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srsly. twttr is anover planet. umans R made 4 conversation. I cnt stand it anymore. I get frustratd. The only reason i'm hre is b/c of U ...
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Where do you prefer to be, if you don't count Twitter?
- Alexander
Please no conversations on Twitter - http://blog.thylmann.net/2009...
Kol Tregaskes, Alexander, Ken Stewart | ChangeForge and 8 other people liked this
2nd post I've read like this today....sigh...rules, rules, rules
- Sarah Perez
He has a point though. Twitter was never really designed for this. Hence FriendFeed sees this need and designs a system that facilitates conversations in a much more natural manner. Hence the conversation we're having right now. This would be much more difficult on Twitter if you and I were invisible to each other, but other people who noticed my post responded in a way that seemed random and out-of-context to you.
- no name
Then, things get completely out of control when multiple people are trying to contribute to the same convo
- Rahsheen the Dream
I second Sarah. If you don't like the conversation, there are plenty of ways to filter out the noise.
- Brandon Mendelson
I have to admit I do find myself actually having a conversation at times. More so than not though I express an opinion on a tweet not so much expecting a response. What are the opinions on that?
- Sloan Bowman
can someone explain to me why retweets are so bad. many times people ask for retweets so word can get around... rules suck
- BEX
What is a conversation? More than one reply by the same person about the same topic? I don't think what "Twitter was really designed for" matters much. Tools evolve to their most useful purpose for the individuals using those tools. Life is a compromise..
- coldbrew
Reminds me of Grabriel's worse-is-better (http://www.jwz.org/doc...) explanation of why C was more popular than lisp: "The lesson to be learned from this is that it is often undesirable to go for the right thing first. It is better to get half of the right thing available so that it spreads like a virus. Once people are hooked on it, take the time to improve it to 90% of the right thing."
- Todd Hoff
Jaiku på Google app engine. For real den här gången? - http://jaikuinvites.com/jaiku-i...
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"working hard to bring Jaiku back online soon.”
- Peter Lindberg
Nu blev den här dagen ännu mer spännande! :)
- Alexander
men NÄR? hoppar ivrigt upp och ner på stolen.
- Sofia Mirjamsdotter
Säger kanske inte när, men att: http://tinyurl.com/68hado
- Johan Bryggare
Varför gläds alla över detta? Bara för att? Min erfarenhet hittills med App Engine - prestandamässigt - är inget att hänga i julgranen...
- Claes Magnusson
Claes, det är nog inte bara för att. För Jaiku betyder det att det äntligen blir möjligt att påbörja den hittills frysta vidareutvecklingen av tjänsten och öppna upp för flera. Själv kommer jag först och främst glädjas åt att Jaiku är tillbaka :)
- Paula Marttila
@Claes: vilka appar är det du tänker på då? Jag har kört lite egna tester, och bortsett från lite hög latency (de verkar inte köra något alls i europaparkerna än) så har jag sett finfina siffror.
- Joakim Jardenberg
När man i Jaikus frånvaro kollar fyra olika ställen (detta, Pownce, Brightkite och Twitter) är det rätt tjatigt med dem som masspostar samma meddelande överallt, typ med Ping.fm.
Ningjing Chen, David Hall, Alexander and 2 other people liked this
iofs tjatigt enbart inom FF. Fyra fem updates från samma person med samma meddelande.
- Peter Lindberg
Jag tycker Ping.fm (och liknande) löser problemet på ett sätt som är sämre än att inte lösa det alls.
- Oskar Skoog
:) Medaljens baksida. Men bra hjälp för de med stressdemens :)
- Paula Marttila
jag använder Ping mer som ett ställe där jag väljer vilken tjänst jag vill använda. På det sättet är det rätt briljant ändå.
- Niclas Strandh
Tjompa - du påstår hela tiden att vi ska ignorera jaiku och prata med nån man håller kär- men inte fasen ringer du mig.. *darra på underläppen*
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Fan, jag mailade dig ju precis! Hört talas om förspel?
- Tommie Nordholm
Sluta gnabbas nu killar..
- Niklas Jakobsen
New Timeline Based Lifestreaming Service AllofMe - http://lifestreamblog.com/new-tim...
Alexander liked this
Macfeber - iPhone som 3G-modem med NetShare - http://mac.feber.se/art...
Detta kan bli en dealbreaker för mig vad gäller iPhone. Jag undrar bara... funkar det även till PC?
- Niclas Johansson
Is it over for RSS readers? - http://www.accmanpro.com/2008...
Tyson Key, Diana Valerini, Ricky Engelberg and 56 other people liked this
I find that Google Reader is making me smarter and is a great way to start conversations that make me smarter over on FriendFeed. FriendFeed lately has gotten a little too superficial for my tastes as we've seen a raft of bacon and other goofy things get a lot of discussion. Google Reader brings me a much higher percentage of smart posts with little noise, much different than Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
You are right. It is much less superficial. There is more intentional sharing, making it much more valuable then the basis at which Friendfeed aggregates content for you. If someone takes the time to write a post, and you have chosen to follow him because he provides value) the basis is already much better than FF.
- Alexander van Elsas
Robert - I like the playful nature of FriendFeed, but I also tire of it at times. Hide has been useful lately.
- Hutch Carpenter
being that RSS readers still aren't mainstream, no.
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
I think this is another way of saying "Has Robert Scoble declared RSS bankruptcy?"
- Nick O'Neill
from twhirl
@Cains: I agree. Those who feel the need to add friends in FF, in the same way they follow on Twitter, are at a disadvantage when it comes to the power (and, dare I say: personal sustainability) of FriendFeed. The goals, for me, of all of these services: reduction of noise, education, entertainment (a distant third). Everyone wants to mimic the success of Scoble: good luck with that.
- Blake N. Cooper
i think feed readers will keep working as knowledge bringers,sites like twitter,friendfeed et al however are breaching the distance from the reading the the conversation. inevitable also, is the fact that as services gain mass reach, the also average the content down to the middle. it's part of the reason "edgelings" move toward new smart-only-for-now services.
- Ruben Llibre
Robert, I agree that FF is a little superficial, but I this was *Social* Media, i.e. conversation/sharing/exchange, rather than *Intellectual* Media. It's more like a party than a seminar, as it should be. I would love a place to have purely intellectual conversations in a social media framework. I can get a little bit of both from FF, but it does tend to be varied and yes, at times superficial. I like that aspect of it, but I can see your frustration given your objectives for what you want to get from it.
- Steve Lowe
Most of my blogs readers still use RSS, they love RSS and were the early adapters as well. It's the blogs that depend on CPM advertising cash that don't want you using a feed reader.
- paul mooney
With a Google Reader reader like Feedly the information comes in looking good, and the integration with FriendFeed makes it easy to put anything worthwile through. I think motherloads of people still think RSS is something you get from using your mouse too much, so declaring it death is way too early.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I think the bigger item of interest is that the RSS readers are evolving. gReader includes notes, and you can share posts. All of the aggregation platforms do similar things. Basically, RSS is just the format, the display is changing. This is a good thing.
- Rob Diana
RSS hasn't climbed the mountain of the masses yet. And it will. Just wait.
- Jeroen Mirck
And I forgot, Jeremiah Owyang has started using imaginary friends for RSS feeds (http://friendfeed.com/e...).
- Rob Diana
Good Question !! I have stopped using bloglines and/or Greader for the most part. However, most of thoses RSS gets pipped into my FF 'imagainy feed" named "restofworld" . So content is still getting aggregated, However the vehicle for such aggregation has now become FF.
- Peter Dawson
These days firing up my RSS reader of choice is as stressful and inefficient as is walking into the magazine section at Barnes N Noble with the intention to "discover and catch up on interesting content". *Traditional* RSS consumption by human beings simply doesn't scale IMO. In the long-run we are all bound to call it quits.
- Aviv
IMO the fluff means that FriendFeed is getting more popular. If any system wishes to keep from trending toward entropy, it needs to be insular in some fashion, or require a deliberate push toward order. I agree with Jeroen, RSS will become more chaotic as it is adopted more widely.
- Phil Glockner
@Nick: forget RSS bankruptcy - has Scoble just declared FriendFeed fatigue? ;)
- Aviv
I agree with Cains. The movement away from pure intellectual discussion on FF makes me believe it's becoming more mainstream. It is inevitable. I for one welcome it, and look forward to services like NoiseRiver to help control the noise for those who are looking for a more filtered experience.
- Hao Chen
@Hao: I agree. I think that for many of us the existing FF "flow" is slowly becoming "too raw" for sustainable direct consumption (some say it moves too fast, content too random, noisy discussions, childish LOL cats, not mainsteam enough, too geeky, etc.) Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a flaw in the FF design - if anything, I think it will prove to be FF's greatest strengths...
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- Aviv
" FF "flow" is slowly becoming "too raw" for sustainable direct consumption" YES that is a fact. With that in mind, thats why my pvt rooms are important to me. I keep my rss feeds aggregated and still have quality content w/out any of the noise that I get on friends tab. FF is a dual edged. On one hand we can create convo's and on the other hand we can just use it as an RSS aggregator.
- Peter Dawson
J. Phil is right: the fluff does mean that FF is getting more popular and bringing in a wider audience. I'm not too frustrated by it, just hit hide and move on. But, I do notice that we get lazy and stop bringing in interesting stuff, so I'm redoubling my efforts to go to Google Reader and make sure that I bring a ton of stuff in here to make sure we don't just talk about bacon.
- Robert Scoble
It's not over by a long shot, but it aint mainstream either.
- Steve Rubel
I've found myself neglecting Google Reader too much at times as well, instead gorging on FF bacon :) I've been trying to get back into flying thru Google Reader with SHIFT+S at the ready
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I don't ever open up a reader. I just use Thunderbird and it's always there and up to date. No pain all gain.
- Todd Hoff
+1 for bacon discussions and other goofy things on FF. Mixed in with tech news of course.
- Mike Doeff
The use of RSS isn't over for me until more people from the hospitality industry move into using sites like twitter/friendfeed.
- Shane Keener
for me, working in media relations, RSS is the only way to scan a lot of headlines in various industries. RSS for news, FriendFeed for conversations perhaps. FriendFeed for commenting and opinions and conversations, RSS readers for REAL NEWS.
- Mike Lizun
My Google Reader is for me. It's for information that I don't necessarily need to share with others (like MLBTraderumors.com) or various other feeds that are in my industry (footwear). I use it for catching up on the things I know interest me. FF is like going to the local pub and catching up on the random silliness, tech news, etc that I may or may not be exposed to in my own personal day to day business. They serve two separate but sometimes overlapping needs.....
- George Smith
Hate to say it, but FF and Twitter have replaced my rss reader... I miss it and I don't.
- Andrew Hyde
Toluu is a great rss aggrigator. It is a community based app that identifies "users" that have similar interest to yours and allows you to see thier feeds and subscribe to them. I've found many great feeds and learn much more than casual browing could accomplish
- Scott Schang
from feedalizr
Well, for RSS it's definitely not. RSS is a standard. RSS Readers are clients. What you are referring to is if RSS Readers per se are dead. Which my answer is definitely not. I'm still very much addicted to Google Reader, and sometimes I have http://snackr.net playing on my monitor. IMHO, of course.
- Jorge Escobar
Not even close. RSS is a major part of my daily routine. The problem with things like FriendFeed is that it's all about buzz, and little actual content. 99 people ranting about the same exact thing. I suspect PR and marketing folks have largely saturated it already, just as many tech blogs are nothing more than reformatted press releases. RSS feeds let me easily keep tabs on sites I trust. Not to mention RSS is used all over backends for most Social sites as well as news sites. It's the true news api.
- Robert Accettura
RSS is far from dead, and that said,does anything truly die on the internet, I know lots of people who still use news servers (news://). plus I agree with Scoble, RSS readers make me smarter. I start everyday off with Google Reader reading the news, trade publication articles and other stories that expand my knowledge. I then head over to FriendFeed & SocialThing to see what others think is interesting and what they are talking about.
- nick carrasco
I abandoned Google Reader when I started using FriendFeed. RSS readers are too cluttered and social filtering of RSS makes for far better content discovery.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk, Google Reader is not the best tool for content discovery, but that's not what I use it for. I use it for staying current with content channels I've already discovered.
- J. McConnell
for me, there is still lots of information that I don't get on ff or twitter, but do in google reader. I often find a good bit of new .NET tips that I don't think I would otherwise see. I think it's a bit too soon to cast off RSS readers until everyone is pushing all of their updates to all [important] services.
- Steve Long
from twhirl
GReader is for slow and indepth consumption, Friendfeed is fast food. I like both, but they say too much fast food is unhealthy.
- Alexander van Elsas
I still use my Bloglines account regularly as it's the best way to keep up with sites that I like to read on a regular basis in a format that makes sense for me. RSS and stuff like FriendFeed are different in similar manner to how watching TV and using a DVR are different. One just gives you random stuff based on someone else's idea of what I should see and the other allows me to control the content that I see much more effectively.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If GReader is luxurious dining out, and FF is fast food, then what would be a nice, custom home-cooked meal?
- Hao Chen
RSS readers are not even close to over! I get a constant stream of quality news and information, custom tailored to my interests. Still way better quality than anything I could get from a social networking site such as FriendFeed. I get much less noise from my RSS feed, without having to go through the effort to manually filter/hide stuff I don't care about, like I have to do on social networks.
- Jeff P. Henderson
For me writing a blog post is a conscious intentional act. If I subscribe to a blog I know I will get quality material (most of the time). Aggregation such as with Friendfeed is very different. too many sources and too many unintentional shares. As a result there is more content that is less interesting. In GReader you don't need filters, noise reduction schemes or whatever. You either subscribe or you don't. FF lets you consume fast, discover, but also gives you massive amounts of useless content.
- Alexander van Elsas
@Robert, quite the contrary - Google Reader has become even more important to me and its still the first place I go. Much less noise and topics I care about right away as well as smart recommendations. FF's strength is its ability to handle conversations. A combination of both would be utopia for me.
- Ron Emrick
i think this has been a case of "narrative bias" (e.g. i'm bored with it so the whole world must be bored with it as well). RSS readers (particularly GReader) are stronger than ever. Google Reader is an integral part of my information gathering/filtering/sharing (e.g. sharing via FF).
- ~C4Chaos
I think people will become even more selective with what feeds they add to their reader and will look for personal recommendations for those 'hidden gem' blogs that they don't know about yet, but would love.
- Caleb Elston
I think that RSS Readers need a few new features to make them feel less like email clients. First I'd like the ability to set a time to live for the articles in some blogs. It's ok to miss articles from one feed because if it's important it'll show up somewhere else later, a lot of people say that's they switched from RSS readers to twitter.
- Shawn McCollum
Next is to add a feature to manage the "me too" posts. I've been reading my feeds via a tag cloud where the important to me articles bubble up, sometimes by shear number of posts (iphone related). From my cloud I click on say iphone and I can view all the posts about the iphone, see if it's interesting read or mark read. It's really cut down the time I spend reading just to catch up on what's going on.
- Shawn McCollum
when feedreaders are better at whitelisting items for my attention i'll probably get hooked again but i stopped regularly using a feedreader nearly four years ago and have done just fine letting my friends filter the web for me (that's what social media means to me).
- Christian Crumlish
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