The made to stick guys, heath bros, talking about how behavior is more heavily influence by situation versus character is a big learning as well.
- Tony
Many times I felt challenged in the area of discipline and it's positive effect on leadership.
- Amanda Sims
WORD on that. self leadership challenges were big - even now bill is ending with self leadership challenges
- Tony
and why weren't we talking on here the whole time?
- Tony
I recently switched from NetNewsWire to Google Reader.. It's nice to not worry about syncing.
- Mark Robinson
from Nambu
I Had been on a microsoft Office fast for the past 4 months, I only use online Apps like Evernote, and Google Docs, FluidApp has revolutionized all of that even More! I now Just have Google Docs on my desktop, along with GETDROPBOX.COM for my Online storage (2gigs free!) Seriously I am doing more and more ministry in "the cloud"
- Ryan Smith
i use evernote to "scan" documents i need at work that are already in "paper" form. beats me running to the xerox machine and scanning them via email to my comp. plus i can email them straight from my phone. just emailed my boss the staff cellphone list today that he couldn't find but was sitting in my evernote app.
- Tyler Gillies
I use google docs, friendfeed and evernote. Currently trying to figure out how to best use Tumblr.
- michael mcminn
Justin, me too. I've started using gmail after outlook crashed on me one last time a couple weeks ago. My company is moving all our policies and procedures onto Google Docs. I'm considering moving from a desktop RSS reader to Google Reader, but haven't made the move yet.
- Paul Steinbrueck
or stop using an "rss reader" and import your rss feeds into a private/semi private group. i haven't opened up google reader once since i started using friendfeed heavily.
- Tyler Gillies
Yes. I love using all of those. I am enjoying Evernote more and more
- John Snyder
Wow. This is a great discussion going on here... Tyler, how do you "scan" stuff via evernote? The only app that I can find that does OCR stuff is JotNot... But it seems buggy.
- Justin Wise
A friend of mine mentioned that the new iPhone 3GS has a macro mode that really helps scanning documents up close into Evernote. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what he said. Have the 3G here.
- Gabe Taviano
Tyler- with FF as an RSS reader, what do you do to "star" items to come back to later, or send (email) items to ppl who don't use FF?
- Justin
I love Google Calendar, Remember the Milk, and Evernote!! They all sync so nicely with my BlackBerry 8900 and I don't have 50,000 little scraps of paper anymore.
- Justin
I really like the way the Orgins Project http://theoriginsproject.org/ has allowed for open conversations about missional movement. I think it would be relevant to discuss leveraging technology, social media, networking, etc. in the ministry world- evangelism, discipleship, human theory... how not to be lame :) The message (the Gospel, Truth) never changes, but our methods do. How is...
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- Ashley A Smith
Is this like a CloverSites.com for online churches?
- Justin Wise
Ashley, I think a lot about how much the relationship with Church and social media & networking has changed in the last year, and I frequently wonder what the next step will be & how we will be able to be at the forefront of it, instead of catching up to it. Thankfully there are folks who are thinking the same thing and coming up with some pretty cool stuff.
- Amanda Sims
I would love to see actual tool beta testing and collaboration- and then the sharing of that information to our social networks a good example was the logo for this group, We all have sources and resources to create some great stuff even a mini-online conference monthly with chats creating a think-tank environment for the next tech revolution in ministry
- Ryan Smith
how i run it at my church is that i take composite cable from camera into a vcr with a dv out over firewire. then plug firewire in our mac and use livestream.com to broadcast to internet.
- Tyler Gillies
Right now I am most excited about the "horizontal skills" that many organizations are using in the "flat" world of outsourcing, supply chaining, insourcing, and the social environments - and seeing how we can incorporate those into the Church culture both in America and around the world!
- Tony
Daniel: I love that - and specifically the more general definition of church online, not specifically lifechurch.tv - but how there could emerge a united "team" and environment where churches that are online band together to really be about the work of the church instead the work of a specific ministry - make sense?
- Tony
OnePrayer, different churches working together for a common purpose...
- Daniel S.
Leveling the playing field. Truly making the church universal and global, as she should be.
- Justin Wise
like: how technology is becoming a language. it is transitioning from being a place or space dominated by a few to a language the can be carried into multiple arenas by anyone/everyone
- Marc
Justin: what do you think will be some of the essential events or skills necessary to start that transiation?
- Tony
The MONUMENTAL task I see right now is bridging the gap between the digital "natives" (usually younger) to the digitally illiterate (usually older). That is going to take a lot of work and education in the next 15-20 years.
- Justin Wise
Marc: I like that as well, the commonality that technology (or flattening) continues to make possible. But until we establish habits and processes aroundit, and then use it beyond "conversation" and into "collaboration" it will still stay as a great idea or a thing to "get" but not "do". And I only mention that because I easily get stuck in the ideas and want to move into the "action" of working untied with others.
- Tony
Justin: I would say at most 5 for that. the social interaction through technology is going to continue to get more and more less a hurdle - and get more "invisible" to the point where it just works and we don't notice it until its not there.
- Tony
Tony: tell me more about 'supply chaining' part of your comment above. I'm a Product Manager for one of the Supply Chain solutions at HP, so I'm curious.
- Aaron
T: I hope so. I hope you are right! I like Marc's idea of technology as a "language" though.
- Justin Wise
Justin - I think that we just need to use technology that appeals to both age groups. For instance, web based tech for the younger and maybe cell phone tech for the older... The use of text messages by some churches has been great, and many older members have cell phones even if they are not social media savvy...thoughts?
- Robert
Robert: Perhaps a common medium can help establish a "common ground". Texting, for example, may be the pinnacle of technology for some and a starting place for others... But at least the conversation can begin there!
- Justin Wise
Aaron: in just way that Walmart has innovated to connect suppliers to the information directly in stores - so when somone buys and even a trend of buying is detected they can react to meed demand. As the church, if we can connect through online hubs, to see trneds in needs that need met, and then react to that demand through our "hubs" or local churches around the world - then we can...
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- Tony
Robet & Justin: or with apps like twitter the option to interact is both through web, third party and sms. I think we will see more social services build themselves out in a similar way that can easily integrate into the users choice of tool.
- Tony
Justin - right... Many of the members at our church do not have twitter, but they all have cell phones...
- Robert
I'm not so sure age matters as much as it once did with regard who is digitally "illiterate." I know people in their 70's who are up to speed on all of the latest stuff and people in their 20's who have never heard of Twitter or Friendfeed. It's a matter of getting people on board the digital train. Period.
- Jay Caruso
Tony - Even though many services interact with text, the question is how to get those users to sign up for the service in the first place...
- Robert
Jay: You bet. I hesitated to put an age on there (that's why I put "usually" older) because you're right–age is mattering less and less when it comes to technology... Good call.
- Justin Wise
Jay: I agree, I am less inclined anymore to just think of technology as young. For instance, on the LifeChurch.tv Fan Page 60% of our fans are 25-44. Meaning teenagers and college kids are in actrually in the 3rd and 5th spots.
- Tony
Robert: very true - i really think that the way we are socially interacting online will just become more "natural" and less of a hurdle taking effort in the future - how that happens and what people connect to, I think, looms largest on how the mobile platform is innovated upon.
- Tony
Justin - I do wholeheartedly agree with what you said about getting people to start somewhere.
- Jay Caruso
Aaron: would love your thoughts on that response & what you have learned from your experiences at HP.
- Tony
if the culture of sharing (educating) becomes part of the fabric of how learning occurs more will be apt to adopt the new
- Marc
Tony: yeah, that makes sense. thanks for elaborating. saw a similar concept this morning at donorschoose.org. Teachers publish their needs and donors can browse the needs and meet the needs with donations. Technology and the web can definitely help match up the person in need with a person, group, or church who is willing and able to meet that need. The church should definitely be leading in the business of meeting people's needs.
- Aaron
Tony - I think the mobile phone can change everything. I think it is less about the computer, and more about a device that people have with them all the time. The phone is that device! Netbooks, are helping some...
- Robert
Robert: Do you think the iPhone has that capability? I find myself wanting something of an "in-between"... iPhone is a bit too small... But a handheld device does have the ability to change it all. I think of Sam is Quantum Leap with that device he used to teleport the main guy around...
- Justin Wise
Aaron: Agreed, but I see a need for churches to stretch themselves into the horizontal skills, of finding what they really do best, and then learning to work with others as one "body." But so many places are trying to be all encompassing and be good at everything - and that sort of vertical structure will keep the sort of supply chaining that I mentioned from being established because...
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- Tony
Justin & Robert: iPhone is my netbook - and I think it is an idea device to dream about. Think of all the "meta" data it captures about an individuals actions through out the day (location, and even which way you are facing, friends, messageing, pics, video, etc.) and how that can add to the human experience. Not just computing, but social, geo, local, media- puting.
- Tony
iPhone and Blackberry is a start. My wife finally got a BB and she's thrilled with the YouVersion app as she doesn't have to carry her Bible with her on Sunday. I am seeing more and more people using their handhelds as means of staying connected. The technology is there.
- Jay Caruso
Justin - I think the iphone is almost there... in many ways I think the ipod touch could do it better because there is no monthly fee to scare adopters away, but that is a device that people do not talk about as much... I wish the screen was a little larger. I have a blackberry storm, and I have had an iphone, they could both be my netbook.
- Robert
Tony - I am with you on that! I took some pics today on my storm, sent an email with those pics to ourdoings.com and it was posted to FF with a map of where I was at...very cool indeed and the tech is there. For many, adoptions is about monthly cost and not initial cost of the device. That is why I think the touch has a great chance if it was pushed more...
- Robert
I agree that cell phones are a good place to start. I rarely use my cell phone to actually talk, it's more for texting, emailing and being able to access certain applications anywhere and I know quite a few other people young and old who are the same way.
- Kimberly Thompson
Robert: I just can't wait until the iPhone helps me socially interact. I am still intrigued by Seth Godin's idea, mention in his Web 4.0 post) about when you set the location for a meeting invite with friends.. that your phones gps know your location, it can see traffic, and know if you are going to be late and automatically send them an update of your new arrival time - and then how that can be applied exponentially to other social interactions.
- Tony
I said it once, but the iPhone is literally changing the way we live. I am so excited to see where it takes us in 5-10 years and on down the road....
- Justin Wise
Tony: im sure you read it... its an old post
- Marc
Marc - I did not think about using the touch with the MiFi... Now that is a great idea! Add skype to that, and you almost have a iphone... on Verizon...hmmm
- Robert
Robert: yep! I have skype and have used the touch with mifi for a call (just to try it out). Actually, was perfect when my blackberry battery died on the road and need to make a call. :)
- Marc
Hopefully eLearning -- lots of church people home school their kids. It'd open up a ton of opportunity for kids and parents alike.
- Patricia
Another thing I love about the technological advances we've made is that, we aren't limited to the people in our local churches to be in community with. We can find other people of faith who like the same things we like and form a community through technology. That's awesome.
- Kimberly Thompson
hey everyone thanks for the twitter invite
- givelovecoffee
Any thoughts on how to save tweets apart from Twitter. I'd like to use as a Journal or sorts...not sure what would be best
- givelovecoffee
This week it's www.babelwith.me - This opens the doors for more global communication (international lifegroups, training, collaborating, etc)
- Amanda Sims
givelovecoffee: http://twistory.net is pretty cool // i also tried to use backupmytweets, but that didnt work
- Marc
I'm excited that I am seeing more and more people interested in and participating in more "team" stuff between churches, instead of seeing the church down the road as the competition, this is super exciting to me!
- Luke DeMoss
Tony: interesting comments on 'horizontal' vs. 'vertical'. i will have to check out that book. my company is still very vertical and we don't use technology to collaborate as much as we should. keep an eye on Cisco. they have purposely flattened their organization and are actively using social business technology, video conferencing, and other technologies to collaborate more...
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- Aaron
I’m using an app called Twinbox <http://www.techhit.com/TwInbox...> . It’s an Outlook plug-in that let’s me collect my tweets in my inbox and review later w/o being on the web. Also allows me to update, retweet and respond to others. Pretty neat and thus far no issues (on Vista using Outlook 2007) DAC
- Donna A Cole
from email
Integrating Local worship experiences and technology, and leveraging technology as a medium that over-comes our divided and segmented spirituality with utilizing mobile devices in lieu of communication cards on paper, stream announcements throughout the week, deliver messages (like church online etc.) to house churches for neighborhood experiences. At the end of the next evolution technology will erase the functionality of a church "building" and bring more organic interaction to the church body (irony).
- Ryan Smith
Robert: I've been using my blackberry, but I'm switching to the iphone soon.
- Kimberly Thompson
Just the fact that older, conservative church groups are moving toward technology is exciting.
- Jim Gray
Yeah... why do I get the feeling that Twitter just became the next MySpace?
- Paul Steinbrueck
haha, well friendfeed and facebook are all about relationship and are communities based on popularity (followers or friends) like in Twitter and MySpace.
- Tony
i think twitter is to friendfeed as myspace is to facebook
- Tyler Gillies
See I hate myspace and I see facebook as more like myspace than twitter. There's so many junk apps and stuff on facebook - twitter is straightforward and simple.
- Amanda Sims
there was a time there were no apps on facebook. i remember saying these things are going to kill facebook
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler, you mean like spymaster might kill twitter? ;)
- Amanda Sims
amanda: guilty confession: i play spymaster and i have like 20 million dollars ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Tony wound's Tyler with a "re-runs of Alf" attack. #geekmaster
- Tony
I guess I see facebook as a conglomeration of all the people I've known throughout my life - though most of them I never interact with after all this time. With Twitter, I have folks with whom I interact, or from whom I gain insight or information, NOW. It's more current, for the most part, than facebook.
- Amanda Sims
i use my facebook as glorified email
- Tyler Gillies
Amanda, that's interesting. FWIW, I think Twitter is like MySpace in its spammyness. In the brief time I used MySpace I was getting spammy friend requests all the time, I now get spammy twitter follows all the time too. With facebook I rarely get a friend request fro someone I dont' know.
- Paul Steinbrueck
how awesome is this right now - seriously! love the friendfeed
- Tony
Paul: agreed - twitter's social capital is all bent on popularity, just like myspaces was. creates to much stress on relationship and invites connecting with people for all the wrong reasons. sites likeFF and Facebook arean't about personality stats, but quality of the connections made.
- Tony
nevermind figured it out. blah the conversation is faster than i can think heh
- Tyler Gillies
I've only been on FF for 10 minutes and I can already say I love the threaded discussion. Something that sets it apart from twitter and it has in common with Facebook
- Paul Steinbrueck
I guess it's all in how you see it personally too. I don't really think of Twitter as popularity - I think of it as a way I can learn from folks who may never respond to a friend request on facebook because they don't know me from Adam, but who have something to say that would add value to my experience.
- Amanda Sims
you don't need to be popular to be heard
- Tyler Gillies
sims: for sure - you don't have to do it that way. but how do you determine how valuable someone is on first look? twitter puts follower counts front and center and uses it as a main value metric. you don't see that any where on facebook, and friend feed includes more stats like comments etc. to show a focus on conversation
- Tony
Good point Tony. Sort of like a blog I guess....doesn't matter how many subscribers people have, if they never comment, lol.
- Gabe Taviano
True, Tony...that is the stat that people see first. But when I choose to follow someone it's often after either having a recommendation from someone I trust, or from looking at a person's feed to see what they've already had to say. I don't look at the numbers to decide whether to follow or not.
- Amanda Sims
I guess I'm probably unlike most twitter users in that way. I see little clusters of community even in the folks I follow on twitter.
- Amanda Sims
i think its been proven that twitter follower count is a pointless metric
- Tyler Gillies
One reason why I haven't opted for any of those "gain 1,000 followers every day for free" campaigns, lol. Doubt there will much personal interaction from those cats.
- Gabe Taviano
Love your comment Paul. Feel exactly the same way. But if Tony's here, I need to pay closer attention ;)
- Dawn Nicole Baldwin
i like that theres no "replies" you never reply to a person. always a group of people. except for DMs which are epic on friendfeed also
- Tyler Gillies
haha, this is honestly the best interaction I've had on friendfeed - but the conversation tool and social technology is amazing. direct messages & groups here are truly next level vs. all the other options out there. you can direct multiple people - i could go on and on. whether it ever gets mass adoption, the social tech being developed here is being copied and implemented around the web. brilliatn.
- Tony
Amanda, I use Facebook exclusively for family and personal friends. With twitter I follow anyone who seems interesting plus anyone who follows me. I'm trying to find a way to manage a group in TweetDeck that has everyone I follow and then remove from the group all the self-promoting follow-just-to-get-followed folks
- Paul Steinbrueck
yeah thats what i like about internet technology. even if that service dies. what it started lives on
- Tyler Gillies
didn't know you can DM multiple people. have to try that one out
- Tyler Gillies
Paul, I'm actually the opposite for FB.. primarily work stuff, twitter is friends [colleagues] & I'm totally digging the new tweetdeck w/multiple accounts
- Dawn Nicole Baldwin
what i like about friendfeed is you don't need "multiple accounts" you can just have multiple groups
- Tyler Gillies
For the first time, I think this is a tool that could do away with Twitter. That's insane. Tired here, meeting a local pastor to chat about social networking in the AM, LOL. Out like a fat kid in dodge ball!
- Gabe Taviano
Dawn, interesting how you use FB/twitter the opposite way. I am trying to find the right twitter ap. I upgraded tweetdeck this evening, added a second account, but when I tried to create a group for the second account it won't give me a list of all the people i follow with checkboxes next to them. :(
- Paul Steinbrueck
twitter = eventbox or tweetie but have seesmic desktop as well. played with tweetdeck but it is still to huge/clunky for me to like enough to use
- Tony
Right now I'm using tweetdeck for my personal twitter account and seesmic desktop for OurChurchDotCom... until I can figure out how to best manage to accounts, I have to say I prefer tweetdeck, though.
- Paul Steinbrueck
our pastor just started blogging, and he's thinking over spending a short amount of time mid-week live on the web. seems like this might be a decent place to try that out.
- Gabe Taviano
Maybe this would be good for a volunteer team chat or life group
- Amanda Sims
think it could be spectacular for both of those amanda.
- Tony
think i may test that with mine - they will miss live video - but live interaction could be cool - still processing how that would work for a real time situation
- Tony
kind of reminds me a bit of paratweet.com, live tweets sent in (but you can moderate those)
- Gabe Taviano
sorta - but also - we will see all of each others youtube, blog posts, google reader shared, etc. as points of conversation as well
- Tony
tony: make a blog post with embeded live video and below the live video embed a friendfeed topic
- Tyler Gillies
Can definitely see this being a spot for people to come after the church service / experience. Staff posting a topic for the sermon and getting feedback / questions / discussions.
- Gabe Taviano
maybe iframe the topic friendfeed page? under the live video?
- Tony
I guess this means I have link all my other stuff to friendfeed. Hm.
- Amanda Sims
OOOOH Gabe, yes, or creative programming to brainstorm ideas in real time.
- Amanda Sims
Our creative team would be thrilled to be using this to brainstorm sermon series ideas. Nice idea, Amanda!
- Gabe Taviano
Guessing this would be really nice for multi-site staff. Getting ready to ramp up Digital Disciple groups in different cities, will definitely be utilizing this.
- Gabe Taviano
Would compliment the UNLG Tony has going on as well?
- Gabe Taviano
Gabe: potentionally - I see this as being way better of an environment for out Group vs. what we have in facebook. If it could also function as the realtime place for interaction is also interesting
- Tony
yeah but I think a blog is better for that in regards to actual usuability by a majority of end users
- Tony
Groups have RSS feeds here, right? Curious if you can limit RSS feed to just post and not all of the comments. Would be nice for people to receive alert for topic, then jump over to see comments.
- Gabe Taviano
yeah - it just depends. I think for groups though - this is spectacular. not sure as a news posting environment cause it is still heavily social and based on relationships
- Tony
I agree, Tony. More for interaction than information.
- Amanda Sims
Was thinking more towards prayer requests or needs people have locally. A little confusing to think of it as a prayer center / Craigs List type app. Yikes.
- Gabe Taviano
Oh Tony...what have you got me into now? FF is going to one more thing you have corrupted me with. I am convinced that my fat fingers will not be able to keep up on my iPhone. I will have to join the ff fun tomorrow when I am awake and at the Mac.
- Sean Homan
Definitely like manna for the A.D.D. folks, important info shifting to the top - YAY, lol.
- Gabe Taviano
its ironic that watching twitter realtime on friendfeed is easier than on twitter
- Tyler Gillies