If the Pre works as fast in practice as it does in that demo--I am IN! I am sick of waiting on my (slow) iPhone all the time ( a geeky complaint perhaps--but true.)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
If the demo was of the data, I would have my doubts, but it's the calendar. I'm optimistic, since information is goign to be stored in the cloud as opposed to locally (like the iPhone). I can't WAIT.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
For me--the Calendar is a very big deal. Palm was always great at it--my biggest iPhone gripe has been the slow (local) calendar.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Did you see the accordion like motions? I like it more than uber scrolling like on the iPhone.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, agreed--Palm totally 'gets' calendars--and the whole PDA thing in general.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Jeez, I should hope so - they've been in the business forever haha! RIM should be worried, not Apple.
- Mona Nomura
yeah, thats pretty retarded stuff. love the dragging on the calender. nice improvement over iphone. this thing is really well thought out...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Dragging appointments on a palm device--a great feature that Palm has had for YEARS.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
LOVE that - makes life so much simpler. Right now I'm using Google calendar because I REFUSE to use MobileMe. GoogleCalendar (love Google) but the unintuitiveness makes me want to Hulk Smash my screen. And can you imagine? No more cables. No more synching. Omg, I am getting excited.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I love how ex-Apple employees are kicking Apple's ass in it's own game. These guys should start an Industrial Design school. They could teach the world a thing or two. Like I said earlier - http://is.gd/jF31 - Pre/Nova UI > iPhone UI.
- vijay
this really shows you what's the value of running multiple apps at the same time. The home button UI on the iphone sucks for multitasking.
- Davide D'Incau
Mona: when you say "since information is going to be stored in the cloud" where is it stored? At Palm? Your Google Calendar?
- Benjamin Golub
after watching this video it made me wonder why nobody has incorporated flight status into calendars? if we can bring in real time weather, why cant we check on flight status and make the necessary adjustments automatically?
- Chad Stoller
When that guy was typing "andr" I immediately thought of Android
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Benjamin: For the Pre, it would be Palm. @Chad - That is a very good question.
- Mona Nomura
While the Palm intrigues me, I'm more interested to see WebOS on a multitude of Palm devices. A Centro or Treo Pro-type device? A horizontal as opposed to portrait QWERTY? WebOS has some real potential behind it.
- Mike Nayyar
Exactly, Mike - I've been saying this from day one. I am excited for Nova, not inclusive to the Pre. If you look at Palm's job search site, they have tons of hardware related engineering opportunities - http://www.palm.com/us... I can't wait to see the next form factor!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
They could even put WebOS on a netbook and call it Foleo 2 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, idea: Asus is releasing a touchscreen EeePC, right? Put WebOS on that...whoo nelly.
- Mike Nayyar
I'm a fan of both the Pre and iPhone, but note that part of the Pre's performance comes from the significantly faster CPU and more system RAM. They're the same specs the new iPhone runs, so they can both be quite snappy. That said, AnandTech did some real benchmarks and the Pre needs some optimization. The iPhone outclasses a bit in web surfing, but a LOT when it comes to app startup times.
- David Chartier
Just what _the hell_ was he hoping to do, and did he swallow anything .. like his tongue, or some teeth, perhaps? So many questions...
- Wayne Smallman
What is the white object comes out from his head?
- Alp
Funny, but it's a good thing FF is real-time now, so this GIF will soon disappear from view.
- Grey Drane
Classic clip from 'So You Think You Can Dance'. Good times.
- Quinton
That was the winner from "So You Think You Can SLAM Dance?" ;)
- Jericho
OUCH! The So You Think You Can Dance auditions are always good for at least a couple of these. :) I need to find out when that's starting up again...or I could just calculate based on how many more weeks of American Idol there are, I guess.
- Jandy
lmao!!! knew that would pop up sometime!!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Makes it look like he never practiced at all! At least he'll get his 15 minutes of fame, though I'm imagining he didn't want that kind.
- Michael Turner
Trying to figure out how to get animated gifs in my feed so I can get rid of all those pesky followers.
- Hayes Haugen
Nothing better then an animated faceplant
- Will Higgins™
I hate watching these videos because I keep wondering what happened after, what was the damage!!.. Damn it there is no point in watching if you dont know the result.
- denizoktar
...this post completely lost my interest when it mentions "the company is comprised of Paul Buchheit (the creator of Gmail)". It's foolish to attribute GMail to one person and disrespectful to all the other engineers who have worked on the product...
- Alex Ksikes
Paul's message doesn't say that FF replaces email for him. FF replaces mailing lists (groups) for him. Big difference. It's nice to guess at the future and everything, but please...
- Daniel Dulitz
Daniel, "replaces email *in a specific context*" didn't fit into 140 characters. Sorry if this came across as hyperbole. If you take it that way, though, you're missing the point I was trying to communicate.
- Eric Eldon
Caught -- I was missing the point. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
If you DO want to keep the wine flowing then you must get @garyvee on. Then you could talk tech and about the wine you are drinking.
- berchman
I wasn't that bad. Some of the conversation points you brought up with Lisa Bettany were interesting.
- Verbal
We CAN'T have Gary V on. The wine tasting segment is sponsored by his competitor - the other New Jersey Gary, http://garyswine.com/twitlive. (They don't buy TWiT - they buy the live segment just before but the impact extends into TWiT, I'm afraid.)
- Leo Laporte
While I do enjoy the Live show when I get the chance, the podcast version is where I get my TWiT mostly.
- Arawak
I wouldn't have been annoyed if you guys hadn't talked over each other so much.
- Jeff Benner
I listened to the live feed via my iPhone. It was sureal, but yes, John C Dvorak.org/blog was to blame, he should have gone with the flow. Could not see that funky wine pourer though, better download the ODTV version
- Darryl Adams
it really wasn't as bad as all that. seriously.
- Thomas James
Start a new show: TWiG This Week in Grape. Or TWiJ This Week in Juice...
- Michael Kaiser
It was fine Leo. Variety is good. Maybe ballance with Dave Winer too. Really!
- Tom Hofstatter
maybe save the wine for "special" episodes? - TWiT has always been fun... some episodes are extra fun!
- John Slanina
TWIG This week in Grog (is grog an Australian term only?)
- Andy
No, I thought the show was great, Leo. Don't change a thing.
- Gregory Harbin
I didn't have an issue with it. Variety never hurts...
- Corey Marthaller
from Nambu
Ah... That would explain why I don't hear Gary's Wine ads on TWiT. Perhaps the wine show's could be TWiI-This Week In Inebriation. All told I look forward to TWiT every week Leo. Many Thanks.
- berchman
Thank you Leo. This week was too much. I do not like the direction the show is going. Glad to hear you will try to get back on track. And I don't mind the twitter stories. It is news after all.
- glenn frasier
Maybe you could talk to Jason Calacanis and ask him to cut out the impressions.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
The only thing I'd blame @theRealDvorak for is a relentless pursuit of an interesting conversation. Leo + John alone makes for a great cast. Keep the wine and @theRealDvorak, pepper in some real tech and it will be just like old times.
- Jeff Vilimek
Great show! Dvorak has a habit of closing some things down when it could flow a little more but would we have it any other way? You need to get the video out so people can see it in context. Perhaps your subconscious has already moved away from only audio
- Glenn Williams
I think the wine tasting at the front end makes it hard to start TWiT with any momentum. Maybe you can do the tasting after TWiT? I liked listening to the wine critique, it was something different - but it doesn't really mix with tech news.
- Melissa Good
I thought the show was fine- a little "lubrication" never hurts to keep the discussion flowing!
- Barry Wiseman
It just seemed like an early episode of Diggnation, which is great in its own right, it's just not TWiT. I think, with your open schedule, there's no problem in having yet another tech show, but one intentionally light-hearted and off-topic. Maybe with a gadget focus, rather than business news.
- ZacG
I thought it was fresh and edgy. Content was a little slow. Many weeks ago, I recall you throwing around ideas for viewers donations (like Steve Gibson's yabba dabba do). On the next TWiT I would get the tech stories done early and crack open the wine after you receive $1000 in donations from the viewers. Have a tally board showing the running donation totals :-) A bit of fun.
- Nathan Davies
I'm glad you took notice. The show was okay and still interesting, but I think the quality of the discussion diminishes in proportion to the wine. Maybe you could do a separate wine tasting show in addition to TWiT (as if you don't do enough shows already!)
- Phil Maxwell
I think the only problem was Dvorak and Shira. And the fact that one was trying to get the other drunk.
- Chip Duford
I thought you did a great job with the edit. Listening to it live, and then listening again to the proper podcast, made me realize even more that you know what the hell you are doing. Trust yourself.
- Dave VanderWall
I think it was less the wine and more the guests this time. I don't mind seeing you guys get a bit wacky, but if I'm going to be honest, Shira was just annoying. She talked over people, talked too fast, kept focusing on stuff that didn't matter or wasn't interesting, and just came across as self-important. Dvorak and Lisa were okay, but you just needed another tech-centric guest for the most part to keep things centered. Needs more Becky Worley, Molly Wood, Amber MacArthur, Veronica Belmont, etc.
- Staticharge
I agree with most. The guests were fine. The topics were fine. It's just that the wine takes the signal-to-noise ratio to a whole different level. And I felt that with some of the other recent episodes, not just this one.
- Steve Hampton
Do not know about CA about legal liability about serving alcohol and then letting people drive home intoxicated.
- Greg
You know, it wouldn't hurt to actually have a This Week in Social * show.
- Chris Charabaruk
kinda fun. a little wine loosens everyone up. of course Dvorak was responsible..he is, after all, the real enophile...will continue to listen and watch even more now!!--KW in Nevada City...
- kent williams
I think tha't what net at nite is for?
- americanm
That's true ... I think Shira definitely needed a ride to the airport.
- Chip Duford
While the show ideas are being thrown around, might as well suggest "This Week In Twitter"?!
- Jeff Vilimek
I've been thinking the same thing. Or like a 'This Week in Social Media' that way, the twitterstuff gets out of the system in a different forum...
- David Buttrick
And while we're critiquing the show...why apologize for talking about Twitter if it happens to be one of the biggest tech stories of the week? I think you do great job balancing the discussion, it just so happens that twitter has been at the top of the tech news quite a bit in the past year.
- Phil Maxwell
i dunno. i'd love a drunk show. axe TWiF and use the same cast for This week in Drunk. Sarah and Martin can watch old Hitchcock movies (or whatever) and drink drink drink. think MST3K plus wine.
- Mark Hartwell
I caught a replay and although not a "normal" TWiT show it was very enjoyable and as a discussion provided some very good insights into how people approach/deal with social media. You need to get some (silent) A/C thou. :)
- Techdribble
And I have thoroughly enjoyed the last couple episodes. Me likes. Listened to them all front to back. What's that Audible link again ;) Keep on doing it.
- Eric - 100% Choice Cuts
I seriously don't think it was the wine, it was the combination of guests. Shira talks a mile a minute, plus you gave her alcohol. Dvorak kept refilling her glass, for the lulz I would say. When you had the wine tasting that included Brian Brushwood it was one of the best TWiTs in recent memory, and you ate fire. So either don't have Shira on, or don't let her drink.
- Matthew
If you like This Week in Wine, you should check out CS Rumcast. No, seriously.
- Eric - 100% Choice Cuts
Maybe create a new show, This Week in New Media or something of the sort. You offer a lot when it comes to commentary/advice on new media and its business implications, but I can see how some might not want that info constantly mixed in with their tech news. Also, it'd give you a legitimate outlet for twitter news. Dvorak wouldn't be able to complain any more :-)
- Doug Jones
Maybe if we do the wine tasting before TWiF instead of TWiT
- Jamez
Thanks Leo. If I want people getting drunk and cursing I will watch diggnation.
- Jim Williams
Let's get back to basics on TWiT, and cancel the wine tastings! - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
yep, feel like the rest of you. actually un-subscribed from twit a few weeks ago, right after the last drinking episode. this was a big decision since having followed twit from the very start. should i reconsider, or is twit becoming the least interersting show of the wonderful leoville channel?
- Peter Nõu
I listened live - they were all over the place - just listened to the edit - brilliant editing - they sounded almost coherent. Let's hope this is the very last wine tasting TWiT.
- Michael Ohajuru
Yeah! Lately TWIT has been getting less interesting with each new episode. It's sounding like a bunch of high tech good ole boys just getting together to shoot the shit and enjoy each other's company rather than trying to be an entertaining and informative show for the listeners. Too much small talk and fluff, not enough meat.
- Tokyo Dan
Don't know what the big deal was, I enjoyed this week's TWIT. I'd rather have a good lively discussion than listen to Calacanis yabber on about twitter for 20 mins.
- Paul Grav
I have liked the Twits after the wine tasting. I think the girls mellowed John. Leo don't change a thing.
- Ardith
It was interesting. Kinda like listening to Kup's Show in Chicago in the 70's. The tech part disappeared, but the interaction was great. Maybe a new netcast "This Week in Talk"...
- Timothy Magnuson
I have listened to most of the Twit group for a long time. Show 191 This week in Tech was the most HORRIBLE unlistenable thing I have ever heard! It started horrible so not sure it was the wine. What ever else you did please stop it! Normally I love these shows and would not miss a single show.
- Dirkbonesteel
90 minute long TWIT, 10 minutes of tech discussion. I don't mind the banter but these "in studio" episodes are just a party for Leo. Getting very close to replacing TWIT with audiobooks. Leo PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE no more "in studio" netcasts. Use Skype and try to keep it on topic for at least half the show. PLEASE
- Al Degutis
Ummmmmm.... after 191 free shows over a number of years (not including the entire TWiT network) that keeps 95% of you wanna-bes ahead of the curve when it comes to new technology, services and social media and some of you here are ready to throw it under the bus for one less than great show? Take a look at yourselves guys...
- Johnny
Personally, I liked the episode. I listen to TWIT to hear the banter and insight. Sometimes there is less insight then other times, but it is still entertaining. Leo, don't change because of what could be a vocal minority.
- Larry
A little chit-chat is good, but yeah, past a certain point it becomes less like listening to a podcast and more like eavesdropping.
- Butch Curry
Good to hear. I was worried I was being a buzzkill but I couldn't get through the last episode.
- Thom
As a recovering alcoholic, it's hard to listen/watch others drink it. I quit watching it about 2 weeks ago. I don't mind if you drink if you do it responsibly. What I've seen and heard in the last 2 weeks wasn't responsible. I know the signs. It wasn't pretty.
- Anita Pesola
You can blame him, but you CANT SPAM him!!! ;)
- Julien Bérubé
I love TWiT...this week not so much...but still love it! Only way to top it now is bring back Woz and Mitnick for next week.
- andsmi
I listened to the edited version, like normal, and I enjoyed most of it quite a lot. One of the things I adore about TWiT is the variability; some episodes are super serious and tech heavy, and others are chatty, silly and party-like. For me, the secret is Leo as ringleader, serious or silly.
- Bob M. Montgomery
there's a difference between wine tasting and wine drinking. You might want to focus more on the tasting and not opening so many bottles.
- jccalhoun
Yeah, this isn't Diggnation. Lets have Dry TWiT.
- Andrew Leahey
It's your show, Leo. Have fun and lots of it. Otherwise you burn out, get tired of it, or retire from doing TWiT and we ALL lose out. There's a happy balance on both sides of this equation, no worries!
- Mike Lewis
very glad you can't have GaryV on - can't stand him.
- Brian Conn
I still enjoyed it. Just keep the bottle away from John and you'll be fine :-)
- Keith Barrett
I got the feeling it wasn't a very heavy week in tech news anyway:-)
- Francine Hardaway
All the news that week was twitter (Oprah, Kutcher, King, unfollow blocking, etc), so you couldn't win anyway
- Keith Barrett
there was tech news but leo covered most of it on mbw, sn, ww (like pc sales, kindle drm, youtube premium content), and if he has that on twit, people will complain about overlap...
- Jayesh
Noooo, don't listen to the complaints Leo. If I want hardcore tech news, I'll go read Slashdot or Wired or CNET... but I listen to TWiT for the entertainment. The best episodes happen when you get the right chemistry in the room (and via Skype) that hilarity as well as thought provoking discussion come naturally... thus I quite enjoyed 191. It was like Diggnation, but with wine and a hammered Dvorak (that's GOLD Jerry, GOLD!). Stick with the stories you want to discuss and go with the flow!
- Doctor Grondo
Leo, you don't need to change the show. I think of TWiT as a dinner party with fellow members of the tech community. Some of the conversation will be about tech and some will be random conversation. It's all good.
- archaictree
No don't worry about it, it always keeps it interesting.
- Kelby
If you want to have a random collection of folks sitting around tasting wine and talking about and/or avoiding talking about semi-technical news/social media topics, go for it. Seems like the issue might just be some folks in the audience are tuning in expecting something else more technical/directed.
- Ken Sheppardson
i've always thought (and leo said this on sunday) that twit was just friends getting together to relax and talk about the news of the week... and when there's not much news they can talk about twitter, or just ramble on about nothing... when people want to unsubscribe, well, that's their prerogative
- Chris Heath
Painful just painful and Shira was killing me.. bring back Shwood
- K3ViN
I listen to TWIT for the conversation and the "vibe." I hang with my friends for the same reasons, not for news content. Don't let Dvorak change the personality of the show. If all he wants is news let him listen to Cranky Geeks.
- Hamilton Wallace
I thought it was great, nice to see some variety, looked like everyone had a great time
- Gary Prechtel
Still a hell of a lot better than an hour and a half of recession talk. I dunno about other people but I like hearing people have fun.
- Chris Lawrence
Still love the show, but agreed: a little less wine would be good. Also, what about getting Bwana back on the show?
- Budak
The thing I like best about TWiT is every week it jumps the shark. I am always sad when the show is the same 2 weeks in a row.
- Michael Hansel
Ignoring Twitter news when it's the story of the week is a big mistake despite Dvorak's protestations.
- Gregg Scott
Leo, Do what you need to do. However, the most recent "wine fortified" episodes of your podcasts have been MOST entertaining...
- Stan Augustyniewicz
this show and the last lost their focus real quick when the wine was being poured. People listen for Leo & his guests on tech news vs 99% twitter news. Ok.. Leo & Ev don't get along, point made. Lisa was 7/10 as a guest but can't contribute on tech news since mainly a photo blogger. Shira was a waste. High and mighty and she acted holier than thou with Dvorak and the others. She's a pretty face and a chic = ratings. Bring back the tech news and less eye candy + booze.
- david amodt
Big fan of wine. Especially with @theRealDvorak. Hopefully a bit of the juice can make him say something incriminating. (ie: moreso than usual.)
- Raj Singh
I've been a subscriber since #2 and I found this really fun. It's fun to listen to everyone loosen up a little.
- Travis
Leo and John...I love ya, but it sounded like 2 old guys trying to get a couple hot girls drunk. It was like Baby Boomer Diggnation. Lisa cracked me up though. She was in fact crankier than JCD. Shira(sp?) annoyed me talking over everyone, going on and on about nothing and name dropping.
- Jeff Lee
Even after all those booze and those ladies, Dvorak still couldn't say he likes Twitter. I've been a subscriber since the early days too and this was one of my favourites, but in the same breathe, my least favourite. I thought it was funny as hell, and I get some humour @Jeff Lee who thought you two sounded like you were trying to get a couple hot girls drunk. I THOUGHT THAT TOO!!! But, I know better. I also have to agree with Jeff when Shira kept talking over everyone
- Kyle Burton
Continued... I also think Shira was trying to lead the conversation and in some parts direct where things were going. At at least one point, I took notice that she was directing and overpowering Dvorak and cooling him down. For me, that was a big turnoff and I actually switched to a Brittany Spears song (my iPod got ram sacked by my ex). But once i cooled down, I picked up where I left off. Sorry for the rant, but thats the only thing I didn't like, the rest was awesome as always. Nice work Leo.
- Kyle Burton
I will take drinking Dvorak any day over Calacanus.
- BigMatt
I'm really happy with the increase in activity since releasing http://beta.friendfeed.com/ on Monday. The conversations have always been my favorite part of FriendFeed, and the new ui makes them even better.
had the opposite initial impact than I imagined, perhaps the speed is what facilitates a lot more interaction to engage follow-up
- Lou Paglia
I agree, Paul. I've found myself engaging in conversations more since the Beta release.
- Alejandro
Paul, there is option in old FF to import Twitter contacts & lots other options in 'Find & Invite', i dont see them in New FF. Have you removed them?
- Roshan Ramachandran
Roshan: we will be adding them to the beta.
- Benjamin Golub
Curious.. is this graph conversations per active user or total number of conversations?
- Bindu Reddy
FWIW, I have commented and liked more things in the last couple of days than before.. it was really distracting the 1st day but since than my feed has slowed down considerably
- Bindu Reddy
Hoping for more buzz so it keeps comin'! Great to see so many familiar names posting again
- Charlie Anzman
The new Friendfeed is pretty good. Congrats!
- fbrunel
The new FF is cool. Filters are my favorite!
- netvista
not actually, users just are testing this new interface before they are tired of it. keep watching. Would you like to release it again half of month later?
- Aether
WOW look at that graph!! That is some serious FF lovin' traffic - wooo hoooo!!!! Congrats! The beta is a hit!!! I love it, keep up the great work guys!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Maybe what we see are the discussions of new Beta Friendfeed? :)
- Alex Kapranoff
@kkapp Sure, this is just a buzz about FriendFeed Beta
- romanzolotarev
The key here is the "rising" slope of the *Replies* graph after the BETA launch. While the overall offset could be due to many reasons like old users logging back in to try the beta, launch hype, Scoble etc, the flat slope of the "likes" chart and the rising slope of the "replies" chart tells me we will continue to see increased *engagement* even when the excitement has worn off.
- vijay
Could this also be interpreted to mean the new interface makes us talk more to get the same point across, i.e. behave more like we're in a chat room, exchanging "hello's" and "bye's"? The giant Gillmor Gang thread on Monday was the first time on Friendfeed I felt like saying "bye" before "leaving" the room!
- Philipp Lenssen
not for me philipp, for someone w/ limited time to check in on ff i find i'm missing conversations more w/ the beta so not engaging as much - not ff's fault more an issue of my personal use case though...
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike, doesn't "best of day" still work the same? That's how I'm catching this conversation.
- Bruce Lewis
sure bruce that gives a good view of most popular or active conversations but the beauty of expanding lists is you can organize based on themes so the list proper give you recent and active and then when expanded you can drill down through individuals who may be less active - those are the conversations I feel I'm missing
- mike "glemak" dunn
FF needs some way to communicate 'comments' other than color, because the grey (?) color denoting second tier comments is too hard to read. Don't fight your colorblind users. The mere position of second-tier comments is enough to indicate that they are comments without blending them into the background by making the font color low-contrast with the white background. Put three American guys in a room and there is a 23% chance that one of them is going to not be able to read FF because of poor font color.
- A Mitchell
yes, definite improvements - keep up the GREAT work!!!
- Walter Yu
Paul: Do you have that same chart with a line for the number of entries created?
- Ken Sheppardson
I've noticed the increase in comments to recent posts, but I still get little or no response to comments I make to content that is even just a few days old. Are there email notifications when a thread becomes re-active or is it now all about bumping threads back to the top of the content owners stream?
- karl dotter
hahahahahahahaaa [Edit] Somebody wouldn't give her his telephone number?????
- The Fat Oracle
I think an important element to this that isn't immediately obvious (if you don't click through) is that this is addressed to Gary Vaynerchuk of Wine Library TV, who has started to use a video as an email auto-responder: http://tv.winelibrary.com/garyvs-...
- Mark Trapp
This sniffs of a transparent Lonelygirl15 spoof to promote Gary's book, 'natch.
- joshua fouts
Yes, Vaynerchuk's video response to email is significant, and Andrew's dislike of same. I think the video is great, it may be Rocketboom 2.0.
- Dave Winer
I've fallen victim to Gary's auto email reply, with his video link, before. lol.
- Louie
liz, message from gary: "please mail it to 586 Morris Avenue Springfield, New Jersey 07081 marked ATTN GARYV URGENT URGENT URGENT thanks will get back to you in two to three weeks"
- Deva Hazarika
it's nice and clean, the grey background should be lighter, not that dark, all the rest is fine for me. good work guys
- Dorian Tireli
I like new design. It better shows the original post, it is more readable. User icons instead of service icon also provide more information. Not sure about those colors and gray background - don't think they should be so vivid.
- Kirill Maximov
Where are groups? Gone? Sorry to hear your users can only comment on colors. Pretty shallow.
- Antonio Piccolboni
great, but real time as default on the home feed annoyed me into checking my email
- The Amber
It isn't about featers. There are features enough. It's about look and feel. And that is worse in this beta.
- ˈpɛbə
filters are great! abonnements should be separated (e.g. with a line) between the former rooms and the friends. And I would prefer knowing from which service the post comes since I don't read twitter feeds from people I follow on twitter.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
and the fly-over-window with the services one imports to FF should include the "unfollow" button as it was in the old version.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
I like the look and feel but miss the popular groups etc... there is no real way to track where the group "action" is that I have found and would hate to see a step back in the group area. Will there be something similar? Is there already and I can't find it?
- Allison
don't like. it's not friendfeed now, it's another thing
- Luca Di Ciaccio
FriendFeed as the same potencial than Diigo and the same problem: not easy to use...
- António Teixeira
How dare you tell me how to use FriendFeed! (Except that you're right, of course; time to address my lists usage.)
- Akiva
I think that we have to introduce segmentation in our reading :) it is fun and exciting :)
- abdellah
I would like the icons back saying what type of service the post is from...possibly in the bottom right corner of the avatars.
- Paul Arterburn
My parents will hate how active the page is - the next generation, who go at the pace of Wall-E, will eat it up
- Christopher Galtenberg
haha, yeah I need to up my game in the lists - haven't had to use - but now I will. But I love it!
- Tony
That's dangerous. Lists require lots of thought, work, organization. If there's one thing we know from running Grazr, people do not want to do that (well most non-organization obsessed people). I think essentially forcing the use of lists is a big mistake for broader adoption.
- mikepk
I suspect people will trim their subscribe list, while they adjust
- Iphigenie
so what's the first thing to do that's going to slow this down?
- Todd Jordan
I don't mind the speed, but I think there are more elegant things they could do with the UI during live updates (ie: fading to/from colors) and of course letting the user control speed of updates and UI effects.
- Ryan Stanley
when he name list, it mean filtering :)
- abdellah
Hmm... a few rooms (feeds now?) I created seem to be missing or just not easy to find. Will check out the tour to see if I'm missing something
- Dave Ferrick
the one problem with the speed is that what you are scanning suddenly jumps off the page. perhaps a way to "pin" what you are reading temporarily...
- Iphigenie
woah neddy.....wouldn't tabs for search terms in the main page be a good idea...
- Paul Fabretti
Yikes, is there a pause button somewhere?
- Sally Church
This mega-threaded replies really do float to the top.
- Andrew Leyden
needs a keyboard shortcut for pause. Or a contextual gesture (like hovering over some part of a story). Having to scroll to the top to pause is clunky
- mikepk
Weird when what you're reading wobbles because there are things going on above it - if the L&F remains, we can dub this the 'newquake' :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I worried that the new oh my god it refresh so fast kill the conversation in FF, I havn't to worry robert thread will be there as long or may be longer then ever
- abdellah
I can't WAIT until the twitter-only crowd starts bitching about all of the friendfeed meta convos that are "cluttering up" their twitter streams
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
@Thomas, thank you, thank you! I was getting dizzy just trying to read anything. I hate the fugly UI and the RT speed. Going back to Twitter, at least one can read in peace at own pace there.
- Sally Church
dave!! do you want to read your FF list in an rss reader?
- abdellah
Yeah, I have my list paused now. I think we will get used to it anyway. It is fun to watch so many different reactions in so little time.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Have to say -- the message threading is now very nice indeed. Love the automatic update of comments, too. As I typed this, a couple others came in and didn't disrupt. Sweetness. Now I need to learn about lists.
- Anthony Baker
This is really nice so far..liking the realtime comments -DMs are a great addition. Time for more exploration :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I said the same thing, but then everyone told me I gotta use Filters instead....
- Bwana ☠
Lists are king :) Also, just figured out that ROOMS ---> "FEED" - everything is a "feed" type now
- Susan Beebe
As I'm one who thinks the quality of interaction went down when lists were added, being forced to make more lists doesn't seem a positive.
- Todd Hoff
I thought the whole point of FF was that you didn't have to "learn" a lot about the interface in order to enjoy the experience. Lists kinda ruined things for me, so if that's the only way to enjoy the new FF, I guess I won't be.
- Jennifer Dittrich
David: I am using Safari as my FF client. Jennifer: that's never been true. This is a lot easier to learn than the old interface.
- Robert Scoble
This will force me to better use lists...
- Seth Meranda
The problem is using lists more actually decreases conversation IMHO. I dunno.....
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
There's also the pause button at the top of the page to stop the auto update.
- John F Morton
Yep, agreed. Learn to use lists, use filters, ya gotta learn that sooner or later. I had to do it in Facebook some time ago.
- Tom Parish
Do you have a formulas that you use for your lists?
- Ed Entrepreneur
The filters are only marginally useful. I don't see any way to filter stuff out of a feed. The options for searching/filtering seem just too basic to be any real use.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert, if this is how you've been following Friendfeed ever since you've started, you've become my personal hero. Either you have superpowers or you were born in Krypton.
- Jordi Soler
from twhirl
you need the pause button accessible from anywhere on the page. I'm 70 plus comments down on this conversation and the screen keeps pushing it down and makes the screen "jittery" to keep your eye on what you are reading. Because the screen is moving fast, you probably need 'comment' 'like' and 'hide' links on each nested conversation on anything over 30 comments
- Lou Paglia
now robert may we ask you to share with us some tip about list?!!
- abdellah
Brian: what would you like to see in filters?
- Robert Scoble
if you think the new FF is too fast, stop trying to follow Scoble's threads ;)
- Ryan Stanley
I'm gonna start on the lists :) Way too fast.
- Roberto Bonini
abdellah: you need to build lists around interests and personality types. So "noisy jerks" go in one list "quilters" go in another "posts lots of bacon" goes in another "tech geeks" goes in another. Jordi: my life has been real time for more than a year now. This takes it to a new level, though.
- Robert Scoble
I would like to see negative searching for one thing -- I want to see everything that doesn't have LOLcats in it for example.
- Brian Sullivan
we need a keyboard shortcut for pause. Would help read comments, etc
- shaun mclane
We asked for ways to better track our discussions - and now we have an improved version (due to convenient link).
- Mike Reynolds
@Brian Sullivan search for cats -lolcats should eliminate them from your results
- Ryan
robert, I was thinking like hope that some will not screw the schema of filtering, notice that when we filter using keyword some will may probably try to target some keyword in their feed title .
- abdellah
Robert - yep - this definitely is not for the faint hearted. Must be on crack to use this! LOL
- Susan Beebe
It's an interesting interface. I'll be looking to see if conversations can still occur with this type of flow.
- AJ Kohn
'welcome to my world' ha ha. i think with all the love the RS gives friendfeed on a regular basis it only made sense to improve it
- AJK
Agreed. I'm going to have to learn to make new feeds to keep using this. Also, I may have to do something to get rid of this light grey background.
- Ted Roden
I need to be able to post updates from a list if they're going to be encouraging me to use lists.
- Jesse Stay
The lists/filters system is too complicated
- DarknessFalls
The problem is that lets say a video is shared, and I'm watching the video - the page keeps going down, and I can't finish watching the video inside FriendFeed! That's not sharing, is it?
- Daniel Brusilovsky
@Daniel Good point. Perhaps they could open Videos (and similar stuff) in a modal window, allowing the content to scroll ?
- Ahsan Ali
I think if they auto-pause the UI while I'm mousing over it that might help. It wouldn't need to pause long, just a few seconds.
- Matt Griffith
I don't foresee myself being a pioneer on the new FFeed, so hoping to see some interesting articles now that the embargo time has passed
- AJK
Another suggestion on the new real-time updates. Give me keyboard shortcuts to pause the feed. Using my mouse is too slow in a fast-moving feed.
- Jesse Stay
I think the number of comments went from zero to +100 in les then 45 minutes.
- Peter van Teeseling
Ryan -- the "-lolcats" search doesn't do that from what I can tell -- it returns an empty feed. I would also like to be able to search for posts having less than a certain number of likes/comments as well as more . I would like to be able to set up searches/feeds for complex expressions ("-lolcats and -loldogs" or "-lolcats and -loldogs" from a group of people with more than 10 likes and 0 comments for instance).
- Brian Sullivan
I Can only image a multi-column FF layout...
- Greg Lato
it will happen Greg... has to... would probably actually lessen the jitter effect
- Christopher Galtenberg
I love how fast it is going. It's really real-time.
- Peter Kruit
Needs a "slow it down" toggle - maybe a slider for the speed?
- Jesse Stay
OMG! I see why you bought a separate monitor.
- Leigha Baer
or we have the option of ignoring ff just like twitter gets ignored when I tried to reciprocate even a portion of the followers
- Susan Reynolds
@Leigha: Yeah, I can definitely see the need for another monitor for this version of FF. I'm considering it myself.
- AJ Kohn
OK, Now I see how the lists work. Much easier to manage.
- Leigha Baer
FriendFeed should take that as a sign - you shouldn't *need* a second monitor to use their service.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse: I view this as a better way to access the data flow - which is what I believe FF is at the end of the day. Why not have a separate place to conduct my data queries while I do other things?
- AJ Kohn
For Twitter, the only way I listen in is via search.twitter.com or pure luck. Or via FF for that matter. I view more Twitter content on FF than on Twitter itself.
- Mike Reynolds
Brian, yeah I badly want to filter out lolcats too; -cat friends:maverickny seems to work so far
- Sally Church
Andrew Leyden is totally right. It's like IRC.
- Ian Betteridge
one of my favourite descriptions of twitter: "like IRC meets the whole world"
- Dean Whitbread
I'm sorry @scobleizer but your world must die ;)
- Отборнейший бред
I use lots of lists and filters - I'd love to TURN OFF the real-time updating, please.
- Bill Sodeman
I could use a tutorial on how to use lists but do not have the time anyway :o)
- David Gross
the new friendfeed filters are awesome. even better than friend lists.
- Mike Bruder
by the time i have made a list, this page would have vanished :)
- Tatty Gibson
I'm back home & trying to catch up with what's up with the new FriendFeed - I'm assuming it's now live?? Also, I'm not noticing things moving too fast... is that because I'm not following as many people as many of you???
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
ill admit friendfeed looks pretty damn compelling. certainly complex at first blush.
- doubledrat
Moving people from out of my home feed to a different list one at a time is extremely slow. If there's a way to move people out of a list and into a different list in bulk, I haven't found it yet.
- Chuck Baggett
Is there any way to select almost everyone on your home list and move them to a different list in one operation? (Similar to how you can checkmark hundreds of messages in Gmail and perform an operation such as tagging or archiving on all of them at one time.)
- Chuck Baggett
LOL, could be a LOT worse! That sounds like a cover-up to me, really it's because you start singing loudly, start arguments over silly things, and end up talking utter crap...like everyone else, isn't it? :P
- Amy
Unless...you mean 'hugger' in the sense that you don't detach yourself from the person until you've hugged them for 10mins. Then...yeah, ok, that could be bad. :)
- Amy
Or it's because you're tweeting and friendfeeding away the whole night
- Richard A.
I heard Vijay say his friend starts to run around wherever he sees horizon. LOL :)
- Praveen Vasudev
There are rare exceptions to the rule, LE, but in general it's best to follow this rule. Those who don't tend to be out of work longer.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
What if you don't want another job? I quit mine last week but I don't want a new one. :P
- Rochelle
Rochelle - you do have one! You just work at home.
- Katy S
Rule #16: If you state a rule or axiom on friendfeed everyone will be only too happy to point out the exceptions to the rule or axiom.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"I laid myself off once with no leads in sight" Haha
- Rodfather
Completely agree with this, Alex. It's much harder to get a job when out of work! That's be me next Friday. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
This is so true. There was a girl at my office that quit her job right after Christmas last year. She claimed that she wasn't getting enough experience & responsibilities and quit without any notice (and without any other job prospects lined up). My thought process was, "what kind of work experience do you expect to get by not working at all?"
- Maggie
Don't I know it. It's tough to find a job right now without having one in the first place.
- Mike Nayyar
Yeah, I really need to start looking for a better job while I have one and break this sucky cycle I'm in of getting let go after awhile and having no prospects. :-/
- Jonathan Hardesty
Liked for Robert's comment. I lost a lot of respect for Guy Kawasaki after he made a stink about the suggested user's list in one of his presentations.
- Brandon Mendelson
Just out of curiosity Brandon, why did you lose respect for him?
- Leo Laporte
Of course it's totally within their rights. But I think it was in their interest to do something more useful. Whole Foods? Really? Would they have 302,000 followers based on merit? ev is being disingenuous I think. This was really about a demonstration of a monetization strategy. (See what we can do for Whole Foods? Imagine what we can do for your brand!) If they wanted really useful suggestions they should have used Mr. Tweet.
- Leo Laporte
But, of course, it sounds like whining for me to say anything about it at all. So I won't. I'll just think it.
- Leo Laporte
Dave makes a really good point! Doing what serves the best interest of users is great but more importantly serving customers best interest is even more important. In this case, are these suggested user slots being paid for? Should they be? Just curious in the thoughts out there? I know its been mentioned but, what do you think?
- Jason Cronkhite
@Leo Can I be really honest? I felt, and I know this is an opinion formed solely from reading comments and websites and not knowing the specific individuals, that the Silicon Valley club didn't make the list and they had a fit about it. That's a gross generalization, and I do apologize for it, but the sniping comments about the list just come off as bitter. I'm a believer in the number of followers not mattering, so I guess I just don't understand the attitude.
- Brandon Mendelson
And one other point: I am not a business. I am not even close to being a celebrity. I'm just a guy fighting cancer and helping the homeless. I made the list. So the whole thing about businesses and celebrities only making the list? It's not totally true.
- Brandon Mendelson
I completely understand that Brandon. It's an awkward position for people like me and Scoble and Dave Winer to be in. I think we have legitimate reasons to criticize the process, but when we do so it looks like sour grapes. Follower counts matter not as some arbitrary competition, but because (until Feb 6) it was a measure of influence. Now they're meaningless to those in the know, but newspapers will still quote them. But, seriously, I'm long over it.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo I believe you and I respect your opinion. Thank you for the conversation. I've been meaning to share that for a while now.
- Brandon Mendelson
Leo: have you checked out Whole Foods' tweets? They actually engage with their followers quite a bit. People like that. I also noticed you and Scoble both use Friendfeed to post to your twitter accounts quite a bit. Perhaps that's getting you caught by their filters. Just a thought.
- Nathan Johns
Absolutely, Dave. I would never want to be on the suggested list. The followers I have, found me and followed me due to actual interest. I value them far more than the hundreds of thousands of automatic follows the suggested list would generate. Frankly if it weren't for them I'd have abandoned Twitter long ago.
- Leo Laporte
OMG Leo you wrote a short novel! I for one found their silence on issues of purpose and profit suspect... and finally the other shoe drops. I suppose it's better than vague promises broken, but not really by much. I can get a lot out of twitter's community (or is it MY sub-graph?), but I could also do that on another service, with other users. Hey! Like FriendFeed!
- Richard Walker
Most of after I said I was done talking about it, too!
- Leo Laporte
I liked the part about how if you fill out your profile more completely you might be one of the 20 suggested users as well. Good point. I'll get right on that.
- Thomas Hawk
@Leo and @Robert I appreciate you candour over this issue. I ca see why Twitter are doing it however I suspect because it is human selected compared to a ranking algorithm like Google's it generates a suspicion as to motive and/or judgement.
- John Collis
Actually, it would be more useful if their "chief scientist" looked at localised content. To most of you, that list is localised content. But what about me, sitting in Malaysia? If I want to know where to get the best tofu steak in town, I'd likely get an answer from fellow Malaysians. The suggested users feature should think of locality too, not just celeb-status
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
The thing this taught me is that some entrepreneurs love you when you bring them users, but turn on you after they don't need you anymore. I've been told that Twitter's followers don't like me, which is why they removed me from the list. I'm cool with not being invited over to @biz's house for dinner. Twitter doesn't need early adopters anymore, is another thing I've heard. I'm cool with that too.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: that's a great way for such a list to work. Friendfeed's list, by the way, works pretty closely to that. It shows you the most popular ones of the friends you've already added. So if you only add friends in Malaysia chances are it'll suggest other Malaysian friends. This is why you never see Iranian's recommended to you on friendfeed (but if you add only Iranians, Iranians are all you'll see).
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I think there's a common thread here with your recent observations RE Facebook: Don't give your users too much power. That is, don't let them design your service by committee and don't let users with strong opinions about your service that may be counter to your own have too loud a voice on your service. In Twitter's case it extends to their developer community, e.g the 20K/hr API limits. You're welcome to build a client to send them traffic, but don't try to extract too much value from the system.
- Ken Sheppardson
Colin: friendfeed's list is here: http://friendfeed.com/setting... -- it has several differences from Twitter's list. For one, it includes a lot more than just 50 people. For two, it is different for every user and is based on who you follow. If you follow no one, this list will suggest no one. Follow one person, and you'll get the most popular people that one person follows. And so on.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: if that were true they wouldn't have put Mike Arrington on the suggested followers list. They know he has too much power over their PR, so they needed to include him on the list.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yup, you're right. And that's how Twitter's list should work - more "automated". All this localised stuff is in tune with what you mention with regards to Facebook as well. The way I see it, is that as long as I'm in any locality where I have friends on twitter or facebook or friendfeed, I should be able to get localised information, anywhere, with ease. Like when I'm in San...
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- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I didn't play footsie with Twitter (or as one blogger put it tonight, bring them cupcakes) and I kept recommending friendfeed, so they didn't want their new users to see that. Techcrunch doesn't do that, he just links to himself. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Colin: celebrities are why Twitter is getting so much hype. If I were them I'd be feeding the celebrity monster too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Does Mike do anything more than push TC's RSS feed there?
- Ken Sheppardson
It's all cool, I now have a job that doesn't require me to have any followers, or rely on a page-view advertising model, like many journalists require, so now I get to have fun on Twitter again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
"I guess the early adopters who helped build Twitter now realize their work was to get Twitter to this point - the big'uns got it from here."... yeah, cause, that's worked so well in the past.
- Johnny
Ken: no. Which is why TechCrunch had fewer followers than me, Guy, or Leo before Twitter added TechCrunch to the suggested follower list.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: this weekend I got more traffic from friendfeed than from Twitter. You're onto something. It's not how many followers you have, it's how many will engage with you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah, I'd say TC's "power" is as a celebrity content provider. TC/Arrington aren't active users, nor have they been particularly critical of Twitter...other than piling on RE downtime. Recommending them isn't contrary to any sort of "don't let your users get too much power" philosophy. [Yeah, I know... I'm stretching the point.]
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: But most of the celebrities are people I don't care about. But then again, I'm not the average person, and Twitter's recommended users aren't exactly designed for me. I always thought Twitter was getting more popular because of it being more "mainstream" - being mentioned on TV like CNN and so forth (everytime I see a mention, in my limited TV watching time, I do get quite excited)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
BTW, anybody monitoring Allen's blood pressure, as most of the discussion generated by his post is attached to a Backtype-cross-posted comment by Robert to FriendFeed?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: you have a good point there. It's funny that Arrington himself warned me about investing so much time into Twitter. I'm not bitter, though. I have a great set of people I'm following that show me stuff before most other people see the patterns. And friendfeed is growing faster than Twitter did at this age in its life.
- Robert Scoble
And also, have we thought about the 'parents' factor. Any fad, and Twitter is a fad if you like it or not, is instantly killed when your parents start using it. I wonder how many people will actually use it once it stops becoming hip to do so. Anything that gets super big gets super lame shortly afterwards. Myspace anyone?
- Johnny
But it's the parents who are using Twitter already, Johnny: "Twitterers (a.k.a. Tweeters) are not primarily teens or college students as you might expect. In fact, in February the largest age group on Twitter was 35-49" -- http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsen...
- Ken Sheppardson
Johnny: Myspace got lame because its design wasn't nearly as nice as Facebook's. I don't think having your parents on something makes it lame. After all, that didn't make the web lame for me. Or you.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: I did find that funny that it's a small comment that started this whole conversation. Hopefully Allen will relax and enjoy that we all visited his blog today. Colin: you're not normal. Neither am I. Most people love celebrities. This is why there's so many magazines about them.
- Robert Scoble
You mean all those people who signed up after hearing about it on Ellen or CNN? Cross reference those with users who have logged in more than twice or has more than 5 updates and lets look at the numbers again.
- Johnny
Johnny: shhhh, don't poke sticks at the normal people. They might start showing up here. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's true Robert, but in the real world, the idea of having some 16-28 yr old's every thought monitored by their parents is a intimidating factor. Oh and my Myspace comment was poorly made. Once Myspace got huge, the next 'cool' group was those people who hated on Myspace. So far we have only heard postive noises about Twitter from celebs because they don't want to seem lame. The second that trend bucks, welcome to lame town (I'm talking here about the 18-25 year olds here).
- Johnny
Johnny: believe me, the 15 year olds know how to share their lives out of view of the parents. Even on Facebook or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
So do 28 year old bearded guys from Australia :P I have just spent the last couple of weeks thinking about social media from outside the bubble we tend to live in. I have spoken to people about Twitter, like my parents, my work friends, people who never use social media outside of Facebook. Being frank, Twitter gets a big 'meh'. I think there may be some over-hype here. Selling it for more than it is right now. Celeb power will only work some of the way, rich content filled interaction with friends has...
- Johnny
to be the mortar. Facebook has it already and not one of my friends feels like changing.
- Johnny
Twitter is wrong, terribly, awfully wrong, the first thing it should do is "see which of your facebook friends are on twitter", "which of your real life friends are on twitter". Why would following strangers encourage twitter use?
- Richard A.
Richard: if you give good advice like that you should charge for it. I used to give away advice like that and they never listened. In fact they hate me for it. But, seriously, you're right. Johnny: Twitter is getting hype because Celebrities can be public (like CNN, newspaper brands, etc) while on Facebook it's hard to be public (try to get more than 5,000 friends). That all is changing on Facebook and Facebook is also becoming nicer and more open as it ages while Twitter still is giving me error messages.
- Robert Scoble
Cause they have jumped the shark now. It's more about 'who famous is on Twitter' than a rich experience for their users. When your selling point goes from 'You' to 'Them'... *sigh*
- Johnny
And that's going to destroy twitter, how many people do you know still being conversation on twitter anymore? I deleted my account to try to find the genuine people, Turns out it was around 55 of my old followers. They actively tried to find me again :-)
- Richard A.
I don't get all of the complaining about the celebrity invasion on Twitter. Six months ago Leo Laporte and Kevin Rose were having silly contests to see who could accumulate the most followers. And people were obsessed with the top 100 on Twitterholic 2 years ago when there were *no* celebrities on Twitter http://www.centernetworks.com/twitter... I'm sorry, but this just sounds like sour grapes to me. If you don't like the celeb's just don't follow them.
- Mike Doeff
@RichardAzia: you make some good points about finding the genuine people out of a mass of Twitter followers. If you found 55 real people—not bots or Guy Kawasaki's ghost tweeters—how many followers did you have? I find it's about 20%. I feel Twitter's invaluable for professional/work-related social media interaction. I'm looking for new ideas and interesting people in my fields of interest to follow. I don't necessarily want to be their "friends," not initially, but am happy to interact and share ideas...
- .LAG liked that
Mike: it is sour grapes. But go beyond that and there is something there.
- Robert Scoble
For me, my real-life friends and family, whom I keep sequestered on FB, don't provide that kind of potential intellectual depth for me. I think both TT and FB serve distinct and useful purposes, and I'm more than happy to keep them separated. For me, a Twitter button that said 'find your FB friends' would be the last thing I'd want. Gotta keep the worlds separated. Just one opinion.
- .LAG liked that
.LAG: when I brought my Twitter friends into friendfeed I DID keep them separate. I put them into their own "list" (er, folder) here on friendfeed. Funny enough they provide me with far less value than the average friendfeed original poster.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's because they're active participants, rather than rss style users.
- Richard A.
that is the great thing about twitter, you can be somewhat anonymous, leading to more honest responses.
- andyb
Mike: if that's true, most users aren't using that control. They are going with the defaults. I can prove that by watching the numbers.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, if I laid down the foundation, built the walls and constructed the roof to your house then Joe Bloggs came along, screwed on the front door and put up a sign said 'Built By Joe Bloggs' I'd be pissed too... But more than that, know the saying 'don't forget your friends when you make it big'?
- Johnny
@Scoble: well your Twitter "value proposition" -- for lack of a better term -- is consistent with my experience. Only about 20% of the people I follow on TT deliver value for me. So my approach is to periodically clean my list and follow more. I have no problem doing that, because most, if not all, are not RL friends. I'd be hard pressed to do that on FB. I have a real social commitment to the folks I've connected with there.
- .LAG liked that
LAG: I get where you're coming from. But what's a real life friend? Please define.
- Robert Scoble
...and yes, my FF value percentage is much higher closer to 50% or more, because it's generally a more thoughtful community—perhaps the nature of the application requires it—and I think most of the people here are, in fact, people and not TweetLater autobots.
- .LAG liked that
LAG: that's because they aren't anonymous for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
...but back to the original premise of this thread, I do understand why some would be up in arms over the suggested users list. with so many new users coming into the service, being on that list has a lot of upside, and certainly profitmaking potential. for most of us, though, it does appear to be inside baseball. so be it.
- .LAG liked that
LAG: life is inside baseball to those who don't get it.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: early adopters invested thousands of hours of their lives in Twitter trying to build new businesses. Then the management comes along and says "we're going to make someone instantly above you in every list out there" and it is far beyond emotion. That's an attack on business prospects. Oh, and if you don't think that companies aren't making millions on Twitter, think again. I know a couple of businesses who are already making millions with their Twitter accounts.
- Robert Scoble
When money is involved, emotions run high.
- Robert Scoble
I just deleted my twitter account and feel liberated! You get much better thorough information following an OPML; Twtiter seems best utilized to subscribe to celebrity feeds: at least you get a good LOL
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Two words (a name, actually) and you'll understand why I stopped scrolling through the suggested users list: Tony Robbins. . . Tony frakkin' Robbins! Sheesh. If anybody on that list wants me to follow them, I'll find them myself, or they can find me.
- Steve Lowe
people it's simple - if you read my post you will see - just bring them cupcakes and make a video - fluff them a lot in posts, or help them appear like important or be a founder or investor :) the truth is, they have forgotten all the people who made twitter -- i think this is the really interesting point to debate
- Allen Stern
Dave: it's amazing how many people are pissed off about this decision by Twitter but who will never say anything in public, too. I think that's even funnier because bloggers are supposed to be transparent about what they are thinking and feeling. I've learned that with stuff like this it's probably better to just stay quiet than to write what you really think. But that still doesn't stop me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Dave: never underestimate the reach of a blogger or someone on friendfeed. :-) The CEO of Like.com told me he got on MSNBC because I wrote about him. So, do I have one reader or am I a gatekeeper for MSNBC? Hmmm. Or, when I quit Microsoft I told 15 people and in three days Waggener Edstrom estimated that I got 15 million media impressions. Word-of-mouth can have HUGE reach, even if you only think you have 15 readers. There's a LOT of journalists reading here on friendfeed with a LOT of reach.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble: This thread is long dead, I went to sleep shortly after my last post last night, but my definition of "real life friend" -- in an online context -- is someone I've actually met offline, face to face, and not just shook hands with, but spent enough time with that we'd recognize each other instantly next time we met, if not friends, at least friendly. one day, we'll meet. ;-)
- .LAG liked that
LAG: some people I've spent a lot of time with and I still have trouble remembering them, other people I've met for only a couple of minutes and I will always remember them. It's funny, though, everyone defines friends differently. By the way, I remember certain people, have had dinner with them, but I can assure you that they are not friends just because we recognize each other instantly. In fact, there are people I'd recognize instantly but who I'd see as enemies. Your definition falls apart there.
- Robert Scoble
...LOLz! true on recognizing some people instantly as enemies. we used to call those "negative friends." I'll amend my admittedly flaky definition to this: "...recognize instantly AND WARMLY!"
- .LAG liked that
The loading from SD to Wii Memory is fast. I just moved all my WiiWare and Virtual Console games to a 2 GB SD card and load them from there now without worrying about the memory constraints.
- Mikey Rollins
SDHC is not supposed to work on the Wii, only 2GB SD cards are the maximum. Has anything changed with this?
- Daniel Morrow
from twhirl
Now if I could only find some good games to play on it.......
- Benno
And it's impossible to check it out without handing over a credit card. Not that I wouldn't be willing to pay, but FeedBurner is good enough right now. If FeedBlitz doesn't want to make it easy to test drive, I won't bother.
- Pat Hawks
I though Lisa would be taller, guess not :)
- Fee501st
Chris has made me believe in the possibility of reincarnation and past lives, because I'm pretty sure he was once a weasel.
- Fleagle
@Fleagle Maybe not a weasel, but definitely a ferret.
- Jason Wong
I always try to complement women like Veronica properly and with respect, I don't want to be that guy that is the offensive jerk!
- Fee501st
Having been compared to an 'older model [of a car]' and a 'hot water bottle' by 2 previous boyfriends - both meaning it in a complimentary light - I can confirm that geek guys have NO CLUE as to how to compliment women. :)
- Amy
If you haven't seen Pirillo's blooper be sure to do a search he cracks up to the point where he totally loses it and turns into a puddle.
- Phil Boiarski
Ya, Veronica just now almost made Chris blow Epresso out his nose.
- Fee501st
"Forget trying to maneuver your way through all the mixed reactions to Watchmen crowding the interweb today. There’s only one question you need to answer, apparently, in order to make up your mind whether or not to see the highly anticipated adaptation: are you okay with a massive blue penis in an R-rated comic book movie, or will you be offended and demand an apology from the MPAA? Over at the site Movieguide, which is partnered with The Christian Film & Television Commission, organization chairman and “spokesmen” (is he multiple people?) Dr. Ted Baehr is quoted as saying Watchmen should have received an NC-17 rating for its constant display of male anatomy, and he claims the MPAA has agreed to bring the complaint to their ratings board."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I wish I could have counted the number of people who were talking about this as I was leaving the movie. What they didn't know is that the comic featured as much or more nudity.
- mike fabio
They shouldn't be offended. It's not a real penis, is a computer generated penis :D
- Bibi
it offends me when i get hit on in restrooms by these same conservative critics
- Cee Bee
so, the sex scene and the attempted rape scene didn't offend them. An exposed penis (I swear it flits between natural and mutilated.. er, circumcised a few times too!) is what gets them hot under the collar? Pathetic, what are they trying to save us from exactly? Cause I see a cock every day, doesn't make me do bad things!
- alphaxion
I hate the double standard here. They complain about too much peen, but don't bat an eye when someone's arms get sawed off and copious amounts of blood spray out? Riiiight.
- Jonathan Hardesty
I've never seen a big blue penis before, and i doubt many people have. So, they should back off and let everyone have a peek.
- Simon Wicks
Dr. Ted Baehr needs to stop tapping other men's feet in bathroom stalls next to him
- Cee Bee
Do we have a better screencap than that? I'm looking for a wallpaper sized blue schlong shot and coming up empty on the intarwebs.
- Sparky, lurking
When I saw Watchmen on Friday night, there were loud groans of disgust from adolescent boys whenever the penis appeared or a male butt. Maybe their is an equivalency between young males and conservatives? Either way, you DON'T have to SEE the MOVIE.
- Kenley Neufeld
No one in the group I saw the movie with mentioned the offending member. We were too busy talking about how awesome the REST of the movie was....
- iTad
Tad, I happen to think that big blue penis is actually kind of awesome.
- Derrick
Tad - are you saying the offending member wasn't awesome too?
- Sparky, lurking
It's so surprising the difference in reaction depending on who complains. Had something in the Watchmen insulted immigrants or some other minority, everyone would be off the hook. Because it's an organization that is related to a Christian organization people say wow, how unbelievable these people are! Get real people! Same rules should apply for everyone!
- Gavin
Gavin - I don't get what you're saying. The "offending" part only really offends incredibly prudish Christians who probably shouldn't be out watching Watchmen anyway. Most Christians aren't nearly so up-tight. So, no, we don't care if something silly offends a tiny minority of prudes. Too bad. Don't go see the movie. Your analogy fails.
- iTad
Sparky - said member was not the least bit exciting. It was kinda just there.
- iTad
Of course, some CG cock gets them all in a tizzy about the wrongness of the world. Of course, these are the same sort of people who think that 12 year old girls should be having babies. Put these lunatics in rubber rooms, says I.
- Chris Charabaruk
exactly chris... hypocrites... the same idiots support a church that has pervs in them....
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hold on a second guys. There's nothing wrong in and of itself in not wanting to see CG penises on the screen. It's fine for someone to not like that. What's NOT fine is them trying to enforce their morality on the rest of us. I know most really conservative people will never watch the movie, and that's ok. Also the vast majority of them aren't calling for any changes either.
- iTad
HAHAHAHA! I KNEW IT! Almost all of the Christian conservative tweeters I asked about Watchmen told me that it was one of the worst movies they have ever seen because of the giant blue penis!
- Michael Forian
What is wrong with people who are more offended by the presence of a flaccid penis than by violence? Don't get me wrong, I'm a Watchmen fan from way back, but you'd think that the R-rating and violence would scare away all the people who are too delicate for grownup fare.
- Anika Palm
Lindsey - I didn't think it moved at all. It wasn't ever the focal part of any scene. It was just Jon standing there naked - nothing sexual at all about it.
- iTad
I found the ultra-violence much more disturbing, and I'm a big fan of the comic. It's not like I didn't know what was coming. More horrible than any of that though was the acting by Silk Spectre II and Adrian Veidt. TEH HUMANITY.
- Derrick
Now I think I would understand if Dr Manhattan had been swinging his schlong around or if he was erect and thrusting it around, but it was just simple human nudity and I just can't wrap my head around being offended by that. My guess is that some conservative men are afraid to look because they're afraid they might be gay.
- iTad
Wait do you have a clearer picture of this "display" so we can better judge :)
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Derrick - you're making too much critical sense. :P
- iTad
Well, it didn't really flop around. If anything it barely even moved! Still, they're taking focus away from the theme of the art and just standing there, pointing and yelling "there's a penis, ignore the questioning of humanity and our nature!".
- alphaxion
Shawn, for the most part, the thumbnail above captures how prominent the penis was.
- iTad
This penis is getting so much flak, I wonder if it'll be up for an Emmy :o)
- Just Katie
@stretta - a number of years ago, a local columnist in Spokane, Wa, wrote a serious article complaining about nudity in famous works of art, and especially the statue of David. Sad, but true.
- Jennifer Dittrich
My only problem with the blue penis was thinking there was a poor guy acting naked most part of the film. But since there wasn't, I'm fine. I didn't notice it moving. I think I was too busy looking at other things at the film. BTW, I think conservatives must hate many French and European films in general: too many "natural" scenes with naked people. :)
- Bibi
The Other Brian, and what of the people who don't find it offensive? Why should they be punished because a group of people can't just ignore/not watch something that they don't like. They instead decide it is their place to play moral police for the rest of the world.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
I think that might be linked to the fact that in the US, some people won't show movies that are rated higher than an R and there's certainly many places that won't stock the DVD's of movies rated higher than R.
- alphaxion
...I guess none of the reviewers have ever had blue-balls.
- JA Castillo
If I was on the MPAA and in fact even if I wasn't and I had a massive wang being paraded in front of me, I would totally, totally, be ok with that. But I know, you're saying, "he's a head of his time, WOW!"
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
I don't understand what the problem is. Are people saying that under no circumstances, including with parental supervision are we to allow those under 17 to view a flaccid, computer-generated penis, simply as a part of the naked male form? That is what an NC-17 rating is. Rape, killing, exploding bodies, that is all ok, but _PENIS_ OMFG. Maybe if the penis was running around killing people, that would be fine, but, just there, on the screen, UNACCEPTABLE.
- stretta
from twhirl
Being rated NC-17 would not be as big a punishment IF the same groups lobbying for this movie to have an NC-17 hadn't already bullied the theaters into not carrying the "evil" movies. Not to mention that the movie does in fact carry an R rating, which last time I checked meant Restricted for adults. Non sexual nudity has been deemed an R rated offense. I do in fact care about ratings.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
who cares what hollywood will sell.. they make crap films anyway... they change the truth to suit them in movies....
- Rob Sellen :o)
Film studios have also pressured the MPAA to retire the NC-17 rating, because it can make their film worthless (e.g. most Blockbuster stores refuse to carry DVDs rated NC-17 and many daily newspapers also refuse ads for NC-17 films). -wikipedia
- stretta
from twhirl
Also, about wanting to be informed about a film before paying for it. Why is that the responsibility of a simple letter (which I believe already did its job with the Restricted comment anyway). Why can't we expect people to be responsible and do a little research on their own nowadays before heading out? You have the Internet you could have found out about this issue long before leaving the house.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
aaaRRRGHH why don't they all just go bury their heads someplace??? Reality is not going to conform to their pathetic, perfect little standards. PENISES. THEY EXIST. PLEASE GET OVER IT. And anyway I can't STAND the double standards. Half-naked women are all over the place. There has been plenty of female frontal nudity in movies. No clamoring for an NC-17 for that. UGH. So tired of these people.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Lindsey, I don't ever think I said your opinions should mesh with mine. Lemme go back and check to make sure.
- Derrick
As Tad said, fine, be offended if you want to, but don't impose that stuff on everybody else. It's ridiculously easy to find out what's in a film on the internet so you won't accidentally go and be so SHOCKED! Quit trying to shield everybody's kids from everything. Worry about brainwashing your own.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
good to have the rating for the kids... that's the whole point of it... but you need to replace the morons who decide the rating...
- Rob Sellen :o)
The rating is a guideline, not an essay. My argument is why shouldn't you have to do some footwork? Since it is you who is ultimately going to be offended or not why are you not responsible for making some effort? Walking blindly into a movie sounds pretty irresponsible to me.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
Interesting, Kamilah. I totally forgot about the abundance of female nudity in movies. No one seems to be getting their crank turned over those images in film.
- Derrick
I demand blue penii in every movie, regardless of rating from this moment forth!
- stretta
from twhirl
listen. I'm leaving you free to NOT see the movie. people on your side of the thing want to change the rating all over something stupid, so chances are it wouldn't be seen by as many people (kids would be restricted). So who is imposing on who??
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Brian...I'm not arguing for Any change. I believe that the rating should stand and it is up the the individual to decide whether or not they should see a movie. So, you are saying that the rest of the world should be mindful of your personal feelings at all times and you are not responsible at all?
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
Lindsey, I want to go back and have Titanic rated NC-17 instead of PG-13.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
She was naked! I saw her boobs and everything. ..Also the movie was an hour too long and over directed. But we can't rate such things, so yeah the boobies.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
Honestly I can't remember. I only saw the movie once and it was long long ago. But not so long that it doesn't still haunt me.
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
of course the difference being they're trying to bury something they don't like while those of us who find a lot of what they promote to be filth (you do know that segments of the bible read like a mills and boon novel, right? there's some nasty, perverted stuff in that book!) and yet don't call for their stuff to be buried.
- alphaxion
Brian, I agree their opinions are just as valid. However they Have a recourse. They can not watch the movie. However they are attempting to have the movie re-rated so that those who's sensibilities aren't akin to theirs do not have the option of seeing it. There is nothing forcing people to see the movie, but having it rated NC-17 essentially removes it from about %90 of venues. Why not just have them burn the film?
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
I think Brian Norwood implied that leaving the movie as a Rated R movie is just as compelling as the right-wing groups trying to destroy the movie by rating it NC-17. If that's what you were really implying, do you really believe that? How can we be pushing anything on conservatives when they have the CHOICE not to look at it (or allow their children to look at it)?
- iTad
I don't think people understand what really is at stake here. Several independent studies have confirmed that even a single accidental glance at blue ween can instantly turn you gay. It's science.
- stretta
from twhirl
I heard that was how Derrick turned fag, that's what it says in the Bible
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Now Mark Wilson wants to fuck Prince Charles rather than that hot piece of Queen; he was turned by the blue wang
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Sure, some of these folks deserve you saying that, Brian, because they're getting totally irreverent about the whole thing, but if you're talking about all of us, what you said totally applies to yourself. You don't get what's wrong with censoring something for everyone just to protect a few sensitive people. What most of us are trying to say is that it's probably better to let everyone handle this themselves. We don't need some governing body to tell us what's okay. Some of us got a bit harsh about it.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
++JA Castillo. The poor guys's got blue balls. That's never fun.
- Josh Haley
also, it's fine to have a differring opinion. But that's just it, they're going beyond that opinion and trying to turn it into policy for no other purpose than selfish reasons, ignoring the wishes of other people.
- alphaxion
Brian I'm still not getting what you're saying. Do you mean that simply because the movie contains content that offends people that it should be rated NC-17?
- iTad
@brian the thing is, their protest is made with full knowledge that a change to nc-17 would effectively shut the movie out from being shown and subsequently sold in a rather large amount of places (unlike the UK, were we will show and sell movies rated 18 which is the equiv of your nc-17). So there is a maliscious intent to have it blocked from being seen in the majority of outlets. Which certainly *is* censorship.
- alphaxion
I'm not intending to watch it, whatever size and/or color penises are in it. LOL
- Ian May
what needs to happen in the US is the removal of the stigma and penalties surrounding the NC-17 rating so that subject material such as this is treated as the adult material it is (and by adult I don't mean porno, as in the themes and subject matter are of an adult nature rather than suitable for children).
- alphaxion
@brian actually, I'm sure the controversy around Basic Instinct wasn't really around the Beaver leg uncrossing shot, it was surrounding the lesbian scene that was subsequently cut from the movie.
- alphaxion
Alphaxion. Unfortunatly we can't because the very same groups (or at least some of them) trying to up the rating to NC-17 have also bullied the theaters into not playing films rated higher than R. At one time they were fighting R but they conceded. Nice of them yes?
- Joe "The Enforcer" Pierce
@Joe which is why I'm pointing out that their protest at the movie is with maliscious intent. They don't want to change the rating because the rating would fit the content, they want the change because of how it'll impeed the distribution of the movie. Something Brian is totally overlooking.
- alphaxion
@Brian and it should be, but it's not. Now, I'm not from the US so I don't know the full details. But what I do know is that many of the cinemas and shops were put under massive pressure from religious puritanicals and the PTA (?) to curtail the distribution of NC-17. Now, here in the UK we simply have U, PG, 12, 12A, 15 and 18 ratings of which they are legally binding (illegal to sell to or admit people under the rating) but nowhere stops the distribution of it.
- alphaxion
how large can this blue penis possibly be? Everybody saying "it was huuuuge...." Also I have to disagree with Lindsey calling the penis "the most ridiculous part of the human body". If our society's popular mores have reduced the penis to the status of "ridiculous appendage" then we're defiantly doing something wrong.
- Rafael Robayna
I didn't think it was that huge and I saw it in IMAX
- Lynne d Johnson
LOL @ Lynne (and kinda LOL at this thread...).
- Derrick
@Lynne ....LOLz! And on IMAX it couldn't have been, what, two or three feet long in actual screen dimensions.
- .LAG liked that
I don't recall the Walk Hard conservative anti-penis uproar... or did I miss it? Because they could /not/ be missed :P
- Michael W. May
You know what? I didn't want to see The Passion of Christ, so I didn't. Stupid conservative sheep need to go read reviews and find out if a dreaded penis hangs out there to ruin their morality and corrupt their children and then decide that they and their children won't go. Those people are idiots. "Oooh, a card game uses the word 'demon,' let's make them stop producing it!" "Oooh, that book talks about magic; let's ban it!" It is all about censorship and control, and they're not getting me to fall for it.
- a runcible MiniMage
And for the record, I thought he was rather well-endowed, and I watched it move. If you can't handle it, don't. If you just kept watching it, instead of the rest of the movie, that is not the producers' fault.
- a runcible MiniMage
@MageAbortsBorgBabies You know it! Conservative right wing sheep need to get some MASSIVE blue shlong fed to them slowly!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
@minimage actually he is bigger than average by about an inch.
- alphaxion
Just to clarify, I'm not calling all conservatives stupid or sheep. Heck, I married one. I'm specifically calling out conservatives who are also stupid sheep of the human variety.
- a runcible MiniMage
Oh well in that case...they should get it served to them even more slowly
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
Just saw Brian's comment about the meatus shifting around. If they were deliberately trying to draw attention to it, that would be unnecessary roughness. [note: I thought using the textbook term would be safer, but I think it's even worse]
- a runcible MiniMage
UH HUHUHUHUHUH....You were looking at that dude's weiner....HUHHUHUH. You like weiners...
- Rahsheen the Dream
A blue penis? Oh, c'mon! Get a grip here people! ... Not on the penis!!!
- Michael Forian
Oh for crying out loud. And so it begins ... Give me a break.
- ::Kristen::
WTF is a meatus & what kind of "straight" person knows what that is? A closeted one perhaps...? Hehehhee Rasheen's right, he likes weiners!!!! hehehehehee. He's even got the biology down!
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
re: the comments about NC-17 as censorship, if you don't think NC-17 is effectively censoring the film, watch "This Film Is Not Yet Rated", it's an excellent documentary on the MPAA's rating system
- Louis Simoneau
@sofarsoshawn: Any person, straight or otherwise, who took college Anatomy and Physiology ought to know what a meatus is. Females have meatuses, too, btw. Also, Brian referred to it as an "eye," and I used the textbook term. I'm quite openly hetero. :p
- a runcible MiniMage
Oh i thought Brian did, seriously has anyone seen the ginonourmous engorgment of this post? Couldn't read it all ~ I was questioning his orientation...my word of the day meatus. I'm going to prounounce it like meet-us hehehehhe
- sofarsoShawn <Pop-Rocks>
articles like this remind me why I hate social conservatives.
- Jeffrey Canton
Haven't got time to read all this, but the whole thing seems ridiculous. Is this the Victorian era? Such a minor issue, shouldn't be one at all.
- jjprojects
tho the head itself is called the glans, just to let people know.
- alphaxion
And know that now, tons of gay comic book nerds are going to dress up (and by dress up I mean paint themselves blue and be naked) as Doc Manhattan on Gay Christmas...er, I mean Halloween. You can bet on it.
- Derrick
Wow, I'm suddenly VERY afraid of what DragonCon will be like this year. Good thing I'm not going!
- a runcible MiniMage
They concluded that, after a single overwrite of the data on a drive, whether it be an old 1-gigabyte disk or a current model (at the time of the study), the likelihood of still being able to reconstruct anything is practically zero. Well, OK, not quite: a single bit whose precise location is known can in fact be correctly reconstructed with 56 per cent probability (in one of the quoted examples). To recover a byte, however, correct head positioning would have to be precisely repeated eight times, and the probability of that is only 0.97 per cent. Recovering anything beyond a single byte is even less likely.
- Leo Laporte
Study from a forensic expert. hmmm. Maybe it's just my conspirationist mind, but maybe the guy was tired of trying to recover drives erased by data-wiping software, and tries to stop the trend so he can finally find some incrinimating stuff...
- Jean Sebastien Dussault
from twhirl
Great, no need to worry about private "stuff" hidden in the recycler, no Norton Nprotect...no shredders. ;)
- Carlos Lorenzo
That's hilarious! Reminds me of ppl who put "Java: 5 years of experience" on their CV when Java was only a public language for 3.
- Kevin Elliott
A profession usually nets one some sort of financial compensation. Who's paying these "professional tweeters' for all of their time spent tweeting?
- Jeff P. Henderson
I need some names and output to judge what they're up to. I might be interested in supplementing my income :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Whatever happened to all the Professional Friendsters?
- James
And I appreciate that "meeting the dictionary definition" is short-sighted, but the point is, how do they do it as a job? How do they make a living out of it? Assuming they mean that they're "experts", then who defines the criteria of "expert tweeter"? Crazyness.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
@Bob Blunk: Sure, I hadn't thought of people *employing* people to Twitter on their behalf. Strange world we live in.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
Just had to show you guys, check out the similarities. The left is an outline of "publisher" (like Friendfeeds sharing tool) and check out the news stream to the right... That's not all, of course there's "likes", "lists" and "real time"......is Friendfeed going to lose out to Facebook??
I dont like the way Facebook works. I'm still not used to their most recent change. And i dont like the way they keep incorporating other services ideas and passing them off as their own. :(
- Simon Wicks
Facebook sucks. The only thing I do on there is block applications and people. And try to convince my friends to move to twitter/friendfeed.
- Jeremy Brooks
The average Facebook user is going to be overwhelmed if they give too many options or if they have to play with filters. They should not go overboard - people want to share photos and play, they don't need to dominate the world, that is for Twitter and FriendFeed.
- Stuart Miniman
I like facebook to a certain extent, it's just so slow to load for me which makes me use it less. I <3 Twitter/friendfeed
- Angela P.
FB and FF fulfill different requirements to me, mostly rooted in how the communities are set up. (In that 95%+ of my FB friends are real life.)
- Andrew C (✓)
The difference is the community - there's only a select few people I'm friends with on Facebook that I'm also friends with here on Friendfeed. To me, Facebook is for your close friends and family. FriendFeed is for like-minded individuals.
- Nathan Chase
I hate to say it but I reckon in the long run Facebook will win...I'm going to put my thoughts in a post though if u don't mind
- Zee.
Zee - if we persist in comparing FriendFeed strictly to a social network, then I'd agree. Facebook will win. It's when you realize the information management potential of FriendFeed where the real differentiation becomes apparent. On FriendFeed we're not bound by the two-way follow model. And FriendFeed has a great use case around tracking information from the far-flung reaches of the social web. Whether from friends or anyone else.
- Hutch Carpenter
I may blog about this but ... I think this is a huge mistake for Facebook. Why would you essentially introduce and train your millions upon millions of users on a FriendFeed interface? It's just making it easier for Facebook users to grok and use FriendFeed - and once they do ... I think they'll stick around.
- AJ Kohn
I'm sorry, but, I don't see the mass of FB users migrating from the product. As long as the basic use of the software is simple...they will need to add features to keep the slightly more tech savvy users interested and not go stale.
- Zach Landes
FriendFeed has quality. Facebook has quantity.
- Louis Gray
I have to agree with Louis. Here, at FriendFeed, I feel like I get concentrated quality, full of useful info. On FaceBook, I can occasionally find something useful, but I really only find it useful for getting in touch with old high school and college friends.
- Seth Greenblatt
Every time I go on facebook, I feel confused. Pulling for FriendFeed to stay in business.
- Rick Cogley
+1000 Louis! bingo! Facebook has the masses, FriendFeed has the community :) we rule of course!
- Susan Beebe
"Chuck -- first -- THANKS for pouring all this effort into it. I really appreciate it. At the right time, I'm going to do this. But not now. I had a brilliant breakthrough idea (if I do say so myself). Amazon will let me return this thing, for full credit. Think about that. I can rid myself of this virus and let THEM worry about reformatting and reinstalling the OS. I'll just change a few passwords and that's the end of that. Sometimes the best thing to do is what Indiana Jones did with the Turkish knife thrower. Dave"
- Dave Winer