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We need real-time improvements to RSS and other feeds. More on why here:
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Dave Winer's latest two posts on his blog are NOT on friendfeed yet. I had to manually link to one of his that's very important. This is something I would like to focus the community members of Building43 on.
- Robert Scoble
There are some alternatives out there, like friendfeed's SUP, but they aren't widely adopted.
- Robert Scoble
How can we work together as an industry to make RSS better and faster? I remember Dave Winer used to run a ping server, which kept things pretty quick. Do we need to build another ping server for the industry?
- Robert Scoble
almost seems the real time web is going to need two streets, one is memcached and the other isnt :)
- sean percival
And, if we are going to build another ping server, how do we build one so it serves everyone equally well?
- Robert Scoble
I remember when I first visited Dave Winer at his house. He'd refresh the list of all blogs that were pinging his ping server (it built a list of stuff that's new right now) and he'd visit all those links. Friendfeed reminds me a lot of that except friendfeed is too slow. I hate it when i see people talking about posts before they show up on their main feeds here, like happened with dave's posts today.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what Dave Winer's thoughts are on this topic?
- Robert Scoble
I wholeheartedly agree. So often by the time something appears in Google Reader for me its 30 minutes old. RSS Needs to be made more efficient. The second you hit "publish" it should appear in my feed reader.
- David Lloyd
RSS is not real-time enough.
- David Lloyd
stop been such a cheer leader for friendfeed, yes we get it it's cool, but unless u r looking for some stocks from their, stop it dude... u r making of this a religion, ur view of 2010 is just a naive view of the future of the internet, there is more to be done. Yes more people around the world needs to embrase it, but there is more to just a twitter accound, a facebook or a a friendfeed place.
- Gilbert Corrales
Gilbert: OK, look at Facebook then. It has the exact same problem.
- Robert Scoble
gilbert FF is more than cool, it's the prototype for how many will share and interact in the near future.
- sean percival
Isn't this purely because RSS is modeled after a subscription pattern? "I have this available here you can subscribe. When I make an update I'll post it here and you have to come check if there is new stuff"
- Nicholas Orr
And Gilbert if you like your news "aged" then go back to reading newspaper. Everything there is guaranteed to be at least eight hours old by the time you get it.
- Robert Scoble
Naa Robert is right no matter how you look at it. Remember when you got your first 1mb internet how fast it seemed compared to dialup? It's time RSS was brought into the broadband era of being instant. There has to be a way of doing it.
- David Lloyd
Nicholas: right. If I update my RSS feed it can be hours or even days before various spiders come and visit it. Some pages are visited more often, but usually only because they are updated more often. In Dave's blog's case the spiders aren't visiting very often and even if they were they wouldn't be real time like my photos (OurDoings.com uses SUP to let friendfeed know it has something new to come and grab -- that works awesomely fast).
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I am not talking about aged... I am talking that there is way more we can do than freendfeed... u can reach 40.000 in a single message, but is that it? how many people is in FF and how many in FB? how may come to ur blog from some other reason?... my current research focus on the semantic web, and how many people is after thatn?... yeh the NYT is startin to embrase that's nothing
- Gilbert Corrales
Gilbert: I'm talking about speed, not audience size. Don't know why you are on the attack here or what point you are trying to make. Facebook has the exact same problem friendfeed does.
- Robert Scoble
Gilbert: and so does Google Reader and other feed readers. They are too slow to have a decent conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I don't want to speak out of turn but David Winer will be furious at this thread. It is perhaps the most important technical thread in a long while on friendfeed though in my opinion.
- David Lloyd
its posible do a temporizer for rss...Im working in this...the race begins...
- Ferdy
Only someone with a huge audience like you could have started this discussion and debate.
- David Lloyd
Mark: I don't agree that Dave will be furious. I think he should be furious that his content is not being seen WHEN he's writing it.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, I have the same problem. How do we get faster RSS? It is a problem for real time.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Scoble: we need more than just this or fb (sorry if I am in attack mode.) but we need a bigger, radical chance... web 2010 is more than just this, it's about reaching where we haven't reach... 3rd worlds are on the rise, and we need some basic ground, and to be honest I dont think FF is
- Gilbert Corrales
Sorry to turn the conversation non-serious here but I am much more interested in precogs - I would like to know the news before it happens...real time is just too stale...haha :)
- Mike Bracco
Mark: that is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. You could have started it. THe second I click "like" on your item it goes to all my readers.
- Robert Scoble
oh cool, so when you like something it syndicates across all your followers in their feeds?
- David Lloyd
http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... ah there
- David Lloyd
Gilbert: we're arguing about RSS here. Not friendfeed. Take the friendfeed stuff to a different thread. Mark: that's EXACTLY how friendfeed works. Yes.
- Robert Scoble
I think that Google Wave might be the first thing that approaches the kind of speed you are talking about
- Chris Johnston
Chris: I can't wait to get Google Wave. So far I haven't gotten it because I didn't go to the Google I/O conference. But if Google Wave relies on RSS/Atom feeds it, too, will be too slow.
- Robert Scoble
Yes real time is cool.
- Randy Allen Bishop
Robert: Hmmm well the only reason OurDoings can update your FriendFeed is because you have a FriendFeed account... What if Dave Winer doesn't want a FriendFeed account. So now I'm thinking isn't this what those Blog aggregaters are used for? You don't need an account if you do create an account then you can claim your blog etc. Seems like SUP needs to be added to theses Blog aggregators and in turn WordPress/Drupal/Blogger others support that.
- Nicholas Orr
Well the google wave demo's were instant, as in, milliseconds, content was pushed from computer a to b instantly.
- David Lloyd
I want to know about what everyone writes THE SECOND they hit post. Dave's feed at http://friendfeed.com/davew still doesn't have his latest two blog posts.
- Robert Scoble
Google Wave relies on bots that can do whatever they want... (umm within the confines of permissions, waves. Its not a broadcasting platform, you have to be involved in the conversation)
- Nicholas Orr
it is not RSS that is the problem - it is the 'concept' syndication doesnt work - real-time filtering based upon the social graph is the future - twitter/FF etc are just one step along a path
- Nick Halstead
Please retweet this thread link on your twitters, might be a good way to get some more people over here on FF x
- David Lloyd
Nicholas: no, the reason OurDoings works so fast is because it doesn't use RSS. It uses, instead, SUP which comes into friendfeed nearly instantly. The problem is that very few web sites and services use SUP, most rely on RSS. So, I guess one answer is to spend years evangelizing SUP. I'd rather see some other "upgrade" of what RSS does, so that the whole system gets real time without a bunch of years wasted evangelizing yet another protocol.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: problem is (as I see it) is that as far as I've seen everything for u gets solve in FF, yes it's a step up from RSS, but how many orgs can have a Scoble here? we need something that allows for conversation but also allows for growing and for commerce (like the ones u r targeting for) no everyone is up for this change... but an incremental change
- Gilbert Corrales
Robert: yeah I get that SUP is what does it quick. However you have to have an account. RSS requires no account. If you know about RSS address you can look at the content.
- Nicholas Orr
I just 'liked' this post, and it displayed almost immediately in my Google Reader. Is it the 'like' function, my connection, or something else that is different...
- Wallace
Nicholas: good point. Which is why people far smarter than me need to explain to me how RSS will get real time features.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry but SUP is just a bodge on top of RSS - it was designed to allow FF more efficient access to when things update. SUP is has not got a future in making the web real-time end of story
- Nick Halstead
Wallace: Google Reader's spiders hit certain pages very often because they know they are getting updated very often. Google, for instance, is indexing friendfeed every few minutes, if not faster. But it doesn't treat EVERY web page/web site that way.
- Robert Scoble
are you a developer Nick? you sound like you know what you are talking about with all the jargon
- David Lloyd
Nick: since you build real time systems I would love to know your ideas of how RSS will become more real time.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: Nick Halstead is the guy behind TweetMeme.
- Robert Scoble
how deliciously exciting!
- David Lloyd
Robert: Doesn't FriendFeed / Twitter make RSS less relevant today?
- Jim Connolly
RSS IS everywhere Jim, is what Dave said, its liek HTTP or FTP it will always be there
- David Lloyd
the work twitter is doing on HTTP streams is much more interesting to me, this is about large volume filtered content being delivered out to multiple destinations.
- Nick Halstead
Jim: no. A lot of what is imported here is RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Jim Connolly: Yes, I think it is.
- PWR
@Robert - it is split into two parts - how content is delivered to users - Like 'long polling' which FF uses (and we do as well) - and then how big systems transfer real-time data - and that is what twitter is doing with HTTP Filtered Streams
- Nick Halstead
Quite simple -- they should support the weblogs.com ping protocol. It's brain-dead simple. If they don't like XML-RPC they can use the REST version. Then FF would immediately be compatible with every blogging platform out there. I've been saying this for over a year, but they either don't listen or they do and they don't want to do it. THey've never responded. So your issue is with them. It's easy for FF to get on the bus. Set up a ping server and you're done.
- Dave Winer
@Robert I see Google / Others all starting to consume these new streams (It cant just rely on just polling websites every hour/day anymore)
- Nick Halstead
@Dave that is never going to work on scale - if it was going to work it would have been done, the next step is to allow consuming of real-time streams - I dont care what format the stream is in but we cant go back to thinking polling techniques can give us even a sense of real-time
- Nick Halstead
Nick Halstead is the gaffer behind the sublime http://tweetmeme.com/, Dave x
- David Lloyd
At the moment if you click 'retweet' on one of our retweet buttons (when your logged in) it takes 5-6 seconds to get from TweetMeme -> Twitter -> FriendFeed ... that sounds impressive, but it 'should' be instant
- Nick Halstead
so who pays to have servers turned on with n people connected to it ready to recieve content via push? Isn't that what this is coming down to? You have the content creator and the content cosumer, then in the middle is the content pusher - I don't see content creators or content consumers paying content pusher...
- Nicholas Orr
Robert & Mark: My bad - I forgot that RSS is how we pull everything together on FF. I was thinking exclusively regarding FF and Twitter as a source of new, fresh material. Thanks for the heads up guys!
- Jim Connolly
@Nicholas - the joy of the new technologies is that having open connections is actually more efficient than delivering separate requests ever 30 seconds (i.e. AJAX polling)
- Nick Halstead
Here I manage 20 platforms with RSS, can i see which is more fast to receive data...http://www.fdeflash.com/fpanel...
- Ferdy
Scoble, also when you talk to your friends at FF, ask them to support OPML import and export. I think you should go on strike until they do that. It's about the most user-unfriendly thing they could do. It's been too long for it to be a matter of resources. They're building a roach motel here. I wouldn't add any more value here until they add a way out.
- Dave Winer
www.getpingd.com is an attempt to solve this problem by adding a real-time, peer-2-peer ping ontop of RSS
- Chris Saad
@Nick - yeah content pusher was what I made up for your open connection - where do you get an open connection from? Isn't RSS an open connection? FriendFeed works well for us because we have accounts. Say someone creates a new blog, that isn't going to go anywhere until that person creates a Twitter account and FriendFeed account and connects the blog - then it will be plugged into the...
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- Nicholas Orr
@Nicholas a range of technologies exist now to deliver data delivery that relies upon an open connection such as 'comet' http://cometdaily.com/ - FF uses it - it requires very different server architectures so it is taking time for developers to move onto it
- Nick Halstead
Gnip is an attempt to do this with a Central Service - but it doesn't need to be central - it should be distributed - again - refer to getpingd.com :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, you think all this hasn't been beaten to death ad nauseum? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of weblogs.com. All the would-be reinventers have given up. Over and over. You guys should have reunions! :-)
- Dave Winer
Scoble, if you can hear me -- try following this account. http://friendfeed.com/friends... You'll get all my updates within five minutes. And a bunch of others you probably are missing too. :-)
- Dave Winer
anyone know how to get realtime twitter mentions on friendfeed?
- Tyler Gillies
Question: what runs IM technology (IRC)? Could this be a solution applied to RSS. Obviously, I'm not a developer just thinking out loud.
- Jason Cronkhite
xmpp is the best PUSH IM technology IMHO
- Tyler Gillies
"There are some alternatives out there, like friendfeed's SUP, but they aren't widely adopted. - Robert Scoble" - YouTube just recently announced SUP support: http://apiblog.youtube.com/2009...
- Benjamin Golub
whatS UP?
- Tyler Gillies
SUP FAQ: http://code.google.com/p...
- PWR
It looks like Rob is AFk - probably gone to a party or something ;)
- David Lloyd
you calling me a FAQ?
- Tyler Gillies
wordpress SUP plugin http://neothoughts.com/2008...
- Tyler Gillies
typically appears on friendfeed within 10 seconds [so the site says]
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah - SUP does this. I use it on my site, and Youtube is starting to use it as well. Google just encouraged developers to begin taking advantage of it.
- Jesse Stay
There is absolute proof that people want to interact in real-time. It's called Google Wave. Google and Facebook have been making a habit of using FF as a test environment for new features (comments, likes, sharing, grouping, etc). Real-time is just the next 'wave' Google will be stealing.
- Scott Magdalein
Google's Wave is also a solution. I have a test account and I can see it becoming a real-time replacement for blogging.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, BTW, if you ever want to play with it, I can give you access to my test account to play with.
- Jesse Stay
Justt add a Google Reader layer to Google Wave, problem solved. Did you try it?
- Charbax
@charbax - not really, the problem is that Google Reader (wave or not) still takes forever. it's not a layer issue, it's a paradigm issue.
- Scott Magdalein
I went through this a few years back. Including the 'ping server' concept where my server would ping the ping server with new content. The ping server would then ping all subscribers. The subscribers would then request the new RSS. Then I realised: That's basically what XMPP is for. We just need an extension to XMPP that is for RSS style syndication. Other XMPP clients subscribe to my...
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- RickMeasham
@Jesse: You've got to be in the conversation though. I guess a group could be created "everybody@onthe.net" and we could all opt into that group. Then all we have to do is add the group and bam instant global broadcast :) (Google Wave)
- Nicholas Orr
Publishers have to have the infrastructure for realtime or they need to syndicate to a service, like Friendfeed, that acts as a hub. If you look at the way FedEx works, they send all packages to a hub before sending them to their end destination. As a publisher, I don't need any scale to push to Friendfeed, who can handle the scale of thousands of clients polling it. Even with pings, if...
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- Peter Warnock
Funny, was reading the Observer pattern section yesterday in the Gang of Four's seminal book on Design Patterns. It made me think I should blog about how RSS needs to implement aspects of it & just generally improve to handle realtime. Why not have the protocol allow for items to be pinged that are > guid X. (caveat, not sure if any of this has been spec'd out, haven't come across it...
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- Joe Devon
Why not just build all the good features from RSS and other feed systems in to Google wave
- Michael Mooney
do you think google wave will kill friendfeed?
- Tyler Gillies
friend feed should be one of the first Wave providers with it's own look and feel but still 100% compatible.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Michael Mooney
Google wave will certainly not kill FF. It will increase FF's relevance. The two services are totally different.
- Scott Magdalein
Scott why do The two services need to be totally different
- Michael Mooney
Wave is something that social media services will adopt. It will certainly not kill them. Michael, why are they different? For the same reason that FriendFeed and email are different. They just aren't the same at all.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Remember Friend Feed, Facebook, Twitter, IM & E-mail are basically tools for communicating. so why do they need to be need to be totally different?
- Michael Mooney
They don't need to be, they just are. It's like asking why apples need to be different from oranges.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
They don't NEED to be different. They ARE different by their nature and purpose. Even though Wave is moving messaging to a more collaborative environment, it's still not an OPEN environment. That's where FF steps in. It's an ongoing, open conversation in real-time.
- Scott Magdalein
from email
As I said, it is likely that services like Facebook and friendFeed adopt the wave standard (not necessarily google's products though) as their new means of communication. I will also suggest that I will likely use most heavily, any social media service that uses waves for communications.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
People can be free use the Friend Feed wave or Facebook wave or Google wave or CNN wave each optimized for their communitys
- Michael Mooney
If static non-interactive web & e-mail are seen as Web 1.0, social services & IM as Web 2.0, so Wave Providers maybe be seen as Web 3.0
- Michael Mooney
Nicholas, exactly. One would just need to subscribe, and the blog would broadcast on each post out to that wave group. Real-time. You could even incorporate comments via that means, real-time.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that's exactly the problem. Broadcast media isn't real-time when you try to also incorporate conversations around it. That's why FF isn't a broadcast medium, it's a conversation medium. Google Wave will still be far too fragmented to hold OPEN conversations.
- Scott Magdalein
from email
Nicholas Orr said, "well the only reason OurDoings can update your FriendFeed is because you have a FriendFeed account". Actually, any aggregator can get the same real-time results as FriendFeed. You could build your own competitor to FriendFeed and use SUP the exact same way FriendFeed does without asking my permission. Ping services don't allow that.
- Bruce Lewis
Hope all the social media service R&D teams are brainstorming on how to improve the web in events like Iran
- Michael Mooney
Superfeedr - realtime via xmpp & pubsubhubub http://blog.superfeedr.com/gospel...
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Bruce Lewis - The point I was making was there needs to be an aggregate/hub for the information to flow too, otherwise people will need to visit lots of places. You can't have your content show up on FriendFeed unless you have an account :) People who start a blog right now aren't auto plugged into anything and have to plug themselves in. In order to have real time of the entire web I...
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- Nicholas Orr
FrameChannel doesn't have a FriendFeed account as far as I know, but I created a group and added one of their blogs to it. So I'd amend what you said to, you either need an account on the aggregator, or a user on the aggregator who's interested in following your blog. I think that's reasonable.
- Bruce Lewis
Wow, what a FF thread, and they say RSS is dead. This to me is simply a push vs pull debate. Granted RSS (the spec) is dated but RSS is highly used and useful. I believe RSS needs to evolve more like XMPP with Distributed hash tables like P2P networks. Allow RSS feeds to know how many active connections there are that it needs to send real time (which seeders such as GReader could...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Peter is exactly right, RSS/Atom is a "virtual" publish and subscribe pattern. For it to be a real publish and subscribe pattern it will need to 1) know and keep track of who/what has subscribed and 2) send out the new/updated content to all current subscribers at the time of publishing. XMPP probably points the way most clearly to date.
- Barry Baker
XMPP pubsub http://xmpp.org/extensi... Webhooks http://blog.webhooks.org PubSubHub http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
If you had a Wave and had people join it, like following you on Twitter or subscribing on Friendfeed, you would then get the equivalent of those services but in real time and with playback.
- Chris Johnston
Indeed, hopefully PubSubHubbub will solve this. It can turn all of the web's feeds into push. http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com
- Brett Slatkin
Elastic tabstops - a better way to indent and align code - http://nickgravgaard.com/elastic...
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"Each cell ends with a tab character. A column block is a run of uninterrupted vertically adjacent cells. A column block is as wide as the widest piece of text in the cells it contains or a minimum width (plus padding). Text outside column blocks is ignored." The page includes a Java applet demo of a simple editor which uses this concept. This actually looks pretty sweet.
- ⓞnor
from Bookmarklet
You mean, tabs should be 4 spaces? That's okay but did you read this article?
- ⓞnor
It would require changes to any editor; I see no reason those changes would be harder (or easier) to make to vi. (The changes are to how tabs are rendered; actual editing is unchanged.)
- ⓞnor
Those are good points about time travel, but this could be a relatively incremental improvement that would actually make things a lot better. Not that I'm about to adopt it or anything (as far as I know it is implemented only in gedit), but table-based layout of code fits the way I move code around better than the line-at-a-time reindenting most editors use. Maybe a good intermediate solution would be an editor that works with this model but translates it to a more conventional format on exit.
- ⓞnor
I wasn't smart enough to make the demo do anything interesting for me, but what does this do that you can't do with the emacs commands that in/outdent the selected block of text?
- j1m
j1m: try making one of the variable names (or types) much longer than it currently is. You'll see the entire next column of stuff shift over to adapt without you having to do anything special. Also, since it's only the rendering that's changing, and not the number of space characters on every affected line (as would be the case if you indented everything with spaces), your revision history will be cleaner: only the line you meant to edit will show up as "changed".
- Laurence Gonsalves
What Laurence said -- try editing the "try making this comment a bit longer" text, or the "makeThisFunctionNameLonger()" function in front of it, and watch how things reflow. Or, edit the name of the someDemoCode function and watch the argument list move. Some of these things could be done through fixups and block-move commands, but I think this is quicker and better.
- ⓞnor
@Laurence, yeah, the bit about the revision history seems pretty valuable.
- j1m
What I want is something that can reflow gracefully to variable column widths, so we don't have to argue about 80 columns vs. 100 vs. whatever all the time.
- ⓞnor
This makes sense to me. Neat find.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Very interesting idea, seen it a few times before. Sad thing is that it isn't really supported anywhere I can find. I only indent with tabs myself, spaces are evil. I hate having to retab files that have to few/many spaces to be readable. =)
- Daniel Bruce
omg i love you. <3 <3 <3
- Will Higgins™
I haven't tried this, but here's a related package for Emacs: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-e...
- Amit Patel
The problem is that we still edit code's textual representation instead of structure. I'd be more of a fan of a 2d layout of code.
- Jonas S Karlsson
@Jonas: Agreed.
- Ihab Awad
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HAHAHAHA
- Johnny Worthington
You guys, this image is SO huge! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
Lol
- Farzad
Ignore! :D
- MissSaghar
ترابلشوتینگ: to solve your problem you must shut down your computer and fuck yourself immedately!
- M∂hmood
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- MustaBR
رافائل هنگ کرد! :))))))))))))))
- M∂hmood
Like for saghar :D viva MicroSoft :D :D
- Farzad
They have those on Gilligan's Island.
- Trish R
amazing
- Marcos Vicente
This is one of my new favorites.
- Kevin Bondelli
i wonder what mona is like at a flea market - she probably finds the rare gems!
- Allen Stern
Too bad there isn't a StumbleUpon for flea markets.
- Kevin Bondelli
Allen: Will work for free food! ;)
- Mona Nomura
I want to randomly deploy this into a piece of software as an easter egg.
- Kevin Bondelli
aaaahhhh, windows.... hahahahha
- Melissa Maskevich
I made a Mac error pop-up to keep this one company. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kevin Bondelli
This *still* makes me laugh out loud lollll!!
- Mona Nomura
wow september? nice to see this again hehe
- Alfredo
As Carlos said, I am "crate digging" . . . my feed used to be so visual. I am finding ALL sorts of posts.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Oh shit that's funny!
- BEX
just laughed at this one again :)
- (jeff)isageek
Hehehe
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
from fftogo
lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fly, little butterfly, Fly!
- Martha
oh this must be at least thirty-seven years old. but still funny!
- Kirill Bolgarov
It can't be THAT old; it's done in XP look-and-feel...
- Karl Knechtel
Love it!
- Marcos Vicente
nice! I've never seen this one before.
- Phil Maxwell
- the f word
- Monique
Karl, that was a joke
- Kirill Bolgarov
XA x333
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Classy. \p/
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Had me LOL ... Literally.
- Charlie Anzman
:D:D
- Orçun the Nucro
Lol
- yasin ghasemi
Popurls is My Pick for the Best Web Site of 2008 - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
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Hrm, never used this before. Guess I'll check it out.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
A lot of people don't know about it. That's too bad
- Steve Rubel
from IM
agree.
- Kurai (ff)
yeah i haven't really either as I thought alltop was supposed to be a "new and improved" version - guess i was wrong...will check it out again no doubt.
- Zee.
Isn't it 3 or 4 years old? I think its a cool service but its fundamentally the same as it was from day one (which is a good thing).
- Jamie
It is a few years old but Jamie, it has grown. Check it out,
- Steve Rubel
Making money! Does that mean turning a profit or just generating revenue?
- AJ Kohn
Thomas rocks.
- Allen Stern
Re the money you would need to ask him.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Interesting but not a bad choice. (also Guy's imitation alltop is worst service of 2008)
- Erhan Erdogan
@AJ: profit - it's a one man show
- thomas marban
Thanks for the recommendation, Steve. I've found a new 'toy' to play with...
- Josh Karpf
Not very useful for me, but the interface is interesting.
- \/\/\/ ...загуголина
totally agree. i love popurls
- Thao Ly
http://friendfeed.com/popurls - he ports the data here too. (Hi Thomas!) :)
- Tamar Weinberg
Time to Reboot America - http://omis.me/2008...
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How do we install a different OS? Is there a multi-boot manager?
- Todd Hoff
If the US runs Linux, I'm moving to Poland.
- John Denver
i am not sure that there is an OS. What we need to do is reboot our own thinking, change how we live. we can't control others, but we can personally bring about change.
- Om Malik
"To top it off, we’ve fallen into a trend of diverting and rewarding the best of our collective I.Q. to people doing financial engineering rather than real engineering." +6.02e23 to that.
- Joel Webber
"Generally, I’d like to see fewer government dollars shoveled out and more creative tax incentives to stimulate the private sector to catalyze new industries and new markets. If we allow this money to be spent on pork, it will be the end of us." It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear quotes like this coming from nominally "liberal" economists.
- Joel Webber
How do you know you are a Twitter addict? You are reading this now. At least I am getting last-minute shopping done too! ;-)
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Look at you shopping on Christmas Eve. You're a guy! I'm watching your interview with Loic:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I'm reading this in Friendfeed so that makes me a Friendfeed addict instead.
- Morton Fox
You were supposed to treat us to no more Twitter tonight...
- Pete Delucchi
Count me in...
- Brandon
Now give her back her iPhone! :)
- directeur
It's 3am xmas morning here - and my excuse is a case of my clean clothes for the morning still being in the washing machine.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
But what if I read it on FriendFeed?
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, Bwana! :)
- Lindsay
Bwana: abandon all hope of recovery then!
- Robert Scoble
Count me in the FriendFeed addict crowd.
- elroy
From my side it means I'm a FF addict ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
yes I am!!! Merry Christmas
- catepol
I twittered from the Movies today. Guess I'm an addict, too!
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
I am spending at least five hours a day Twittering and reading tweets. In addition, I am tracking blogs, authors and author's Twitter names. I'm not only severely addicted to Twitter, I'm TERMINAL.
- J. D. Ebberly
Tweetdeck is interesting, I can create groups. I created one called 'influencers' of just smart folks. Helps me to segment down. I also do this in Friendfeed too. I'm spending my hiatus to focus more on "listening" then will evolve to "energizing". I'm going to reduce my "talking".
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that's on the theory that plenty of us have lots of free time to organize people into groups.
- clarke thomas
The rest of you are not smart.
- Shawn Farner
I'm creating a group called Stuffed Shirts. Hmm ... who to add?
- Chris Baskind
Yup, I define as influencers as people who say something unique, have an interesting perspective that just don't repeat everything else the blogger next to them did. It's rare to find them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Shawn, Chris, this statement wasn't meant to offend, it's simply showing how I'm using to separate signal from noise. I'm undergoing media changes, (having stopped using twitter for the time being) so just bare with me as I make changes.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Influencers are my favorite folks to follow.. they have such unique points of view... enlightening!
- Susan Beebe
I keep trying to use TweetDeck and keep disliking it. The ability to organize and divide my followers into groups is awesome, but Tweetdeck is not implementing this well. The list it gave me for all of the people I follow was missing a ton of people, so I couldn't really make the list I wanted to. The interface is so clunky and ugly and it didn't seem to save the group I made when I logged off.
- Mattie Kenny
I really enjoy tweetdeck mainly for the groups. Mattie, I agree that it's frustrating when people I follow are not listed for me to easily add to groups. I had to leave up my general list for a week and wait for people to tweet so I could add them to groups. Still, it paid off and I'm enjoying tweetdeck every day.
- Sonya Smith
no multi account support = pass , glaring feature omission by all these type of apps minus twhirl.
- adolfo foronda
Jeremiah, do you have two large monitors connected to one computer? I think you shared a pict of your desk a few weeks ago an you did not... if you do, a great thing to have is Tweetdeck running on your side monitor while you work on your main monitor, then just look at the Tweetdeck groups every now and then.
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Julio - that's how I'm using FriendFeed's real-time pop out window. E.g. I saw your comment that way.
- Hutch Carpenter
I only have two laptops, but sometimes I put them next to each other!
- Jeremiah Owyang
Most of us do not have the same number of followers you do. But I was able to reduce a lot of noise from Tweetdeck by removing those who did not follow me. Down to 1,200 from 1,900. The next day, all of the conversations were so much easier to follow. While I removed some influential people that did not follow me, I still get to find out about them from those that do follow me and retweet their important comment. Is working for me!
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
@Hugh this is my set-up http://cli.gs/3monitors had my team do the same thing, after the second monitor, we were 100% more productive. @Jeremiah :) Happy Holidays. Looking fwd to a great 2009. See you at CES.
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Julio - three monitors? Nice! Our UX guy has three here. There's a really good story about the productivity potential in adding screen real estate for workers. FWIW - this blog post has a screen shot of how I combine FriendFeed real-time with my daily work: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
- Hutch Carpenter
Several PCs:interesting
- Igor Poltavskiy
make a TweetDeck Appliance with its own screen. Oh, wait...
- randulo
Hutch: Nice post.
- Roberto Bonini
Hey - thanks Roberto.
- Hutch Carpenter
The Meaning Of Friendship - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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"Loic: I take calls from my online friends at 3 a.m. And my number is +1-425-205-1921. I would help you out anytime!"
- Robert Scoble
There goes that number.
- Robert Miller
That # has been public for a long time. And he does answer.
- Louis Gray
I'm a witness too - no secret there.
- Jesse Stay
For a moment, I thought that was Loic giving out his number (quotes threw me off). Was 'bout to say... last time I spoke with I had to go through his publicist.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Hah, someone tried to call at 3 a.m. But I don't pick up blocked callerID calls.
- Robert Scoble
I was wondering how many calls you would be getting after posting that number. Hope you won't have to spend a long time checking your caller ID and have enough time to celebrate christmas. Merry Christmas.
- Ramkarthik
I only got the one. It is surprising how few calls I get. Which is just fine.
- Robert Scoble
I've got me number everywhere and still get very few calls from strangers
- Prolific Programmer
Hell, I've made my mobile phone number public for almost a year, and I've never had anyone call it... (It's in the WHOIS of a domain name I have, in my e-mail signature and at the very least on Plaxo).
- Tyson Key
+447549728105 is my new number, if anyone really wants it...
- Tyson Key
is this friends with "benefits"?
- sofarsoShawn
Robert is totally accessible and does answer his phone!
- Michael Krigsman
"Tis the privilege of friendship to talk nonsense, and to have that nonsense respected." -Charles Lamb
- Luke Robinson
from twhirl
Robert thanks for introducing me and the rest of the world to Friendfeed . Merry Christmas to you and the Wife and Milan .
- johnpiercy
Take a tour of Eli Manning’s automated condo. - http://www.electronichouse.com/article...
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Silicon Valley story: in group next to us waiting for dinner they are talking about unemployment. $410 a week. One of them just got laid off
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Not sure what the unemployment laws/rules are there, but in MA (second highest unemployment increase right now) it's 1/2 of your weekly pay from the highest paid quarter of the past 12 months. At that, this would be a little over a $20/hr job here.
- cmiper
Yeah, that doesn't seem like that high of a pay rate for the Valley then?
- cmiper
I feel your pain, having just recently crawled out of that same boat myself.
- cmiper
I'll be in line next month. Hopefully not for very long!
- Phil G
I was in high school and just starting college when my Dad retired from the Army and couldn't find a job and was on unemployment. It took nearly 10 years to dig out of that hole. I am always thankful for my position.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Not stopping them from going out to dinner, however.
- Michael Krigsman
Spidra: True, true! Shouldn't make assumptions. Thanks for pointing it out.
- Michael Krigsman
It was a group. Gregory that is true but here that would get me kicked out of my home pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
In California, the maximum payment for unemployment is $450/week. http://www.edd.ca.gov/Unemplo...
- Frank Scavo
GULP. They must have been making some serious cash and near the upper limit. The most I ever got a week was almost $200 and I made money.
- Captain Bubbles
Some states increase benefits if you have a family. Being unemployed with kids is tough in times like this.
- Phil Boiarski
All I Want For Christmas is You (Black and White) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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All i want for this Xtmas is my son :( but no he couldnt come :(
- Muge Cerman
:(
- Mona Nomura
louisgray.com: FestivusFeed: FriendFeed Airs Your Grievances - http://louisgray.com/live...
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I found this fake comment I made 1 year and 1 day ago quite ironic at this point. (Reminded by Susan Beebe's thread)
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
"Robert Scoble joins every network but this one." BUT I kept pushing... and here we are. :-)
- Louis Gray
Louis - Wow, your pushing WORKED in a big way...Mike must hate you by now! - of course I love you for that :)
- Susan Beebe
Here's the post in my thread Louis is referring to -----> http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
It took me 1.5-years to get RSS after Dave Winer first showed it to me. So, I am getting faster. Took me just a few months to get friendfeed. Glad you kept after me.
- Robert Scoble
So how do I access it? <---I take that back. Didn't realize what I was looking at when I went to the site.
- Mattie Kenny
Bring back Festivus Feed!
- Shawn Farner
Yeah do it! :)
- Susan Beebe
My favorite grievance: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Louis Gray
Robert, now we just need to get you to understand auto-follow (the SocialToo way) ;-)
- Jesse Stay
LOVE!
- David Cook
It would be nice if someone can tell me how to get the red icon festivus feed thing. I see nothing that lets me post to it. Just the normal blue FF icon.
- Josh Jenkins
Josh: it was a seasonal thing last year at this time, so it is no longer possible. We may have to bring it back by popular demand, but for now the entries you see are all from last year.
- Bret Taylor
Bret - bring back those cute little red icons next to the FF posts! easy seasonal "flair" feature!
- Susan Beebe
Kakuteru - Roll Your Own FriendFeed On Your Own Site - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Post by Michael Fruchter: http://www.friendfeed.com/fruchte...
- Louis Gray
Good post Mike. You beat me to it :)
- Mark Krynsky
That's exactly what i need
- İzzet Emre Kutlu
I'm working on a tool to export your FriendFeed subscriptions in OPML.
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Sounds cool.
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Okay I've got it working.
- Dave Winer
Here's Bret Taylor's OPML subscription list. http://static.opml.org/friendf...
- Dave Winer
Impressive, do you plan to release it today?
- David Lloyd
your one smart man
- johnpiercy
What can you do with them once you have them exported in OPML format?
- Tom Guarriello
Tom you ask the right question! Theoretically, you should be able to import Bret's OPML file into any feed reader app like NetNewsWire or Google Reader. Pretty sure it'll work. The only controversial thing about the OPML I generated, which can easily be fixed, is that as a gesture of respect, I use the "ff" namespace to include the user's nickname with each subscription. An app that wanted to connect to FF in a special way could use this data.
- Dave Winer
Mark, I just released the OPML Editor source code and I'm going to put up a simple web app that exports your OPML, but I'm only going to commit to running it for 60 days, after that, if people are using the functionality, it should really be directly implemented by friendfeed.com, not as a Christmas Eve hack, but as a fully supported and maintained feature.
- Dave Winer
That could be quite useful. Good thinking.
- Chris Baskind
Hi Dave, you must be really influential if Friendfeed will implement your work hopefully! Going to use Google Reader when you put the web app up.
- David Lloyd
Mark, in this area I am influential. I added OPML export to Radio 8 in 2002, and from that point it was a standard feature of feed readers. I'm not sure why FriendFeed doesn't already have OPML import/export. But now hopefully they will add it. (It's easy to get developers to support import, harder to get them to do export.)
- Dave Winer
Looks like you've done a great job, looking at the test subscription list.
- Tyson Key
Ah, yes, I see. Thanks, Dave.
- Tom Guarriello
RSS 2.0 ....awesome! I think FF should add OPML as a feed format ...good call Dave.
- Susan Beebe
Good work Dave.
- Louis Gray
Here's a little web app you can use to create your own OPML subscription list. http://friendfeed.opml.org/
- Dave Winer
cool thanks!
- Susan Beebe
Scoble's subscription list: http://static.opml.org/friendf...
- Dave Winer
Now I want an import. :-)
- Robert Scoble
By the way, my list has very little value. It is too noisy for most people. But my private list, where I add only the geekiest would have a lot of value as a tech starter list. Can I turn private lists in friendfeed into OPML?
- Robert Scoble
I've already done this .... just kidding look forward to it.
- adolfo foronda
Looking forward to it
- David
Gives me an error - Sorry! There was an error: Can't create item "." because "" is an illegal name.
- Atul Arora
By the way friendfeed can't even import its own RSS/Atom feeds so I hope they fix that first.
- Robert Scoble
Works fine for me
- David Lloyd
Atul, not sure whose bug this is, but one of the people in your profile has the empty string as their nickname. Here's the profile. http://friendfeed.com/api... in case anyone from FF is tuned in. I'll add some code to work around it (it'll skip over users with empty nicknames).
- Dave Winer
Atul, I added the workaround, your OPML should generate correctly now.
- Dave Winer
I believe I had the same problem with some code I wrote. It's caused by imaginary friends, who by their nature do not have nicknames.
- Carter Rabasa
Thanks Dave. Works like a charm. Carter - I do have 20 odd imaginary friends setup so that may explain it.
- Atul Arora
Ahhh -- Imaginary friends don't have nicknames. Makes sense. Hmmm. Going to look into this.
- Dave Winer
Hope, if Friendfeed does implement it, they allow for live OPML files, not just import from a static file.
- Amyloo
I should add that FriendFeed doesn't really give you the data you need to become independent of them, as most RSS readers do. They don't give you pointers to the feeds, you have to kind of guess what they are and hope they don't change the format of the URLs later. Pretty fragile -- which is why I'm only willing to commit to 60 days (other than not wanting to get in the business of supporting FF users for nothing but gratitude).
- Dave Winer
wow, worked fine for me, thnx!
- George Tziralis
It would be nice if, as part of the profile, they gave you a list of non-friendfeed.com feeds that they're reading, so when you export you can really separate yourself from FriendFeed. They say they provide all the data, but I think a big chunk of data is not being provided here, with the caveat that I could be missing something, probably am. :-)
- Dave Winer
Dave, we have per-user OMPL which lists all of the feeds imported by that user: http://friendfeed.com/paul... Your "list of all friends" OMPL is a good idea too, and should be easy to add. Do you think it would be more useful to list the friends' FriendFeed feeds (as you have done), or the friends' imported feeds?
- Paul Buchheit
Wow, I missed that there's OPML coming out of FF -- that's why it's always important to say "imho" or "as far as I know." I will investigate. I only listed the friendfeed.com feeds cause that's all I could find. The point of OPML export is to give the user freedom of choice, so it should reflect everything they've subscribed to, and should not require them to maintain a relationship with friendfeed.com. It should work if friendfeed.com goes away. That will make people more comfortable, ironically.
- Dave Winer
It's another instance of "People come back to places that send them away." Something I keep writing about year after year, cause it seems to be what the web is all about.
- Dave Winer
Paul I took a look at your file, http://friendfeed.com/paul..., and while the effort is appreciated, there aren't any programs that I know of that would process that as a subscription list. Here's the section in the OPML 2.0 spec that explains. http://www.opml.org/spec2#s...
- Dave Winer
I want a way to export all my Friendfeed posts (including messages, links, comments, etc.) to a file (or set of files) on my local system.
- Sean McBride
My reply 2 @chrisbrogan 's post on advertising & effectiveness http://www.seanbohan.com - its there because it works, but it could be better
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Lots of advertising is done for ego reasons, not because it works.
- Robert Scoble
Santa Tracker 2008: Track Santa with NORAD and Google Earth - http://www.inquisitr.com/13130...
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Shuttered bakery reopens, rehires workers - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
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"When it promised to reopen the bakery, Lance gave all 300 former Archway workers a $1,500 prepaid debit card. ... "I was crying," Devan says of the gift. "I am like, 'What are these people doing? They don't know me. They don't know us. They don't know any of the Archway people. And they are giving each and every one of us $1,500.' ""
- Andrew Badera
from Bookmarklet
What a nice story to read, and at Christmas too.
- Ian May
100% agreed :)
- Andrew Badera
Obviously the money is important, but it's nice to see that some companies truly care, as we read so much about faceless corporates that treat employees like mere numbers, and discard them without a second thought.
- Ian May
My favorite part: "David Singer, CEO of Lance, says the gift cards were a way of letting Ashland know the new owners are different. "We wouldn't do it willy-nilly," Singer says. "We do want to make money. But this is the pool of folks that we intend to hire. We just wanted to let them know who we were.""
- Andrew Badera
Raw Video: Tracking Santa - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I wish I were a kid again...
- Ron
The Social Media Guru Curve - http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_e...
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Note to self: our servers require power. From a power cord. That has to be plugged into the *wall*.
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Good thinking.
- Roberto Bonini
No UPS?
- Brian Sullivan
Hehehe, nice one.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
hopefully not for long! http://venturebeat.com/2008...
- MG Siegler
I thought you'd stopped peddling the bike for a Christmas drink break, Bret. But yeah, plugs plug for a reason!
- Matt Harwood
We were testing our new "low power" configuration... ;)
- Paul Buchheit
Shut the front door! Power cords have to be plugged in to work? Who knew?
- EricaJoy
Low power is no power :)
- Roberto Bonini
Ha! another lesson here: http://friendfeed.com/e... :)
- directeur
Well, you guys obviously aren't advanced. You don't have a fail animal at the ready. :)
- Ontario Emperor
You can take saving energy too far, I think.
- Chris Baskind
It's the last mile that's always the tough one. Er, the first mile I guess.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
Welcome back.
- Russellreno
Note to Bret and Paul: Hamsters. Fed well. Motivated by cattle prods. Running on wheels connected to the grid. And if that doesn't work: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk... Merry Christmas, and thanks for a great service.
- John Craft
John Craft - but how do hamsters scale?
- Ontario Emperor
Thanks Bret for trying to help me out with my friendfeed addiction but unplugging the server was taking it a bit too far, don't ya think?
- Robert Scoble
Ontario Emperor: we're ex-Googlers, we know a thing or two about large distributed systems :) plus, if it turns out to be too complicated to build a massive hamster cluster, we can upgrade to a few rodents of unusual size.
- Tudor Bosman
Rodents of unusual size? Remind me to stay away from FriendFeed's R&D group. I don't want to see the 300 foot mouse until it's past beta.
- Ontario Emperor
OE: about 3 ounces each. ;)
- John Craft
OE: it's almost ready for release. I'd want to release now and get some early feedback, but Bret and Paul want to wait until we get the "herbivore" trait nailed down.
- Tudor Bosman
Bret, you should try one of those new servers they have nowadays that works even if the power cord is plugged into an outlet on the floor or ceiling.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Have you ever discovered that someone unplugged a server to plug in a vacuum cleaner?
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
from fftogo
Bret - Hahaha that's funny! Maybe you've got a secret "green" employee trying some new low power consumption configs... *points to --------> Paul heheheee! :o)
- Susan Beebe
Did you at least play out the scene from 'Airplane:' "Just Kidding!"
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
LOL I was helping someone once. Step one: Did you know your desktop computer was unplugged?
- Mitchell Tsai
Bret - duck tape it to the wall ...er UPS!
- Susan Beebe
Twitte User? Use Tweetdeck or Else - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/twitte-...
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Any views on Peoplebrowsr?
- V Mary Abraham
I just went back to it today, but I don't think I will stick with it. I need an app, not a website to keep me up on the Twitterverse
- Bryan R. Adams
Thanks for the article and Tweetage, Chris.
- Louis Gray
Tweetdeck FTW!
- Susan Beebe
Ocarina: World's Bestselling Mobile App - http://whohastimeforthis.blogspot.com/2008...
Alex Nesbitt, Robin, Tyson Key and 2 other people liked this
I haven't tried this app out yet...YouTube video on it is cool.. Does everyone love it? download it or waste of time?
- Susan Beebe
I have it, the novelty of it is worth it but I don't play it much. It's neat to see and hear the other people broadcasting around the world (in the app).
- Ryan
Ryan - that's cool, I didn't realize the app had global sharing feature...neat idea!
- Susan Beebe
I've played it quite a bit. It's a fantastic use of the iPhone's technology.
- Chris Luckhardt
The Importance of Branding And Why You Might Be Screwing It Up Badly - http://www.davidrisley.com/2008...
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I've the FriendFeed OPML exporter working. Here's Bret Taylor's subscription list. http://static.opml.org/friendf...
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Or, show me all conversations that happened on first three hours after Chinese earthquake. http://search.twitter.com doesn't do that.
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we need a strong,open social search engine to span across all of the popular social sites with robust filtering and alerts
- Susan Beebe
Susan: This is something frienfeed should do... It would instantly become the one stop shop for social content
- peter huesken
"we need a strong,open social search engine to span across all of the popular social sites with robust filtering and alerts" -- I've been thinking about this. What are the best existing sites for searching news and discussion? A few: 1. Backtype 2. Friendfeed 3. FriendFeedLinks 4. Google Blog Search 5. Google Groups 6. Google News 7. Twitter 8. Youtube.
- Sean McBride
Hmm... could Friendfeed become the ultimate social search engine? A worthy goal to pursue.
- Sean McBride
Add Digg and Reddit to the previous list of social search engines.
- Sean McBride
yahoo search picks up 16 status updates on May 12 including a couple of Scobleizer tweets http://ta.gg/1qv
- Alex Nesbitt
Alex: there were thousands of tweets in the first three hours and Yahoo could only find 16 of them? Maybe that's why Yahoo is in trouble.
- Robert Scoble
I am trying to do something similar on www.twollo.com it follows the people talking about what you are interested in
- Paul Kinlan
Wow only 16... EPIC FAIL
- Susan Beebe
It's the difference between the real time web and the time lagged web.
- Alex Nesbitt
congrats to @jasongoldberg for selling socialmedian to Xing, see? Europe startups buy US ones! http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... Interesting deal.
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I like it Jason!!
- Erhan Erdogan
Loic, note this. This is a LeWeb effect! Europe rocks! :-))
- Erhan Erdogan
No doubt XING will now mandate two hour lunches and health care for all. The bastards.
- Chris Baskind
I'm not sure how in this global economy we can see any of this as patriotic... but mazel tov on a good mix.
- Noah David Simon
XING rocks. It's all to me that LinkedIn isn't. Like, actually useful...
- Frank Koehntopp
what? socialmedian has been acquired?
- Davide D'Incau
Who cares if this is at all patriotic?
- Shawn Farner
if you're interested in international market, Xing is the way to go. You really do see the world there. Simply amazing.
- Moushumi Kabir
Patriotic? AFAIK Jason was the only member of the SM staff from the states and I'm pretty sure they have plenty of international users. It's not like SM owes the US a debt of gratitude for its very existence, is it?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Truth is that this came out of no-where. After Arrington's shock comments at Le Web, our phones started ringing from European companies looking to prove him wrong and one week later we had a deal. (j/k) ;-)
- Jason Goldberg
Jason that is so cool :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
It'a a great move!:)
- NataliYesilbahar.com
Jason is a rock star! :D
- Susan Beebe
Congrats Jason!
- imabonehead
My new logo, thoughts? - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Getting ready for a blog redesign, with a fresh new logo. Thoughts?
- Jeremiah Owyang
from Bookmarklet
very clean. I like it!
- Eric D. Brown
i dig it - nice job
- Adam Singer
I didn't create this logo although I create them for others & yet admire your passion:)
- Roney Smith
Jeremiah I like your new logo, simple, straightforward and nice colors
- Susan Beebe
Id use your first/last name on logo.
- Patricia
+1 for including your last name. Other than that I like it.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Did you see that Charlene Li used Crowdspring for the logo she chose?
- Justin Guy Souter
from twhirl
I hired Mitch from StudioNash Vegas, so far so good.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Others have suggested I use my last name --but I'm hesitant.
- Jeremiah Owyang
It looks great. It's simple, and I love that. Far too many logos suffer from a busy design. But, I might be biased: Mitch is a good friend of mine. ;)
- Nicholas Young
@Jeremiah, to me it's a big part of your brand. My perception of you in the market is by your first and last name, and to me having it on your logo enables the viewer to instantly identify with you - particulary if it's when the logo is being used outside of your blog. if you're rebranding yourself as Jeremiah, that's okay too, but know that you might be losing some instant,...
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- Patricia
seen at least a thousand times the little circles around a simple title see here for example http://www.rapidsite.com/ I would try something more original but yeah it is tough I know
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Except for the blue circles, it's great.
- Cliff Gerrish
nice color but I'm not sure about the gradual dots... the feng shui master recommends me not to use it.. I use it anyway... http://www.net.co.id/wp-cont...
- Pico Seno
For personal branding purposes I think you need to include your last name in the title. I have no clue how to pronounce it, but when I see it I definitely recognize it. Ya gotta throw that thing in there or else you're just another "Social Media Expert" in the ever-expanding list of those who are named Jeremiah (I'm sure there are a lot.) Other than that one point, it's not too shabby! ;-)
- Brad Williamson
I like the circles, for what it's worth.
- Tyson Key
The case for the last name: On Twitter, you're @jowyang. Many people might not even KNOW your first name, much less associate the two. That would be 18,642 reasons to include your last name.
- Ryan Kuder
Ryan Kuder, that's the best reason I've heard so far.
- Jeremiah Owyang
loic the circles are a play off my existing header --it's part of my brand. It also represents community --which I study.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, it would be cool to include your last name and use one of the big bubbles for the "O" in your last name.
- imabonehead
I will have to agree that you should include your last name. When I first saw this logo, I didn't think of you at all. I do know your last name, though. Your last name is definitely an important part of your brand.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm sure you know this but you are the sixth hit on Google for Jeremiah. And the first that is a living person. And it happens to be your Twitter page.
- Christian Burns
Agree with rahsheen about your last name.
- Roberto Bonini
I'm sticking with the circles --but may add last name. Great feedback all.
- Jeremiah Owyang
It's very similar to a UK IT recruiter's logo
- Sally Church
LAST NAME should be on logo. Also now I am thinking those blue circles remind me of waiting for java or flash to load (i.e. sloooow)...may not be what you want associated with your name / personal brand. You're not slow :)
- Susan Beebe
I like it and agree with the suggestion to add your last name. Funny that you bring this up. I spent a few hours last night cleaning my page up. http://bit.ly/170aS
- Jauder Ho
include your last name - I agree with @Rahsheen ™ ★ ♫ and other commentators here.
- Torsten Eckert
without last name it looks like a tv show (and it could be more balenced including it). other than that - clean fresh and nice looking.
- Nicole Simon
Hey everyone, thanks for your comments. My name is Mitch Canter, I designed Jeremiah's logo. I thought it would be great to give my reasoning for why I took the approach that I did. The circles signify that the Internet is ever continuing. It also subconsciously ends (and completes) with Jeremiah (as in he's the end all for information) but that's more of a subtle twist. As for his last name, I've taken that into consideration and I will see if adding his last name is an option we can consider.
- Mitch Canter
Thanks for the feedback!
- Mitch Canter
See why I hired this guy? He's part of the conversation --I love it,
- Jeremiah Owyang
Awesome, that is cool... very fitting for you Jeremiah!
- Susan Beebe
How a Blogger Creates a REAL Full-Time Income - http://www.problogger.net/archive...
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Perhaps this is not the case here as described in the article, but several of these full-time bloggers appear to sell their so-called "secrets" rather than sell anything else.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
OH: If I see another blog post telling me how to use Twitter for business I will lose it.
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you mean you aren't going to line up with me at borders for the launch of shel's twitterville "how you can make millions on twitter" book? i just bought a new sharpie :(
- Allen Stern
I had Adobe Reader all ready for that eBook, Allen :(
- Matt Harwood
Hey now - keep the snarking to a minimum, please! monasfeed is not dramafeed!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
OMG MONA JUST SAID DRAMA WTF THIS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS ISN'T EVERYONE JUST AS DRAMATIC ABOUT THIS OMG
- Matt Harwood
You're not leveraging Twitter for your business? Get to it. Come on, carpet cleaners around the country should be logging on and tweeting their very best spot removal techniques and handling irate customers via 140 character responses. [ahhh, vodka, it's nice.]
- AJ Kohn
hahahaaaa! we've seen plenty of the echo chamber on that topic haven't we?!
- Susan Beebe
You talkin' to me? :P
- Andrew
On a serious note, I see no reason why twitter is an *essential* business tool. It can be useful, yes. But essential?
- Matt Harwood
"Creating a need" - perhaps? (I don't see it either, btw)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
New cottage industry Mona ... until FF takes over??
- Charlie Anzman
somehow we will see "Friendfeed for Business" coming in 2009 and then of course it will be quickly followed by "SocialMedin for Business"
- Allen Stern
OMG I KNOW THE CREATOR OF TWITTERFON AND TWITTERFOX WTF THIS IS HUGE NEWS FOR ME
- Mona Nomura
from IM
So bad, Allen, so bad... :-p
- Hutch Carpenter
What? You can do that?
- Martha
Twitter isn't essential at all, it's just nice for the people who are on it when a brand attempts to have a conversation. I wonder if a lot of the social media use for business is a bit overblown sometimes.
- Shawn Farner
Shawn - totally get it. Though some would have us believe the "conversation" can only happen on twitter / friendfeed. Companies can still converse on, crap what's it called again... oh! telephone! :)
- Matt Harwood
Or self promote.
- Mona Nomura
Business needs to focus on delivering a decent product and responding to any issues I might have with said product. Corporations aren't freaking people and I don't need to be having one-sided "conversations" with them.
- Eric P
hutch i got much love for ya :)
- Allen Stern
+1,000 -Allen!!!! Haahaaaa!!!
- Susan Beebe
<rant>Conversations take place for business profit. Just like corporate philanthropy is really an ROI positive endeavor. The medium may change but don't think for a second it's some real altruistic want for the 'company' to reach out and have a conversation with you.</rant>
- AJ Kohn
The whole "social media for business" is mostly just another way for those who know to make off those who DON'T know. "Buy my ebook about marketing on Twitter (cuz you don't know WTF Twitter is so it must be something you should market on)"
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Rahsheen: +31!
- AJ Kohn
It all depends on who's using it. Zappos, mimoco, and Trader Joe's are good examples of successful ways to use Twitter for business. But they fundamentally have good customer service.
- Mona Nomura
The three sides of conversation = What you say, what someone hears & the unfiltered truth that remains in the middle of the exchange.
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The fourth side: what we decide is the truth on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Ahhh....perhaps it's now dubbed as "Conversation.FF"
- Brian Solis
Then you have conversations overheard and supplemented with other voices.
- Phil Boiarski
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