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What service should we use to let the world know our new baby has been born? Participate here:
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When Milan was born we used Twitter and Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos... is our set.
- Robert Scoble
Simultaneous. Ping.fm
- Ben Parr
We used TwitterGram to record audio of his cry. That cry is already gone. Sigh. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
@oprah
- Johnny Worthington
US Mail, so they'll leave you in peace for awhile.
- howard shippin
maybe ask someone to build a new service called baby.fm for JUST twitter style messages re: babies. you and louis gray could fill that mofo up!
- drew olanoff
Heheh. No, what happens is if you don't announce it then the family just keeps bugging you until they know what's going on.
- Robert Scoble
i disagree with doing this. but i respect anyone who want to share this publicly :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
baby.fm/scobles
- drew olanoff
i will just wait for the kid's growing up so that he can tweet himself.. kekeh :)
- RICK CHOI
The problem is the family will likely to be the last to know if you use the web... Grandma does not check twitter very often!
- Ben
Definitely Facebook statuses. That's what all my friends did when their baby showed up! :) You kinda don't want the world to know... just the people who know you!
- Jackie
Better yet, on baby.fm, friends and family can follow you and choose how they want the alert.
- drew olanoff
sms to family + twitter. family proceeded to spread rumors on facebook, saving us the trouble.
- Leyla M
Have Kanye interrupt... worked for him
- Johnny Worthington
Justin.TV Stream it live! *just kidding*
- Adam Jackson
Keep it simple - Facebook and Twitter
- Mike Doeff
What about something like: http://hasthelargehadroncollid...
- Johnny Worthington
i second US mail. i have a copy of one that my parents sent out when i was born and it's pretty meaningful to me :)
- Alexis Hope
johnny, i love that. haha.
- Alexis Hope
email broadcast :)
- esaarem
Jackie: actually letting the world know last time on Twitter was really great. Lots of people follow us and want to know what's up.
- Robert Scoble
Probably a combination twitter and PicasaWeb.
- Adam Martin
Anyway, looks like the baby has a good chance of coming Saturday.
- Robert Scoble
Drew: baby.fm is a bad URL. Are you sure about that?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, make sure to enjoy the moment!
- Mike Doeff
Mike: the moment is always fun and crazy. Looking at the pictures of Milan I can't believe that was just two years ago. Time is going too fast!
- Robert Scoble
Email Gallery to Posterous >> E V E R Y W H E R E
- Tanner Powell
Cinch! http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I just told Alan Levy, their CEO, to contact you about a new product they're working on that would work well for that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Cinch will have potentially the same problem that twittergram had. How do you know they will still be in business five years from now?
- Robert Scoble
But I do like BlogTalkRadio and hope they do stick around and would love to use them for Ryan's birth.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it's RSS, and the audio's downloadable. You can back it all up.
- Jesse Stay
Your Google Reader will have backups. So will FriendFeed (assuming it's around)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yeah, right. Audio on my hard drive is lame compared to audio on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Google Reader and FriendFeed aren't on your hard drive. :-)
- Jesse Stay
That's the same problem with any company you do something like that with - it's up to you to have backups in place to be sure your data stays around after they go away.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: quick: find that audio on my Google Reader. You can't. FriendFeed wasn't even in existence when Milan was born. Shows how fast this industry moves.
- Robert Scoble
That's why you've got to add it to your Google Reader, or save it as a backup.
- Jesse Stay
The highest bidder?
- Andrew Warner
from iPhone
How about a Songline http://www.songlinepresents.com micro-documentary?
- Steve Wilhelm
Jesse: what's funny is I rarely use Google Reader today. It's so slow for me that I can't bear to open it up.
- Robert Scoble
It makes a good backup though, and Google will be around for awhile :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: remember Google's Dodgeball? So much for being around for awhile.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that risk is with everything you do online, which is why you can't use that for an excuse. If you want a backup, put it on disk somewhere, which is what Cinch allows you to do. At least it automates the distribution for you though.
- Jesse Stay
Have Rackspace set up a script that reads the RSS from cinch and stores each file on a backup somewhere. Or trust Cinch to do that. Or do it manually. RSS is the most basic form of distribution so you can do what you want with it.
- Jesse Stay
Note that I have no financial obligation to Cinch - I just like Alan Levy. He took me and Dave Winer to a Mets game while I was out there. :-)
- Jesse Stay
I also like the basic premise - it's nice and open and easy to work with at the very basic level.
- Jesse Stay
Use 'em all - phone calls, sms, Twitter, Facebook, FF, blog post, etc. I'd love to get cards printed up and send them out, but dang, that would get expensive at 55c per card just for postage, plus when do you find time with a newborn in the house?
- Mellissa Jane
Robert: Twitter's not mainstream in SE Asia yet. I've observed that most folks here are still relying on Facebook to reach out. Twitter works great for public figures who engage generously with their followers like yourself, though I wonder if that works as well for career network marketers with 15k+ followers. I don't think most of their followers actually care... I think regional...
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- Jackie
Jesse: the thing is if you can't get to your items it doesn't matter that you have them backed up. Everyone's Tweets are still online, but no one can get to them. Backups won't help.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you can get them when they come out. Remember your blog? Again, with anything you store it's your responsibility to make sure you get a backup. Also, if you talk to Alan Levy you may like what he's working on - it may solve some of your concerns.
- Jesse Stay
FWIW I lost the first cries of my baby as well - need to ask Alan if they still have backups. I was stupid for not downloading it at the time.
- Jesse Stay
My Ustreams of it all are still up though: http://staynalive.com/article... (just the before and after shots, don't worry)
- Jesse Stay
Ustream is extremely hard to backup - I wish they provided RSS like Cinch.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: oh, that's right, wasn't Twittergram a service of BlogTalkRadio?
- Robert Scoble
twitter of course! Then we'll all know exactly the same time as you! LOL
- Sandra Large
Oh and Ben, this Granny checks twitter all the time!
- Sandra Large
Robert, yeah - they did Twittergram, and are now shifting that focus to Cinch in a much less platform-reliant manner
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: can you ask them about Twittergram? It would be nice to get that MP3 out of the system.
- Robert Scoble
Use the oral/aural tradition. Write a poem or a song. Play, speak or sing it. Record it. Publish it everywhere, everyway. It will be heard and remembered. The media will not be the message. The message will be the message.
- David Newman
from iPhone
David: If I were a poet or a songwriter, that's what I would do. I'm not. But I can take video, shoot pictures, and write. So that's what I'll do.
- Robert Scoble
The local paper, to be sure that the baby can survive Birthers when he's up for the presidency.
- Kevin Fox
Robert yeah - thanks for reminding me btw. I want to get my baby's first cries out of there as well. :-) I'll ask Alan.
- Jesse Stay
I forgot to get a copy of the local paper for our last baby. I was too focused online. He'll be the only one of our kids without one. I keep kicking myself for that!
- Jesse Stay
think we need an online countdown.. whats the predictions?
- Tyson
Tyson, @maryamie held a contest among our close friends. Most of them thought it would happen next week. Ryan's due date is September 26th. But looks like it might happen Saturday. They are pulling us in for a procedure and they said it will probably start the process on Saturday. We will know by noon on Saturday, though, what's up.
- Robert Scoble
The baby will be a boy or girl?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer: it's a boy. His name will be Ryan Soroush Scoble. Yes, RSS.
- Robert Scoble
OH that is awesome!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Mate, just finishing up my Friday arvo at work.. few drinks on the balcony, lovely! RSS!! legendary!
- Tyson
Dave should be proud! :)
- Tyson
Tyson: and Milan's initials are MS and his middle name is William, same as Gates' first name (and my dad's). So how's that for geekdom! :-)
- Robert Scoble
That is a classic! Funny, one of the companies in our group is Geekdom.. Mate, your children more than anyones deserve the honour thats for sure!
- Tyson
thinks.. *probably should settle down and have kids soon* with all this talk.. looking forward to popping the champer's when it happens! - for you that is..
- Tyson
Its cool that Ryan will be able to read all this one day too.. conversations about him before he was even born. Hey Ryan! :)
- Tyson
The Pony Express!
- Johan Bakken
Tyson: I doubt this conversation will last online until he's old enough to care about looking back.
- Robert Scoble
it is perhaps that i am developing a luddite side but it seems such a strange question to ask - put it in one place and it will cascade naturally everywhere anyway, and I imagine you'll be busy with real in person things... PS: or make someone's day and use a service you dont use much or havent used yet...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
That's interesting Robert, why wouldn't it? Facebook gobble it up and wipe it out? or maybe we just won't communicate this way anymore or maybe the "browsers" won't even read this site?
- Tyson
from BuddyFeed
I think one day he will look through this.. If he can.
- Tyson
from BuddyFeed
If you have to do it online email.
- Crispin Heath
You should go with some form of SAP installation.
- Rich Puskarich
Alternative thought: Let Maryam decide.
- Sue
Don't say a thing online. Tell your friends and see how long it takes to 'leak' online.
- Andrew Leyden
@qik & a Flip camera? Qik will go to Youtube automatically, tell twitter/fb/ff. Flip for higher quality and backup? photos - send it to @pixelpipe :-)
- Courtney Engle
Robert, you should check out Cinch again. www.cinchcast.com I can get you the iphone app pre release but it works on your mobile phone as well. The app can add photo's and text to your audio file.
- alan
OurDoings because 1. OurDoings is here to stay, 2. You'll be busy, 3. OurDoings captures the story like nothing else. http://ourdoings.com/2009-09...
- Bruce Lewis
When our sonwas born two months ago, I used thisMoment.com for photo and video which in turn sent updates to Twitter, ff, facebook. Now? I would probably just email them to posterous and have posterous do notices to keep it simple.
- Brett G
from iPhone
Shepherds have been known to be used. For my own kids, we called some by phone then emailed the balance of people. Of course I eagerly updated the baby pool website (http://bebepool.com <--100% bias for me to mention that, btw) to see whose predications were closest. But, all of these are old school methods, I'm sure you'll come up with something creative. :)
- Micah Wittman
I used TwitPic (via PockeTwit on my PDA) to announce Tim Mackaaij - http://twitter.com/mackaai... while my homepage was temporary a realtime embed of FriendFeed. I showed a room which also imported my @mentions. On a seperate page I chose to show only tweets by me using this Yahoo Pipe http://bit.ly/3EDpa (which was not imported realtime by FriendFeed). If I had to do it over I'd look into a mobile client for FriendFeed and use that solely.
- Patrick Mackaaij
Congratulations Robert... may God bless you and yours : )
- Mark Harai
Congrats Robert.
- Al Stevens
my family around the globe has announced new babies via Facebook! Still tends to be more personal. Congrats!
- Michelelarge
The new Google Chrome rocks. Freaking fast. Noticeably faster. Now up for testing? @threadsy
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It's been very slow for me the last two days (I just installed the latest). Page loads are slower than IE7 for me.
- Michelle
definetely slower on my test machines... it's faster than version 2 alright, but still too slow. now we're [the company I work for] considering not to support it internally. Version 1 and betas were lot faster.
- Özgür D. Cyric
Really? Seems a lot faster here. Must do more testing.
- Robert Scoble
Always liked it, but still no plugins. It's still JUST a browser.
- Paul Puri
don't change from Firefox and Opera to Chrome, missing nothing...
- Ronald
It has extensions, I'm using an ad blocking extension and it is every bit as good as Firefox.
- Kenton
Where can I find the Greasemonkey extension. How about my Xmarks bookmarks sync and Lastpass password sync?
- Paul Puri
Kenton, do you have a link to the adblock extension?
- David
The only one I found is http://www.adsweep.org/ but it's been discontinued. And anyway it was nowhere near as effective as AdBlock Plus is.
- Otto
I started using Chrome because I thought I needed those extra microseconds. But then I realized I lost a lot more. Productivity is not about speed but about agility. FireFox gives me the tools I need all in one place. Chrome gives me...... well.... really there is nothing improved by Chrome. It starts faster? It surfs faster? It runs certain web apps faster? Is it all about speed? I say no.
- Paul Puri
I love Chrome. I've used it exclusively since it released a year ago.
- Al Stevens
Chrome is the best browser there is.
- Tomy Thomson
But why is it the best for you? I keep hearing all these praises, but no rational behind it. I thought it was the best as well, until I asked myself what it does for me that Firefox didn't. The answer? Nothing. It does nothing for me except run slightly faster. Memory management is not that great. It has no decent plugs to right home about. Of course, it is still young in the OS war games. Maybe in a year or two that will change.
- Paul Puri
For me: It's fast. Subjectively speaking, rendering is way faster than Firefox, and the UI is more responsive than Safari. The latest iterations successfully quarantines Flash from taking down the whole browser. It doesn't memory hogging features that I never use. Obviously, YMMV.
- Victor Ganata
I don't seem to have the same problems other people do with Firefox. Maybe because I keep my systems clean and focused. If Chrome had the few features I needed from FireFox, then it would be fantastic. If all you need is a browser, than Chrome is an excellent choice.
- Paul Puri
IMO, Firefox has never been very good in Mac OS X from the start. I've always liked Camino much better. Firefox is a much better experience in Windows. (I'm using it right now.)
- Victor Ganata
Not to mention that Windows has always been a better experience for me than OSX. But that is another discussion. LOL.
- Paul Puri
I'm finding the latest build a little sluggish and buggy. Weird rendering issues and poorer performance with Flash sites.
- Andrew Smith
Until I can get Adblock, Xmarks, and LastPass, it's a no go for me.
- Matt
@Matt EXACTLY!
- Paul Puri
It doesn't seem fast to me, plus I just don't like it.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Chrome is the fastest browser, Firefox 3.5 comes close but nothing more than close. I don't care for plug-ins or extensions, i am all for speed. Chrome is my default browser since it came out, at home and at the office. Plus i like the GUI. No buttons, menu's, status bar etc. Just a clear and clean window to show web pages.
- Nik
Nik, that's the way I felt about it at first. But after awhile, the simplicity became more of a burden. I visit a minimum of 10 password protected sites a day and have those open in tabs. I open Firefox, login with my main password on Lastpass, hit favorites, and boom. Within 10 seconds of starting up I have all my favorite sites open and logged in. Now that's fast.
- Paul Puri
Thankfully, Chromium.app works with the normal Keychain mechanism in OS X. Unfortunately, that doesn't help anyone on Windows.
- Victor Ganata
I love Chrome, that is all :)
- Susan Beebe
Chrome is my preferred browser for my typical web activities.
- Jim Turner
I like using chrome on one of my machines because it is very quick in startup and generally fast on that Athlon 2000 machine. And that was the previous release.
- Michele Costabile
I've been using Chrome for the past few months and love it. The latest update is welcomed and noticeable. I'm not sure what people are running when they say the browser is sluggish, but on all the computers I use... I have yet to find one that runs Chrome sluggish. People that mention extensions... I never really used them. However, extensions are available on Chrome through the dev...
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- Jason Hansen
Crome 2 messed up my hdmi 3rd monitor but ver 3 is fixed. it's still to slim on extras that I lovee in FF. I hd to go back to 3.0.0.13 to get the full functionality . I found an extension called "vacumn places improved" which sped firefox up to chromes speed. unbelievable. I wis I had found that addon years ago. Firefox is finally Firefox!
- earl wallace
from twhirl
For those looking for extensions and user scripts - http://www.chromeplugins.org/google...
- Kenton
COOL! So if I need an extension that downloads YouTube videos or blocks ads, Chrome is the one to beat. Wish other browsers had that power! /sarcasm
- Paul Puri
Chrome isn't for everyone, but there are lots of people who don't need extensions at all. But if you follow Kenton's link, it looks like you will be able to block ads and download Flash videos.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul there are probably thousands of plugin for Firefox that you'd think were pretty useless too. The main criticism of Chrome has been that it didn't have plugin support. Now it does and if the plugins do what you want great. If not, you'll have to use another browser.
- Kenton
Hmm. Still like Firefox better. Also can't figure out that Adblock extension, it doesn't seem to offer any way to subscribe to the filter lists. And it's danged hard to do CSS development without the WebDeveloper and DOM Inspector extensions. What I really want is Firefox's interface with the Chrome javascript engine. I don't care for the overly simplistic nature of the Chrome interface, and the process separation is annoying as heck to me (makes it suck up memory like a sponge).
- Otto
@Otto - I'm happy for you, and Ima let you finish, but CHROME IS THE GREATEST BROWSER OF ALL TIME.
- Tomy Thomson
@Kenton don't let my rapist wit fool you. I love Chrome. If you just relish speed, it's great. But it is just a browser. Not a very effective tool for my arsenal.
- Paul Puri
LOL @ "rapist wit".
- Otto
Mama mia Robert, Chrome is fast now.
- Bob DeMarco
GM to Gradually Remove Company Logo From Vehicles - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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"General Motors Co. plans to cease putting its corporate "GM" logo on the side of its vehicles in the coming model years following decision by the company's management team to put more emphasis on individual brands instead of the parent company. GM spokesman Terry Rhadigan said the decision to remove the logo – known as the GM "Mark of Excellence" – was made earlier in the month by GM's newly-formed executive committee. Mr. Rhadigan said the logos will be "gradually" phased out starting in the 2010 model year. The auto maker earlier in the year filed bankruptcy protection and emerged quickly thanks to a $50 billion funding commitment from the U.S. government. GM has in the past year decided to sell or kill four of the eight brands, including Hummer, Pontiac, Saab and Saturn. The remaining brands are Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC. The strategy to more acutely focus marketing efforts on individual vehicle brands, while deemphasizing their connection to GM, is being spearheaded by...
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- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I always thought the little GM badge took away from the individual brands. It especially looked ugly on the Corvette. It was like GM saying that badge was more important than the work done to build a car that looked visually pleasing.
- Al Stevens
I totally agree Al. I never understood why they made that move, it seemed like they assumed people wouldn't buy a vehicle unless it was made by GM.
- Kenton
I still don't understand GM's reasons for keeping the brands it did. Cadillac (luxury) and Chevy (mass mkt. economy) I get. But why Buick over Pontiac? Would have made more sense to turn Pontiac into a real performance brand. Buick is synonymous with "stodgy" and near-luxury models could be sold under the Caddy umbrella. Or they could have kept Saturn and made that their small car brand. In short, GM continues to suck.
- Kevin Pedraja
Buick is apparently huge in China.
- Richard Lawler
So the biggest, most important strategic business decision made by the newly formed (and presumably well-compensated) General Motors executive committee is to remove the GM logo from the sides of its vehicles. Not only that, because this isn't the sort of thing one rushes into, the logo removal will be phased in "gradually" beginning in the 2010 model year. What's the ballpark figure on how much it cost the executive committee to obtain MBA degrees?
- Baffled
@Kevin Have you ever been to a retirement community in Florida? Tan Buicks everywhere.
- Matt
Matt, that's exactly my point. How often do old people buy cars? It's not a huge market and keeping an entire division devoted to selling to them dilutes the overall brand. And if Buicks sell well in China, great, but they could easily keep the brand alive there by just re-badging cars from another division.
- Kevin Pedraja
Kevin, my comment was sort of tongue in cheek. I agree that the Buick nameplate is pretty much worthless, but I would argue that it is probably more valuable than Pontiac. Buick at least has a niche market. Pontiac has been foundering for years, unsuccessfully trying to reinvent its image with crummy new models. I honestly don't know why anyone would seriously consider buying a Pontiac. I get why old people like Buicks (they're big and you can strap a Rascal to the bumper).
- Matt
As for Saturn, there's just too much overlap with Chevy models at similar price points. Frankly I think it would have made sense to just keep Chevy (mass mkt), Cadillac (luxury), and GMC (trucks/SUVs), unless the Chinese market is really that huge a deal as one commenter already pointed out.
- Matt
@didic Engadget was reporting $799.
That's a lot of money for a netbook!
- Al Stevens
Then it's not going to suceed. Even co-branded it seems unlikely the price would drop to the ~$250 price point it would need, and that's not counting your monthly service.
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Katie Holmes to Appear on So You Think You Can Dance? - http://television.gearlive.com/tvenvy...
Spare us.
- Al Stevens
Is the show changing to "So You Think You Can Act?"
- jamar78
First tweet from TweetDeck for iPhone. How is this app FREE? this rocks!
I'm really excited to finally get it for my phone. It's all I use on my laptop.
- Al Stevens
The Friendfeed gadget works in Gmail!
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whao sweet!
- Zach Landes
I know. I am commenting on this from Gmail!
- Steve Rubel
I don't know if a could deal with that tiny width, but it's cool nonetheless. ;)
- Brandon
Cool - how did you do that?
- Nick Reynolds
Thanks
- Nick Reynolds
Lovely!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
should the url: http://friendfeed.com/embed... :)
- Hobbes
I have successfully added
- Hobbes
uh oh, perhaps disturbing is a better description
- jerobins
I can't find the page,it shows nothing when I open it up.
- Steve Chou
But..how use this xml?
- enrico
The links are not working anymore - just gives me a blank page?
- Oyvind Solstad
How do I do this?
- David Cook
Is there a real-time gadget?
- Rolf Schewe
You need to go to Gmail | Settings | Labs | Add any gadget by URL | Enable
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
i'm using it from months. It's really useful
- Daniele Di Gregorio
Added! Thanks
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
I wish I could add this gadget, but when I enable the Gadgets from any URL thing in Labs, I don't see the form to enter the URL under the Gadgets tab. Apparently several people have this problem (went to the Google Groups to add feedback that it's not working correctly), and no one has offered up any solution. :( Sucks!
- Cheryl Jones
Finally get the idea,it is cool though,but not very practical.
- Steve Chou
The URL tab is added to your settings area, not the Labs area. That was confusing for me.
- Yolanda
That is so cool! For me, the only problem is the width which is not appropriate but it works fine
- Rémi Fayolle
@Yolanda: I know. The description for the Labs item that you enable says that a Gadgets tab will be enabled on the Settings page, but clicking on that Gadgets tab doesn't show the form where you can enter the URL like it's supposed to. Bah.
- Cheryl Jones
@cheryljones I'm having the same problem too. I just get a blank page on the gadgets tab. Let me know if you figure out how to import.
- Al Stevens
@Al: Just for fun I went back to the Gadget tab in my Gmail settings, and the URL form box is there now. Just added the FriendFeed gadget to Gmail, yay!
- Cheryl Jones
Hmmm. The FF gadget is less useful than I thought. First of all, there doesn't seem to be a way to manually refresh it without refreshing Gmail as a whole (perhaps I'm too impatient waiting for updates). Also you can't post an original post through the gadget. And the number of FF updates shown by the gadget is limited. I thought I'd be able to see older posts. Oh well, it might be good for occasional use.
- Cheryl Jones
Nice, but wish the tabs in Gmail had replacing options..
- Reza
It's not enough wide for me.
- Smeerch
A while ago it stopped refreshing properly so I stopped using it.
- Cheryl Jones
do not challenge the gate! - http://juliasegal.tumblr.com/post...
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I bet someone challenged the gate.
- D. Eda Goze
I repeat....DO NOT challenge the gate.
- Al Stevens
All seeing all knowing Gate
- Brent - Long Live Rock
Instead, you should address the gate. "Hello, Gate."
- Mr. Buhhhhhhrns
First Video Footage From V Gives Great Big Alien Head - http://io9.com/5261386...
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i am really looking forward to seeing this. was a fan of the original
- (jeff)isageek
This looks more awesome than thought it was going to be.
- Andy Bakun
Never saw the original, but this looks pretty bad ass.
- Jon Ursenbach
andy agreed.
- (jeff)isageek
Trailer was released. http://videogum.com/archive...
- Jon Ursenbach
It's going to be hard to top the original, especially with its hokey special effects.
- Al Stevens
As FriendFeed can send "shameless self-promotion" in your feed, this hints how future ads could be inserted. Have you seen this?
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Just saw this, interesting development.
- Erik Magraken
The only thing would be to let us comment on it :D
- Johnny Worthington
Yes it just did, and see people are already talking...these form of ads will be more interactive on FF
- Asankhaya Sharma
Hide is the only option. I can't even like it.
- Louis Gray
this is right above your post in my home feed - interesting
- Nathan Chase
Nathan, we operate in real time.
- Louis Gray
Neat. But agree we'd love to comment.
- Paola Bonomo
it is too bad we can't like it, or comment on it - interactive ads might not be a bad idea
- Nathan Chase
@Louis - right!
- Nathan Chase
If it were an ad, would the tendency be to provide negative feedback? Should it be one giant conversation FriendFeed wide? Should you only see comments from your friends?
- Louis Gray
Louis, you're slacking :P http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
ditto about comments, seemed strange not being able to...even if I wasn't going to
- Rick Bucich
Good work, Mike. :)
- Louis Gray
I like that you can't comment or like it. Otherwise, it'd keep getting bumped up. I'm not sure we'd want ads to keep being bumped up.
- Rochelle
haha - "Your news is 4 minutes old. FAIL!" :)
- Nathan Chase
What if the ad permanently held the third position from the top in your stream, Rochelle?
- Louis Gray
just saw it.
- Laura Norvig
Pff, beat ya Slayer :) Though didn't include a pic, Mo Fail!
- Mo Kargas
It's not a terrible idea for monetization - if you don't like the ad, just Hide it.
- Nathan Chase
Bleh.
- Derrick
Louis, for how long? If an ad stayed there forever, I'd have a problem with that. I'd want a premium/paid membership to get rid of it.
- Rochelle
@Nathan, can you do 'hide all like this' Or is that something we may end up paying for? Hmm
- Mo Kargas
I don't know, Rochelle. I'm not in charge. :)
- Louis Gray
@Rochelle - some ads people want to see. Super Bowl commericals for example.
- Nathan Chase
It's a great idea and you can hide them.
- Michael Fidler
Nathan, if people want to see the ads on FriendFeed, then they can opt to not pay for a premium membership and can see all of the ads. :)
- Rochelle
I have no problem with this, it's the slickest implementation of ads I think I've ever seen (besides Google AdWords), as long as they stay away from ad companies that don't screen their ads and through popups and malware on everyone's computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Borrowed from Facebook "sponsored stories." Turnabout is fair play
- Christian Anderson
I understand this is the direction Facebook is taking also
- Michael Fidler
The potential of this just prepares me to yearn for a paid option.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah. I could see FriendFeed power users paying to keep the ads off as a premium service. Although some people might just leave FriendFeed entirely - or some enterprisiing Greasemonkey/Stylish hacker would discover a way to hide them all via scripting
- Nathan Chase
I wonder what sort of targeting will they use for ads within feeds, when someone is bashing twitter it may seem a good time to show ad for a competitive service (say ff)
- Asankhaya Sharma
The new logon has been very successful so far. This just ensures that more people will see it. They should feature this on every individual item/post page when someone views it who's not logged in
- Michael Fidler
It is really strange not to be able to like or comment on it, but now that it shows up on the subscription management page, I guess it's really just more along the lines of an alert. I *do* like it, and the timing is sure 'nuff good.
- Kathy Fitch
They probably don't want people to comment on it because most of the comments would be complaints (not now, maybe, but later).
- Her Lindsay-ness
True, Lindsay--but all the more reason to let 'er rip, I always think. Never know what ideas will be gleaned. Anyway, I'm sure they knew we'd discuss and examine elsewhere.
- Kathy Fitch
Confirmed. http://ff.im/2Qb7k
- Jay Cuthrell
They should add 'like' to ads if this is the monetisation strategy. Similar to the way you can up vote ads in reddit. Hide counts as a down vote
- Glenn Slaven
Nice--very nice--it updates. Keeps tabs on new twitter friends not yet added here. Handy. (But yes, of course, an ad could be pushed in just the same way. One of the perks/temptations of being the one with the keys to the system. Can't deny it's efficient for bulletins, though.)
- Kathy Fitch
Jay, what are you saying is "confirmed"?
- Rochelle
it had a hide option...I hid it. :)
- dafire
Also had the permalink so the feature could easily be located for future reference.
- Kathy Fitch
I don't mind the unit per se, but not being able to comment on it seems antithetical to what FriendFeed has been working towards. And ... wouldn't you want a Like or Share option too?
- AJ Kohn
Thanks to your post (and all the similar ones) it's becoming part of a viral self-promotion campaign :-)
- gib
The disturbing thing to me would be if future ads were very sticky, and also from unscrupulous advertisers. (like the ones on Facebook) - Sitcky: I just don't have the screen realestate to spare for ad space like that ad had. Evil advertisers on Facebook: the damn IQ quizzes and Make Money Fast Online crap. I see enough on Facebook and twitter of all that. Liking ads is key. Commenting would be even better.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
ON another Note: I WOULD like to see Important FriendFeed announcements take this format: Planned outages, Known feed issues (i.e. AOL mail not going, Faceook status not importing, Twitter link down etc). And These should be sticky until acknowledged.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I wouldn't consider this a "shameless ad". It is informative and helps one to use the product better. I benefited from it.
- Roebot
I saw it when it happened. At least they labeled it appropriately.
- Martha
Yeah. Hid it immediately. Hrmph.
- Ladybug Heather
I just added 128 more Twitter friends to my Twitter Clone list. They just keep coming!
- Louis Gray
With like, commenting and clickthroughs, you can compute relevancy of the ad and use that to improve targeting. Furthermore, provide "feeds" for discussing products and services that are in the ads. This has so much potential. In fact, let me search for ads and create a new category of ads called "coupons"!
- Peng-Toh
Just saw this,is this FF's ad business model?
- Steve Chou
At least these guys have a potential business model! I won't mind *a few* such "shameless self promotions" or ads per day.
- Vijay
it's much too early still for FriendFeed to advertise, but probably in the end offering an ad free paid account and a free ad supported account make sense.
- Thomas Hawk
Saw this yesterday. I don't mind it but I think Thomas' idea is the best option.
- Al Stevens
@Nathan Chase I put this out on day zero of this new entry type http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...)
- Josh Haley
Mission Bicycle Opening Store In San Francisco Featuring Customized Fixed Gear Bikes - http://laughingsquid.com/mission...
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Why would you want a fixed-gear bike in SF of all places? I still don't understand this trend.
- Jasmin Patry
I was just about to ask that Jasmin. Instead, I'll just say OW.
- cecily
Fixies are way too hardcore for me. Still, pretty sweet...
- Matt Griffin
Ain't fashion grand?
- Parody
I converted an old frame. I stick to my much better Italian one with Japanese gears.
- Jonas Rudofsky
Jasmin - I agree. I'd think San Francisco would be the last place you'd want a fixed-gear bike.
- Al Stevens
Messenger fashion. Stand and balance easily at an intersection. Still, SF? Yikes!
- Eddie Breen
I'll be glad when internally geared hubs become popular again. I'm way ahead of the trend there.
- Jon Winters
San Francisco is super easy to get around on a bike. As long as you don't live on a hill that is.
- Eddie Codel
I'll stick to BMX bikes ; )
- Kurt Schmidt
I just got my first fixie, without brakes, yesterday and have already ridden it ~25 miles. Holy crap my legs are on FIRE. I've already learned to skid stop but I'm planning to add a front brake tomorrow to reduce my likelihood of being creamed by a bus. I couldn't care less about the trendiness, although I do appreciate the simplicity of their looks (and the shed weight doesn't hurt...
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- John Reynolds
I want one sooooo badly. This blue one is gorgeous, too. If I go to Oxford this fall, I think ima get one.
- Zach Landes
Fixies are soooo last year. The new cool is going to be fillet brazed Huffy's
- Jeff V
Is This Why Twitter Changed Its Replies Policy? http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Our speculation on what the technical issues are.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
One of my suspicious suppositions was that they are trying to drive their Suggested Users feature as the primary source for new people to follow which they would monetize if they haven't already. I like the Facebook-like "people you follow also follow these people" idea you suggest. But honestly, is Twitter valuable enough to enough people yet to offer a premium paid service?
- Gregg Scott
good stuff. Venturebeat offers this slant...and variation on the theme http://venturebeat.com/2009...
- paisano
Can't see that as a big money-maker. Few of us used the all-replies feature. I'm wondering if Twitter doesn't get it's own service now.
- phil baumann
very nice post. i'd tweet it... if i could.
- jeneane sessum
phil: agreed. Gregg: what you wrote is almost identical to what I think and have described today over a series of tweets (not tubes ;)).
- Vlad Bobleanta
Very good post. Insightful but I think we should just blame Oprah.
- Al Stevens
Left a long, long comment. I guess this issue has me worked up.
- Liz
TheStar.com | Movies | Star Trek vanquishes Star Wars - http://www.thestar.com/article...
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"But what's more interesting for long-time sci-fi fans is that, at this moment, Star Trek is absolutely, most definitely, cooler than Star Wars."
- Rui Pereira
from Bookmarklet
I don't think I can ever concede that Star Trek is cooler than Star Wars...my DNA just won't allow it!
- Carlton Hackett
Always Has Been.
- Leo Laporte
Its ok Carlton, Trekkies forgive you
- Brent - Long Live Rock
There is nothing 'cool' about sci fi fandom. If you are a fan of either I.P., you are geekish. Might as well accept the idea. Now, having said that, Star Trek is nothing but the red-headed stepchild of Star Wars.
- Fleagle
Stepchild with a time machine. I'm sure the Trek predates the Wars. Besides, comparing the two in any way is like comparing, oh, I dunno, 2001 with, er, Space:1999. Well, not quite, but you get my point.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Star Trek is, or at least was, science fiction and Star Wars has always been Space Opera, basically an adventure serial in space. They're completely different and absolutely lovely. And the Star Wars prequels are good movies. There, I said it. Now no one will take me seriously.
- Henrik
Total bait title. I agree though. Trek has always been meatier than Wars
- Mo Kargas
I'm pretty sure Star Wars isn't science fact (unless that galaxy far, far away really did exist), so yes, it's very much science fiction.
- Fleagle
saw the movie to day in georgia realy liked it
- daveccorey
@Henrik- that's exactly how I feel about them. Star Trek is like the CSI version of Sci-Fi, while Star Wars is like the Law & Order of Sci-Fi/Space Opera. They're appealing for different reasons, one cerebral and one adrenal.
- Carlton Hackett
"There is nothing 'cool' about sci fi fandom. If you are a fan of either I.P., you are geekish. Might as well accept the idea." That's one of the most failed attempts at insulting a group I've heard in a while. Geek IS the new Cool. If you're not a geek these days, you're not very cool. And you can't be a real geek unless you have at least SOME affinity for science fiction. The heyday of geeks being the under-class is over. At least for anyone past high-school.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Geeks shall inherit the earth. They laughed at us for computers, IM, mobile tech...WHO'S LAUGHING NOW! Geeks are the ones to follow for the latest anything.
- Mo Kargas
++++LINDSAY!!!
- Carlton Hackett
Deep Space Nine. That is all.
- Bwana ☠
I am a fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars, and found this to be a far superior "prequel" film. Unlike the Star Wars prequels, Star Trek actually took the time to make a nod to its predecessor by including Leonard Nimoy as the "future Spock".
- Thomas Ward
I don't even like scifi movies and I thought Star Trek was terrific. Definitely has potential for future films too.
- Al Stevens
Putting Off Important Surgery - http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp...
Dr. David Ott of Arizona Orthopaedic Associates talks with FOX 10's Keith Yaskin about why some patients may elect to put off surgery during these hard economic times.
- Al Stevens
FF, Twitter and FB, all real time flowing 'rivers of news'. We need more anchors (PAUSE button) to slow it down and make sense of it. We need dams and distributary rivers to redirect (filters and lists) and then maps and compasses to make sense of it (Analysis and Research)
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Yes, we are not capable of any real and meaningful analysis at this speed. My question again: What is this teaching us about ourselves?
- Melanie Reed
More like a surprise Tsunami than a river at this moment!
- Josh
@Melanie we are hyper-active and new/information hungry. However would you miss much if you walked away for a day and came back looked at lists, rooms. I think i will be using private feeds as well
- Damian Holmes
can you share lists and filters? I would love to take a look at those who people have created and are effective. Unless you are doing a research project and are filtering on a particular topic, you need to put some serious thought into grouping and filtering. I've had the same challenge in TweetDeck
- Lou Paglia
Filters, filters, filters. :) And eventually things like APML or personal preferences.
- Mike Reynolds
Sadly the filters don't screen out stuff though, they behave more like search on keywords
- Sally Church
Oh, and more internet jargon, realtime2.0, micro-commenting, anchors, maps compases fart fart fart
- Will Higgins™
If they don't fix this soon they're going to drive away a lot of users that already thought it was too complicated.
- Jesse Stay
I'd definitely like a pause button. Don't mind the flow but if it's a long post I need a couple of seconds...
- Al Stevens
absolutely agree. I appreciate the flow of information but to manage, it's critical to have the right tools.
- Dave Graham
That pause button should float down the page with the stream. Agree it is needed...
- Alan Edgett
I don't care about the news that talks about them. I need results from them.
- charles
This is why http://plurk.com/n2teach... Plurk is such a great alternative. You don't lose the thread. We often comment days or weeks later.
- samccoy
Plurk has the great threaded feature but lacks the network. If the people aren't there, then the conversations aren't either. Sad reality.
- Ken Burbary
I like the word "squelch" a lot better. (found this thread via "Best of day"... i.e. Talk Soup for FriendFeed)
- Jay Cuthrell
But what about, like, such as, the children in Africa, who don't have maps?
- Mr. Gunn
yeah, PAUSE button is good idea... when play monitter.com, can use such button.
- stanchu
there is a pause button on friendfeed beta as well as the very sophisticated filter
- foxmachia {山石}
Sounds like nostalgia for mass media. Is this revolution circular?
- John Sumser
We need to take on smaller rivers and build from there. Not everyone is ready for the Mississippi...
- Bwana ☠
So who's planning on leaving FriendFeed, assuming this is more or less the way it's going to be after beta?
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I'm staying, more or less.
- Daniel Schildt
No plans on leaving
- Herb Hernandez
I'm not leaving. Where else would I go? Facebook? ROFL
- Alex Scoble
I plan on staying and complaining everyday because that's how things get done.
- James Ferguson
Ouch… FB isn't option.
- Daniel Schildt
That's it James: work it from the inside!
- Mark Trapp
I plan to leave in a dramatic fashion and then come back a couple of days later with a new account.
- Alan Simpson
I don't think anyone would leave directly because of the UI, but if it decreases interaction of a wide number of users that could suppress other users usage and eventually lead to people leaving.
- RAPatton
Well the whole point of being is Beta is to fine-tune and make improvements. If there are features that will cause folks to leave en masse, I think the FF team will fix it
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I'm pretty much out. It's been dying for awhile and this is just the last thing. I'll find better things to do with my time.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
why would we leave?
- Rob Sellen :o)
staying for shore
- andy brudtkuhl
Robert: I think it's too soon to tell, but what you're saying is what I'm interested in. Wondering if people already have that opinion only a few hours into the new beta.
- Mark Trapp
Why leave? I don't particularly love the realtime, but I can learn to use it better.
- Jeremy Brooks
It's growing on me more and more so no chance I will leave!
- Joe Dawson
not leaving, but also not engaging more than I used to.
- Baard @ Pixum
I don't see the difference, if someone does not like the real time stream can easily use the "Paused" mode and things are more or less like they used to be. I can still use it the way I want which is the most important aspect.
- M F
and miss alll the bitchin, no way!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
This is the ONLY WAY I'm not leaving. These features are great. If Friendfeed had not come up with something like that, I would leave within the next month.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Shey: you're right, but I'm not sure how much the overall concept and principles will change. Will real-time be removed? Probably not, given that being the primary design goal of FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
this is like twitter should have been...
- Baard @ Pixum
I'll stay and hope it improves.
- Bill Sodeman
not liking the changes at all - clueless design and lacks feature functionality i liked before, maybe it just needs tweaking but if this was april 1 i'd laugh :(
- mike "glemak" dunn
Are you kidding? I'm staying.
- Al Stevens
Here forever .... Every faith they'll work both formats together
- Charlie Anzman
Staying.
- Kenton
I'm in for the long haul. At this point, there is no platform that provides the same degree of aggregation and collaboration that Friendfeed provides. Once I get used to this, I'll be even more excited about it.
- Lorin Olsen
leave? to where?
- vijay
I was in the process of leaving, anyway, I think!
- Andy DeSoto
Ridiculous... The best improvements ever... But some always bitching about new things. Evolutiion... you know, it's not for everyone.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Big difference between "bitching" and readjusting...
- Andy DeSoto
I'm staying too
- alphaxion
Here's how to really piss people off who are using the beta. Start going through really old stories on a page. Start clicking "Like" sequentially down the page. Your friends who are reading their main page will quickly tire of your irritating antics and come over and slap you. Essentially they will be unable to read anything quickly enough before content just starts jumping off the screen. It's happening to me, unintentionally. The realtime updates just knock everything down AND up unpredictably!
- Glenn Batuyong
Who..moved....mai.. CHEESE
- Bwana ☠
I hate the UI, but with AJ's neat script it's manageable. But then I enjoy Twitter anyway
- Sally Church
IMO, leaving FF = giving up on adapting to change. The FF team has today made a(nother) contribution to the realm of social media. Just take it in and enjoy, baby.
- Andrei M. Marinescu
Why leave. Change is good. This will make FF a much better experience once they've ironed out a few of the issues.
- Tsega Dinka
I'm waiting for someone to start a "I hate the new Friendfeed" group in Facebook. Ok, I'm not waiting for that group..the same as I didn't look forward to that group when Facebook made changes. The powers that be are obviously listening...appears to me anyways.
- Mike Lewis
I plan on breaking my addiction to ff now, and leaving before I ever have to look at that beta on the main site. It is completely unusable for me. If that was the way friendfeed was from the beginning, I would never have joined. Making this site more like facebook, twitter, and everything else means I no longer feel like I fit in, just like I never really fit in on those sites. I guess...
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- April Russo (app103)
No? I still have the people, no matter what form it's in. If it came down to beating two sticks together or something, I'd *still* try to use it.
- Kamilah Gill
I believe we're seeing progress, rightfully and admittedly, in beta form. The fundamental technical achievement of moving realtime ahead shouldn’t be undervalued. Some are treating FF like a car dealership confrontation, making an aggressive stance out the gate, superlatives in tow, so one will be taken seriously (squeaky wheel exploitation). My relationship with the FF company &...
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- Micah Wittman
I have no reason to leave. FF is trying new things out. It will be interesting to see the techniques folks developing for managing the river of now.
- Kevin Johnson
Definitely progress, a few minor tweaks and more profile options and the experience will be amazing!
- Joe Dawson
Not me, as much as I complain I actually like change.
- Richard A.
Relax--It's beta
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
The change is bringing me back in to FF. Differentiation from the rest.
- Mohamed J
Staying. It's only beta, after all.
- Helen Sventitsky
gotta see how gamma and delta will look like, after all ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
yeah - there is nothing like ff, aspects of this beta are useful but some parts are disappointing, the nice thing about the ff team is they are engaged and really want to make their user community a part of their iterative enhancements - so staying of course :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
It seems like two major negative issues are emerging - The focus on personalities rather than content is probably going to make things chattier and less content-rich. The splitting of discussion around an item seemed like a bug to be fixed, but more discussion actually happened the old way because it could take a different turn in a different place. On the positive side, DMs are nice.
- Mr. Gunn
My personal opinions are that the old more densely-packed interface was more useful. I realize they made these changes to make it more friendly for new users, but it's kinda shitting on existing users who have learned to love the firehose.
- Mr. Gunn
off to boil some rice
- Graham Steel
I havent seen the beta yet, its blocked here in the salt mine, but it sounds like it will enable my ADHD. :D
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
STAYING here to drink from the FF hose :) er koolaid!
- Susan Beebe
Definitely staying!!
- Praveen Vasudev
staying!!
- timepilot
I don't WANT to leave but I feel like I've been shown the door.
- Glen Campbell
I'm staying, but might not be so active. It's too quick for me, damn lawn kids.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Not me - I love it! but I've been using the real-time feed for some time.
- Leo Laporte
a new twitter clone, more or less... just miss the "retweet" ....ops, the "refriendfeed" option... :-)
- Luca Filigheddu
Luca: that's what "likes" are for.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to bail. Also, I'm just not enjoying automobiles, air travel, moving sidewalks, escalators, or the express checkout line at Safeway. It's all just moving too fast.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sheesh! It's still only in beta! It's not set in stone. I'm sure they'll make changes based on input. In any case, I simply turned off the real-time, and use manual refresh. For now, I'm back at the regular URL, as that's what I have in my browser shortcuts.
- Ian May
From the personal standpoint, I always used the real time feed so this doesn't change much. I did kinda like the separate mini window though. I am concerned about how this impacts room dynamics
- Deepak Singh
Leaving? Why? It's going to get better! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm already addicted so I'm not going anywhere.
- adf
Leave? NEVER! First of all, this is a pretty awesome user interface, in my opinion. Second of all, even if you don't like it, you can shout about it all you want in the FriendFeed Feedback Room and maybe somebody will hear you. After all, I shouted for a "Cancel" link next to the comment "Post" button, and I got that a while ago.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I'm staying, I have to adapt to the new circumstances, obviously. English is not my native language and I have to read a little bit faster but it doesn't matter, I like it here and I will be here for a long time...
- George The Writer
At this point in the beta, Facebook is infinitely better. I probably won't be back in the same capacity as with the older friendfeed unless things like better refresh times and a much better system for organizing subs and rooms comes about. I'm not even using the new ff right now.
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Leave? Hell no. It's a big improvement.
- Quasar
Straight. Wait, what was the question?
- Pete Delucchi
why this is checked by default?
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To swallow Twitter by flooding its community with Friendfeed juice.
- Jérôme Flipo
Liked because I see my name in the screenshot! LOL Good question - FF is promoting FF via YOUR post which go to twitter by default :)
- Susan Beebe
Evil plan to kill twitter with too much.
- CW™
I find my posts go to Twitter whether it's checked or not.
- Kevin Whalen
Can be turned off in Settings just so you know.
- Brandon Titus
well Brandon, I'd love to know how.
- Orli Yakuel
Orli - Click on the "settings" link next to "Twitter" you can turn it off in there
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Kevin - Check your account settings for Twitter publishing
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
funny it didn't opened for me before. thanks!
- Orli Yakuel
still shouldn't be by default.
- Orli Yakuel
I agree. I hate default opt-ins. Should be off until i choose to turn it on
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Okay, feeling really stupid now. Where'd they stick the publishing options? I only see profile and feed setting options. (edit) OIC, you have to click inside the text entry box.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Orli is on US time!
- Charlie Anzman
Noticed that too.
- Al Stevens
I think ff need to do more on the design of long conversation
- kang
Jeff - I had twitter publishing turned on under my account settings (current FF). It seemed those settings overrode the "unchecked" Cc box.
- Kevin Whalen
Kevin - ya, not very intuitive
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Everyone is telling me that, if I can't keep up with FF, I need to change my behavior (lists or filters or follow fewer people). If you used another service that required you to change your behavior, would you keep using it?
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For example, what if In-N-Out required you to have onions on everything, including shakes and soft drinks? Or the local gas station required a minimum purchase of 50 gallons each visit? Would you keep using them?
- Glen Campbell
My verdict on it is still out, but yeah this reaction seems puzzling to me. One of the virtues of FF before was that you could tailor your own experience. Many of those are invalidated by the new interface unless you're "doing it right".
- mikepk
The problem I have with lists and filters, it makes me *work* to get value out of the system. Now I have to figure out the value proposition, am I going to get enough value out of the system based on the amount of work I have to put into it to make it "work right". Not sure. :)
- mikepk
I don't want to filter. What would I filter it for? How do I create a filter that says, "Show me cool and interesting stuff I like, and no drivel?" Needing to use filters implies that I CANNOT use it to discover new stuff.
- Glen Campbell
excellent question, Glen, to which I have no answer yet.
- Josh Haley
Great point Glen.
- Al Stevens
I find that the new UI can be used much like the old one by using the pause button on feeds that are very noisy (like my home feed). The use of lists is an alternate strategy that allows you to follow a subset of your subscribes in real time. I personally think that defeats the purpose. Why subscribe to somebody if you put them in a list and never read their posts? But "chacun à son goût".
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, but let's admit it. "Refresh" is the _normal_ behavior on the web, not "pause"
- directeur
The default (real time) in FF is only a problem though for the group of us that are already using FF and have large active subscriber lists. I believe for new users it might make perfect sense.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, I think it's all about the "goal". There are IMHO two kind of people and needs. Those who are looking for relevant content thet _personally_ need, and those who are here for the discussions on news (the more fresh, the better). This new UI clearly advantages the second group.
- directeur
I disagree that you need to change how you work to use the new friendfeed. You just need to put it on permanent pause if you don't like the realtime feature (which I don't). I'm in the permapause camp.
- Alex Scoble
pemapause saved the day for me. If that weren't there, as much as I like FF, I probably would have stopped using it.
- ♥patricia♥
@Alex: Permapause ... I like the concept but the name creates some odd associations for me. Do I get night sweats?
- AJ Kohn
No, the real time feed is what gives you night sweats and nightmares. It's like the zombies are coming to get you and you can't read fast enough to escape.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah I'm "permapaused" too. I was merely commenting on the immediate response that "you're doing it wrong, you need to use lists and filters" which seemed like a puzzling response to the concerns of users about the speed.
- mikepk
The "you are not doing it right - do it my way or you are a schmuck" came from a couple of opinionated users though not from FriendFeed who clearly provided a way for users to use the system the same way they did before.
- Brian Sullivan
The night sweats come from "mini-pause," not "permapause."
- Ryan Kuder
every service you use asks you to change your behavior. Nonetheless, following fewer people is a completely ridiculous suggestion.
- Jim Hearts FF
I think that's silly. Twitter is still fundamentally the same: What are you doing?
- Glen Campbell
Silly, maybe. I don't know. I think this whole discussion is rather silly.
- Jim Hearts FF
Well, I learned one thing: the web is not ready for HD video. Uploading lower res versions now. Sigh.
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The only HD uploading I've done is through Vimeo, worked fine
- James
I've had the same problem - sucks
- andy brudtkuhl
Even Youtube, I thought they were HD ready?
- Matt Martin
go ! Cant wait to see the video low hight, hd ! no matter now !! :)
- Rocky
YouTube quietly pulled some of it's HD functionality
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Are you going to get Rackspace to build a backend that can handle upload/distribution of HD videon on the web? If anyone really needs it, it's you. You're always pushing tech further, and you know what's and who's on the bleeding edge of webtech.
- Sam Dodge
What went wrong? I was thinking about uploading some HD to YouTube, but now I'm wondering if that's a good idea.
- KIm Hutchinson
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, because tbh, my first thought was: YUCK. But maybe I just need to get over my initial shock.
- Sarah Perez
I would say YouTube is HD able but not ready. It takes forever to upload an SD video there.
- Aaron Hood
Sarah, I kinda feel the same way - I love the direct messages and more focus on the profile, and simpler interface, but the speed of things is too much.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, what resolution and bitrate did you use?
- mjc
I am working with a church to load up HD video. They are using Blip,tv, is this their best bet?
- Matt Martin
Matt: YouTube can only take 10 minute videos. These are longer. Michael: I'm using iMovie. I forget the settings I used now. It's in the middle of recompressing, so can't check.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: definitely one of the reasons why I like working at Rackspace is they understand how to build things that scale.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, I've always wondered: what exactly do you need to do to get into the partner program and get the 10 minute limit lifted? I'm always going over, and would love to have my videos actually all on YouTube.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
It's possible to stream Crysis in highest resolution online so why not HD? The hosting is the real issue =/
- | Balu |
Doesn't SmugMug do HD video? They're not really a video hosting site in the same vein as Youtube/Vimeo/Blip, but they seem to be able to handle it. Didn't they do well with Vincent Lafloret's Canon 5DMk2 short film?
- Sam Dodge
Sam: SmugMug can only accept 500mb files. Too small.
- Robert Scoble
I tend to use vimeo much more for Video in general and as well HD video then Youtube or anything else in that case.. But today they have an issue overtherer untill 2PM EST.
- Jaap Willem
I kept checking.. bummer! Need real time - fast Video uploads !
- Susan Beebe
Vimeo had too tight of a cap last time I looked and I didnt like their TOS.
- Robert Scoble
@ Robert: Ok, Cool enough.. Don't have an issue with their TOS. Good luck with the videos though.. Looking forward to them..
- Jaap Willem
@Robert, First bug? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- farzaam
I have been using http://motionbox.com for hosting/embedding multi-gig, hour-long, HD videos. They aren't totally free or very "social", but they don't put any limits on size or length. Still can take forever to upload and encode huge videos though.
- Daniel Sims
i was just about to say great the quality of the videos was... :(
- Zee.
i hate how YouTube shows the lower-res version and you have to click to get the HD version. do they do a bandwidth and screen resolution detection and show you the HD instead?
- Randy Ksar
Bandwidth is too expensive so YouTube will show low res version by default.
- Robert Scoble
It's not your fault. You're too cool for the Web. :)
- Louis Gray
I second Louis' comment Robert.
- Al Stevens
Didn't you mention something about 'stunning' last week Mr Scoble? Was that a red herring or did it not make the release?
- Alex Gawley
Evidently the powers that be on the Internet want to keep you a consumer and not a producer in this medium.
- John Pederson
Any backup evidence here as to why? Or just drawing us in for discussion?
- Brian Hoffman
Bandwidth is a hardware problem that won't be solved until the "average user" requires it.
- Robert Hafer
Robert, do you have a link for your video yet?
- Thomas Hawk
They will be up at http://scobleizer.blip.tv but the first one is up at http://blip.tv/file/1963023 -- four more parts to come.
- Robert Scoble
I posted my iMovie produced 720p vids to Vimeo and YouTube with no problems. Granted, they were 4:29 minutes long. :op http://bakersdog.com/blog...
- Paul Reynolds
Blip is not ready for HD :) I use Youtube for HD now
- Bwana ☠
We use YouTube for HD and HD embed all the time - but the limit to 10 minutes is still as irritating as it has always been.
- Tony
You should be able to get a 10 minute video under 500MB at 720p right? I agree Vimeo's TOS kinda are ...meh
- Bwana ☠
Maybe your service provider and not the web in general?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: I am trying all of them. They all have limits that are lame.
- Robert Scoble
flickr handles Mino hd video well...
- Anthony Farrior
I registered on friendfeed just to make this point seeing as it's one of the things we're trying to get across on http://highdefnow.com - 95% of video makers are doing it wrong. Most people use poor encoders (i.e Quicktime, which is the worst H.264 encoder on earth) that need such a ridiculously high bitrate to make the picture even remotely decent when you could use a far, far, far...
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- Kieran Kunhya
Robert -- I was not thinking of the site you were uploading to but the ISP that provides the wire and most likely limits upload bandwidth severely
- Brian Sullivan
VisualHub > *
- Bwana ☠
Robert Scoble, surely, should be a Youtube Partner (20GB limit)
- Bwana ☠
if you compress your videos well, you'll be able to upload fine - get those files down to ~100MB (a reasonable resolution .mov H.264 file) and you'll be golden.
- Mark Schoneveld
YouTube HD is a joke. @Mark, if your video is an hour, 1GB for 720P is "acceptible" with x264 and HE-AAC... you can get away with less for talking, maybe 450-500MB. the best thing you can do is use your own site with a half-decent flash player and amazon cloudfront :P
- mjc
HD on the web does NOT have to be perfect. What Youtube provides is fine in my book. Sure it's rough around the edges, but most users like the quality for what it is. It's flash for goodness sake.
- Bwana ☠
I too recently realized this... Vimeo is your best bet for uploading/viewing HD in my opinion...
- Richard Merritt
smellr scobleizer , LOL http://www.smellr.com/#
- Rocky
@Bwana - HD on the web can look excellent - it's just that Garbage In Garbage Out will apply. See the following video: It came from a 100Mbps source and thus will look excellent when compressed properly: http://www.highdefnow.com/play... - even at 700kbps, which is our "HD-like" medium quality setting it still looks ok. The problem is people upload videos at say 4000kbps with a poor...
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- Kieran Kunhya
we need more bandwidth already in america. Take a look at Tokyo's standards. It makes the ISP's in america look greedy for their upstream embargo's.
- Aaron S
That's why we decided to get cheaper SD gear for our coming video debut. Too expensive for something that's isn't easy to publish. My home cam is HD though :)
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Thanks for uploading the lower-res versions. We have pretty severe bandwidth restrictions here but I still want to watch your videos.
- Paul Jacobson
Kiieran - I agree that HD *can* look fabulous on the web, but with everyone buying Flip Mino HDs, the quality isn't going to be the best, but it'll be good enough. Just like when video first hit the web, it'll evolve as time goes on. My thing is...HD can be done on the web if you're willing to sacrifice a few things (that most people won't even notice)
- Bwana ☠
For example, Robert encountered the Achilles heel of HD web video: provider limitations. A few months ago, when I decided to go HD, I ran into the same thing. If I weren't a Youtube Partner, I'd be relying on SmugMug since Vimeo's limitations are terrible. There are other options out there that I won't go into, but everyone has limitations and we'll have to deal with that.
- Bwana ☠
So my sacrifice is to produce shorter videos and suffer through Youtube's HD quirks until something better comes along
- Bwana ☠
I agree the length limitations are an issue though they are there to combat the upload of full TV shows and movies and to make encoding time reasonable. Saying that there are filesize limitations though isn't true in this day and age (certainly for 720p its more than enough and just about enough for a good 1080p encode). It just takes some time for people to be educated in the ways of...
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- Kieran Kunhya
eagerly awaiting part 2...
- Christopher Harris
That comment alone makes me want to sign up for the forum. I'm all for ending the myth and really want more people to not be squeamish about producing HD on the web.
- Bwana ☠
Is it the bandwidth or the server hogging video conversion thats the biggest problem for providers?
- Lasse Johnsen
@Lasse For us right now it's the conversion that the biggest difficulty though that's exacerbated for us because we encode each video three times. We also use slower settings to get a better picture quality. Even using two cloud computing providers it still takes a while. Approximately 1 minute of video takes 10-20 minutes. By comparison, bandwidth is quite cheap. Once you are Google sized bandwidth becomes incredibly cheap. (private interconnects with ISPs etc.)
- Kieran Kunhya
Bitgravity? - bitgravity.com
- Citizento
Kieran, not a good first impression for highdefnow - Rejected. http://img.skitch.com/2009040...
- Bwana ☠
Yea I know. Tis a huge drag. There are lots of promises but of course there are different definitions of HD - 720 and 1440p and 1920p. 720p is ok for most video services but true broadcast quality HD is yet to be done gracefully (not to mention the long uploads with cable ... argh).
- Tom Parish
@Bwana, I'll be contacting you off-board to help diagnose this issue.
- Kieran Kunhya
Dear friendfeed: Just last night I was thinking about how short our attention span has gotten in this country and now this...I may never finish a thought again.
Anthony Citrano, Kelley, Rafa and 4 other people liked this
This is such a challenge - I'm in ! Let's all chant - "focus focus focus"
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I'm doing a better job of handling now.
- Al Stevens
This is what the new Friendfeed feels like! - http://www.tvland.com/photoga...
Matthew, Adam Cohen, Mark Krynsky and 79 other people liked this
ha ha
- MG Siegler
That is hilarious!!!
- Al Stevens
Only without the great chocolate taste!
- Al Stevens
exactly - no time to take something of the convey belt!
- Nick Halstead
I'm not a fan of automatically being on real time. talk about firehose
- Yolanda
Steve its a river with dams - just use them (searches, filters, lists, etc). Might as well as them to slow down the stock market. Welcome to the realtime web!
- timepilot
Classic - literally and figuratively. Nice...
- Christian
I can see the pies falling off the end.
- Khürt Williams
ROFL!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
If that's true, we're in luck, because chocolate is great, and that episode is a classic!
- Louis Gray
Brilliant analogy.
- Sean McBride
I am, in fact, currently stuffing Comments in my shirt.
- Ken Sheppardson
hahaah totally!! good one Steve!!
- Susan Beebe
I've had a long-term policy towards web pages that move in any way -- I avoid them like the plague. I am a text-oriented person, and I like my text to sit still, so that I can quietly contemplate it.
- Sean McBride
I agree. The new Friendfeed does not help me get information, it crushes me under the relentless pace of items that cannot be read. The old interface at least pretends to be friendly enough that I can read interesting items without rushing to catch them before they vanish.
- Shamir Katsu
Great point Shamir, the speed of the updates is devaluing the input and the quality of the content that can be found.
- Russ Jackson
Ah, how sweet and refreshing is the refresh button. Such a simple and brilliant component of any intelligent and well-designed UI.
- Sean McBride
The New FriendFeed Looks A Lot Like Twitter - http://friendfeedlinks.com/show...
Only better, more advanced and with no fail whales.
- Al Stevens
Just bought and downloaded the MLB At Bat 2009 iPhone app. $9.99 2x as much as last year.
Yeah but you get to listen to GameDay Audio. Well worth the extra money.
- Al Stevens
CNBC is interviewing AOL Founder Steve Case about Twitter now. The CNBC anchor just said, "it seems like Twitter is eclipsing Facebook now."
Mrsth, Charlie Anzman, Ho John Lee and 15 other people liked this
I'm watching that too. Love watching these guys trying to understand this.
- Al Stevens
haha, one step ahead of you. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
love seeing these comments roll in in real time.
- Thomas Hawk
In the media maybe, but not in real practice.
- Brandon Titus
With this new UI, people who can't type (like me) are going to get beat posting breaking news!
- Al Stevens
The CNBC anchor is drinking the Kool-Aide
- Jesse Stay
Eclipsing? FB is still an order of magnitude larger than Twitter, even if Twitter's growth rate is higher. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/faceboo...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Lame.
- Robert Scoble
CNBC has gone Twitter crazy for the past 3 weeks. They seem to mention it at least every 10 minutes. It's totally amazing to me though that they still only have 1,700 followers on their powerlunch account. http://twitter.com/powerlunch It's mind boggling that all of that publicity on the air from them only yields 1,700 followers. Is broadcast media dying?
- Thomas Hawk
It's not only CNBC, it's The Weather Channel and Local News
- Jorge Escobar
No. Just the wrong people watching. MSNBC's got a better chance of building a strong Twitter community than old money, conservative CNBC.
- Al Stevens
It's weird when the media covers things- then my dad pipes up with odd comments about Twitter, and he still can't handle attached files in Yahoo.
- anna sauce
He probably meant eclipsing in terms of hype, which is valid.
- Dawn
I bet you would Chris.
- Thomas Hawk
They just asked Case what comes next after Twitter. How cool would it have been if he said FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
twitter and friend feed = the web (all content/people I care about), facebook = email (friends only)
- timepilot
Your feed must be ahead of mine. Just got that question.
- Al Stevens
he is so there not to talk about Twitter, he's there to pump his online property Revolution money. But they kept bringing it back to Twitter. CNBC just used the phrase Twitermania.
- Thomas Hawk
Chris: that's sort of like when MTV actually plays music, right?
- Robert Scoble
Dawn: You're probably mostly right, but I think those guys don't really understand numbers other than ratings. And hype makes ratings, so Twitter is eclipsing Facebook. Funny
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thomas: Is broadcast media dying? I STILL don't own a TV...And never will. It's DEAD ;) The only thing needed still is to have all the TV programming available on the net at the same time as the broadcast channel, and the broadcast channels will go away. One of the main reasons people still watch is because the net is at least one day behind (i.e. Leno -something I like to watch)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah maybe network TV is still strong but CNBC literally has probably pimped their Twitter account 500 times in the last 3 weeks (I'm not kidding) and they only have 1,700 followers? That's just pathetic.
- Thomas Hawk
I think that the new Friendfeed is what twitter should have been if they did not have to constantly fight against the failed whale
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Call me Ishmael
- Bwana ☠
FriendFeed and Twitter are completely different and Twitter is still showing the fail whale ;)
- Nicholas James
I have gotten 10+ FailWhales today. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Sick of the fail whales too Robert.
- Al Stevens
Agree, new Friendfeed seems like an obvious set of features that first versions of Twitter should have had
- Alexis Bellido
Dang it - I start to read something and it's gone before I can finish ! LOL.. Actually that isn't a complaint because I'm starting to have fun - it's a challenge
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That's been my problem too. I like it, but my slow brain and poor eyesight don't.
- Al Stevens
I'm afraid FriendFeed may have focused too much on the "geek factor" - even with lists, this is too fast. Cool, but too fast for the avg Twitter or FB user.
Nicholas James, andy brudtkuhl, Hutch Carpenter and 8 other people liked this
Maybe it shouldn't try to be FB or T?
- Pat Hawks
I want a "slow it down" button, that refreshes at slower intervals if I like
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: For the moment, the "slow down" button is Filters. They don't update in real time, so you can create a filter that's just "My friends and groups" and refresh it manually. Until you get your sea legs ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I am using filters - I'm still missing information because it's moving too fast.
- Jesse Stay
try filters for topics you are interested in...
- mjc
Michael, I do that too. It's still too easy to miss information.
- Jesse Stay
I like the "geek factor"
- Wayne Sutton
Especially on a Monday morning.
- Al Stevens
Wayne, fine, then they'll only have Geeks on here - it will be another Identi.ca
- Jesse Stay
I'm sorta curious how much of the traffic this morning is people complaining how much traffic there is.
- Ken Sheppardson
Does give it the feel of a real-time chat watching the comments come flying in...kinda cool.
- Alan Edgett
Steve is planning a small Super Bowl party for 7 and already I feel over my head because I have to use my oven for the first time ever.
Tyson Key, Susan Beebe, Jonathan Greene and 2 other people liked this
What are you cooking (baking?) and am I invited? ;)
- Mona Nomura
Yeah, Steve. Where is the address and the invites?
- Louis Gray
Will there be bacon?! :) oh and beer?!
- Susan Beebe
I'll bring the fire extinguisher.
- Al Stevens
Just do hot oil - anything fried tastes good. That's what I do.
- Jesse Stay
Just finished updating my company's Facebook page. Take a look: http://www.facebook.com/pages...
That page looks great. Facebook fan pages are an interesting way to connect with a community of fans and customers.
- Todd Dewell
@Todd Thanks. Glad you like it. As more people migrate from MySpace over, I think Facebook will be a great way for most businesses to connect. Now I'm working on getting people to join me here on FriendFeed.
- Al Stevens
Nice. I need to do that too.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
NYT soc net reaches 100k users - impressive. http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008...
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I find myself using it a lot. I've imported the feed into FriendFeed as well.
- Al Stevens
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