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"Going Google" with Google Apps - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...

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Hey. We're going google too. - Allen Blair

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Missouri lawmakers make it illegal to Txt and Drv - http://www.lsjournal.com/100...

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And I suppose it's perfectly safe for people over 21 years of age to text and drive at the same time. - Allen Blair

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Pink slips - http://men.style.com/news...

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I have now seen it all. - Allen Blair

Leo Laporte to Leo's feed, TWiT Conversations

Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...

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how did he die ? - John Hillestad

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legal herion ? - John Hillestad

I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx - David Lloyd

Oh, just found this chat... thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor

wow - Karoli

kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks - Karoli

my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army - Andrew Johnson

HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK - daveccorey

wow - David Lloyd

wow... - Chris Heath

I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo. - Mike Lewis

this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ] - Chris Heath

no drama leo - Chris Heath

by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased - David Lloyd

Techcrunch SUCKS! - Jason Hansen

wow! - John Hillestad

I'm so happy! - Jason Hansen

wow - just wow - Devin Baines

shortest gillmor gang ever - Karoli

lol that was classic - Chris Saad

Wow, social media drama! - imabonehead

Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first. - Dave

/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap - Omar Egan

Leo blew his top! - John Hillestad

It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky! - Jason Hansen

man i only just caught the end - what happened? - h1ro

I missed it too - Simon Wicks

about time - Jim Posner

OMG - Steven (optionshiftk)

arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre - Karoli

Props Leo - Nick Rae

Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON - David Lloyd

Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it. - Jason Hansen

Leo for President - Matthew

what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront - h1ro

wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns. - Kiran Patchigolla

Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time. - Mike Lewis

Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network - Steven (optionshiftk)

The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased - David Lloyd

wow - Tina Chase Gillmor

Way to go Leo!! - Andre Vautour

wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo - Andrew Johnson

Arrington's an asshole - Devin Baines

What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo - David Schmidt

@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction - Chris Saad

relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here - decjr

Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech - Matthew

Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling. - Leo Laporte

michael arrington Leo always discloses that info - Andrew Johnson

got funky hold music on calliflower - Kevin Marks

Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful! - Mike Lewis

You have nothing to apologize for Leo - Matthew

Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right - David Lloyd

You did the right thing Leo! - Omar Egan

as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional.... - John Hillestad

@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure - h1ro

Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect - Harvey Birdman

nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL - Karoli

No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries - Erle Stride

Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow. - Colin

did i miss something? - Kevin Marks

I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk. - Jason Hansen

yes Kevin - Matthew

the audio should go viral soon - Jim Posner

Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion. - Karoli

Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious? - Jason Hansen

Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time. - Omar Egan

well, that was interesting. - Chris Pugh

Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho - Devin Baines

you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life - David Lloyd

Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'. - Karoli

You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one. - Mike

Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way. - Colin

@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction - Chris Saad

thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off.... - John Hillestad

michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding - Chris Heath

apologies if i overeacted xxx - David Lloyd

Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off. - Aron Michalski

It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing. - Omar Egan

Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest. - Kim Landwehr

I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host - h1ro

yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish? - Matthew

kim they were talking about how it was a review model... - Chris Heath

Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff? - Aron Michalski

Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish. - Jason Hansen

@jason who said that? - h1ro

I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities. - Joel Asaro

Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased. - Paulius G

Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute. - zephyrlily

If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue - Harvey Birdman

Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show. - Karoli

cliff - please call me if you can - Tina Chase Gillmor

the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values! - h1ro

I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo! - John Blanton

tina - which #? d msg me. - Cliff Gerrish

Waiting for the TC post :) - Chris Saad

im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong - David Lloyd

Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays) - Chris Heath

Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges. - Thusenth

I'll miss Mike Arrington =( - Colin

just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile. - Karoli

Karoli - i was shocked too! - Chris Heath

yes, it was brewing for months - David Lloyd

Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo - Chris Pugh

Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man. - Kim Landwehr

Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long? - Jason Hansen

What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT? - Aron Michalski

Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube? - Mike Hellers

I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways. - Omar Egan

years no doubt :p - David Lloyd

I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted. - Jason Hansen

I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho - David Lloyd

Go Leo! :-) - Moobie

Is Tina Gillmor still in here? - Jason Hansen

Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL - Karoli

Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly. - invariant - farewell FF

hello - Tina Chase Gillmor

Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door. - Jim Posner

very true, invariant - Eric Florenzano

good point invariant - Chris Heath

hey Tina - sorry this happened - Hilary Talbot

Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :) - Mike Lewis

Did the show start at the top of the hour? - zephyrlily

Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Steven (optionshiftk)

The Mike: Arrington will never change. - Jason Hansen

Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo. - Colin

I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too. - Karoli

love you tina, you are a top chick xxx - David Lloyd

I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Mike Bracco

Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore. - Mike Lewis

Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week... - Karoli

thanks @Mike Bracco - detorn

I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang! - Wo

RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Karoli - let's get together when you do - Tina Chase Gillmor

Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction. - invariant - farewell FF

In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home." - Paul E. Ester

I'm very shocked... for the record - Tina Chase Gillmor

crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show - Will Fifer

What happened? - J. Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week. - Wo

Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff. - Colin

yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move - h1ro

Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh - Chris Saad

re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist - David Lloyd

If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged. - Steven (optionshiftk)

He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it - Chris Saad

it was not staged, the anger was real - David Lloyd

Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that. - Wo

I thought Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;) - Colin

I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker - Chris Pugh

So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week? - Dave

I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT. - Wo

GG is not dead, it will be back - David Lloyd

just not on twit - David Lloyd

realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident. - russtbarnacle

@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move - h1ro

well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off - russellcoleman

Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired. - Robert Scoble

yes russelcoleman haha - David Lloyd

got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle - detorn

Leo took his ball and is going home. - Wo

arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before - Moose

you missed a classic Scoble - David Lloyd

lol - detorn

it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo - David Lloyd

Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here! - Paulius G

@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Chris Saad

@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay - h1ro

russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL - Karoli

This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned. - David Peralta

Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down. - Steven (optionshiftk)

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it - zephyrlily

Dan is censoring the irc chat room... - John Hillestad

I was looking forward to the Pre discussion. - Wo

Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday. - Troy McConaghy

Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert - Tina Chase Gillmor

hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time - David Lloyd

I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo - Chris

NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE - Daryl Brown

think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded - David Lloyd

was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home - Moose

Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky. - Steven (optionshiftk)

the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch... - John Hillestad

Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit - Tina Chase Gillmor

HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on! - invariant - farewell FF

Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3? - Karoli

Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington. - Wo

I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change. - Aron Michalski

Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it. - Chris

not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx - David Lloyd

"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times - jccalhoun

they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good - Mike

Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened? - tollie williams

Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday - Tina Chase Gillmor

Dan is a tool - David Lloyd

Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun. - Karoli

its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan.... - John Hillestad

There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool. - Colin

There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident. - Steven (optionshiftk)

that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy - Moose

I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry - Mike

you can't censor something if you aren't the government - jccalhoun

FF just gained a lot of points. - Colin

I am behind you leo - Theodore Grabow

Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Leo's rant > Christian Bale's - Chris

twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last - jccalhoun

if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire - Mike

jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL - Karoli

yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words - David Lloyd

Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here. - Colin

Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say... - Amyloo

Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now. - Bwana ☠

there is/was an adult irc channel - Moose

And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate. - Colin

mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there. - jccalhoun

hey Amy - Hilary Talbot

Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show - Stephen Pickering

facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods - David Lloyd

Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun - Bwana ☠

hey hil, did you catch that? - Amyloo

My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime. - Robert Hafer

yes, it was all over in minutes... - Hilary Talbot

Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time .... - Michael Holzinger

yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed! - David Lloyd

Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense? - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo - John Hillestad

I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away. - Paul E. Ester

Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does). - tollie williams

i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods... - jccalhoun

Dan runs a tight ship - russellcoleman

When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly. - Colin

Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege - Bwana ☠

I would assume Leo will delete this conversation - Steven (optionshiftk)

oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right. - Karoli

Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something. - Robert Scoble

the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak! - zefyr

If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it. - Holger Eilhard

Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs - Stephen Pickering

I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?" - Thusenth

Robert - you certainly did - Devin Baines

OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing - Tina Chase Gillmor

Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week. - Wo

Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open. - Colin

cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed ' - John Hillestad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Aron Michalski

LOL @ Scobles understatement - Moose

"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence* - zephyrlily

google indexes this stuff fast anyway - Karoli

Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements - Tina Chase Gillmor

resume as in today.. somewhere else? - Moose

good old steve, another one of the good guys - David Lloyd

today Tina? - Wo

thanks for the update @tina - h1ro

any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"... - Aron Michalski

Will Steve try and stream it over ustream? - Steven (optionshiftk)

not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC - Tina Chase Gillmor

Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v... - invariant - farewell FF

@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it. - Antoniu

TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though. - Jason Hansen

Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Karoli

I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he... more... - Leo Laporte

Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening... - Aron Michalski

This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again. - David Ford

And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...? - Holger Eilhard

good statement Leo - David Lloyd

I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo! - Patrick Hall

Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes? - Michael Kaiser

Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit. - Simon Tracey

WTG Leo - Moose

he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :( - David Lloyd

Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing. - Jason Hansen

Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate - David Lloyd

It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT - Bwana ☠

Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April. - Thusenth

@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT. - David Ford

You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible. - Colin

Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC - David Lloyd

doesnt mention leo tho - David Lloyd

lmao Bwana - Moose

@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea - h1ro

What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT - Karoli

I would never kick you off Bwana! - Leo Laporte

Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington. - Jason Hansen

GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun. - Libertine

Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty. - Leo Laporte

Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area. - Mike

Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Leo :) - Bwana ☠

I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive... - Aron Michalski

Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything. - Chuck

Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live. - Steven (optionshiftk)

"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol - Erle Stride

Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out. - Adam Windisch

Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show. - Jerry Schuman

wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys - BryanSchuetz

MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it - David Lloyd

I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread. - Mike Saraf

Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote. - Karoli

I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example). - Patrick Sullivan

@mark link for arringtons post on tc? - h1ro

Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat. - Bwana ☠

Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled. - Chris Pugh

I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best - Moose

Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident. - Colin

@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though. - Antoniu

Bwana Who's Erie? - Erle Stride

I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes. - Dan Hendricks

it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached - David Lloyd

Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke - Tina Chase Gillmor

With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan. - Karoli

Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine! - russtbarnacle

Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses - Bwana ☠

i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds - David Lloyd

:) - Bwana ☠

Leo is going on techmeme? - David Lloyd

I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal - zefyr

Bwana I know just breaking balls - Erle Stride

I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship. - tollie williams

I deserved it :) - Bwana ☠

irc has a gossip filter? - Moose

Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'. - Karoli

Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang. - Paul E. Ester

So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it - BryanSchuetz

IRC is back for anyone interested - Mike

Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through. - Bwana ☠

Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week? - Dave

So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW - Erle Stride

FF > IRC - David Lloyd

Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P - Mike Lewis

until they add custom formatting here? Lo - David Lloyd

Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo. - John Brazel

you got that one right Professor. - John Blanton from twhirl

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible. - Zee.

Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)" - David Lloyd

Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional. - Paulius G

Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT. - Nir Ben Yona

If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real - Chris Pugh

well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance - David Lloyd

Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through! - Robert Scoble

Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family... more... - Leo Laporte

Well said Leo! - Harvey Birdman

I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet - David Lloyd

Leo has 30 year history of integrity - David Lloyd

@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise - Chris Saad

Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too. - Robert Scoble

He was just getting the disclosures out of the way - Chris Saad

Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish. - Karoli

Leo you are beyond reproach. - BryanSchuetz

right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion - h1ro

Chris, there was more than that to it - Karoli

We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result - Devin Baines

Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit. - Leo Laporte

Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington. - David Ford

What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?" - Colin

No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way - Chris Saad

You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike - David Peralta

re colin, flame baiting? - David Lloyd

Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed - TunisianGuy

It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab. - Karoli

We love you Leo! Hang in there! - Head Ov Metal

can you call tina please Leo xx - David Lloyd

@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content - h1ro

Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear - Bwana ☠

@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't" - Chris Saad

I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess. - Robert Scoble

Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment? - Colin

Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second! - Jack

Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG. - Michael Ritter

Leo got Pwned lol. - Matt Ruiz

friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr. - Karoli

RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo - Harvey Birdman

Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week. - Professor Messer

Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you. - Lise

that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win - BryanSchuetz

We love you Leo! - Moobie

Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose. - Robert Scoble

Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died. - Karoli

@Robert choose life :) - Chris Saad

Well said, Robert. - David Ford

Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org? - David Lloyd

Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later - Moose

Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time. - Robert Scoble

@Mark yes I do - Chris Saad

:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says... - Thomas McGivern

Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions. - Karoli

@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :) - Chris Saad

Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics .... - Jason Beck

Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-) - Robert Scoble

Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A) - earl wallace

Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :( - Jimminy Fuller

@Robert lol true I guess - Chris Saad

Agreed, this is life. - Colin

@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation! - Adnan

Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr - David Lloyd

Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways. - Aron Michalski

In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware! - Mike Lewis

Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though. - Robert Scoble

Its not late to bring some peace back - Johni Fisher

You don't bully leo though scoble - Jack

...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture. - Karoli

I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world..... - Stanley Suan

Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :) - Chris Saad

Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too. - Robert Scoble

You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes - David Lloyd

It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr - James

"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book - jccalhoun

Karoli lol - russtbarnacle

Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation.. - Kim Landwehr

was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri? - Steve Ford

Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte! - John Brazel

Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :) - Chris Saad

Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday. - Robert Scoble

Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us - Tina Chase Gillmor

whats arringtons take on all this? - Dano Hart

he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog - David Lloyd

Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

I like cheese. - Benjamin Grelle

Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything? - Harvey Birdman

@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before. - Hilary Talbot

I like John Cheese - David Lloyd

Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm - TunisianGuy

that was @karoli, sorry - Hilary Talbot

Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry - Stephen Pickering

Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk - Moobie

@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley - Chris Saad

Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too. - Robert Scoble

There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly. - Leo Laporte

Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is... - Aron Michalski

I agree with Harvey, no one cares - David Peralta

@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo. - Harvey Birdman

Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike... more... - Grady Joslin

has gillmore commented - Steve Ford

I think most of us would agree leo - Jack

@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir. - David Ford

I agree with you Leo - Theodore Grabow

Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Agreed Leo - Moobie

@Frank TGG won't be airing today.. based on earlier responses on the thread. - Divya Mistry

Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes! - Stephen Pickering

Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network - russellcoleman

Waffles are also delicious. - Benjamin Grelle

Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh - Robert Scoble

i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe - Dano Hart

arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - jccalhoun

RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - David Lloyd

Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments - David Lloyd

He respects Leo I think - David Lloyd

Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting. - Nir Ben Yona

@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious - Dano Hart

anyway to get the latest post at the top? - detorn

obama is too busy going on ' date night ' - John Hillestad

Good post from Mike. - invariant - farewell FF

Good post form Mike. with an apology - David Lloyd

Mike apologizes to Leo - David Peralta

if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology - David Lloyd

Respect exists. - David Lloyd

Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo - Austin Garrod

yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms - David Lloyd

Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away. - Karoli

if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing? - jccalhoun

well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think? - David Lloyd

Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry. - Kim Landwehr

In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here - Bwana ☠

the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it... - detorn

finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff - Christopher Harris

whats that tech site which has the gutter news? - David Lloyd

I now have a headache - Bwana ☠

he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - John Hillestad

James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be - David Lloyd

To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think. - Simon Tracey

Weakest. Apology. Ever. - Eric Florenzano

The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Chris

Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. - Leo Laporte

Leo-don't, he's not worth it. - Harvey Birdman

"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is - detorn

Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception - Kyle

@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe - Dano Hart

Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running... - John Hillestad

Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up. - Lise

I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give. - Kim Landwehr

Make peace not war Leo. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you. - David Lloyd

Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host. - Dave

Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution? - Jason Beck

You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future - Johni Fisher

Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;) - David Ford

Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future. - Robert Kenney

The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology" - Dan Hendricks

Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided. - Adam Turetzky

Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe? - Randy Green

Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre - Bwana ☠

Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo. - Michael Kaiser

In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity. - Benjamin Grelle

I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo. - John Brazel

It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone. - Chris

It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it. - Moobie

No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness. - Libertine

Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves. - Richard Coppen

he should dump Gilmore and his gang. what a bunch of yo yos. - John Merrill

I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap. - Grady Joslin

just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it - Austin Garrod

Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work. - Robert Lee

Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs. - Steve

keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good - Christopher Harris

I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is. - detorn

Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to... more... - Robert Scoble

What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour? - Kyle

I left that comment over on TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble

You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them? - Karoli

I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time. - Heiti Kruusmaa

Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show - Amyloo

wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit? - Austin Garrod

Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre. - Steve Ford

I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now? - Randy Green

Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network. - Craig Durling

Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff... more... - Robert Scoble

I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali... - David Schmidt

Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately. - Karoli

in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias. - Tobias Lewsadder

I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C - Andrew Johnson

Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else. - Rob Blatt

Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings! - Chris

I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content. - Wo

@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about - BryanSchuetz

Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network. - Robert Scoble

I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn' - kenneth glenn

The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology! - Colin

Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT. - Joel Asaro

Colin: we are passionate, aren't we? - Robert Scoble

@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz - David Schmidt

Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way. - Colin

Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it? - Robert Scoble

@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic? - BryanSchuetz

it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think. - Karoli

If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board. - Chris Pugh

I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding. - Colin

I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum. - Wo

Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me. - Robert Scoble

Wo - and that's a first? :) - Bwana ☠

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Matt Ruiz

@Chris P - what would that solve? - Lise

so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted? - Steve Ford

You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to. - Colin

Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days - Andrew Johnson

Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch. - BryanSchuetz

Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available. - Chris Pugh

i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo - Andrew Villafane

Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead. - Robert Scoble

wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)... - Heiti Kruusmaa

I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down. - Kim Landwehr

If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else. - Colin

We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV - TunisianGuy

Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows? - Karoli

Colin: the show will continue. - Robert Scoble

leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation. - Tobias Lewsadder

I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week. - Aron Michalski

Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side. - Owen Greaves

hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it - Andrew Villafane

Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services. - Karoli

I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace. - Leo Laporte

Nice, move along people ;) - David Lloyd

Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough. - Robert Scoble

Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another. - Joel Asaro

Nice to see that it all worked out so well. - Antoniu

Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang! - Robert Scoble

Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin' - Karoli

arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time - Tobias Lewsadder

Lasse: welcome to the real time web! - Robert Scoble

Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed. - Libertine

Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week? - Wo

GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment. - Alberto Saavedra

real time web wins again - David Lloyd

leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!! - Tobias Lewsadder

Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics - Darryl Adams

I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast. - Stanley Suan

so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore??? - Andrew Villafane

Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him? - Robert Scoble

The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones - Chris Pugh

the real time real world isnt either Chris :p - David Lloyd

It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are. - Colin

Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago. - Karoli

Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :) - Wookie

However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo! - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal - Stephen Pickering

Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before. - David Jones

I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype. - Jason Beck

@jay http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Antoniu

Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com - Karoli

Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off? - Stephen Pickering

Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Chris

Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed. - Paulius G

Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip - David Lloyd

I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here. - Jesse Stay

Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem. - Karoli

Arrington has and always will be an asshole. I don't read his blog and certainly won't start now. He has made some bad moves in the past, but this one might be an endgame. There is absolutely no reason to bait like that when someone is trying to provide a review. Reviews are never completely unbiased, but Leo always discloses and provides the most unbiased reviews that a sensible human can. - Bob Blunk

Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time. - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so. - Jesse Stay

Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself. - Justin Flood @justinflood

As far a the show goes, if/when they have another one, I MIGHT EVEN WATCH IT NOW. This is some good advertisement over this all be it not expected. Might be good to put someone on there with more of a moderation roll though. - Fake Elmo

Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad??? - Darren Rowley

Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue. - Michael Ritter

I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre. - Jason Pope

I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas. - Darrel Davis

When you have all these strong willed experts on one show, in a timed enviroment it could cause for some "good tv" as the saying goes. - Fake Elmo

love ya leo. - Mark Outten

just one more thing...PLEASE don't let this be a publicity stunt! - Bob Blunk

It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently. - Steve Ford

I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead. - Brian Cagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Jason Pope

Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity - Art

I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's - Jesse Stay

Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :) - Ryan

This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now. - Leo Laporte

YAY! - David Lloyd

Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve - Darryl Adams

:) - Nicholas James

Leo you're a good man - Jesse Stay

Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he? - David Lloyd

_serious_ realtime shit - Amyloo

Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-) - Darryl Adams

gotta love live real time. - Steve Ford

Yes! :) - Adnan

<3 real time xx wish my friends got it - David Lloyd

Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha! - Michael Kaiser

Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events. - Jason Beck

I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee. - Brian Cagle

Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :) - Adnan

we want david winer - David Lloyd

Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube - zephyrlily

why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid? - Bwana ☠

Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya - O W

I think the author deleted it @Bwana - zephyrlily

Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now? - Colin

scoble you going to be ontine for round two? - Steve Ford

Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems. - Allen Blair

The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

Lol :/ - Colin

Colin: I think they're trying to get everyone back. - Nicholas James

If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously. - Colin

Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius. - Robert Scoble

This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it! - Chris

Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-) - Jeff Weber

chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh... - Steve Ford

I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did. - Michael Kaiser

Michael: Robert invented the 2010 web: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Nicholas James

I thought Al Gore invented it? - John Brazel

There goes the Bulleit Bourbon? - TunisianGuy

@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL - Adam Turetzky

don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho - TunisianGuy

I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay! - Ryan Massie

The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Amyloo

Back live woooo! - Moobie

live.twit.tv - TunisianGuy

yayyyyy - TunisianGuy

Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool. - John Brazel

Part2 - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-) - Moobie

LOL. This is better than TV - Bwana ☠

we need a minute please - Tina Chase Gillmor

@Bill Lol @ the plant - zephyrlily

I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :) - Bwana ☠

Bwana - Lol! :-) - Moobie

I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part - Jack

Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules) - Tim Hughes

I blame the Pre Leo... - Bwana ☠

Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it. - Kevin Hart

keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor - Thomas McGivern

I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC. - Ryan Massie

Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be) - Scott Edwards

Now the show will be tame :) - Bwana ☠

I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue - zephyrlily

lol - Chris

LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show - Bwana ☠

GTALK - Nicholas James

You are a class act Leo! - invariant - farewell FF

Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no. - Joel R

LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video. - Mike Bracco

Yes, mike's audio is fine. - Cliff Gerrish

leo, you are great. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Well done both Leo and Mike - Kim Landwehr

Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East. - Karoli

seems to have lost audio - anyone else? - Franz Sittampalam from IM

hiccup - Tina Chase Gillmor

Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up. - Marco Ho

Tina, recording part ii - Cliff Gerrish

What Calacanis incident? - Chris

Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

I like Arrington's style. - Colin

thanksCliff - Tina Chase Gillmor

it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone. - Karoli

Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did. - Paul

Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting - Amyloo

He never apologizes.... explains his attitude. - zephyrlily

keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas McGivern

Gotta love Feldman! RT: The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz - 1x29

This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights. - Colin

The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer. - Jesse Stay

Steve is angry :( - David Lloyd

can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina. - Karoli

Thanks Karoli ... tough few days - Tina Chase Gillmor

Scobey! Welcome to the show! - Colin

Yay, we have ourselves a show - Robert

Jack, are you recording? - Robert

I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions. - Jesse Stay

moving right along... - Brad Kligerman

yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later - Jack

So what's happening in tech? - Colin

This week in therapy - Thomas McGivern

group hug - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Leo vs Steve is coming up next... - Chris

Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you - Robert

As a journalist you have to ask tough questions - Jesse Stay

This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one. - Brad Kligerman

I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus - Jack

Steve has a good wife. - Colin

I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed! - Lise

Leo's in his "battle stance" - Colin

Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm? - Brad Kligerman

Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang! - Chris

Chris, networks have interdependencies - Karoli

We shall see. - Antoniu

Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress! - Aaron T. Harvey

Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it. - Andrew Johnson

I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though - Andrew Johnson

Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard? - Karoli

For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve. - Brad Kligerman

of course i'm not saying that Karoli - Andrew Johnson

I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's? - Stephen Pickering

Excellent point Brad - Robert

My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too - Karoli

I do agree with Brad. - Karoli

I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too - Andrew Johnson

Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug - Stephen Pickering

I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else. - Steve

Steve needs to stop reading this chat - Robert

I agree, I think he's taking it too literally - zephyrlily

i think it is irc that he is speaking of - Andrew Johnson

Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online. - Verbal

Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously - earl wallace

Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that. - Lise

Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often. - Joel Asaro

Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses. - Karoli

FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this. - Jesse Stay

We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together. - Colin

Leo, the drama is the show. - Karoli

i'm confused... leo added drama too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

This is not going to end well...... - David Peralta

If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory - Karoli

Ryan, I can't believe you're even suggesting that this has anything to do with ad revenue - Derek Erdmann

This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine. - Matthew

Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile - Karoli

Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent - Gary Gannon

I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli - Brad Kligerman

Ohhhh.... - Amyloo

Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this? - Jesse Stay

internal angst - zephyrlily

I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer... - Robert

the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is. - Karoli

Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT - Ryan Merket

Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls - Karoli

Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve. - Lise

'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement. - Brad Kligerman

Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana. - Colin

I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

We need Steve to hook all these people up! - Colin

talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think - Karoli

Steve us wrong about networks. This is clearly Leo's network. - Scott Wilder

We don't want to see you dead, Mike - Stephen Pickering

It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks - zephyrlily

There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights. - Joel R

We're not crazy!! *twitches* - Robert

the content and the passion are indivisible - Hilary Talbot

I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this. - Lise

SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream - Karoli

I <3 you all guys - Jesse Stay

@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread - Antoniu

Sounds like they have patched things up. - Mike Doeff

Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear. - Jan Zimak

@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though - Jesse Stay

Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering

Underwear 12 y/os? wtf? - Ryan Merket

What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh - Lise

I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening - Stephen Pickering

OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol - Andrew Johnson

I think Leo should "man up" and say the quality of the content isn't enough to keep GG on TWiT. - Scott Wilder

This is why social profiles are a good thing - building a presence that you have to be responsible for is just as critical for the web as it is in person. - Derek Erdmann

I haven't seen much stupidity on friendfeed actually; few insensitive comments perhaps in this stream but nothing much really - Franz Sittampalam from IM

This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is - Robert

Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is? - Stephen Pickering

i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now - Dano Hart

Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat - Jesse Stay

That IRC chat is a disaster - Mike Doeff

Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders. - Aaron T. Harvey

I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet. - Lise

Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here - Stephen Pickering

No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show. - Brad Kligerman

Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here - Jack

Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously - earl wallace

Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else - Karoli

Ultimately Steve is right. If he doesn't like Leo's ability to control the show because he controls the network, then GG should go somewhere else. - Scott Wilder

Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen. - Jesse Stay

You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now. - Colin

you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show. - Karoli

can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already - TunisianGuy

Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've... more... - Jason Miller

gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like. - Adnan

why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II? - Karoli

Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo. - Jim Posner

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities. - Colin

I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great - Gary Gannon

Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like - Jesse Stay

why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington - Stephen Pickering

Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK - Karoli

If I want drama I'll turn on TNT, because apparently they know drama. - Scott Wilder

The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT - Jack

Gillmor's talking but no one can hear. - Sprague D

On TWiT, the drama is replaced by the outstanding interactions between the members of the panel. Debating on the topic (like Dvorak v. everybody) is very different from getting personal, which I think is what happened here. - Derek Erdmann

Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit. - Libertine

Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD? - coldbrew

Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended. - tollie williams

Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed" - Ryan Merket

I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one. - Jesse Stay

good point ryan merket - Dano Hart

I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech. - Paulius G

Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button - Ryan Merket

@tollie very good insight - earl wallace

Stay: Agreed. - coldbrew

Audiences long for access to this show. - Colin

This is all so very self-involved and silly. - Christopher A Carr

@Ryan that's not the case at all - Harvey Birdman

So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :) - tollie williams

Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form - Jack

There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming. - Mike Doeff

+1 Colin - Brad Kligerman

You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"] - coldbrew

Hug it out guys. - Mike Doeff

Jack, agreed. - Karoli

I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are - John Hillestad

"With all due respect". Got it. - Sprague D

The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones. - Ryan Merket

Ryan you've made that point a few times already now - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience. - Jesse Stay

I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course. - Lise

Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok. - Bwana ☠

I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network - Robert

Without a community there's no one to consume your content. - Aaron T. Harvey

"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing - Dano Hart

Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do" - Karoli

Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way? - Sprague D

It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners - David Peralta

I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic! - Thomas Hawk

"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Steve please do this on a closed call - earl wallace

Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected. - Lise

Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it - Robert

"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content' - Brad Kligerman

@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone. - Gary Gannon

Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway. - bobrudge

Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen - coldbrew

I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose. - Bwana ☠

Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled. - Jim Posner

This show is going no where now - Jesse Stay

It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'. - Verbal

This has been brewing for a while - Mike Doeff

i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content - Dano Hart

If Steve wants to move the show off Twit then he should, although he shouldn't make the decision RIGHT NOW he should make it after the show and after careful consideration. Although I don't see why it can't stay on Twit. - Nicholas James

Anella: Yes ;) - coldbrew

The problem is Leo can turn off the show - Jack

The show can go on with Leo - Bwana ☠

The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important - Karoli

dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe - Dano Hart

Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is! - Chris

Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

The show can go on without Leo - Bwana ☠

Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions! - coldbrew

Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down - Lise

Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo? - Jesse Stay

I am Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Also wouldnt it be up to Mike if Gillmor Gang stays on Twit after all they're located over at: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ ;) - Nicholas James

Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not? - Chris

I think Steve is actually on the right track. Steve wants COMPLETE control. He can't on TWiT - Scott Wilder

Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't - Bwana ☠

Chris, because he believes the content is important. - Karoli

Steve works for Mike, BTW. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light. - earl wallace

No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time. - Robert

Steve should put it on his own network and ask Leo back as a guest. - Derek Erdmann

Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less. - coldbrew

Bwana, I'm confused! - Jesse Stay

If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm - Lise

We Collegiates are Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance. - bobrudge

Leo was liberal with those F bombs : ) - Mike Doeff

collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor - Brad Kligerman

Jesse: I think Bwana is referring to the fact that you said can it "work AND without Leo" at the same time...didn't you mean OR ;) - Nicholas James

LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha - Lise

Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show? - Jesse Stay

You can't take it with you has never been more true. - Aron Michalski

Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright! - Dano Hart

@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution. - Ryan Merket

Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit. - coldbrew

stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here. - Brad Kligerman

Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future. - Chris Heath

I think the balance of the show is fine. I think Steve just wants to be the main face on Gillmor Gang instead of on a monitor in the background ;) - Nicholas James

Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG) - Karoli

coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network. - Jesse Stay

I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show. - Mike Doeff

932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on - daveccorey

Karoli, because it's on Leo's network - Lise

It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-) - Joel R

LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it" - Jesse Stay

Steve hinted at the beginning at people being rude saying 'the old guy' should get off etc; I think he has good reason to be not happy if that's the case - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Joel, WInMo can do that, with Skyfire. - Christopher A Carr

Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0 - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Props for you guys going live with this. Way to stay professional and sort this stuff out. - Derek Erdmann

okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!" - Jesse Stay

I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it. - Lise

Who in here has this recorded? - Jesse Stay

I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that. - Mike Doeff

Whoo! GO JACK! - Robert

No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web - Jesse Stay

Jesse: someone mentioned before that they recorded the first one and will be recording the second one. Update: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 said he was going to ;) - Nicholas James

I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Welcome to the interwebs Steve - Gary Gannon

Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio. - Paulius G

Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool. - Joel R

I knew it would be a tame show after that - Bwana ☠

LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove - Lise

That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon. - Antoniu

I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington. - Jesse Stay

I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech! - Lise

i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe - Dano Hart

This is TWID! - Joel R

is the bar open yet? - Andrew Johnson

TWiD - nice! - Aaron T. Harvey

After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today - David Peralta

Don't worry Leo we saw the names before you covered it ;) - Nicholas James

@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil. - Jan Zimak

Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today - Stephen Pickering

And 3 hours later we get the Pre review - Jack

Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow - Bwana ☠

that would drive me nuts - Bwana ☠

wait until Monday for any iPhone announcements - Derek Erdmann

Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold? - Aaron T. Harvey

Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick - Mike Doeff

Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone. - Paulius G

Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?! - Charlie Anzman

UI looks great - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash. - Aron Michalski

Leo, how's the keyboard? Engadget and Gizmodo didn't seem too pleased with it - Derek Erdmann

Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week - Karoli

Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :) - Bwana ☠

Aaron: I've had a 'roundy/pudgy' phone in the form of a Samsung D500 and it was fine. - Nicholas James

automatically syncs with google and facebook cool; look forward to seeing the keyboard too - Franz Sittampalam from IM

I like that app dock - Mike Doeff

I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone. - Antoniu

321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery - Bwana ☠

Is anyone going to post the make-up video? - Jim Posner

looks like it needs a software update for that latency (that would bug the hell out of me) - Franz Sittampalam from IM

321: Apple will be launching background apps soon ;) They blame battery's because their battery sucks. - Nicholas James

Jim: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 is going to be posting the recording of it - Nicholas James

oh dear it's really not responding to Leo - Franz Sittampalam from IM

that phone does look pretty slick - Dano Hart

looks sluggish - Robert

Robert: It's running alot of background apps though - using a lot of memory - Nicholas James

anyone want some koolaid? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

good point, maybe it'd be faster if he closed down bg apps - Franz Sittampalam

No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it - Bwana ☠

It's sluggish all around - Bwana ☠

bye - Tina Chase Gillmor

Aaron: Update: Leo mentioned its comfortable to hold ;) - Nicholas James

I don't love the UI, but the multitasking features look good. I'd like to see how this would work on more powerful hardware - Derek Erdmann

Cya Tina! - Nicholas James

I love great notification systems, and Palm has one - Bwana ☠

Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :) - Bwana ☠

Google Wave is going to be an interesting paradigm for mobile devices - Scott Wilder

Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen - Cory Roush

Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps - Aaron T. Harvey

induction charge....very cool - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Oh, neat, that's the first time I've seen the gecko stuff on a real product! - Derek Erdmann

flawless ustream for me today - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

That charger is ingenius - Jesse Stay

Nintendo kills me with that - Bwana ☠

High Demand = Immediate Press Coverage = Creates More Demand = Then Supply Inital Demand Only = Cycle Repeats ;) - Nicholas James

Jeff Cannata on TWiT?! - Chris

It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me - Bwana ☠

Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have - Bwana ☠

For the die hard Palm'ers - Bwana ☠

Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does... - Aaron T. Harvey

Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-( - Jack

That'll come - Bwana ☠

People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string - Bwana ☠

do a quick test - Bwana ☠

Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :) - Bwana ☠

It's a good time to be a Phone lover - Bwana ☠

It is "good competition" to the iPhone - Jesse Stay

Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition - Bwana ☠

Poor Motorola - Bwana ☠

Palm getting 2nd is good for version 1.0 - Nicholas James

monday it will be 3rd - Byron McCollum

O_O dead pixel blues - Bwana ☠

Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition - Bwana ☠

Personally I think phones with sliding keyboards are great. - Nicholas James

his thumb covers 4 keys - Bwana ☠

Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA - Jesse Stay

i could never use that analog keyboard - Byron McCollum

Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today. - Jason Miller

I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard. - Aaron T. Harvey

That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :) - Bwana ☠

For me the apology will long out-live the video. - Colin

LOL Bwana - Lise

Nooooo - Bwana ☠

Dont do it Leo - Andrew Johnson

We could post your apology - Aaron T. Harvey

Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity. - Colin

I wouldn't :) :) - Bwana ☠

Personally; I think you should make a video with the rant and then the appology immediately afterwards - that way they'll outlive each other ;) - Nicholas James

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D - Bwana ☠

do just the tribute and cut after that - Andrew Johnson

Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it. - Lise

Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies! - Colin

we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike. - Lise

We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us! - Aaron T. Harvey

we love you too leo! - Derek Erdmann

Go eat some meat Leo - Bwana ☠

You deserve a few choice cuts - Bwana ☠

See you in the morning, Leo. - Lise

Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :) - Bwana ☠

Thanks guys! - Nicholas James

Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P - Andrew Johnson

now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow - Andrew Johnson

this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality. - Joe Magennis

Joe: It's up to Mike and Steve although, I agree that it should remain on Twit. - Nicholas James

Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!! - Andy

Haha, this is drama for geeks. - Manuel Mas

Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes...... - John Spencer

I think Arrington should be a guest on Sunday's TWIT. - Jason

I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing? - jccalhoun

I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today. - Allen Blair

Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario - chad cicconi

listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist. - jccalhoun

Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions. - Charlie Anzman

Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that? - jccalhoun

some people were being insensitive and they must have been paying attention because they got the feeling everyone concurred and thus the chatroom was a 'mob' of unified opinion; - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man. - Rock

Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities. - Dominic

Perfect. Way to go. - Byron Servies

I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network. - MarK

They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people. - jccalhoun

Personally I felt the arguement for it not being on Twit is because Steve wants to be the main 'face' of Gillmor Gang regardless of being in FULL control of it or not. Although, I like the setup on Twit and think it is a great setup for Gillmor Gang which Steve will probably realise when he calms down - as he was pretty emotional on the show - although, remember it will be down to Mike (and Leo) at the end of the day and I don't think that they'll move it from Twit. Personally, I hope they don't. - Nicholas James

If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech? - David J. Garcia from twhirl

Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too. - Alberto Saavedra

Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway - Andy

i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews. - Dave Martin

dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run - Chris Heath

Can I download the show somewhere? - Wo

dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole - Chris Heath

Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience... more... - Chris Heath

as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings - John Blanton from twhirl

Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps? - Matt Hall

Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :) - Jay Cuthrell

Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-) - jccalhoun

jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;) - Matt Hall

If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears... more... - Jonathan Langdale

Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs... - Matt Hall

Dave: Mike posted an appology on Techcrunch - Nicholas James

Most entertaining GG moment ever! - Douglas

I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit. - Amac

This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell

Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people... - Hamish MacEwan

Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0 - Erle Stride

Erle: You can only see the voice recording but they are located here http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... thanks to http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 - Nicholas James

Thank you Nicholas - Erle Stride

it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully - jcunwired

Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support! - John - becomingamac.com

I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room. - Matt Matthews

it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup.... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more. - jccalhoun

I'm sure Leo said that if someone came to the studio he'd be happy for them to host - Nicholas James

As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument. - Dave Wallace

Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct. - Phil Essing

Phil: Leo appologised on the 2nd Gillmor Gang and Mike appologised on a Techcrunch post. - Nicholas James

Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place. - Phil Essing

I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio - Erle Stride

This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo! - Jim Graham

Leo should install a big red kill button that cuts to re-runs for these cases or the occasional wardrobe malfunction. - KyleHase

Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront. - Ken Sheppardson

Not just dead air, I guess. Hm. - Ken Sheppardson

Two tribal leaders collide... which one do you choose as a role model for your kids? - randulo

We love you Leo! - Imran Idris

Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama. - Jamie

Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an... more... - Karoli

+1 Karoli - Brad Kligerman

The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat. - Jay Cuthrell

arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude? - Tobias Lewsadder

Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too. - Karoli

1164 comments. woah - Tyler Gillies

Tyler - I know right. This thread has two winners: 1. Palm 2. FriendFeed - Bwana ☠ from IM

a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night. - Tina Chase Gillmor

go @bwana, right arm! Yeah folks, Leo is human, he's still the brightest light around, no one has as much culture or as wide a knowledge of so much. He's like the opposite of FoxNews - randulo

I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol. - Jamie

just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

1171 comments on one FF post...........that's got to be a record! - mark dekruyter

http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random." - Andy

@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs. - Brad Kligerman

BradKligerman .... you are right..I'll just say, I appreciate Leo Laporte taking the "high road"...it says alot. It's his show, and in that moment, he had enough of the blatant, uncontrolled, self promotion techniques of some guests, in this case, Mike A. - mark dekruyter

The G.G. show has always had a different feel or flavor to it: this blowup might have been inevitable...the tone of G.G. is so different than Twit. - mark dekruyter

WOW!!! Leo said a bad word. - Joe Demartino

...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content. - Brad Kligerman

That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized. - Kevykev

The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did. - MIQAL

Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work! - Anant Gairola

Had a feeling it would be busy here................. - Kevin J Hatton

Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see. - Jim Posner

karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa... - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or... more... - Karoli

wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one - Bob

keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it. - Thomas McGivern

Loren Feldman's video response is good. - Stephen M. Otto

Way to go Leo. - Ryan Grier

The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv. - Ken Sheppardson

Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment? - Michael Metz

Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free. - Stephen M. Otto

Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean. - Rustic Thoughts

Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin" - Rustic Thoughts

I love the intro music.... - Rustic Thoughts

hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok - daveccorey

I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self. - Hamilton Wallace

historic like the inauguration? - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump? - Hamilton Wallace

Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!! - Jim Corkrum

We can haz FF entry for TWiT? - Ken Sheppardson

thanks to Denise we will in a second ken - Chris Heath

I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit. - MarK

I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom. - Karoli

Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole. - Samuel Cohen

is that my denise!!? - jeneane sessum

(still watching) - jeneane sessum

Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop. - Jay Cuthrell

I came to all this late, but from what I've seen, there were quick apologies between the principles involved, why did any(every)one feel the need to get on a side and rail against one or the other when in fact, the 2 people involved pretty quickly made their peace. - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy. - Ken Sheppardson

If Leo and Arrington were to war, I'd back Leo without question, but they made nice pretty quick. I can't stand Arrington and think the spitter had the right idea (spitting isn't real violence, just a sign of respect) but now everyone went and pushed him out of this sphere, which lessens it. Without the other side, this will become an echo chamber. We'll all start congratulating each other for pushing the water closer to the shore: http://www.zefrank.com/theshow... - Matthew DeVries

Matthew, that's the nature of news. Breaking news goes viral but the follow-ups often do not. The live-web amplifies this sequence. - KyleHase

In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG. - Sam Ellis

Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it. - Adam Deem

I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole. - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf - Linton Davies

ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind - Richard Thomson

My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take... more... - Dale Dietrich

Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful... more... - Jason Miller

Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second. - Karoli

Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.". - Marisa Duma

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America Online...wait...no. Prodigy! - Candace

WebTV. - Rochelle

sciboard.louisville.edu or iglou.com, both about the same time. - Tsali, The Native of FF

Local ISP, until I realized the value of webmail. Then yup, it was Hotmail. - Bradley McSpinn

AOL.com, back when Windows 95 was so money it didn't even know it. - Tyler Hayes

First e-mail account was with Sprynet when it was CompuServe's Web-only ISP -- before the AOL buyout! - Jared Smith

wisc.edu - Dave Winer

ecu.edu - Beebo Wallace

Prodigy. - Oliver Ortega Chua

citiz.net - yagami

i don't even remember i think it was planet something or i dunno something like that no wait i don't know why i'm thinking earlyalert.com i don't know i'm probably wrong lol - Cardeen Martinez

crikey, i've never even heard of some of these... - Zee.

A BBS in Morgan Hill. - Rodfather

1st public internet email was via easy.com ... my own domain via ISP I started in 1993. 1st corporate email was 1978 ish internal on our private global DECNET, connected to public Internet in about 1984. - Don Strickland

A shell account in '92, I forget with who. Was BBS'ing for years before that, and they sort of had email. - Bob Morris (polizeros)

wow, very impressive Jason...and Don! - Zee.

Hotmail was my first email provider. - Andrew Trinh

aol - ♥patricia♥

mail.com. Alternative back than was only hotmail (I think, can't remember about yahoo) which totally sucked. I think mail.com is extinct now, but they used to have multiple domains. And I had about 5 different accounts. 4, 5, or 6MB, can't really remember exactly. Wow, the days... This is one example (of many) where I'm very happy we are where we are today. - Vlad Bobleanta

I can't remember. Possibly Yahoo, but I think Yahoo may have come later... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Compuserve, then "Niftyserve" the licensee of Compuserve here in Japan. We have it so good now! - Rick Cogley

Hotmail, way back in 1998 (although before that I had an ISP email through Frontier) - Brandon Mendelson

AOL. - Laura B. is for birfday

AOL. I shutter at the thought - BCK

PSU.edu, 1989 - Dave Roth

Toronto FreeNet. - Chris, Without Direction

Michigan State University - Steve Lowe

Yahoo mail. Still have it but its been so spamefied I hardly use it anymore. - TkFromWestSide

My employer - Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue - circa 1984. - Gary Walter (gwalter)

Hotmail - Tim Keneipp

Prodigy in 1991, followed shortly thereafter by AOL 1.0 for the Mac, then Compuserve. And finally a POP internet dialup with Chicago's Interaccess in about 1992 after getting Adam Engst's Internet starter kit book that came with a copy of the Mac/TCP control panel on a 3 1/2" floppy. - Adam Turetzky

Prodigy, then AOL - Robert Kenney

My first was at work. heamin@sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com -- no joke. Then I had an alumna account with Virginia Wesleyan, and then I think I picked up a yahoo account. My first web site was on geocities, and it was so kewl for its time, too. :-) - Ladybug Heather

AOL - Derrick

<- AOL - Costa Walcott

AOL then Juno - Violet Mae Lim

drexel.edu and compuserve - Peter Ghosh

Technically, my first email address was on an internal mail service for a large corporation back in 1991, but it was possible to email other people on the internet with a byzantine series of pipes, slashes, gateways and hostnames. My first personal email on the internet proper was with a regional dialup service called pics.com in 1992. - dthree

Pixi.net - Trish Haley

I forget the exact name, but it was local and called Charlotte's Web. I live in Charlotte, NC. - Matthew

75106,3139 - Leo Laporte

I want to say Compuserve - BASEnet

whats 75106,3139? - Zee.

74127,2227 - Christopher Barnes

aol - Computerwhiz1

Those are Compuserve addresses Zee - Adam Turetzky

AOL - Gabe Diaz

Prodigy - Nick Smith

Oof. CompuServe! - Akiva Moskovitz

ah, interesting - thanks Adam - Zee.

My first was a VAX server at lamar.edu but I quickly shifted to an Ultrix machine also at lamar.edu. So, lamar.edu. - Akiva Moskovitz

Yay Nation Hahn! - Rochelle

aol - Russ Jackson

76020,702 lol, had to look mine up! - Adam Turetzky

I had brlewis@mit.edu in 1986 way before there ever was such a thing as spam. Now there's probably not a single spammer's list out there that doesn't have that address. I still log in there occasionally. - Bruce Lewis

netcom - Scott Slade

A tiny, local ISP here in Vermont call Kingdom Connection. I was one of the first 25 subscribers I think, and I still have my original e-mail address. Scary. - Bob M. Montgomery

Mine was AOL. Man that was a long time ago.. - David van Sunder from Nambu

Hotmail for me as well. Recalling this alone makes me nauseous. ;-) - Dan Dashnaw

I had a Hotmail account as well. Never again. - Diego Espinoza V.

columbia.edu - Morton Fox

geez... I can't even remember. - Jim Iz Not on Ur List

umich.edu - Ken Sheppardson

Prodigy. Then AOL. Then Berkeley.edu followed by Earthlink.net, Home.com, ATTBI.com, and then Mac.com. (Also in there, GMail, Excite, Netscape, and work accounts, etc.) - Louis Gray

Hotmail - Sometime in 1997 I think. My first email account for work was in 1998. - David Yarnell

AOL. I was so excited to get Hotmail because at the time, it was cooler than AOL. Heh. Then Yahoo and now Gmail. And that's it, not counting work/school accounts. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Prodigy. - Admiral Anika

tamu.edu before that I was on some BBS's with RelayNet mail. In 1988 I got a 9600 baud modem and I'm telling you it was so fast. - Jeff

crap whatever we had at college before the internet had pictures or an internet. :) We could send messages between colleges though - Steve C

Probably Mindspring. - Gunny Say RELAX ™

Mine was AOL over my 2400 baud modem. - Allen Blair

<student id>@<sydney university undergrad domain), then something at extro.com.au which was the Sydney University dial up provider then good ol iname.com. I thought that would be my non service provider bound email address, till they decided to charge for it. Thank god for gmail. - Tom Horn

Compuserve was my first Internet email address. - Gary Walter (gwalter) from fftogo

email.com - Alex Scrivener

Hotmail I'm ashamed to say. - Daniel Drysdale from Nambu

web mail? Gmail. Otherwise Carleton U - Capn' One Eye - adrift

Hotmail as well :( - Drew Lucas

Genie - Randy Caldwell

yahoo - oooh forgot about Juno! - BEX

Actually, my first email was with MCI*Mail. NOT internet email. The next one was Compuserve. Still not internet. My first internet account was on a server at my employer in Austin. - Glen, Bespectacled Elder

My math prof gave me an account on a NeXT box. - Hiro Asari

ISP provider, bellsouth.net, I then upgraded to Hotmail. lol - Sharon McPherson

@MSN.com.. Yup MSN was my first provider. It was them or AOL, and I knew better. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Compuserve was my first "email" (not internet) and nassau community college was my first internet email address - Sean Reiser

A local ISP called Jetlink. - Stan Augustyniewicz

Alta Vista - Brent - Loving Life

My first email address that I used, but didn't control was gmail. My primary address and everyone I've had has been in my own house. - Dustin Sallings

Hotmail. 2MB. Remember that? - David Damore

Mississippi State University. 1990 or 1991... (might have been 89) - Tad

rocketmail.com - James Beake

AOL - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed

stanford.edu - Paola Bonomo

aol - David Dudley

Yahoo - haven't used it for many years now. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

My employer, Microsoft. 1983 - Rod Bauer from twhirl

my very first was in the early 1980s at Uof Penn, my first online email was hotmail - Monique

Hotmail. - Steven Perez

University in '94. didn't know what email was before that. - mikepk

*.syr.edu '90ish. bbs handles since 80s - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Back in Romania, when the whole Internet thing was just showing up there (1993?), a VAX/VMS machine (roearn.ici.ac.ro, also ROEARN on Bitnet) - Tudor Bosman

Prodigy. Before that I was on BBS which was my first chatroom, a lot of people trying to log into a room that would only fit 8. Good times. - zephyrlily

deeptht.armory.com, a local SCO box. still have the account: http://www.armory.com/~peter/ - coffee

AOL of course - Keith - @tsudo

Well my first email was hotmail in like 2004, but before that, our family account was yahoo which was around 94/95 (which i think it was better UI then vs today) now i use gmail for everything! - Bryce Campbell

yep hotmail - Dobromir Hadzhiev

usa.net - Petr Buben

The University of Leeds in 1997, closely followed by Yahoo Mail in the same week. I still have the Yahoo account but only use it to log into Flickr. - Martin Bryant

Compuserve...over and over again with those 30 day trials :) - Mark Krynsky

usa.net (netaddres) - Toni @ NavinoT

On the WWW it was msn.com but I was on BBS before then and the address was something like portofcall.net - Kol Tregaskes

Back at my college (ISU) in the early 90's. Used Pine on a Unix server. - Ward Seward

Hotmail for me too. Amazing that it's still so popular - Gee Ranasinha

Two at same time, utk.edu for work and hotmail for personal, I actually still use that hotmail acct. - Brytne from Nambu

Why is everyone hating on Hotmail? Oh yeah, I know, it's cool to bash MS. It was and is one of the better webmails out there. My first was yahoo.co.uk - Matt Hall

not for sure but i am guessing hotmail maybe yahoo - (jeff)isageek

AOL. - tehKenny, Dork

yahoo - Alfredo

Luukku, it's finnish email service. Not really good... - Kristian Salonen

AOL for sure -- had one under my parents' account, probably early to mid 90s. Signed up for Hotmail in 1997 when I was in college (still have that account, though I really never use it). Of course, I had a standard-issue "geneseo.edu" college account starting in 1996 when I started college. - mark

umich.edu - DGentry

cmich.edu - l.m.orchard from twhirl

Actually, I lie, cmich.edu was my second - some funky FidoNet address leading to a BBS was the first. - l.m.orchard from twhirl

erols out of Maryland then hotmail then gmail with an occasional visit to yahoo mail cause they made me have a yahoo mail account for yahoo IM and other Yahoo properties (flickr). - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

AOL, then freeserve! *1998 face* - Iain Baker

Internal mail in my high school in 94, using Pegasus. Signed up for Hotmail in 95 I think. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I think it was yahoo or usa.net - Shamir Ramjan

worldnet (does not exist anymore, french provider) - Olivier

CompuServe (72740,114) c. 1989, ysu.edu c. 1993 - Michael McKean

Mine was with Hotmail too. :-/ - Ben LaMothe

Compuserve, then Demon and well.com - Fraser Smith

It was "pobox.sk" <- clever name for an email for that time :) abandoded them after some other guys has offered pop3 for free. History long gone. - Dušan Šimonovič

Local ISP and then Hotmail. - Kevin Bondelli

OMG am I as old as Leo Laporte? LOL no, but I had an email account at Rutgers Univ that was numbers (I don't remember what it was though) & then Prodigy was my first - PCChick. funny I'm a mac girl now. - Lynette Young

Local ISP then Hotmail and Yahoo! mail. - Ninh Nguyen

Hotmail, at the time it was good compated to everyone else, then went down the toilet fast, it's better these days but I prefer my Gmail account thank you. - Eric Fisher

Compuserve. I AM NOT A NUMBER! - John Craft

yahoo...still use it, but hate its non-existent spam filter...gmail is still the best at spam cleaning...i have hotmail for msn, but recently they've improved the mail feature, so i use more often now - brainno722 (Peter)

Compuserve (73000,673 if memory serves me right)... and some other obscure usenet type account through a local BBS. - Carlos Granier-Phelps

CompuServe in 1979 (70040,104). - George Brickner

BTW, the CompuServe addresses were known as PPNs (Project Programmer Number). - George Brickner

Hotmail - Damond Nollan

prodigy, if I remember correctly - Chieze Okoye

yep, I was on prodigy too for a couple of months, then Rjcc @aol and i've been using that nick for 13~ years now - Richard Lawler

AOL, back in the day - Matthew Allen Horton

hotmail - Rudolf Olah

Promenade aka AOL, probably. But I've had Hotmail for 10 years -- I got an email celebrating my decade with Hotmail a few weeks ago. - Tamar Weinberg

AOL - Katie is Frittering

Hotmail :( - Mitra_s

uchicago.edu, then nytimes.com finally got my deasil.com address about a year after school and have had that ever since. :) - felix

mine was hotmail too. - Thom Allen

Used excite for a long time, until yahoo and google started theirs up and actually offered some sort of spam protection. - Matt Thompson from fftogo

Juno - Martha

Hotmail. Agree it was awful! I can't believe I ever thought it was okay for the first page of my email client to be a page filled with ads, as opposed to the actual inbox. - Jess Lee

Compuserve. I don't think it was possible to send formatted text outside of Compuserve back then. - howard shippin

TSO, which started out as tso.uc.edu but eventually became tso.cin.ix.net. - Wirehead

UUCP email account at Bell Labs, reached via something like ucbvax!ihnp4!...!fcy Then an account at mcs.net, a Chicago area ISP. - Fred Yankowski

MyOwnEmail.com. I don't know if they're even still around. - James Ferguson

I can't remember if I did juno or hotmail first. I think juno.... - EricaJoy

Mine was with netins.net because they offered toll-free dial-up access in the Spring of 1995 - Michael K Pate

My first email was at my job at Sybase in 1993. - Lisha Sterling from twhirl

aol when I was in 5th grade. Username: hawaiiman2. Cuz hawaii is like cool and stuff. - Daniel Morgan

cix UK - John Francis

cs.berkeley.edu - Piaw Na

I guess my first e-mail account was with my ISP, but the first web based e-mail account was good ol' hotmail. - Jeremy

AOL *facepalm* - Mike Lewis

I think it was AOL or Compuserve - Shevonne

AOL, Delphi or Compuserve, dunno - I partied a lot between then and now. - jcunwired

LOL @Leo!! - jcunwired

My first public email account was with MCI Mail (in the eon of X.25). My first email on a TCP/IP network was with Netcom. - Lorin Olsen

not sure, usa.net or hotmail.com - Gökmen Karasu

Compuserve, then when AOL bought them, Netcom, which was bought by Mindspring, who then was bought by Earthlink - William Harryman

The US government. - Alex Scoble

Hotmail, not msn hotmail. just "Hotmail" - irfan ÖZTÜRK

Same here: pre-MSN Hotmail. - josh neff, geek at large

MSN.com -- I was a beta tester for the MSN network during it's Windows 95 Launch. I had FREE dialup access during the extended beta testing period. - Anthony K. Valley ©

AOL - I HAD MAIL! - Mona Nomura

Mine was a free email account from a local ISP (community.net). - Beau Liening

oh shit... it must've been Compuserve, although I don't remember if I had real email in there.If not, Yahoo Mail was the first portal mail I had (and I had jungleg@yahoo.com, but then lost it for some reason and couldn't get it back) - Jorge Escobar

uh.edu, then hotmail. - Arlan Koizumi

UUCP email on unix .. circa 86 - Peter Dawson

comunista@aol.com - i thought it was funny. - mike

starwarsbuff@hotmail.com - yeah, that was back in middle school. LOL - Mike Templeton

Mindspring.com - Darrell Bell from twhirl

hawaii.edu - Josh Haley

aol - Amber, Random Time Lord

Aol huuuh - Marie Jubin from Nambu

Admittedly - AOL. - AJ Kohn

@tamu.edu - Carlos M. Gomes

AOL > Compuserve > Burntmail - Kevin Pruett

first email account was @andrew.cmu.edu & first webmail was with lycos! - Matyjas from fftogo

USA.net - Hel Hel

Prodigy! Oh wow. That was a long time ago. I remember I had some 25 cents an e-mail plan. I used to get in trouble from my parents when I went over my allotted amount. I can't imagine paying 25 cents an e-mail today. - Jennifer Mitchell

execpc.com. haha. - David Chartier from BuddyFeed

Compuserve - Bryan R. Adams

pitt.edu, then netaxs.com. - B. Hatin

Penn State University - Ernie Oporto

My graduate school, University of Kentucky. It was on VMS. - MiniMage - HLtW

hotmail - Dane Findley

angelfire - Rachel Lea Fox

Hotmail, but they closed it due to inactivity. I wish I still had it, though. It's impossible to get my name anywhere now. - Michael Fidler

Yahoo. Now I'm in gmail and I love it... - Amy H.

Local ISP, Connect2 I think was the name. Haha. Didn't even have 56K internet speed yet at the time. First web based email was Hotmail before Microsoft acquired it. - Rolf Schewe

Other than my Bell Labs account? Delphi. Fun-ky... - John Blossom

AOL and then Hotmail....two real winners.....not! - Bonnie Foster

hotmail 1995 - Muge Cerman

mail.com *shrug* XD - Francisco

AOL -> Yahoo -> gmail - imabonehead

Hotmail for me. I haven't used it in 3 years. - Michael Forian

My first emailaddress was at my own designstudio: hoofdcommissaris@cops.nl (meaning 'chief of police') And brought me my nickname Hoof (or Hoof99). - Ruud van Wijngaarden

hotmail - Bill Hice

@msstate.edu, my university in 1996? - Phillip Stewart

Messaging on the Univac in late 70s probably, at the college. BITNET, HEPNET, ARPANET in late 1980s. (Ignoring the BBS phenom of 80s.) EDU & GOV 1989+ My own domain I hosted around 1994. NEVER AOL or that fake-Internet stuff of the mid-90s. Ewww! After years of GOV, moved to COM at work in 1999. Started using GMAIL for all my personal mail when that was in Beta. I now have about 20 domains forward to GMAIL. - John Johnson

not counting university and school, or BBSes? My first email account would then have been jnebbe@ibm.net (back the first time when IBM did internet services) - they were one of the few to have reasonable dial up plans with a multi-country presence - and I was using OS/2 a lot then too. After it got bought by ATT and they changed the address, I decided that I would always have my own domain for email, so I would never lose people because I lose an email. Hosted it myself for years, now it's all with fastmail - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Yahoo. God bless Gmail! - Özgür Akman

"pipeline". anachronistic friend still has email account with them. - Marg Uerite

it was either aol or nyonline - Lynne d Johnson

Hotmail. Still have it. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Hotmail...then I transferred to Gmail - Nicholas James

AOL for me... horrible. - Michelle

Yeah, hotmail. Not great is it... - Rich

yahoo, broke before I could use it then got a Hotmail - Yant

Dwight Silverman

good morning, campers! forgot to charge the iPhone overnight. there WILL be consequences.

January 26, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Been there, done that. I've got an extra cradle at the office that can bail me out when that happens on a work day. - Allen Blair

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January 18, 2009 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Children's Sermons from Sermons 4 Kids | Object Lessons & Children's ... - http://www.sermons4kids.com/

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LOST - Kate & Aaron Season Five Sneak Peek - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

January 14, 2009 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

Yet another LOST sneak peek. Just one more week!!!!!! - Allen Blair

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Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Don't Buy Stuff - http://www.hulu.com/watch...

January 6, 2009 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

Great video clip! Thanks to Chris Forbes for the original post. - Allen Blair

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MediaPost Publications - Full-Frontal: 'New York Times' Sells Ads Below Fold - 01/06/2009 - http://www.mediapost.com/publica...

January 6, 2009 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

First time ever for the New York Times to place an ad on the front page. - Allen Blair

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January 3, 2009 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

One word for this: CRAZY! - Allen Blair

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David Allen: Getting Things Done - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

January 2, 2009 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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I'm just about done reading his book "Getting Things Done". It's a really good book about being more productive and reducing stress. - Allen Blair

Merlin's site, www.43folders.com, is helpful with all things GTD. - Robert Linthicum

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Welcome to EPIC International - http://epicinternational.org/

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Susan Beebe

Wow, I can't believe I am 40 years old today! I sure don't feel (or act) like it! :)

December 26, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Happy Birthday!!!! - George Smith

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Happy Birthday! - Andrew

I'm 43 (almost 44) and I still don't act it! Happy Birthday! - Robert Scoble

Happy Birthday Miss Beebe! From Katie :o) - Katie is Frittering

HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY to you!!!! - Live4Emma (L4S)

Happy Birthday Susan ... hope you have a great day!!! - Emma

Happy Birthday, Susan! 40 is the new 20 with money! >*.*< - mandyvan

Happy Birthday! - Michelle Martinez

Gratulerer med dagen, Susan. Happy Birthday! - Thomas Bøhm

Happy Birthday! - David Ward

Happy Birthday Susan! - Brian Roy

Happy birthday. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

enjoy! cheers! - AJ Batac

Happy birthday! - Erin @queenofspain

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! - Cardeen Martinez

Abby - eating more dark chocolate, surfing FF and ordering more goodies on Amazon (replacement AMEX card finally arrived) - all my favorite hobbies at 1 time... home made Espresso is next! - Susan Beebe

Go for it Susan, sounds heavenly :) Have a great day! - Nicola Quinn

Hey, Happy Birthday! I did that once and it wasn't so bad. - Martha

Happy Birthday, Susan! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Happy Birthday, Susan!! Sounds like you're doin' it right. :-) - Lisa L. Seifert

You don't look at day over 7 in your avatar, but I suppose it took a few years to learn to type with those gray paws - RAPatton

Happy birthday Susan :) - Alejandro

o, happy day! - Egyirba from twhirl

Happy Birthday! - Summer

happy birthday! I do think the key to eternal youth is your mental age :D - alphaxion

Happy Birthday! Is it a bummer to have your b'day right after Xmas? - asiriusgeek

HBD! - Kevin Johnson

Happy Birthday Susan:) - Segate

Happy Birthday! =) - *Tiffany Diamond*

Happy Birthday Susan! - Allen Blair

Happy Birthday!!:) - Patrik Johansson

Happy birthday :) - Joe Dawson

Happy happy happy Birthday. You'll like 40. :-) - Chris Baskind

Young or old is all mental. Don't worry about the number, just keep having fun! And, Happy Birthday! :D - Chris, Without Direction

Happy Birthday! - Trish R

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Happy Birthday! I'll be 40 in 4.3 months :) - Mike Reynolds

Happy birthday Susan! - Mitchell Tsai

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http://twitpic.com/we6c - Facebook iPhone app weirdness...

December 25, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

An annoying problem I have is it says "2 hours ago" on nearly every post regardless of when it was actually posted. - Allen Blair

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LOST - Jack & Ben Season Five Sneak Peek - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Robert Scoble

Thought for the morning: Every 10 days Facebook grows a Twitter.

December 17, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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How so? Numbers? or what? - Cheryl Smith

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FB is adding 5 million users every 10 days?! - Matt Hooper

Facebook is adding 600,000 people a day. Twitter is rumored to be about 6 million users. - Robert Scoble

And every second Twitter grows my blog. - Håkan Dahlström

users?? - Francisco Kemeny

Does each of those growth segments matter as much as Twitter though? I think not. But it gives an interesting perspective. - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

You mean they're adding "small countries" every 10 days ;) - Dana Fosburgh

Twitter is for bloggers (@ this time...). Facebook is for people. Why? Most people will never have a blog. And that's okay! - Catholic Meme

Agree, Fransisco. HUGE difference between a subscriber and a user. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

how many of the users twitter users that join are real people and not spammers. & the same with facebook. - James Bayliss

Twitter is for bloggers? Nah, I don't think that's true. Many people use it via mobile for simple communications. Some of them have no clue about this whole blog thing. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

WOW those growth stats are mind numbing....impressive!!! - Susan Beebe

I can see this happening. Some of my friends and family that a few years ago I never imagined would even get internet access, much less join a social network are now signing up for Facebook. This includes the ones that are concerned with privacy. - Allen Blair

Twitter is for everybody. Facebook and blogs aren't. <-- the secret to Twitter's success! - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

My husband was talking with his 70+ yo mom last night about FB. Her sister is on, updating status and playing scrabble. It's a great way to keep family members engaged, in addition to the many business applications. - Cheryl Smith

More and more of the "normal" people I know in real life are joining FB. None of them have ever heard of Twitter. - Andy Roth

6 Million users a day? You have got to be kidding? That is not per month? - Darin aka iGoByDoc

Meh. Short term statistics are nice, but especially when talking about growth you need to consider product life-cycles and exogenous trend-changing events. - David Wynn from fftogo

One Twitter = 100 Identi.Ca? - David Parmet from twhirl

all the more amazing given Facebook has 140 million subscribers. They're growing into the non-techie Mainstream now. - Pete Steege

Facebook usually talks in terms of active users (users who have returned to the site in the last 30 days). And keep in mind, there is almost nothing t do on facebook unless you are regeistered. That helps explain why in the past, their active user numbers have been pretty close to comscore's estimates of their monthly uniques. - Erik S

People's myopia is funny. The techie crowd was never a hugely important audience for Facebook (or even myspace). Both really caght fire by appealing to a generation who grew up with the Net. Probably 90% of the entering class of my alma mater was on Facebook before even a quarter of my techie friends were. That myopia may also cause people to miss progress of techie darlings into the mainstream. Google insights suggests that interest in Twitter has spread well beyond typical tech centers in the past year - Erik S

I think that line is from "It's A Wonderful Life". - Kevin Leroux

Are "twitters" contagious? Will I get one if I share a drink on Facebook? - Marla

Facebook is such as hugely different crowd for me-- even diff't than linkedIn too. I mix it all together, but one needs to be in more than one place these days - Doug Haslam from twhirl

I find very few techies on FB. It is way more social and a lot less network, too "cutesy" than ever with little icons and way too much trivia to wade through. Broadcast vs.cable, again. - Phil Boiarski

I would love to see a visualization of the data over time. Based on the 600K per day, they have added the entire population of New York City and Philadelphia in December. - Rob Diana

Soon Facebook will have to sponsor a breeding program to keep their growth rate up. As a stick they can say have 3 babies or we'll suspend your account. As a carrot, well that doesn't seem necessary. - Todd Hoff

Its still WAY cleaner than the MySpace nightmare zone! - Eric Rost

Echo'ing Erik & Phil. My techie college friends are barely on FB... - Mitchell Tsai

imo, Twitter will surpass Facebook over time in number of active users. Eventually it will be the preferred social networking platform that people will use as a starting point to other svcs. The former is simple as google and allows much more opportunities to engage w/people from all stripes vs the latter.. - Lee Hsieh

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Church Hands Out $100 Bills, Takes Parable to Heart| Christianpost.com - http://christianpost.com/article...

December 17, 2008 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

Very interesting. I can see people getting excited about participating in something like this. I would like to hear some of the creative ideas the people came up with. - Allen Blair

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Seacoast Church: Next Steps - http://www.mynextsteps.org/

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Church Leader Insights - http://www.churchleaderinsights.com/podcast...

December 16, 2008 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

Good 30 minute podcast about eight good books for church leaders from 2008. - Allen Blair

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Robert Scoble

I am an expert in separating news from noise. @mkrigsman makes fun of me for saying that. I've been studying this for 25 years.

December 13, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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So you would not use a service that helps you to find stuff that really matters to you, let´s within your social graph, across social networks? I mean another than FF- - Bastian

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Isn't what is news vs. what is noise largely subjective? I mean - you have a better feel for what a specific demographic will see as news... but to make that an absolute... bit of a reach. Some stuff you find interesting I wouldn't read if I was paid to do it. - Brian Roy

Brian: I'm an expert at it, not perfect. :-) - Robert Scoble

But, yes, your news is my noise and vice versa. The real answer is that we're all expert at it, not just me. If we weren't able to separate news from noise we wouldn't be able to survive. - Robert Scoble

My image of Scoble's brain... a 49er panning for gold (coming up with fool's gold, too) - Michael Markman

I agree with Scoble on this one. My own filters are more reliable than others' in most cases. I can figure out what's news, what's not, and would rather do it myself. - Karoli

do you check your @ replies on Twitter or just FriendFeed instead? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Robert - you should write a book on this topic, seriously. We are inundated in today's info overload culture. How do you do it? What tips and techniques do you advise for folks who are looking to consume vast amounts of information that is *meaningful* and actionable. I am starting to follow about 5,000 people online... still not maxed, but aware of need for tools, filtering, etc. - Susan Beebe

The problem is that separating news from noise can take time. Some of these web services are getting better at this (you can choose who you follow), but I would like to see an easy way to rely on technology to filter out noise while delivering the best news. I've shifted from primarily monitoring twitter to FF. It seems to be another step in the right direction, especially with the "Best of Day", however it still takes the most popular stories as a whole & not necessarily the stories about my interests. - Allen Blair

Jannifer: I read my @replies on Twitter and read almost everything on FriendFeed, too. - Robert Scoble

Susan: I'll think about that, but writing a book requires turning off Twitter and doing real work. I hate that. - Robert Scoble

Is it hard for you to remember what you did before twitter and friendfeed since they take up most of your time now? lol - Rob

Robert, just Tweet all your thoughts then compile them later. ;) - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Robert - soo true! ok forget it, I wouldn't want to deprive you of FF and twitter! :D - Susan Beebe

if you read my @reply from twitter regarding sending you custom "decal" w/ your son's name, that would be ok for me to do then? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Veronica

I wonder if there's an RSS feed out there that shows Amazon's daily deals for MP3s? That would be handy.

December 13, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Basics - Solid-State Computing, Without a Whirring Drive - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...

December 12, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Seagate should worry about this trend. I store very little on my laptop's hard drive anymore. What about you? - Robert Scoble from Bookmarklet

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"without a whirring drive" - sounds Proustian. - tom matrullo

On the other hand, we have tons of terabyte hard drives full of HD video. So, this can be counteracted by getting more teenagers HD video cameras so they shoot video and need to store it. - Robert Scoble

I'm glad you are finally saying they should worry about this trend. This is the future. Mechanical hard drive manufacturers will either become SSD manufacturers in 10 years or cease to exist. Intel has made a lot of moves and partnering with other companies and will gain a foothold in what is now just a tiny segment of the storage industry. - Dr. Apps from twhirl

Dr. Apps: I think Seagate will surprise here. The expertise to make heads for hard drives is also very useful to building SSD's. - Robert Scoble

SSD does seem to be the direction that things are heading in our increasingly mobile society. - Mathew A. Koeneker

I store a LOT of data on my laptop's drive. I'm actually looking at upgrading my 250GB internal drive to a 500GB drive. - Raoul Pop

Raoul: I store a lot on my external drives hooked up to my laptop, but very little on my laptop itself anymore. Seagate shouldn't worry too much about young people, though. My 15-year-old son has tons of videos, music, etc. stored on his. - Robert Scoble

Tried an SSD & loved it. Waiting for my laptops hard drive to die before I replace it with a SSD, my guess is around 6 months longer. I don't think Seagate should be worried, we still love storage, we're just moving it onto the cloud for better efficiency. - Steven Cains

IBM release 1petabyte flash drives in 2012. Then everyone can look forward to having a data center in their computers. - Baba

I use the laptop's hard drive for applications, primarily. The only exception is my MacBook, but that's more of a desktop machine in function anyway; it very rarely travels with me. - teleken

before we bury Seagate et. al., remember they move forward with density as well. could you turn down 5TB for $100? At some price point, whiring disks still works at some density/price. - Wilma Stoneflint

I have a Macbook Air with the 64Gb SSD, and even though it´s not the fastest, and is pretty small capacity by today´s standards, I love the silence and haven´t stumbled into any space issues yet (although it´s not my primary). I even ordered my new Macbook Pro 2.8 with "only" 250Gb HD because, as Robert said, I store more things on a shared NAS or the cloud these days. It´s great that it´s so easy to switch out the HD with a SSD at a later stage in the new MB/Ps. - Thomas Bøhm

I store little on the laptop's hard drive. I don't use local email on any of my computers, and I tend to put docs I know I want to share onto Google docs or somewhere like IDrive. Another service I use a lot is drop.io - at least as temporary storage while on the go. Not got any SSD yet though it's only a matter of time. - Ian May

I store music and video on my hard drive, everything else goes to online services (google mail, google docs, evernote, ...); i have some textfiles lying around, mostly notes I took at meetings. - Uwe Schwarz

I can't tell you the last time I noticed the whirring of my laptop drive, they're virtually silent these days. - Kenton

not sure which trend you mean. the article is confusing. it conflates the ideas of cloud computing/cloud storage with the move to SSDs. the article OPENS with a Seagate exec who "lays awake at night worrying" that data is moving to the cloud. then the article ENDS with the *same* exec saying he "rests easier" knowing that data is moving to the cloud, because his company makes data center hard drives. wtf? dude, which is it? staying awake at night or resting easier? :-D - Karim

sandwiched in between these conflicting cloud observations :-) is actually a really nice, well-written piece about the move from conventional hard drives to SSDs. which surprised me because, while i love the NYT, the technology writing (Pogue aside) has tended to be on the *trailing* edge of tech and not on stuff i, personally, am considering buying. :-D so kudos for the middle part. - Karim

I wish there was a way to block comments in the real time friendfeed feed. Sometimes I think people comment on popular stories only to be seen. - James Thomson

Karim: Seagate will figure out how to make all sorts of storage devices. If the argument is between local and cloud storage, Seagate shouldn't lose any sleep. If the argument is between hard drives and SSD's, then Seagate should lose some sleep until they figure out how to make SSD's too. But, seeing how a 500GB drive costs $56 retail now I don't see a lot of things going SSD except for the richest people. I can't afford SSD's and I'm probably in the most likely part of the market to buy a laptop with those - Robert Scoble

thats a fairly short sighted arguments, think 18 months down the line, SSD's will at least half in price, if not more. - Alex Kessinger from IM

Alex: and so will hard drives. What would you rather have? 60GB of SSD for still a way too high price or 500GB of hard drive for $25? - Robert Scoble

I understand that. SSD's I think will las longer. If I know that my 60GB of data is safe I would rather buy the SSD. I will let cloud providers deal with hassle of triple redudant 500GBs HD, because the chance it will fail is high. I will pay a preimum for SSD because I think its superior at lasting longer. - Alex Kessinger from IM

Alex: you are absolutely wrong. SSD's actually have error rates FAR higher than hard drives. You just see that as reduced storage, but they do have problems according to my friends at Sun Microsystems that study such things. - Robert Scoble

you mean because they have a higher failure rate, they have reduced storage? I may not have understood what you said. What I meant is that I have had a numbe of HD's and the fail at much higher rates for me, then any of my SSD drives. - Alex Kessinger from IM

Alex: yes, that's what I mean. I have had friends with SSD's that have died, though, too. They aren't without errors that can destroy data, so keep backing up your devices! - Robert Scoble

Robert -- Seagate is supposed to announce SSD in 2009, but unless they go into the NAND Flash memory business, they might have to purchase memory and controllers from a company that does (e.g. Samsung, Micron, Numonyx...) This would be a big change to a vertically integrated company like Seagate. I've heard rumors that they would just *buy* a NAND Flash manufacturer... at least that way they could make SSD profitably :-D - Karim

I store very little on my laptop's hard drive these days. I could definitely live with a smaller SSD someday. Some of the netbooks look pretty good. My next computer will be a MacBook Pro though. - Allen Blair

the price/performance of hard disks is improving, but the price/performance of SSDs seems to be improving even faster. hard drive capacities obey Moore's law, but not hard drive performance: i'm guessing silicon has a greater chance of obeying Moore's law in performance than a mechanical spinning disk. - Karim

This reminds me of an interview with William Gibson that I read where he didn't even know that computers made noise until after he had written Neuromancer. - Akiva Moskovitz

re capacity growth: found one article (http://www.tgdaily.com/content...) that says SSDs are "doubling their capacity every 12 months, while traditional hard drives currently show a capacity growth of about 50% per year." 50% per year is Moore's law. 100% per year is growing *faster* than Moore's law. Here's another page where the author predicts SSD will outstrip Moore's law in the short term: http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-law... - Karim

what about failure rates, I think that is another dimension that these things need to be in context with - Alex Kessinger from IM

Clearly, no moving parts is the long-term win. But SSDs as we know them today are a stop-gap. There's too much performance overhead in making them look like spinning platters. Increasing capacities (of all kinds of media) will also soon dictate need for new error-correction methods. There's too much at stake when 10 years of data fits in your pocket. - LogEx

I don't own a laptop. I do own a 2.5 TB NAS with moving parts. I will trust SSDs when the random seeks on nonjournaled filesystems don't kill the drive perfomance and lifespan - Michael W. May

My data is on laptop and backed up daily to my LACIE 1 terabyte NAS server at home which has a 500GB backup (yeah, backup to my backup); even considering Amazon online storage in case my house burns down. Last week i was looking at SSDs for my laptop... I need 24/7/365 access for my data... so I was automatically thinking SSD - no seek time issue..fast !! - Susan Beebe

Robert Scoble

Facebook turned off ability to email in photos, @davidgeller says. That's lame, but Zuckerberg and Co don't care what I find lame. :-)

December 12, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Yes, I find that annoying. You can upload them from the iPhone FB app though. Still, why no email? - jjprojects

That is definitely annoying. I don't want to have to launch the FB app. When I am in picture taking mode with the iPhone, I want to be able to do everything with the camera app alone, including uploading photos. - Allen Blair

Jason Calacanis

anyone else having gmail problems

December 9, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I think Gmail was down for a few minutes yesterday. But it's working for me today. - Michael

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I had a few emails delivered to me 3 hours after they were sent - but it seems to be working alright for me now. - Hooeyspewer

Yup. Been having lots of issues for the past hour or two. - Kamath (नमः)

haven't used it much but firefox wouldn't load my gmail and did on second try, but slow - just tried again and worked normally - ernie yacub

i have similar problem. but i have problems with firefox in general plus itunes as well. i hope i didn't install that flash.exe virus in my computer. - excalipoor

no problems here. using Chrome - Allen Blair

yep - Bob Sonin

Very slow loading. Same thing happened last night. Everything seems fine now. - Brandon

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November 20, 2008 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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