows.... hahahahha
- Melissa Maskevich
I made a Mac error pop-up to keep this one company. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kevin Bondelli
This *still* makes me laugh out loud lollll!!
- Mona Nomura
wow september? nice to see this again hehe
- Alfredo
As Carlos said, I am "crate digging" . . . my feed used to be so visual. I am finding ALL sorts of posts.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Oh shit that's funny!
- BEX
just laughed at this one again :)
- (jeff)isageek
Hehehe
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
from fftogo
lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fly, little butterfly, Fly!
- Martha
oh this must be at least thirty-seven years old. but still funny!
- Kirill Bolgarov
It can't be THAT old; it's done in XP look-and-feel...
- Karl Knechtel
Love it!
- Marcos Vicente
nice! I've never seen this one before.
- Phil Maxwell
- the f word
- Monique
Karl, that was a joke
- Kirill Bolgarov
XA x333
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Classy. \p/
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Had me LOL ... Literally.
- Charlie Anzman
:D:D
- Orçun İlbeyli aka Nucro
Lol
- yasin ghasemi
Sigma 200-500mm F2.8 EX DG lens - http://www.juzaphoto.com/eng...
Adval, David Foucher, yasin ghasemi and 27 other people liked this
Thx Ozer, great pics!! :)
- Harold Cabezas
Thanks, nice girl :P
- Alp
That's the biggest grenade launcher I have ever seen!!!
- Lokei Atikus™®
She's puuuuuurty ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Lokei - I think there is a bigger one in Killzone 2. Nice pictures though. :)
- Faraz Mullick
Agreed. Great selection of pics.
- Milton Ramirez
Happy to hear you liked it. :)
- Ozer Wrzl (EN)
funny, but useless :)
- getalifejerk
great pictures!
- Henk-Jan van der Klis
65 Very Creative and Funny Photoshopped Images - http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/inspira...
Kol Tregaskes, yasin ghasemi, Alexander Kucera and 15 other people liked this
Awesome! Worth1000 users are making a real digital art.
- Ozer Wrzl (EN)
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when gmail's creator comes out with something that replaces email for himself, it's worth paying attention http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Sardar Mohkim Khan, ianf ⌘ and 16 other people liked this
...this post completely lost my interest when it mentions "the company is comprised of Paul Buchheit (the creator of Gmail)". It's foolish to attribute GMail to one person and disrespectful to all the other engineers who have worked on the product...
- Alex Ksikes
Paul's message doesn't say that FF replaces email for him. FF replaces mailing lists (groups) for him. Big difference. It's nice to guess at the future and everything, but please...
- Daniel Dulitz
Alex, I didn't just say Paul.
- Eric Eldon
Daniel, "replaces email *in a specific context*" didn't fit into 140 characters. Sorry if this came across as hyperbole. If you take it that way, though, you're missing the point I was trying to communicate.
- Eric Eldon
Caught -- I was missing the point. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
OK message received. A little less wine and a little more tech in future TWiTs. I blame @theRealDvorak. No matter what it's always his fault
Beau Hebert, Marshall Bose, Kol Tregaskes and 77 other people liked this
Yea, just make it a new show! A wine/drunk show. I enjoyed watching.
- Ross Armer
New show: TWiB - This Week in Booze
- Edward Coffey
If you DO want to keep the wine flowing then you must get @garyvee on. Then you could talk tech and about the wine you are drinking.
- berchman
I wasn't that bad. Some of the conversation points you brought up with Lisa Bettany were interesting.
- Verbal
We CAN'T have Gary V on. The wine tasting segment is sponsored by his competitor - the other New Jersey Gary, http://garyswine.com/twitlive. (They don't buy TWiT - they buy the live segment just before but the impact extends into TWiT, I'm afraid.)
- Leo Laporte
While I do enjoy the Live show when I get the chance, the podcast version is where I get my TWiT mostly.
- Adi
I wouldn't have been annoyed if you guys hadn't talked over each other so much.
- Jeff Benner
I listened to the live feed via my iPhone. It was sureal, but yes, John C Dvorak.org/blog was to blame, he should have gone with the flow. Could not see that funky wine pourer though, better download the ODTV version
- Darryl Adams
it really wasn't as bad as all that. seriously.
- Thomas James
Start a new show: TWiG This Week in Grape. Or TWiJ This Week in Juice...
- Michael Kaiser
It was fine Leo. Variety is good. Maybe ballance with Dave Winer too. Really!
- Tom Hofstatter
maybe save the wine for "special" episodes? - TWiT has always been fun... some episodes are extra fun!
- John Slanina
TWIG This week in Grog (is grog an Australian term only?)
- Andy
No, I thought the show was great, Leo. Don't change a thing.
- Gregory Harbin
I didn't have an issue with it. Variety never hurts...
- Corey Marthaller
from Nambu
Ah... That would explain why I don't hear Gary's Wine ads on TWiT. Perhaps the wine show's could be TWiI-This Week In Inebriation. All told I look forward to TWiT every week Leo. Many Thanks.
- berchman
Thank you Leo. This week was too much. I do not like the direction the show is going. Glad to hear you will try to get back on track. And I don't mind the twitter stories. It is news after all.
- glenn frasier
The only thing I'd blame @theRealDvorak for is a relentless pursuit of an interesting conversation. Leo + John alone makes for a great cast. Keep the wine and @theRealDvorak, pepper in some real tech and it will be just like old times.
- Jeff Vilimek
Great show! Dvorak has a habit of closing some things down when it could flow a little more but would we have it any other way? You need to get the video out so people can see it in context. Perhaps your subconscious has already moved away from only audio
- Glenn Williams
I think the wine tasting at the front end makes it hard to start TWiT with any momentum. Maybe you can do the tasting after TWiT? I liked listening to the wine critique, it was something different - but it doesn't really mix with tech news.
- Melissa Good
I thought the show was fine- a little "lubrication" never hurts to keep the discussion flowing!
- Barry Wiseman
It just seemed like an early episode of Diggnation, which is great in its own right, it's just not TWiT. I think, with your open schedule, there's no problem in having yet another tech show, but one intentionally light-hearted and off-topic. Maybe with a gadget focus, rather than business news.
- ZacG
I thought it was fresh and edgy. Content was a little slow. Many weeks ago, I recall you throwing around ideas for viewers donations (like Steve Gibson's yabba dabba do). On the next TWiT I would get the tech stories done early and crack open the wine after you receive $1000 in donations from the viewers. Have a tally board showing the running donation totals :-) A bit of fun.
- Nathan Davies
I'm glad you took notice. The show was okay and still interesting, but I think the quality of the discussion diminishes in proportion to the wine. Maybe you could do a separate wine tasting show in addition to TWiT (as if you don't do enough shows already!)
- Phil Maxwell
I think the only problem was Dvorak and Shira. And the fact that one was trying to get the other drunk.
- Chip Duford
I thought you did a great job with the edit. Listening to it live, and then listening again to the proper podcast, made me realize even more that you know what the hell you are doing. Trust yourself.
- Dave VanderWall
I think it was less the wine and more the guests this time. I don't mind seeing you guys get a bit wacky, but if I'm going to be honest, Shira was just annoying. She talked over people, talked too fast, kept focusing on stuff that didn't matter or wasn't interesting, and just came across as self-important. Dvorak and Lisa were okay, but you just needed another tech-centric guest for the most part to keep things centered. Needs more Becky Worley, Molly Wood, Amber MacArthur, Veronica Belmont, etc.
- Staticharge
I agree with most. The guests were fine. The topics were fine. It's just that the wine takes the signal-to-noise ratio to a whole different level. And I felt that with some of the other recent episodes, not just this one.
- Steve Hampton
Do not know about CA about legal liability about serving alcohol and then letting people drive home intoxicated.
- Greg
You know, it wouldn't hurt to actually have a This Week in Social * show.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
kinda fun. a little wine loosens everyone up. of course Dvorak was responsible..he is, after all, the real enophile...will continue to listen and watch even more now!!--KW in Nevada City...
- kent williams
I think tha't what net at nite is for?
- americanm
That's true ... I think Shira definitely needed a ride to the airport.
- Chip Duford
While the show ideas are being thrown around, might as well suggest "This Week In Twitter"?!
- Jeff Vilimek
Jeff: They already have that. ;)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I've been thinking the same thing. Or like a 'This Week in Social Media' that way, the twitterstuff gets out of the system in a different forum...
- David Buttrick
And while we're critiquing the show...why apologize for talking about Twitter if it happens to be one of the biggest tech stories of the week? I think you do great job balancing the discussion, it just so happens that twitter has been at the top of the tech news quite a bit in the past year.
- Phil Maxwell
i dunno. i'd love a drunk show. axe TWiF and use the same cast for This week in Drunk. Sarah and Martin can watch old Hitchcock movies (or whatever) and drink drink drink. think MST3K plus wine.
- Mark Hartwell
@mhartwell maybe TWiFUBAR? j/k
- Phil Maxwell
I caught a replay and although not a "normal" TWiT show it was very enjoyable and as a discussion provided some very good insights into how people approach/deal with social media. You need to get some (silent) A/C thou. :)
- Techdribble
Now YOU'RE pandering?
- Brian Tristam Williams
I can totally get into drinking good wine and talking tech, so it was a hit with me.
- jcunwired
I like the wine and love the guest. Don't change based on a vocal minority.
- Shannon Carver
Damn You Steven Perez, er I mean Dvorak!
- Eric @ CS Techcast
And I have thoroughly enjoyed the last couple episodes. Me likes. Listened to them all front to back. What's that Audible link again ;) Keep on doing it.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I enjoyed the episode as well. If people want just news there's plenty of other 'casts out there, but I enjoy a little bit of personality and opinion in the show. And wine.
- Nathan Loehlein
It was a change of pace TWIT. No worries.
- Christian Anderson
I seriously don't think it was the wine, it was the combination of guests. Shira talks a mile a minute, plus you gave her alcohol. Dvorak kept refilling her glass, for the lulz I would say. When you had the wine tasting that included Brian Brushwood it was one of the best TWiTs in recent memory, and you ate fire. So either don't have Shira on, or don't let her drink.
- Matthew
If you like This Week in Wine, you should check out CS Rumcast. No, seriously.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Maybe create a new show, This Week in New Media or something of the sort. You offer a lot when it comes to commentary/advice on new media and its business implications, but I can see how some might not want that info constantly mixed in with their tech news. Also, it'd give you a legitimate outlet for twitter news. Dvorak wouldn't be able to complain any more :-)
- Doug Jones
Maybe if we do the wine tasting before TWiF instead of TWiT
- Jamez
Thanks Leo. If I want people getting drunk and cursing I will watch diggnation.
- Jim Williams
Let's get back to basics on TWiT, and cancel the wine tastings! - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
yep, feel like the rest of you. actually un-subscribed from twit a few weeks ago, right after the last drinking episode. this was a big decision since having followed twit from the very start. should i reconsider, or is twit becoming the least interersting show of the wonderful leoville channel?
- Peter Nõu
I listened live - they were all over the place - just listened to the edit - brilliant editing - they sounded almost coherent. Let's hope this is the very last wine tasting TWiT.
- Michael Ohajuru
Yeah! Lately TWIT has been getting less interesting with each new episode. It's sounding like a bunch of high tech good ole boys just getting together to shoot the shit and enjoy each other's company rather than trying to be an entertaining and informative show for the listeners. Too much small talk and fluff, not enough meat.
- Tokyo Dan
Don't know what the big deal was, I enjoyed this week's TWIT. I'd rather have a good lively discussion than listen to Calacanis yabber on about twitter for 20 mins.
- Paul Grav
I have liked the Twits after the wine tasting. I think the girls mellowed John. Leo don't change a thing.
- Ardith
It was interesting. Kinda like listening to Kup's Show in Chicago in the 70's. The tech part disappeared, but the interaction was great. Maybe a new netcast "This Week in Talk"...
- Timothy Magnuson
I have listened to most of the Twit group for a long time. Show 191 This week in Tech was the most HORRIBLE unlistenable thing I have ever heard! It started horrible so not sure it was the wine. What ever else you did please stop it! Normally I love these shows and would not miss a single show.
- Dirkbonesteel
90 minute long TWIT, 10 minutes of tech discussion. I don't mind the banter but these "in studio" episodes are just a party for Leo. Getting very close to replacing TWIT with audiobooks. Leo PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE no more "in studio" netcasts. Use Skype and try to keep it on topic for at least half the show. PLEASE
- Al Degutis
Ummmmmm.... after 191 free shows over a number of years (not including the entire TWiT network) that keeps 95% of you wanna-bes ahead of the curve when it comes to new technology, services and social media and some of you here are ready to throw it under the bus for one less than great show? Take a look at yourselves guys...
- Johnny Worthington
Personally, I liked the episode. I listen to TWIT to hear the banter and insight. Sometimes there is less insight then other times, but it is still entertaining. Leo, don't change because of what could be a vocal minority.
- Larry
Exactly, you can't please everyone.
- Chip Duford
A little chit-chat is good, but yeah, past a certain point it becomes less like listening to a podcast and more like eavesdropping.
- Butch Curry
Good to hear. I was worried I was being a buzzkill but I couldn't get through the last episode.
- Thom
As a recovering alcoholic, it's hard to listen/watch others drink it. I quit watching it about 2 weeks ago. I don't mind if you drink if you do it responsibly. What I've seen and heard in the last 2 weeks wasn't responsible. I know the signs. It wasn't pretty.
- Anita Pesola
You can blame him, but you CANT SPAM him!!! ;)
- Julien Bérubé
I love TWiT...this week not so much...but still love it! Only way to top it now is bring back Woz and Mitnick for next week.
- andsmi
I listened to the edited version, like normal, and I enjoyed most of it quite a lot. One of the things I adore about TWiT is the variability; some episodes are super serious and tech heavy, and others are chatty, silly and party-like. For me, the secret is Leo as ringleader, serious or silly.
- Bob M. Montgomery
there's a difference between wine tasting and wine drinking. You might want to focus more on the tasting and not opening so many bottles.
- jccalhoun
Maybe you could ask Gary's Wine if you could move the wine tasting to after TWiT?
- Crystal Tillman
Yeah, this isn't Diggnation. Lets have Dry TWiT.
- Andrew Leahey
It's your show, Leo. Have fun and lots of it. Otherwise you burn out, get tired of it, or retire from doing TWiT and we ALL lose out. There's a happy balance on both sides of this equation, no worries!
- Mike Lewis
I like the wine. Keep the wine.
- schwegler
very glad you can't have GaryV on - can't stand him.
- Brian Conn
I still enjoyed it. Just keep the bottle away from John and you'll be fine :-)
- Keith Barrett
I got the feeling it wasn't a very heavy week in tech news anyway:-)
- Francine Hardaway
All the news that week was twitter (Oprah, Kutcher, King, unfollow blocking, etc), so you couldn't win anyway
- Keith Barrett
there was tech news but leo covered most of it on mbw, sn, ww (like pc sales, kindle drm, youtube premium content), and if he has that on twit, people will complain about overlap...
- Jayesh
Noooo, don't listen to the complaints Leo. If I want hardcore tech news, I'll go read Slashdot or Wired or CNET... but I listen to TWiT for the entertainment. The best episodes happen when you get the right chemistry in the room (and via Skype) that hilarity as well as thought provoking discussion come naturally... thus I quite enjoyed 191. It was like Diggnation, but with wine and a hammered Dvorak (that's GOLD Jerry, GOLD!). Stick with the stories you want to discuss and go with the flow!
- Kristian
Leo, you don't need to change the show. I think of TWiT as a dinner party with fellow members of the tech community. Some of the conversation will be about tech and some will be random conversation. It's all good.
- archaictree
I liked it, too much tech is boring
- Adrian
No don't worry about it, it always keeps it interesting.
- Kelby
If you want to have a random collection of folks sitting around tasting wine and talking about and/or avoiding talking about semi-technical news/social media topics, go for it. Seems like the issue might just be some folks in the audience are tuning in expecting something else more technical/directed.
- Ken Sheppardson
well when you assume, you know....
- Chris Heath
i've always thought (and leo said this on sunday) that twit was just friends getting together to relax and talk about the news of the week... and when there's not much news they can talk about twitter, or just ramble on about nothing... when people want to unsubscribe, well, that's their prerogative
- Chris Heath
Painful just painful and Shira was killing me.. bring back Shwood
- K3ViN
I listen to TWIT for the conversation and the "vibe." I hang with my friends for the same reasons, not for news content. Don't let Dvorak change the personality of the show. If all he wants is news let him listen to Cranky Geeks.
- Hamilton Wallace
+1 @Hamilton Wallace
- Dominique Lemieux
I thought it was great, nice to see some variety, looked like everyone had a great time
- Gary Prechtel
Still a hell of a lot better than an hour and a half of recession talk. I dunno about other people but I like hearing people have fun.
- Chris Lawrence
Still love the show, but agreed: a little less wine would be good. Also, what about getting Bwana back on the show?
- Budak
The thing I like best about TWiT is every week it jumps the shark. I am always sad when the show is the same 2 weeks in a row.
- Michael Hansel
Ignoring Twitter news when it's the story of the week is a big mistake despite Dvorak's protestations.
- Gregg Scott
The only problem with the show as I saw it was wine that fine should have been accompanied by lamb chops marinated in rosemary, garlic and olive oil. But then, I was a sommelier once.
- jcunwired
Leo, Do what you need to do. However, the most recent "wine fortified" episodes of your podcasts have been MOST entertaining...
- Stan Augustyniewicz
this show and the last lost their focus real quick when the wine was being poured. People listen for Leo & his guests on tech news vs 99% twitter news. Ok.. Leo & Ev don't get along, point made. Lisa was 7/10 as a guest but can't contribute on tech news since mainly a photo blogger. Shira was a waste. High and mighty and she acted holier than thou with Dvorak and the others. She's a pretty face and a chic = ratings. Bring back the tech news and less eye candy + booze.
- david amodt
Big fan of wine. Especially with @theRealDvorak. Hopefully a bit of the juice can make him say something incriminating. (ie: moreso than usual.)
- Raj Singh
I've been a subscriber since #2 and I found this really fun. It's fun to listen to everyone loosen up a little.
- Travis
Leo and John...I love ya, but it sounded like 2 old guys trying to get a couple hot girls drunk. It was like Baby Boomer Diggnation. Lisa cracked me up though. She was in fact crankier than JCD. Shira(sp?) annoyed me talking over everyone, going on and on about nothing and name dropping.
- Jeff Lee
Even after all those booze and those ladies, Dvorak still couldn't say he likes Twitter. I've been a subscriber since the early days too and this was one of my favourites, but in the same breathe, my least favourite. I thought it was funny as hell, and I get some humour @Jeff Lee who thought you two sounded like you were trying to get a couple hot girls drunk. I THOUGHT THAT TOO!!! But, I know better. I also have to agree with Jeff when Shira kept talking over everyone
- Kyle Burton
Continued... I also think Shira was trying to lead the conversation and in some parts direct where things were going. At at least one point, I took notice that she was directing and overpowering Dvorak and cooling him down. For me, that was a big turnoff and I actually switched to a Brittany Spears song (my iPod got ram sacked by my ex). But once i cooled down, I picked up where I left off. Sorry for the rant, but thats the only thing I didn't like, the rest was awesome as always. Nice work Leo.
- Kyle Burton
I will take drinking Dvorak any day over Calacanus.
- BigMatt
I'm really happy with the increase in activity since releasing http://beta.friendfeed.com/ on Monday. The conversations have always been my favorite part of FriendFeed, and the new ui makes them even better.
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This sounds like such a "press-approved" statement Paul ;)
- Ana
Ana's comment was not "press-approved", however.
- Paul Buchheit
damn.
- MG Siegler
had the opposite initial impact than I imagined, perhaps the speed is what facilitates a lot more interaction to engage follow-up
- Lou Paglia
I agree, Paul. I've found myself engaging in conversations more since the Beta release.
- Alejandro
I was honestly skeptical. The first day of the beta was really crazy from my side as a mere user. It must have been a blur of coffee & Red Bull for the FF gang. But after 4 days I love it. I have probably interacted with FF more in the last week than in the last three months combined. Congratulations on one hell of a launch. I wish you all many sleep filled nights.
- Kevin D. White
Paul, there is option in old FF to import Twitter contacts & lots other options in 'Find & Invite', i dont see them in New FF. Have you removed them?
- Roshan Ramachandran
Roshan: we will be adding them to the beta.
- Benjamin Golub
Curious.. is this graph conversations per active user or total number of conversations?
- Bindu Reddy
FWIW, I have commented and liked more things in the last couple of days than before.. it was really distracting the 1st day but since than my feed has slowed down considerably
- Bindu Reddy
FF如此，我很欣慰~
- 阿石
虽然新版很多功能很不错，但是新版的版面看起来没旧版的舒服
- dokie
Hoping for more buzz so it keeps comin'! Great to see so many familiar names posting again
- Charlie Anzman
The new Friendfeed is pretty good. Congrats!
- fbrunel
The new FF is cool. Filters are my favorite!
- netvista
not actually, users just are testing this new interface before they are tired of it. keep watching. Would you like to release it again half of month later?
- Aether
WOW look at that graph!! That is some serious FF lovin' traffic - wooo hoooo!!!! Congrats! The beta is a hit!!! I love it, keep up the great work guys!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
I disagree... friendfeed has been so quiet lately i almost feel like.. http://beta.friendfeed.com/zee... just to get some attention!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
This app rules. And moves.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Maybe what we see are the discussions of new Beta Friendfeed? :)
- Alex Kapranoff
@kkapp Sure, this is just a buzz about FriendFeed Beta
- Roman Zolotarev
The key here is the "rising" slope of the *Replies* graph after the BETA launch. While the overall offset could be due to many reasons like old users logging back in to try the beta, launch hype, Scoble etc, the flat slope of the "likes" chart and the rising slope of the "replies" chart tells me we will continue to see increased *engagement* even when the excitement has worn off.
- vijay
ｃｏｏｌ
- carmenlu
Congratulations!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Is that the hockey stick Arrington was going on about in the Gillmor Gang discussion?
- Paul Jacobson
The Beta rocks and personally I noticed I am using FF a lot more since Monday
- Mathieu Ayel
superb implementation Paul can we please have stats for most LIKED content and people easy to find without having to leave the site?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, I'd say those stats are fine off site and on FFholic. We have Best of so that's fine for me.
- Kol Tregaskes
Initially I *hated* the redesign ... but it's grown on me quickly and I find myself being a little bit more *involved* than usual. ;)
- Brandon
I'm using FF more at the moment ... but not from beta. I'm using it more because Nambu of the iPhone supports it.
- Mr K
did you exclude all of the threads relating to the beta launch from your stats?
- Alex Gawley
@agawley good question :)
- Kemal Hadimli
I think a lot of the increase is actually about the new beta interface
- Waldemar Schott
As someone else suggested, can you redo the graph and remove the discussions about the beta for friendfeed
- LPH™ and his dog P™
good improvement.
- pastas9
Could this also be interpreted to mean the new interface makes us talk more to get the same point across, i.e. behave more like we're in a chat room, exchanging "hello's" and "bye's"? The giant Gillmor Gang thread on Monday was the first time on Friendfeed I felt like saying "bye" before "leaving" the room!
- Philipp Lenssen
not for me philipp, for someone w/ limited time to check in on ff i find i'm missing conversations more w/ the beta so not engaging as much - not ff's fault more an issue of my personal use case though...
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike, doesn't "best of day" still work the same? That's how I'm catching this conversation.
- Bruce Lewis
sure bruce that gives a good view of most popular or active conversations but the beauty of expanding lists is you can organize based on themes so the list proper give you recent and active and then when expanded you can drill down through individuals who may be less active - those are the conversations I feel I'm missing
- mike "glemak" dunn
FF needs some way to communicate 'comments' other than color, because the grey (?) color denoting second tier comments is too hard to read. Don't fight your colorblind users. The mere position of second-tier comments is enough to indicate that they are comments without blending them into the background by making the font color low-contrast with the white background. Put three American guys in a room and there is a 23% chance that one of them is going to not be able to read FF because of poor font color.
- A Mitchell
yes, definite improvements - keep up the GREAT work!!!
- Walter Yu
Paul: Do you have that same chart with a line for the number of entries created?
- Ken Sheppardson
I've noticed the increase in comments to recent posts, but I still get little or no response to comments I make to content that is even just a few days old. Are there email notifications when a thread becomes re-active or is it now all about bumping threads back to the top of the content owners stream?
- karl dotter
Summer Glau - http://thingsthatexciteme.tumblr.com/post...
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<333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Very graceful....and such a beautiful and elegant pose... <333
- Emma
indeed....the long lines and elegance of the pose...stunning <333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
From Angel to Firefly to everything she dose - poise and grace abounds. Even when she swallowed a bug.
- WorldofHiglet
Yup. I'll watch whatever she's in, just cuz she's in it. Doubleplus <333
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Gary, if you're watching this... - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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haha...
- Zee.
lol, did not expect that at all
- Chris Conway
hehe! i don't think he's gonna call her now after that... :D :o
- Internet's Tad
She can call me if she wants!! :-)
- Dave Winer
That was hilarious. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I was expecting her to say something about having an STD.
- Louie
@Dave .... Lol...She is a cutie though eh
- Zee.
Someone is a bit pissed... She is kinda cute though :)
- Michael Forian
Looking forward to seeing Gary in a Youtube video-response ;)
- Migger
OMG!
- ※Fu※
hahahahahahahaaa [Edit] Somebody wouldn't give her his telephone number?????
- Kamath (नमः)
I think an important element to this that isn't immediately obvious (if you don't click through) is that this is addressed to Gary Vaynerchuk of Wine Library TV, who has started to use a video as an email auto-responder: http://tv.winelibrary.com/garyvs-...
- Mark Trapp
This sniffs of a transparent Lonelygirl15 spoof to promote Gary's book, 'natch.
- joshua fouts
Yes, Vaynerchuk's video response to email is significant, and Andrew's dislike of same. I think the video is great, it may be Rocketboom 2.0.
- Dave Winer
I've fallen victim to Gary's auto email reply, with his video link, before. lol.
- Louie
lol
- Adri Munier
BWAHAHAHA!!! I love it.
- Aaron deMello
liz, message from gary: "please mail it to 586 Morris Avenue Springfield, New Jersey 07081 marked ATTN GARYV URGENT URGENT URGENT thanks will get back to you in two to three weeks"
- Deva Hazarika
lolz loved it!
- Triston McIntyre
lol
- xero
cuty :)
- Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe
from twhirl
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
- Robert Couture
from twhirl
funny...
- Tony
the lead up was a little long but it ended with a bang!
- Morgan
Liz, it's a great ending. too good.
- Sarah Austin
OMG LMAO. LOL
- ZOD
I was getting ready for "I'm pregnant" -- but this was good.
- MattJhsn
O_O O_O <_< >_> @_@ oh...... my.....
- Bwana ☠
She is adorable and that is hilarious! The Triscuit actually makes it funnier.
- Dave Tremel
She hasn't done any videos since :(
- Pat Hawks
Garyvee is a lucky guy.
- Dave Winer
Holy shit this is eight months old! LOL way to resurrect a dead thread! :)
- Adam Turetzky
A new design for FriendFeed at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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don't like
- Peter
cool，不过抄袭中国某个东西很严重，哈哈
- chenhui tan
谭总，咱们低调点，哈哈
- freebat
It's different alright... I like how the comments appear, but what if there's 100 comments and they're long?
- Tarmo Aidantausta
哈哈
- chenhui tan
it's nice and clean, the grey background should be lighter, not that dark, all the rest is fine for me. good work guys
- Dorian Tireli
I like new design. It better shows the original post, it is more readable. User icons instead of service icon also provide more information. Not sure about those colors and gray background - don't think they should be so vivid.
- Kirill Maximov
Where are groups? Gone? Sorry to hear your users can only comment on colors. Pretty shallow.
- Antonio Piccolboni
great, but real time as default on the home feed annoyed me into checking my email
- Amber, Random Time Lord
It isn't about featers. There are features enough. It's about look and feel. And that is worse in this beta.
- Peter
love it. live is great.
- Tobias W.
filters are great! abonnements should be separated (e.g. with a line) between the former rooms and the friends. And I would prefer knowing from which service the post comes since I don't read twitter feeds from people I follow on twitter.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
and the fly-over-window with the services one imports to FF should include the "unfollow" button as it was in the old version.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
I like the look and feel but miss the popular groups etc... there is no real way to track where the group "action" is that I have found and would hate to see a step back in the group area. Will there be something similar? Is there already and I can't find it?
- Allison
The biggest drawback of the new UI is that it facebookishly emphasizes *who* shared something. As I see it, FriendFeed is about *what* is being shared -- as opposed to other social networks, content is what usually sets the tone of discussion on FF, not sender. The angle is what makes a difference, and that angle is somehow changed in the new UI. New features are great.
- Ognjen Strpić
don't like. it's not friendfeed now, it's another thing
- Luca Di Ciaccio
I love it. Everyone is complaining that friendfeed is going too fast. Welcome to my world! Now, learn to use lists!
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yea not sure about this.. it's basically "real time view" with a better UI
- andy brudtkuhl
This is awesome! I need to start following more people NOW!
- Lise
I'm trying it based on your recommendation. So far, so good!
- Denise Polivy
Wow it moves real fast
- coze
It's like IRC now.
- Andrew Leyden
And there's always that Pause button up there to slow things down
- Craig Eddy
Can I drag people to lists yet? That'd make it easier to organize.
- Jordan Hofker
Hee hee, it's like being turned into a pinball!
- Mark Dykeman
too awesome
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
If it's too fast, you're too old.
- Justin Doub
Why use lists when the people I subscribe to are the ones I want to see? Only reason i have lists is to see specific people that I like to follow and catch up with at the end of the day. Kind of like RSS.
- CW™
no one likes change ,, change is inevitable ..
- johnpiercy
It's going to make HIDE much more important.
- Andrew Leyden
wow! this is crazy cool
- patrick
the list options create great filters.
- Peter van Teeseling
FriendFeed as the same potencial than Diigo and the same problem: not easy to use...
- António Teixeira
How dare you tell me how to use FriendFeed! (Except that you're right, of course; time to address my lists usage.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think that we have to introduce segmentation in our reading :) it is fun and exciting :)
- abdellah
I would like the icons back saying what type of service the post is from...possibly in the bottom right corner of the avatars.
- Paul Arterburn
My parents will hate how active the page is - the next generation, who go at the pace of Wall-E, will eat it up
- Christopher Galtenberg
haha, yeah I need to up my game in the lists - haven't had to use - but now I will. But I love it!
- Tony
That's dangerous. Lists require lots of thought, work, organization. If there's one thing we know from running Grazr, people do not want to do that (well most non-organization obsessed people). I think essentially forcing the use of lists is a big mistake for broader adoption.
- mikepk
I suspect people will trim their subscribe list, while they adjust
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Or the pause button!
- Paul Jacobson
so what's the first thing to do that's going to slow this down?
- Todd Jordan
I don't mind the speed, but I think there are more elegant things they could do with the UI during live updates (ie: fading to/from colors) and of course letting the user control speed of updates and UI effects.
- Ryan Stanley
when he name list, it mean filtering :)
- abdellah
Hmm... a few rooms (feeds now?) I created seem to be missing or just not easy to find. Will check out the tour to see if I'm missing something
- Dave Ferrick
the one problem with the speed is that what you are scanning suddenly jumps off the page. perhaps a way to "pin" what you are reading temporarily...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
woah neddy.....wouldn't tabs for search terms in the main page be a good idea...
- Paul Fabretti
Yikes, is there a pause button somewhere?
- Sally Church
This mega-threaded replies really do float to the top.
- Andrew Leyden
I guess your world sucks then.
- Brian Sullivan
I feel a bit like @scobleizer now.
- Mike Reynolds
pause button in upper right corner on blue strip.
- Thomas Hawk
+Joelle I think I'm benefiting by having relied on FOAF a lot more than subscribe to everyone interesting.
- Micah Wittman
pause top right ||
- Andrew Leyden
@Sally yes
- Ryan Stanley
Sally, Pause icon in top blue bar, right side.
- Micah Wittman
i think we'll get used to it. I already use lists, but still it's the motion of what you are reading that is tricky
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So is this just live in the BETA area or is it going live system wide today?
- Andrew Leyden
it's amazing to see the comments pooring in here.
- Peter van Teeseling
needs a keyboard shortcut for pause. Or a contextual gesture (like hovering over some part of a story). Having to scroll to the top to pause is clunky
- mikepk
Wow, the likes pop up fast!
- Steve Rubel
Weird when what you're reading wobbles because there are things going on above it - if the L&F remains, we can dub this the 'newquake' :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I worried that the new oh my god it refresh so fast kill the conversation in FF, I havn't to worry robert thread will be there as long or may be longer then ever
- abdellah
Andrew: just in beta area.
- Robert Scoble
Oh... the room I created is now under Subscriptions. Okay...
- Dave Ferrick
love your new avatar!!!!
- B.L. Ochman
wow, love the way the comments roll in...Robert, is your video up? good tips in it?
- Richard Binhammer
Pop Up!
- Jeff Stannard
I can't WAIT until the twitter-only crowd starts bitching about all of the friendfeed meta convos that are "cluttering up" their twitter streams
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
@Thomas, thank you, thank you! I was getting dizzy just trying to read anything. I hate the fugly UI and the RT speed. Going back to Twitter, at least one can read in peace at own pace there.
- Sally Church
Lists are the only way to fly, it seems. :)
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
The world is a river...
- Marcelo Nobrega
I use lists but for a completely different purpose.
- Brian Sullivan
Hey Scoble, which desktop client do you use for FF?
- David Alfaro
LISTS are the only sane way to manage FriendFeed. I've had to learn that once I past a 1,000 subscriptions
- Susan Beebe
what happened to the block button
- Russ Jackson
I want an RSS feed for a list
- Dave Ferrick
dave!! do you want to read your FF list in an rss reader?
- abdellah
It pays to be a newbie right now I guess. The speed is to slow. I actually appreciate it being slow right now, gives me a chance to better understand it
- Russ Jackson
Yeah, I have my list paused now. I think we will get used to it anyway. It is fun to watch so many different reactions in so little time.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Have to say -- the message threading is now very nice indeed. Love the automatic update of comments, too. As I typed this, a couple others came in and didn't disrupt. Sweetness. Now I need to learn about lists.
- Anthony Baker
This is really nice so far..liking the realtime comments -DMs are a great addition. Time for more exploration :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I said the same thing, but then everyone told me I gotta use Filters instead....
- Bwana ☠
Lists are king :) Also, just figured out that ROOMS ---> "FEED" - everything is a "feed" type now
- Susan Beebe
Your green aura frightens me, Mr.Grinch.
- Terence
As I'm one who thinks the quality of interaction went down when lists were added, being forced to make more lists doesn't seem a positive.
- Todd Hoff
I thought the whole point of FF was that you didn't have to "learn" a lot about the interface in order to enjoy the experience. Lists kinda ruined things for me, so if that's the only way to enjoy the new FF, I guess I won't be.
- Jennifer Dittrich
David: I am using Safari as my FF client. Jennifer: that's never been true. This is a lot easier to learn than the old interface.
- Robert Scoble
This will force me to better use lists...
- Seth Meranda
You are the Captain Ahab of social media, Robert. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Hehe really fastt :)
- Alp
The problem is using lists more actually decreases conversation IMHO. I dunno.....
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
There's also the pause button at the top of the page to stop the auto update.
- John F Morton
Yep, agreed. Learn to use lists, use filters, ya gotta learn that sooner or later. I had to do it in Facebook some time ago.
- Tom Parish
Do you have a formulas that you use for your lists?
- Ed Entrepreneur
The filters are only marginally useful. I don't see any way to filter stuff out of a feed. The options for searching/filtering seem just too basic to be any real use.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert, if this is how you've been following Friendfeed ever since you've started, you've become my personal hero. Either you have superpowers or you were born in Krypton.
- Jordi Soler
from twhirl
you need the pause button accessible from anywhere on the page. I'm 70 plus comments down on this conversation and the screen keeps pushing it down and makes the screen "jittery" to keep your eye on what you are reading. Because the screen is moving fast, you probably need 'comment' 'like' and 'hide' links on each nested conversation on anything over 30 comments
- Lou Paglia
now robert may we ask you to share with us some tip about list?!!
- abdellah
Brian: what would you like to see in filters?
- Robert Scoble
if you think the new FF is too fast, stop trying to follow Scoble's threads ;)
- Ryan Stanley
I'm gonna start on the lists :) Way too fast.
- Roberto Bonini
Any way to pause on an individual user's page?
- Aaron Fowler
abdellah: you need to build lists around interests and personality types. So "noisy jerks" go in one list "quilters" go in another "posts lots of bacon" goes in another "tech geeks" goes in another. Jordi: my life has been real time for more than a year now. This takes it to a new level, though.
- Robert Scoble
I would like to see negative searching for one thing -- I want to see everything that doesn't have LOLcats in it for example.
- Brian Sullivan
we need a keyboard shortcut for pause. Would help read comments, etc
- shaun mclane
We asked for ways to better track our discussions - and now we have an improved version (due to convenient link).
- Mike Reynolds
@Brian Sullivan search for cats -lolcats should eliminate them from your results
- Ryan
robert, I was thinking like hope that some will not screw the schema of filtering, notice that when we filter using keyword some will may probably try to target some keyword in their feed title .
- abdellah
Robert - yep - this definitely is not for the faint hearted. Must be on crack to use this! LOL
- Susan Beebe
It's an interesting interface. I'll be looking to see if conversations can still occur with this type of flow.
- AJ Kohn
Im curious Robert how many subscriptions do you show under your Subscriptions box. I have 9 and than 90 more.
- Russ Jackson
'welcome to my world' ha ha. i think with all the love the RS gives friendfeed on a regular basis it only made sense to improve it
- AJK
14221 more.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. I'm going to have to learn to make new feeds to keep using this. Also, I may have to do something to get rid of this light grey background.
- Ted Roden
Would you agree that after clicking on the more link there needs to be better organization of that page or can that be organized through lists as well.
- Russ Jackson
I need to be able to post updates from a list if they're going to be encouraging me to use lists.
- Jesse Stay
The lists/filters system is too complicated
- DarknessFalls
The problem is that lets say a video is shared, and I'm watching the video - the page keeps going down, and I can't finish watching the video inside FriendFeed! That's not sharing, is it?
- Daniel Brusilovsky
My problem is the lists and the filters create more feeds which create more need for more organization.
- Russ Jackson
@Daniel Good point. Perhaps they could open Videos (and similar stuff) in a modal window, allowing the content to scroll ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I think if they auto-pause the UI while I'm mousing over it that might help. It wouldn't need to pause long, just a few seconds.
- Matt Griffith
I don't foresee myself being a pioneer on the new FFeed, so hoping to see some interesting articles now that the embargo time has passed
- AJK
Just clicked pause for a minute but the counter for queued items doesn't show!
- Damian Holmes
Another suggestion on the new real-time updates. Give me keyboard shortcuts to pause the feed. Using my mouse is too slow in a fast-moving feed.
- Jesse Stay
There's alot to complain about FriendFeed and it's UI. Still has alot of problems to address.
- Chris Rodgers
+1 for Pause keyboard shortcut.
- Matt Griffith
Agreed.
- Russ Jackson
I think the number of comments went from zero to +100 in les then 45 minutes.
- Peter van Teeseling
Ryan -- the "-lolcats" search doesn't do that from what I can tell -- it returns an empty feed. I would also like to be able to search for posts having less than a certain number of likes/comments as well as more . I would like to be able to set up searches/feeds for complex expressions ("-lolcats and -loldogs" or "-lolcats and -loldogs" from a group of people with more than 10 likes and 0 comments for instance).
- Brian Sullivan
I Can only image a multi-column FF layout...
- Greg Lato
it will happen Greg... has to... would probably actually lessen the jitter effect
- Christopher Galtenberg
UI Tweaks, please: keyboard pause, pause button/key on every page with live updating, comment link at end of comments
- Aaron Fowler
I love how fast it is going. It's really real-time.
- Peter Kruit
Needs a "slow it down" toggle - maybe a slider for the speed?
- Jesse Stay
OMG! I see why you bought a separate monitor.
- LeighaB
or we have the option of ignoring ff just like twitter gets ignored when I tried to reciprocate even a portion of the followers
- Susan Reynolds
@Leigha: Yeah, I can definitely see the need for another monitor for this version of FF. I'm considering it myself.
- AJ Kohn
OK, Now I see how the lists work. Much easier to manage.
- LeighaB
FriendFeed should take that as a sign - you shouldn't *need* a second monitor to use their service.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse: I view this as a better way to access the data flow - which is what I believe FF is at the end of the day. Why not have a separate place to conduct my data queries while I do other things?
- AJ Kohn
@Brian The negative searches work, but you can't just search for "-lolcats". That's just a blank search. Try "cats -lolcats"
- Aaron Fowler
For Twitter, the only way I listen in is via search.twitter.com or pure luck. Or via FF for that matter. I view more Twitter content on FF than on Twitter itself.
- Mike Reynolds
Brian, yeah I badly want to filter out lolcats too; -cat friends:maverickny seems to work so far
- Sally Church
Yeah following 11.5k people is hard. I really need to use lists
- Nicholas James
Andrew Leyden is totally right. It's like IRC.
- Ian Betteridge
one of my favourite descriptions of twitter: "like IRC meets the whole world"
- Dean Whitbread
I'm sorry @scobleizer but your world must die ;)
- A.T.
I use lots of lists and filters - I'd love to TURN OFF the real-time updating, please.
- Bill Sodeman
I could use a tutorial on how to use lists but do not have the time anyway :o)
- David Gross
the new friendfeed filters are awesome. even better than friend lists.
- Mike Bruder
by the time i have made a list, this page would have vanished :)
- Tatty Gibson
I'm back home & trying to catch up with what's up with the new FriendFeed - I'm assuming it's now live?? Also, I'm not noticing things moving too fast... is that because I'm not following as many people as many of you???
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
ill admit friendfeed looks pretty damn compelling. certainly complex at first blush.
- doubledrat
how to use lists?
- kang
filter is really a cool thing
- kang
certainly faster than twitter right now---still down...
- ChaoSurfer
so...when there are a lot of comments...it's not easy to read...
- kang
many fail whales tonight
- Colin Clark
Moving people from out of my home feed to a different list one at a time is extremely slow. If there's a way to move people out of a list and into a different list in bulk, I haven't found it yet.
- Chuck Baggett
Is there any way to select almost everyone on your home list and move them to a different list in one operation? (Similar to how you can checkmark hundreds of messages in Gmail and perform an operation such as tagging or archiving on all of them at one time.)
- Chuck Baggett
http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ... http://friendfeed.com/?bc=1 ... F5 ...
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lol
- Deepak Singh
****ALL****NIGHT****LONG**** :P
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
"Don't stop, never stop, refreshing the page of the beta. It never gets me to drive, that much as hitting the F5, and with the funniest rage, I just want to play with the data."
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
lol!!!
- Jay
LOL
- Caroline
I'm in / Like sin / How's it been? / Full of win.
- Louis Gray
Ohh dear lord, FF Beta rap >.<
- Mo Kargas
Bring it, Mo.
- Louis Gray
You say you're bitter about Twitter, it's got no game, more of the same, so lay down the facts and play with Ajax, what's that you've missed... but rooms and lists... or best of day, so go and play, for what you need is more FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
;p One day, I'll try making a freestyle while browsing the feed page. Could be the best posts of the day rap summary kind of thing in some video montage of web pages scrolling hehehe. As weird as it sounds, I do have inspiration while browsing the page for some weird audio artistic impression from text-based suggestions.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
The Beta will be insane / FF will reign / FB does the same / Then it starts again
- Mo Kargas
(Mo.soul - 1)
- Mo Kargas
Rockin' out to the real time river / filtering out the Scobles with my semantic noise filter
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
/ Like a dance party in a thread / noth'in to dread / the UI goodness about to spread /
- Micah Wittman
*rocks big gold chain with F5 on*
- Mo Kargas
(To the tune of Mary Had A Little Lamb) Kevin had a UI plan / UI plan / UI plan / Kevin had a UI plan / that we are soon to know... Then he asked both Paul and Bret / Paul and Bret / Paul and Bret / Then he asked both Paul and Bret / and they said 'make it so'... Then they showed to just a few / Just a few / Just a few / Then they showed to just a few / but under embargo... So all we do is sit and wait / Sit and wait / Sit and wait / So all we do is sit and wait / For them to start the show :D
- Johnny Worthington
*doesn't know whether to build a statue for Johnny or slap him for that*
- Mo Kargas
++ 18 karat F5 bling & Mary Had A Little WIN WIN WIN
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
You do realize there are 8 hours and 48 minutes to go before the beta release?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@LPH yeah, but only if you don't have access to the beta wormhole. If you hit F5 at the exact precise moment that someone *likes* this comment, you are magically transported into the FF beta zone. Didn't you get the memo? :P
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@Brian: I tried that and saw a glimbse of pink theme, unicorns and rainbows..! Then it autorefreshed to this normal mode.
- Jemm
More like Command+R
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Nice! The thread went great! Hours have surely gone by, the arrival of its usage, now at our grasp, the ever growing steps to our waiting and tapping feet, never too late to have it at sight, how much time now has elapsed? Still enough to make me want it a.s.a.p. 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Haha.
- Nicholas James
No doubt. I woke up thinking about this today. Yes, it's that deep.
- Kamilah Gill
heh. dude, you need auto-reload.
- Richard Akerman
He can just load at 9am PST ;)
- Nicholas James
Too many expectations can kill the final thing. But I want to believe this is some smashing stuff. If it is better than FF 1.0 it's got to rock :)
- Carlos Lorenzo
*bump*
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
IT'S BETA TIME YO!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I'm in the matrix.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
The reason I don't go out very much is because after one beer I become a "hugger." And that's just awkward for everyone.
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Ok... who left the door wide open on that one? LoL.... I'm pretty sure you have like 250k+ dudes suddenly wanting to have a beer with you right now:)
- Richard Merritt
If everyone else is drunk, it's a-ok!
- Mike Nayyar
When's the next Rev 3 meetup?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Seriously, people are complaining about that?!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Barkeep! Another round, please.
- Greg
That settles it... I'm taking up drinking!
- Jason Wong
I will never refuse a hug from you :-), I
- Richard A.
Hows that a bad thing?
- Fee501st
LOL, could be a LOT worse! That sounds like a cover-up to me, really it's because you start singing loudly, start arguments over silly things, and end up talking utter crap...like everyone else, isn't it? :P
- Amy
Unless...you mean 'hugger' in the sense that you don't detach yourself from the person until you've hugged them for 10mins. Then...yeah, ok, that could be bad. :)
- Amy
Or it's because you're tweeting and friendfeeding away the whole night
- Richard A.
I heard Vijay say his friend starts to run around wherever he sees horizon. LOL :)
- Praveen Vasudev
lol
- Caroline
The first rule of working is that you don't quit your job until you have another job. It's always easier to find a job when you have one.
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I laid myself off once with no leads in sight. It was just time to move on.
- LogEx
There are rare exceptions to the rule, LE, but in general it's best to follow this rule. Those who don't tend to be out of work longer.
- Alex Scoble
Heheh, LE said: laid
- Derrick
What if you don't want another job? I quit mine last week but I don't want a new one. :P
- Rochelle
Rochelle - you do have one! You just work at home.
- Katy S
Rule #16: If you state a rule or axiom on friendfeed everyone will be only too happy to point out the exceptions to the rule or axiom.
- Alex Scoble
Katy, this is true. :)
- Rochelle
Alex, this is true. :)
- Rochelle
Rochelle - I believe in recognizing the work that happens in the home!
- Katy S
Rule #17.1: They really aren't...honest.
- Alex Scoble
"I laid myself off once with no leads in sight" Haha
- Rodfather
Completely agree with this, Alex. It's much harder to get a job when out of work! That's be me next Friday. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
This is so true. There was a girl at my office that quit her job right after Christmas last year. She claimed that she wasn't getting enough experience & responsibilities and quit without any notice (and without any other job prospects lined up). My thought process was, "what kind of work experience do you expect to get by not working at all?"
- Maggie
agreed. Completely Agreed !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
Don't I know it. It's tough to find a job right now without having one in the first place.
- Mike Nayyar
Yeah, I really need to start looking for a better job while I have one and break this sucky cycle I'm in of getting let go after awhile and having no prospects. :-/
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Twitter Explains Their Selections for Default Suggested Users - http://www.centernetworks.com/twitter...
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"I made a bit of a stink but anyone who whines looks like a jerk."
- Robert Scoble
Liked for Robert's comment. I lost a lot of respect for Guy Kawasaki after he made a stink about the suggested user's list in one of his presentations.
- Brandon Mendelson
Just out of curiosity Brandon, why did you lose respect for him?
- Leo Laporte
Of course it's totally within their rights. But I think it was in their interest to do something more useful. Whole Foods? Really? Would they have 302,000 followers based on merit? ev is being disingenuous I think. This was really about a demonstration of a monetization strategy. (See what we can do for Whole Foods? Imagine what we can do for your brand!) If they wanted really useful suggestions they should have used Mr. Tweet.
- Leo Laporte
But, of course, it sounds like whining for me to say anything about it at all. So I won't. I'll just think it.
- Leo Laporte
Dave makes a really good point! Doing what serves the best interest of users is great but more importantly serving customers best interest is even more important. In this case, are these suggested user slots being paid for? Should they be? Just curious in the thoughts out there? I know its been mentioned but, what do you think?
- Jason Cronkhite
@Leo Can I be really honest? I felt, and I know this is an opinion formed solely from reading comments and websites and not knowing the specific individuals, that the Silicon Valley club didn't make the list and they had a fit about it. That's a gross generalization, and I do apologize for it, but the sniping comments about the list just come off as bitter. I'm a believer in the number of followers not mattering, so I guess I just don't understand the attitude.
- Brandon Mendelson
And one other point: I am not a business. I am not even close to being a celebrity. I'm just a guy fighting cancer and helping the homeless. I made the list. So the whole thing about businesses and celebrities only making the list? It's not totally true.
- Brandon Mendelson
I completely understand that Brandon. It's an awkward position for people like me and Scoble and Dave Winer to be in. I think we have legitimate reasons to criticize the process, but when we do so it looks like sour grapes. Follower counts matter not as some arbitrary competition, but because (until Feb 6) it was a measure of influence. Now they're meaningless to those in the know, but newspapers will still quote them. But, seriously, I'm long over it.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo I believe you and I respect your opinion. Thank you for the conversation. I've been meaning to share that for a while now.
- Brandon Mendelson
Leo: have you checked out Whole Foods' tweets? They actually engage with their followers quite a bit. People like that. I also noticed you and Scoble both use Friendfeed to post to your twitter accounts quite a bit. Perhaps that's getting you caught by their filters. Just a thought.
- Nathan Johns
Absolutely, Dave. I would never want to be on the suggested list. The followers I have, found me and followed me due to actual interest. I value them far more than the hundreds of thousands of automatic follows the suggested list would generate. Frankly if it weren't for them I'd have abandoned Twitter long ago.
- Leo Laporte
OMG Leo you wrote a short novel! I for one found their silence on issues of purpose and profit suspect... and finally the other shoe drops. I suppose it's better than vague promises broken, but not really by much. I can get a lot out of twitter's community (or is it MY sub-graph?), but I could also do that on another service, with other users. Hey! Like FriendFeed!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Most of after I said I was done talking about it, too!
- Leo Laporte
I liked the part about how if you fill out your profile more completely you might be one of the 20 suggested users as well. Good point. I'll get right on that.
- Thomas Hawk
@Leo and @Robert I appreciate you candour over this issue. I ca see why Twitter are doing it however I suspect because it is human selected compared to a ranking algorithm like Google's it generates a suspicion as to motive and/or judgement.
- John Collis
Actually, it would be more useful if their "chief scientist" looked at localised content. To most of you, that list is localised content. But what about me, sitting in Malaysia? If I want to know where to get the best tofu steak in town, I'd likely get an answer from fellow Malaysians. The suggested users feature should think of locality too, not just celeb-status
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
The thing this taught me is that some entrepreneurs love you when you bring them users, but turn on you after they don't need you anymore. I've been told that Twitter's followers don't like me, which is why they removed me from the list. I'm cool with not being invited over to @biz's house for dinner. Twitter doesn't need early adopters anymore, is another thing I've heard. I'm cool with that too.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: that's a great way for such a list to work. Friendfeed's list, by the way, works pretty closely to that. It shows you the most popular ones of the friends you've already added. So if you only add friends in Malaysia chances are it'll suggest other Malaysian friends. This is why you never see Iranian's recommended to you on friendfeed (but if you add only Iranians, Iranians are all you'll see).
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I think there's a common thread here with your recent observations RE Facebook: Don't give your users too much power. That is, don't let them design your service by committee and don't let users with strong opinions about your service that may be counter to your own have too loud a voice on your service. In Twitter's case it extends to their developer community, e.g the 20K/hr API limits. You're welcome to build a client to send them traffic, but don't try to extract too much value from the system.
- Ken Sheppardson
Colin: friendfeed's list is here: http://friendfeed.com/setting... -- it has several differences from Twitter's list. For one, it includes a lot more than just 50 people. For two, it is different for every user and is based on who you follow. If you follow no one, this list will suggest no one. Follow one person, and you'll get the most popular people that one person follows. And so on.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: if that were true they wouldn't have put Mike Arrington on the suggested followers list. They know he has too much power over their PR, so they needed to include him on the list.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yup, you're right. And that's how Twitter's list should work - more "automated". All this localised stuff is in tune with what you mention with regards to Facebook as well. The way I see it, is that as long as I'm in any locality where I have friends on twitter or facebook or friendfeed, I should be able to get localised information, anywhere, with ease. Like when I'm in San...
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- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I didn't play footsie with Twitter (or as one blogger put it tonight, bring them cupcakes) and I kept recommending friendfeed, so they didn't want their new users to see that. Techcrunch doesn't do that, he just links to himself. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Colin: celebrities are why Twitter is getting so much hype. If I were them I'd be feeding the celebrity monster too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Does Mike do anything more than push TC's RSS feed there?
- Ken Sheppardson
It's all cool, I now have a job that doesn't require me to have any followers, or rely on a page-view advertising model, like many journalists require, so now I get to have fun on Twitter again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I really liked Sarah Lane's quote RE celebrities on Twitter from TWiT the other day: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ken Sheppardson
"I guess the early adopters who helped build Twitter now realize their work was to get Twitter to this point - the big'uns got it from here."... yeah, cause, that's worked so well in the past.
- Johnny Worthington
Ken: no. Which is why TechCrunch had fewer followers than me, Guy, or Leo before Twitter added TechCrunch to the suggested follower list.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: this weekend I got more traffic from friendfeed than from Twitter. You're onto something. It's not how many followers you have, it's how many will engage with you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah, I'd say TC's "power" is as a celebrity content provider. TC/Arrington aren't active users, nor have they been particularly critical of Twitter...other than piling on RE downtime. Recommending them isn't contrary to any sort of "don't let your users get too much power" philosophy. [Yeah, I know... I'm stretching the point.]
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: But most of the celebrities are people I don't care about. But then again, I'm not the average person, and Twitter's recommended users aren't exactly designed for me. I always thought Twitter was getting more popular because of it being more "mainstream" - being mentioned on TV like CNN and so forth (everytime I see a mention, in my limited TV watching time, I do get quite excited)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
BTW, anybody monitoring Allen's blood pressure, as most of the discussion generated by his post is attached to a Backtype-cross-posted comment by Robert to FriendFeed?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: you have a good point there. It's funny that Arrington himself warned me about investing so much time into Twitter. I'm not bitter, though. I have a great set of people I'm following that show me stuff before most other people see the patterns. And friendfeed is growing faster than Twitter did at this age in its life.
- Robert Scoble
And also, have we thought about the 'parents' factor. Any fad, and Twitter is a fad if you like it or not, is instantly killed when your parents start using it. I wonder how many people will actually use it once it stops becoming hip to do so. Anything that gets super big gets super lame shortly afterwards. Myspace anyone?
- Johnny Worthington
But it's the parents who are using Twitter already, Johnny: "Twitterers (a.k.a. Tweeters) are not primarily teens or college students as you might expect. In fact, in February the largest age group on Twitter was 35-49" -- http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsen...
- Ken Sheppardson
Johnny: Myspace got lame because its design wasn't nearly as nice as Facebook's. I don't think having your parents on something makes it lame. After all, that didn't make the web lame for me. Or you.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: I did find that funny that it's a small comment that started this whole conversation. Hopefully Allen will relax and enjoy that we all visited his blog today. Colin: you're not normal. Neither am I. Most people love celebrities. This is why there's so many magazines about them.
- Robert Scoble
You mean all those people who signed up after hearing about it on Ellen or CNN? Cross reference those with users who have logged in more than twice or has more than 5 updates and lets look at the numbers again.
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: shhhh, don't poke sticks at the normal people. They might start showing up here. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's true Robert, but in the real world, the idea of having some 16-28 yr old's every thought monitored by their parents is a intimidating factor. Oh and my Myspace comment was poorly made. Once Myspace got huge, the next 'cool' group was those people who hated on Myspace. So far we have only heard postive noises about Twitter from celebs because they don't want to seem lame. The second that trend bucks, welcome to lame town (I'm talking here about the 18-25 year olds here).
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: believe me, the 15 year olds know how to share their lives out of view of the parents. Even on Facebook or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
So do 28 year old bearded guys from Australia :P I have just spent the last couple of weeks thinking about social media from outside the bubble we tend to live in. I have spoken to people about Twitter, like my parents, my work friends, people who never use social media outside of Facebook. Being frank, Twitter gets a big 'meh'. I think there may be some over-hype here. Selling it for more than it is right now. Celeb power will only work some of the way, rich content filled interaction with friends has...
- Johnny Worthington
to be the mortar. Facebook has it already and not one of my friends feels like changing.
- Johnny Worthington
Twitter is wrong, terribly, awfully wrong, the first thing it should do is "see which of your facebook friends are on twitter", "which of your real life friends are on twitter". Why would following strangers encourage twitter use?
- Richard A.
Richard: if you give good advice like that you should charge for it. I used to give away advice like that and they never listened. In fact they hate me for it. But, seriously, you're right. Johnny: Twitter is getting hype because Celebrities can be public (like CNN, newspaper brands, etc) while on Facebook it's hard to be public (try to get more than 5,000 friends). That all is changing on Facebook and Facebook is also becoming nicer and more open as it ages while Twitter still is giving me error messages.
- Robert Scoble
Cause they have jumped the shark now. It's more about 'who famous is on Twitter' than a rich experience for their users. When your selling point goes from 'You' to 'Them'... *sigh*
- Johnny Worthington
And that's going to destroy twitter, how many people do you know still being conversation on twitter anymore? I deleted my account to try to find the genuine people, Turns out it was around 55 of my old followers. They actively tried to find me again :-)
- Richard A.
I don't get all of the complaining about the celebrity invasion on Twitter. Six months ago Leo Laporte and Kevin Rose were having silly contests to see who could accumulate the most followers. And people were obsessed with the top 100 on Twitterholic 2 years ago when there were *no* celebrities on Twitter http://www.centernetworks.com/twitter... I'm sorry, but this just sounds like sour grapes to me. If you don't like the celeb's just don't follow them.
- Mike Doeff
@RichardAzia: you make some good points about finding the genuine people out of a mass of Twitter followers. If you found 55 real people—not bots or Guy Kawasaki's ghost tweeters—how many followers did you have? I find it's about 20%. I feel Twitter's invaluable for professional/work-related social media interaction. I'm looking for new ideas and interesting people in my fields of interest to follow. I don't necessarily want to be their "friends," not initially, but am happy to interact and share ideas...
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Mike: it is sour grapes. But go beyond that and there is something there.
- Robert Scoble
For me, my real-life friends and family, whom I keep sequestered on FB, don't provide that kind of potential intellectual depth for me. I think both TT and FB serve distinct and useful purposes, and I'm more than happy to keep them separated. For me, a Twitter button that said 'find your FB friends' would be the last thing I'd want. Gotta keep the worlds separated. Just one opinion.
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.LAG: when I brought my Twitter friends into friendfeed I DID keep them separate. I put them into their own "list" (er, folder) here on friendfeed. Funny enough they provide me with far less value than the average friendfeed original poster.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's because they're active participants, rather than rss style users.
- Richard A.
that is the great thing about twitter, you can be somewhat anonymous, leading to more honest responses.
- andyb
Mike: if that's true, most users aren't using that control. They are going with the defaults. I can prove that by watching the numbers.
- Robert Scoble
andyb: that's total bullshit.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, if I laid down the foundation, built the walls and constructed the roof to your house then Joe Bloggs came along, screwed on the front door and put up a sign said 'Built By Joe Bloggs' I'd be pissed too... But more than that, know the saying 'don't forget your friends when you make it big'?
- Johnny Worthington
@Scoble: well your Twitter "value proposition" -- for lack of a better term -- is consistent with my experience. Only about 20% of the people I follow on TT deliver value for me. So my approach is to periodically clean my list and follow more. I have no problem doing that, because most, if not all, are not RL friends. I'd be hard pressed to do that on FB. I have a real social commitment to the folks I've connected with there.
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LAG: I get where you're coming from. But what's a real life friend? Please define.
- Robert Scoble
...and yes, my FF value percentage is much higher closer to 50% or more, because it's generally a more thoughtful community—perhaps the nature of the application requires it—and I think most of the people here are, in fact, people and not TweetLater autobots.
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LAG: that's because they aren't anonymous for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
...but back to the original premise of this thread, I do understand why some would be up in arms over the suggested users list. with so many new users coming into the service, being on that list has a lot of upside, and certainly profitmaking potential. for most of us, though, it does appear to be inside baseball. so be it.
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LAG: life is inside baseball to those who don't get it.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: early adopters invested thousands of hours of their lives in Twitter trying to build new businesses. Then the management comes along and says "we're going to make someone instantly above you in every list out there" and it is far beyond emotion. That's an attack on business prospects. Oh, and if you don't think that companies aren't making millions on Twitter, think again. I know a couple of businesses who are already making millions with their Twitter accounts.
- Robert Scoble
When money is involved, emotions run high.
- Robert Scoble
I just deleted my twitter account and feel liberated! You get much better thorough information following an OPML; Twtiter seems best utilized to subscribe to celebrity feeds: at least you get a good LOL
- sofarsoShawn
Two words (a name, actually) and you'll understand why I stopped scrolling through the suggested users list: Tony Robbins. . . Tony frakkin' Robbins! Sheesh. If anybody on that list wants me to follow them, I'll find them myself, or they can find me.
- Steve Lowe
people it's simple - if you read my post you will see - just bring them cupcakes and make a video - fluff them a lot in posts, or help them appear like important or be a founder or investor :) the truth is, they have forgotten all the people who made twitter -- i think this is the really interesting point to debate
- Allen Stern
Dave: it's amazing how many people are pissed off about this decision by Twitter but who will never say anything in public, too. I think that's even funnier because bloggers are supposed to be transparent about what they are thinking and feeling. I've learned that with stuff like this it's probably better to just stay quiet than to write what you really think. But that still doesn't stop me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Allen: bing!
- Robert Scoble
Dave: never underestimate the reach of a blogger or someone on friendfeed. :-) The CEO of Like.com told me he got on MSNBC because I wrote about him. So, do I have one reader or am I a gatekeeper for MSNBC? Hmmm. Or, when I quit Microsoft I told 15 people and in three days Waggener Edstrom estimated that I got 15 million media impressions. Word-of-mouth can have HUGE reach, even if you only think you have 15 readers. There's a LOT of journalists reading here on friendfeed with a LOT of reach.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble: This thread is long dead, I went to sleep shortly after my last post last night, but my definition of "real life friend" -- in an online context -- is someone I've actually met offline, face to face, and not just shook hands with, but spent enough time with that we'd recognize each other instantly next time we met, if not friends, at least friendly. one day, we'll meet. ;-)
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LAG: some people I've spent a lot of time with and I still have trouble remembering them, other people I've met for only a couple of minutes and I will always remember them. It's funny, though, everyone defines friends differently. By the way, I remember certain people, have had dinner with them, but I can assure you that they are not friends just because we recognize each other instantly. In fact, there are people I'd recognize instantly but who I'd see as enemies. Your definition falls apart there.
- Robert Scoble
...LOLz! true on recognizing some people instantly as enemies. we used to call those "negative friends." I'll amend my admittedly flaky definition to this: "...recognize instantly AND WARMLY!"
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Nintendo has shipped 50 million pieces of Wii hardware worldwide, making it the fastest selling hardware in gaming history.
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Any truth to Netflix coming to Wii?
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The loading from SD to Wii Memory is fast. I just moved all my WiiWare and Virtual Console games to a 2 GB SD card and load them from there now without worrying about the memory constraints.
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SDHC is not supposed to work on the Wii, only 2GB SD cards are the maximum. Has anything changed with this?
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Now if I could only find some good games to play on it.......
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FeedBlitz Launches FeedBurner Alternative for RSS Automation - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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And it's impossible to check it out without handing over a credit card. Not that I wouldn't be willing to pay, but FeedBurner is good enough right now. If FeedBlitz doesn't want to make it easy to test drive, I won't bother.
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Recession hits Stormtroopers too - http://thillythenny.tumblr.com/post...
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<censored>
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Sorry Mike ... Saw this Monday ... still workin' on it :)
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Post-teen? Well, I guess a lady of my age will take that as a compliment :)
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LOL Veronica!
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Oh, now I understand…
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I'm there, I see a blue screen....
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I don't get retweeted much cause I tend to use up all 140 characters. With me it's kind of a badge of honor. To use every one of the suckas.
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I'm a long-form twitterer as well
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Ah yes, but those of use who use FF to do our retweeting get around that with handy linkage sillyhead.
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A lot of times I end up having to trim mine back down to the 140 mark. Which ends up making my sentences look weird, but oh well.
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With only 140 characters to play with retweeting is like jamming a class into the corner of a classroom. No room to breathe. Claustrophobic.
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I don't do much retweeting. I try to bring links from outside the Twit-O-Sphere into it.
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its easier with a client, rt button auto copies the tweet unlike the web version of twitter.
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