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- alfred westerveld
So, in your opinion, be honest now...is Friendfeed still alive and kicking? (update: seemingly so. :) )
Mitchell McKenna, Alfredo, LonelyBob and 61 other people liked this
yes. very much so.
- John Wang
Yes, but has started to develop some health problems and needs a doctor's visit.
- Alex Scoble
It is for me
- Mo Kargas
Yep
- Johnny Worthington
It definitely is for me.
- Curtiss Grymala
I just got here. It's the best platform.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
for me it is .................
- VAL D. Zone
It's still kicking :). A little less a guess but still :)
- alfred westerveld
Yes.
- Jim Is Not Smart
hell ya ......!
- johnpiercy
Yup.
- Spidra Webster
Hell yes it is! All the fine dudes and finest bitches still be rocking the Casbah daily and nightly here on the station with it all! K-FFD!
- Morgan Haley
Yep, still kickin'!
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
Does a bear poop in the woods?
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Ok, so I don't live here anymore, but I still check in for conversation and positivity.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
for sure
- Josh Haley
Still alive but the momentum and will to live is gone -- and the sale and virtual abandonment was like shutting out the lights in the middle of a party -- a signal for everybody to go home.
- Brian Sullivan
wow. For you maybe, Brian.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Yes!
- Anne Bouey
But I am still here.
- Brian Sullivan
Yep. Certainly not as crazy as it was 'back in the day' but it's definitely still kicking.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm making a concerted effort to pop in and find some great stuff to share
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
As far as I can tell, it's still alive.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
TBH, I feel like I use FF much more now that before the acquisition. So for me, yes, it's very much alive and kicking. 8^D
- Chieze Okoye
I'm tellin' ya: it's the librarians' fault.
- cecily
Yep
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
The Google real-time announcement certainly didn't hurt!!!!
- Charlie Anzman
Honestly, it's not that much different -- plenty to chat about, and plenty to chat with -- and it's still storing all my web finds perfectly. There's an extremely considerate and passionate community. So... sure!
- Christopher Galtenberg
yep
- Wayne Sutton
Yes.
- pea
Yes.
- Kamilah Gill
Yes
- Bonnie Foster
Somewhat less so than the previous old days...
- TrafficBug
being bought by Facebook has definitely dampened my enthusiasm, but yeah, its still alive and kicking
- Jeffrey Canton
Still seems pretty lively to me.
- Gordon Herd
This was asked eight hours ago and has gotten 19 likes so far. Not a resounding "yes."
- Robert Scoble
Compare to @ericschmidt who was added to 700+ lists and 12,000+ followers in 24 hours over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But 34 comments, and nearly all "Yes".
- Nils Sandin
Nils: sorry, that's not a resounding yes either. 34 people do not a service make.
- Robert Scoble
yes, affirmative.
- bora "head" basman
The service works for me, so I don't fret about the other new or old services. Both have their place.
- Nils Sandin
werd.
- imabonehead
Haha. I must say I'm starting to see more and more threads like this. The discussion is definitely coming back.
- Roberto Bonini
Twitter for headlines, FF for discussions.
- Nils Sandin
it is to me
- barbarars
It is to me - it all depends on what you make of it
- Jesse Stay
Who is here is replying "yes". Who's not here any more just won't reply. The fact is few weeks ago you wouldn't have asked :) [ah, this means it is not kicking as in the past]
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
I would say yes. It had a slump period for me for a couple of months, but now I'm putting more in it and getting more from it in return.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes!
- Iván Abrego
Tricky question. Nothing else out there has this feature-set, and AFAIC that's the killer, I use FF because it's the best platform. Maybe some people drifting away since the sale, but OTOH there are new people joining. My buddies Nat and Brent from Calgary both joined around the time of the sale and have both really gotten into it. I have more discussions here than on Twitter, and I think that's true for a lot of people.
- Louis Simoneau
And @Scoble: the fact that you don't get 12 000+ followers on FF makes it less attractive to social media marketing types, which actually makes it BETTER as a platform for meeting and interacting with real people. I have 'friends' on Twitter that I've back-and-forthed with a few times but couldn't really tell you much about, whereas here, I feel like I really KNOW people like Derrick, Jandy, Monique, etc.
- Louis Simoneau
Yup
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
its going to die soon
- Farshad
FF is like a small country town. Not a big population but people stop and say "hello".
- Barak B
Yes, indeed!
- Andrew Terry
Is this a bit like a band you feel you've discovered becoming mainstream?
- plooptionary
Yes, it's very much alive and kicking!
- Michael Fidler
+Louis Simoneau (& I answered above earlier)
- Kamilah Gill
as far as I can tell, yes.
- Derek Coward
I'm here
- Jimminy Fuller
Still alive. :)
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
You bet. Still the best interface and most interesting conversations
- Alan Morris
from iPhone
Yep. Cranking along just like Jaiku.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yep, I just saw that one of those Twitter Social Media Guru's found the place and followed 4k people in 5 minutes.
- Jimminy Fuller
...
- ★ Soner Gönül
yes. those who say otherwise can go somewhere else.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Hey Zee, from what platform did you originally post your question? I'm seeing it via Friendfeed by way of a friend.
- Rich Reader
@Rich on friendfeed itself
- Zee.
Only to some hardcore dedicated FF'ers. Other then that its just here for Robert Scoble to come on and preach how every worthy tech person he follows is on Twitter and how this site is dead.
- CW™
No. We're all dead. Go away.
- Mistletoe Glen
I'm standing under the Mistletoe O_O
- Micah Wittman
Zee, regarding your question, and I'm no Godin apologist, but his '1000 true fans' comes to mind http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
- Micah Wittman
And regarding Robert's statement, OF COURSE a founder of Google will get thousands people who click the follow button. Then what? I look forward to Eric having 12,000 individual conversations this week, so someone ping me when that happens :) I've gleaned more valuable insights into the thought process and perspective of Google/Googlers from being in and around the conversations started by DeWitt on Friendfeed than I have in any other way.
- Micah Wittman
I'm not done yet. Christopher Galtenberg http://friendfeed.com/zee... and Louis Simoneau http://friendfeed.com/zee... make great points.
- Micah Wittman
Sure is
- Herb Hernandez
I have to excuse myself for not being very active for quite a while: I was being busy organising the Dutch Bloggies. I do think FriendFeed is still alive, but I sure wished there were more Dutch people to keep up a conversation with. It's making it difficult, now I'm out of organising for a week, to start up being involved again. I'm jealous at the Egyptian & Italian people, who seem to have a whole community here.
- Ton Zijp
Friendfeed is immortal, perfect, the best. Friendfeed will never die. ... in fact, the end of behemoths like Facebook and Twitter will be tweeted on Friendfeed.!
- Petr Buben
Always..!
- ★ Soner Gönül
Just got back into using FF more heavily and find it much more enjoyable to any of the Twitter clients I've found. I can actually engage with the people that I "follow" and learn more about them and find interests instead of just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff like I feel I do on Twitter
- Ian Rudy
still here.
- Mike Nencetti
alive
- gemella
kick
- Kevin Fox
Yes. The primary thing that has changed is the content.
- Steven Perez
And it no longer buys us flowers anymore, the bitch.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think this thread proves what is fact....
- Mathew™ one of a kind
WOW - I guess so!!! May have to come off digest...
- Robyn Hawk
O Hai There! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Am I the only one who got tired of responding to posts that ask if the site is still alive? "Charlie, you there? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you here me *now*?....I gave up on 'em after Scoble's 2nd one. Just ignore
- Itachi
Should I upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 for $30 (.edu discount via my wife) or should I just switch to Ubuntu full time? Flash video and DVD watching and general web browsing are about all I do with my laptop anymore. I've been running Ubuntu VMs for programming in my spare time - I guess I could run a Windows VM if I missed it.
Michael R. Bernstein and Kenton liked this
Take the upgrade. Even if you decide to use it in a VM you can't beat the price.
- Kenton
For that price update :). I think windows 7 is a lot better then vista.
- alfred westerveld
Go Ubuntu.
- Michael R. Bernstein
make the break and take a clean departure, unless you need something that cannot be run in wine. Tho, if you think you might need to use windows for some reason - testing for example - then take the offer
- alphaxion
I #BlameDrewsCancer for @drew needing a second lymph node removed for biopsy. See his post: http://www.drewolanoff.com/post...
Anne Bouey, rowlikeagirl, alfred westerveld and 7 other people liked this
NOT Like!
- Jesse Stay
yes exactly. NOT LIKE. poor drew. :(
- Call me Bronco
:((
- Rochelle
Do not like :( Wishing Drew the best of luck!
- Tamara
Dammit, I am crossing everything I can cross for it not to be cancer again. :-(
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Bugger. What shitty news. Keeping everything crossed for a positive outcome.
- Andrew Terry
Agree, DISlike.
- Kate
A like I DISLIKE :D. Keep hanging in there Drew.
- alfred westerveld
Cancer sucks.
- Dawn
should i dye my hair red or dark?
Jimminy Fuller and T. Brent, technopeasant liked this
Red
- Alex Scrivener
hmmm so red is winning right now, i'm excited to see which one wins at the end of the night
- Marissa
Red.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Rojo.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Red.
- SAM
yes.
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
Scarlet
- RAPatton
I have one voter from FB who would like to vote dark. but red is still ahead
- Marissa
red
- VAL D. Zone
Red
- Beau Liening
Pitch black mehbe with red highlights
- Itachi
Red. More flexible. You could still even rock a goth look, depending on the shade of red.
- Andrew C
haha I am not goth by any means. lol the red i'm looking at is more auburn
- Marissa
Dark is a colour? I say doomsday black
- Mo Kargas
I'm partial to red anyways, for what that's worth. I suppose if I were you the tiebreaker would be which went with my clothes more. =)
- Andrew C
depends what kind of feeling you wanna create with it
- Nia
haha a dark brown.... lol and i have a good variety of clothes so it wouldnt make much of a difference, and i dont know what feeling i want to create
- Marissa
Go the sinister feeling, I love that one
- Mo Kargas
red. redredred.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
RED!
- nakachi
REDRUM!
- Mo Kargas
red is still winning.... really? no votes for dark?
- Marissa
I vote for dark
- Mo Kargas
for those of you who voted.... see newest post lol
- Marissa
I say don't change your hair at all. Looks good in your profile picture
- alfred westerveld
so, from my count its 12 red, three dark, one blonde.... poll closes at midnight tonight.... and with that i will dye my hair that color this weekend. or maybe, actually next week... i have finals to study for this weekend
- Marissa
I think you should dye your hair the color you feel.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
lol i cant decide, i've been going back and forth between red and dark
- Marissa
Flip a coin
- Mo Kargas
haha that seems too random... i'll stick with majority rules... then when i get bored with that color (usually about a month or two in) i will do the other one
- Marissa
Too random? There's a 50% chance either way :D
- Mo Kargas
Essence of black.
- Itachi
lol not random like that, lol i know its fifty-fifty. but it just seems so meaningless. like "heh..ok." lol
- Marissa
0_0 oooookkkk ;D
- Mo Kargas
DO NOT QUESTION MY LOGIC lol because it wont get you anywhere hehe
- Marissa
Yeah, I'm not a fan of logic either
- Mo Kargas
Red is hard to maintain, and black is hard to change when you want another color. Go with an auburn or dark brown
- Shevonne
I wouldn't do black... Its between the auburn and the dark brown like you said =]
- Marissa
Either would look nice. :)
- Shevonne
I change my vote... no dye.
- SAM
lol you change your vote?! is that even allowed? @Shevonne, thank you
- Marissa
Not sure... your rules I guess. After refusing the confines of your binary query I thought of what I would really recommend. Then again it's totally your choice and what ever makes you feel confident being you is the way to go. Confidence way more appealing than pretty much anything else. But if you going with Red.... *wolf whistle* :)
- SAM
haha I'm bored with the blonde I have now... I've been leaning toward red for a while, I bet I can rock it. lol the dark brown is easy to pull of though. but red is good for xmass..... haha i dont know. normally I would just cut my hair. but since I'm growing it out, I'll have to resort to dying it. or maybe, since I'm broke and probably cant afford hair dye, I'll stick with what I have
- Marissa
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- alfred westerveld
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winz@gmx.us one for me pls.
- Wins Fern
numancebi [at] gmail - Thanks.
- Numan Arda Çebi
hherbzilla at gmail
- Herb Hernandez
I really appreciate that, Thanks
- ardiba
Sure andersonrj at gmail dot com
- Robert Anderson
Hi Mario I would sure like to have a google wave invite. alfredwesterveld@gmail.com. Thanks
- alfred westerveld
Mario forget us :(
- Alp Özgirgin
invitations sent out. what should i forget, alp?
- Mario
please send me one oscarplazadiez@gmail.com
- Oscar Plaza
I do! ageor7 at gmail.com. Thanks :)
- Alexandros Georgiadis
from PeopleBrowsr
pleeease send one to emotoha@gmail.com
- Tony Touch
ok, sent. 4 more to give away!
- Mario
@mario i waiting come to invite :) Regards
- Alp Özgirgin
best regards Mario
- Oscar Plaza
@mario. Oops I typed my -e-mail address wrong it is alfredwesterveld@gmail.com. I would sure like an invite :)
- alfred westerveld
sorry, alp. i don't understand, what you're saying.
- Mario
:( not coming invate :(
- Alp Özgirgin
ok alfred. i sent you another one.
- Mario
alp, be patient.
- Mario
3 more to give.
- Mario
allright :))
- Alp Özgirgin
@Mario thanks for the invite :).
- alfred westerveld
I would very much like a wave invitation! Thanks in advance - differentreality@gmail.com
- stellitsa
if still have,please send one to andry.peng at gmail dot com,thanks!
- hendrypeng
in case I got lucky, wanghuahit at gmail dot com many many thanks
- rock
send one invitation please to zagublennaja@gmail.com
- Tony Touch
please send me one to giri79189@gmail.com. All are just asking but none is sending invitations :(
- giridhari
invitations take some time to arrive in your inbox. you have to be patient. i sent invitations to all above.
- Mario
alright. all invitations are out. no more invitations to give. sorry @tony, you only get one. @all be patient and have fun then!
- Mario
Hi Mario, Can you please send me one invitation please? shivsun@GMAIL.COM
- Bhaskar
hey anyone who has an invite please send me one Cyberfennec(at) gmail (d ot)com
- keegan maloney
Thanks, Mario :)
- Alexandros Georgiadis
i need i need . please send too pooramezan@gmail.com or pooramezan@live.com
- Mohamad Pooramezan
I need, please send to olvia67@gmail.com
- Sergei Moskalenko
Apparently just got 'a few' more Google Wave invites ... drop your e-mail below if you wanna play :)
Ciaoenrico, Carlos Ayala and alfred westerveld liked this
Please? markows@gmail.com
- Sam Markow
I wanna play :). alfredwesterveld@gmail.com
- alfred westerveld
Make that 16 .... Sam, Alfred ... Let me know how long it takes ... Just curious
- Charlie Anzman
Ok, fine, I'll cave! tinapbeana at the gmail
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'll give it a whirl: slowe64 at gmail
- Steve Lowe
could I please have one ;)? lucaswilson@mac.com
- Luke Wilson
christopherfitton@hotmail.com - thanks in advance
- Christopher
Are random people allowed to play? If so, mmbattle@gmail.com :-)
- Jerry Spiderman
Slow down you guys!!!! Up to Lucas so far :) Chris, Jerry next. (Can I charge money for these ??!! :)
- Charlie Anzman
Hey Charlie, late to the party but thanks for the great offer. If any are left: ghabermann@gmail.com Cheers!
- smoMashup
9 down ... 9 to go (Now THIS is real time ....!)
- Charlie Anzman
omaitargh (at) gmail.com thanks in advance"!!!!!!
- Omaita
@charlie. Thank you very much :) Now I can finally play with google chrome because you hear a lot of people talking about it :).
- alfred westerveld
Mine hasn't come in yet. But thanks a bundle in advance :)!
- Luke Wilson
Nothing yet, but thanks much for the chance!
- Sam Markow
Oh yes, please! ciaoenrico@gmail.com
- Ciaoenrico
Ummm. maybe I am just super impatient but do the invites take a while to process :P?
- Luke Wilson
Luke - Experience from the last round was 1-3 days .... We'll see this time. Mark ... on the way .... 7 left ... Google's definitely getting one of my famous invoices ... they won't pay it ... but they're getting one.
- Charlie Anzman
You're freakin' awesome, Charlie!
- Jerry Spiderman
I know Jerry
- Charlie Anzman
:)
- Charlie Anzman
help a brother out ;) phattpharm@gmail.com
- Kevin Kruger
Done Kevin .... 5 left. I'll hang-out another few minutes to see if we can wipe them out (and wave at each other later or something .... )
- Charlie Anzman
I don't have one (abouey at gmail), but may i ask for someone else; I know my son would appreciate one even more than me, jnorris at gmail (ff co-founder).
- Anne Bouey
Jnorris is a ff co-founder?? Hmmm .... Sent it anyway Anne.
- Charlie Anzman
Yes, he is!
- Anne Bouey
Must have missed the memo ..... but OK. In that case .... he's getting an invoice too (a big one :)
- Charlie Anzman
There are four co-founders: Paul, Bret, Jim and Sanjeev.
- Anne Bouey
Thank you for sending one. :)
- Anne Bouey
Thanks - am I good? Did I make the list?
- Ciaoenrico
anytime ....
- Charlie Anzman
Everyone here did with 4 left
- Charlie Anzman
I'd love an invite russell.gronow@gmail.com thanks!
- Russell G
both ... done .... home stretch (I guess this was fun??)
- Charlie Anzman
Appreciate it Charlie and Thanks again!
- Russell G
No sweat Russ .... Now I really gotta get some stuff done ... Hope I helped a little. (and Hi Carlos!) ... later gang ...
- Charlie Anzman
Sweet, thanks Charlie.
- Mark Trapp
with apologies to Jim Norris (Duh?) http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Charlie Anzman
feexter@gmail.com pls
- Fixter Victor
Gotchya Victor .... For the record .... all out now ... but it was kinda fun. Did someone say FF was dead? I think not! Later crew :)
- Charlie Anzman
fatix54@gmail.com Thanks :)
- fatihdegirmenci
if you have anymore..? thanks! hanshvidberg@gmail.com
- Hans Hvidberg-Hansen
I got a ton more as well....will post soon. If gWave will cooperate.
- Itachi
Please send me an invite: brian.clanton@gmail.com
- Brian Clanton
If anyone has any Wave invites left please send me one palmerm10 (at) comcast.net
- Matthew Palmer
Guess it's taking a little longer than usual to 'lick stamps'. Not seeing you guys yet .... hang in there! FYI - Ran out totally after fatix54. Have fun!
- Charlie Anzman
Yep seems things are taking a while as nothing here yet :)
- Russell G
Russ - First batch I got were received in 1-2 days. Still not seeing anyone here yet Russ ... We'll see what the deal is this week I guess?!
- Charlie Anzman
Yup still no invite. I guess the are rolling them out in time ..... :)
- alfred westerveld
Yeah. haven't gotten mine yet either. But it hasn't quite been 3 days, so I haven't quite given up hope yet :D.
- Luke Wilson
Anyone get one (from these) yet?
- Charlie Anzman
Would love one if possible! Thanks a lot - danielpate@gmail.com
- Daniel Pate
Charlie, Thank you! Just got it over here!!!! ;)
- Omaita
Daniel - Ran out after fatix54 above..... If Google sends a refill, I'll re-post here. Just glad to see the others are finally being received.
- Charlie Anzman
jcunwired at gmail
- jcunwired
damn, story of my life, a post too late :)
- jcunwired
I will add you to my queue JC and Daniel I have 6 left if anyone else here still needs them https://friendfeed.com/ericlog...
- Eric Logan
Thanks for sending me one in the first place!
- Ciaoenrico
i want a google wave invitation can u send it to buntypinky@gmail.com if u have plz
- Ajay
Say for example I like to get email when somebody posts comments in this thread => http://friendfeed.com/mmastra...? Is it possible or am I overlooking something?
The only way is to receive notifications via email for any post you comment on (if you commented on it) or liked (if you just liked it). There is no way to just subscribe to one post.
- Shevonne
@Shevonne Thanks for the info. I liked that comment(which I like to receive e-mail notifications), now am I getting emails automagically?? Hehe I enabled getting notifications for my discussions, but then I always get email for post I like. I can't for just a single post if i understand you right?
- alfred westerveld
No, it's something that people have been asking to get for a very long time (me included)
- Shevonne
Okay. Know also me because this way I can get email explosions if I get email for every post I like. But I might know a solution (hack). Have to think about it a little bit. Keep you informed ;). Thanks for the info.
- alfred westerveld
Hehe thought I could fake it using search, But I see you can't get search to inbox :). Just have to hope friendfeed might implement it
- alfred westerveld
I'm 33 years and a few hours old right now! Happy Birthday me. :-D
sofarsoShawn, Nir Ben Yona, Morgan Haley and 143 other people liked this
Happy Birthday!
- Kenton
Thank you, Kenton! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday, Kol!!
- AJ Batac
Happy birthday, Kolin!
- Stephen Mack
Happy Birthday Kol.
- CW™
No pressies yet. Guess what? They are delayed in the post, LOL. Thanks Royal Mail. Thanks for being on strike all the time. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kolgratulations! :)
- Jemm
Happy birthday, sir. I hope you're having a great day!
- pea
Happy Birthday Kol! Have an amazing one !
- Wang Yip
Thanks, AJ, Stephen, CW, Jemm. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Pea. Well normal day at work, but I work for a games dev, so that's a pretty good day in my book. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
We're same age :)
- diego morelli
Thanks, Wang!
- Kol Tregaskes
Diego, it's a good age. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I agree ;-)
- diego morelli
It was actually a nice sunny day for the most part today. It's been dull and gloomy for ages. So the Sun came out for me today, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Kol! Have a great one! :)
- Dee S.
Happy Birthday, Kol! Thirty three was a pretty good year for me and I have a feeling you're going to LOVE It :) Best wishes, congrats and go celebrate!
- Holly Rae
Thank you v much, Dee. Hope you're well?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Holly.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- joey
HB!
- Spidra Webster
happy birthday :)
- Deniz (bluesign) Edincik
Happy Birthday Kol!
- OnuRC
Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Anne Bouey
Happy Birthday, now come to the point where is the party?
- ffcode
Ta very much, Joey, Spidra, Deniz, OnuRC, Anne and ffode. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy b-day Kol!!
- Derrick
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Joe Bonner
Off for a bit, back on in an hour or so. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Derrick, Joe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday, mate!
- Adrian Scicluna
Happy Birthday Kol! Have a great one :)
- Niki Costantini
Happy Birthday!
- scott anderson
Happy Birthday. Only do things you want to today.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
hb ff
- daveccorey
Happy birthday, Kol! :)
- directeur
Happy Birthday :)
- Rodfather
Many Happy returns, Kol. 33? Oh yes, It was back there somewhere. Not a memorable one, but left to my own devices I don't bother about my birthday.
- Ian May
Happy Birthday, President of FF!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Happy birthday! :)
- Tamara
Happy Birthday Ol'Chap!
- Carlos Ayala
Happy Birthday Kol
- Iván Abrego
Yay! Have a great Birthday :-)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Happy Birthday, Kol!!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
HAPPY 33rd Birth year anniversary, Kol!
- Helen Sventitsky
Doğum günün kutlu olsun Kol =))
- Atâletsiz
Happy day to you, Kol!! :)
- JA Castillo
Kol, Happy Birthday!!!!
- Mike Fruchter
Happy Birthday to the nicest guy on FF. (ew, that sounds so fake greeting card-like. It's true though, so I'm leavin' it.)
- Jim Is Not Smart
Happy Birthday!
- vicster is...
Happy birthday Kol!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
HBD
- Babak (Tanxy)
Have a great day, Kol.
- Kevin Pedraja
Happy birthday!
- Stefania Cabitza
Happy bday
- mikepk
Happy Birthday!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Happy 1/3 Century Kol!
- Steve
Happy Birthday!
- Chieze Okoye
Happy birthday Kol!
- Itachi
Happy birthday, Kol. Wish you the best :-)
- LouCypher
Happy Birthday, Kol! Best Wishes! Hope you have a great day
- Andrew Terry
Gosh! Thanks everyone! Well I was going to thank every single person so...
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you Ade, Niki, Scott, Jeremy, Dave, Directeur, Rodfather, Ian, TehKenny, Tamara, Carlos, Iván, Franc, MVB, Helen, Porschebenimolsana, JA, Mike, Jim, vicster, Tina, Babak, Kevin, Stefania, Mike, Tut, Steve, Chieze, Mo, Lou and Andrew! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And thanks for your comment, Jim. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Kol! I hope the future brings nothing but joy for you.
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Alex Scoble
Ian, yeah I celebrate my Birthdays less and less. Hopefully a few games on the way though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Beau and Alex.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol,Hope you have a good celebration ! Your thirties are great :)
- Paul Downing
Happy Birthday!
- Yolanda
Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Thanks, Paul. Well I better make the most of my 30s. It's the 40s soon - not looking forward to that. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Yolanda, Jandy. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday to ya
- ardiba
Thank you, ardiba.
- Kol Tregaskes
HAPPY BIRTHDAY -YOU ARE SAME AS ME :) ! HOPE THIS YEAR AND AFTER EVERYTHING WILL BE BETTER IN YOUR LIFE ...
- matmazelange
Thank you, matmazelange.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!!!
- Amit Morson
Thank you, Amit! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hope you have a wonderful birthday, Kol!
- Laura Lou Who
Just a normal day at work, Laura. Though got some B-day cards and a bit of cake back at home. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol!!
- Charlotte M
HAPPY B'day Kol.. !! Crap. am I the only Bloke who is pushing +45 on FF ?
- Peter Dawson
Thank you, Charlotte, Peter. Peter, nah, I don't think so. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- James Myatt
really do you think is that the good age ?i m the 33 now but dont think so :(
- matmazelange
Happy Birthday Kol!
- Penny
matmazelange, it's better than 34, 35, 36... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, James, Penny.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy 33rd! :-)
- Rene Wirtz
:))) u right
- matmazelange
Thank you, Rene.
- Kol Tregaskes
happy birthday kol!
- chrisofspades
Thanks, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bonne Fete!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
¡Feliz cumpleaños!
- Lo
Selamat Ulang Tahun!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Thank you, Nathalie, Lo, Joe.
- Kol Tregaskes
happy birthday
- Meral Alabaz
Aw, you kids are so cute at that age.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Happiest of Birthdays..................33 years old ...........boy both my kids are older thinking as I type this I am getting older by the minute.......................
- VAL D. Zone
Happy birthday!
- Admiral Anika
Happy Birthday!
- Tyson Key
happy birthday! One day I'll get down south and buy you a drink :)
- alphaxion
Thanks, Meral, Val, Anika, Tyson, alpha. Hehe, m9m. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday :)
- Farshad
Thank you, Farshad.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday Guv'nor! (That's my lame British accent) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Hehe, thank you, Jorge. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol.
- Carlos Sousa
Thank you very much, Carlos.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Happy B to the D...A...Y Kol.
- Mark Krynsky
(((cabbage patching))) Yay!!!
- rowlikeagirl
Happy Birthday!!!
- Marco Fabbri
Happy Birthday to you Kol!
- Thomas Hawk
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KOL :) You ROCK and make FF a great place to be, THANK YOU!! <3
- Susan Beebe
Happy birthday :)
- Timothy Griffin
w00t! Happy Birthday, Kol!
- Ayşe E.
Happy Birthday Kol ~ We're celebrating in Australia for you ~ hope the sun shines all day for you -/
- Chris Loft
happy birthday!
- Bill Kinney
Happy birthday!
- Kamilah Gill
Happy birthday, Kol!!!
- Micah Wittman
Happy birthday, Kol!
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Happy b-day Kol!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congrats on another year :)
- LANjackal
Happy bday Kol!
- imabonehead
happy birthday ^^,
- zʍıɔ
Happy Birthday!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Happy bday
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
happy birthday kol, :)
- chaz2b
Know I'm late, but Happy Birthday Kol!
- Bonnie Foster
Happy birthday to you :-)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Happy Birthday Kol! This year's gonna be great for ya! :D
- vijay
happy birthday to you and me :)
- Ahmet Soyata
Happy Birthday Kol and Ahmet :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Happy Birthday Kol and other friends.
- Mahmood Padura
your at 33 and I just turned 32 :) As of October 12th funny.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
from IM
Happy Birthday!
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Happy Birthday Kol! I hope you're having a wonderful day!
- Michael Fidler
Thank you everyone! I'll thank you all individually when I'm back from home later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Oh and Happy Birthing Date - Hope the year ahead is even more exciting then the last.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
Yay! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Whoa. Happy Birthday Kol! (My birthday's tomorrow - different age ;))
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Happy Birthday Kol. The years go quicker and quicker from here on out :-)
- Slappy Line
congrats on 33
- Robert Higgins
Don't let the decimal system get you down, in hex you're only 21 :)
- Eivind
Happy Birthday!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Happy Birthday Kol!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Happy Birthday kol! long live the gamers!
- Darth Farhad Sama
Belated Happy Birthday wishes...
- .LAG liked that
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
- Shevonne
Happy Birthday!!!
- mridul
happy birthday
- brainno722 (Peter)
happy birthday! (:
- Mor Büyü ★
Happy birthday tregaskes,
- Acharad Sami vanJoulee
Late but Happy Bhirtday Kol ;)
- ★ Soner Gönül
As promised: Thank you Rachel, Mark, rowlikeagirl, Marco, Thomas, Chris, Susan, Timothy, Ayşe, Chris, Bill, Kamilah, Micah, Bren, Shey, LAN, imabonehead, zʍıɔ, Mohammad, Zulema, N.G., chaz2b, Bonnie, Mahdi, vijy, Ahmet, Bhowmik, Mahmood, Raymond, Suezanne, Michael, Raymond, Matthre, Ahsan, Slippy, Robert, Eivind, victed, Mary, Garin, Darth, .LAG, Shevonne, mridul, Peter, Mor, Acharad and Soner.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you, Aracedi.
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats :)
- alfred westerveld
Thank you, Alfred.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy belated birthday!
- Arlan Koizumi
Thanks, Arlan.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I need the "As promised" list in alphabetical. kthxbai!
- Jorge Escobar
Pass. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
HAppy Bday
- siniradam
happy birthday!
- errorist
Happy b-day!
- Zachary TG
Thank you, Ron, siniradam, errorist, Zachary.
- Kol Tregaskes
Bit too late, but wish you happy then, to wish you anything anyhow. ;-)
- Dutch Bloggies
Oops, that last one was the wrong account. It came from me. :-)
- Ton Zijp
Pokey Polly just now wishing you Happy Birthday and many more!
- Polly Potter
Whoa ... Missed this HB to Kol! (Man ... you're just a kid :)
- Charlie Anzman
Thank you, Dutch/Ton, Polly and Charlie! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, yeah should read "33 years young" ;-).
- Kol Tregaskes
happy 33 and 2 days birthday
- Morgan Haley
Thank you, Morgan! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
ugh 2 days overdue - happy belated kolbot :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
No worries, thank you, Mike! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Birthday Kol!!
- jcunwired
Thank you, jcunwired.
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy belated birthday mate !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Thank you, Nir. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Re: Efficient model memcaching - http://blog.notdot.net/2009...
"But what if you just want to store a simple dictionary quick in memcache / datastore? Will simplejson for example be slow(er) then pickle or will pickle be faster?"
- alfred westerveld
The Python Runtime Environment - Google App Engine - Google Code - http://code.google.com/appengi...
I <3 App Engine. Sigh.
- Michael R. Bernstein
@micheal I don't understand :)?
- alfred westerveld
Merging Dictionary - Python - http://www.daniweb.com/forums...
Annotated link http://www.diigo.com/bookmar...
- alfred westerveld
“How can I get an RSS feed into Twitter, other than Twitterfeed?” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Vincent Wright liked this
So... how can I? :)
- Rodrigo
Right now you can do it yourself by using google app engine :). Which really kicks ass. The easiest implementation would be to perform a cron job every half hour and fetch the feed. Next check which messages are new and post them to twitter using for example the excellent tweepy python library.
- alfred westerveld
Re: Server-side JavaScript with Rhino - Nick's Blog - http://blog.notdot.net/2009...
"You are really posting some interesting info on your blog. Keep up the good work please :)"
- alfred westerveld
YouTube - Federer Amazing Shot at the US Open 2009 semifinal - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This is really a incredible shot :)
- alfred westerveld
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
Lu Tao, H0llywoodWh0re, Dallas Cao and 316 other people liked this
I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A.T.
*processing statement...*
- Micah Wittman
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently**
- AJ Batac
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks paul
- Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging?
- Jim Connolly
I second that!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Paul.
- CW™
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed.
- ashish
Thanks Paul for the update.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW
- Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah Wittman
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...)
- Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes.
- Itachi
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse +1
- Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited!
- Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer.
- ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
Johnny said it nicely here: http://www.johnnyworthington.com/...
- Mark Essel
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many."
- Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %?
- Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now).
- Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;)
- Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed
- Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen.
- Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy?
- Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul.
- Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet.
- Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now.
- Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host.
- Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;)
- CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words!
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Now this makes me feel hopeful!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon
- Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- Scott of Two Countries
Clarification is appreciated.
- DGentry
A respectable amount of information. Thank you.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Jason Huebel
yea - happy happy....
- Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
looks like good news ...
- johnpiercy
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Good to read.
- Grant Bierman
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :)
- 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes.
- ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
still curious, but understand
- Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
Exactly Eoghann.
- Itachi
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!!
- Rosalinda Mojarro
word!
- Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :)
- sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it.
- ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Good news :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base.
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Good to know.
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good point Jandy
- sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan Haley
Thank you.
- amygeek
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!!
- Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare?
- Patrik Johansson
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next.
- Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off.
- denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul!
- Charlie Anzman
is 27 today
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Happy birthday, Jess!
- Louis Gray
I would like to be 27. :)
- Cristo
Happy Birthday! :D
- Daynah
Happy Birthday :)
- Rodfather
Happy birthday.
- Andrew C
Happy Birthday!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Happy Birthday
- brainno722 (Peter)
Happy Birthday
- RAPatton
Happy birthday!
- ronin
Happy Birthday
- Herb Hernandez
Happy Birthday Jess!
- Wang Yip
お誕生日おめでとございます！！ ：Ｄ
- vijay
what they said! :)
- Mike Lewis
Happy Birthday, Jess! =)
- David Cook
Happy Birthday, Jess! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy birthday!!! May all you good wishes come true!
- Amit Morson
Happy Birthday!!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
oh cool! Happy Birthday! :) yeah let's come to the point...party??????? ;)
- ffcode
Happy Birthday, Jess!
- Anne Bouey
Happy Birthday, Jess!
- AJ Batac
Happy Birthday!
- Shevonne
Wait til you get to 28. I mean, Happy birthday!!!
- Derrick
Happy birthday!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Happy birthday!
- rowlikeagirl
Happy Birthday! (I am SO much older than you!)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Happy birthday!
- Darren Heydon
happy birthday!
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
happy bday, Jess!
- imabonehead
Congratulations and celebrations ;).
- alfred westerveld
Happy Birthday!
- BeeLing
yay, happy birthday.
- j1m
Happy birthday!!
- Tudor Bosman
harpy burpday :)
- Alvin Woon
hello mis beautiful
- junjun centeno
Bon Anniversaire :)
- Nicolas Dufour
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Raphael, Raphael
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
Experimenting with Friendfeed options for Twitter cross posting
Monday: share FF posts, comments, and Likes to Twitter
- Mike Chelen
Tuesday: share FF posts and comments to Twitter, but not Likes
- Mike Chelen
Wednesday: share FF posts and Likes to Twitter, but not comments
- Mike Chelen
Thursday: share only FF posts to Twitter
- Mike Chelen
I don't think it is a good idea to use cross posting because of a lot of duplicate posts which a lot of twitter users don't have interest in or other stuff. A lot of noise or something, but thats' my opinion and I might be weird jacksh*t ;)
- alfred westerveld
it makes me really torn, because ff posts can be annoying to read in twitter without any context, yet otherwise all twitter friends are missing out on activities here. one advantage of experimenting could be to help figure out what causes duplicate messages
- Mike Chelen
maybe sending only new posts is more comfortable for readers because this matches twitter's behavior of hiding @replies
- Mike Chelen
What the hell happened? Lindsay Lohan used to be hot. - http://www.photobasement.com/when-yo...
David Cook, Joe Dawson, anjelina and 22 other people liked this
ZOMG :(((((((
- Iain Baker
Cocaine is a hell of a drug?
- Michelle Martinez
Is that really her?
- Rochelle
Oh no! Someone hit her with Joker Gas!
- James Ferguson
More pics of her -> http://www.gossipbeast.com/...
- AJ Batac
yep, steady diet of cocaine and booze. :-/
- Anna Haro
whoa! Serious "Baby Jane" vibe! :-(
- vicster is...
I wonder why she went for the bleach blonde look when she looked so much better as a red head.
- Bryan Lee
Say wtf. Is this picture real or photoshop?? Else god damn
- alfred westerveld
ZOMG! ++vicster ♫ I've written a letter to daddy...♫ :|
- Anna Haro
@michelle martinez LOL!!!!
- Anna Lynn M.
WTF! :(
- Abraham Romero
yikes.
- Melissa
wow
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
she really doesn't age well? how old is she by now, 22? Or maybe it's all that yayao.
- sofarsoShawn
Drugs
- Shevonne
She's hoping to get the after role in one of those meth commercials...
- Todd Hoff
Fell out the ugly tree and hit every. branch. on. the. way. down.
- Derrick
x_x
- Anna Haro
Its really sad because she had a lot of talent. She still could if she could pull her life back together.
- Joe Pierce
oh my...
- DoraCula
for those who suspect photoshop here, look at her in court last week http://friendfeed.com/chaz2b... :o
- chaz2b
gross, she used to be so pretty. damn
- Marissa
she's 23. <O_O>
- AJ Batac
nooo way!!! =0
- Gtp19
She looks like her last dive was into an empty pool.
- Nick Martin
or... like what Derrick said.
- AJ Batac
best one so far.... http://kuvaton.com/kuvei...
- Nick Martin
OUCH! @hellonm WINS the Lohan Before & After
- sofarsoShawn
DAMN.
- Yolanda
ugh
- Andrew Smith
quite the fall for Lindsay.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Wow. That's just all kinds of wrong.
- Steven Perez
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
- Faraz Mullick
+1 hellonm
- Bryan Lee
To be fair, the one on the left is taken with full makeup on, professional hairstyle and from a flattering angle...the one on the right? Not so much.
- Alex Scoble
To be honest the one on the right looks like it was taken after Mike Tyson gave her a black eye and a blind person did her make-up.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
To be honest she looks like my deceased Grandmum.
- Faraz Mullick
ahhhhhh the hollywood glamour life ... partys , limos , many people giving you anything and everything you desire ,,,,
- johnpiercy
Lindsay Lohan the best anti-cocaine PSA there is! :)
- Bryan Lee
Use sunscreen.
- Amy℠
Best piece of advice, Amy.
- AJ Batac
poor girl must have been thinking a smile would make the picture better... probably not aware of her eyebrow jumping up.
- DoraCula
I would love to have such control over my eyebrows
- Haedeh
now - she is just a hag!
- Mekkar
is there anyone knows something about crossdomain user authentication in php?
2. domaine <div id="wrapper"><iframe src=".../outlogin.php?.."></iframe></div> ile bağlanıp oturum doğrulamasını yap, ordan dönen değişkenin değerine göre (1-0) 1.domainde oturum değişkenlerini set et. ajaxla, crossdomain authentication tarayıcılarda ayarlamalar yapıldıktan sonra mümkün olduğunu biliyorum. yani ajaxla direkt bunu yapmak sakıncalı. en iyisi iframe. tabi burda kullanıcı adı şifre yollarken de şifrelemye dikkat etmen gerek.
- birey
Openid is cross domain authentication. They use redirects to accomplish it
- alfred westerveld
Openid will do the trick, but ofcourse so will OAuth.
- Jillis ter Hove
I am *this* close to blocking a certain tech celebrity on FriendFeed ... seriously, dude?
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You too? I am really close to unsubscribing ...
- Kevin Mohr
from Android
I take it we're talking about the same person, lol?
- LANjackal
The thing is, he so many of his subscribers are in my home feed that every post of his they like or comment on winds up in my home feed too. I've actually blocked him before because 95% of what he posted was totally useless but got a million likes and comments. Now I'm considering doing so because I can't stand his bitching and negativity about FriendFeed. Especially when he has no alternative service to offer.
- LANjackal
Sorry. I'll stop ranting now... :P
- Johnny Worthington
Who?
- orionstarr
from iPhone
It's NOT you, Johnny ... and I think you know that
- LANjackal
It's cyclic, man. Remember a few months ago he was all down on twitter? He'll eventually move on hyping Facebook, about how all his followers should follow him there, then he'll come back to Friendfeed, and the cycle repeats itself. However, I find it annoying too. On the other hand, I continuously have good days of valuable interaction on Friendfeed.
- Andy Bakun
Tehehe
- Johnny Worthington
Same here. If he isn't going to participate in the conversation here and say FF is dead, then go elsewhere...
- Kevin Mohr
from Android
Kinda reminds me of the people back in college who'd show up to a party and bitch about how much it sucked and how it wasn't their type of crowd, etc ... when no one was forcing them to show up or stay. If you don't like it here, there's the door. But don't flood the community with unnecessarily negative vibes
- LANjackal
That son of a....
- orionstarr
from iPhone
@Andy: that was what flipped me out just now and prompted this OP. I couldn't believe that he's hyping Twitter as the place to hang out now when a couple months back he was saying the exact opposite. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but not to credibility. And IMO he's lost all of the latter
- LANjackal
I can still get plenty of information from FriendFeed even if I unsubscribe ...
- Kevin Mohr
I know, that's why I said "block". I really don't have any interest in what he has to say any more
- LANjackal
I've had it and I wrote a letter of complaint to the CEO of FF. No worries that son of a bitch is gone..
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Unsubscribed :)
- Kevin Mohr
I'm sorry
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
from iPhone
LOL it's not you either, Shey :)
- LANjackal
Ironically his bark, sparks life to the core community.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
In this case, it's absolutely toxic IMO
- LANjackal
Maybe a little poison didn't hurt this time around. But I'll continue to argue the point on his threads.
- Dennis Jernberg
@Lanjackal I am sometimes thinking the same about those people whinning about friendfeed is dying? Or don't you mean that?
- alfred westerveld
How I know FriendFeed is dead? Louis Gray's feed doesn't have many comments: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
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also mine doesn't have :)
- Enes TAYLAN
What comments?
- Jesse Stay
The rate of new subscribers to my own feed has slowed to a crawl. That's how I know. But Louis Gray's feed with hardly any comments? That's even worse.
- Dennis Jernberg
It's a Saturday at 1am, and the end of Blogworld Expo
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed has never been all that busy on a Saturday night. My inane screencasts aren't helping. :)
- Louis Gray
Thank you Mark Zuckerberg. You're the God.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
If you want comments / conversations, maybe you should learn another language: http://friendfeed.com/search... I see lots of turkish, italian & iranian commenters
- arjo
I'm still here...
- Patrick
Jesse and Louis: I love that you two are keeping a stiff upper lip, but, sorry, it's been very apparent to me that FriendFeed is changing. The influential geeks, if there were any here, have largely left and now FriendFeed is changing and will not be the same service a year from now that it was three months ago. I am writing a post that it has a future, but a different one. Be back in a...
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- Robert Scoble
The scary thing is that I know Louis & Jesse are in the same room commenting on this :)
- Mark Krynsky
My feed is always bustling, except on weekends (especially weekend nights).
- Beau Liening
With every negative post about FriendFeed the community dies a little. It's the MGs and the Scobles and the others that will kill FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
How do you know that, Mark? #wherestheproof
- Louis Gray
Regardless of the community I will always use it as a tool
- Jesse Stay
A community is only what you make of it.
- BLOGBloke
How you know Robert Scoble has nothing to do? He posts how a service is dead on said service.
- CW™
CW: true. But part of it is I'm hoping a thousand comment thread starts (that used to happen in the old days) telling me I'm wrong. So far five people have liked this thread and 12 have commented on it. That's not really a stunning refutal. Even for a Saturday night. And it's not the first time I've made this claim and it's not the first time I've gotten such a lukewarm rebuttal.
- Robert Scoble
Starting a post in the middle of the night on Saturday early Sunday, traditionally slow dead times for FF won't help.
- CW™
Sorry Robert, I'm not seeing the death. With any social network, there is a constant flow of people coming to and leaving the service. Sure, the early adopters will leave to play on the next new shiny service to come along. But there are still new people joining and still a core group of users that have been here for quite a while. Just because you are leaving doesn't mean everyone else is.
- Jeff P. Henderson
CW: again. This isn't the first time I've made this claim and at Blog World I had quite a few discussions with people who are noticing the same thing, even if they won't admit to such in public.
- Robert Scoble
Were back to the point in the cycle where Robert Scoble calls Friendfeed dead/dying.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff: I'm not leaving. You aren't listening.
- Robert Scoble
Could it be that everyone is sick of social media / tech reporting... NO... never... it couldn't possibly be the content... IT MUST BE THE SERVICE THAT'S WRONG... BURN IT, BURN IT WITH FIRE. It's frankly laughable that you base a service purely what you personally can get out of it in a professional sense Robert. Maybe FriendFeed is more social and doesn't fit into your self-promotion regime but my feed is still active. FriendFeed isn't dead... maybe you are just dead to FriendFeed.
- Johnny Worthington
It takes simple engagement to encourage comments on FriendFeed. I'm not seeing any less comments than I used to. If you ask the right questions, actually like things on FriendFeed (note that Scoble has stopped this), and encourage your audience to comment they will comment just as much as they always have.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: Denial isn't helping. Discussions and activity are down. Robert's reduced use can't be given all the credit for that. The radio silence from FF/FB leadership is troubling. There are absolutely a lot of conversations here, but not in all the places they used to be.
- Louis Gray
Watch Jason Pollack's threads.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I am. And most of the traffic he gets is coming from his Twitter accounts. When I do that I get engagement too. Even here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you HAVE for the most part left. A majority of your posts now come from twitter and your frequency of comments and participation on this site is way down.
- Jeff P. Henderson
it is disheartening, well Robert you are part to this "death"
- ffcode
Robert, therefore your community will follow wherever you take them. It's not "FriendFeed's community". It's "Your community". Bring them back to FriendFeed and you'll see it change.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: I can't keep focusing on a site that isn't getting developed. Sorry. That's not what I do.
- Robert Scoble
You people make me want to just shoot myself in the head,, cant you just let me have my fantasy for of a social network and let me pretend that your all my friends. Screw you robert... stop that crap,, your depressing me,,, I thought you followed me because you actually cared, or was that your damn autofollow bots ,,,,, and then he says friendfeed is dead hmmm wonder why.....
- Cjay
Louis, true, things have changed here on FF, but isn't some of that attributed to the normal ebb and flow that is seen on any social network? Not everyone stays engaged forever. It frankly takes a lot of time and effort to continuously participate at a significant level on any social network. Most of us have full time jobs that have nothing to do with social networks as well as family and other obligations for our time.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robert, there's a difference between "not focusing" and "focusing on something else". Why be negative about FriendFeed when you can be positive about something that's better?
- Jesse Stay
Because Robert is scared of being left behind. He has to trash the old thing so everyone thinks he knows what the next thing is.
- Johnny Worthington
Jesse: I'm mostly just poking the bees nest by my negativity to see what comes out. So far crickets. And that is making me spend even more time elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
STHUP! your killing me!!!!!!!!!!!
- Cjay
Robert, you do realize that it's 5AM on the east coast, right?
- Chris Heath
Yeah, I guess, in contrast, twitter has had a lot of development. They reskinned it inconsistently, and threw the hardcore tweeters a bone with adding "lists". Twitter has been stagnant for way longer than Friendfeed has.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff, I am as big a FriendFeed supporter as everybody here. If I hadn't pushed it early, this place would be very different. But I agree that people are moving elsewhere, even if this is still the best platform. We need to hear some guidance. Johnny, I understand your position, but Robert is not that thick-headed. He's trying to work with what is passed his way, and FriendFeed is stalled right now.
- Louis Gray
Chris: social media is world wide. When I was on the BBC the other night a ton of people all over the world contacted me.
- Robert Scoble
i'm just sayin'
- Chris Heath
Heh, everytime there's a "friendfeed is dead" comment, I notice that I had gotten 2 or 3 more subscribers in the previous couple of hours, _while_ I was sleeping on the couch.
- Andy Bakun
Robert, I totally understand your perspective, but I think you are a unique case. Most users criteria for using a site does not hinge on the rate of development of the site. Flickr is an excellent example. Flickr is a mature social site that receives few updates to its core functionality, yet it still has dedicate users that invest a significant amount of time there on a daily basis.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Johnny: at our neighborhood block party my neighbors have hardly even heard of Twitter or Facebook. Being left behind? I'm three years ahead of normal people. And I will go wherever the geeks go.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: I never want to be most users. But the problem with FriendFeed is that most users had never even heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
that happens to me too andy, i'm about to hit the couch in a minute as I've been up for 21 hours and it's 5am - if i had been drinking tonight there's no way i could hold this conversation.
- Chris Heath
Jeff: Flickr was a huge success with the early adopter crowd before it went to Yahoo. FriendFeed isn't even close to being in the same league.
- Robert Scoble
Part of my love with FriendFeed was what it COULD BE in the future. So now that part of my fantasy is gone and I must see FriendFeed for what it is, not what it could be. THAT is a HUGE reason why I have moved much of my attention elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
I will always use the best tools for the job and thus far this is it. I admit there is a lot of opportunity out there right now though so long as FriendFeed has slowed down their development. Until that happens, FriendFeed is the best tool for the job. That's not changing in any way for me.
- Jesse Stay
So why stir up crap like this post Robert. Smacks of arrogance and teasing
- Johnny Worthington
oh come on!
- Cjay
robert, if only friendfeed had a userbase the size of twitter, or facebook for that matter... maybe that's what i'll try and dream about tonight...
- Chris Heath
zzzzz
- Chris Heath
Maybe Friendfeed sold too soon then.
- Jeff P. Henderson
But Robert even if friendfeed looses all of its userbase the fact that it is a great place to have conversation can't be taken away
- ffcode
friendfeed is elite twitter is for everone else.
- Cjay
Johnny: now you are just being nasty. Why is it when a conversation doesn't go your way you have to bring up arrogance or teasing? This isn't coming from either of those places with me.
- Robert Scoble
ffcode: yes. And I'm pointing that out in the post I'm about to hit publish on.
- Robert Scoble
I think that this thread is evidence that FF is not dead yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
So Robert, where are the geeks going? FaceBook? I would doubt it. Its a closed system. Geeks don't like that. Wave? Well there is no one there and its a service that is a collaboration mostly. So where are the influential geeks that you are speaking of going? If they are not here why are you not with them instead of causing a commotion here with blatant comment bait threads? Don't get me wrong you start some great conversations. This though is a old one that seems to be on repeat.
- CW™
friendfeed posts on twitter doesn't make sense even though the reverse is still legit
- ffcode
This is NOT teasing with me. I've dedicated more of my recent life (thousands of hours) to FriendFeed. This is SERIOUS business for me.
- Robert Scoble
Well if you want someone to tell you you're wrong, the last time I checked FF was not your own private Idaho for just you and your pals. I'm sure it's not in FF's business model either. Check your attitude at the door and make this place a little more 'friendly' and inclusive and maybe (just maybe) things will warm up a little. On the flipside, I'm sure your tongue is also in your cheek and hoping that FF management is listening and will get with the program. Am I right?
- BLOGBloke
CW: I'm studying 5,000 geeks over on Twitter. Most of whom are investing time there but not on Facebook or FriendFeed. Businesses? BIG TIME on Twitter. Celebrities? I had dinner last night with the guy who works with tons of them and he said they all are very dedicated to Twitter (except for what's her name). Facebook is getting some adoption, though, in the geek community.
- Robert Scoble
Guys, even if Robert is outnumbered here, let's suggest he is most likely right and not make it personal. Robert has been a longtime evangelist of the platform and is personally invested at risk to his personal reputation. (By invested, I mean in time, not money, lest that get asked)
- Louis Gray
BLOGBloke: sorry. You are wrong. FriendFeed has NO PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.
- Robert Scoble
Digging in our heels doesn't help. We need to learn if this can be a place to participate with no further changes ever, or if we want to scatter to the winds. Today, most people are happy enough with Facebook and Twitter, and that's not debatable, even if we know there is a better alternative.
- Louis Gray
No. You are not right BLOGBloke. I do not expect Mark Zuckerberg to dedicate any more resources to FriendFeed because of my nastiness.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Louis well you are two awesome guys i have ever met and this happened through friendfeed, met a lot of great folks here. i think i know/ have some idea how you guys work and like you work till death attitude, and i respect that. but i would love you guys doing friendfeed more, remember the good old days ;)
- ffcode
Robert, I wish you were leading entrepreneurs to the opportunity and not leading them away. I agree there is a lack of leadership here from Facebook and the FriendFeed team, but to me that means there's opportunity. People won't discover that opportunity unless they are using FriendFeed. I'd rather focus on that in my posts and blog and elsewhere, rather than talk to the community itself. It's the entrepreneurs and opportunists I want to target, not the community.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting, I just received three new followers in the past 10 minutes. Not Dead Yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
ffcode, I don't think my activity on FriendFeed has decreased at all.
- Louis Gray
I'm using FriendFeed just as much as before as well (maybe even a little more)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I tried that for 18 months. It was OK when I thought FriendFeed has a cool future that was different from where it is today. Sorry, it isn't good enough for most people. For us, yes. For mainstream? No way.
- Robert Scoble
Louis i was pointing to Robert's i know you are here and it is great to have you here :)
- ffcode
I must have misunderstood you Robert... "How I know FriendFeed is dead?" is the perfect way to start a conversation on FriendFeed about FriendFeed...
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: sorry, FriendFeed +is+ dead to most of the tech community.
- Robert Scoble
hey hey I left twitter for a reason..... its just you guys are still chewing on it, im sorry but i spit that grisil out right away..
- Cjay
Perhaps this thread will shake things up around here. Let's hope so.
- BLOGBloke
Robert, not sure you're understanding - I'm saying now that FriendFeed has stopped development this is an opportunity for other entrepreneurs to take the lead ahead of FriendFeed. Let's push them to do so rather than pushing the community away from FriendFeed. When someone has something better than FriendFeed, then we can all say "jump ship".
- Jesse Stay
Robert, my point is the rest of us outside the bubble don't care. The world exists outside the Valley
- Johnny Worthington
BLOGBloke: Facebook has 300 million users and you think a thread with 20 people in it will shake things up? Sorry, that's not how things work. Now, if there was a thousand message thread, that might get some people to wake up.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: really? Where? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: when I talk with people outside the bubble they are barely discovering Facebook right now. Twitter is something they've heard about. FriendFeed? GIve me a freaking break.
- Robert Scoble
We're working on that thousand as we speak.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: so far I see 20 people participating here. When we hit 1,000 I'll come over to your side of the yard.
- Robert Scoble
Not everyone ON FriendFeed is inside the bubble... or frankly CARE about social media. You love talking about the car and it's parts, I love talking about where the car takes me.
- Johnny Worthington
Friendfeed to me is quality, an addtion to a mature social network like facebook.
- Cjay
Johnny: sorry. Everyone on FriendFeed is inside the bubble. If you claim otherwise you lose all credibility.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... I don't HAVE credibility...
- Johnny Worthington
Remember, it is after 2am here on the west and 5 am back east. Unlike yourself some geeks still like to sleep.
- BLOGBloke
i am with Robert his sample sizes are way larger than anyone else here and he studies them as in "study" yeah my friends laugh when i sent them my account link on friendfeed
- ffcode
Johnny: FriendFeed, at its height, only had a few hundred thousand users. THAT IS A BUBBLE. Actually, it's a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Come on if its that bad then go back to myspace and twitter and see what you get...
- Cjay
Cjay: my friend Luke and I had a drink at the Ritz tonight and I guarantee that was better than what you get here, but that isn't any way to build a movement.
- Robert Scoble
Still don't care about that either... That's my point... I'm here for the people and the interaction.
- Johnny Worthington
Robert, with all due respect, just because you don't get quality out of FF doesn't mean nobody else does.
- Beau Liening
Johnny: cool. That keeps me coming back too, but it isn't any way to build a business or a movement. Most people don't care and if they do most people just want to talk with their friends on Facebook. Really, does FriendFeed give most people a hugely better experience than Facebook? No.
- Robert Scoble
The whole FF/FB comparison seems irrelevant to me - FB is a walled garden, and if they move far from it they will disenfranchise the current user base who wants a closed community of their friends. FF has always been about public aggregation, not followers. If we wanted walled communities, we should have all stayed on AOL. (I keep waiting for FB to buy an old media news company - we'll definitely know they are the AOL of the future then.)
- David Lounsbury
Beau: you aren't listening. I'm here cause I like the people here. but that's not what we're arguing about.
- Robert Scoble
David: you are wrong. Facebook is no longer a walled garden. You must have missed Facebook Connect. Check into it. Look at Huffington POst. They use it.
- Robert Scoble
DO ANYBODY NO WHY FRIENDFEED IS DEAD?
- Louis Gray
Robert. That is where you and I disagree. I get a better flavor of interaction here then Facebook. I have friends and have made friends here from all over the world I wouldn't have just through my circle of IRL friends on Facebook.
- Johnny Worthington
David: most people DO WANT walled communities. Most people, when they post their baby photos are NOT like me and Louis. They mostly want to keep those private to just their real life friends.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is not dead.......whats dead is twitter.....
- Cjay
Johnny: you and I and the rest of the people here are weird.
- Robert Scoble
100% agree
- Johnny Worthington
Cjay: I really wish that were true. I hate Twitter (the company). I put a good effort into bringing Twitter here. I failed. It's done. Let's move on and admit that.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is dying, not dead. And to use Louis' posts at this point in time is ridiculous, 1. It's mostly BWE stuff which I don't give a damn about, no offense Louis. 2. It's the weekend. 3. It's 5:30 on the East Coast.
- Jimminy Fuller
And that is why I like FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: FriendFeed is not really dead. Remember, when a blogger says something is dead that just means it isn't interesting anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't this an argument that the best technologies don't always win? People gravitate to Twitter because any lamebrain can use it. Same thing for FB.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if people had this discussion about Geocities, Hotmail and Altavista... We like to think that the current time is the peak of innovation...
- Johnny Worthington
Weird, hey I resemble that comment!
- Jeff P. Henderson
well robert you keep what your kill I guess...
- Cjay
Johnny: yes, we did. Geocities IS dead (gone). So is Altavista. Hotmail is still doing OK. But among early adopters it's dead.
- Robert Scoble
My homepage is still Geocities
- Jesse Stay
facebook can be classified most folks there are just for that boy-girl thing or just to interact with the friends they know in real, friendfeed misses its good old days and i blame Robert for that, for my feed doesn't look that good now even with so many subscriptions
- ffcode
Robert, I forgot that, following my 3rd point about it being 5:30.
- Jimminy Fuller
if Mark is adding FF inside the FB feed then he needs to extend this silly 5000 friends limit as I can't use FB properly until he does
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: oh, did you just call FriendFeed the Betamax of social software?
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: Geocities is closing down, you will soon need to find a new home page.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody who would rather talk to the 'puter instead of people in the real world are weird. Goes for me too.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if in 10 years we will talk of Twitter and Facebook in the same sense...
- Johnny Worthington
I will move to Freeservers then
- Jesse Stay
Johnny: I think we will know a lot more about how the future will be by the end of 2010. You won't need to wait 10 years.
- Robert Scoble
Betamax! How old do you think I am anyway (*_*)
- BLOGBloke
RE FB Connect, maybe, but they're positioning it as a way to pull people in to the garden. From the site: "Enable over 300 million Facebook users to share your content with their friends on Facebook. " There is a pattern in that sentence...
- David Lounsbury
Jesse: what's weird is I'm not even sure what my home page is anymore. I mostly use Tweetie on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I am going to ask my Uncle to revive Freeservers (actually, freeservers.com is still around). That will be the new FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, by the way thanks for follow on FF,,,, see like i said Friendfeed is Quality, its not about quantity...
- Cjay
David: of course. Facebook Pages are open to the public and Google. That's where you'll see some "FriendFeed-like" innovation.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: the real question is whether I will add you to one of my Twitter lists!?!
- Robert Scoble
bahhh 8D
- Cjay
FriendFeed is dead (isn't interesting anymore) for Ex-FriendFeed employers, no new features, no upadates, no documentation.. and this is sad, because (hope) we'll see FF on FB in months.. and FriendFeed is still the most interesting way to discuss on Internet (sorry Wave, sad but true for now).
- CantorJF
What's worse here is that the positive Robert Scoble is dead. Assuming that Robert posts on this, his last posts will be on FriendFeed slowing down (Negative), on Startups paying to pitch (Negative), Digital iPhone cheapskates (Negative), Google Wave x 2 (Negative and Negative), Why Office 2010 will be locked out (Negative). That would be zero positive posts in October. I want the happy Robert back.
- Louis Gray
Me too
- Jesse Stay
Louis: I'm bummed out because FriendFeed is dead. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
+Like Louis :)
- CantorJF
Personally Twitter is a horrible service and Ap. Mainly because it has turned into MySpace. Everyone is there. YUCK. I've been going back to some of my old Forums and IRC Servers/Channels. Plus here on FF. I've been able to keep all of it up. Different groups for different interests. Look just because my Geek friends are not on here, but are on the IRC server they own and manage doesn't...
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- CW™
I like the happy Scoble
- Jesse Stay
As am I. In the meantime, I am excited about Pubsubhubbub and innovation in other places. I am stoked about the Salmon Protocol. I hope people saw that.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I've been more positive, though, about the iPhone and the app and business models there (developers there are rocking and rolling).
- Robert Scoble
I think we need to a (real) life. Maybe that's the answer.
- BLOGBloke
oh the new feature yeah yeah I saw that twitter lists god now my world has changed forever heheheh...
- Cjay
BLOGBloke: like I said, I was at the Ritz with a friend tonight. That was real life and was pretty damn good!
- Robert Scoble
homepages have lost their relevance, things are all spread now, people get to know you better from your social profiles
- ffcode
Louis, I don't want happy Robert back, I want to know what Robert wants and thinks coming in the future.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy: I think we're in a period of consolidation and that pisses me off! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, Jimminy. Just talking openly, as he is. I have a great respect for Robert, and on most days, I assume the feeling is mutual. I brought Robert here. Can he bring us somewhere else, or should I keep looking and let you guys know? :)
- Louis Gray
There's your answer and I've been coming to the same conclusion myself.
- BLOGBloke
Louis: I will follow you anywhere. But I will ask Jesse for confirmation to see if you are really onto something. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm all for going to a new/better service than FF....but so far, I haven't seen any.
- Beau Liening
I like this - together, the 3 of us will rule the world ;-)
- Jesse Stay
yes, the thruth is that if FF is dead I would miss it
- Luigi Centenaro
Beau: truth be told, me neither. But FriendFeed's limitations do piss me off. It got so close to something really brilliant.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I thought we already ruled the world.
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, shhh - they're not supposed to know that!
- Jesse Stay
Have you guys read Seth Godin's "The dip" Friendfeed is facing the dip right now. The dip is where success happens.If you manage to get through the dip, you can become one of the best in the world.
- Tapio Kulmala
What's really amazing is Rob is having a conversation with all of simultaneously and still managing to keep ahead of the curve. How fast do you type? 5,000 words a minute"
- BLOGBloke
Tapio: I would agree but FriendFeed's team has already been disbanded. So the dip is going to be permanent. At least that's my thesis and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I've been in the "Dip" for 10 years. There's still hope.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: I typed 35 words per minute with two fingers. Then I took a typing class. I'm a bit faster now. (Best class I took in college, by the way).
- Robert Scoble
I do agree that since the buyout, development has ceased. Hopefully that won't last too much longer and they'll make FF even better. I really hope FF doesn't get fully integrated into FB.
- Beau Liening
Funny all this is just RSS, and it would seem that if you want more, then you should focus on what RSS can really do for you, and not what you let a service like FF and TW do with RSS for you.
- Cjay
Beau: FriendFeed can NOT be integrated into Facebook. FriendFeed was designed for a million users. Facebook has 300 million. It would need to be rewritten for Facebook's infrastructure. That is NOT going to happen!
- Robert Scoble
That makes me feel much better. =)
- Beau Liening
My major was typing. I still have the diploma to prove it. Momma is so proud.
- BLOGBloke
What WILL happen is that some of the better stuff you see here WILL be rewritten for Facebook. Like Real Time Search. Or real time comments. Or better aggregation. Or better messaging.
- Robert Scoble
Still leaves FF in the dust though. =(
- Beau Liening
Paul Buchheit wrote Gmail. If I were Zuckerberg I'd have him working on messaging. Google Wave is a freaking disaster. Put a nail in that!
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure most of you know what RSS is right...and you do realize that this is the backbone of these services.
- Cjay
Beau: like I said, FriendFeed is done for the most part. If we see any more features I'll be very shocked. I'm just happy that the servers are staying up for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
yup google wave was a ripple if that....
- Cjay
Cjay: one of my best friends is Dave Winer. My son's initials are RSS (seriously, they are). I know a little bit about the subject.
- Robert Scoble
Not that I've gotten a wave invite...but from everything I've read about it, its way pre Alpha....I'll wait for the beta...
- Beau Liening
Jesse: the criticisms will probably end up bringing more curious users to friendfeed :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Beau: I don't think the beta is going to be able to save it. The only reason we're all paying attention to Wave is because it's from Google. Heck, that's really the reason I paid attention to FriendFeed instead of SocialThing or Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
It would seem to me that an open social network based on RSS wouild be the way to go.
- Cjay
would love to have more features on ff and i am amazed by this phenomenon called Robert Scoble and Louis keeping such a low profile, way to go guys
- ffcode
Mike: in my experience that isn't happening. The growth of new accounts here is slowing way down.
- Robert Scoble
Leo laporte was talking about this at one time
- Cjay
Cjay: RSS is making a comeback, but I don't think it's fast enough. We're not using RSS here to talk with each other. That's XMPP (which is one of the protocols Google Wave is built on).
- Robert Scoble
So if the 3 of us (Robert, Louis, and me) rule the world, and Louis and I both say stay on friendfeed who wins? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
get it? "Stay" on FriendFeed (just noticed that)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I thought we were using SUP, though it probably is on XMPP's backbone.
- Jimminy Fuller
It's 2:45am on a Saturday, and Robert is getting a stream of comments. I wish I had something to hire him to promote.
- Cristo
Jesse: again, I'm not leaving FriendFeed. So I'm a "Stay" vote too. But the three of us isn't enough, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
hmmm I thought this was just an updated xml file that everyone can tune into kinda like your blog feed
- Cjay
Robert, but are you encouraging others to stay on friendfeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: I thought SUP was only used for aggregating stuff from services.
- Robert Scoble
(/me likes "Stay" votes) :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: truth be told, not anymore. I spent 18 months doing that. To do that now would be a losing proposition for me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're right, I think it's time for bed.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy: yeah, I gotta finish this blog and then work more on my Twitter lists.
- Robert Scoble
I have the answer. We'll all pool our resources and buy FF. I've got 25 cents in my pocket and I can always raid the kid's piggy-bank. How about you?
- BLOGBloke
Robert, therefore you are outvoted by Louis and I ;-)
- Jesse Stay
BLOGBloke: I left Vegas with $100 in my pocket because I was too busy to gamble it away. So there y ou go! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And we also have a Realtime Distributed Environment in Socnodes, but Tornado is definitely where it's at.
- Jimminy Fuller
well jaiku is all open source now might go real good with google wave....8p
- Cjay
Identica is opensourced also, lets build a better Twitter and Friendfeed.
- Jimminy Fuller
I'm leaving Vegas with Louis Gray's money in my pocket - I can contribute that :-)
- Jesse Stay
truly - why the hell can't FF be integrated into the FB feed when they open FB up?
- Thomas Power
See Robert you just cant get this love anywhere else but on friendfeed....
- Cjay
Wrong Scoble, Chris.
- Jimminy Fuller
I was almost blocked by him, I had to talk my way out of that one.
- Jimminy Fuller
Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Cjay: you haven't seen my Twitter account, have y ou? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Looks like I was wrong. There's lots of love to go around here. Can you feel it?
- BLOGBloke
Here's my blog post, titled "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-sec...
- Robert Scoble
Does it involve Second Life?
- Cristo
So we should jump to Posterous? :-)
- Jesse Stay
No. Other than Second Life received a lot of hype, then a lot of derision, and now is a growing and profitable business.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse. You can. We'll wait here.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users. - Robert Scoble - are you absolutely sure, because why buy it if they can't? Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed. - Louis Gray
- Thomas Power
Thomas: my friends at Facebook tell me they bought FriendFeed for the talent, not the product.
- Robert Scoble
Louis what would you like us to do, we can only build it slowly not overnight?
- Thomas Power
This is one of those epic quickfire Scoble threads that I haven't seen in a long time. There's life in the old gal yet.
- Roberto Bonini
I think Guy Kawasaki is the next FriendFeed. He has involvement in Posterous, Tweetmeme (link tracking), SocialToo (utility), and Objective Marketer (analytics)
- Jesse Stay
I understand the need for talent Robert but why throw away the best product in the world when FB relatively speaking cannot hold a candle to FF?
- Thomas Power
Thomas: sorry, that is simply not true. FF can't hold a candle to Facebook. Why? Because Facebook runs with 300 million people on top of it. FriendFeed can NOT do that.
- Robert Scoble
Nope it's not Guy he's already too famous - only real geeks can build the best mousetraps - Guy's a marketing man
- Thomas Power
FriendFeed was built on a handful of servers. Facebook is running on 30,000 servers. TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCALE.
- Robert Scoble
And TOTALLY DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE. Not even close to the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly right Scoble.
- Roberto Bonini
Facebook and Twitter were both built on a handful of servers. Let's not kid ourselves. None of these services started out big.
- Cristo
@Thomas .. the best doesn't always win. Just ask Microsoft.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: it doesn't matter where they started. It matters where they are now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, of course it matters where they started. How else would you be motivated as a startup company starting now? Should Microsoft or Apple not tried because IBM was big?
- Cristo
Cristo: most of the startups I know are building on cloud servers like Rackspace Cloud or Amazon S3. Not on their own infrastructure. Facebook might be one of the last companies to build their own infrastructure.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is the next Microsoft. You heard it here first.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: Steve Wozniak told me they didn't start Apple to compete with IBM. And building a PC isn't like building a web service. Not a good analogy.
- Robert Scoble
Does that matter? It's whether you should try, not how you implement it.
- Cristo
I understand FB is winning the market cap game and will likely IPO next year and acquire Linkedin too but they are NOT winning the best mousetrap game, that's FF.
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: Facebook is the next Google. Google is the next Microsoft. Microsoft is the next IBM. IBM is the next DEC. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert for that info. I worked at both Apple AND Microsoft. But I'm sure you have better info.
- Cristo
I stand corrected.
- BLOGBloke
Thomas: you sound like one of those guys I sold a Betamax VCR to.
- Robert Scoble
Cristo: sounds like you can't hold a job! Just kidding. I'm the same way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it seems a competition for attention exists between the more popular and the more esoteric platforms
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Infrastucture is mostly hardware. Facebook's architecture is not perfect. They only allow us to have 5000 friends. It tells something about the scalability of the architecture. We don't know how well Friendfeed's really scales..
- Tapio Kulmala
Robert: I agree.. nobody I know either knows about or uses FF, and I barely scratch the surface. I was one of the most active users I know on Facebook until my account was "disabled" this week. I won't be investing any more time into that unless they re-enable my account. I love FF but doubt that my audience will adopt it any time soon... wish I had been at bwe09!
- ASKJDOG
Mike: that's always true. Every once in a while the more esoteric becomes the more popular. I was hoping that was the case with FriendFeed but it wasn't to be.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not arguing about scalability Robert I understand 300m is 300 times 1 million but FF remains the best mousetrap so Mark Z MUST integrate the best bits of FF into FB that's all. I loved my Betamax and thank you for being so cheeky to an Englishman in this place.
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: heh, I've been through that. My Facebook account was disabled two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: I KNEW it! :-)
- Robert Scoble
are you saying they are going to hold the 5000 limit because of scalability?
- Thomas Power
Robert: I read about that fiasco.. I can't get over the fact that they get away with taking away your access to your own data.. with no real way to dispute or contact them.
- ASKJDOG
Thomas, I don't know the reason. Architecture and/or scalability could be one.
- Tapio Kulmala
Anybody remember what was the most popular service 18 years ago? Yes, you all laugh about it now. It's not that different.
- Cristo
ASKJDOG: lots of Web 2.0 companies do that, unfortunately. It's one reason why I spread my attention out across a number of different services. At least that way you can find me somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook threw me out too. Gotta love it.
- BLOGBloke
So what replaces FF? ..or not replaces but would be more widely used by less techy people? More Twitter? Echo via one's blogs? something else?
- ASKJDOG
Someday, I'm going to be interviewed by Robert, and it's going to be super awkward. At least for me. ;)
- Cristo
From Robert's Blog Post. I couldn't agree more... "Will FriendFeed turn out to be like Second Life? I think it could. There will always be some people who want to be on some service other than the popular ones. There ARE people out there who hate Twitter and Facebook and want to hang out on a tool that more fits their personality. FriendFeed DOES have a future there. "
- Jeff P. Henderson
Cristo, the telephone or Usenet?
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimmi, AOL.
- Cristo
well I'm still on FB and completely stuck at 5000. FB is punishing me for building their network with my friends. Why do they do that?
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: we're all waiting for Louis Gray to answer that question. But why does anything need to replace it? If it stays the same as it is now we'll be just happy staying here. The problem is that no one else will join us. As long as we're OK with that FriendFeed is just fine!
- Robert Scoble
Ok Robert so I took a look at your "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" post... Do you think friendfeed will be another feature of facebook or will friendfeed stand on its own? You do know that facebook added some kind of tab feature to add friendfeed right into the facebook profile.
- Cjay
Chris, AOL was around back then, I can't remember I was a tot.
- Jimminy Fuller
ASKJDOG: I drank a glass of whisky tonight. No one sits around asking "what will replace that glass?"
- Robert Scoble
Jimmi, I can remember, but I keep drinking to try to forget. ;)
- Cristo
Cjay: I think they will be separate forever but that some features might come across. Real time search is definitely one I expect to see (Facebook was already working on that itself).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: lol.. good point.. I'm looking for ways to engage my web audience but it's a very different audience to yours. I like the whisky they don't necessarily :)
- ASKJDOG
LOL @ "a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook" - nice one Robert Scoble! And very much agree with Jesse Stay: writing is on the wall and it may spell "Huge Opportunity" for the next upstart SN hub that gets the UX just right.
- Dan Freeman
We need to create a million bogus accounts on FB. Raise a little hell, watch it implode and buy FF for pennies on the dollar. Anyone up for a barbecue?
- BLOGBloke
being able to write efficient server software is definitely one of the talents brought by the ff team, so these services should scale as well as anyone's
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert's problem is that I think he doesn't know who to listen to online. It's just a random walk through whoever's-online.
- Cristo
Cristo: oh, wait until you see my lists over on Twitter!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I haven't been given a good reason to actively use Twitter yet.
- Cristo
Oh, and Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online. Actually those are some of the most fun interviews because we both usually are surprised!
- Robert Scoble
Robert's lists on Twitter 1) Geeks, 2) Not Geeks
- Jeff P. Henderson
Cristo: I've given you more than 6,000 reasons to use Twitter here: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- you're telling me that none of those people or Tweets sound interesting? I guess that's cool.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff: that would be a funny list, actually!
- Robert Scoble
"Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online." -- This sounds inappropriate, but perhaps it is late and I have a corrupted mind.
- Cristo
I'm glad you have a sense of humor ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't forget the "Ignore" list.
- BLOGBloke
debated with, probably would be better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'd rather you just give me the one reason.
- Cristo
Cristo: one URL. 6,000 reasons. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The main problem I have with Twitter is that it very hard to hold a conversation there. That is why I much prefer FF.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff: that's why most people don't like FF actually. They really don't like talking with you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Perhaps, and it's just a wild guess, it's why we're having the conversation HERE!
- Cristo
You call this a conversation?
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: it's something, that's for sure! If we did this over on Twitter all of our real followers would have unfollowed us an hour ago.
- Robert Scoble
Well it certainly isn't an argument at this point.
- Jimminy Fuller
This is just chat... a better system for chat is IRC, It's so much faster. I never did really understand why people keep trying to reinvent the wheel.. All of these systems like friendfeed and twitter and whatever else seem really slow to me, but I put up with it because I guess people need it.
- Cjay
Right, which is an interesting (and somewhat sad) reality about human nature. A service that you can just send your random thoughts into the ether is more popular than one that enables conversation, because people just want to feel important without getting feedback.
- Cristo
Cjay: sorry, IRC sucks. I've gone into why before. But it does and I'm tired so I'll leave the details for another day.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: keep in mind I helped moderate Leo Laporte's chat room in the mid 1990s so I know IRC pretty damn intimately.
- Robert Scoble
cristo makes a point
- Cjay
Cristo: it's not just about feeling important. It's about simplicity. It's about being able to control who comes into your view (you really can't very well here).
- Robert Scoble
Also, most people just don't like participating. For them their 30 minutes on the web every day is more about getting informed and being entertained. Twitter is great for that.
- Robert Scoble
Hardly anyone comes into your view on Twitter. On Facebook, lots of people you know and don't want coming into your view do, unforunately.
- Cristo
Cristo: weird. On Twitter I have 5,000 coming into my view. On Facebook I have 1,500.
- Robert Scoble
I think IRC is to fast for most people to feel warm about it..
- Cjay
Robert, you are getting a lot of SPAM disguised as actual thought on Twitter. On Facebook, you're getting old friends and relatives that are inarticulately trying to communicate with you and sometimes in embarrassingly ways.
- Cristo
Cristo: not true. Every single person I've added into Twitter is someone I want on my home page. Not a single piece of spam has made it there.
- Robert Scoble
I actually like Facebook for connecting with people.. shame I won't be using it any more. Tho I'm using Twitter more and more It's difficult to see a structured conversation.
- ASKJDOG
I will have to say Facebook has crazy ways of knowing who you might know.
- Cjay
ASKJDOG: Twitter isn't for structured conversations. But you can include a link to one over here. That's what I do.
- Robert Scoble
I'm using SPAM loosely. Any Tweets that are actively promoting something they have no idea I'm interested in is SPAM to me.
- Cristo
Cristo: that's noise, not spam.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes! I noticed you do that.. and very effectively.. I will try it.
- ASKJDOG
I feel spread too thin across too many places - but FF is still quite lively among who I subscribe to
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm off the bed now. Thanks for being a good sport Rob and I hope you're feeling better about FF now. It really is the best SN out there and it wouldn't be same without you. Goodnight to all my friendly FriendFeeders.
- BLOGBloke
"Imma gonna let you continue with this thread, but first I wanna say that Rackspace is the best cloud service in the business, ever!"
- Cristo
Bed? It's lunch-time here
- Tapio Kulmala
BLOGBloke: thanks. nothing I read here tonight changed my opinion unfortunately. But I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
"Twitter isn't for structured conversations." Robert,,, if thats the case then should i go back to letting people know things like "I'm washing my dog and I just ran out of soup, I need to run to walmart, be back in 10..." ??
- Cjay
Our Windows 7 party is over! Actually, it was my wife's but I helped out even though I don't like WIndows. Oops. Maybe I should have tweeted that.
- Cristo
Chris, how did it go?
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimmi, really good actually. We really made a lot of progress cleaning up the loft. It was like two weeks worth of work in a couple days. And the food & wine went over really well.
- Cristo
Sorry Cristo, I think you meant to post that on Twitter ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, you mean I didn't? I'm so confused.
- Cristo
Chris, you didn't spend enough time staring at the ice cubes you may have liked Windows if you would have stared at them longer. The message was Windows 7 is amazing.
- Jimminy Fuller
Cristo, I'm sorry, conversation about Twitter comments is not allowed here...
- Jeff P. Henderson
If I say @Jimminy will that send it to twitter?
- Cristo
There you go, now you have it all figured out.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Where is my new Sonos controller @?
- Cristo
@Cristo
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'll receive it if you do that yes.
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert, either way it still feels like 2 hours of my life I will never get back, FFFTW!
- Cjay
And of course it takes a Scoble post proclaiming FriendFeed dead to provoke a big chat like this. Of course, with my mere 250 or so subscribers, it would never work for me...
- Dennis Jernberg
@Try looking under the couch cushion.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If this is the tech elite, I wonder how dumb the conversations are over on facebook.
- Cristo
#pound her - Photos or it didn't happen...
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Facebook, My cat just did a backflip off the couch...
- Jeff P. Henderson
What the matter, did everyone fall asleep?
- Jeff P. Henderson
I rarely get a comment on even one post. I guess I'm missing something...
- Dennis Jernberg
@The_Club Did you see that chick??
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert: earlier adoption of a service ensures a longer delay before observing widespread appeal. this may be a stronger indication your prescience rather than sluggishness by friendfeed
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
@Jimmy, we need photos.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Clearly Robert went to bed, because I'm not blocked yet. ;)
- Cristo
I think Robert just took time out to write another blog post entitled "The third coming of Friendfeed"...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Okay, I'm done with this thread. If you guys want to make sarcastic and sophomoric comments. FIne! ..........Let's just do it on another thread. :)
- Cristo
Cjay: one nice thing about ff compared with irc is that it is web-browser accessible, without addons like chatzilla or 3rd party sites like mibbit. they have many similarities otherwise, which is one of my reasons for liking ff so much :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert, the amount of comments is not necessarily a good indicator of the service health; from my point of view their quality is much more significant. A matter of signal VS noise, you know.
- Gilgamesh
Well I think IRC is still fast, clean and sleek, you want to follow, you join a channel, you want to be followed you create a channel. Friendfeeds comments are more like a fast forum arena and twitter is more like porno for pundits.
- Cjay
I think the killer mac app/shiny new piece of tech/deep-geek-inside-joke friendfeed is dead. But; its days (as a sort of hot-house for geeks) were numbered from the start. What remains to be seen, is what becomes of it between now and the time Facebook pulls the plug.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all.
- Mike Hellers
But I have to wonder if this isn't the natural progression of every social network. Myspace is a ghost town, nobody talks about Friendster... but going back further, how long did anyone stay with their favorite BBS? Why are news groups now only the domain of the totally hardcore? I think Friendfeed, while never a household name, has had it's day. I don't think it has to do with Facebook or Friendfeed's leadership, it just is the way it is. And one day soon, we are all going to be burying Facebook too.
- Ciaoenrico
RT @mikehellers Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Mike - Well, 360 comments on an incendiary post from the guy who's nearly synonymous with Friendfeed. Otherwise tumbleweeds really have been blowing through this place for some time.
- Ciaoenrico
It means that users are frustrated because of this FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook consequences, and want to tell it (once again. Again 'till..?)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The problem with FriendFeed was that the community broke down. It became far too much about who could gain the most attention, and not about interesting discussion. I think the Facebook takeover was just the excuse people needed to jump ship. Interestingly enough, since the DMU group moved over from Flickr, I am using FF more than ever. There is a proper community in the group, which gives me a reason to come back many times each day.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
wow! I just feel like sombodies bitch here! 8D 8p~"~'""
- Cjay
I'm going to bed....
- Cjay
Robert: Be careful, you might find yourself back in the SUL ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: I never was in Twitter's SUL but I sure am on a lot of people's lists!
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I can't wait for you to see Twitter's new lists. Then you'll see that the SUL really is deader than a doornail.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: OMG, can't believe you're still awake. You know my opinion, Twitter veterans should be there. Anyway, how on earth can you build the lists if you have to pick those users one at the time? I find it way too annoying.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: it doesn't matter anymore. Twitter is about to start a new game with "lists" and now it's about reputation and influence and credibility and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think most people will make their lists public? In that case it might be a "game changer", like you've said.
- Nir Ben Yona
guess what - 99% of twitter users wont make a list :) and im not sure i agree completely with robert - those on the default list will naturally be added to more lists making it the same game - which is against what winer thought it would be.
- Allen Stern
still here, still occasionally comment on LG threads.
- Mike Nencetti
Twitter is down again. Not even a Fail Whale which is on my favorite list. Just down.
- Eric Logan
Eric: it's up here, mostly. The damn API has been barfing all evening.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: I totally disagree with you on the lists thing. I've already added 1,000 new people because of the new lists feature.
- Robert Scoble
Unfotunately, I'm finding myself agreeing with Robert Scoble (which is new to me). I've been getting far fewer comments and likes than before. That in turn gives me less to act on, so my activity has dropped precipitously, too. But even with my much lower activity, FFholic says I'm ~400th most active. 6 months ago, I wouldn't have ranked in the top 5000 with such low activity.
- Jason Huebel
I knew as soon as FacePOOP bought them the Party was over!! Garbage is as Garbage does!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
It's not dead, yet...
- David Cook
Twitter's new list feature is fantastic. And yes, I have made my lists public. This is my take on the whole thing: http://friendfeed.com/app103... It's going to take me quite awhile to get everyone sorted though. If they had come out with this feature months ago when I had only around 200 people to sort it would have been so much easier. But lists on Twitter or...
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- April Russo (app103)
The social media learning curve: many people quickly learn that articles posted on high-quality primary news sites and blogs are more valuable and useful than the comments posted in response to those articles on social media sites. They try to allocate their time wisely, to focus on the more important over the less important. That's why I spend much more time in Feedly than in...
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- Sean McBride
After participating in this conversation, for me there is one obvious truth that has surfaced from it all. Community is not the technology .. it's the people who drive it, and this thread proves there is still a thriving community here at FF.
- BLOGBloke
MG Siegler on techcrunch: "Previously, FriendFeed had committed to keeping the site running indefinitely despite their new jobs at Facebook. And it has remained running, but the site’s innovation, always its key attribute, has been completely halted. And perhaps as a vote of no confidence, previously rabid users are now largely staying away." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Gilgamesh
Previously rabid Friendfeed users who are now staying away: to where are they migrating? Have they discovered platforms of equal or superior quality for sharing and discussing news? I haven't.
- Sean McBride
So sad, I just discovered FriendFeed around the buy out. We have to talk it up to our friends so it doesn't die!
- Nathan Snyder
I'm dieing!
- Zachary TG
so sad
- michael sean wright
The future of Friendfeed: a team of visionary developers needs to pick up from where the original Friendfeed creators left off, and aggressively push forward the platform's feature set. The basic platform is solid, but still primitive.
- Sean McBride
I fail to see why continued innovation is so critical when we have a platform that is already head and shoulders above anything else out there. Seems to me the only people who truly care are the early adopters and uber tech geeks, both of which are prone to jumping ship when the next new shiny service comes along regardless of how good the present service is. For the rest of us, we have...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
+15 Jeff!
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
hmm, FF looks alive from here. the apparent halt in development is certainly attempted murder, tho.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
If the current incarnation of Friendfeed had assembled the optimal feature set, it wouldn't be flatlining (or downtrending) on Compete.com. There is much room for improvement. (I've made numerous suggestions in the past -- consult the archives.)
- Sean McBride
Sean, it's pretty dang close. I do agree that over time, other services will either add all of the features that FF has or innovate and develop cool features that FF does not have. So the stopping of development will definitely kill FF in the long run. But in the near term, I have little problem with the present feature set here compared with my options elsewhere.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff -- at the moment, I don't see any other platform out there that is as capable as Friendfeed for sharing and discussing news -- despite my lengthy wish list for new features. That is why I am curious about where many former Friendfeeders are migrating to. Are some of them perhaps withdrawing from social media altogether? I haven't seen any alternative platforms recommended here.
- Sean McBride
I think many techies are getting their feet wet with Wave right now. Time spent looking elsewhere - whether we find something usable or not - still translates to less time on FriendFeed ...
- Dan Freeman
My personal blog post, feel free to share with other non-FriendFeeders http://snyderxc.blogspot.com/2009...
- Nathan Snyder
I still go here more than Twitter and it's all because of the comments, pictures, no 140char limit, etc... I vote Not Dead.
- Jan Ole Peek
Plus I still don't see how anyone can have a valid conversation on Twitter with more than 1 or 2 people. Certainly not via the web interface.
- Jan Ole Peek
I don't think FF is dead. I also hope it won't die because it kicks ass :)
- alfred westerveld
I'm sorry, but I must laugh at the First comment by Jan Ole Peek, comments about the 140 Character Limit while abbreviating. (Subconcious?) Anyway, I hope it doesn't die also.
- Nathan Snyder
Heh, XC Fan, I'm a lazy typer, that's all. But I don't like to be confined to a certain number of characters. Aside from that, I like that pictures are displayed inline with FriendFeed whereas with Twitter you always have to visit some stupid site to see the image.
- Jan Ole Peek
Yeah, plus you can attach any file right to a post for others to see.
- Nathan Snyder
While a little crazy to read, where else could you have a discussion like this? I missed the main portion but it highlights the importance of real-time to capture discussions AND a solution to store/manage it. With FF I can join in later; twitter gone, FB out the bottom. Robert you thrive in the full blast from the fire hose, most mainstream users consider that pure torture. Your neighbors could grasp friendfeed, they'll never get twitter (in it's current form). I still love friendfeed http://ff.im/a57K2.
- Chris Myles
The irony of 392 comments (so far) on a thread about the service dying is causing my head to implode.
- Stephen Mack
you didn't expect such a popular and beloved service to die silently, did you?
- Onur Cengiz
++Stephen
- David Cook
from email
Heya Robert if you're reading this check this out: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Advertising for the uber geek ;)
- Mark Essel
For Friendfeed being "dead" to tech geeks, I sure am getting lots of info on the Mozilla blocks Microsoft's sneeked-in .NET plugin in Firefox.
Kamilah Gill, rowlikeagirl, sofarsoShawn and 10 other people liked this
*crickets* ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
*chirp chirp*
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
DO ANYBODY NO WHY NOBODY COMMENTS ON MY AWESOME POSTS? (Chris and John *blocked* so don't count ;)
- Micah Wittman
*sympathy giggle*
- Rodfather
Ooh crickets! More food for my lizard. LOL
- Admiral Anika
++Anika :D
- vijay
I could feel sorry for the tech geeks being all upset no one comments on their posts any more. I'm not subbed to them because they don't post stuff useful to me, but when they announce they're not using a service, what do they expect their followers to do?
- Admiral Anika
+100 Anika!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Anika, yep. Thinking of it this way: Leaving in silence would be the ultimate blow. That it's all agonized belies that there's still power/utility/community despite their self-appointed job of trying to cull the herd.
- Micah Wittman
I just saw it! Plus, the timethingy said 12 MINUTES AGO. Couldn't you wait 15? ;)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
My browser blocked the plugin automatically, but I learned why that happened via FriendFeed.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
IRC IS DEAD COS I STOPPED USING IT! wait, why are there still so many servers and active users? didn't they get the memo about it going away cos my ego is not getting stroked to ejaculation anymore??
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I switched to Chrome for normal browsing because Flock and Firefox got clunky just like the old timers said it eventually would. I did read about the plug-in issue here though.
- Eric Logan
Yup anika is right about that :)
- alfred westerveld
Need the Firefox + extensions but want the Chrome look: Chromifox Extreme theme: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...
- Micah Wittman
Thx just shared an ars technica article on it
- sofarsoShawn
When I go to your "Ficker" site, it says: "micahwittman doesn't have anything available to you." There you have it.
- Kittyburgers
Kittyburgers, there are none available to me either. I've not uploaded a single pixel to flickr.
- Micah Wittman
Thank you to my 50,002 followers. Look through my followers here and compare to my Twitter followers and what do you notice? I see fewer spammers. Fewer bots. Fewer social media experts. Thanks for joining me on FriendFeed! It has been an awesome two years!
Aron Stevenson, Thomas Power, Louis Gray and 92 other people liked this
FFFTW!
- Cjay
YAY!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Down with bots, spammers, and social media gurus! Up with geeks! A big thumbs up on behalf of my fellow FriendFeed fanatics.
- Dennis Jernberg
I love geeks and FriendFeed has them in droves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
are u going somewhere ;p
- zʍıɔ
You're welcome ;-) A question though, where do you think we geeks will congregate next? I'm thinking that since Facebook now owns the Friendfeed devs, FF will eventually starve to death... hopefully not.
- Roberto Teixeira
But I notice a lot of users interact on FF via Twitter not directly on FF. Also FF faces tough competition from the likes of Posterous and Tumblr which offer more functionality with similar ease of use as FF.
- Roger
Roberto: Not so long ago this very FF post from scobleizer would get something about 300+ likes and 150+ comments. Sadly, FF users are surely looking elsewhere.
- Arvind
FF is ok, but its not the be all and end all Robert.
- Micky
Arvind: yup. Foursquare! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Friendfeed wins
- ashish
I too think that friendfeed is still a winner... people that left just filtered themselves out of my conversations. They are no longer discoverable here to me. Their loss (imho)
- Chris Heath
Your welcome :). Friendfeed really really is awesome
- alfred westerveld
Yes Robert and Friendfeed is massively technically superior - Makes it even sadder that the platform here's being ignored by the new owners.
- Jim Connolly
Still the best place for discovery to me despite less interaction.
- Eric Logan
Robert - I love the community and friends here on FriendFeed. I am so happy I was on FF in early 2008 and got to experience it's wild and wooly growth path. Chatting with you and all these cool geeks is really fun. I've learned TONS from you guys and I truly appreciate the friendship too! :)
- Susan Beebe
I agree, way less marketing gurus and spammers =)
- Brodie Beta
Wewt! We are awesome, especially me </ego>
- Danny Minick
In my experience, I've been using ff more rather than less since the fb aquisition. I don't see why I would migrate to another community ATM. To me, Friendfeed is king. :) King of social media, that is.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Me, I'm sticking with FF for the foreseeable future. I'm even going to do my part to promote it, at least to my (right now) 1K+ Twitter followers.
- Dennis Jernberg
Friend Feed is the Future Robert and you just may be our Faithfull leader! :)
- PeaceMakersInc
Word.
- Gary
Thank you, Robert. I have learned quite a bit from you-and you have created/moderated some tremendous discussions/issues. Best wishes to you and your family.
- Harold Cabezas
LOL. I agree. I have 413 followers on Twitter. When I ask a question, I get no responses. Same here. Does nobody like me?
- Zachary TG
zachary check their subscriptions against their subscribers and you might have an answer there
- ffcode
yup! there is a decline...don't know what friendfeeders are upto...foursquare might not be the complete answer
- ffcode
I'm still here. I tried doing the Google Reader thing. While it's a great reader, I think it SUCKS as a social platform. I still use it, but I don't expect as much out of it as I used to. FriendFeed and posterous are what I like best for what I do. Facebook is getting a little chaotic for me. I've made lists, but I think I need to start pruning... LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Kimber Scott
U do like normal folks like us, who does have a life, like having hobbies such as movies, taking pictures, making jokes and listening 2 old radio jokes on the Internet lol...and wondering why spell check doesn't work somedays
- polou/indigo_bow
Has it really been 2 years? OMG that was fast.
- Elliott Ng
ROFL! No bots; just wait! The bots are coming, they always come.
- Brandon Smietana
In twenty years I would be surprised if the bots were not more human than the humans. "Statistical Natural Language Processing: When Humans Fail the Turing Test", coming to a research journal near you!
- Brandon Smietana
Candygram - http://candygram.sourceforge.net/
"ves. Erlang is widely respected for its elega"
- alfred westerveld
Ping FeedBurner in Django App - Stack Overflow - http://stackoverflow.com/questio...
Annotated link http://www.diigo.com/bookmar...
- alfred westerveld
Showing the weather with PHP and Google Weather API | KomunitasWeb - http://komunitasweb.com/2009...
How To Remove Older Kernels from Ubuntu - http://www.foogazi.com/2008...
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- alfred westerveld
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